The judges were jaw dropped because she was in the air when they hadn't seen her run up, block off the table etc they cant just score her landing they have to see everything
There's also judges on both sides, so you saw the one side in the replay, but there's judges on both sides, so the ones on the other side were probably not ready.
Can't believe no one yelled at her to stop once she had saluted (coach or someone), but before she started running. That was a beautiful second vault. And, yes, this was her second Olympics, and I do believe someone must have cued her. Surely more of a rest, rather than a very short rest, between vaults, benefits the gymnast. But once a judge cues you, then you HAVE to start your vault, yes?
If her coach or any of her teammates would have screamed for her to stop, that would’ve most likely counted as communicating with them, and thus incurred a point loss. Maybe they thought the judges would still give her the scores, or nobody noticed the stoplight was still on. She likely just started due to habit.
To be on the safe side I would’ve just waited for the light to turn green and glance over at the board to see the green ‘Go’ sign. Even if Pavlova thought she was given a signal or a flag from the judge, I would have just waited for the signs and lights. Poor Pavlova…I wonder had she hit and the vault had been counted she could’ve perhaps won bronze.
i just have a hard time believing that SOMEONE didnt prompt her to go somehow. She obviously saw a flag raised or something, otherwise she wouldn't have even saluted when she did.
@@josephqualtier961 it’s part of the training of every gymnast from entry level to elite. If you watch, one of the judges makes an arm motion that could have been misconstrued. It’s still the athletes’ responsibility to make sure things are completely ready for her though.
Imagine going through all those years of grueling training sessions for this to happen 😥 honestly my favorite gymnast of all time and probably always will be ❤
Yes, it is in front and behind. You can see it at the end of the runway in the replays. Obviously, Anna thought she received a signal from the judge, but the light was not changed for some reason {whether the judges made a mistake, or Anna went to early.} I don't know exactly what happened {no one else seemed to notice that she went too early} but my heart breaks for her!
I think it was a combination of things. Someone did make a gesture that could have been misconstrued, she went a little too early… and you know the outcome. What is so disappointing is that she was shunned after these games- in spite of still having plenty to offer to the sport. It was a shame as I was hoping she’d give London a go but alas.
I would've loved to have seen this from another angle because either someone cued her, she was too into or concentrated on her vault or something for her to have done what she did
It was likely a combination of things. She admitted later that regardless, it was on her for it but I definitely agree that something must have caused her to go.
I can’t believe that an experienced 2 time Olympian gymnast like her decided to go for a vault just like that, without having received a signal from the judges. Her mistake was maybe not to check the light but when a judge gives you a signal that means “go now” with a hand gesture or a flag, you go, especially in a crucial competition like this because you don’t want to keep them waiting. So it would be interesting to know what made her make the decision. There’s always 2 sides to a story.
She needed to get a 9.9 in execution to tie with Cheng Fei. There's the slide back, landing with the feet apart and the leg separation in the second flight phase. I love Pavlova and her elegance but really I think the only medals she was really "robbed" of was the 2004 AA bronze.
@@colesmith7509nfortunately the reality in beam final was she had a start value that would have challenged for bronze- WITH every element included. When she missed the back dive with half turn she lowered the start value enough that the bronze was out of reach. As much as her routine seemed (by comparison) cleaner than Cheng Fei, Cheng still had the SV to outscore her. In 2004 AA she didn’t have a strong enough bars routine to take the bronze. If you wanted a medal that day you needed a 10 SV on all four events. She was robbed- but only by her own errors and strength of routines, not by any judge.
Underrated? Unfortunately not really. There were many others, even from her own country who were far better and more consistent. It’s why they contended for GOLD- and she did not. I blame a lot of that on her coaching- she had potential but it was never brought out.
@@saragrant9749 Oh, goodie. I'm glad that you are for pushing the envelope for excellence. There's quite a controversy about pushing athletes too hard in their sports. No excellence can be had without the hard work.
@@TheHare-rv3hj excellence comes with hard work. It also comes from knowing what an athlete is capable of and capitalizing on that. It can be easily achieved without pushing beyond an athlete’s limits. Anna’s coach never did that- at all. Her floor was a classic example. She could have easily incorporated much more valuable dance elements- without sacrificing grace or elegance at all- and easily contended for a floor medal (sans the fall of course). Bars was the only place I really felt she had pretty much maximized her potential. It just seemed an event she wasn’t very comfortable on, something common in many gymnasts.
@@TheHare-rv3hj I was an athlete myself, then a coach for a bit- not in gymnastics but the concept remains the same. You take the capabilities of the athlete you have an maximize what’s there. Every commentator at those Beijing Olympics remarked at how much the Russians gave away on both bars and floor. They did not take maximum advantage of the code given and it, coupled with multiple mistakes kept them off the podium. The only real solid star on that team ended up being Semenova- who performed brilliantly. Even her routines though- bars especially- gave valuable tenths to others in SV. Tough to overcome in a field that stacked.
I think almost everyone agrees on that. Cheng Fei fell but Pavlova vaulted without the green light. If anything, Sacramone should have gotten that bronze.
Sacramone’s vaults were great. I wish she had won bronze as well, but Cheng had two 6.5 SV vaults and the first vault was so well-executed, she was able to squeak by for the win. Even though I was upset Sacramone didn’t medal, I was also just as upset Cheng fell on her 2nd vault. She had the potential to win 2 individual golds.
Where was this "stop" sign in relation to the gymnasts? If it is at the end of the vault, how can they see it well. Also, Don't the gymnasts have to wait for a judges flag or something before they salute and start? If she was given the sign to vault and then they decided they weren't ready, isn't that their fault?
1:15 do you really think she could see a "STOP" sign, at that size, in the low, across de vault table and judges panel, 25 meters distant of her position? Gymnasts don't go running randomly, If she runt, was because someone made her believe she could go.
Technical errors of the judges, the innocent Anna bears the consequence. Is that logically justified? I am sure Anna is experienced enough to know the rules. The judges must have raised the red flag. But somehow the red light was on. I hope the one who was supposed to press the button to change the red light to a green one understood that what he or she had done is not just a vault score, but the effort of a gymnast who has been training 10+ years to reach that level.
I know it's 6 years late (lol), but the one she has to look for is the flag, not the light. So even if the light is red or green or whatever it is, if the judges haven't raised the flag, you don't go, as simple as that. It was not the judges' error, it was her who didn't pay attention to the judges (I don't blame her though, she was probably nervous).
The only one at fault is Ana herself- and she said just that. The judges are not responsible for the CHOICE an athlete makes to not observe that the red light is still on.
It's unfortunate for her but not unfair. The rules are there for a reason and if they changed it for one person it would have been unfair for the rest.
delaneymarie I’m not being rude but what happens if you did a good vault and it would be a 10.00 and the judges didn’t see you, wouldn’t you feel upset? But I’m saying that everyone’s saying it’s unfair because they are annoying and we all know rules are rules
I absolutely love her and I wish she was still competing!!! It’s so unfortunate but rules are there for a reason!!! Stop and think for a minute, she either didn’t notice the stop sign or she was looking at her previous score, whatever the case, it was a mistake. Everyone saying she deserved another vault, then someone who falls off the bars could say, “oh wait, my grips were not tight enough” or “I wasn’t square with the beam and that’s why I fell off”...it sucks but that’s just the way it is. You’d think her mom would’ve been making sure everything was good to go. I guess maybe it was adrenaline that had her going and they didn’t even think about it!!! She was robbed of the bronze in the AA here and I think in Athens as well!!! She may not have the medals but she is certainly remembered bc she could never catch a break. I adore her and I hate it for her, especially what happened here but it is what it is!
@@minion0777by herself only, and she stated as such. You seem hung up on blaming everyone else for a mistake SHE made- and admitted to. You want real robbery? How about the way her own country treated her after this! They completely blackballed her, forcing her to compete for a completely different country to stay in the sport. That’s pure selfish nonsense.
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I imagine she had a cry later on, after it was done. Remember, she still had floor to come that day and needed to maintain focus for that. Unfortunately- we all know how that ended.
I feel for her - but regardless of whether she received a signal from someone, as part of her participation and performance it was also her job to check to make sure her go light was on. On both ends of the apparatus there is a light or signal that tells her if she's got a go or not. There is a stop sign next to her name in the replays when they show the screen she could see - that makes it her fault unfortunately, even if all the judges were watching. Rules are there for a reason, and she broke one. Which sucks because she might have won with that vault.
So sad. I think she saw the screen change from "Pavlova Anna Vault 1: 15.625” to "Vault 2 Pavlova Anna 5.31 5.6" and it does say stop or wait for a moment when the screen changes . Sad mistake. I bet they ju g ed the vault anyway.
I see it across the board now...I see gymnast from Mexico who are doing routines as clean as Wieber and Aly on floor but they are getting lower execution scores..floor is the lowest scoring and there really are not that many different moves that a gymnast can do to get a d score over 6.5..but if a gymnast has a start value of 5.0 and does the routine a best as she can I don't feel the judges would give her anything over a 9.0 and that is what is wrong with the scoring.
I recall that in the 2004 qualifications the Russians had to be inthe morning session and were really getting hit hard on floor. Zamo had a 9.2 and Khorkina a 9.5 for a hit routine. The only place I really see the "lower SV, lower execution" is on vault. The fact that in 2008 AA, Nastia's 1.5 was only 0.2 better than Semenova's hot mess of a 1.5. Also Anna's FX starts out of a 5.9 and she got an execution of 9.15 Yang has a 6.2 and got an 8.8.
Ahhh.... People can have 1,000 different opinions on this or WHY it shouldn't have happened or "how it could have been avoided!" But the SAD & honestly truth is- stuff like this just DOES happen sometimes at ALL levels of every sport- and unfortunately for some, it happens at the Highest levels & at their BIGGEST moments like during an Olympic FINAL!!! and, honestly, it's usually 100% the ATHLETE'S fault! It's a stupid little error she's probably NEVER DONE BEFORE, will NEVER do AGAIN- she probably was perfectly well aware of the rules and just had a fluke.... It happens to everyone! (And now it's STORY TIME for my experience with this happening to someone competing at the highest level of competition in my sport as well as when something similar happened to ME PERSONALLYat a pretty high level, too! This is a long, rambling story- because I kind of had fun remeniscing about it here- so- please skip here if you don't wanna read all this& don't leave me some snippy ass comment aboutMY absurdly LONG comment, because I'm WELL AWARE!!! SO, i was grooming & braiding for this lady & her horse at the Rolex Kentucky CCI4**** 3 Day Event (It's like an equestrian triathlon!) About 12yrs ago- there are only a few competitions of this level in the entire WORLD held each season- they're actually HARDER than the Olympics (they're 3 phases & the 2nd phase- cross country jumping- in the big CCI4**** Events is actually longer & MORE difficult in these events than it is in the Olympics even- there's only like 5 in the wge world every year & there are 3 NOTORIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY most difficult of ALL- Rolex, Kentucky, Badminton in Germany and Burghley in England) So, it's the TOUGHEST of the tough- most top event riders might go their entire lives and just be happy having come in the top 25 or just COMPLETING each of those top 3 events in the world- and finishing even ONE in the top 10 or top 5 in your career might be the absolute highlight of your entire LIFE and career- it's NO SMALL FEAT- only 2 horses & riders in history have EVER won all 3- it's MUCH HARDER than winning the triple crown in flat thoroughbred racing, but, it's not a "money sport," so, most people have never even heard of it! Clearly though just to GET to the point where youre riding at that level & doing so with even the whisper of a notion that you could finish in the top 10, well, you've probably been working for that for 15,20yrs- your whole LIFE! you know the rule book inside and out! But this woman I groomed for& braided her horse before Show Jumping on the final day...?!? She was LEADING- first place out of 70-some horse& rider pairs & she even had a rail in hand going I to stadium on the last day- meaning she could even knock a rail down and STILL have won cuz she was over 4pts ahead of 2nd place- which is AMAZING- That's like Simone going into floor a full fall/full point ahead of her next closest competitor! (But, also, only if EVERYONE had the same D score in floor lol that's the only way it's be the same!) This woman was jumping a picture perfect round- she was 3 jumps from the finish & hadn't hit one rail- And she just.... Had a COMPLETE Brain fart?! She landed off of the double combination at fence 10 a b then turned and jumped fence 11 THE WRONG DIRECTION!!! Which couldn't have been EASY even because that would have messed up the flow of the entire course & the fences are set up to BE approached & jumped a certain direction- and besides THAT- you walk your course on foot multiple times, watch other riders jump it before you- talk about how you're gonna ride it with your coach- you have the course memorized like the back of your hand when you enter that arena to do your round!! But... Sometimes... We behave like the truly INCONSISTENT, imperfect human beings we ARE, and we make the DUMBEST mistakes that you wouldn't expect even a 9yo at their first competition to make!!! So. As soon as she jumped that fence the wrong way- whistle got blown & she was immediately DQ'd. Went from being 3 jumps away from winning the biggest competition in her life- one of the hardest in the whole world- to being disqualified in just those few seconds it took her start heading the wrong direction & jump that fence the wrong way!!! And you KNOW everyone watching- especially the other competitors/riders- were all watching and probably even saying outloud (to themselves- because yeah if you get outside "unauthorized assistance," you can also be immediately DQ'd, so, people usually try to keep their voices down because of this lol) but we are ALL watching and screaming OMG MAGGIE NOOOO MAAAGGIE STOP WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING- GO THE OTHER WAAAAY- NO NO NOOO DONT DO IT- DONT- She did it. Omg. She really just did that." Andas soon as the whistle gets blown at her, she realized what she did& there's nothing to do but just grimace, shrug your shoulders & shake your head at yourself for making such an IDIOTIC mistake!!! One you'll NEVER make again, but, man, why, the ONE & ONLY TIME YOU DID IT, DID IT HAVE TO BE ON THE BIGGEST STAGE OF YOUR LIFE?! maybe cuz life has a sick sense of humor SOMETIMES?! I have some of my own personal experience with this type of this as well & yup. It's 100% MY FAULT, I never did it before than and I never did it again AFTER.... mine wasn't like it as at the biggest Event in the world or at the Olympics.... But. It WAS when I moved my 5yo up to his first international level competition when I was 18, I had a nearly foot perfect cross country round going for me so far, and even jumped the final combination taking the harder, faster option/route than the line we had planned when I walked on foot because my guy felt SOOO ON that day, I felt like we could have done ANYTHING!!I I finished only a few seconds slow/over time& would have bumped up to be in a tie for 2nd place even after cross country... But INSTEAD?! My entire walk back to my stall, I had people giving me the "sad face" and asking me "aww WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE?!" and I was honestly CONFUSED, because we clearly FINISHED the course- It's pretty obvious if someone doesn't FINISH & if they didn't finish, it clearly went poorly somewhere or you or your horse fell- something bad! But when people I passed by whom I knew asked me that I was just like "why are u asking it like THAT?! He was A ROCKSTAR!!! it was FANTASTIC- I couldn't have asked him for any more- we jumped clear!!! A few seconds slow, but we jumped clear on our very first Preliminary Cross Country together & he just turned 5 last month- I'm ECSTATIC!!" Well. Later on as I was untacking & starting to ice my horses legs, someone from my barn who was watching me on XC came up to me & asked "hey Carlie, were kinda confused- we saw you FINISH- so which jump was it that you MISSED?!" I was crouched down under my horse looking up at her from beneath the brim of my hat like, "duuhhhrrr'SCUze meeee WHAT?! 'missed WHAT jump'?! I ask you the same thing back cuz NOOOO, WE JUMPED CLEAN!!! We didn't get DQ'd/miss a fence- we went Clean- it was AWESOME!" And she kept talking to me and was like "are u SURE?! because I was standing right next to someone with a radio & they kept saying your name & number was Eliminated for missing a fence- but we figured it must have been one so close to the finish that they didn't even have the time to pull you up to stop you before you finished the course, so it sounds like you missed one close to the end maybe....?" And I got really quiet & started reviewing the whole course& each fence again in my head compared to my walk of the course & the map... And I got to fence 23AB, then 25- wait wait.... There WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A #24 IN THERE, WASNT THERE?! Omg. Yup. Fence 23AB was the combo we jumped like Champs that we weren't even planning on until we got to it on course- and I was clearly SO excited that we had just nailed that combo & were only a couple simple, single fences from the finish that I did just BLOW RIGHT PAST the NEXT Fence, which was literally the EASIEST fence on the entire course- it was one from the level below mine & was even called the "speed bump," just a post & rail fence along the trees in-between the last combo fence & the big drop down bank that was the 2nd to last! Yup. Everyone WAS RIGHT- I HAD EFFED THAT ONE UP!!!! Instead of having a GREAT, nearly perfect first international cross country round- where we would have finished the competition in 2nd or 3rd- iiiiinstead, we got ELIMINATED because we missed a fence on Xc on day 2!!! in the 10 or so years I had been competing BEFORE THAT, I HAD NEVER made that mistake! and in the 10-ish years SINCE, I've never done it AGAIN either! Was it so easily avoidable and one of the dumbest things I've ever done as a rider?! Yup. And who's fault was it?! 100% MINE!!! Mine mine MINE!!! I think this stuff can and DOES HAPPEN TO EVERYONE at every level of competition in every sport- and it SUCKS- but, it happens to the best of us and we have to just learn to shake it off & learn from our mistake and try to NEVERRRRR MAKE THAT STOOOOPID ONE EVERRR EVER AGAIN!!! Sure she NEVER Did this before or again either!!!! Lol
They may be done but it doesn't mean that they're ready to judge the skill. They need time to prepare. I've taken a few judging courses and it's hard. I mean you basically sit there and try to get all the deductions you can see in one go andtry to get it right.
@@jv-ci5ob everyone makes mistakes, it was her decision to do that, it would have been unfair to her competition if she had been stopped and had a do over.
That was so stupid..I don't understand how they were not ready...I mean they already had the score for the first vault, they put up the information for the second vault...so what the hell were the judges doing?
Probably making sure their computers were ready for vault two, any technical equipment was properly reset, etc. Unless you’ve sat in the shoes of the judges you are in no position to criticize.
Her style is so serious but warming, she looked focused, georgeous and such clean is a shame she doesn’t notice the red light. That mistake ruined her participation on this games.
Everybody howls UNFAIR but it's not. She's one of my fave gymnast ever and it breaks my heart for her but people need to understand that paying attention is very necessary.
@gymnastics123alice No doubt, but in terms of execution, Alicia had the highest scores of the night. Pavs was a little messy, but hey, it's still an impressive Amanar.
Im not saying she wasn't just unfairly scored am I saying that it is a result of the Code of points...Yang sucked on 3 events and did great on bars..I believe Pavlova outscored yang 3 out of 4 events...conclusion bars was an overscored app all together. Of course everyone had high D scores...IMO this way of scoring you will never have a true all around gymnast. I believe Pavlova was more of an All round gymnast than some that beat her in the AA even Semenova.
Pavlova was in NO way a better AA gymnast than Seminova in this competition. Ksenia had a strong beam, floor and vault PLUS a very high start value on bars. Anna was strong on three apparatus but so weak on bars it was ridiculous. If you want to contend for an AA medal you have to adapt to the code you’re given as well as possible- and she DID NOT. Period. She was an excellent THREE EVENT gymnast.
Doing a routine "as best as she can" doesn't justify a 9.0. The idea of a true all-arounder died in 2000. I have hope that the new CoP 2013-2016 will bring more parity to the events, at least thats what the drafts imply.
I seen a video clip of her no longer under competing for Russia but for country Azerbaijan, plus a new coach. Im guessing its because of this incident. Perhaps her coach cued her...
She was blackballed by those horrible monsters that country laughingly called coaches. Others made mistakes too but she was targeted for some reason. It’s disgusting as I think she still had something to offer in the sport.
@@delaneymarie9698it’s still ok to feel sympathy for her. We’ve all made mistakes at critical times- even you. Perfect example is your asinine response.
The flash you speak of was an unplanned and unexpected distraction that the judges did not have anything to do with. It’s like interference in other sports. THIS- was pure ATHLETE error and nothing more. There are rules for a reason.
She still had floor to compete a little while later so I suspect she held back to try to keep her focus strong for the work still to come. I’m sure at the end of that day though, the tears came- understandably.
and the fact she didn't make floor finals in 2004..lol...judging was very different so I can understand but really a gymnast like pavlova for some reason gets screwed lol...I mean in the 2008 AA floor routine scored .050 more that Yangs...so crazy the scoring was. It seems that the lower your start value the lower your execution scores...its not suppose to be like that but if a gymnast did a 3.8 difficulty routine would she ever get above a 9.6 in execution? Just go back to the perfect 10 lol
The reason she didn’t make floor final in 2004 was dance elements. That code was super picky about them, and she had one turn in particular that was always incomplete- in quals, team, AA everything. It kept getting devalued and thus lowered her SV. Just like everyone though, it was the same system- take advantage, utilize it the best and DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES.
@HDgymnastics But why? I agree she deserved a medal but not here on vault. She would have needed to get a perfect score on her second vault to put her past Cheng Fei. She deserves a medal but she made mistakes in Beijing that kept her out of the medals there.
The judges are NOT responsible for the athlete’s CHOICE to not observe that the light is the proper color. Blaming others for an individual’s actions and choices is the act of children.
That must be hard....I just think that they have been giving Pavlova some hard judging this olympics...I mean she had to fight for her scores in the AA...she always gets treated like crap at the Olympics
She made errors in AA that were rightly deducted, her bars SV was 2 points less than the medalists, and others just hit cleaner. She wasn’t targeted, she was judged by those little things we call RULES.
She just doesn't have the difficulty. She was pretty fairly scored in the AA. She had a combined D-score of 23.8. Shawn had 26.3, Nastia had 26.0, Yang Yilin had 26.3, Ksenia Semenova had 25.2, Nistor had 25.1 and Jiang Yuyuang had 26.3.
And her biggest downfall was bars- in 2004 and 2008. She never had a really strong bars set before, but in this system a 5.7 difficulty when the medalists were all at 7.6-7.7 is such a substantial difference she could never make up for it. In vault… it’s not out of the realm of possibility without the premature second vault, but everywhere else there just wasn’t any room for even a slight mistake. On beam she had just enough difficulty to contend for bronze… until that missed element. What a feel for her is the way Russia treated her after- they just dismissed her completely and forced her to change countries to continue. I feel she still had something she could have offered.
@@minion0777 why would they ask her to go if they weren't ready to judge yet? What logical explanation can you possibly come up with that would explain that?
Absolutely not. The rules are clear cut, SHE made the choice to go without verifying that the light was green, and therefore the outcome is correct. She stated just that.
The vault final score is the average of two vaults. For example, the average of 15.625 and if she had scored let's just say a 15.45 would be 15.537. On the same note, the average of 15.625 and 0 is effectively half of 15.625, which is 7.812 (allow for some fudging). Allowing her to keep her first vault score without averaging would not be fair, because then ANY gymnast in the final could have said "My first/second vault was the higher score, I want to keep that score instead of averaging it with the other." and it doesn't actually show competency in the apparatus, it only shows competency with a single vault, which is why we have certain rules in the first place, such as doing two vaults of different entry directions.
Anna Pavlova is about as good as Nastia and Shawn but she's lost to Cheng Fei?? Chinese judges are making all kind of excuses to make their gymnast win!
Anna made the mistake to go too early HERSELF. That has absolutely nothing to do with the judges. She stated herself that it was her own fault. Why that concept eludes you is a mystery.
By herself only. She went prematurely and the outcome was clear cut and by the rules- you know, those things EVERY elite or amateur gymnast knows about. She stated as such herself.
No, they wouldn’t have. Rules are rules, the outcome would have been such no matter what country the gymnast was from. You are just angry your chosen athlete made a mistake and have to childishly find excuses.
No, it isn’t. She knew the rules, she didn’t make sure the light was green and therefore it was on her alone. She said just that herself, you just don’t want to see it that way.
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"Judges aren't ready to be watching you.." funny because the judges are jaw-dropped staring at her while she flip and twist in the air.
They weren't ready when she started, not while she was going
The judges were jaw dropped because she was in the air when they hadn't seen her run up, block off the table etc they cant just score her landing they have to see everything
There's also judges on both sides, so you saw the one side in the replay, but there's judges on both sides, so the ones on the other side were probably not ready.
Can't believe no one yelled at her to stop once she had saluted (coach or someone), but before she started running. That was a beautiful second vault. And, yes, this was her second Olympics, and I do believe someone must have cued her. Surely more of a rest, rather than a very short rest, between vaults, benefits the gymnast. But once a judge cues you, then you HAVE to start your vault, yes?
If her coach or any of her teammates would have screamed for her to stop, that would’ve most likely counted as communicating with them, and thus incurred a point loss. Maybe they thought the judges would still give her the scores, or nobody noticed the stoplight was still on. She likely just started due to habit.
Yea, someone is respondible for this!!!
@@CHRISTALMOUNTAIN the only one responsible for Anna Pavlova's vault is Anna Pavlova, and she stated as such.
To be on the safe side I would’ve just waited for the light to turn green and glance over at the board to see the green ‘Go’ sign. Even if Pavlova thought she was given a signal or a flag from the judge, I would have just waited for the signs and lights. Poor Pavlova…I wonder had she hit and the vault had been counted she could’ve perhaps won bronze.
@@UnequivocallyMEit would have been tough, given what that vault had been scoring previously. She might have though.. we’ll never know sadly.
i just have a hard time believing that SOMEONE didnt prompt her to go somehow. She obviously saw a flag raised or something, otherwise she wouldn't have even saluted when she did.
Yes, but she also should know to check that stop sign on the screen...
@@lunabelletheinsane that screen is behind her, why would she check?
@@josephqualtier961 it’s part of the training of every gymnast from entry level to elite. If you watch, one of the judges makes an arm motion that could have been misconstrued. It’s still the athletes’ responsibility to make sure things are completely ready for her though.
@@saragrant9749not really
@@josephqualtier961yes, really. You can keep making excuses all you want, the reality was- SHE SAID IT WAS HER OWN MISTAKE!
Imagine going through all those years of grueling training sessions for this to happen 😥 honestly my favorite gymnast of all time and probably always will be ❤
Yes, it is in front and behind. You can see it at the end of the runway in the replays. Obviously, Anna thought she received a signal from the judge, but the light was not changed for some reason {whether the judges made a mistake, or Anna went to early.} I don't know exactly what happened {no one else seemed to notice that she went too early} but my heart breaks for her!
She was robbed. That's what happened.
@@minion0777 no one was robbed. She admitted herself that she was the one who didn't make sure she had a green light.
@@fayeslover well ofc she’d say that but she probably had some sort of cue
I think it was a combination of things. Someone did make a gesture that could have been misconstrued, she went a little too early… and you know the outcome. What is so disappointing is that she was shunned after these games- in spite of still having plenty to offer to the sport. It was a shame as I was hoping she’d give London a go but alas.
I would've loved to have seen this from another angle because either someone cued her, she was too into or concentrated on her vault or something for her to have done what she did
@Davy Lau probably so 👍
It was likely a combination of things. She admitted later that regardless, it was on her for it but I definitely agree that something must have caused her to go.
I can’t believe that an experienced 2 time Olympian gymnast like her decided to go for a vault just like that, without having received a signal from the judges. Her mistake was maybe not to check the light but when a judge gives you a signal that means “go now” with a hand gesture or a flag, you go, especially in a crucial competition like this because you don’t want to keep them waiting. So it would be interesting to know what made her make the decision. There’s always 2 sides to a story.
But if the judges had signaled her, they would have judged her, wouldn't they?
She needed to get a 9.9 in execution to tie with Cheng Fei. There's the slide back, landing with the feet apart and the leg separation in the second flight phase. I love Pavlova and her elegance but really I think the only medals she was really "robbed" of was the 2004 AA bronze.
And the 2008 beam final.
@@bluepanther1013 She made too many sticks during the beam final as well.
Her score should’ve significantly beaten Cheng Fei’s in the beam final
@@colesmith7509nfortunately the reality in beam final was she had a start value that would have challenged for bronze- WITH every element included. When she missed the back dive with half turn she lowered the start value enough that the bronze was out of reach. As much as her routine seemed (by comparison) cleaner than Cheng Fei, Cheng still had the SV to outscore her. In 2004 AA she didn’t have a strong enough bars routine to take the bronze. If you wanted a medal that day you needed a 10 SV on all four events. She was robbed- but only by her own errors and strength of routines, not by any judge.
Highly underrated gymnast.
Underrated? Unfortunately not really. There were many others, even from her own country who were far better and more consistent. It’s why they contended for GOLD- and she did not. I blame a lot of that on her coaching- she had potential but it was never brought out.
@@saragrant9749 Oh, goodie. I'm glad that you are for pushing the envelope for excellence. There's quite a controversy about pushing athletes too hard in their sports. No excellence can be had without the hard work.
@@TheHare-rv3hj excellence comes with hard work. It also comes from knowing what an athlete is capable of and capitalizing on that. It can be easily achieved without pushing beyond an athlete’s limits. Anna’s coach never did that- at all. Her floor was a classic example. She could have easily incorporated much more valuable dance elements- without sacrificing grace or elegance at all- and easily contended for a floor medal (sans the fall of course). Bars was the only place I really felt she had pretty much maximized her potential. It just seemed an event she wasn’t very comfortable on, something common in many gymnasts.
@@saragrant9749 What is your expertise on this subject? Thanks.
@@TheHare-rv3hj I was an athlete myself, then a coach for a bit- not in gymnastics but the concept remains the same. You take the capabilities of the athlete you have an maximize what’s there. Every commentator at those Beijing Olympics remarked at how much the Russians gave away on both bars and floor. They did not take maximum advantage of the code given and it, coupled with multiple mistakes kept them off the podium. The only real solid star on that team ended up being Semenova- who performed brilliantly. Even her routines though- bars especially- gave valuable tenths to others in SV. Tough to overcome in a field that stacked.
Pavlova went through so much during her career…
That was her and her coaches fault.
When she stars running you can see the red light behind her. In the replay you can see the stop sign on the board.
I think almost everyone agrees on that. Cheng Fei fell but Pavlova vaulted without the green light. If anything, Sacramone should have gotten that bronze.
I agree, I thought she had the best vault
Sacramone’s vaults were great. I wish she had won bronze as well, but Cheng had two 6.5 SV vaults and the first vault was so well-executed, she was able to squeak by for the win. Even though I was upset Sacramone didn’t medal, I was also just as upset Cheng fell on her 2nd vault. She had the potential to win 2 individual golds.
Where was this "stop" sign in relation to the gymnasts? If it is at the end of the vault, how can they see it well. Also, Don't the gymnasts have to wait for a judges flag or something before they salute and start? If she was given the sign to vault and then they decided they weren't ready, isn't that their fault?
calculusfan1 1:30
1:15 do you really think she could see a "STOP" sign, at that size, in the low, across de vault table and judges panel, 25 meters distant of her position? Gymnasts don't go running randomly, If she runt, was because someone made her believe she could go.
@@pedrojorge1912 Yes! I mean, she was a professional gymnast, she is used to wait!
Pedro Jorge C. S. Rodrigues there is a board with a light immediately to her left.
@@pedrojorge1912 there is a board right next to her
PAVLOVA MERECIÓ BRONCE!!!!!!!!!!!
Not here, and not on beam sadly. The missed element lowered her start value enough that it took the bronze out of the equation. Simple as that.
Technical errors of the judges, the innocent Anna bears the consequence. Is that logically justified? I am sure Anna is experienced enough to know the rules. The judges must have raised the red flag. But somehow the red light was on. I hope the one who was supposed to press the button to change the red light to a green one understood that what he or she had done is not just a vault score, but the effort of a gymnast who has been training 10+ years to reach that level.
I know it's 6 years late (lol), but the one she has to look for is the flag, not the light.
So even if the light is red or green or whatever it is, if the judges haven't raised the flag, you don't go, as simple as that.
It was not the judges' error, it was her who didn't pay attention to the judges (I don't blame her though, she was probably nervous).
The only one at fault is Ana herself- and she said just that. The judges are not responsible for the CHOICE an athlete makes to not observe that the red light is still on.
It's unfortunate for her but not unfair. The rules are there for a reason and if they changed it for one person it would have been unfair for the rest.
THANK YOU! these idiots in the comments are just salty. Rules are there for a reason
delaneymarie I’m not being rude but what happens if you did a good vault and it would be a 10.00 and the judges didn’t see you, wouldn’t you feel upset? But I’m saying that everyone’s saying it’s unfair because they are annoying and we all know rules are rules
@@haicao3819 yes you would be upset, and I'm not saying that she can't be upset, but, regardless, she did technically break the rules
This broke my heart.
I absolutely love her and I wish she was still competing!!! It’s so unfortunate but rules are there for a reason!!! Stop and think for a minute, she either didn’t notice the stop sign or she was looking at her previous score, whatever the case, it was a mistake. Everyone saying she deserved another vault, then someone who falls off the bars could say, “oh wait, my grips were not tight enough” or “I wasn’t square with the beam and that’s why I fell off”...it sucks but that’s just the way it is. You’d think her mom would’ve been making sure everything was good to go. I guess maybe it was adrenaline that had her going and they didn’t even think about it!!! She was robbed of the bronze in the AA here and I think in Athens as well!!! She may not have the medals but she is certainly remembered bc she could never catch a break. I adore her and I hate it for her, especially what happened here but it is what it is!
She was robbed. Period.
@@minion0777by herself only, and she stated as such. You seem hung up on blaming everyone else for a mistake SHE made- and admitted to. You want real robbery? How about the way her own country treated her after this! They completely blackballed her, forcing her to compete for a completely different country to stay in the sport. That’s pure selfish nonsense.
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I imagine she had a cry later on, after it was done. Remember, she still had floor to come that day and needed to maintain focus for that. Unfortunately- we all know how that ended.
I feel for her - but regardless of whether she received a signal from someone, as part of her participation and performance it was also her job to check to make sure her go light was on. On both ends of the apparatus there is a light or signal that tells her if she's got a go or not. There is a stop sign next to her name in the replays when they show the screen she could see - that makes it her fault unfortunately, even if all the judges were watching. Rules are there for a reason, and she broke one. Which sucks because she might have won with that vault.
oh shut up
Why did she even go? The red light was on and there was a stop sign next to her name?
So sad. I think she saw the screen change from "Pavlova Anna Vault 1: 15.625” to "Vault 2 Pavlova Anna 5.31 5.6" and it does say stop or wait for a moment when the screen changes . Sad mistake. I bet they ju g ed the vault anyway.
I see it across the board now...I see gymnast from Mexico who are doing routines as clean as Wieber and Aly on floor but they are getting lower execution scores..floor is the lowest scoring and there really are not that many different moves that a gymnast can do to get a d score over 6.5..but if a gymnast has a start value of 5.0 and does the routine a best as she can I don't feel the judges would give her anything over a 9.0 and that is what is wrong with the scoring.
I recall that in the 2004 qualifications the Russians had to be inthe morning session and were really getting hit hard on floor. Zamo had a 9.2 and Khorkina a 9.5 for a hit routine. The only place I really see the "lower SV, lower execution" is on vault. The fact that in 2008 AA, Nastia's 1.5 was only 0.2 better than Semenova's hot mess of a 1.5. Also Anna's FX starts out of a 5.9 and she got an execution of 9.15 Yang has a 6.2 and got an 8.8.
Ahhh.... People can have 1,000 different opinions on this or WHY it shouldn't have happened or "how it could have been avoided!" But the SAD & honestly truth is- stuff like this just DOES happen sometimes at ALL levels of every sport- and unfortunately for some, it happens at the Highest levels & at their BIGGEST moments like during an Olympic FINAL!!! and, honestly, it's usually 100% the ATHLETE'S fault! It's a stupid little error she's probably NEVER DONE BEFORE, will NEVER do AGAIN- she probably was perfectly well aware of the rules and just had a fluke.... It happens to everyone!
(And now it's STORY TIME for my experience with this happening to someone competing at the highest level of competition in my sport as well as when something similar happened to ME PERSONALLYat a pretty high level, too! This is a long, rambling story- because I kind of had fun remeniscing about it here- so- please skip here if you don't wanna read all this& don't leave me some snippy ass comment aboutMY absurdly LONG comment, because I'm WELL AWARE!!!
SO, i was grooming & braiding for this lady & her horse at the Rolex Kentucky CCI4**** 3 Day Event (It's like an equestrian triathlon!) About 12yrs ago- there are only a few competitions of this level in the entire WORLD held each season- they're actually HARDER than the Olympics (they're 3 phases & the 2nd phase- cross country jumping- in the big CCI4**** Events is actually longer & MORE difficult in these events than it is in the Olympics even- there's only like 5 in the wge world every year & there are 3 NOTORIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY most difficult of ALL- Rolex, Kentucky, Badminton in Germany and Burghley in England) So, it's the TOUGHEST of the tough- most top event riders might go their entire lives and just be happy having come in the top 25 or just COMPLETING each of those top 3 events in the world- and finishing even ONE in the top 10 or top 5 in your career might be the absolute highlight of your entire LIFE and career- it's NO SMALL FEAT- only 2 horses & riders in history have EVER won all 3- it's MUCH HARDER than winning the triple crown in flat thoroughbred racing, but, it's not a "money sport," so, most people have never even heard of it!
Clearly though just to GET to the point where youre riding at that level & doing so with even the whisper of a notion that you could finish in the top 10, well, you've probably been working for that for 15,20yrs- your whole LIFE! you know the rule book inside and out!
But this woman I groomed for& braided her horse before Show Jumping on the final day...?!?
She was LEADING- first place out of 70-some horse& rider pairs & she even had a rail in hand going I to stadium on the last day- meaning she could even knock a rail down and STILL have won cuz she was over 4pts ahead of 2nd place- which is AMAZING- That's like Simone going into floor a full fall/full point ahead of her next closest competitor! (But, also, only if EVERYONE had the same D score in floor lol that's the only way it's be the same!)
This woman was jumping a picture perfect round- she was 3 jumps from the finish & hadn't hit one rail- And she just.... Had a COMPLETE Brain fart?!
She landed off of the double combination at fence 10 a b then turned and jumped fence 11 THE WRONG DIRECTION!!! Which couldn't have been EASY even because that would have messed up the flow of the entire course & the fences are set up to BE approached & jumped a certain direction- and besides THAT- you walk your course on foot multiple times, watch other riders jump it before you- talk about how you're gonna ride it with your coach- you have the course memorized like the back of your hand when you enter that arena to do your round!!
But... Sometimes... We behave like the truly INCONSISTENT, imperfect human beings we ARE, and we make the DUMBEST mistakes that you wouldn't expect even a 9yo at their first competition to make!!!
So. As soon as she jumped that fence the wrong way- whistle got blown & she was immediately DQ'd. Went from being 3 jumps away from winning the biggest competition in her life- one of the hardest in the whole world- to being disqualified in just those few seconds it took her start heading the wrong direction & jump that fence the wrong way!!! And you KNOW everyone watching- especially the other competitors/riders- were all watching and probably even saying outloud (to themselves- because yeah if you get outside "unauthorized assistance," you can also be immediately DQ'd, so, people usually try to keep their voices down because of this lol) but we are ALL watching and screaming OMG MAGGIE NOOOO MAAAGGIE STOP WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING- GO THE OTHER WAAAAY- NO NO NOOO DONT DO IT- DONT- She did it. Omg. She really just did that." Andas soon as the whistle gets blown at her, she realized what she did& there's nothing to do but just grimace, shrug your shoulders & shake your head at yourself for making such an IDIOTIC mistake!!!
One you'll NEVER make again, but, man, why, the ONE & ONLY TIME YOU DID IT, DID IT HAVE TO BE ON THE BIGGEST STAGE OF YOUR LIFE?!
maybe cuz life has a sick sense of humor SOMETIMES?!
I have some of my own personal experience with this type of this as well & yup. It's 100% MY FAULT, I never did it before than and I never did it again AFTER.... mine wasn't like it as at the biggest Event in the world or at the Olympics.... But. It WAS when I moved my 5yo up to his first international level competition when I was 18, I had a nearly foot perfect cross country round going for me so far, and even jumped the final combination taking the harder, faster option/route than the line we had planned when I walked on foot because my guy felt SOOO ON that day, I felt like we could have done ANYTHING!!I I finished only a few seconds slow/over time& would have bumped up to be in a tie for 2nd place even after cross country... But INSTEAD?! My entire walk back to my stall, I had people giving me the "sad face" and asking me "aww WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE?!" and I was honestly CONFUSED, because we clearly FINISHED the course- It's pretty obvious if someone doesn't FINISH & if they didn't finish, it clearly went poorly somewhere or you or your horse fell- something bad! But when people I passed by whom I knew asked me that I was just like "why are u asking it like THAT?! He was A ROCKSTAR!!! it was FANTASTIC- I couldn't have asked him for any more- we jumped clear!!! A few seconds slow, but we jumped clear on our very first Preliminary Cross Country together & he just turned 5 last month- I'm ECSTATIC!!"
Well. Later on as I was untacking & starting to ice my horses legs, someone from my barn who was watching me on XC came up to me & asked "hey Carlie, were kinda confused- we saw you FINISH- so which jump was it that you MISSED?!"
I was crouched down under my horse looking up at her from beneath the brim of my hat like, "duuhhhrrr'SCUze meeee WHAT?! 'missed WHAT jump'?! I ask you the same thing back cuz NOOOO, WE JUMPED CLEAN!!! We didn't get DQ'd/miss a fence- we went Clean- it was AWESOME!" And she kept talking to me and was like "are u SURE?! because I was standing right next to someone with a radio & they kept saying your name & number was Eliminated for missing a fence- but we figured it must have been one so close to the finish that they didn't even have the time to pull you up to stop you before you finished the course, so it sounds like you missed one close to the end maybe....?" And I got really quiet & started reviewing the whole course& each fence again in my head compared to my walk of the course & the map... And I got to fence 23AB, then 25- wait wait.... There WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A #24 IN THERE, WASNT THERE?! Omg. Yup. Fence 23AB was the combo we jumped like Champs that we weren't even planning on until we got to it on course- and I was clearly SO excited that we had just nailed that combo & were only a couple simple, single fences from the finish that I did just BLOW RIGHT PAST the NEXT Fence, which was literally the EASIEST fence on the entire course- it was one from the level below mine & was even called the "speed bump," just a post & rail fence along the trees in-between the last combo fence & the big drop down bank that was the 2nd to last! Yup. Everyone WAS RIGHT- I HAD EFFED THAT ONE UP!!!!
Instead of having a GREAT, nearly perfect first international cross country round- where we would have finished the competition in 2nd or 3rd- iiiiinstead, we got ELIMINATED because we missed a fence on Xc on day 2!!! in the 10 or so years I had been competing BEFORE THAT, I HAD NEVER made that mistake! and in the 10-ish years SINCE, I've never done it AGAIN either! Was it so easily avoidable and one of the dumbest things I've ever done as a rider?! Yup. And who's fault was it?! 100% MINE!!! Mine mine MINE!!!
I think this stuff can and DOES HAPPEN TO EVERYONE at every level of competition in every sport- and it SUCKS- but, it happens to the best of us and we have to just learn to shake it off & learn from our mistake and try to NEVERRRRR MAKE THAT STOOOOPID ONE EVERRR EVER AGAIN!!!
Sure she NEVER Did this before or again either!!!! Lol
They may be done but it doesn't mean that they're ready to judge the skill. They need time to prepare. I've taken a few judging courses and it's hard. I mean you basically sit there and try to get all the deductions you can see in one go andtry to get it right.
Yeah that's true, I agree that Sacramone should of gotten bronze, but if Pavlova vaulted with the green light I think she should of medalled.
That's really unfair
NO IT'S NOT. RULES ARE RULES
@@delaneymarie9698
Lmao you're triggered.
@@jv-ci5ob yes, I am. Everyone is saying it was unfair, but the rules are there for a reason, and she broke one, she earned that zero.
@@delaneymarie9698 I agree, but someone should've stopped her, therefore, it was somewhat unfair, though, it was a mistake.
@@jv-ci5ob everyone makes mistakes, it was her decision to do that, it would have been unfair to her competition if she had been stopped and had a do over.
That was so stupid..I don't understand how they were not ready...I mean they already had the score for the first vault, they put up the information for the second vault...so what the hell were the judges doing?
Probably making sure their computers were ready for vault two, any technical equipment was properly reset, etc. Unless you’ve sat in the shoes of the judges you are in no position to criticize.
Her style is so serious but warming, she looked focused, georgeous and such clean is a shame she doesn’t notice the red light. That mistake ruined her participation on this games.
Everybody howls UNFAIR but it's not. She's one of my fave gymnast ever and it breaks my heart for her but people need to understand that paying attention is very necessary.
Yo sí me acuerdo de este episodio de Beijing 2008 pavlova se sacó 0 por no esperar la luz verde en segundo intento salto
Cheng Fei made a huge mistake - she shouldn't of medalled.
which mistake?
@gymnastics123alice No doubt, but in terms of execution, Alicia had the highest scores of the night. Pavs was a little messy, but hey, it's still an impressive Amanar.
it would have been 5th place with around 15.400
@gymnastics123alice If Pavs deserved a medal then Alicia should have been on that podium as well.
@JohnPhilipSousa519 i'm clueless when it comes to scoring, but both of their vaults were great x
Im not saying she wasn't just unfairly scored am I saying that it is a result of the Code of points...Yang sucked on 3 events and did great on bars..I believe Pavlova outscored yang 3 out of 4 events...conclusion bars was an overscored app all together. Of course everyone had high D scores...IMO this way of scoring you will never have a true all around gymnast. I believe Pavlova was more of an All round gymnast than some that beat her in the AA even Semenova.
Pavlova was in NO way a better AA gymnast than Seminova in this competition. Ksenia had a strong beam, floor and vault PLUS a very high start value on bars. Anna was strong on three apparatus but so weak on bars it was ridiculous. If you want to contend for an AA medal you have to adapt to the code you’re given as well as possible- and she DID NOT. Period. She was an excellent THREE EVENT gymnast.
Doing a routine "as best as she can" doesn't justify a 9.0. The idea of a true all-arounder died in 2000. I have hope that the new CoP 2013-2016 will bring more parity to the events, at least thats what the drafts imply.
I seen a video clip of her no longer under competing for Russia but for country Azerbaijan, plus a new coach. Im guessing its because of this incident. Perhaps her coach cued her...
2014
Yes, she lost many medals
She was blackballed by those horrible monsters that country laughingly called coaches. Others made mistakes too but she was targeted for some reason. It’s disgusting as I think she still had something to offer in the sport.
Poor pavlova 😰
No. Rules are rules and she didn't follow them. That's her own fault
@@delaneymarie9698 Shut up
@@delaneymarie9698it’s still ok to feel sympathy for her. We’ve all made mistakes at critical times- even you. Perfect example is your asinine response.
@HDgymnastics ah no :( she so deserved a medal, that vault was great!!x
She should have been given another vault. Just like Tom Daley was allowed another dive when the flash went off. Gymnastics judges are robots.
The flash you speak of was an unplanned and unexpected distraction that the judges did not have anything to do with. It’s like interference in other sports. THIS- was pure ATHLETE error and nothing more. There are rules for a reason.
@gymnastics123alice she left before she had a green go light from the judges and scored a zero =(
Well she took that well...I would’ve bawled my bitch eyes out
She still had floor to compete a little while later so I suspect she held back to try to keep her focus strong for the work still to come. I’m sure at the end of that day though, the tears came- understandably.
and the fact she didn't make floor finals in 2004..lol...judging was very different so I can understand but really a gymnast like pavlova for some reason gets screwed lol...I mean in the 2008 AA floor routine scored .050 more that Yangs...so crazy the scoring was. It seems that the lower your start value the lower your execution scores...its not suppose to be like that but if a gymnast did a 3.8 difficulty routine would she ever get above a 9.6 in execution? Just go back to the perfect 10 lol
The reason she didn’t make floor final in 2004 was dance elements. That code was super picky about them, and she had one turn in particular that was always incomplete- in quals, team, AA everything. It kept getting devalued and thus lowered her SV. Just like everyone though, it was the same system- take advantage, utilize it the best and DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES.
@HDgymnastics But why? I agree she deserved a medal but not here on vault. She would have needed to get a perfect score on her second vault to put her past Cheng Fei. She deserves a medal but she made mistakes in Beijing that kept her out of the medals there.
@JohnPhilipSousa519 Yeah :)
evil grandma judges!!
when it's judges faults it's always the gymnast fault... the replay or a new vault is the solution but not they decided to scored her by a 0
The judges are NOT responsible for the athlete’s CHOICE to not observe that the light is the proper color. Blaming others for an individual’s actions and choices is the act of children.
It’s in the rules. Please read them, then come back and share your new found knowledge with the other delusional Pavlova stans.
@@tambam6744 stupid comment
why didn't her second vault count?? x
She went before the green go light came on- which meant the vault was a zero.
someone to explain to me what happened? please
She went before the light was green on vault two and scored a zero. Very unfortunate.
That must be hard....I just think that they have been giving Pavlova some hard judging this olympics...I mean she had to fight for her scores in the AA...she always gets treated like crap at the Olympics
Anyone would have been given the same treatment in this case. Rules are rules
She made errors in AA that were rightly deducted, her bars SV was 2 points less than the medalists, and others just hit cleaner. She wasn’t targeted, she was judged by those little things we call RULES.
for a moment i thought the dancer anna pavlova got revived from the dead or something 💀
1:00 Even I saw that red light
No Saltes ....
She could’ve medaled easily :(
not really
O que realmente aconteceu? Ela perdeu o tempo?
She went before the light was green on vault two, and the rules require it to be scored as a zero.
She just doesn't have the difficulty. She was pretty fairly scored in the AA. She had a combined D-score of 23.8. Shawn had 26.3, Nastia had 26.0, Yang Yilin had 26.3, Ksenia Semenova had 25.2, Nistor had 25.1 and Jiang Yuyuang had 26.3.
And her biggest downfall was bars- in 2004 and 2008. She never had a really strong bars set before, but in this system a 5.7 difficulty when the medalists were all at 7.6-7.7 is such a substantial difference she could never make up for it. In vault… it’s not out of the realm of possibility without the premature second vault, but everywhere else there just wasn’t any room for even a slight mistake. On beam she had just enough difficulty to contend for bronze… until that missed element. What a feel for her is the way Russia treated her after- they just dismissed her completely and forced her to change countries to continue. I feel she still had something she could have offered.
They could have watched the replay
The rules state to only go when the light is green. That’s not a hard concept.
Because she vaulted when it was on the red, it was supposed to be on the green
She was robbed
it is fair. she went without being saluted. it says clearly in the book.
She was robbed. That's it.
@@minion0777 no she made the decision to go, no one else, she earned that 0. RULES ARE RULES
@@delaneymarie9698 She was asked to gon....no other logical explanation.
@@minion0777 why would they ask her to go if they weren't ready to judge yet? What logical explanation can you possibly come up with that would explain that?
@@delaneymarie9698 you're such a bitter bitch. I see you everywhere
They should have let her go again.
Absolutely not. The rules are clear cut, SHE made the choice to go without verifying that the light was green, and therefore the outcome is correct. She stated just that.
why did they average the one vault instead of keeping it 15.625??
The vault final score is the average of two vaults. For example, the average of 15.625 and if she had scored let's just say a 15.45 would be 15.537. On the same note, the average of 15.625 and 0 is effectively half of 15.625, which is 7.812 (allow for some fudging). Allowing her to keep her first vault score without averaging would not be fair, because then ANY gymnast in the final could have said "My first/second vault was the higher score, I want to keep that score instead of averaging it with the other." and it doesn't actually show competency in the apparatus, it only shows competency with a single vault, which is why we have certain rules in the first place, such as doing two vaults of different entry directions.
That's completely unfair
NO IT'S NOT. RULES ARE RULES
Rules r rules
Why a 0 ? It is unfair !
@Luis Zamora she went when the light was still red. As a second time Olympian, she knew to wait for the light, and she didn't so she got a 0
The judges robbed her
NO THEY DIDN'T. RULES ARE RULES
Anna Pavlova is about as good as Nastia and Shawn but she's lost to Cheng Fei?? Chinese judges are making all kind of excuses to make their gymnast win!
Han Ly There weren't any Chinese judges on the panel. If a gymnast is competing for a certain country, then the judges cannot be from that country.
Actually, Cheng is 3-time-world champion on vault so it is reasonable for Anna to lose to Cheng...
@@locluu8281 But Cheng fell, so no
@@misoginainternalizadaopres7131 Do you also think McKayla Maroney should not have won a medal?
Anna made the mistake to go too early HERSELF. That has absolutely nothing to do with the judges. She stated herself that it was her own fault. Why that concept eludes you is a mystery.
Robbed!!
By herself only. She went prematurely and the outcome was clear cut and by the rules- you know, those things EVERY elite or amateur gymnast knows about. She stated as such herself.
By herself…😂
All too often judges in gymnastics are like referees in soccer........feckin' useless!
If this were a Chinese gymnast, they would have been scored or given another chance to vault.
Jonah Based on what facts?
No, they wouldn’t have. Rules are rules, the outcome would have been such no matter what country the gymnast was from. You are just angry your chosen athlete made a mistake and have to childishly find excuses.
F*ck! This is unjust.
No, it isn’t. She knew the rules, she didn’t make sure the light was green and therefore it was on her alone. She said just that herself, you just don’t want to see it that way.