Remoulade Sauce Recipe - How to Make Fancy Tartar Sauce

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  • Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
  • Learn how to make a Remoulade Sauce Recipe! Go to foodwishes.blog... for more information, and many, many more recipe video. I hope you enjoy this Fancy Tartar Sauce recipe!

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  • @foodwishes
    @foodwishes  5 лет назад +12

    Check out the recipe: www.allrecipes.com/Recipe/239540/Chef-Johns-Remoulade-20/

  • @mikezimmerman9547
    @mikezimmerman9547 10 лет назад +17

    I used to work at Country Kitchen back in the 80's. We had a burger that we put a really cheap tartar sauce on (literally mayo and relish mix). I always thought I hated Tartar sauce - never tasted it but it was one of those kid things. One day we had a walk-out and my boss asked me if I wanted the burger the guy ordered on my break. I ate it and fell in love with Tartar sauce on burgers. I don't know about you all's discussion on Remoulade being tartar or not, but this looks awesome, and I'll bet its off the chart on burgers.

  • @urbanepidemic
    @urbanepidemic 10 лет назад +8

    Chef John even makes something as simple as condiments look absolutely outstanding.

  • @00Emerald00
    @00Emerald00 10 лет назад +3

    Chef John, your cleverly humorous comments make %50 of all your videos! I love your recipes and your wit!

  • @georges4037
    @georges4037 5 лет назад +6

    Made this tonight......Phenomenal sauce for fried fish, fried shrimp, crab cakes, and anything else you add tarter sauce too. Great recipe Chef!!!

  • @aquamarynqa
    @aquamarynqa 10 лет назад +21

    I love French fries with tartar sauce! It elevates them to a totaly different level :3

  • @Apocalypz
    @Apocalypz 10 лет назад +2

    Not only do I enjoy your recipes, but I must always complete a 15 sec "rewind" because I've been laughing well too hard to hear your instruction. Anchovy paste, for example. I do so enjoy your videos! Thank you so so much.

  • @danwilliams1920
    @danwilliams1920 4 года назад +1

    I made this yesterday in preparation of the deep fryer that is coming in two days in which we will make Chef John's fish and chips recipe. Today I could not resist giving it a try, and so made it to go with some cheap frozen fish sticks from the grocery store. It is an absolutely delicious and sophisticated condiment I can highly recommend. I made it exactly to the specifications listed on the website, and I see no reason to deviate from that recipe at all. This will be my go-to tartar sauce from now on. One thing I really like about it is it has a very mild, almost umami flavor, which can easily be livened up with a squeeze of lemon applied to the fish or crab cakes or whatever you're applying this condiment to, if you feel it needs it. I tended to apply lemon juice to my fish sticks about half the time, and found that without it it was also quite delicious. Again I do highly recommend this recipe. You will definitely get the sense that you're being spoiled with a tartar sauce of a higher order.

  • @gracereds4353
    @gracereds4353 4 года назад +7

    Thank you chef John.
    You always make my day.

  • @frankkolton1780
    @frankkolton1780 5 лет назад +59

    I was out of anchovy paste, so I subbed a 1/2 teaspoon of some asian fish sauce, the stuff that smells like an Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips dumpster in July. It came out great.

    • @debc7341
      @debc7341 3 года назад +4

      🤣very descriptive…😜

    • @imd1super615
      @imd1super615 3 года назад +1

      Not heard that restaurant name in 40 years.

    • @silentj624
      @silentj624 2 года назад

      Fish sauce is so damn good. When I'm in a pinch I use it in 50 cent Ramen with an egg and it's THE best.

    • @thelasttaarakian
      @thelasttaarakian Год назад

      @@silentj624 its really not worth using.

  • @ace625
    @ace625 10 лет назад +2

    Here in France I see this most often with shredded celeriac (usually without pickles). Good stuff!

  • @jesperfrankandresen
    @jesperfrankandresen 10 лет назад

    My heart melted when i saw the title. Remoulade is bought and sold in all stores in denmark! The recipe here is making a cucumber, onion, selleri, taragon relish mixed with karry, mustard powder. And then combined with mayo. Over here it always has a yellow green colour and is eaten most commonly with fried fish, hamburgers, hotdogs, pate' and roast beef. We translate it to tartar sauce when explained to english talking people.

  • @andyroid5028
    @andyroid5028 3 года назад +1

    *Chef John, you're a national treasure!*

  • @nunya148
    @nunya148 4 года назад

    Just made this & man was this SOOOO good!! The capers & the dijon mustard gave it a GREAT kick!!!!!! 😉😉😉

  • @MrKirby365
    @MrKirby365 10 лет назад +1

    i am going tobe honest chef i hate bread and butter pickles but i will still try this recipee i trust you chef

  • @Craigskitchen360
    @Craigskitchen360 15 дней назад

    Chef John, your pauses and voice annoy me but the quality of your videos are top shelf! You know how to take a product and teach baby! You are a genius

  • @dianemilligan3839
    @dianemilligan3839 7 лет назад +8

    Chef John ... thank you for all your delicious recipes, especially this one and your fresh salmon cakes. I can't wait to give them a try. :)

  • @chitramoontarot
    @chitramoontarot 10 лет назад +7

    Mmm just made this and it tastes so yummy!! I totally get why you need to refrigerate it. It really brings out the taste. I'm making your salmon cakes later. Can't wait!! Thanks Chef John!!

  • @Unacuncunaamarilla353
    @Unacuncunaamarilla353 8 лет назад

    this is the best cooking channel!!! i'm an experienced cook so to me you overexplain the recipes but you are so so nice that I just enjoy listening!!

  • @aapex1
    @aapex1 5 лет назад +1

    EUREKA!!!!!! Made it, love it, had some leftover. Making salad and had a hankerin for Thousand Island. I mixed in a little Ketchup and BOOM! THE best I've ever had. I highly recommend.

  • @debc7341
    @debc7341 3 года назад +2

    This a delish recipe😋I used it for salmon cakes but in the future I’m going to try it as an alternative for shrimp cocktail sauce, for fresh shrimp. It’s so good I could almost eat it all by itself❤️

  • @timthompson8297
    @timthompson8297 8 лет назад +1

    I like your humor. Makes your videos even better.

  • @msgypsyqueen
    @msgypsyqueen 9 лет назад +60

    "Super attractive going into the bowl..." Lol!! .. That's exactly what I was thinking.. "Oh, thats lovely" lol

    • @ksweetopia
      @ksweetopia 6 лет назад

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    • @tkcollins583
      @tkcollins583 4 года назад

      😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @SmokyRibsBBQ
    @SmokyRibsBBQ 10 лет назад +42

    Chef John, you totally cracked me up when you were adding in the anchovy paste, but that looks like one awesome Remoulade sauce. I'm from the south, and not that far from New Orleans, and this is the very first time I've heard anyone say, that Remoulade sauce is the same thing as tartar sauce. Either way, I'll be trying this soon ;) Thanks Chef John!

    • @SmokyRibsBBQ
      @SmokyRibsBBQ 10 лет назад

      Lol Paula :D

    • @yakuzelizard
      @yakuzelizard 10 лет назад +2

      I thought the same thing...45 mins from New Orleans

    • @SmokyRibsBBQ
      @SmokyRibsBBQ 10 лет назад +2

      I actually live in Gulfport MS, and only a short drive to New Orleans, but was raised on this kind of food, and make it quite often

    • @slobomotion
      @slobomotion 10 лет назад +2

      If you can get kohlrabi and want to take the time to shred it, this sauce with it makes the best salad. This will also work with ordinary celery, et c.

    • @danwilliams1920
      @danwilliams1920 4 года назад

      Made it to exact specifications today. It truly is absolutely delicious.

  • @danwilliams1920
    @danwilliams1920 Год назад

    My favorite sauce recipe from Chef John. This stuff is seriously delicious.

  • @getawaydc
    @getawaydc 10 лет назад +1

    Love you Chef John. Your videos are my fave cooking videos.

  • @bulldoglove7631
    @bulldoglove7631 Год назад

    If Chef John wasn't a Chef, he'd be a comedian. Oh wait, he's a special breed-- he's both! Duuuude you are so awesome :D Been following your vids for years, def was a pleasant, well-rounded dose of cooking fun during lock-down times. We were determined to follow your recipes lol! Your content is timeless :D

  • @jamesbrowne6351
    @jamesbrowne6351 5 лет назад

    My favorite cook. Love the versatility.

  • @evelynvega1730
    @evelynvega1730 3 года назад +1

    If I win the lottery, I will ask you to be my personal chef cause I love how you put everything together. I’m too lazy to get all those ingredients. Thank you for the video.

  • @denniscostabile4264
    @denniscostabile4264 2 года назад +1

    Great! So many layers of flavor. It's hard to keep so many ingredients in stock at my house though.

  • @Rapidestsubset9
    @Rapidestsubset9 6 лет назад

    Love this recipe. We had it with our catfish and small month bass. My friends and family loved it. Thank you for the video.

  • @adifferentcraig
    @adifferentcraig 5 лет назад +1

    The subtle jokes along the way are my favorite. This video’s winner was the comment made while adding anchovy paste 😂

  • @asmrrivers5028
    @asmrrivers5028 7 лет назад +1

    In Europe we also add finely chopped hard boiled eggs in the remoulade/tartare sauce. Delicious! To my knowledge that's the original French way of making it.

  • @LongBeachLifestyles
    @LongBeachLifestyles 6 лет назад

    Brilliant! Another great video by the master of brevity. You say everything I need to get the job done in the shortest amount of time without leaving anything necessary unsaid. (Except the quip on the anchovy)LOL

  • @WobblesandBean
    @WobblesandBean 10 лет назад +37

    SO eating this with fish and chips tomorrow night!

    • @RoninDee
      @RoninDee 10 лет назад +7

      zazinoth
      This is still the internet after all...

    • @slobomotion
      @slobomotion 10 лет назад +4

      I have enjoyed visiting the UK for decades and never, ever ate a fish 'n' chips there (nor a curry!). It was even exotic food in my day in the USA!

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean 10 лет назад +1

      ...Seriously?

    • @CarlosAugustoMouraguto
      @CarlosAugustoMouraguto 10 лет назад

      waiting for the invite ;)

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean 10 лет назад

      Carlos Augusto Moura Hmm. I wonder what Isadora would say about your treatment of women.

  • @iansaunders67
    @iansaunders67 10 лет назад

    Or cod, haddock, yellowtail, flounder, hake, red fish, claims, scallops, squid, the list goes on. Recommend wild caught. Mmmmm! We break our backs to bring you the best here in New Bedford. Thanks Chef John!

  • @synapsenfick8762
    @synapsenfick8762 10 лет назад +40

    This goes great with Roastbeef, too.

    • @lowdown3007
      @lowdown3007 10 лет назад +9

      yup, I like to add horseradish to my tar tar... or more like tar tar to my horseradish 'cuz i just like that balance better.

  • @chuckingham541
    @chuckingham541 3 года назад

    My wife made this sauce for your salmon patties---THE BEST!!! Thanks

  • @larsleion
    @larsleion 10 лет назад

    Don't know if it's just the first time I notice, but the fonts and annotations at the end as well as the intro looks really good now. Good job on learning all the new software, chef ;) Also, I have only tried Remoulade of the commercial norwegian kind, so I am excited to try this sometime soon!

  • @camouflagejumpsuit
    @camouflagejumpsuit 7 лет назад +1

    Whenever I gave my girls fish sticks, I made them a dipping sauce of sour cream, mayo, small capers, lemon, salt and pepper. They loved it!

  • @jadebell550
    @jadebell550 5 лет назад

    It was free fishing day in California and we got some nice fish for fish n chips . I really needed a tarter sauce recipe .. 🙏

  • @beverlytipton9037
    @beverlytipton9037 5 лет назад

    The best "real" mayonnaise is "Blue Plate" in our opinion. We love it so much, that's the only mayo we use on sandwiches or in recipes for pasta, potato or pea salad, dips & sauces too. Yummm

  • @aoiyuri
    @aoiyuri 10 лет назад

    You said turkey sandwich and I was reminded of the cranberry Mayo they use in Yosemite National Park. Stuff is really good and even works on roast beef.

  • @irjesuslmao
    @irjesuslmao 10 лет назад +7

    My mum makes her own tartar sauce sometimes when she feels like being fancy with fish etc. I had her show me how to make it one time because I really love tartar sauce when I like it, but a lot of the time I don't like it at all. Her recipe was very similar, but there was a squeeze or two of lemon juice in there as well, how do you feel about that as a flavour to add to a sauce like this?

  • @johnnyeno1
    @johnnyeno1 10 лет назад

    hey chef john...do not forget that you have greek fans too..!!... so for your new 1000 Food Wishes videos...I wish of some chef John's made greek recipes..!!

  • @youarenowdark
    @youarenowdark 10 лет назад

    You are the golden god of your remoulade!

  • @tdowns
    @tdowns 10 лет назад

    Anchovy paste...which is super attractive going into the bowl. Everything awesome as always sir!

  • @mse3700
    @mse3700 10 лет назад +205

    It's a good thing you don't cook naked, because that shiny stainless steel mixing bowl is like a mirror.

    • @vicp7124
      @vicp7124 7 лет назад +29

      That mixing bowl appears in many of his videos. May end up in Smithsonian some day.

    • @zionadore5397
      @zionadore5397 7 лет назад

      You're right. He can be seen on the sides of the stainless still pot. Lol!

    • @ttrdf
      @ttrdf 5 лет назад +2

      who would cook naked lol

    • @ChoochooseU
      @ChoochooseU 5 лет назад +1

      I used to play the “can I see em in the reflections and bonus points for seeing camera crew” game on other cooking shows on 📺
      Not quite as fun as snarking with a friend while watching Sandra Lee make tablescrapes but ... I’ve said too much...

    • @trussmonkey5910
      @trussmonkey5910 5 лет назад +2

      @@ttrdf Who doesn't?

  • @Valjean666dk
    @Valjean666dk 8 месяцев назад

    Remoulade is massive in Denmark.
    Burgers, hotdogs, frikadeller(Danish meatballs), french fries, various types of fish, all kinds of open face sandwiches (smørrebrød) are all improved by some remoulade.
    It's not as sauce though, but a bit thicker, and comes as a bottled condiment like ketchup.
    It's great for balancing out the sweetness and sourness of ketchup.
    And I personally like to mix ketchup, remoulade and Maggi Aroma (soy sauce).
    Lacking remoulade, mixing Hellmann's mayo and ketchup works well too.

  • @chelsabailey1018
    @chelsabailey1018 5 лет назад

    Looks fantastic!!! Will definitely try!!!

  • @mothman-jz8ug
    @mothman-jz8ug 4 года назад +3

    YES! It is great on burgers, or about any kind of sandwich. (It is excellent on a good old ham and cheese.) People miss out by thinking it's just for seafood.
    QUESTION: The difference between remoulade sauce and tartar sauce is a tablecloth, but what if it's a vinyl table cloth? And, if actual cloth, is it remoulade with polyester, or just linen? We need to know these things.

  • @urfan7850
    @urfan7850 Год назад

    Thanks for the recipe! Amazing!

  • @lightwavz
    @lightwavz 6 лет назад +6

    I am assuming here that I can find the Pt Hollive Pickles next to the Smellsmans Mayonnaise in the Condiments Aisle? Or do you recommend the refrigerated Zlaziq?!

  • @vintagemoss9578
    @vintagemoss9578 8 лет назад +5

    Tried it tonight with Halibut. Loved IT!

    • @danwilliams1920
      @danwilliams1920 4 года назад

      Halibut? I would love some halibut. Care to donate?

  • @iamenvymetoo
    @iamenvymetoo 2 года назад

    I made this and with some modifications it was delicious. I added some plain greek yogurt to thicken it up and remove some of the mayo taste. Guest at the party complimented me on it.

  • @jacobvig0
    @jacobvig0 10 лет назад

    In Denmark (little country above Germany) we can buy Remoulade in bottles. The sauce is yellow (turmeric) and is used as you said - but very popular on fries etc. Mostly together with Ketchup.

  • @gigiwilliams9093
    @gigiwilliams9093 4 года назад

    Looking forward to making this..thanks

  • @London1869
    @London1869 7 лет назад

    I had remoulade in New Orleans and didn't know what it was but it was delicious and everywhere.

  • @XxXDragaonXxX
    @XxXDragaonXxX 8 лет назад

    thank you for showing me what I'm always eating for dinner!

  • @carterdreves6019
    @carterdreves6019 3 года назад

    Yup... I beat you to the anchovy paste squiggle joke! My Gawd you are hilarious.
    I have been to NOLA many, many times... and Remoulade recipes of course vary, but
    variety is the sauce of life. Thanks chef.

  • @Erinleigh116
    @Erinleigh116 3 года назад

    My mouth is watering!! Can't wait to try this

  • @peterdoe2617
    @peterdoe2617 4 года назад

    Over here in Germany, it's very popular to finely dice a hardboiled egg into it. But I'm about to make this. And for all people, thinking about "real mayonaise": I'm making my own, too. It's easy! And I'm in control of those ingredients.

  • @seancoyote
    @seancoyote 6 лет назад

    If you are wondering what mayo he was talking about because you aren't east of the Rockies, it's Best Food. I moved from the East and was scared because my favorite mayo wasn't here, but it was, had to do some label reading on some blue labels that looked speciously similar. The east coast Slogan gave me a clue as well, "Bring out the Hellmann's and bring out the Best."

  • @Hemming-Peter-Mortensen
    @Hemming-Peter-Mortensen Год назад

    I live on the outskirts of Denmark, so far out that even the crows turn around but I like the video and nobody there will notice if I take a small break from the work on my own channel, so I can place the video in a playlist, sooner or later.

  • @WolfieSilveira
    @WolfieSilveira 10 лет назад +8

    In Denmark we also have Remolade, but it's not a sauce, more like a dressing that goes with sausages or hot dogs like ketchup or mustard. Oh and it's yellow here. but it do contain about the same things like this recipe :)

    • @keenedge100
      @keenedge100 10 лет назад

      Wouldn't you say that your Danish remoulade "dressing" is the same consistency as our American remoulade "sauce" and are actually the same thing?

    • @pushkina1224
      @pushkina1224 10 лет назад

      keenedge100
      It's the same.

    • @WolfieSilveira
      @WolfieSilveira 10 лет назад

      maybe I dont know

    • @MarkGraydk
      @MarkGraydk 10 лет назад +2

      keenedge100 It's just a slightly different variant. Turmeric is added for color, sometimes also curry powder. Some also contain cabbage, especially the store-bought versions.

  • @califdad4
    @califdad4 10 лет назад

    I haven't figured out how they do it, but the tartar sauce at Red Lobster is wonderful, its the best I have ever had

  • @charlotte4112
    @charlotte4112 10 лет назад

    And if you add grated celeriac then you get...celeri remoulade! Yes, the famous French salad. I made it once by replacing the mayonnaise with yogurt and it was super tasty :-).

  • @markw208
    @markw208 Год назад

    Impressive. I had no idea this is what tartar sauce is supposed to resemble. All that I have ever seen is the white glop on fish sandwiches from fast food places.

  • @ginadisbrow9324
    @ginadisbrow9324 3 года назад

    This looks so delicious! I keep watching the seafood market hoping the price of fresh lump crab will come down, but they're keeping it sky high. And I desperately don't want to settle for canned! I guess if I really want to try this recipe (and I do), I'll have to just fry some shrimp
    or fish.

  • @KingDoomfist
    @KingDoomfist Год назад

    I... I AM the Boss of my Sauce! *Walks away insanely confident*

  • @Squiddlezz
    @Squiddlezz 10 лет назад

    This looks totally yummy chef John! Must try this out next time I make salmon cakes ^^

  • @pedmst
    @pedmst 4 года назад

    Looks splendid. Not sure about capers and anchovies. Isn't it quite salty?

  • @r0b0gam3r9
    @r0b0gam3r9 2 года назад

    Fish and tartar sauce is delicious. Just keep it simple.

  • @Nixie1980
    @Nixie1980 10 лет назад +5

    Chef John, when are we gonna get ya on XBMC, buddy?
    We already got Laura In The Kitchen but we need you too. XBMC is not complete without ya, it's almost like missing that one oh-so very special ingredient ~

  • @y2ksw1
    @y2ksw1 4 года назад

    In fact it's so delicious I fall for it too often 😄

  • @bloodandwinearered
    @bloodandwinearered 10 лет назад

    Thanks for this. With the salmon cakes this makes a perfect dinner for my vegetarian friend that eats fish. I too shall enjoy it thoroughly

  • @laurasingleton301
    @laurasingleton301 4 года назад

    Your recipes seriously always hit. Tonight I made your crab cake, the remoulade and your FONDANT POTATOS!!! Damn those pots came out sexy!! They were the first recipe on my new cast iron. Thank you for your knowledge!

  • @selfreflection9782
    @selfreflection9782 3 года назад

    Thank you for the recipe.

  • @irfan_buzz
    @irfan_buzz 2 месяца назад

    Very nice recipe sir - I have a question- can I skip onion - and add orange juice- - I have always making with orange juice it was very delicious-

  • @Boscofriend
    @Boscofriend 3 года назад

    Great episode! Yes, tartare sauce on a burger is nice.

  • @alexamheying8487
    @alexamheying8487 9 лет назад

    +David Kramme Thank you. Nothing but love for Chef John. Jus' sayin'. Its a subjective art.

  • @moonstone1159
    @moonstone1159 3 года назад

    Looks soooo good!

  • @Zeis
    @Zeis 10 лет назад +1

    You forgot to add fresh lemon juice, freeeshly chopped chives and thinly diced boiled egg to make it a traditional Remoulade.
    Works amazingly well with roast beef, by the way. It's even better if you make the Mayonnaise yourself.

  • @gitaxias
    @gitaxias 10 лет назад

    oh ma godd! I am actually drooling while I watched this!

  • @hosebeatings4616
    @hosebeatings4616 10 лет назад

    Seconding the hamburger recommendation. I discovered this accidentally one night when I ordered a burger "with everything on it" at a little cafe that was run by foreigners and served fish. They took "everything on it" as "grab every single condiment we have, including tartar sauce, and throw it on there," and it was Glorious.

  • @kilobelo3804
    @kilobelo3804 3 года назад

    You can also add a little bit of sugar too , it goes really well with this sauce

  • @Sabel12
    @Sabel12 10 лет назад

    I love the Danish style Remoulade with curry and nicer colour.

  • @IGotItLikeThat
    @IGotItLikeThat 10 лет назад

    Awesome. Now I can upgrade from my simple mixture of mayo, relish, and cayenne.

  • @keithnicholls100
    @keithnicholls100 7 лет назад

    Another excellent recipe and it really works with your salmon cakes which are also great, keep them coming - Keith UK

  • @knifeforkandaspoon
    @knifeforkandaspoon 10 лет назад +1

    I don't have a remoulade bowl, can I use a tartar sauce bowl in its stead?

  • @maryandchild
    @maryandchild 7 лет назад +4

    it's very interesting that chef john still calls it 'hellmans' since hellmans mayo is called 'best foods mayo' on the west coast

    • @jharri1
      @jharri1 4 года назад

      but it is still Hellman's east of the rockies.

  • @GroundThing
    @GroundThing 4 года назад

    Honestly never thought about using it on a burger, but in hindsight, it's not too far off from a fancier Big Mac sauce, just with the mustard scaled back, so I bet it'd go great.

  • @Guineapigchannel568
    @Guineapigchannel568 10 лет назад

    Yum! What brand pan is that?

  • @davenatale850
    @davenatale850 3 года назад

    Great looking sauce. I'm thinking reduce the pickles by half, or not, and use this to mix up some tuna salad. Maybe even swap out the dill pickles with some sweet pickled peppers. Seems like it could work.

  • @Blueeyedjenn14
    @Blueeyedjenn14 5 лет назад

    I love tarragon vinegar, I use it on my salads, egg salad, on my fries (yes instead of malt) but I buy it already made that way lol :)

  • @villagesteader3552
    @villagesteader3552 6 месяцев назад

    Smellsman’s is my favorite Mayo, even better than my homemade, well not better, just more consistent!

  • @barnaliskitchen
    @barnaliskitchen 10 лет назад

    Thats looking so good !!

  • @WOMPITUS
    @WOMPITUS 4 года назад

    Tarter and remoulade are two different things in Louisiana. Tarter is for seafood and remoulade is for everything lol. Yours looks great.

  • @rupman27isback
    @rupman27isback 4 года назад +1

    Damn, that's the most ingredients I've ever seen in a tartar sauce recipe!

  • @richardwoods4821
    @richardwoods4821 2 года назад

    Silly question perhaps but would pickle brine work in place of the vinegar for the reduction?