Not gonna lie, I really want to get an Umbreon so I can go Leech Seed, Aqua Ring, Toxic, and Protect, with Leftovers and Self-Sufficient. Perfect for stalling.
I feel like all the Eeveelutions have something to offer now. Leafeon in great for sun teams, Jolteon hits like a 130 Speed truck, and so on. But I think my favourite to use is Flareon. Every ER mon with Guts + Quick Feet is great.
I do think some absolutely do not need one mainly Jolteon Blizzard, Rising Voltage coverage is insane and nothing is really tanking a non resisted Rising Voltage and can one shot Jolteon back as the Pokemon that can are usually ones like Umbreon. Ground types get eaten alive by Blizzards that cant miss. Most things he said in the video although there is one thing I'd like to add on what makes this thing so strong Volt Switch. A 90 base power STAB switch move is insane and going first means that if they dont die you get a free pivot into a resist or a really bulky mon. I like pairing Jolteon with a Clodsire running the damp ability and spamming flip turn to change the opponents type to water and then going back into Jolteon killing it, rinse and repeat this combo is disgusting. Earth Power, Moonblast, Calm Mind, etc for coverage and this thing is a monster beyond belief
Espeon holds a special place in my heart as one of my first playthroughs of Elite Redux was a Psy spam team. Espeon really carried me from the Beginning till the End of the playthrough.
Dude, please make a dedicated "how to build" video on the best eeveelution possible. The whole devolving and evolving thing must have some crazy shenanigans
Stab E-Speed Choice Banded Eevee is pretty strong pre Roxanne before you can evolve it, and you can maximize Attack and HP for since e speed is priority, not needing the speed stat, and maybe putting the 6 remaining evs in spdef. This thing carried my early game hc nuzlocke
You get the gist by now: Jolteon: On paper it seems like it would have a niche as an electric type with the best possible coverage one of that type would have. In practice, it’s outdone by most of the other electrics for one reason: no ground shock. The reason why eleki, alolan raichu, raikou, etc are so strong with the ability isn’t because the can just spam electric moves and overpower ground types, tho eleki especially can do that, but more so on the fact that volt switch is free momentum, with no way of blocking it. Vaporeon: In one sentence-Will never be good as long as its rival suicune exists. Even with the permutations in potential move set variety, suicune is just always better as a defensive rain setter due to having WAY more stats as well as effectively being even bulkier due to sea guardian. Doesn’t help that the moves both want to run are extremely similar: flip turn, recovery, a method of burning opponents, etc. But what about as a regen mon? Still no. It’s WAY too frail by this game’s standards with none of the multipliers to support it. The godlike moveset only goes so far if you don’t have the stats to abuse it. You’d be better if using tapu fini as a regen water with flip turn. Flareon: On paper, it seems the Mon actually looks like it works well between guys and quick feet with much better coverage and stats. In practice…. To give it credit it likely WOULD be a good Mon… if the other physical fires didn’t have more over it. Entei with either sun supporting antics or flaming soul +beast boost antics supported by molten down and all the coverage it needs via sappy seed Hisui Arcanine with its rock head violent rush antics. Base Arcanine for its defensive utility in the form of immolate espeed, etc. Compare that to flareon, it doesn’t really get that much to compete. Espeon: Definitely is a case where it wants all of its abilities at once. Still is a decent Mon on paper, but in practice it just can’t compete with the other psychics. Umbreon: The “best” of the eeveelutions. I say best in air quotes because even then it’s VERY niche and gimmicky with its soul linker antics. While it is likely the best of the bunch due to it’s infinite coverage to support itself, the niche itself is not main stream, despite it’s on paper strength, due to the following: If you are using this thing as a response to a booster that’s gone out of control, the booster can simply…. Boost again on the endure turn. And at that point you just lose. Leafeon: Oh how the mighty have fallen. Not only did it lose feline prowess from 1.6 to 2.0. But now it effectively lost ALL of its keen edge coverage in 2.5. Granted at this point it was never finding a spot on Sun again due to all of the other options available, but this definitely didn’t help matters. Glaceon (This one is a little personal): …. This Mon is so frustratingly close to being great. Give the Mon a more defined hail focus with slush rush and white out, great. Due to the eeveelution movepool aspect it gets MUCH improved coverage, alright cool. Proceed to keep it as slow as molasses while making slush rush 1.5 instead of 2, meaning even with slush rush, it barely outruns this MUCH faster game. ….. why? Also make it to where the only power multiplier and way to fix the former issue is through it being forced into ice stab, ruining the whole fixed coverage positive and make the extra bulk that it could have mean jack shit due to being unable to utilize it. WHAT. THE. FU- That’s essentially my thought process whenever I see glaceon in the state it’s in. If they just swapped the spedef and speed stats around, that’s all it would need to actually work. But so many updates later it still hasn’t happened. Hail in general doesn’t have great abusers here, but it and mega froslass are by far the most frustrating examples of this since they both just need ONE trait to have them actually work. And they especially need it now since barrier is about to outclass them in the specific field screens department (psychic terrain is better for those strats for obvious reasons). Sylveon: After a while, redux hydra got banned for its absurd power ruining defense and powerful pixelate swifts ruining offense, especially on nasty plot sets. Upon it being banned, some players attempted to recreated its terror with Sylveon…. It didn’t work, it did not work. Sylveon isn’t nearly as strong as redux hydra. Even as a stand alone Mon it has amazing coverage, but all of its multipliers are only towards fairy stab. And even the fairy stab Isn’t all that impressive. While that’s all of the 2.2 eeveelutions 2.5 introduces 2 new pieces to this family. Mega eevee (eevee partner’s mega, tho base won’t be discussed since it is definitely not seeing use at all): Likely in contender for being the worst of the partner megas. Mainly for 2 reasons 1. It’s VERY slow, and even with fur coat, 65 hp doesn’t really help it out with having the bulk to compensate. It has a strong swift alongside nasty plot, but therein lies problem 2 2. It does not really have the strongest coverage. In particular, it has NOTHING particularly good at hitting steels in the special side and while on the physical side it’s better, since the ghost issue can be solved via scrappy, it lacks strong prio to compensate for the issue 1 that the special side has in swift. Why I say it’s a contender for the worst and not the worst outright: partner fidough. In terms of megas alone: fidough (no offense) takes the cake without question, those stats and kit are NOT worth the mega slot. But depending on what’s done with pickup, base may have the slightest niche of being pachirisu’s replacement. Of course if pickup stays banned as a whole, then yeah partner fidough has no place (again, apologies to mega fidough). Galaxy espeon: The mono champ Mon for psychic. Despite the usually broken nature of these mons, this one’s relatively tame at first glance. Feline prowess is strong alongside tinted lens is terrifying but it has 0 way of going through darks…. Then you remember it’s an eeveelution. I.E, it has endless coverage, very much including ways to ruin dark types. Ah nevermind Even with the (assumed) item limitation it may have obtaining this form, it’s just too strong and too fast to be balanced. (And if this DOESN’T have an item limitation it’s getting quickbanned, 0 questions)
Very well written comment. I agree with most of them. However I also agree that limitations are not bad when they can be remedied by other team members. For example, My Jolteon used to SHRED everything. Except Ground types. But I have 5 more Pokémon to handle that. Also I felt comparing Eeveelutions to Legendary Beasts is bad, cause you get the Eeveelutions after the second gym itself. So they ofc aren't as good. But they're good enough.
I totally agree that they get outclassed relatively quickly as the game goes on, but I find a few of them dominate in the early game where most of the other good options have been nerfed. That's not necessarily bad in a difficulty rom hack where the early game actually does demand something from you.
@@ronnieketchum1241 tbh the original three especially it’s hard not to compare them to the respective beasts They’re kits some how have so much in common that it would be the natural first case. Jolteon and Vaporeon especially have such similar kits to their respective beasts it’s nearly impossible not to compare them. Also in jolteon’s case, I’m not saying it CAN’T deal with ground types, that is very much not true due to having all the coverage in the world to beat them. But more so that the competition worries about them even less due to ground shock.
soul heart actually works differently to moxie/hubris where those abilities you need to ko a pokemon with soul heart you just need to be on the field when a Pokémon faints this doesn't mean much for singles but in doubles it means you can get boosts from your partner knocking out pokemon as well as your own pokemon fainting allowing for espeon to be a great doubles sweeper
Balance in Elite Redux can be essentially described as "everything is broken so nothing is" Every single Pokemon have three abilities you can choose from and an extra three "inmates". Effectively giving them 4 abilities at once to play with. It gives so many Pokemon a new breath of life that becomes super fun to try and see what they can do.
@@tonberry2670 This just sounds like any ability in Pokémon showdown at Walmart, But actually semi Balenced. I would have to give this game a shot sometime. (just for the eeveelutions :D)
@@jamirglaze4509I think you'll like it. There's some strong synergies you get to feel really proud of finding. I got a Skill Link, Perfectionist, Technician Perisan using Fury Swipes with a Kings Rock. It's gross. It can hard carry my mono normal team pretty well. If that sounds cool, you are going to love the game.
@@BuckysKnifeFlip got my first badge, Moxie predator sucker punch choice band Mightyena is great and favorite so far. I’m currently on my way to the 2nd badge and replaced Mightyena with houndoom. dog for a dog.
@@djdragondrawer9339 when that happens, i switch to my golisopod with coward and and x-scizor. Then I UTurn to espeon again. I though you were talking about a Dark type as the first Enemy, my bad
I used jolteon as a substitute for lanturn in my monk electric team with mostly accurate thunder blizzard coverage and baton passing speed to my already fast team. But even when I got lanturn it came back every now again like being the only reason I was able to beat the twins due to being a pure electric with trick room.
You know i really was concidering playing this but after the movepool rework in 2.5 everything cool is now gone in my eyes. Shit like leafeon has all it's keen edge coverage just burned away only leaving grass moves really
this is completely random, but does anyone knows where to get the redux darumaka? I read on reddit that it's there and I tried to find it anywhere in the game but I can't
I saw that copypasta reference on Vaporeon 🤣 Can you also eventually talk about Redux Tsareena and her Mega? I've used her and, let's just say, if you want to outspeed your opponent, she's your gal. No, but like, serioulsy, aside from, like, Regieleki, Pheromosa, or Trick Room, no one can outspeed her
The only issue with flareon is that flare blitz removes the frostbite status from itself as it attacks, meaning it doesn’t get the guts boost. So you have to use weaker moves and wait until you get raging fury or use toxic orb
This is the final v2.2 video. Coverage of v2.5 begins next 🔥
Bro please upload all legendary locations for 2.5 version 😅
@@premanshuhore only if 2.5 is officially released (maybe)
Can you make a vid on all new evolutions to older Pokémon and a vid on all new redux forms
I have a question about the galactic Espeon in v2.5: is it a mega evolution or is it a paradox pokemon that went unused like the Nimbus Infernape?
"How strong is Corm"
"Now that they can de-evolve, they get every move they want!"
Elite redux showdown: "nuh uh"
Huh?
Oh hell nah he done did the Vaporeon joke😭
Joke?
Hey at least the punchline isn't breeding lol.
Not gonna lie, I really want to get an Umbreon so I can go Leech Seed, Aqua Ring, Toxic, and Protect, with Leftovers and Self-Sufficient. Perfect for stalling.
I think strength sap is better than leech seed, since you'll already have residual healing and damage from aqua ring and toxic
I feel like all the Eeveelutions have something to offer now. Leafeon in great for sun teams, Jolteon hits like a 130 Speed truck, and so on. But I think my favourite to use is Flareon. Every ER mon with Guts + Quick Feet is great.
Really wish the Eeveelutions had megas or something, used them in 2.5 and was an little underwhelmed lol
If y'all was in the Discord, youd see what's planned 👀
@@BlazingDiancie 🗣️ tell ‘em!
I do think some absolutely do not need one mainly Jolteon
Blizzard, Rising Voltage coverage is insane and nothing is really tanking a non resisted Rising Voltage and can one shot Jolteon back as the Pokemon that can are usually ones like Umbreon. Ground types get eaten alive by Blizzards that cant miss. Most things he said in the video although there is one thing I'd like to add on what makes this thing so strong
Volt Switch. A 90 base power STAB switch move is insane and going first means that if they dont die you get a free pivot into a resist or a really bulky mon. I like pairing Jolteon with a Clodsire running the damp ability and spamming flip turn to change the opponents type to water and then going back into Jolteon killing it, rinse and repeat this combo is disgusting. Earth Power, Moonblast, Calm Mind, etc for coverage and this thing is a monster beyond belief
@@Azusashusband maybe Glaceon, Flareon and Leafeon then? Those still suck tbh
@realsalu634 yeah...
Cant wait for 2.5 content my guy
Sylveon gets fairy aura and swift which makes it a menace early on.
Hyper voice: you forgot me?
@Winter_Unit-28 I used hyper voice but most of the time having +2 priority is more useful when dealing a lot of damage.
Been using Swift on Perisan and Pyroar for my Normal run. That move had single handedly saved me a few times from a wipe. It's so good.
Espeon holds a special place in my heart as one of my first playthroughs of Elite Redux was a Psy spam team. Espeon really carried me from the Beginning till the End of the playthrough.
Dude, please make a dedicated "how to build" video on the best eeveelution possible.
The whole devolving and evolving thing must have some crazy shenanigans
Umbreon with LeechSeed MoonLight Protect and Toxic, pick Soul Link and the opponent will slap itself to death.
Im trying to make a ultra gen 2 game, and every idea i have this games has done first
Stab E-Speed Choice Banded Eevee is pretty strong pre Roxanne before you can evolve it, and you can maximize Attack and HP for since e speed is priority, not needing the speed stat, and maybe putting the 6 remaining evs in spdef.
This thing carried my early game hc nuzlocke
You get the gist by now:
Jolteon: On paper it seems like it would have a niche as an electric type with the best possible coverage one of that type would have.
In practice, it’s outdone by most of the other electrics for one reason: no ground shock. The reason why eleki, alolan raichu, raikou, etc are so strong with the ability isn’t because the can just spam electric moves and overpower ground types, tho eleki especially can do that, but more so on the fact that volt switch is free momentum, with no way of blocking it.
Vaporeon: In one sentence-Will never be good as long as its rival suicune exists. Even with the permutations in potential move set variety, suicune is just always better as a defensive rain setter due to having WAY more stats as well as effectively being even bulkier due to sea guardian. Doesn’t help that the moves both want to run are extremely similar: flip turn, recovery, a method of burning opponents, etc.
But what about as a regen mon?
Still no. It’s WAY too frail by this game’s standards with none of the multipliers to support it. The godlike moveset only goes so far if you don’t have the stats to abuse it. You’d be better if using tapu fini as a regen water with flip turn.
Flareon: On paper, it seems the Mon actually looks like it works well between guys and quick feet with much better coverage and stats.
In practice…. To give it credit it likely WOULD be a good Mon… if the other physical fires didn’t have more over it.
Entei with either sun supporting antics or flaming soul +beast boost antics supported by molten down and all the coverage it needs via sappy seed
Hisui Arcanine with its rock head violent rush antics.
Base Arcanine for its defensive utility in the form of immolate espeed, etc.
Compare that to flareon, it doesn’t really get that much to compete.
Espeon: Definitely is a case where it wants all of its abilities at once. Still is a decent Mon on paper, but in practice it just can’t compete with the other psychics.
Umbreon: The “best” of the eeveelutions. I say best in air quotes because even then it’s VERY niche and gimmicky with its soul linker antics. While it is likely the best of the bunch due to it’s infinite coverage to support itself, the niche itself is not main stream, despite it’s on paper strength, due to the following:
If you are using this thing as a response to a booster that’s gone out of control, the booster can simply…. Boost again on the endure turn. And at that point you just lose.
Leafeon: Oh how the mighty have fallen. Not only did it lose feline prowess from 1.6 to 2.0. But now it effectively lost ALL of its keen edge coverage in 2.5. Granted at this point it was never finding a spot on Sun again due to all of the other options available, but this definitely didn’t help matters.
Glaceon (This one is a little personal): …. This Mon is so frustratingly close to being great.
Give the Mon a more defined hail focus with slush rush and white out, great.
Due to the eeveelution movepool aspect it gets MUCH improved coverage, alright cool.
Proceed to keep it as slow as molasses while making slush rush 1.5 instead of 2, meaning even with slush rush, it barely outruns this MUCH faster game.
….. why?
Also make it to where the only power multiplier and way to fix the former issue is through it being forced into ice stab, ruining the whole fixed coverage positive and make the extra bulk that it could have mean jack shit due to being unable to utilize it.
WHAT. THE. FU-
That’s essentially my thought process whenever I see glaceon in the state it’s in.
If they just swapped the spedef and speed stats around, that’s all it would need to actually work. But so many updates later it still hasn’t happened. Hail in general doesn’t have great abusers here, but it and mega froslass are by far the most frustrating examples of this since they both just need ONE trait to have them actually work. And they especially need it now since barrier is about to outclass them in the specific field screens department (psychic terrain is better for those strats for obvious reasons).
Sylveon: After a while, redux hydra got banned for its absurd power ruining defense and powerful pixelate swifts ruining offense, especially on nasty plot sets. Upon it being banned, some players attempted to recreated its terror with Sylveon….
It didn’t work, it did not work.
Sylveon isn’t nearly as strong as redux hydra.
Even as a stand alone Mon it has amazing coverage, but all of its multipliers are only towards fairy stab. And even the fairy stab Isn’t all that impressive.
While that’s all of the 2.2 eeveelutions 2.5 introduces 2 new pieces to this family.
Mega eevee (eevee partner’s mega, tho base won’t be discussed since it is definitely not seeing use at all):
Likely in contender for being the worst of the partner megas. Mainly for 2 reasons
1. It’s VERY slow, and even with fur coat, 65 hp doesn’t really help it out with having the bulk to compensate. It has a strong swift alongside nasty plot, but therein lies problem 2
2. It does not really have the strongest coverage. In particular, it has NOTHING particularly good at hitting steels in the special side and while on the physical side it’s better, since the ghost issue can be solved via scrappy, it lacks strong prio to compensate for the issue 1 that the special side has in swift.
Why I say it’s a contender for the worst and not the worst outright: partner fidough. In terms of megas alone: fidough (no offense) takes the cake without question, those stats and kit are NOT worth the mega slot. But depending on what’s done with pickup, base may have the slightest niche of being pachirisu’s replacement. Of course if pickup stays banned as a whole, then yeah partner fidough has no place (again, apologies to mega fidough).
Galaxy espeon: The mono champ Mon for psychic. Despite the usually broken nature of these mons, this one’s relatively tame at first glance. Feline prowess is strong alongside tinted lens is terrifying but it has 0 way of going through darks….
Then you remember it’s an eeveelution.
I.E, it has endless coverage, very much including ways to ruin dark types.
Ah nevermind
Even with the (assumed) item limitation it may have obtaining this form, it’s just too strong and too fast to be balanced. (And if this DOESN’T have an item limitation it’s getting quickbanned, 0 questions)
Very well written comment. I agree with most of them.
However I also agree that limitations are not bad when they can be remedied by other team members.
For example, My Jolteon used to SHRED everything. Except Ground types. But I have 5 more Pokémon to handle that.
Also I felt comparing Eeveelutions to Legendary Beasts is bad, cause you get the Eeveelutions after the second gym itself. So they ofc aren't as good. But they're good enough.
Daily competitive in my comments section I’m wondering how the meta in showdown for next year
I totally agree that they get outclassed relatively quickly as the game goes on, but I find a few of them dominate in the early game where most of the other good options have been nerfed. That's not necessarily bad in a difficulty rom hack where the early game actually does demand something from you.
Unfortunately, early game would just be until brawly, pretty sure you can’t evolve them until after the first gym.
@@ronnieketchum1241 tbh the original three especially it’s hard not to compare them to the respective beasts
They’re kits some how have so much in common that it would be the natural first case. Jolteon and Vaporeon especially have such similar kits to their respective beasts it’s nearly impossible not to compare them.
Also in jolteon’s case, I’m not saying it CAN’T deal with ground types, that is very much not true due to having all the coverage in the world to beat them. But more so that the competition worries about them even less due to ground shock.
soul heart actually works differently to moxie/hubris where those abilities you need to ko a pokemon with soul heart you just need to be on the field when a Pokémon faints
this doesn't mean much for singles but in doubles it means you can get boosts from your partner knocking out pokemon as well as your own pokemon fainting allowing for espeon to be a great doubles sweeper
oh yea I forgot it does that now
I love using jolteon as a special offense plus batton pass speed boost
Sylveon honestly speaks to me
Let’s go, 2.5 stuff. :D
Never heard of Elite Redux, but I see eeveelution, I click.
Like with zero context on the actual game, all these changes sound absurdly overpowered and I love it.
Balance in Elite Redux can be essentially described as "everything is broken so nothing is"
Every single Pokemon have three abilities you can choose from and an extra three "inmates". Effectively giving them 4 abilities at once to play with.
It gives so many Pokemon a new breath of life that becomes super fun to try and see what they can do.
@@tonberry2670 This just sounds like any ability in Pokémon showdown at Walmart, But actually semi Balenced. I would have to give this game a shot sometime. (just for the eeveelutions :D)
@@jamirglaze4509I think you'll like it. There's some strong synergies you get to feel really proud of finding.
I got a Skill Link, Perfectionist, Technician Perisan using Fury Swipes with a Kings Rock. It's gross. It can hard carry my mono normal team pretty well. If that sounds cool, you are going to love the game.
@@BuckysKnifeFlip got my first badge, Moxie predator sucker punch choice band Mightyena is great and favorite so far. I’m currently on my way to the 2nd badge and replaced Mightyena with houndoom. dog for a dog.
Eevee is clearly the best Eeveelution :D
Eeveelutions are the best
Espeon carried me through a whole playthrough. CScarf, psychic terrain expanded force. Outspeeds and oneshots everything in its Path
Everything but a dark type
@@djdragondrawer9339 dazzling gleam
@sebastiaosousa5730
it's scarved
@@djdragondrawer9339 when that happens, i switch to my golisopod with coward and and x-scizor. Then I UTurn to espeon again. I though you were talking about a Dark type as the first Enemy, my bad
Umbreon is actually a beast 😂. So damn hard to kill
soul linker makes it even more annoying fr
@MegaFidough you ain't wrong 😂. Pateintly waiting on the 2.5 content bro! Can't wait!
Can you make a video about the Corn and it's evolutions?
On my first playthrough i used espeon, because it is my favourite one, but i think that jolteon is the best one
Leafeon lost flametongue diamondblade and shockingedge in the 2.5 update
the nerf update
Pls make a video on the new Sinnoh redux Starters.
That Infernape is WAY too strong.
2.5 stuff is coming
I love Umbreon
hes goated fr
I used jolteon as a substitute for lanturn in my monk electric team with mostly accurate thunder blizzard coverage and baton passing speed to my already fast team. But even when I got lanturn it came back every now again like being the only reason I was able to beat the twins due to being a pure electric with trick room.
You know i really was concidering playing this but after the movepool rework in 2.5 everything cool is now gone in my eyes. Shit like leafeon has all it's keen edge coverage just burned away only leaving grass moves really
Yea I think the losses are unfortunate. they have been getting a lot of feed back tho so changes might be made
Jolteon is probably the best eeveelution to use in elite redux
Yo I beat Kyle here!
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EEVEEEEEEEE
Where can i get slakingnite
this is completely random, but does anyone knows where to get the redux darumaka? I read on reddit that it's there and I tried to find it anywhere in the game but I can't
not available yet
@MegaFidough I see, how about weavile tho? I caught one in randomizer mode, and with a mega too, but I can't really find it in normal run
early
also started 2.5 and wow cubchoo is really good early game
They don't have mega?
eevee does now
I saw that copypasta reference on Vaporeon 🤣
Can you also eventually talk about Redux Tsareena and her Mega? I've used her and, let's just say, if you want to outspeed your opponent, she's your gal. No, but like, serioulsy, aside from, like, Regieleki, Pheromosa, or Trick Room, no one can outspeed her
How do you get 2.5 I’ve been trying to get it for hours
Updates channel in Discord
yo
yo drake
@@MegaFidough how you doing
Man someone needs to make this into an actual metagame on showdown
there is a showdown for this game
@@MegaFidoughoutside the games themselves? Like Pokémon Showdown?
@@TrafalgarLaw0012 yes
@@MegaFidough where ? How ?
@@TrafalgarLaw0012 join the discord and they should have a link. pinned in trailer video
The only issue with flareon is that flare blitz removes the frostbite status from itself as it attacks, meaning it doesn’t get the guts boost. So you have to use weaker moves and wait until you get raging fury or use toxic orb
Yea fire types with guts is tricky