find it kinda harsh to call them fakes ... sure, the use of the Intel logo on the outer package is violating trademarks, but it is a legit Intel CPU inside afterall. I guess it's an illegit repackaging. I mean you wouldn't call those Evergreen aftermarkt adapters "AMD fakes" either.
Very interesting, i actually never heard of these. I remember overclocking my Pentium MMX 233 to 266 Mhz back then but would have never thought that there is a 300Mhz Version albeit being fake.
Great video - good info without too much fluff. I have never seen these "golden boy"s but I think they're quite charming. The P5A-B is a great board - it was the only one that got me a a normal P5233MMX to run at 310mhz stable. using the 124mhz fsb option x 2.5(+working cache). Maybe give this bus speed a try if you're bored. The tillamook, supposedly, should function up to 400mhz, albeit it may be multiplier locked which kinda depresses its viability.
Wow memories. I remember buying a P5A-B brand new! Spending days upon days changing components and trying to over lock old processors. Nostalgia to the max!
A great video! I don't know what happen to my comment? Must have gotten deleted. But here it goes again. Actually I have the same board. Great motherboard! I have the AMD K6-3 550 MHZ CPU with 384MB of Ram. You can still find this same motherboard on Ebay. But the prices are through the roof.
I love China sometimes, when they make things the manufacturer won't. For example, you can find laptop BGA chips on PGA or LGA packages all day long on Alibaba. There are advantages to be had using a lower power laptop chip in a desktop form factor.
Also we're starting to see them make more and more actual quality products now. And they're way more open to things like open source hardware and software. E.g. if we look at the TS100 or TS80 portable USB-C soldering irons, they're better than pretty much anything else you can buy, yet are still super affordable. At ~£70 and only ~25W, it still works better than pretty much every full sized soldering station at this price, because of the integrated tip. You definitely would get a Western company making that type of product though, but what is great is that the firmware for the device is open source, and the hardware is very open as well, and they specifically used a more expensive microcontroller because it's more accessible to the hobby industry. Or we can look at something like Sonoff smart devices. While pretty much all Western manufacturers are trying to lock you into the device and make it hard to modify, Sonoff instead adapted to the community and has built in support to flash the device to any firmware you want OTA. Good luck getting a US/EU manufacturer to not only allow you to flash the firmware to something else, but to build in support to directly allow you to do it. Instead they're doing the opposite and signing their firmwares to prevent you flashing yours. China only tends to focus on the lowest common denominator because of market forces, not because they're crap. But that's slowly changing and we're seeing more and more high quality products from them. Unfortunetly I still try to avoid as many Chinese products as I can because it's still supporting the CCP, and while I like the people of China and their ingenuity, I hate the CCP.
I'm using an AMD A6-8750e PRO cpu which is a Carizzo dual core mobile processor built into a Desktop ceramic package for the AM4 socket. Only needs 35watts and I plan on running at lowest voltage/watts possible after lots of testing. It's an 'unverified' CPU (not supported by motherboard manufacturers) yet it runs fine in my Gigabyte A320M-H motherboard and and an old BIOS version and with 32GB of DDR4 RAM.
Since this is a Super-7 board, I'd be interested in seeing how it did on a 100 MHz bus speed. The problem with Socket 7 CPUs is that they were limited by the L2 running at the speed of the motherboard, which is why the K6-III was such a powerhouse in its day with its full-speed on-die L2. I used to tell people that any K6-2 over 400 was useless because it was so I/O limited by the L2. The Tillamook was never meant to run at a 100 MHz bus, but I had a lot of luck with getting other Socket 7 chips never meant to run at 100 MHz bus to do it anyway.
Since almost all latter CPUs for socket7 (K6/M2/C6) was equipped with large 64K L1 cache (compared to 16K on first pentiums, k5s and cyrixes) it helps to neglect slow L2 cache. Some cheap later socket7 motherboards were released w/o L2 cache (and even w/o cache COAST slot) at all. Also do not forget that if latter super7 setup runs on 83/100MHs FSB speed with modern low latency SDRAM it provides a way more memory bandwidth (compared to old socket7 with 70ns EDO simms where L2 cache was a real need). BTW this setup in the video is already runs at 100MHz fsb speed (check 7:47 frame) :-)
I remember my first overclock was with a 200mhz Pentium chip. It wasn't easy and I think I managed a whole 25mhz overclock but it was great man. Then celeron overclocking like the 300a and 500PIII. Fun times.
Holy nostalgia I remember this board. My first PC loadout used the P5A-B as its back end. Intel Pentium 233 MMX, Asus P5A-B, 2x32MB PC-100, ATi Rage XL 8MB AGP and a Creative AWE64 ISA all with some 545MB Seagate ST3660A and some dialup modem. Test Drive 5, Septerra Core, TA Kingdoms, Oni, XSG, Subspace Continuum and whatever Japanese DOS games were my favorites on that system but the lack of storage and decent GPU capabilities made it a stuttering nightmare. By the time I was hosting .NET stuff I had upgraded it to the best of my abilities but had to get rid of it as it was a constant maintenance nightmare. I sure do miss the DOS games though. Hold onto these older systems if you can. They're not going anywhere and it's starting to make sense to continue using them as independent game compatibility client boxes. Just be sure to add a NIC and some USB capabilities and it's solid.
Great content as usual! I'd like to have seen the difference between 66mhz and 100 mhz FSB -- both running the CPU at 300mhz. How close would this perform to a Pentium II? You said it runs cool. What about 350mhz? A clock for clock benchmark of Intel CPUs both running at 350mhz on 100 FSB would make one helluva a P55 vs P6 shootout video.
@@JoshVennix They did... Just few bothered trying and those who did didn't want to waste a nice mobo capable of much better. When I was a teenage collector/hoarder/scrapper I tested nearly every interesting CPU that came my way. Some Pentium 100's could be pushed as far as 83mhx FSB running on 3.4v and most laptop Pentiums had no problem running 100mhz FSB with a lesser multiplier.
I have a genuine Tillamook 266 chip that Intel provided for some lower power machines. With the suitable mods, it works great in a 430TX based board at 300MHz (4*75MHz). A nice boost for sure; Carmageddon II is pretty much playable which isn't really something that can be said for the 233 MMX which was the fastest official Socket 7 chip.
I am experimenting with running a standard Pentium MMX 233Mhz at 100Mhz bus with 3x multiplier. Therefore running at 300Mhz. It, so far, seems to be running stable at the stock 2.8V and the heatsink is cool to touch.
Just to follow up I did get random crashes in windows. Though not frequently. At 2.9V the crashes stopped but occasionally I would get graphical corruption when rendering fonts. They would just appear as dots instead of text. Now I am running it at 3.0v and it is fully stable. I seem to get a slightly higher CPU score than you also. But that may be due to RAM timings.
Interesting. I didn't realize until now that in the German regionalization of Windows, the Recycle Bin is called the Paper Bin. Or, is papierkorb used colloquially for recycle bin as well?
Yes he says "Intel" and it's compatible with old socket 7 boards, which is not the case of the K6-3. The K6-3 is not to be compared with the Pentium MMX, it's the PII generation. And the PII is faster.
I had 550MHz AMD K6-2 running win xp. I ended up killing it messing around with overclocking and the only socket 7 I had was a P120. It did actually run xp more or less, but took a stupid amount of time to boot.
my amiga 1200 technically has more ram lol. i've got a 128mb stick on the dkb cobra accelerator card in it. 28mhz 68030 lol. thats in addition to the ram on board
Those Tillamook are amazing for what they are, i have the 266 one, and it runs up to 400 Mhz without too much voltage or heat. But they are a PMMX anyway, any K6-2 or 3 is much faster.
@@Romerco77 Yeah, that's right. I got the message Robert, but it kind of depends on what games are we talking about. F.e Quake(floating point intensive), I've found that despite the clock speed gap between an 83.3x3.5 MMX and a k6-II 450 running at 100fsb there's pretty much a difference of 1 fps in between. Now, taking about K6-3? no contest.
@@Romerco77 By the way, is your 266 a modded Tillamook just like the one on this video, or is an "Embedded" PMMX with the traditional plastic packaging of normal chips? Also, is it working with the onboard L2 cache enabled? Thanks, mate.
@@extalia Well, i think it may depend greatly on the motherboard/chipset, i use a k6-2 ready motherboard, and it enables northbridge features in bios for the K6-2, like write combining and posted write, which makes games like Quake run twice as fast compared to the tillamook at any speed. I have also observed the Tillamook does not scale well with clockspeed, beyond 300Mhz the increase in performance starts to get lower per Mhz. My Tillamook does not look like the ones in the video, mine looks like a standard PMMX 233 with black plastic housing, L2 cache works perfectly, but there is a mod which can be done to the cpu for motherboards having problems enabling L2 with it.
Hi. Great video 👍 Did you get the board to post with the original 266mhz tillamook cpu without modifying the cpu ? I cant get my p5a-b to post witb my 266mhz tillamook even with the modifications. My friend tested the cpu and it works on his board of a different brand.
The ordinary SL2Z4 aka Tillamook 266 uses 1.9v Vcore. So i am assuming they used exactly this core and gave it a multiplier of 4.5 internally, rerouted the L2-Cache traces to have a working L2 Cache and set the Vcore to 2.0 Volts. Hehe. I would not be surprised. But surprised i am about the ASUS P5A-B that it boots the fake chip there and runs with it so well and stable incl L2 Cache since it doesnt even perform a POST with the regular SL2Z4 266Mhz...... we must talk buddy :D
On Vogons there is a thread "Tillamook 266MHz and working L2 cache" interesting... Tx97 & CUSL2-C maxxed it out back then! However, Pentium MMX Mobile was not a fake and did 300Mhz!
900MHz on these CPUs is going to be *much* slower than 900MHz on a modern CPU. The architectural differences alone are *huuuge*, not to mention things like memory.
I used the same motherboard for ages in my Linux workstation, with an AMD processor though. I don't recall the exact processor model. I think I had 512M of RAM in the computer.
@@CPUGalaxy thanks for the video BTW I remember that AMD K6 2 above 300MHz had an issue on Windows 95 (Windows protection Error) despite that on the fucking CPU there was "Designed for Windows 95" hahah LoL Microsoft even released a FIX for this, but the patch can be applied only from Windows not in DOS WTF microsoft?! So you had to boot Windows 95 with other CPU (AMD lower then 300MHz or Intel one) then apply the patch then put the K6 2 CPU again :D haha Windows 98 was fixed out of the box :)
@@CPUGalaxy haha I was pissed of back in a day when I discovered this issue this is a reason I hate AMD CPUs, but this is more Windows fault , like now I have 2 CPU Xeon server configuration and me CPUs are identical only the stepping are mismatch and stupid Windows 7 x64 and above can not use the 2 CPUs gime mi BSOD and I have to limit the system to use only one of the 2 CPUs! (only XP and 7 x86 have no problems with mismatched stepping on multiprocessor systems ) Linux x86 and x64 have no issues too . WTF Microsoft ?!
Could be interessing if you can put this wonderful CPU on an 100 MHz FSB (or 110 even as you told in the video). It's the multiplier unlocked in the down way? I think this CPU can go much better
Definitely keep some Chinese Pentium MMX processor (TCP on Socket 7 adapter, exactly like the one you have), as some could be a decent overclocking CPU as the metal heatslug actually do better job removing the heat from the CPU than the ceramic package would, meaning 400 to 500 MHz overclocking could be possible. I would be surprised if it runs stably at 500 MHz with peltier cooling. I would like to try that, actually. Too bad those CPUs are hard to find now.
Interesting. Your version of PC Player doesn't glitch with with the ET6000 like mine does. I'd be intersting in knowing how this performs on a slightly better graphics setup, where we know the card isn't bottle-necking the CPU.
Interesting test, game performance explains why I've never been a fan of that era of CPUs... It's too fast for older DOS games, where a down-clocked 486 excels, while some games targeted to this era are much better running on a P2 or P3.
@@dallesamllhals9161 good video. Dell Optiplex machines actually have a software function that does some of this CPU speed adjustment automatically. If you toggle Ctrl>
Intel held the Tillamook 266 mHz in the PGA package back for desktop applications so it would not undercut sales of the early PII and only later made it available for embedded applications. They effectively banned the mainboard manufacturers from providing BIOS and board support for it. It was faster than the Pentium II 266 mHz because of the cache coherency issue with the early PII. Somewhat embarrassing that the old gen was faster than the new for a while. I would not call that 300 mHz CPU a fake, per se, but rather an "upgrade processor" in the long tradition of such things for stretching the useful life of a PC. They did certainly violate the Intel IP rights with the gold colored lid with the Intel trademark. What BIOS is installed on the P5A-B? Is it a "beta" or hacked version? I have many Socket 7 mainboards including an Asus P5A and none will properly recognize and initialize the 266 mHz Tillamook CPU. Most will run it at 233 mHz or other speeds okay.
So a long while back, I was at a flea market, and there was a really shady guy that had piles of CPUs he was selling for very little money. I got a handful of Pentium 2, 3, and 4 "Intel Confidential" processors from him for $5-10 each. And then I saw one of these in a display case on his sales table. I offered him $25, but he laughed at me. He said it was a "rare prototype" that he said he got from an Intel employee. He wanted $200 for it. I told him that it was a repackaged laptop processor, and he wouldn't let me buy anything else at his table. Ah well. Some day...
Essentially what would have happened if Intel never abandoned the socket design to switch to the slot 1 architecture for the pentium 2. This is essentially a Pentium II on a old socket.
9:44 why is the HUD at the bottom glitching out like that? it seems to be constantly flipping between what it should look like and what it previously looked like
Well it kicks my Threadripper's Ass when it comes to boot time. It's booted up to desktop before my 16-core powerhouse even turns the monitor's power LED from orange to white. lol
No, the fastest Pentium is 300MHz Mobile released 7 January 1999. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#Pentium_with_MMX_Technology The next is 233MHz Pentium With MMX (2 July 1997) and 200MHz Pentium Pro (18 August 1997).
Hallo, darf ich kurz off-topic fragen zur ebenfalls in diesem Video gezeigten 266MHz Mobile-CPU? Die dürfte ja Pin-Kompatibel zu den normalen Pentium MMX Prozessoren sein, oder? Auf Grund der niedrigen VCore habe ich mich nie getraut die in einem normalen Sockel 7 Board zu testen aber wäre es möglich die in einem Super Sockel 7 Board gefahrlos zu betreiben? Und wie erkennt man eigentlich Super Sockel 7 Boards? Nur indem man die kompatiblen CPUs nachschlägt oder gibt es auch durch reines Anschauen des Boards eindeutige Indikatoren, daß es kein normalen Sockel 7 Board ist? Viele Grüße (:
@@CPUGalaxy Oh das ist sehr gut zu wissen ... Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Dann habe ich sogar eins in meinem Bestand (: Und dort kann man dann auch die Mobile CPU drauf nutzen wenn man dort nur die Spannung auf 1,9V einstellt oder gibt es da noch etwas anderes zu beachten?
I thought the fastest P55C, officially, was 266 and it was only available for mobile... EDIT: No. Wait. Not P55C. Those top at 233. I was way wrong. We're talking about "Tillamook". I just conflated the two. Oops. Anyway, I was unaware anything faster than 266 Mhz actually shipped, let alone socketed.
Apparently there actually were socketed (7) versions of these from intel but I’ve only ever seen pics of them. They use the flexible camera film chips on a pcb interposer like this but put it on the bottom side.
@@morejiggawatts4992 Really? Thats a bit of history I was unaware of. Im sure by that time I was focused on Pentium II and the first "overclocking" darling Celeron 300A along with everone ekse (AMD K6-2 and Cyrix MII notwithstanding). Only ultra portable / thin and light mobile still showed uo with Pentium at 266 Mhz. I would imagine any "socketed" was a repackaged 266. Locked multipliers not yet a thing.
Yeah, there is a website around somewhere with pics of all of them. There are a few varieties of pcb ones that plug into slot kinda things, and there is at least one that looks like a 233mmx But then there are these oddball socket 7 things with the flexible film chips on them one type shown above in video, the other type appears to be from intel or some more official sources. But I’ve never seen one in person or for sale. But several sources have pics of them so at one point at least some existed.
Check out a teardown of such a china faked CPU
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Thank you very much!
Where are you from? Your pronunciation sounds like you are from Carinthia...
exactly 😄
Even if it is fake I'd be interested in having one, I love the packaging
Good Chintel CPU :)
find it kinda harsh to call them fakes ... sure, the use of the Intel logo on the outer package is violating trademarks, but it is a legit Intel CPU inside afterall.
I guess it's an illegit repackaging. I mean you wouldn't call those Evergreen aftermarkt adapters "AMD fakes" either.
Really quality videos man, you deserve way more views!!
Very interesting, i actually never heard of these. I remember overclocking my Pentium MMX 233 to 266 Mhz back then but would have never thought that there is a 300Mhz Version albeit being fake.
get a 266Mhz SL2Z4 and modify it and run it stable at 400 Mhz on certain boards. Its fun.
@@HighwayHunkie :O
Thought Pentium MMX only went up to 233MHz?
@@HighwayHunkie Except that's over the world record for the fastest Pentium 1 cpu...sooo nice try.
@@radcheckinski6300 World record is about 505Mhz something with that CPU. So 400 is still moderate. :)
I had dual p3 1333 Tualatin on a gigabyte board with an ati 9700 all in wonder, back in the day....
You were god by that time
I really like your videos man. I grew up playing with 486 and Pentium PC's.
damn son i remember that bios start up,the total nostalgia.
Great video - good info without too much fluff. I have never seen these "golden boy"s but I think they're quite charming.
The P5A-B is a great board - it was the only one that got me a a normal P5233MMX to run at 310mhz stable. using the 124mhz fsb option x 2.5(+working cache). Maybe give this bus speed a try if you're bored.
The tillamook, supposedly, should function up to 400mhz, albeit it may be multiplier locked which kinda depresses its viability.
Wow memories. I remember buying a P5A-B brand new! Spending days upon days changing components and trying to over lock old processors. Nostalgia to the max!
Until today, I didn't even know they existed. Great video!
I enjoy finding about about old PC tech I never knew existed.
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Very good video, I enjoyed, thanks!
Pentium mmx golden dragon edition. Nice video.
I had a Pentium 233Mhz with a Voodoo Banshee 16MB PCI card back in the day, and that PC played Quake 2 super fast. It had 256MB SD RAM.
I could watch these vids all day long. Good job! Very informative :)
A great video! I don't know what happen to my comment? Must have gotten deleted. But here it goes again. Actually I have the same board. Great motherboard! I have the AMD K6-3 550 MHZ CPU with 384MB of Ram. You can still find this same motherboard on Ebay. But the prices are through the roof.
K6-III+...right? Not just a regular K6-III.
I love China sometimes, when they make things the manufacturer won't. For example, you can find laptop BGA chips on PGA or LGA packages all day long on Alibaba. There are advantages to be had using a lower power laptop chip in a desktop form factor.
Also we're starting to see them make more and more actual quality products now. And they're way more open to things like open source hardware and software. E.g. if we look at the TS100 or TS80 portable USB-C soldering irons, they're better than pretty much anything else you can buy, yet are still super affordable. At ~£70 and only ~25W, it still works better than pretty much every full sized soldering station at this price, because of the integrated tip. You definitely would get a Western company making that type of product though, but what is great is that the firmware for the device is open source, and the hardware is very open as well, and they specifically used a more expensive microcontroller because it's more accessible to the hobby industry.
Or we can look at something like Sonoff smart devices. While pretty much all Western manufacturers are trying to lock you into the device and make it hard to modify, Sonoff instead adapted to the community and has built in support to flash the device to any firmware you want OTA. Good luck getting a US/EU manufacturer to not only allow you to flash the firmware to something else, but to build in support to directly allow you to do it. Instead they're doing the opposite and signing their firmwares to prevent you flashing yours.
China only tends to focus on the lowest common denominator because of market forces, not because they're crap. But that's slowly changing and we're seeing more and more high quality products from them. Unfortunetly I still try to avoid as many Chinese products as I can because it's still supporting the CCP, and while I like the people of China and their ingenuity, I hate the CCP.
lol the i like the people and not the party cope. newsflash, most people like the party!!!
@@mahzorimipod What evidence do you have that people in China support every policy of the CCP?
that's not what i said fuckwit, learn to read
I'm using an AMD A6-8750e PRO cpu which is a Carizzo dual core mobile processor built into a Desktop ceramic package for the AM4 socket. Only needs 35watts and I plan on running at lowest voltage/watts possible after lots of testing. It's an 'unverified' CPU (not supported by motherboard manufacturers) yet it runs fine in my Gigabyte A320M-H motherboard and and an old BIOS version and with 32GB of DDR4 RAM.
Since this is a Super-7 board, I'd be interested in seeing how it did on a 100 MHz bus speed. The problem with Socket 7 CPUs is that they were limited by the L2 running at the speed of the motherboard, which is why the K6-III was such a powerhouse in its day with its full-speed on-die L2. I used to tell people that any K6-2 over 400 was useless because it was so I/O limited by the L2.
The Tillamook was never meant to run at a 100 MHz bus, but I had a lot of luck with getting other Socket 7 chips never meant to run at 100 MHz bus to do it anyway.
Since almost all latter CPUs for socket7 (K6/M2/C6) was equipped with large 64K L1 cache (compared to 16K on first pentiums, k5s and cyrixes) it helps to neglect slow L2 cache. Some cheap later socket7 motherboards were released w/o L2 cache (and even w/o cache COAST slot) at all. Also do not forget that if latter super7 setup runs on 83/100MHs FSB speed with modern low latency SDRAM it provides a way more memory bandwidth (compared to old socket7 with 70ns EDO simms where L2 cache was a real need). BTW this setup in the video is already runs at 100MHz fsb speed (check 7:47 frame) :-)
I remember my first overclock was with a 200mhz Pentium chip. It wasn't easy and I think I managed a whole 25mhz overclock but it was great man. Then celeron overclocking like the 300a and 500PIII. Fun times.
Holy nostalgia I remember this board. My first PC loadout used the P5A-B as its back end. Intel Pentium 233 MMX, Asus P5A-B, 2x32MB PC-100, ATi Rage XL 8MB AGP and a Creative AWE64 ISA all with some 545MB Seagate ST3660A and some dialup modem. Test Drive 5, Septerra Core, TA Kingdoms, Oni, XSG, Subspace Continuum and whatever Japanese DOS games were my favorites on that system but the lack of storage and decent GPU capabilities made it a stuttering nightmare. By the time I was hosting .NET stuff I had upgraded it to the best of my abilities but had to get rid of it as it was a constant maintenance nightmare. I sure do miss the DOS games though. Hold onto these older systems if you can. They're not going anywhere and it's starting to make sense to continue using them as independent game compatibility client boxes. Just be sure to add a NIC and some USB capabilities and it's solid.
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Great content as usual! I'd like to have seen the difference between 66mhz and 100 mhz FSB -- both running the CPU at 300mhz. How close would this perform to a Pentium II? You said it runs cool. What about 350mhz? A clock for clock benchmark of Intel CPUs both running at 350mhz on 100 FSB would make one helluva a P55 vs P6 shootout video.
Normal pentium chips did not usually hold a 100mhz bus. 75mhz was usually the limit. Don't take my word for it though. It's been a long time
@@JoshVennix They did... Just few bothered trying and those who did didn't want to waste a nice mobo capable of much better. When I was a teenage collector/hoarder/scrapper I tested nearly every interesting CPU that came my way. Some Pentium 100's could be pushed as far as 83mhx FSB running on 3.4v and most laptop Pentiums had no problem running 100mhz FSB with a lesser multiplier.
@@siliconinsect I'll have to try that. I have used 83Mhz often. But never 100mhz.
@@JoshVennix 83.33 Mhz on one of my 430 TX boards.
@@dpwellman Now I'm going to have to dig one of my old 200mhz pentiums out.
Great !!! Thx a loy ;)
I've built my first PC in 1998 with Asus P5A and Pentium MMX 223
I have an AMD K6 @550Mhz on an Asus P5A mainboard with 512 MB of ram. And a Voodoo 3 3000D gpu.
I have a genuine Tillamook 266 chip that Intel provided for some lower power machines. With the suitable mods, it works great in a 430TX based board at 300MHz (4*75MHz). A nice boost for sure; Carmageddon II is pretty much playable which isn't really something that can be said for the 233 MMX which was the fastest official Socket 7 chip.
What mods?
@@dalecomer5951 www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=903454#p903454
good video, thank you
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Tillamook, great cheese.
Btw, you said it better than most Americans.
Great video, love it
Gold Pentium MMX!?
But really Beatutiful~
You could say it was the "Gold Standard" of socket 7s.
I am experimenting with running a standard Pentium MMX 233Mhz at 100Mhz bus with 3x multiplier. Therefore running at 300Mhz. It, so far, seems to be running stable at the stock 2.8V and the heatsink is cool to touch.
Just to follow up I did get random crashes in windows. Though not frequently. At 2.9V the crashes stopped but occasionally I would get graphical corruption when rendering fonts. They would just appear as dots instead of text. Now I am running it at 3.0v and it is fully stable. I seem to get a slightly higher CPU score than you also. But that may be due to RAM timings.
A beastly system, no doubt
Interesting. I didn't realize until now that in the German regionalization of Windows, the Recycle Bin is called the Paper Bin. Or, is papierkorb used colloquially for recycle bin as well?
IMO, the best Socket 7 chip was the K6-3. That thing was disgusting quick
it does say Intel.
Yes he says "Intel" and it's compatible with old socket 7 boards, which is not the case of the K6-3. The K6-3 is not to be compared with the Pentium MMX, it's the PII generation. And the PII is faster.
thx a lot
If I recall correctly, 300mhz mmx P1 was available in notebooks
yes, as I showed in the video. The mobile thin film P1 with 300 MHz.
yeah. I think so as well.
I had 550MHz AMD K6-2 running win xp. I ended up killing it messing around with overclocking and the only socket 7 I had was a P120. It did actually run xp more or less, but took a stupid amount of time to boot.
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Fastest cpu for Intels (Super) Socket 7 platform is the AMD k6-3 550Mhz.
my amiga 1200 technically has more ram lol. i've got a 128mb stick on the dkb cobra accelerator card in it. 28mhz 68030 lol. thats in addition to the ram on board
Since it's likely a genuine 300mhz Tillamook, it'd be interesting to redo these benchmarks at a 100mhz FSB and a 3x multiplier instead of a 4.5x.
I tried that. but the multiplier is internally fixed to 4.5. No matter how i set it on the board.
Huh, that sounds like a typical Intel move.
@@CPUGalaxy It may be fixed on the adapter board.
Those Tillamook are amazing for what they are, i have the 266 one, and it runs up to 400 Mhz without too much voltage or heat. But they are a PMMX anyway, any K6-2 or 3 is much faster.
In relation to their base clocks, FPoint is faster on MMX cpus
@@extalia I was talking in relation to plain and simple performance in games and apps ;)
@@Romerco77 Yeah, that's right. I got the message Robert, but it kind of depends on what games are we talking about. F.e Quake(floating point intensive), I've found that despite the clock speed gap between an 83.3x3.5 MMX and a k6-II 450 running at 100fsb there's pretty much a difference of 1 fps in between. Now, taking about K6-3? no contest.
@@Romerco77 By the way, is your 266 a modded Tillamook just like the one on this video, or is an "Embedded" PMMX with the traditional plastic packaging of normal chips? Also, is it working with the onboard L2 cache enabled? Thanks, mate.
@@extalia Well, i think it may depend greatly on the motherboard/chipset, i use a k6-2 ready motherboard, and it enables northbridge features in bios for the K6-2, like write combining and posted write, which makes games like Quake run twice as fast compared to the tillamook at any speed. I have also observed the Tillamook does not scale well with clockspeed, beyond 300Mhz the increase in performance starts to get lower per Mhz. My Tillamook does not look like the ones in the video, mine looks like a standard PMMX 233 with black plastic housing, L2 cache works perfectly, but there is a mod which can be done to the cpu for motherboards having problems enabling L2 with it.
thats amazing
Hi.
Great video 👍
Did you get the board to post with the original 266mhz tillamook cpu without modifying the cpu ? I cant get my p5a-b to post witb my 266mhz tillamook even with the modifications. My friend tested the cpu and it works on his board of a different brand.
The ordinary SL2Z4 aka Tillamook 266 uses 1.9v Vcore. So i am assuming they used exactly this core and gave it a multiplier of 4.5 internally, rerouted the L2-Cache traces to have a working L2 Cache and set the Vcore to 2.0 Volts. Hehe. I would not be surprised. But surprised i am about the ASUS P5A-B that it boots the fake chip there and runs with it so well and stable incl L2 Cache since it doesnt even perform a POST with the regular SL2Z4 266Mhz...... we must talk buddy :D
exactly what I said in the video. I think the same...
@@CPUGalaxy i wrote my comment while watching at the beginning lol
Whats the specific pin mod needed cause i would like to test my 266 tillamook on my p5a-b as well.
@@joselemusjr6451 Does not POST on a P5A-B. You need another board for that. Here is a link with info: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=30499
In the video he was using 3x multi and 100 fsb
But 4x does absolutely exist on tillamook.
I have been personally unable to confirm 4.5x though.
On Vogons there is a thread "Tillamook 266MHz and working L2 cache" interesting...
Tx97 & CUSL2-C maxxed it out back then!
However, Pentium MMX Mobile was not a fake and did 300Mhz!
At 0:06 the MMX tm has been abbreviated to MMX t thus saving a significant amount of marking material over a run of 10 million pieces! ;)
You can run Windows 10 on just 900 MHz of CPU speed
900MHz on these CPUs is going to be *much* slower than 900MHz on a modern CPU. The architectural differences alone are *huuuge*, not to mention things like memory.
I used the same motherboard for ages in my Linux workstation, with an AMD processor though. I don't recall the exact processor model. I think I had 512M of RAM in the computer.
Wow I never know the Intel made 300MHz mobile version. Cns you compare this China Intel Vs AMD K6 2 300MHz to see who is better :D
Great Idea! thanks for your input.
@@CPUGalaxy thanks for the video BTW I remember that AMD K6 2 above 300MHz had an issue on Windows 95 (Windows protection Error) despite that on the fucking CPU there was "Designed for Windows 95" hahah LoL Microsoft even released a FIX for this, but the patch can be applied only from Windows not in DOS WTF microsoft?! So you had to boot Windows 95 with other CPU (AMD lower then 300MHz or Intel one) then apply the patch then put the K6 2 CPU again :D haha
Windows 98 was fixed out of the box :)
Haha, I did not know that. How crazy is that.
@@CPUGalaxy haha I was pissed of back in a day when I discovered this issue this is a reason I hate AMD CPUs, but this is more Windows fault , like now I have 2 CPU Xeon server configuration and me CPUs are identical only the stepping are mismatch and stupid Windows 7 x64 and above can not use the 2 CPUs gime mi BSOD and I have to limit the system to use only one of the 2 CPUs! (only XP and 7 x86 have no problems with mismatched stepping on multiprocessor systems ) Linux x86 and x64 have no issues too . WTF Microsoft ?!
@@intel386DX well, it took Microsoft some years to make Windows optimized for Ryzen, so, some things don't change :)
Could be interessing if you can put this wonderful CPU on an 100 MHz FSB (or 110 even as you told in the video). It's the multiplier unlocked in the down way? I think this CPU can go much better
I really need to find one of these. My EPoX P55-BT motherboard is made for 300mhz pentium mmx CPUs that ended up never coming out.
INTEL 430TX Chipset?
You can absolutely run a 300mhz pentium tillamook, but you should use the ppga package ones.
Read those links
What a collection... ⁽⁾o⁽⁾
It's awesome in many ways. It looks good, it's 300mhz, it was made in China, it's fake but its core is Intel and it works! 👍
great comment!
Compare it with a AMDK6/2 300 ?
Definitely keep some Chinese Pentium MMX processor (TCP on Socket 7 adapter, exactly like the one you have), as some could be a decent overclocking CPU as the metal heatslug actually do better job removing the heat from the CPU than the ceramic package would, meaning 400 to 500 MHz overclocking could be possible. I would be surprised if it runs stably at 500 MHz with peltier cooling. I would like to try that, actually. Too bad those CPUs are hard to find now.
The nvme ssd in my pc is like 5 times faster than my the level 1 cache of this cpu!!
the cache may still have advantages when it comes to access times which are measured in nanoseconds. whereas NAND flash is in the microseconds range.
Interesting. Your version of PC Player doesn't glitch with with the ET6000 like mine does.
I'd be intersting in knowing how this performs on a slightly better graphics setup, where we know the card isn't bottle-necking the CPU.
Interesting test, game performance explains why I've never been a fan of that era of CPUs... It's too fast for older DOS games, where a down-clocked 486 excels, while some games targeted to this era are much better running on a P2 or P3.
Have you seen Phil's Computer LabsAMD K6-III+ beast?
21:38 in this LGR video ruclips.net/video/9CgisEFObjA/видео.html
@@dallesamllhals9161 good video. Dell Optiplex machines actually have a software function that does some of this CPU speed adjustment automatically. If you toggle Ctrl>
I guess more appropriate for the time period would be something like Riva TNT2 instead of Voodoo2?
Intel held the Tillamook 266 mHz in the PGA package back for desktop applications so it would not undercut sales of the early PII and only later made it available for embedded applications. They effectively banned the mainboard manufacturers from providing BIOS and board support for it. It was faster than the Pentium II 266 mHz because of the cache coherency issue with the early PII. Somewhat embarrassing that the old gen was faster than the new for a while. I would not call that 300 mHz CPU a fake, per se, but rather an "upgrade processor" in the long tradition of such things for stretching the useful life of a PC. They did certainly violate the Intel IP rights with the gold colored lid with the Intel trademark. What BIOS is installed on the P5A-B? Is it a "beta" or hacked version? I have many Socket 7 mainboards including an Asus P5A and none will properly recognize and initialize the 266 mHz Tillamook CPU. Most will run it at 233 mHz or other speeds okay.
Do you have any links to the benchmarking software you used when you were testing in DOS?
You are the arnold schwarzenegger of tech buddy lol.
Can it be overclocked to 3.5 x 100? At 350 Mhz, and 100 FSB, it would be beast.
Can't be! I had a K6-500, it was slower than a 300Mhz intel?
Did you have the same setup on the rest of it? Even the OS?
So this CPU is one of the early examples of taking a laptop CPU and putting it on the desktop. AMD does that to this day with its APU's
nice video of this rare cpu! are this cpu's still availble?
those are very hard to get. Sometimes they appear on ebay from collectors.
www.ebay.com/itm/BP80502100-SL25J-Antique-cpu-collection-history-witness-Chip-1PCS/184125752181?hash=item2adec00375:g:F5YAAOSwFHteG-ht
So a long while back, I was at a flea market, and there was a really shady guy that had piles of CPUs he was selling for very little money. I got a handful of Pentium 2, 3, and 4 "Intel Confidential" processors from him for $5-10 each. And then I saw one of these in a display case on his sales table. I offered him $25, but he laughed at me. He said it was a "rare prototype" that he said he got from an Intel employee. He wanted $200 for it. I told him that it was a repackaged laptop processor, and he wouldn't let me buy anything else at his table. Ah well. Some day...
If you ever run across the guy again give him my info. I might make him a deal for it.
Essentially what would have happened if Intel never abandoned the socket design to switch to the slot 1 architecture for the pentium 2.
This is essentially a Pentium II on a old socket.
11:25 Huh.. Motorstorm's predecessor 😄
I would like to get one of these to replace my 166MMx. I guess I will have to set for 233MHz and then maybe OC it a little.
You should try some old emulators like Nesticle, ZSNES and similar ones.
I had zsnes on my celeon 700 laptop (still do) But I coudln't use any grafical filter and had to go max 640x480 res. Else it would go sluggish.
I see an at socket on the board, so there were cases with at motherboard footprint and atx psu ?
Yes, they both carry the same voltages just on different connectors. Wasn't uncommon
Wow, you got Unreal to run on a Pentium 1 without hiccups? That is crazy.
well its P1 with MMX at 300 not to surprised really as Unreal will run on K6-2 300 with no issues again this is if you use a Voodoo card with them
i didnt know a 266mhz version exsisted thought 233mhz was the fatest
just google Intel Tillamook. That is the core name of the last Pentium 1 generation.
Test transmeta proccessor
..und AMD? K6-III 400MHz AHX (classic Socket 7 - INTEL 430TX - IWILL P55XB2 VER 1.21)
9:44 why is the HUD at the bottom glitching out like that? it seems to be constantly flipping between what it should look like and what it previously looked like
How many RAM will the board support? Could you try Win 7 install?
I remember when I was 13
a P2 300 commercially modded into a socket7 package?
Well it kicks my Threadripper's Ass when it comes to boot time. It's booted up to desktop before my 16-core powerhouse even turns the monitor's power LED from orange to white. lol
How hard are to find Pentium MMX 266 (SL2Z4)?
they are quiet rare but you can find them on ebay. Just search for Intel SL2Z4
Ali and SIS chipset is very slowly.
Which processors are installed on the socket 7??
Where to get one of these? :D nothing on aliexpress or ebay
No, the fastest Pentium is 300MHz Mobile released 7 January 1999.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#Pentium_with_MMX_Technology
The next is 233MHz Pentium With MMX (2 July 1997) and 200MHz Pentium Pro (18 August 1997).
yeah, and this pentium mobile I think is build in those China package.
Board has AGP, lets use PCI?????
"intel inside inside" 🤣 🤣 🤣
Hmm, vs a K6-III 400MHz?
Hallo, darf ich kurz off-topic fragen zur ebenfalls in diesem Video gezeigten 266MHz Mobile-CPU? Die dürfte ja Pin-Kompatibel zu den normalen Pentium MMX Prozessoren sein, oder? Auf Grund der niedrigen VCore habe ich mich nie getraut die in einem normalen Sockel 7 Board zu testen aber wäre es möglich die in einem Super Sockel 7 Board gefahrlos zu betreiben? Und wie erkennt man eigentlich Super Sockel 7 Boards? Nur indem man die kompatiblen CPUs nachschlägt oder gibt es auch durch reines Anschauen des Boards eindeutige Indikatoren, daß es kein normalen Sockel 7 Board ist? Viele Grüße (:
Hi. eindeutiger Indikator für Super Socket 7 Boards ist das Vorhandensein eines AGP Steckplatzes. LG
@@CPUGalaxy Oh das ist sehr gut zu wissen ... Danke für die schnelle Antwort. Dann habe ich sogar eins in meinem Bestand (: Und dort kann man dann auch die Mobile CPU drauf nutzen wenn man dort nur die Spannung auf 1,9V einstellt oder gibt es da noch etwas anderes zu beachten?
How'd you get the CPU off of the MMC-1?
Not really a fake is it? More an unauthorized release.
yeah. of course you can call it that as well
I thought the fastest P55C, officially, was 266 and it was only available for mobile...
EDIT: No. Wait. Not P55C. Those top at 233. I was way wrong. We're talking about "Tillamook". I just conflated the two. Oops. Anyway, I was unaware anything faster than 266 Mhz actually shipped, let alone socketed.
Apparently there actually were socketed (7) versions of these from intel but I’ve only ever seen pics of them. They use the flexible camera film chips on a pcb interposer like this but put it on the bottom side.
@@morejiggawatts4992 Really? Thats a bit of history I was unaware of. Im sure by that time I was focused on Pentium II and the first "overclocking" darling Celeron 300A along with everone ekse (AMD K6-2 and Cyrix MII notwithstanding). Only ultra portable / thin and light mobile still showed uo with Pentium at 266 Mhz. I would imagine any "socketed" was a repackaged 266. Locked multipliers not yet a thing.
Yeah, there is a website around somewhere with pics of all of them. There are a few varieties of pcb ones that plug into slot kinda things, and there is at least one that looks like a 233mmx
But then there are these oddball socket 7 things with the flexible film chips on them one type shown above in video, the other type appears to be from intel or some more official sources. But I’ve never seen one in person or for sale. But several sources have pics of them so at one point at least some existed.
Suddently people started collecting obsolete CPUs?
Fake?
How does it compare to a K6-2 running on the same speed? (4,5 * 66)
I think it is about on par. But a 3/2+/3+ is a little faster at the same speed I believe.
didnt the voodoo 2 have 12meg of ram on it mine has
There were also some with 8 MB