rly good stuff as master elo adc im learning to understand why my jglers dont gank when i think its good, when its actually not, or making them gank hoping enemy to be bad and ruin my jgler gameplay, aswell as jgl tracking, grasping the plan of my jgler based on his pathing i feel like i found a gold mine pls keep it up ❤
That's why I think it's mandatory that every laner play jungle for 2 weeks lol. Then they'll realize that their idea of a good gank is actually NOT a good gank like 99% of the time.
if ur curious about that we can review ur games and I can give ur jgl perspective on things, and u give me adc perspective, I would profit from learning laners perspective too, im master jgl main :)
I guess this is very individual for each player, but for me it could be interesting to hear more about how to use the knowledge while playing. I have trouble thinking of all the things ingame and to stay focused without going on autopilot. I try to build habits, for example as adc main: Everytime i kill a minion > Take a quick look at the minimap. Or: Enemy comes back to lane > Press tab and check items. These are more abstract themes and probably apply to all sorts of sports coaching, but it could be interesting to hear how Agurins mindset is, as a good example to go by.
you ve to introduce this gradually and make it a habit one by one, specific knowledge which you cannot use frequently is quite inefficient to focus on. What you are talking about it sometimes called "reference" points, you try to tie them to certain situations ingame so you know what to do/have guidance in that specific situation.
I love your couching content bro please do more 11/10. Related to what topics to talk about what do u do when u face a jungler that does ganks much faster and easier then you and u cant contest him? Or if u get invaded and die early lvls then the enemy team keeps invading u, what should u do in that situation?
Bcs u dont only cosider the wave state while ganking u need to think about other things aswell so thats why im kinda not sure if im making the rigt play
Great coaching, however I feel like the student didnt sound like he wanted to learn or tried to answer as a Master player.. Maybe I am wrong but was weird hearing the responses.. Thank you Agurin
Great video! There is some topics i don't understand. - When to skip camps: I think i powerfarm to much unless the other jungler is ganking and i can countergank or lanes status allow for an objective. Or bot has prio and i can look for play around my support. - What to do when enemy jungler is far ahead: Let's say i path to top for whatever reasson (grubs for example) or there is a map split. And enemy jungler ganks 2 times both, for example a Kayn 4/0 with Blue form. Then i don't know how to comeback. Because if i look for ganks i risk revealing my possition and Kayn can just track me and perma invade me and kill me or just cross map and keep getting feed. And if i don't look for ganks, he just keep farming botlane or extending his lead to other lanes. Usually i don't get stomped myself, i can get some kills and have all my camps or even counterjungle, but what usually happens to me is that i lose the map itself even if i'm doing decent myself. I think you get what i mean. Ty
When to skip camps: once you get a level up from a monster at a good time in the game (hitting lvl 5 at like min 4:45 to 5:45 min); (or lvl6 early/at a good time) you can leave the other ones standing to instantly fight/take drakeinvade/countergank etc (all in consideration if you have prio or not ofc.). You will see in alot of agurin gameplay, that he still fullclears to keep his circling and respawning of camps in sync. So you can always use your time you gained from not having to farm to look for stuff. You can also ping your team in advance or watch lanestates so you can plan ahead, but as agurin said, you shouldnt listen too much on laners pings. Hope i helped :)
Hey Shadow, let me see if I can help. If you see the enemy jungler ganking bot then you should look at punishing him topside. (Quick tab check to see if he did a full clear or not and if he didn’t then you can invade top; if he did full clear and it’s 4:20 then that means his top camp should already have spawned and you can take that to slowly get even further ahead in xp while he gets behind. Then you can take his other top camp too , drop a ward and back to buy and meet him at your top side (if you saw him pathing that way from your ward) or at your bot side (again your ward should tell you where he’s going) and you should be able to collect that bounty since you have just backed and should be at least one level ahead from the camps stolen. It’s always best practice to get your bot lane or top to ward 20 sec before a gank might be happening (finishing your third camp give a ward ping on tri or a danger ping on their heads so that they at least think of “hey maybe we are gonna get ganked”) if they don’t get ganked then it’s w.e but if they do they may be better prepared now because it’s not a surprise. You can also use that jungle tracking to go and preemptively counter gank by let’s say you see your top is shoved at enemy tower and you know enemy jungle cleared bot up just like you and you both usually clear same speeds. Then you can skip one top camp and sneak in the bush right next to your laner to be ready to counter gank and get the free kill/double. (If top is red buff I’d skip raptors) if top is blue buff I’d skip blue or wolves . Just so you get the most xp and don’t waste to much time. (Red buff is a must on tanks though)
Hope it helps; I haven’t watched this coaching yet but it’s on my list that’s how i saw this comment. Also wanted to note that I usually see agurin take just one camp when doing that 4:20 invade so that you don’t overstay nor over delay your back timer
You can either play opposite side of the 4/0 Kayn OR Match him and play on the same side of the map to look for a countergank if your champion excels in situations like that (i.e. J4, Zac, Lee sin, and such). Good way to get a 400G shutdown for your team. If you're playing Shyvana, I would play opposite side and try to go for topside objective or a dive top. If it's too risky, you simply play for farm and wait for enemy to make a mistake. Most important thing when playing from behind is to be aware of your spikes and know when you can go for something like a countergank vs the fed Kayn. Lvl 6, 9, 11, first item completion, etc. You don't need to be *stronger* than him, you just need to outplay, which is functionally what counterganking is all about.
rly good stuff as master elo adc im learning to understand why my jglers dont gank when i think its good, when its actually not, or making them gank hoping enemy to be bad and ruin my jgler gameplay, aswell as jgl tracking, grasping the plan of my jgler based on his pathing i feel like i found a gold mine pls keep it up ❤
That's why I think it's mandatory that every laner play jungle for 2 weeks lol. Then they'll realize that their idea of a good gank is actually NOT a good gank like 99% of the time.
if ur curious about that we can review ur games and I can give ur jgl perspective on things, and u give me adc perspective, I would profit from learning laners perspective too, im master jgl main :)
I guess this is very individual for each player, but for me it could be interesting to hear more about how to use the knowledge while playing.
I have trouble thinking of all the things ingame and to stay focused without going on autopilot. I try to build habits, for example as adc main: Everytime i kill a minion > Take a quick look at the minimap. Or: Enemy comes back to lane > Press tab and check items.
These are more abstract themes and probably apply to all sorts of sports coaching, but it could be interesting to hear how Agurins mindset is, as a good example to go by.
you ve to introduce this gradually and make it a habit one by one, specific knowledge which you cannot use frequently is quite inefficient to focus on. What you are talking about it sometimes called "reference" points, you try to tie them to certain situations ingame so you know what to do/have guidance in that specific situation.
I love these coaching videos, keep them coming
he was never ever a master player, not even on EUNE 100%
Can you move face cam so we can also see map? These coaching videos are so good!👍
what?
Would love to see some 0-300 lp master tier euw coaching
7:20 this is the hardest lesson to learn as a jungler.
I love your couching content bro please do more 11/10.
Related to what topics to talk about what do u do when u face a jungler that does ganks much faster and easier then you and u cant contest him? Or if u get invaded and die early lvls then the enemy team keeps invading u, what should u do in that situation?
"thats a good question"
how is this guy mega cluleless about when its a good wavestate to gank when he is 200 lp?
Because he's not 200 lp
200 lp is pisslow
Bcs u dont only cosider the wave state while ganking u need to think about other things aswell so thats why im kinda not sure if im making the rigt play
Thank you for your coaching, pro.
Hes not 200lp peak :D
Ofc i am why would i lie about it
"I AM GOOD"
Great coaching, however I feel like the student didnt sound like he wanted to learn or tried to answer as a Master player.. Maybe I am wrong but was weird hearing the responses.. Thank you Agurin
Yeah I know its strange buying a coaching and then behaving like a bored student in school who doesn't care at all...
Great video!
There is some topics i don't understand.
- When to skip camps:
I think i powerfarm to much unless the other jungler is ganking and i can countergank or lanes status allow for an objective. Or bot has prio and i can look for play around my support.
- What to do when enemy jungler is far ahead:
Let's say i path to top for whatever reasson (grubs for example) or there is a map split. And enemy jungler ganks 2 times both, for example a Kayn 4/0 with Blue form. Then i don't know how to comeback. Because if i look for ganks i risk revealing my possition and Kayn can just track me and perma invade me and kill me or just cross map and keep getting feed. And if i don't look for ganks, he just keep farming botlane or extending his lead to other lanes.
Usually i don't get stomped myself, i can get some kills and have all my camps or even counterjungle, but what usually happens to me is that i lose the map itself even if i'm doing decent myself. I think you get what i mean.
Ty
When to skip camps: once you get a level up from a monster at a good time in the game (hitting lvl 5 at like min 4:45 to 5:45 min); (or lvl6 early/at a good time) you can leave the other ones standing to instantly fight/take drakeinvade/countergank etc (all in consideration if you have prio or not ofc.). You will see in alot of agurin gameplay, that he still fullclears to keep his circling and respawning of camps in sync. So you can always use your time you gained from not having to farm to look for stuff. You can also ping your team in advance or watch lanestates so you can plan ahead, but as agurin said, you shouldnt listen too much on laners pings. Hope i helped :)
Hey Shadow, let me see if I can help.
If you see the enemy jungler ganking bot then you should look at punishing him topside. (Quick tab check to see if he did a full clear or not and if he didn’t then you can invade top; if he did full clear and it’s 4:20 then that means his top camp should already have spawned and you can take that to slowly get even further ahead in xp while he gets behind. Then you can take his other top camp too , drop a ward and back to buy and meet him at your top side (if you saw him pathing that way from your ward) or at your bot side (again your ward should tell you where he’s going) and you should be able to collect that bounty since you have just backed and should be at least one level ahead from the camps stolen.
It’s always best practice to get your bot lane or top to ward 20 sec before a gank might be happening (finishing your third camp give a ward ping on tri or a danger ping on their heads so that they at least think of “hey maybe we are gonna get ganked”) if they don’t get ganked then it’s w.e but if they do they may be better prepared now because it’s not a surprise.
You can also use that jungle tracking to go and preemptively counter gank by let’s say you see your top is shoved at enemy tower and you know enemy jungle cleared bot up just like you and you both usually clear same speeds. Then you can skip one top camp and sneak in the bush right next to your laner to be ready to counter gank and get the free kill/double. (If top is red buff I’d skip raptors) if top is blue buff I’d skip blue or wolves . Just so you get the most xp and don’t waste to much time. (Red buff is a must on tanks though)
Hope it helps; I haven’t watched this coaching yet but it’s on my list that’s how i saw this comment. Also wanted to note that I usually see agurin take just one camp when doing that 4:20 invade so that you don’t overstay nor over delay your back timer
You can either play opposite side of the 4/0 Kayn
OR
Match him and play on the same side of the map to look for a countergank if your champion excels in situations like that (i.e. J4, Zac, Lee sin, and such). Good way to get a 400G shutdown for your team.
If you're playing Shyvana, I would play opposite side and try to go for topside objective or a dive top. If it's too risky, you simply play for farm and wait for enemy to make a mistake.
Most important thing when playing from behind is to be aware of your spikes and know when you can go for something like a countergank vs the fed Kayn. Lvl 6, 9, 11, first item completion, etc. You don't need to be *stronger* than him, you just need to outplay, which is functionally what counterganking is all about.
Hello!
Can you watch some replays to tell me what was the problem.
I have hard times
Think of all the people comfy in emerald not stressing any of this shit ❤❤❤
Im gonna be honest, im not the biggest fan of the coaching videos you started to upload. The normal gameplay is way better