All the issues that both prior Into the Pit versions had with fitting into continuity were deliberately changed in this book to better match the games' continuity. 6 dead kids in a party room? Not canon. 5 dead kids in a safe room. Canon. Jeff's Pizza makes everything a bit confusing in terms of when/where it is located? Not canon. The building was split in two so the layouts can coexist. Canon. This book also makes the whole "it's not really time travel it's a messed up pocket dimension" thing MUCH clearer, even implying that Os may have never left the pit. So, as weird as the game was, this is almost certainly telling us that neither version was ever games' canon - and that those inconsistencies with the original lore were intentional as a way to show they're different continuities.
@@cassettefuturismAndrew freed during the epilogues, before Jake gave everyone in the pit good memories. With Andrew gone he no longer truly has a connection to the world and as such fades from the memory
i see were u are comin from but what about chip and the other "hunters"? im not saying that is the canon run, but like ryetoast says in this video, they would still exist right? just wouldnt meet oswald. so how can it be a pocket dimension?
But where is the fun in that? Scotts Hobby is watching fnaf videos and than being Like: IS IT Canon or IS IT Not? Hihihi! Noone will ever know because i will never show. Imagine him saying that while jumpingvaround a fire Like Rumpelstilzchen.
15:46 tbf the game makes a point that the 6th kid is (somehow) different from the others. this is accentuated by the party hat minigame saying 6 OUT OF 5, meaning the total IS 5, but there's a 6th one somewhere
Ya it’s probably Charlie atp. I think RTTP is in the game line. That’s why Andrew’s disappearance makes sense. So ya Charlie being 6th makes sense. We also see the same thing in HW2
@EmotianalBrat Except it really doesn't since why would we need a minigame for that? Charlie is probably the only part of this franchise that's (at least almost) 100% completely solved, so dedicating another minigame to her in ITP is nonsensical
@duckman9327 bc Andrew has no significance in literally 0 confirmed games other than a book that came out 4 years ago. Clealry RTTP shows this and eveything points to Cassidy being inside GF. Even in the movie TOYSHK is inside GF. This means Scott always wants this to be the case not some rando 6th kid
The most horrifying thing about this book possibly being canon is that it would completely canonize the fact that time travel IS real in the games. Yeah that whole conversation happens in the non-canon avengers storyline but it STILL could have happened and therefore means the rules chip establishes about the ballpit are canon. Why has it come to this.
Not if it was all part of the hallucinations, something Rye did not mention here but did in the podcast, is a theory based on the fact that the pit is bottomless the first time ... and never again, implying he never actually left the pit once during the book until the very end of the canon ending (if he even did). This is backed by a few things, in the avenger's path, going to your neighbors instead of with the avengers has the house be inhabited by Chica. Why? No clue but that only makes sense if it was all a hallucination.
@@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816Which would make sense if the pit doesn't time travel but instead is the blood memory that the first book implies and the game subtly implies too. This would mean that what oswald did is basically just deal with the curse in the pit and save his dad
@@BigJohnyKuümshotd People used to depict Purple guy wearing Golden Freddy to lure/kill the kids. It was very popular up until Fnaf3. You know, back when a majority thought that Phone Guy was the killer.
I think that oswald is the sixth kid after all in the into the pit story , When he Exits the pit for the last time into the past a bunch of people run by meaning that there was probably a lot of witnesses who saw him inside of the building but never saw him leave , Meaning they would mark him up as a sixth unknown child
1. I feel like Loop Theory is our best bet tbh. Oswald hallucinating everything from the ballpit onwards and the three-star ending of the game being Jake giving him a Happiest Day is really the only thing that could put this together. 2. so do you think the pancakes were a reference to springtrap and deliah - Connie
I thought the distinction was 1983 is MCI and 1985 is the DCI. Five kids for one. Six for the other. Is there some evidence I missed that contradicts that now?
17:11 feels like it could be setting up for some future explanation of the vanni mask. remember that when cassie puts the mask on for the first time, a chip is implanted into her very similar to how the bunny ears clamp down into oswald's skull. the bunny ears also have some sort of cognitive influence on oswald, leading him to believe that he and his family are safe as rabbits, perhaps linking back to the brazil ending of ruin where cassie puts on the mask and immediately believes she and her "family" (dr. rabbit, vanny, and another iteration of the mimic in helpi) are safe on a hillside. maybe this story is supposed to set up the mimic's connection to pittrap, which would also explain how the yellow rabbit could properly assume the identity of whoever he wants (although weve never seen the mimic mimic another person to such a convincing extent before)
My hypothesis (as someone who hasn't read the book yet) about the ammount of dead children is that this book is a retelling from Oswald's PoV. As in, there are 6, but as everything else implies, the 6th one is actually a secret, and Oswald doesn't notice it's actually six, so RttP uses that information that Oswald has, which is 5 children, instead of the factual 6
I think this book is Into the Pit happening in the games timeline. So Into the Pit happens in three timelines: the games (this novel), the books (Fazbear Frights), and the book adaptation (game) - confirming that the game does not takes place in the games timeline, but it's ANOTHER timeline. That's why there are five missing kids, instead of six like the game and the short story: is Scott telling us that this is happening in the games timeline, where we know the MCI were five kids. Edit: Just realized that this would confirm that Fazbear Frights does not takes place in the games timeline. Sorry, FrightsGames people.
Agreed. Not only do ALL the other interactive novels happen in game-line but everything that’s happens in RTTP fits well with everything in the actual game line. There’s always been 5 MCI, Cassidy being cake receiver makes sense and Andrew disappearance makes sense bc really GF is the one controlling UCN. Ya everything is THIS rettelling of RTTP makes more sense that all the others. So ya it’s in continuity!! Idk why people even debate on this. You all thought it was in continuity but now it all changes that’s what pisses me off
@EmotianalBratif cassidy is the restless spirit who is controlling UCN, why is she willing to have happiest day (without being reasoned with, her own decision) in this book and fnaf 3
@ bc the happiest day didn’t actually happen. They never actually over on. That only happened in fnaf 6….and we see that her grave is covered meaning she clearly didn’t wanna move on. Either way bro she’s in GF and Andrew isn’t….. she’s also heavily implied to be TNK which makes sense bc Kelsey was always seen as a judge. It also explains the he/him pronouns. They aren’t addressing by souls but by Animatronic that is being possessed. Hey at the end of the day it’s up to u what u wanna believe. I’m not saying AndrewTOYSHK should be thrown away. The theory is still valid and u can believe what u want bc Scott clearly will never answer it!
@EmotianalBrat What I’m meaning is that it COULD happen. Whether you believe it happened or not (I do), Cassidy is willing to move on every time it could happen. This would directly go against her character assuming this is true. It’s like if Henry showed up in the next game saying “nevermind I don’t care about freeing the spirits.”
@ well her moving on is better than a character never seen before. I rather take a character more seen than some rando kid who is literally not part of GF at all
I find it really funny that the one version of Into The Pit that is likely within the game continuity, is the version that ultimately goes against everything else established by the books, and the game as well. For starters the pit seems to be actual time travel this time, not just agony affecting the real world, as in the avenger storyline, Chip actually remembers you, and even states multiple children have "pit jumped" But along with that, just as was stated here, there were only 5 missing children, and the book pretty much goes out of its way to say there is ONLY 5. Then there's also the reference to "Eleanor", which in actuality doesn't seem to actually be Eleanor. I don't think ITPLoop can even explain this either, because if the loop was meant to just be memories like the other versions, then there should still be 6 missing children, yet there isn't. Andrew (assuming he's this 6th victim) regardless of being freed or not should not be gone from the memory that is the pit. So to recap, this book if it is canon, and we have no reason to assume it isn't yet, entirely breaks Stitchline, ITPLoop, Andrew possibly existing entirely, and possibly even Tales as that is connected to Frights (though we could always say that Tales is probably being rebooted thanks to HW2 and SOTM). Return To The Pit is such a funny, funny book. It's so stupid and I love it.
14:58 can I just point out (because I’m not sure if you’re gonna cover it in this video) that chip worked at Freddy’s? (Probably the fnaf 1 location because the into the pit one closed down) because if Gabriel is his daughter and she tells us in the game (or maybe in the book as well, I haven’t read that far) that her dad worked at Freddy’s so that means chip worked at Freddy’s which is pretty huge. Also I have a bit of a theory on the leader being the yellow rabbit, what if Oswalds dad is the leader? After all, the rabbit did choose to replace his dad so why would it suddenly change? And if we think that he’s the Freddy bully, then maybe chip was the chica bully? This theory really depends on if you believe the Mike from ITP is Michael afton because then we have the entire bully set right there and it kind of makes sense that Mike moved away so he can do the stuff he’s doing about finding his father and whatnot and before you say fnaf is set in Utah not Boston only one of the Freddy’s locations is in Utah it would make sense for them to be spread around in different states. It just makes sense that Mike moves away but the other bullies stay and try to take down the yellow rabbit and form a fnaf x marvel crossover and stuff.
YES! That’s exactly what I thought! A stabbing pain like something being implanted into someone’s head is very similar to what Cassie describes in Ruin with the VANNI mask. The calming effect and pleasing feeling? Sounds a lot like the start of some kind of mind control to me; lulling the mind into a sense of comfort to make it vulnerable. Plus it’s literally a pair of bunny ears.
I have wondered if Into the pit is supposed to be a story parallel for the crying child and what he witnessed? Like, there's this weird connection my brain is drawing of a boy seeing his father replaced with the monstrous yellow rabbit.
@@josharuni547 rey said on his podcast he still thinks it’s a hallucination based on certain endings such as the one that makes an appearance at the end of the video, pretty sure it should be the podcast before this video.
I think we should step back and just take an occam’s razor approach here. If we say the main line games and the choose your own adventure books are canon (including rttp) but take into the pit (game) and the frights/tales books as fun stories that may have parallels to the games most of these issues with canon disappear. Yes it leaves a weird and not complete timeline, but it doesn’t have half the contradictions that need to be filled in as if we try and throw more pieces into the puzzle. The games have just started a new era and we should be looking forward to where they want to take it not assuming everything will be copied over from some quickly pieced together books that Scott played a moderate role in.
Speaking of book canonicity, what do you think about the theory that the Fazbear Frights books are part of the Help Wanted Fazbear Entertainment cover up? Like, they are technically "canon" in universe, but only as physical actual books, not the stories. They're basically a Freddy themed Goosebumps series meant to make light of the past and make people forget, just like Help Wanted. That's why some of the stuff in them is so ridiculously wacky and makes no sense for it to be real.
yes, but that would make everything pre help wanted non canon. witch to an extent i believe it is. something happened. something they are cobvering up. what? and how does the mimic fit in? and its likley the same with the books. the books are not covering up the mci, they are covering up whatever they are about. and then there is enough bullshit to obscure it. some are in continuity some are not.
But what about Afton? Its established that he killed the children in the books but how would the in universe writers of these books know that? Its never made clear that Afton was ever revealed to the public in the FNAF universe that he was killer, closest thing to a confirmation was a Newspaper clip FNAF stating that someone was charged and convicted but its not clear if it was Afton. I don't think it was because if RTTP being in the games is to be believed then the MCI took place in 1985 and William is still killing by 1987 meaning he wasn't the one being talked about in the Newspaper.
17:10 if you want to skip directly to the forcefur section In all seriousness though... God i dont like the avengers path. Like i think most people agreed the pit wasnt actually time travel, it was agony hallucinations or reality bending or something, for the book to come out and say "no yeah it is literally time travel, time travel is a thing that happens in this franchise and may even occur elsewhere *without* the ball pit..." This series already has so many weird things that throw doubt on what we see (illusion discs, dittophobia gas, vanni network implants, agony hallucinations, etc). This is just going to muck up discussion even more. And like, okay, sure, it may be non-canon or non-continuity or whatever, but these alternate paths have usually been what-if scenarios. Even going back to the Ennard fight from sister location, that was "Michael did not go into the secret room but if he *did,* this is what would have happened." So now if we write off the avengers path, that makes all the other alternate paths dubious. It's a no-win scenario.
I’m not sure if anyone else realize this, but I’ll go ahead and say it: return to the pit shows more evidence that Oswald’s dad is connected to Fazbear entertainment. Of course, in the game, you can find the Freddy mask that sometimes spawns when you open the attic door, which leads the some to conclude that Oswald’s dad is FreddyBro. Back to return to the pit if we are to assume that the yellow rabbit is disguising as Osswald‘s dad then Oswald‘s dad is the leader of this so-called avenger team. Which proves the point further that Oswald’s dad is more important than we realize.
Hey there! Your favorite physics lover you love to ignore with some explanations on what happens with the suit at the end of Into the Pit So this Agony, emotional energy, is electric, we know this because 1:35 am Taggart was able to test its potency between two electrodes. Electricity follows the law of attraction. Where like charges repel, and build a charge further out, and opposite charges attract, which has the higher charge taking over, with the net remaining between the two as the new charge. So let's get into it. The Week Before teaches us this energy can actually be stored over time. The Pit contains the emotional energy, not only of Golden Freddy and it's energies, but the ones Eleanor is adding into it as well. We also know that when they use this energy, it can run low. When Oswald got the suit stuck in the net, it exerted energy as it struggled to free itself. While in close proximity to the charge of Golden Freddy in the Pit, when it depleted to a certain point, the Pits charge overtook it, absorbing the charge into itself This also explains Jeff's Ending of the game ITP. As we know the charge recharges, eventually it would gain enough charge to repel itself out. This is why after a while when Jeff is checking out the Pit, it's able to revitalize and attack him. It simply recharged. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. (Syke prolly not)
I think you mean Zelda. Yugioh really did not do much with time travel in the anime. It was also directly noted that the anime and manga were separate continuities. Zelda did a timeline split similar to what into the pit has done, which could be the creation point of various followed timelines going forward.
@ sorry, if I go on a rant a bit- The reason Yu-gi-oh go rush is actually a bit about time travel because the main protagonist of Yu-gi-oh sevens (somehow) was transported back to the past! Also, in yu-gi-oh bonds beyond time, the main protagonist has to save their timeline by going back to the original two timeline (befoe theirs) I’m a nerd, I’m so sorry!
Have not read the book so maybe it says explicitly that this is wrong, but if the rabbit is the leader of the fnaf avengers, does that mean his dad was the leader of the fnaf avengers? Maybe this is why Oswald has this weird connection with Fnaf and why the rabbit was so aggressive and kidnapped the dad
An interesting thought…don’t have the book to gloss over the wording myself. And kinda goes long with only Oswald ever seeing him up until a certain point, There’s just something nagging at the back of my mind about it though and again I don’t have the book to confirm and I do Or trust links, but did chip actually see the yellow rabbit in Oswald’s house?
@@SkeldarkUmbrasI do have the book and it isn't stated anywhere that it isn't Oswald's dad. Chip also never met ozwalds dad, so wouldn't recognise him. It's entirely possible, and was my belief as soon as I read it
What we love to assume is that because the into the pit game is a game it should immediately fall into the games timeline, but that's a very bold assumption we shouldn't make. I think this book is meant to be THE definitive nail in the coffin that Frights is NOT in the games timeline, and that the game based on into the pit is a game that takes place in the frights timeline. It's also that what we experience in RTTP is mostly agony/remnant hallusinations. Every interaction we have with the yellow rabbit is supernatural. From him being the leader of the resistance to the bunny ear ending. I think the bunny ears and the party hats work the same where they ensnare you. Similar to how Eleanors pendant has control over perception, so do the hats and bunny ears. But why? Why is all of this happening? My theory is that the entire into the pit storyline, at least rttp takes place between follow me and fnaf 3. With Springtrap rotting inside the sealed off saferoom in Jeffs Pizzaria, the former FNaF 1 location as described in layout. Those memories in the pit are thay. Just memories... until williams agony affects them, him manifesting as the yellow rabbit. Being springlocked is a very agonizing feeling, after all.
It is interesting that of all the books that would get a rewritten version, it’s Into the Pit. 🤔 I’m excited to see what Escape the Pizzaplex has to offer, given it’s about Cassie within the Pizzaplex with guards roaming around the Pizzaplex. 😱🤔
I just want to take the time to point something out I don't see people taking note on. A great as a theory this is, Into the Pit can NEVER happen in the games. Why? You may ask. Well simply because in the games, the bodies of the missing children were never found! But in the book, Into the Pit, they were, there were people running and screaming. But the games have made it clear that the children were never found, ever.
Also a follow up: the only way I could see Into the Pit being canon to the games is of the time travel part doesn't exist. Amd Oswald is just have some sort of agony induced dream because Eleanor. But even then Eleanor has no tie to the games whatsoever so there for, Into the Pit can't be canon to the games.
It reminds me of one summer day in the park, I was having just a delightful picnic with my good friend Orville. And I said to him, I said, “Orville, I-I have a story,” And he said to me, “What’s the significance of the story?” I said to him “Orville, not every story has to have significance, ya know? Sometimes uhh, you know, sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy. Had a friend do it once - wasn’t pretty - we talked about it for years. And-and not only that, but, you’ll likely end up believin' something you shouldn’t believe or thinkin' something you shouldn’t think o-o-or assumin' something you shouldn’t assume, ya know? "Sometimes," I said, "a-a-a story is- is just a story, so just be quiet for one second of your life and eat your sandwich, okay?"
The rabbit ears kind of reminds me the helpy mask/vanny mask and the stabbing in your head makes me think of the occipital transponder! But that could just be a coincidence or just me reaching! Lol 😂 🐰🐇
wait, hold on, the dead kids Oswald sees CAN'T be the MCI kids, because in the cannon ending of Into the Pit is that you save them. Whether it's cannon to the books or games or both those kids have to die.
@@cassettefuturism RTTP isn't canon, it can't be since the MCI are found. But even then, isn't Cassidy described as having curly hair in other places? The silver eyes comes to mind, curly hair doesn't always mean Andrew, and Cassidy isn't exactly vengeful in this book
@@justaperson4656 Like in the Frights continuity, the pit seems to be an "agony pocket dimension" and not actual time travel, but it does somehow alter the memories of those involved The MCI were never found, the pit realm only shows it that way to represent the horror that the event caused on the population. Cassidy was only described as having curly hair in this book in specific, while TFC describes her as having long black hair.
16:05 I think what Scott is trying to say in the game is that Oswald is the sixth missing kid and the ending where he is captured and killed by the yellow rabbit and I think that Charlie is the fifth one but still possesses the puppet (it’s confusing I know but I’m working on it) and it’s a paradox. Oswald is always meant to go back to 1985, it’s a cycle. Why else would he draw the Freddy’s gang? Because he meets them every time! I also theorise that when he goes back he changes some stuff (no doubt) which is why there are so many retcons! (I know I’m fitting the retcons into the fnaf story now I really need help)
The reason why I think it is one to one with the games the mci in the games has always been 5 kids so for Scott to change that I think is a good indicator that it takes place in the games continuity
Exactly!!! Everything confirmed in this game makes it clear that it’s on continuity! There were only 5 MCI, Cassidy was alway in golden Freddy and is the receiver, Andrew doesn’t exist! 😊
Hey,heresa question, does the baby/Eleanor doll thing existing during the MCI imply in anyway shape or form that Elisabeth died before the the missing children's incident, because if so that changes thing's doesn't it.
Personally, I see this book as a deconfirmation of the Into the Pit game being canon. We can pretty safely assume by now that the interactive novels are canon to the games, but we have very little precedent for a book-adaptation-game-rpg-pointnclick-thing. That, plus all the weird details like including the stitchwraith and other book-only characters, made the canonicity of Into the Pit dubious. By pretty directly contradicting Into the Pit, and by not including a lot of the weird extra details, I think Return to the Pit is Scott's response to "Wait, is Into the Pit canon?" From now on, I'll treat Return to the Pit as canon to the games, but not the original Into the Pit story or the Into the Pit game.
I'm just waiting for the third novel "Escape the pizzaplex". I'm so hyped about that one because is a prequel to SB and the protagonist is Cassie so yeah... I'm just gonna wait here
…that’s called an artist mistake. The artist seemed to have used FNAF PLUS Freddy as reference for some reason Also Freddy doesn’t have upper teeth in the book itself
hallo might as well add, rttp confirms andrewsawthemci? Correct me if im wrong, In that book to acess the memory i think (where you give cake to the kids), You put on someones party hat? which could mean that party hat was andrew's. also another thing (credits to mac-tonight) apparently andrew wasn't originally from the mci, instead andrew used the ballpit to go there and be murdered by william (i still do think rttp is canon, but perhaps maybe its just the secret ending who tf knows) about the book having 5 kids, i dont really think it "retconned" the 6th, this is the same Memory. I've seen some people say that andrew might have escaped the memory? (or the 6th kid)
I did not expect to see RyeToast hatching out of an egg with Auld Lang Syne playing in the background today, but I guess weirder things could've happened-
I just realized the first chapter to this video is titled “preheating the oven” and I am extremely delighted- I love all the little rye toast nods (bake a theory, etc) 💛
So basically this book confirms that 1. There are only 5 kids 2. Eleanor is fully confirmed 3. Cassidy is the Happiest Day recipient (which is bull unless BV is Cassidy or its not actually *The* Happiest Day and it's like one that is just for the MCI) 4. ITP is 100% confirmed to be in 2018 which means FNAF 3 isn't in 2015 And 5. That the balloon order in Security Breach with the coloured balloons is the order for the MCI victims deconfirming the grave order in HW2.
Cassidy being the golden freddy masked kid in happiest day doesn’t mean it’s not for BV. He’s just not the “reciever” role that people assumed the golden freddy masked kid had. As Cassidy said in the logbook, the party is for him.
@@HappyFrogRender6502 There isn’t a reason for them to be different happiest days. For me, the solution here would be Shattervictim. BV’s memories are tied to the MCI, so by bringing the MCI together for happiest day, BV would go free too. We don’t visibly see him there because, well, he didn’t exist when Scott made that minigame, but his presence is felt through Scott using those fnaf 3 minigames to tie back to BV in fnaf 4. The best way I can put this is that BV isn’t the golden freddy masked kid in that minigame, he IS the minigame. He’s the memory, he’s the way that Charlie is able to free the MCI and him. By gathering the MCI together, by bringing his memories back together, she’s able to destroy his (and their) trauma and allow them all to be free.
@duckman9327 I saw this theory of both ShatterVictim and GoldenDuo being canon. Parts of The Crying Child's memories are in the original animatronics, while his soul resides in FredBear
Traditional book/series continuity: 6 kids Video game continuity, and this set of books specifically: 5 kids. So, there are 2 universes. Traditional book verse and game verse. These books are set in the game verse.
Odd thing of note, but return to the pit and into the pit both seem to reference a end of night minigame of fnaf 2, go foxy go, as if you manage to leave the room fast enough before the foxy jumpscare, you can see a darkened out sixth kid in the hallway you came from after finding the other five dead. Ironically, foxy is also reset by flashing lights, suggesting that oswald was stuffed into it during the into the pit game, as whenever the lights majorly flash he seems to lose a major portion of his memories in the ending where he gets captured. It also refernces the fact fritz was one of the last kids killed in the original incident according to help wanted 2, meaning he could have actually attempted to help save the other kids, but died in the process of doing so.
my problem with saying that Return to the Pit isn't cannon ,although it would be very in fashion for FNaF, is that it would be very strange for the same book series that out right says that one issue takes place in the game's universe, and have a future issue that seemingly has Cassie headlining it would be incredibly annoying.
Watched the video and laughed every single time you pointed out the weird details of this book it's so real 😭 Personally I agree, I think it's just a retelling meant to point us to ITPG being the canon entry
the best collective name i can think offor the interactive novels are the lorekeeper seires as they keep expanding our knowladge of the lore every time
So about the yellow rabbit being the leader of the group. Could that imply that Oswald's dad was the leader of this group? If he is in fact the Freddy mask bully, then he would definitely want to write the wrongs of his past (being his involvement in Dave Afton's death)
8:37 Oswald in fact, does not prevent the MCI. 12:02 Let's talk about the energy again and what the series says about it. It's fueled and controlled based off memories. This energy is stuck in a loop (UCN and ITP prove this) and it's the memories that are driving it. So whenever Eleanor adds new energies into the Pit, like Millie's, which we know she does from the ending of the epilogues because Millie and others are there, they see Oswald overcome, and that is what that energies memory now is. Oswald is still stuck and none of that legit happened. That's why only the boot is there. Oswald's Dad's energy isn't.
Well Oswald does kinda break the fourth wall if you play on easy mode, curious as to the point of an extra half token (as the ball pit half was already combined with the start of game half).
You forgot Halloween Kills for your Avengers Ending Mash Up. Everyone gathering to JJK Jump/Kill Michael Myers...er, The Yellow Rabbit because they are just OVER IT and it turns into a Reverse Jumping that sends the angry mob to The River Styx before their time in the absolute worst ways possible, LMFAOOO! Good ol' Occam's Razor returns for my Theory: FNAF has a MultiVerse and Oswald is like Wolverine in Deadpool and Wolverine. He's an Anchor and whatever happens to him either saves the world or ends it. That's all I'm gonna say because I'm not looking for a FNAF related migraine today! I really do ADORE the mini game where Oswald prevents the MCI. If someone like Oswald was around for The Big Bite, with Elizabeth while she snuck off to her Circus Baby caused DOOM, and if someone stronger and faster than Charlie was there, it'd be curtains for William Afton with no fire needed. He'd get the Breaking Bad Prisoner Scene treatment because nobody likes an inmate that hurts or attempts to hurt children. Afton would never escape from Gen Pop Justice! 😈😈
My hang up is the time travel idea. Like the community seems to not want it to be time travel but Scott keeps using the term time travel. I would really love Scott to come out and just say yes this is time travel or no it isn't
15:38 so, is this Charlie? The extra kid still killed by William but during a separate incident and time away from everyone else and killed by Will and not “the yellow rabbit”. But bc this is an agony pit it shows them all at the same time. Except for Return, which could be stating “no the MCI is just the 5, and Charlie is preparing happiest day” or something like that. Who knows, maybe the DCI was afton dragging the MCI’s corpses out of the suits like the sick fuck he was. God could you imagine the horror of child corpses littering the ground after 2 yrs of decay? And the fact that the killer would be essentially still saying “oh, I’m still here, I’m just busy; but don’t you dare forget me”
16:51 yeah I think all three of the interactive novels are in the games timeline but I also think the mega cat’s game is as well, I mean why are we suddenly saying that A GAME isn’t in the GAMES timeline?
Because it was created as a spin-off; if we go by the logic of "It's a game, so it has to be in the games' timeline" then you can't allocate said timeline to main series titles only, it must contain EVERY game that carries the Five Nights at Freddy's branding in some way.
I wonder if Fnaf is like Harry Potter where the timeline all hinges on if one child is killed or the other (David/Cassidy), like how Charlie had Charlie/Sammy. Idk it's something dinging in my head.
Wouldn't "The Interactive Novels" or "The Interactive Novel series" be an appropiate name for this book series? I don't think a specific name would work for this book series because unlike the previous ones, this one is a completely different book genre being a choose-your-own-adventure. The previous book series were all novels. Plus, given this book series isn't just random or original Goosebumps-esque stories or a separate take on the original timeline, it'd be hard to make up a custom title to classify all of them. But otherwise, great video!
Might be a bit of a hot take, but I don't think the "Avengers timeline" *actually* matters. It only leads to game overs. It more so tells us something that could happen (time travelling, an anti-bunny team, etc.) but certainly did not
Hey, Ryetoast, I don’t know if you’ll read this comment but I feel like it’s worth mentioning. I feel the Greek story that Gabriella tells us are more important than we thought. I’m referring the story of Theseus and the story of Hercules. The story of Theseus seems to parallel a lot with what is seemingly going on with Princess Quest. Again I don’t know if you’ll even see this comment but if you do I recommend doing a video on it as I find it too important to dismiss.
Fun fact, the 8-bit Escape ending is proven to not be canon by Jeff's Pizza still existing; unless Freddy's closed down for a reason other than the MCI, it should still be Freddy's in Oswald's time.
16:44 not to mention the 5 laps at Freddy's updates. Which makes me believe the Midnight Motorist is the discovery of the abduction of Andrew. It would make sense as trauma makes more of the emotional energy, had Andrew's dad been an alcoholic that would come home to give his son a hard time, wether it's hark him or abuse him, it'd be reason for Afton to kidnap him. However, I don't think this is a retelling. I think this is one of the loops Oswald was stuck in.
Idk if there's something I missed but doesn't it more so imply that MM is about William? The purple retro car with a Spring Bonnie antenna.... kinda implies it's William's story and not some rando (And if your rebuttal is that it's a misdirect or it implies it's a family car affected by Williams actions just don't, it sounds so ass backwards lmao)
@SammySinner6 I think connecting the two isn't a misdirection, rather an implication. Purple Guy isn't Orange Guy, but definitely connecting Afton to MM could *as easily* be referencing he's the animatronic foot prints at the window.
"No one has ever been able to kill this thing"
the thing in question: gets stuck on a safety net, can't get out and dies
To be fair, no one thought to that till now
I’d say that ending would be such a agony dream if it wasn’t for Gabrielle appearing in both endings
in the game it is shown it aint dead
@@FANE3002 It is in the 3 star ending
@@300bottles2 my point
All the issues that both prior Into the Pit versions had with fitting into continuity were deliberately changed in this book to better match the games' continuity.
6 dead kids in a party room? Not canon. 5 dead kids in a safe room. Canon.
Jeff's Pizza makes everything a bit confusing in terms of when/where it is located? Not canon. The building was split in two so the layouts can coexist. Canon.
This book also makes the whole "it's not really time travel it's a messed up pocket dimension" thing MUCH clearer, even implying that Os may have never left the pit.
So, as weird as the game was, this is almost certainly telling us that neither version was ever games' canon - and that those inconsistencies with the original lore were intentional as a way to show they're different continuities.
Oswald never left the pit because of itploop
So the game and og novel still can be canon
@@Wizardjones69 and why would the loop just randomly remove one victim from the pocket dimension thing?
@@cassettefuturismAndrew freed during the epilogues, before Jake gave everyone in the pit good memories. With Andrew gone he no longer truly has a connection to the world and as such fades from the memory
@cassettefuturism literally on the game the 6th victim is darker than the others
And oswald sees fast the scene
He didn’t saw the other body
Only 5
i see were u are comin from but what about chip and the other "hunters"? im not saying that is the canon run, but like ryetoast says in this video, they would still exist right? just wouldnt meet oswald. so how can it be a pocket dimension?
9:30 Got vibes of when Vulture said"I don't know how I got here but I think it's got something to do with Spiderman" at the end of Morbius 😭
Wait, did people actually watch Morbius?
Scott needs to just come out and say their canonicity now lol
But where is the fun in that? Scotts Hobby is watching fnaf videos and than being Like: IS IT Canon or IS IT Not? Hihihi! Noone will ever know because i will never show. Imagine him saying that while jumpingvaround a fire Like Rumpelstilzchen.
Literally. Nothing is real in canon anymore, but everything is somehow canon. It's annoying and boring
I agree to a degree. But there is a difference between a fun mystery and a frustrating mess.@niklasaigner2653
@julianbello8376 nah,that's what fnaf fans love!that's not boring🤷♂️
@niklasaigner2653it makes the debate MORE toxic if it He never responds
How many times are we going to go into this god damned pit!
Just once more my boy, just once more
Just one more and then I have to go.... Just one more AND then I have to go.... JuSt OnE MoooRe anndd thHebnmsdfilsdefg
''How many breads have you eaten in your lifetime?''
Yes now. *lassos everyone in this comment section* Tally ho!
The Eternal Ballpit.
10:00
I can’t believe we got a “Together we are FNAF” ending in a FNAF book 😭😭
"Now let's go Spring that Trap"
15:46 tbf the game makes a point that the 6th kid is (somehow) different from the others. this is accentuated by the party hat minigame saying 6 OUT OF 5, meaning the total IS 5, but there's a 6th one somewhere
Ya it’s probably Charlie atp. I think RTTP is in the game line. That’s why Andrew’s disappearance makes sense. So ya Charlie being 6th makes sense. We also see the same thing in HW2
@EmotianalBrat Except it really doesn't since why would we need a minigame for that? Charlie is probably the only part of this franchise that's (at least almost) 100% completely solved, so dedicating another minigame to her in ITP is nonsensical
@@300bottles2 I mean then who wouod it be? Maybe in frights universe it’s Andrew but we know he’s not part of the GAMELINE continuity
@EmotianalBrathow do you know that
@duckman9327 bc Andrew has no significance in literally 0 confirmed games other than a book that came out 4 years ago. Clealry RTTP shows this and eveything points to Cassidy being inside GF. Even in the movie TOYSHK is inside GF. This means Scott always wants this to be the case not some rando 6th kid
My favorite part of Into The Pit was when Jeff found his antidepressants and became happy
The most horrifying thing about this book possibly being canon is that it would completely canonize the fact that time travel IS real in the games. Yeah that whole conversation happens in the non-canon avengers storyline but it STILL could have happened and therefore means the rules chip establishes about the ballpit are canon. Why has it come to this.
Not if it was all part of the hallucinations, something Rye did not mention here but did in the podcast, is a theory based on the fact that the pit is bottomless the first time ... and never again, implying he never actually left the pit once during the book until the very end of the canon ending (if he even did). This is backed by a few things, in the avenger's path, going to your neighbors instead of with the avengers has the house be inhabited by Chica. Why? No clue but that only makes sense if it was all a hallucination.
@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816 all we can really say about this book is other than the standard fare, wtf is going on?
On one hand, FNAF of all franchices doesn't need to complicate its lore with time travel.
On the other hand, time travel is cool.
@@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816Which would make sense if the pit doesn't time travel but instead is the blood memory that the first book implies and the game subtly implies too. This would mean that what oswald did is basically just deal with the curse in the pit and save his dad
Last time I was this early, Purple Guy was called "the Golden-Freddy killer"
Man don’t kill me like William Afton 😭🤣
When was he ever called that
@@BigJohnyKuümshotd probably back when "A spare suit in the back, a yellow one" Couldn't mean Springbonnie
@@ja-vishaarangl I don't remember ANYONE calling him that even back then
@@BigJohnyKuümshotd People used to depict Purple guy wearing Golden Freddy to lure/kill the kids. It was very popular up until Fnaf3. You know, back when a majority thought that Phone Guy was the killer.
Oh no, we're going back into his pits TT
🤨📸
I think that oswald is the sixth kid after all in the into the pit story , When he
Exits the pit for the last time into the past a bunch of people run by meaning that there was probably a lot of witnesses who saw him inside of the building but never saw him leave , Meaning they would mark him up as a sixth unknown child
That's insanely funny actually and I'm stealing it
1. I feel like Loop Theory is our best bet tbh. Oswald hallucinating everything from the ballpit onwards and the three-star ending of the game being Jake giving him a Happiest Day is really the only thing that could put this together.
2. so do you think the pancakes were a reference to springtrap and deliah
- Connie
Woaaaa
I thought the distinction was 1983 is MCI and 1985 is the DCI. Five kids for one. Six for the other. Is there some evidence I missed that contradicts that now?
Just going to say: The game has so many contradictions I don't think it happens within the mainline games' timeline
@@kimberlyobrien3300That was never hinted at
@@kimberlyobrien3300 the DCI was DEFINITELY in 1987. MCI seems to be pointing towards '85
17:11 feels like it could be setting up for some future explanation of the vanni mask. remember that when cassie puts the mask on for the first time, a chip is implanted into her very similar to how the bunny ears clamp down into oswald's skull. the bunny ears also have some sort of cognitive influence on oswald, leading him to believe that he and his family are safe as rabbits, perhaps linking back to the brazil ending of ruin where cassie puts on the mask and immediately believes she and her "family" (dr. rabbit, vanny, and another iteration of the mimic in helpi) are safe on a hillside. maybe this story is supposed to set up the mimic's connection to pittrap, which would also explain how the yellow rabbit could properly assume the identity of whoever he wants (although weve never seen the mimic mimic another person to such a convincing extent before)
Probably because the springtrap ears are digging into his brain.
My hypothesis (as someone who hasn't read the book yet) about the ammount of dead children is that this book is a retelling from Oswald's PoV. As in, there are 6, but as everything else implies, the 6th one is actually a secret, and Oswald doesn't notice it's actually six, so RttP uses that information that Oswald has, which is 5 children, instead of the factual 6
1:10 don’t forget the graphic novel! That makes FOUR times this story has been told.
I think this book is Into the Pit happening in the games timeline. So Into the Pit happens in three timelines: the games (this novel), the books (Fazbear Frights), and the book adaptation (game) - confirming that the game does not takes place in the games timeline, but it's ANOTHER timeline. That's why there are five missing kids, instead of six like the game and the short story: is Scott telling us that this is happening in the games timeline, where we know the MCI were five kids.
Edit: Just realized that this would confirm that Fazbear Frights does not takes place in the games timeline. Sorry, FrightsGames people.
Agreed. Not only do ALL the other interactive novels happen in game-line but everything that’s happens in RTTP fits well with everything in the actual game line. There’s always been 5 MCI, Cassidy being cake receiver makes sense and Andrew disappearance makes sense bc really GF is the one controlling UCN. Ya everything is THIS rettelling of RTTP makes more sense that all the others. So ya it’s in continuity!! Idk why people even debate on this. You all thought it was in continuity but now it all changes that’s what pisses me off
@EmotianalBratif cassidy is the restless spirit who is controlling UCN, why is she willing to have happiest day (without being reasoned with, her own decision) in this book and fnaf 3
@ bc the happiest day didn’t actually happen. They never actually over on. That only happened in fnaf 6….and we see that her grave is covered meaning she clearly didn’t wanna move on. Either way bro she’s in GF and Andrew isn’t….. she’s also heavily implied to be TNK which makes sense bc Kelsey was always seen as a judge. It also explains the he/him pronouns. They aren’t addressing by souls but by Animatronic that is being possessed. Hey at the end of the day it’s up to u what u wanna believe. I’m not saying AndrewTOYSHK should be thrown away. The theory is still valid and u can believe what u want bc Scott clearly will never answer it!
@EmotianalBrat What I’m meaning is that it COULD happen. Whether you believe it happened or not (I do), Cassidy is willing to move on every time it could happen. This would directly go against her character assuming this is true. It’s like if Henry showed up in the next game saying “nevermind I don’t care about freeing the spirits.”
@ well her moving on is better than a character never seen before. I rather take a character more seen than some rando kid who is literally not part of GF at all
I find it really funny that the one version of Into The Pit that is likely within the game continuity, is the version that ultimately goes against everything else established by the books, and the game as well.
For starters the pit seems to be actual time travel this time, not just agony affecting the real world, as in the avenger storyline, Chip actually remembers you, and even states multiple children have "pit jumped"
But along with that, just as was stated here, there were only 5 missing children, and the book pretty much goes out of its way to say there is ONLY 5. Then there's also the reference to "Eleanor", which in actuality doesn't seem to actually be Eleanor.
I don't think ITPLoop can even explain this either, because if the loop was meant to just be memories like the other versions, then there should still be 6 missing children, yet there isn't. Andrew (assuming he's this 6th victim) regardless of being freed or not should not be gone from the memory that is the pit.
So to recap, this book if it is canon, and we have no reason to assume it isn't yet, entirely breaks Stitchline, ITPLoop, Andrew possibly existing entirely, and possibly even Tales as that is connected to Frights (though we could always say that Tales is probably being rebooted thanks to HW2 and SOTM).
Return To The Pit is such a funny, funny book. It's so stupid and I love it.
The baby/Eleanor doll thing could be a plushbaby, but this book has the MCI found so it has to be its own thing
him climbing out of an egg like a newborn chicken was not on my 2024 bucket list
14:58 can I just point out (because I’m not sure if you’re gonna cover it in this video) that chip worked at Freddy’s? (Probably the fnaf 1 location because the into the pit one closed down) because if Gabriel is his daughter and she tells us in the game (or maybe in the book as well, I haven’t read that far) that her dad worked at Freddy’s so that means chip worked at Freddy’s which is pretty huge. Also I have a bit of a theory on the leader being the yellow rabbit, what if Oswalds dad is the leader? After all, the rabbit did choose to replace his dad so why would it suddenly change? And if we think that he’s the Freddy bully, then maybe chip was the chica bully? This theory really depends on if you believe the Mike from ITP is Michael afton because then we have the entire bully set right there and it kind of makes sense that Mike moved away so he can do the stuff he’s doing about finding his father and whatnot and before you say fnaf is set in Utah not Boston only one of the Freddy’s locations is in Utah it would make sense for them to be spread around in different states. It just makes sense that Mike moves away but the other bullies stay and try to take down the yellow rabbit and form a fnaf x marvel crossover and stuff.
Rye: It's Scott's favorite child
Me: Could have been Faz goo. Now that's a dark timeline.
Nah faz goo is peak. that shit is cool asl
@@Jeremy_stuart based faz goo enjoyer
17:40 am I crazy, or does that sound a lot like someone being taken over by glitchtrap?
Reminded me of the beginning of ruin after Cassie puts the mask on
YES! That’s exactly what I thought! A stabbing pain like something being implanted into someone’s head is very similar to what Cassie describes in Ruin with the VANNI mask. The calming effect and pleasing feeling? Sounds a lot like the start of some kind of mind control to me; lulling the mind into a sense of comfort to make it vulnerable. Plus it’s literally a pair of bunny ears.
I have wondered if Into the pit is supposed to be a story parallel for the crying child and what he witnessed?
Like, there's this weird connection my brain is drawing of a boy seeing his father replaced with the monstrous yellow rabbit.
I always thought michael and william, especially given the 85/post bite date
I find it really interesting that this book doubles down on there only being 5 kids, especially with the other interactive novels being gameline.
So when chip says that the rabbit does time travel disproves the theroy that the ball pit is just a hallucinations
@@josharuni547 rey said on his podcast he still thinks it’s a hallucination based on certain endings such as the one that makes an appearance at the end of the video, pretty sure it should be the podcast before this video.
I agree that RTTP is the only version of ITP that's meant to be in the game's timeline.
I think we should step back and just take an occam’s razor approach here. If we say the main line games and the choose your own adventure books are canon (including rttp) but take into the pit (game) and the frights/tales books as fun stories that may have parallels to the games most of these issues with canon disappear. Yes it leaves a weird and not complete timeline, but it doesn’t have half the contradictions that need to be filled in as if we try and throw more pieces into the puzzle. The games have just started a new era and we should be looking forward to where they want to take it not assuming everything will be copied over from some quickly pieced together books that Scott played a moderate role in.
The egg 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 bro that caught me off guard
Also luv ur vids rye!!!!
2:41 probably the craziest sponsor video
Speaking of book canonicity, what do you think about the theory that the Fazbear Frights books are part of the Help Wanted Fazbear Entertainment cover up? Like, they are technically "canon" in universe, but only as physical actual books, not the stories. They're basically a Freddy themed Goosebumps series meant to make light of the past and make people forget, just like Help Wanted. That's why some of the stuff in them is so ridiculously wacky and makes no sense for it to be real.
yes, but that would make everything pre help wanted non canon. witch to an extent i believe it is. something happened. something they are cobvering up. what? and how does the mimic fit in? and its likley the same with the books. the books are not covering up the mci, they are covering up whatever they are about. and then there is enough bullshit to obscure it. some are in continuity some are not.
But what about Afton? Its established that he killed the children in the books but how would the in universe writers of these books know that? Its never made clear that Afton was ever revealed to the public in the FNAF universe that he was killer, closest thing to a confirmation was a Newspaper clip FNAF stating that someone was charged and convicted but its not clear if it was Afton. I don't think it was because if RTTP being in the games is to be believed then the MCI took place in 1985 and William is still killing by 1987 meaning he wasn't the one being talked about in the Newspaper.
17:10 if you want to skip directly to the forcefur section
In all seriousness though... God i dont like the avengers path. Like i think most people agreed the pit wasnt actually time travel, it was agony hallucinations or reality bending or something, for the book to come out and say "no yeah it is literally time travel, time travel is a thing that happens in this franchise and may even occur elsewhere *without* the ball pit..." This series already has so many weird things that throw doubt on what we see (illusion discs, dittophobia gas, vanni network implants, agony hallucinations, etc). This is just going to muck up discussion even more.
And like, okay, sure, it may be non-canon or non-continuity or whatever, but these alternate paths have usually been what-if scenarios. Even going back to the Ennard fight from sister location, that was "Michael did not go into the secret room but if he *did,* this is what would have happened." So now if we write off the avengers path, that makes all the other alternate paths dubious. It's a no-win scenario.
I’m not sure if anyone else realize this, but I’ll go ahead and say it: return to the pit shows more evidence that Oswald’s dad is connected to Fazbear entertainment. Of course, in the game, you can find the Freddy mask that sometimes spawns when you open the attic door, which leads the some to conclude that Oswald’s dad is FreddyBro. Back to return to the pit if we are to assume that the yellow rabbit is disguising as Osswald‘s dad then Oswald‘s dad is the leader of this so-called avenger team. Which proves the point further that Oswald’s dad is more important than we realize.
Hey there! Your favorite physics lover you love to ignore with some explanations on what happens with the suit at the end of Into the Pit
So this Agony, emotional energy, is electric, we know this because 1:35 am Taggart was able to test its potency between two electrodes.
Electricity follows the law of attraction. Where like charges repel, and build a charge further out, and opposite charges attract, which has the higher charge taking over, with the net remaining between the two as the new charge.
So let's get into it.
The Week Before teaches us this energy can actually be stored over time. The Pit contains the emotional energy, not only of Golden Freddy and it's energies, but the ones Eleanor is adding into it as well.
We also know that when they use this energy, it can run low. When Oswald got the suit stuck in the net, it exerted energy as it struggled to free itself. While in close proximity to the charge of Golden Freddy in the Pit, when it depleted to a certain point, the Pits charge overtook it, absorbing the charge into itself
This also explains Jeff's Ending of the game ITP. As we know the charge recharges, eventually it would gain enough charge to repel itself out. This is why after a while when Jeff is checking out the Pit, it's able to revitalize and attack him. It simply recharged.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk. (Syke prolly not)
Is Scoff doing something like they did with the Yu-gi-oh series? Where it’s “canon” but it spits off and YOU DON’T KNOW WTF IS THE TIMELINE ANYMORE 😭
Remember there is a fnafcu. The Fnaf-multiverse IS real
@ Why don’t anyone include that in the timelines- you know, I don’t want to ask-
I think you mean Zelda.
Yugioh really did not do much with time travel in the anime. It was also directly noted that the anime and manga were separate continuities.
Zelda did a timeline split similar to what into the pit has done, which could be the creation point of various followed timelines going forward.
@ sorry, if I go on a rant a bit-
The reason Yu-gi-oh go rush is actually a bit about time travel because the main protagonist of Yu-gi-oh sevens (somehow) was transported back to the past!
Also, in yu-gi-oh bonds beyond time, the main protagonist has to save their timeline by going back to the original two timeline (befoe theirs)
I’m a nerd, I’m so sorry!
It makes me so happy to see another fnaf fan who also likes Yugioh.
2:20 What the hell is rye toast even about 😭
Have not read the book so maybe it says explicitly that this is wrong, but if the rabbit is the leader of the fnaf avengers, does that mean his dad was the leader of the fnaf avengers? Maybe this is why Oswald has this weird connection with Fnaf and why the rabbit was so aggressive and kidnapped the dad
An interesting thought…don’t have the book to gloss over the wording myself. And kinda goes long with only Oswald ever seeing him up until a certain point, There’s just something nagging at the back of my mind about it though and again I don’t have the book to confirm and I do Or trust links, but did chip actually see the yellow rabbit in Oswald’s house?
@@SkeldarkUmbrasI do have the book and it isn't stated anywhere that it isn't Oswald's dad. Chip also never met ozwalds dad, so wouldn't recognise him. It's entirely possible, and was my belief as soon as I read it
Scott will NEVER tell what's canon and what not. he enjoys watching the fandom bitching over his franchize WAY too much.
What we love to assume is that because the into the pit game is a game it should immediately fall into the games timeline, but that's a very bold assumption we shouldn't make. I think this book is meant to be THE definitive nail in the coffin that Frights is NOT in the games timeline, and that the game based on into the pit is a game that takes place in the frights timeline. It's also that what we experience in RTTP is mostly agony/remnant hallusinations. Every interaction we have with the yellow rabbit is supernatural. From him being the leader of the resistance to the bunny ear ending. I think the bunny ears and the party hats work the same where they ensnare you. Similar to how Eleanors pendant has control over perception, so do the hats and bunny ears. But why? Why is all of this happening? My theory is that the entire into the pit storyline, at least rttp takes place between follow me and fnaf 3. With Springtrap rotting inside the sealed off saferoom in Jeffs Pizzaria, the former FNaF 1 location as described in layout. Those memories in the pit are thay. Just memories... until williams agony affects them, him manifesting as the yellow rabbit. Being springlocked is a very agonizing feeling, after all.
This means we may have a specific Frights Adaptations timeline.
2:20 I will be stealing that to post on New Year’s Eve, thank you very much
That is NOT where I expected the ad read journey to go next, but I love it!
It is interesting that of all the books that would get a rewritten version, it’s Into the Pit. 🤔
I’m excited to see what Escape the Pizzaplex has to offer, given it’s about Cassie within the Pizzaplex with guards roaming around the Pizzaplex. 😱🤔
I just want to take the time to point something out I don't see people taking note on. A great as a theory this is, Into the Pit can NEVER happen in the games. Why? You may ask. Well simply because in the games, the bodies of the missing children were never found! But in the book, Into the Pit, they were, there were people running and screaming. But the games have made it clear that the children were never found, ever.
Also a follow up: the only way I could see Into the Pit being canon to the games is of the time travel part doesn't exist. Amd Oswald is just have some sort of agony induced dream because Eleanor. But even then Eleanor has no tie to the games whatsoever so there for, Into the Pit can't be canon to the games.
Its a distorted mci memory by the agony on the ballpit
@@Wizardjones69 yes, but because of Eleanor. So to say the into the pit happens in the games, you need to prove that Eleanor is real
@@m4rshall_on_planet_m4rs frailty proves that eleanor is real
It reminds me of one summer day in the park, I was having just a delightful picnic with my good friend Orville. And I said to him, I said, “Orville, I-I have a story,” And he said to me, “What’s the significance of the story?” I said to him “Orville, not every story has to have significance, ya know? Sometimes uhh, you know, sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says, you’ll just drive yourself crazy. Had a friend do it once - wasn’t pretty - we talked about it for years. And-and not only that, but, you’ll likely end up believin' something you shouldn’t believe or thinkin' something you shouldn’t think o-o-or assumin' something you shouldn’t assume, ya know? "Sometimes," I said, "a-a-a story is- is just a story, so just be quiet for one second of your life and eat your sandwich, okay?"
MR. HIPPO!
That gamer supps ad caught me off guard, I had no idea bread hatched from eggs
in fairness bunny ears that attach to you and take over your mind are already sort of canon to the games
The rabbit ears kind of reminds me the helpy mask/vanny mask and the stabbing in your head makes me think of the occipital transponder! But that could just be a coincidence or just me reaching! Lol 😂 🐰🐇
So if Return to the Pit is canon, does that mean the Yellow Rabbit is a demon that possesses people?
wait, hold on, the dead kids Oswald sees CAN'T be the MCI kids, because in the cannon ending of Into the Pit is that you save them. Whether it's cannon to the books or games or both those kids have to die.
the regular ending is canon, the secret ending is obviously not canon but used as confirmation that andrew is a cassidy parallel
@@cassettefuturismon what basis is cassidy an andrew parallel?
@@justaperson4656 andrew was purposely omitted from the only confirmed canon retelling of into the pit and cassidy is described as having "curly hair"
@@cassettefuturism RTTP isn't canon, it can't be since the MCI are found. But even then, isn't Cassidy described as having curly hair in other places? The silver eyes comes to mind, curly hair doesn't always mean Andrew, and Cassidy isn't exactly vengeful in this book
@@justaperson4656 Like in the Frights continuity, the pit seems to be an "agony pocket dimension" and not actual time travel, but it does somehow alter the memories of those involved
The MCI were never found, the pit realm only shows it that way to represent the horror that the event caused on the population.
Cassidy was only described as having curly hair in this book in specific, while TFC describes her as having long black hair.
16:05 I think what Scott is trying to say in the game is that Oswald is the sixth missing kid and the ending where he is captured and killed by the yellow rabbit and I think that Charlie is the fifth one but still possesses the puppet (it’s confusing I know but I’m working on it) and it’s a paradox. Oswald is always meant to go back to 1985, it’s a cycle. Why else would he draw the Freddy’s gang? Because he meets them every time! I also theorise that when he goes back he changes some stuff (no doubt) which is why there are so many retcons! (I know I’m fitting the retcons into the fnaf story now I really need help)
I think Oswald is the 6th victim and ya I also believe this retelling is the one in the game line. It makes sense to be
Here we go again, FNAF being as complicated as ever, how shocking.
3:15 calling me a big blue octopus?
I miss Nick Jr/Noggin
One thing to note:
Both of the canon books were written with E.C.Myers,
Whereas the debatably canon book was written by a different author
I feel like books being canon by author is a little silly
@@SammySinner6 yeah I agree, I don't think the author determines the canonicity either, but it was just something to note
The reason why I think it is one to one with the games the mci in the games has always been 5 kids so for Scott to change that I think is a good indicator that it takes place in the games continuity
Exactly!!! Everything confirmed in this game makes it clear that it’s on continuity! There were only 5 MCI, Cassidy was alway in golden Freddy and is the receiver, Andrew doesn’t exist! 😊
Hey,heresa question, does the baby/Eleanor doll thing existing during the MCI imply in anyway shape or form that Elisabeth died before the the missing children's incident, because if so that changes thing's doesn't it.
Ya I mean kinda ig. Even in the ITP game it said CB was open in 1985 so ya possibly. That’s means it’s BV Charlie Elizabeth MCI
The doll talks and its head turns to look at you, which implies it's haunted. That's literally the only time we see it though
@@justaperson4656 ok….
Do we think that Scott really wants to tell us something with this story that we keep ignoring or is it just his comfort tale? 💀😭
Personally, I see this book as a deconfirmation of the Into the Pit game being canon. We can pretty safely assume by now that the interactive novels are canon to the games, but we have very little precedent for a book-adaptation-game-rpg-pointnclick-thing. That, plus all the weird details like including the stitchwraith and other book-only characters, made the canonicity of Into the Pit dubious. By pretty directly contradicting Into the Pit, and by not including a lot of the weird extra details, I think Return to the Pit is Scott's response to "Wait, is Into the Pit canon?" From now on, I'll treat Return to the Pit as canon to the games, but not the original Into the Pit story or the Into the Pit game.
That egg ad segment was bananas.
I think the 5 children is their way of connecting it to the game
Love to see the community tear itself apart
I'm just waiting for the third novel "Escape the pizzaplex". I'm so hyped about that one because is a prequel to SB and the protagonist is Cassie so yeah... I'm just gonna wait here
3:18 Damn, being called Lower Class feels like more of an Insult than just saying Poor.
The Week Before can not be directly connected to the games. Freddy has upper-teeth on the cover.
…that’s called an artist mistake. The artist seemed to have used FNAF PLUS Freddy as reference for some reason
Also Freddy doesn’t have upper teeth in the book itself
@Personian I was joking. Just trying to bring a little humour. Sorry if there was any confusion.
@ Ah mb
It’s kind of hard to tell tone through message lol
@Personian yeah sorry. I’ll try to convey tone better next time :)
hallo
might as well add, rttp confirms andrewsawthemci?
Correct me if im wrong, In that book to acess the memory i think (where you give cake to the kids), You put on someones party hat? which could mean that party hat was andrew's.
also another thing (credits to mac-tonight)
apparently andrew wasn't originally from the mci, instead andrew used the ballpit to go there and be murdered by william
(i still do think rttp is canon, but perhaps maybe its just the secret ending who tf knows)
about the book having 5 kids, i dont really think it "retconned" the 6th, this is the same Memory.
I've seen some people say that andrew might have escaped the memory? (or the 6th kid)
I did not expect to see RyeToast hatching out of an egg with Auld Lang Syne playing in the background today, but I guess weirder things could've happened-
I just realized the first chapter to this video is titled “preheating the oven” and I am extremely delighted- I love all the little rye toast nods (bake a theory, etc) 💛
So basically this book confirms that
1. There are only 5 kids
2. Eleanor is fully confirmed
3. Cassidy is the Happiest Day recipient (which is bull unless BV is Cassidy or its not actually *The* Happiest Day and it's like one that is just for the MCI)
4. ITP is 100% confirmed to be in 2018 which means FNAF 3 isn't in 2015
And 5. That the balloon order in Security Breach with the coloured balloons is the order for the MCI victims deconfirming the grave order in HW2.
Cassidy being the golden freddy masked kid in happiest day doesn’t mean it’s not for BV. He’s just not the “reciever” role that people assumed the golden freddy masked kid had. As Cassidy said in the logbook, the party is for him.
What if the FNaF 3 Happiest Day is The Crying Child's and this one is completely different
@duckman9327 I like that theory
@@HappyFrogRender6502 There isn’t a reason for them to be different happiest days. For me, the solution here would be Shattervictim. BV’s memories are tied to the MCI, so by bringing the MCI together for happiest day, BV would go free too. We don’t visibly see him there because, well, he didn’t exist when Scott made that minigame, but his presence is felt through Scott using those fnaf 3 minigames to tie back to BV in fnaf 4.
The best way I can put this is that BV isn’t the golden freddy masked kid in that minigame, he IS the minigame. He’s the memory, he’s the way that Charlie is able to free the MCI and him. By gathering the MCI together, by bringing his memories back together, she’s able to destroy his (and their) trauma and allow them all to be free.
@duckman9327 I saw this theory of both ShatterVictim and GoldenDuo being canon. Parts of The Crying Child's memories are in the original animatronics, while his soul resides in FredBear
The gamer sups edit felt like having a fever
Traditional book/series continuity: 6 kids
Video game continuity, and this set of books specifically: 5 kids.
So, there are 2 universes. Traditional book verse and game verse. These books are set in the game verse.
Odd thing of note, but return to the pit and into the pit both seem to reference a end of night minigame of fnaf 2, go foxy go, as if you manage to leave the room fast enough before the foxy jumpscare, you can see a darkened out sixth kid in the hallway you came from after finding the other five dead. Ironically, foxy is also reset by flashing lights, suggesting that oswald was stuffed into it during the into the pit game, as whenever the lights majorly flash he seems to lose a major portion of his memories in the ending where he gets captured. It also refernces the fact fritz was one of the last kids killed in the original incident according to help wanted 2, meaning he could have actually attempted to help save the other kids, but died in the process of doing so.
my theory is that these "choose your own adventure" books are mimic1 training scenarios
my problem with saying that Return to the Pit isn't cannon ,although it would be very in fashion for FNaF, is that it would be very strange for the same book series that out right says that one issue takes place in the game's universe, and have a future issue that seemingly has Cassie headlining it would be incredibly annoying.
9:07 that make it like 2013
1 minute ago is insane
Watched the video and laughed every single time you pointed out the weird details of this book it's so real 😭
Personally I agree, I think it's just a retelling meant to point us to ITPG being the canon entry
the best collective name i can think offor the interactive novels are the lorekeeper seires as they keep expanding our knowladge of the lore every time
So about the yellow rabbit being the leader of the group. Could that imply that Oswald's dad was the leader of this group? If he is in fact the Freddy mask bully, then he would definitely want to write the wrongs of his past (being his involvement in Dave Afton's death)
8:37
Oswald in fact, does not prevent the MCI.
12:02
Let's talk about the energy again and what the series says about it. It's fueled and controlled based off memories. This energy is stuck in a loop (UCN and ITP prove this) and it's the memories that are driving it.
So whenever Eleanor adds new energies into the Pit, like Millie's, which we know she does from the ending of the epilogues because Millie and others are there, they see Oswald overcome, and that is what that energies memory now is. Oswald is still stuck and none of that legit happened. That's why only the boot is there. Oswald's Dad's energy isn't.
I do think that Andrew just died in another place and Andrew is a time traveller.
I did like the reveal that Gabrielle is Chip's kid. It was nice to get some kind of reason she exists in the story lol
I’m just gonna nickname them “Fazbear Interactive” cuz it sounds like something that’d exist in canon as a game or something.
Well Oswald does kinda break the fourth wall if you play on easy mode, curious as to the point of an extra half token (as the ball pit half was already combined with the start of game half).
10:05 what the IT bro
edit: ok i shouldve waited like 3 more seconds before i commented, he already pointed that out lol
You forgot Halloween Kills for your Avengers Ending Mash Up. Everyone gathering to JJK Jump/Kill Michael Myers...er, The Yellow Rabbit because they are just OVER IT and it turns into a Reverse Jumping that sends the angry mob to The River Styx before their time in the absolute worst ways possible, LMFAOOO! Good ol' Occam's Razor returns for my Theory: FNAF has a MultiVerse and Oswald is like Wolverine in Deadpool and Wolverine. He's an Anchor and whatever happens to him either saves the world or ends it. That's all I'm gonna say because I'm not looking for a FNAF related migraine today! I really do ADORE the mini game where Oswald prevents the MCI. If someone like Oswald was around for The Big Bite, with Elizabeth while she snuck off to her Circus Baby caused DOOM, and if someone stronger and faster than Charlie was there, it'd be curtains for William Afton with no fire needed. He'd get the Breaking Bad Prisoner Scene treatment because nobody likes an inmate that hurts or attempts to hurt children. Afton would never escape from Gen Pop Justice! 😈😈
10:22 you mean Amazing?!?!?
My hang up is the time travel idea. Like the community seems to not want it to be time travel but Scott keeps using the term time travel. I would really love Scott to come out and just say yes this is time travel or no it isn't
who's up ryeing their toast
15:38 so, is this Charlie? The extra kid still killed by William but during a separate incident and time away from everyone else and killed by Will and not “the yellow rabbit”. But bc this is an agony pit it shows them all at the same time. Except for Return, which could be stating “no the MCI is just the 5, and Charlie is preparing happiest day” or something like that.
Who knows, maybe the DCI was afton dragging the MCI’s corpses out of the suits like the sick fuck he was. God could you imagine the horror of child corpses littering the ground after 2 yrs of decay? And the fact that the killer would be essentially still saying “oh, I’m still here, I’m just busy; but don’t you dare forget me”
Lmao helps if I just watch a little farther lmao
Its andrew.
16:51 yeah I think all three of the interactive novels are in the games timeline but I also think the mega cat’s game is as well, I mean why are we suddenly saying that A GAME isn’t in the GAMES timeline?
Because it was created as a spin-off; if we go by the logic of "It's a game, so it has to be in the games' timeline" then you can't allocate said timeline to main series titles only, it must contain EVERY game that carries the Five Nights at Freddy's branding in some way.
I wonder if Fnaf is like Harry Potter where the timeline all hinges on if one child is killed or the other (David/Cassidy), like how Charlie had Charlie/Sammy. Idk it's something dinging in my head.
To sum it up, the other storylines are just What If...?
How is the layout of Jeff's and 1985 Freddy's in Return To The Pit? I don't have it sorry
Wouldn't "The Interactive Novels" or "The Interactive Novel series" be an appropiate name for this book series? I don't think a specific name would work for this book series because unlike the previous ones, this one is a completely different book genre being a choose-your-own-adventure. The previous book series were all novels. Plus, given this book series isn't just random or original Goosebumps-esque stories or a separate take on the original timeline, it'd be hard to make up a custom title to classify all of them. But otherwise, great video!
Hot take: Hit by car is the canon ending
Might be a bit of a hot take, but I don't think the "Avengers timeline" *actually* matters. It only leads to game overs. It more so tells us something that could happen (time travelling, an anti-bunny team, etc.) but certainly did not
Hey, Ryetoast, I don’t know if you’ll read this comment but I feel like it’s worth mentioning. I feel the Greek story that Gabriella tells us are more important than we thought. I’m referring the story of Theseus and the story of Hercules. The story of Theseus seems to parallel a lot with what is seemingly going on with Princess Quest. Again I don’t know if you’ll even see this comment but if you do I recommend doing a video on it as I find it too important to dismiss.
maybe one time it was 6 kids and then he did it again with 5
Fun fact, the 8-bit Escape ending is proven to not be canon by Jeff's Pizza still existing; unless Freddy's closed down for a reason other than the MCI, it should still be Freddy's in Oswald's time.
I love the avengers. Emma peel is so good, such an icon. Plus I like the man's bowler hat.
John steed. I had to look up his name bc I totally forgot
We did it boys, time travel is now canon
16:44 not to mention the 5 laps at Freddy's updates. Which makes me believe the Midnight Motorist is the discovery of the abduction of Andrew.
It would make sense as trauma makes more of the emotional energy, had Andrew's dad been an alcoholic that would come home to give his son a hard time, wether it's hark him or abuse him, it'd be reason for Afton to kidnap him.
However, I don't think this is a retelling. I think this is one of the loops Oswald was stuck in.
Idk if there's something I missed but doesn't it more so imply that MM is about William? The purple retro car with a Spring Bonnie antenna.... kinda implies it's William's story and not some rando
(And if your rebuttal is that it's a misdirect or it implies it's a family car affected by Williams actions just don't, it sounds so ass backwards lmao)
@SammySinner6 I think connecting the two isn't a misdirection, rather an implication. Purple Guy isn't Orange Guy, but definitely connecting Afton to MM could *as easily* be referencing he's the animatronic foot prints at the window.