It's been 6 years and people STILL disagree about The Hag
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Every time I make a Killer tierlist, there is no shortage of people insisting that the Hag is a low tier Killer; she has no immediate mobility, her chase is mediocre without setup and she can be easily disrupted by aggressive Survivors. But despite all of these things, if you play the Hag in public matches you'll quickly realize that none of things matter much since your average team will still make enough mistakes to allow you to win consistently with her. Since her massive buff in 2018, I think the Hag has been a really strong Killer and this video tries to prove it. But what do you think?
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Hag is a killer I find myself either winning at 4 gens or in a 20 minute end game stale mate. there’s no in-between for me
Hag gets alot worse if survivors actually look for and destroy her traps in relevant areas before they trigger or trigger them while you are holding a survivor, yes it costs them time but it has also cost you time to set them up also and now you are not getting much value from your power. That said all it takes is one lazy or clueless survivor to keep triggering them for you to keep getting alot of value. Also if they are smart about which gens they do before you have a 3 gen or 4 gen.
Also like trapper she benefits from grass to hide her traps so she is alot worse on certain maps.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 i agree with this statement
hag is like skull merchant. A lot of player in dbd don't understand value of playing defensively as a killer. they only rate killer's strength by their offensive capacity. I think this is same thing with trapper. lots of player rate trapper as worst killer in the game but he really isn't and hag is no different. If you go against comp squad that Leaves survivors to die on hook, Rushes gens like crazy and splits map properly while not giving hag, a weak chase killer a hook without severe zoning then yes Hag is D-tier, arguably worst killer in the game, even past freddy HOWEVER, 99% of matches in dbd are not this. So honestly, tiering of trapping based killers highly depends on survivors competency. If your making an absolute list of strongest to weakest vs 4 man swf, than yes hag, merchant, and trapper are among worst killers in the game, but if your making tier list for average strength of soloq match no coordination, than these killer are somewhere in the middle because player don't take extra effort to make these killers bad. Like there is still people to this day that cannot follow trapper entire match and just disable his traps. there are still people to do this day that go down to 4.4 m/s hag and don't understand how to gen-rush hag and spreads gen. there are still people to this day that don't understand to crouch skull merchant drones and disable them to break 3 gens. as result of all these problems, these killer end up being a lot stronger than they're suppose to be.
@@dodang_9147 hag and skull merchant are absolutely not comparable lmfao
Hag is a Killer OTZ put 2020 in S Tier and everyone laughed about it
I personally think that most people on this game are used to completely one sided games. They either see a killer with 2-3 hooks before the first gen is done and think that it is going to be a 4k, or they see a killer that got his first down at 2 gens and think that it is an easy 4 surv scape. So for that reason when most players play killers designed to have a slow start and they indeed get a "bad start" even if they do not realize they do not play to win thinking that they've alredy lost. One of the things I love the most about this game is how a single mistake done by any side can rapidly change the outcome of a game, and the hag is one of those killers that can eaisly snowball after one single survivor does a mistake
A good hag player will wear down the survivors overtime, usually after their medkit depletes or the hag has franklins, the survivors always loses the battle of attrition
Every killer has it's own progression's curve throught a match, even killers that can have a really good start can struggle on middle and end game situations, so i agree with You.
I´m a Surv main and everytime two or three gens popping without anything happen from the Killer side, I start getting nervous. Often that is the point where Tombstone Myers starts his work or killers like the Hag or Trapper has their trap net ready.
Hag is definitely more of a snowball killer. One mistake like a hasty unhook can lead to extra hits and downs.
Just farm with her it’s easy
The hag is a killer you need to use your brain to make it op, which is bad since my brain has already decomposed after hearing the second sound thingy of when your trap is triggered, but I’m too far away to teleport
Never had a brain to begin with, thats why i play Killers like Pig, Wraith, Plaque^^
@@woodpecker8116 these killers actually need some skill to play
@@woodpecker8116Ahhh yes, Plaque, the tooth killer 😂
@@woodpecker8116 We are simple creatures with simple pleasures. I run fast and go stab with metal chase music as funny Frank man; and that's all for me.
If I gave more of a shit & had the ability to multitask under pressure though, i'd definitely main Singularity cause I think that killer is dope, but alas, my brain activity is more akin to a rock than it is to a normal human being lmao
Hag was the original "chess killer", before that skull merchant main destroyed this term forever.
You have to carefully place traps in a way the entire team of survivors get snowballed when occasionally they are forced to enter your "web". Then the game just ends...
Maybe the Hag were the friends we made along the way
:)
In my opinion, the thing that makes hag so divisive is the fact that she goes into the match with one gimmick, and if that gimmick doesn’t work there isn’t much you can do to adapt. With other killers, you have alternatives if you can’t use your power, usually M1 or some other alternative strategy. Or, in the case of say ranged killers, your power is so largely applicable that it can fit many sitautions. Hag needs to defend an area with her traps or prepare loops before hand, and if survivor prevent you from doing so by either breaking your defensible area or disabling your traps efficiently and harassing you, there isn’t much you can do because you are 4.4. She wins if survivors play into your gameplan, but if survivors take it slow and harass you, there isn’t much you can do.
theres several builds that completely change her playstyle so this isnt true
your waffling bro.
this is true ........ if you just started playing hag
@@qxdeath13 you can say that about any killer, so that isn’t really applicable
How the fuck are they gonna "harass" you by activating traps? You always get a hit or two and if they take the time to try and locate your traps, they're already wasting time, and even if they play around the traps by crouching, that's also a lot of time wasted, and you don't even need to do a 3 gen just prepare the overall map, you can trap in a lot of ways and is impossible to loop you if you're a little bit intelligent.
The Hag has one of the highest potentials to snowball into the Chadg out of the entire roster
You proved hag is amazing, hatch is gimiky in its own right and a 3k with a hatch escape is definitely a killer win and with no perks, you definitely proved it
6:03 That hit was genuinely the most cinematic thing I've ever laid my eyes upon
what do you mean bro
@@JohnCena-fd5yw It's the way he falls to the side all cuntily like
The Hag is like Michael Myers... it varies on circumstances. Get survivors who are familiar with her and you have a bad setup.... you will have a bad day. Go against the right survivors on the right map... you will own. The thing is you rarely see the hag played, so people don't get much experience with her.
She either excels or suffers.
Yep. I don't play Myers much, and I've never tried Tombstone, so I don't usually have very easy games with him. I usually get kinda dunked on. But one match ...
I loaded into Eyrie of Crows with a fairly standard build. Didn't feel great. I realized a survivor was on a generator behind main in one of those little gyms. They couldn't see me, and I was able to sneak close ... really close. I yoinked them and was surprised when two more survivors scurried off the gen like rats. I lashed out with an M1 and connected a hit ... and then they just panicked. They kept swarming me, and I just kept swinging. In about 15 seconds I went from being sad about playing Myers on Eyrie to having three downs. I just stared down at the two left on the floor, wiggling sadly, in disbelief. I was still in Tier 1 with zero stalk progress.
Sometimes you just get good games, lol.
Myers is always a steamroll, when I play against Myers my team either steamrolls or gets steamrolled. I like having really fair & balanced games but obviously that’s delusional because every killer is different. If the killer is too good I don’t have fun, if the killer is really bad I feel like shit, but if the killer is just right I have a lot of fun. Myers is either sad or annoying, that’s why I don’t like facing Myers and a lot of other killers, in general I think some killers I just simply can’t enjoy playing against unless there really bad or new to the character. Killers like Billy, Knight, Blight, Clown, Spirit are usually games where I don’t enjoy unless they’re bad or around my skill level.
Two biggest things I've learned from watching Otzdarva videos
1. Trapper is a pain
2. Hag will never not be underrated
this is a lesson. just because a character doesnt work for your play style, doesnt mean its a bad character.
Hag seems (to me at least) like a very strong killer, somewhere in A tier, but just a struggle for newer players who dont know how to get a good start and sometimes a little boring tbh. Her addons definetly make her shine IMO. The traps that bodyblock or dont tell survivors they're triggered are my favorites, but I don't know if they'd make her better per se
The Hag is one of the best killers in the game imo. She just requires patience & adaptability, which most people don't have. I do so well with her so consistently that I actually find her boring to play.
1. Her ability to protect a 3 gen is unparalleled, she can center her whole gameplan around it
2. Just her presence in a match can spook people into playing differently
3. If survivors aren't prepared she can end games VERY quickly, often with 4-5 gens left
4. Even if survivors are prepared, she can drag out the end game until somebody makes a mistake
5. One of the only killers that is viable without any perks, but also synergizes with a lot of great perks
Plenty of dbd games are decided on one moment of snowball for the killer. And Hag can damn well snowball, especially when she gets a few people injured. Often people have mindset to just rush gens and not have a person harassing her for most of the game what can really make her struggle. Kind off like with trapper
But well trapper has to have a person step exactly into a trap, cannot tp to it, has to pick up the traps from often awkward places and has a limited slots on traps and traps xd
I think Hag is in a similar boat to Myers now where basekit, for most players, she is OK and can do some damage but not very much without incorporating a lot of tunneling/camping into your gameplay. Once you slap on addons however her strength skyrockets and she suddenly becomes unfair with things like silent traps, bodyblocker, and tinnitus simulator
14:15 What's the song at the end of the video? Bit of a bop
Hag is probably my favorite killer nowadays to play. I play her very offensively, with Monitor and Abuse, BBQ, Nurse's Calling and Surge. Trap up places where survivors generally go in chases (they'll stay in cover when moving about normally but run directly to vault / pallet spots when in chase, so take advantage of this.) Don't waste traps on hooks, because I want them to unhook. More bloodpoints for me if they do! No matter how you play her, though, you can apply so much pressure with the proper preparation. It's not uncommon to have two generators pop before I get into my first chase, but by the time the fourth gen pops, I have two kills and nine hooks down. That's the power of offensive Hag.
...Defensive Hag, though, is not so fun. I don't know why you need eight traps around that one hooked survivor, but I feel like you're missing some of the fun here.
last time I played Hag, a survivor was able to click their flashlight once to thanos snap half your traps from the map, then a second click would remove the rest so she's definitely in a much better place
Friends otz, this is hello
I believe hag has a high game sense ceiling where if the person playing her knows what to camp and what gens to take advantage of she can be really strong in the comp scene even… I do think hag is really strong against new people as compared to someone like deathslinger who wouldn’t really be bad or strong against noobies… and then in the middle of mmr hag struggles bc you need a high amount of game sense
Hag is just like Trapper, both are set-up killers, set-up killer cannot be applied into a "quality/efficiency" tierlist, cuz they don't really depend on skill, they depend on how much the survivors are gonna mess up imo
Hag is a pretty good killer especially due to the fact people barely ever face her so they forget how to properly play around her, but you mix that with perfect trap placements shes extremely oppressive, theres a video of a guy going against pro players multiple times as her a ruining their streak
I unlocked hag recently, playing a couple of games with her. And as someone who played DBD for a bit over half a year now I found a few things that might throw "newer" players off (personal opinion incoming):
1. She's 110. I wiffed with her quite regulary before adapting to the lesser movementspeed.
2. You need to know when to chase and when not to. And if you decide wrong it's quite punishing with her.
3. You need to get a feeling for distances. Traps have a range after all.
4. You need to identify high traffic areas and strong loops.
5. Where exactly should you put your trap at those?
6. You might get a bit disorientated after a teleport.
7. Pressure or redoing traps?
8. Breath in, breath out. You will loose gens in the beginning. Don't panic. (Don't panic, don't panic, don't panic... 😅)
She is different from most killers and you need a lot of map/game awareness.
Sending myself to a small(ish) map that I know to some degree helped a lot.
You can't just hop on her for a match or two, you really need to get into a "hag mindset".
But after realizing how she works (more or less) it's quite fun to play as her.
I used to hate playing Hag because something about her doesn't click with me. I always lose control of the match and have zero fun. But then one day I tried Scarred Hand... and that clicked instantly.
When I use Scarred Hand, Hag is suddenly fun and makes sense. She's one of my favorites. I have Hag at P40 now just from buying Scarred Hands and Black Wards. I really like to pair it with Willow Wreath, slightly more than Waterlogged Shoe. It's just a combo that works well.
I hate the Hag daily though. Don't make me teleport!
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I believe Leatherface is also one of the most underrated killers espesically since his recent buff.
With every use of his power you either get an insta down or break a pallet and are in range again for an insta down AND its super easy to use. He takes a huge chunk of the survivor skill out of chase. He doesn't even need addons either, I haven't lost a game with him as of yet. Top of B tier possibly low A I think.
Love this video! This is how I feel as a Trapper main! I have a 65% win rate as him even tho he's considered the weakest and I don't ever have to slug or tunnel (I just don't like to) because he's strong af if you know how to play him and don't give up when your first down is at 2 gens.
I'm a hard hag main, still learning but I wouldn't say I'm bad with her. Imo she is very strong in the right hands but she has some major flaws that would need some buffing. For example if a survivor knows how to safely trigger her traps (i.e run the very outer edge of it and instantly w key away, the hag can't hit them no matter how fast she tp's there, no matter if she has coup and other lunge perks, she. can't. hit.), it can be impossible to catch those survivors. And they will usually bother you and disable all of your setup, and suddenly you're a super slow m1 killer with no power. You can try to use the camswing effect to your advantage when placing traps but good survivors will still outplay you. I feel like if she got buffed so she is at least physically able to hit survivors even if they trigger the trap outer edge and w key away, she'd become a way better reliable killer, and it would give her a chance to fight back against those survivors intentionally following you and taking away your entire power with nothing you can do about it. Genrush and healing is also rough against her, but if you play well you can still win against that. If I'm lucky I win the game at 5 gens, but more commonly everyone is dead between 1-3 gens, unless they know how to play against me, then I can't do much but keep trying to set up unexpected traps and try to chase normally.. I usually don't even get a hook until 3 gens left, but still win since that's when my web is done and survivors start running into my traps. On a normal killer that would pretty much be a doomed game already, but that's just how hag works. Overall though, she is not a weak killer if you know how to play her, but imo she needs some buffs to give her a chance against really good teams.
I am relatively new to DBD, playing since December but almost at 1K hours play. I don't main any single killer or survivor. I find the best way to understand what a killer or survivor can do using their base powers for killers/perks or perks for survivors is to play them. You learn all the strengths and weaknesses of both and learn what build works best without having to use a cookie cutter build for perks or add-ons. The killers I use to dread as a survivor, I now have a clearer understanding of how to counter them. Sun Tzu said " Know the enemy and know yourself in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril. "
Hag is Hag, that’s all I know.
I remember the days it took 6 seconds to draw a single trap, giving the survivors the ability to remove traps without a flashlight was the biggest nerf she ever received.
It’s fair to say some killers do well (and get ranked high in tier lists) because the average survivor player hates playing against them and gives up or doesn’t play seriously. I would put Hag in that category.
I think she's a very well designed killer for a horror game with her jumpscare traps, however her gameplay was never really my style and I'm bad at it, so I never played her much
Love Hag! She’s got awesome cosmetics, multiple playstyles thanks to good add ons, and people underestimate her. Also love the chase music. Shout out to Negoose for making me fall in love with the Granny!
Another thing to point out. She has the best totem protection power. With devour and ruin. It's constant pressure. In my opinion. People tend to focus more on totems lately. Which ends up costing people the match.
Man I’ve been convinced about Hag since that day you introduced us to Michi.
I was a hag enjoyed for so long, and I was dismayed at how easily she's countered - looks like I need to pick her back up!
DBD community be like: This killer loses if the survivors counterplay them correctly and play really well, this means they're low-tier trash.
Relying on your opponents being bad and not knowing what they’re doing in order to win is usually a sign of a killer being bad, yeah
Relying on your opponents being bad and not knowing what they’re doing in order to win is usually a sign of a killer being bad, yeah
@@Puretrash747 cant believe oni is g-tier because you can just pre-drop every pallet against him early on
I can see how she'd be super hard to tier, her entire kit is essentially in the survs hands.
So much being reliant on the survs would mean any other killer would be terrible.
Like a nurse which swing took a really long time too connect that it could be dodged on reaction would be the worst killer in the game.
but since there are so many traps and the visibility can be bad means its generally easy to make mistakes and a lot of them leading to massive snowballs.
lerys is a very killer-sided map against solo queue teams with no communication. you could easily 4k on any killer in that scenario so i don't really think the result of that initial hag match is indicative of anything, even though i agree that hag is higher than D-tier. The reality of the game is that the map you're on will almost always determine the outcome of the game right then and there, or will at least heavily skew the results one way or the other. A killer getting a map like garden of joy is almost always a loss whereas getting the re-worked haddonfield is almost always a win regardless of skill level. Of course a 4-man coordinated swf will be able to somewhat counteract those results but you don't go against those every day.
I feel like this is a defeatist attitude. Unless you're going against a swf or a player that fully intends on abusing a map for all its worth, while the map definitely impacts things, it doesn't decide the whole match just because you got a bad roll. It just feels like a way of going "Well *I* didnt play bad, it was the maps fault!". Bad maps absolutely exist, but they can be learned and worked around for most killers.
Billy is ass on that map 💀
If a team is coordinated, somewhat decent and ready to play the long game they can probably default win against hag by abusing the max kicking amount the killer can do and just running in the direction of an area that is of no interest for hag, for example somewhere where gens have already been done. Sooner or later gens should get done no matter the killers ability.
billy being in s tier is so shocking
Hag is always fun to play, shes engaging and you gotta be quick. Shes also extremely sneaky and has insane movement potential. One of the few killers who boast a different feel based on the addons they use, IE Myers.
Hag is the killer that I play when I feel particularily devious. I was _so_ afraid of playing her at first but she's so fun that I enjoy the match even if I don't kill everyone. Also definitely a +1 on her being kinda slow at the start, many times I had a situation where I had 0 kills by the time there was 1 gen left and then I pulled off a 2k, 3k or even a 4k
As someone who has played hag for the majority of my killer playtime. I will say that I find hag REALLY good at capitalizing on survivors' mistakes. Traps at pallets are good for zoning and creating a threat at the loop. I think she's awesome nonetheless and I think she's worth at LEAST a B tier.
Hag is a top tier killer around where Artist should be ranked I do think she got hit hard when mangled got nerfed
I feel like her traps should stay if the hag does not teleport or the survivor does not wipe them out, it will force survivor to use their counter and not just run into them all the second the hag is in an animation to clean the map of her traps. This will also rewarding the hag player who makes smart webs and can use her traps to corral a a survivor to a part of her web that harder to dodge and it will waste less time for the killer and more time for the survivor.
Playing survivor against otz on hag knowing full well what hes capable of on trapper would have me quaking in my boots personally
My only gripe with Hag is that i get dizzy or confused whenever the camera locks onto her when she teleports. Even when i see it coming and know she's teleporting, the camera locking onto her makes running awkward and confusing. The same goes for wesker whenever he chucks me like the wii remote i used to own
I cannot make it to your streams often, so thank you for making videos on youtube that I can watch when I find the time
Hag is one of those cases that, since no one plays her nor sees her in a match, no one can really determine if she's strong or weak. She's always been really strong imo
I think Hag is a highly skill-dependant killer. She has a (relatively) high skill floor but can excel in the hands of an experienced player. That said she has a good bit of counter play that can hinder her when survivors coordinate but again smart players can work around it. Overall I’d say Hag is solid A- mostly or an A+ if you’re practiced
The thing with hag is that well coordinated teams destroy her and it feels like you can’t do anything
Hag is very strong if played correctly. Similar to Trapper where if you can't place your traps correctly, you will barely if ever get someone trapped in it. Of course the difference being they could walk around the bear traps but they can't really walk around the sketches. Sure you could croush but I'm talking during chase, especially.
Also the map mobility is just insance and can be improved even more with addons. So yea, Hag is definitly pretty high in a killer tier list. I'd rate her at least A.
The hag, and every killer, CAN BE STRONG. Who tell if the kiler are or not is who play with him.
And the Behavior
I’m a minute in, but by design I think the hag will always be fairly decent. Unlike trapper, she doesn’t need to pick up her traps, larger radius, harder to see through grass, free slow unhooking, somewhat forced altruism with less skilled and non comm teams. Decent addons too
I put her mentally in a B tier with wiggle room to be slightly higher based on map and loadout pretty much at any given time
Hag is a very strange killer for me. Because I’m not really good with her but for a while she was the only killer I could use at higher ranks with 0 perks and still get 4 kills before they got the generators done 😅.
I like Hag but when playing against a SWF, it’s really difficult since you can be chasing someone while the teammates active all your traps purposely. Literally destroying your progress and wasting your time.
Two of my favorite builds are Mint rag / rusty chains with Franklin’s, hoarder, weave attunement, and human greed or with Fugitive chase, Nemesis, Make your choice, and coup de gace. Other than that body blocking Hag and aura reading hag is decent.
Hag is IMO up there on S tier alongside Nurse. If you aren't facing a fully coordinated SWF calling out all your traps, a good Hag will shut down 99% of survivor teams while barely breaking a sweat. Her gameplan only falls apart if you verse a coordinated team which makes an active effort to both monitor your trap placement and to disable them at every opportunity, which is only the case when versing survivors with hundreds of hours.
Hell, even against this kind of survivors, you can still potentially turn the tables with some good trap placement and playing around Kindred/OoO and other aura perks while abusing LoS to set up your net.
I just think the Hag is very player dependent, like the nurse.
A good nurse will make the players cry but a bad nurse won't even hit them. I think the Hag is a less extreme example of this, because she does rely a lot on fundamentals and trap placement. If you can place the traps in places where the players HAVE to go you either get a lot of hits or have intel on where they are, if not, you'll be just chasing them.
I think hag should take some of that "Good-Trap-Killer"ness and give it to Trapper. Seems only fair.
Hag is one of those killers where if you cant get going youll just get destroyed but also has the potential to fully shit on good players. Its a mixed bag
Imo all the killers are not on the low tier because it really just depends on the maps, the survivors, the perks and how good the killer really is. I've gone against pretty good Hag players and honestly she's fun to go against bc of how rare it is to go against a Hag.
Your argument is grounds for me claiming Original Freddy was actually strong.. Since I was able to, and I knew others who mained him at the time could as well.. Go against pro players and win, as "Iron Freddy" ( IE No perks, no addons, and only offerings allowed where BP offerings. ) but I would never actually make the claim that he was S tier. Was he better than what most people claim he was? Yes. However he was still kind of on the low side. The main reason why I did well as Freddy is due to the fact that I understood the base part of the game extremely well, same for the other people who mained Freddy at the time.
Side note, I was always better with Wraith, who I used to use a build that directly counters his own power, I still do in a way but its not the same as it used to be due to perk changes. ( It still has a lot going against his own power though since it uses The Beast Soot and Distressing together. Making him have a large Terror radius at all times. )
everyday I get 4 man slug fests because they all trigger my traps in an explosive situation - then the survivors say that I only won because I slugged and tunnelled. Just hag main things
Hag players have an amazing level of patience I could almost never achieve in dbd
Nice to see you in a good mood, Otz. Stay strong!
Nice opinion Otz unfortunetly I have 1 million points in Rise of Kingdom ! So I have the right opinion. (I haven't played DBD in 4 years)
i find the teleporting part of hag a bit boring sometimes, cause it also requires survivors to be unaware or "blind" (its easier when the survs dont use reshade as well), but bodyblocking hag/chag is a lot of fun for me! fav situation is always DDS inside of main upstairs and they just cant go anywhere hehehehehe
disliking the fact that chag got nerfed tho, when hag got buffed in general, cause the slow down has a shorter range since it scales with trigger range
I think the issue with both hag and trapper is that most of the time it turns into a "pseudo-campfest (hear me out).
Hags and trappers aren't incentivized to spread their traps around the map but around the hook after 1 guy is caught.
And survivors don't need to move around the map enough outside of unhooking to trigger traps. Just sit on a gen and nothing will happen to you.
With the hag I 70% of the time have a 4k. But maybe is because of my build, forced penitence, make your choice, hex (the one where you hang 5 and gets broken) and don't remember the last one
I have no idea Hag received any changes since I get no variety in my MMR range. Nurse, Blight, Weskar, and Spirit are the only four killers I really ever see.
Sometimes I will see Dracula, or Oni....but not often.
strong or not, i do give her bonus points for just being really fun sometimes and having very silly add-ons to work with. i hardly get bored of her
back before skull merchant and nemesis was even a thing i always played hag those old maps now see like distance memory . i got so good at playing as the hag that hags couldnt handle me when i went against her so bhrv had to buffer because i ran for like the whole match.
Hag is literally Trapper with his power limiters off
Hag was the killer that first carried me to rank 1 back in 2020. She is a strong killer, yet I have been destroyed by some teams quite well
lets goooooooooooooo it's time for the annual hag video
hag is only good in the hands of someone who learned how to play her. her slow speed and set-up gameplay make her hard to pick up and do well.
This is partially why I feel like there should be two tier lists: one for skill floor, and one for skill ceiling. There's a huge difference in how well some killers play from a fresh hand to an experienced one.
And judging by the severe lack of hags (yesterday was the first time I've seen one in 9 months), most hags are generally inexperienced and don't have many mentors to look up to. That coupled with the aforementioned slow speed and set-up make her far less of a desired choice compared to things like Blight, Wesker, and Huntress who can get value even from a newbie.
when i started playing before twins, hag was definitely a top 5 killer. through the gen kick meta she remained INCREDIBLY strong. since then, lots of new killers were added who are definitely stronger, and being able to wipe her traps out as base kit definitely hurt her a bit, but she's nowhere near bottom tier. people just dont play her properly and over extend. pick a 3/4 gen early, web it up, never leave, and you'll win most of your matches
I heavily dislike this new editing style to be honest. It's not bad but I don't think it fits with Otz's videos. Especially the "coming up" thing before the match and the background music.
The added background music is really distracting.
Ahh Hag...aka, Trapper 2.0, aka Proto-Skull Merchant. ("The Queen of 3-Gen in Exile")
Hag's viability primarily comes down to two things:
1) The Hag player's map knowledge and pathing
2) How knowledgeable and willing the survivors are to play Hag's game
Otz says Hag is very strong in public matches and that is very true...but she is in fact very, very weak if survivors flip the table on her, and make Hag play THEIR game instead. Because Hag's power is very defensive and reactionary, experienced players will know how to do this.
Fortunately for Hag, most of the survivor mains who used to face her regularly quit DBD a while back, and even today, most of the old Hag mains quit DBD during the mass-exodus of Killer mains back in late 2021 when Boon: Circle of Healing arrived to absolutely ruin the meta of most M1 killers.
So even though B:COH has been nerfed into obscurity today, most of the current DBD players don't play either as Hag or against Hag to know how to counter her.
The secret: Learn how to crouch-walk and how to stalk her, then disarm her traps and pressure objectives when she fails to detect you, or chases someone to the perimeter of her territory. Treat her like a Trapper, who doesn't have to pick their traps up and just frustrate the hell out of her.
Without her traps, Hag is beyond pathetic, as her regular chase is the weakest in the game. Having one or two survivors carefully maintaining surveillance on her while one or two others cranks gens will slowly but surely beat her, but you have to be PATIENT and you have to understand Hag's limitations.
Hag is NOT made to play the traditional slowdown heavy M1 chaser game; in fact, Hag wants to close down safe loops by bookending them, and then flushing people through their favorite loops, only to tele-bonk them by surprise. This is what I mean by making people play your game vs theirs; Hag excels at this sort of dynamic more than nearly any other killer in DBD, but is so reliant on it to win, that she becomes easily beaten by it too.
Unfortunately, this has the effect of making proper games against Hag long, dull wars of attrition...there's a reason why I call her "Proto-Skull Merchant".
I think hag is one of those killers you need alot of tact and experience with
I can't even remember the last time I played against a Hag tbh but I do think she is strong when played right.
Yeah personally I play hag a ton and will say she's my best and favorite killer next to the ghost face. My opinion is with good knowledge of her power and positioning she is mid A or high B tier. If you are playing her and don't like to set up as a killer then I see why she would be low tier to people. Hag is without a doubt a nice powerful killer and is very good at snowballing matches with some clutch traps and teleports. I never played her with no add ons or perks though so maybe I'll try it out.
I think the issue is hag is really strong like twins but the plays style tends to have the potential to be far more problematic than someone like Myers or even blight.
Skull merchant is strong with certain builds. But does it not feel like hell to vs it.
I think this leads people to write her off as being gimmicky or annoying which can lead some
To write her off as bad. And when people don’t play into her diffent playstyle they wonder why the aren’t winning.
I think of hag c tier because her cosmetic her power like trapper if survivor behind you the traps can be erased and if good comp smart team it might be little bit harder
50 perkless win streak with Hag and I believe you
I think she's pretty good. I just wish her trap trigger was not so loud for survivors. I have average volume in general but that shit sounds like a shotgun going off beside your ear.
She is very weak and very stressful to play. I don't know how Otz and Tru3 do it, but their survivors just don't know what they're doing against her, like ever. Look at the amount of hits this match where they were just in the middle of nowhere, instead of near loops. No spin techs to cheat the Hag of a tp hit, no tripping her traps at an inconvenient time, nothing. That one survivor literally ran down to basement to die. If you really get some experience with her, and face stronger and stronger survivors, you will see games with her where the first down is at like 3 gens done. Someone's always pressuring traps, they're getting body blocks or running to strong loops where you can't get them unless a trap is already there, they're always healed somehow, and the gens fly like nothing else. How these other survivors can just take forever to gens, and constantly run into the only 2-4 traps that are actually placed, I'll never know. This killer is too slow, and you can screw up all her traps too fast, for her to be strong. You could always use Rusty Shackles, but that's kind of her "no skill" add-on, so I don't use it. Maybe I should, because I tell you, I have not had 1 easy match with her ever.
I love the argument you make here. Hag is absolutely one of the most slept on killers of all time, and this video helps with her reputation. That being said, I don’t think everyone else has what you have Otz. You are a legend in the community with a brain to rival a super computer for DBD knowledge. I go to work and play like 2 games of DBD maybe a night, I don’t have Time to grind out struggle games with hag until I get good like you can. Hag IS fantastic, but the average person really can’t do much with her because of her insane skill expression. That being said, great video!!!
You're far too kind but even if you have little time, I still think Hag is much less complicated and requires far less reflexes than many of other Killers in the cast!
@@notOtzdarvaincredibly humble as always my friend, I hope you have a wonderful day and thank you for always having well made and educational content!!
Hag is a A teir killer! When I was a noob I played trapper a ton, and when I moved to hag to get her perks I was blown away by how oppressive she becomes when she gets set up. I would say at the beginning of the match she is a d teir killer but after the traps are set she becomes A instantly!
When I played Hag in my grind to get all the killers P3, I definitely did well. She's very good at what she does. But man is it a tedious experience playing as defensively as she has to lol
I'm probably just bad with her, I know, but I did very well. I think she was one of my highest kill rate killers by the time I put her down- but man that process was not fun. So coming into this video I'm in agreement that she's strong, but man is she unfun for both sides imo
If Waterlogged Shoe was a brown Hag would be S-tier in fun.
The argument that you can just "follow behind hag and trigger all her traps" to counter her never made sense to me, but it's one ppl use fairly often to prove she's D tier so idk
(I think she's strong tho, but it's like Hux, it takes a lot of effort, but she's strong)
Whoever commented that literally had no idea what they were talking about lmao like imagine telling a chef how to cook
Is the hag strong? Yeah, pretty decently strong. Definitely like A tier. Fun? That is completely subjective. I don’t think that she’s fun, I don’t find her gameplay on either side engaging. But if someone else finds her fun, cool, I’m glad you enjoy her. I just don’t get the serotonin boost from the trap hits, they aren’t satisfying and feel boring. Same can be said Skull Merchant, Trapper, and Singularity. I’m not a big fan of slow set up into suddenly fast paced teleports and snowballs, I just prefer steady constant pressure and chases all game. For me having all that setup to get the downs kills the chase. (Before anyone says anything, in case I didn’t make it clear enough, this is just my opinion. Once again fun is completely subjective.)
Never understand why people put Hag in low tier. Hag is a killer that easily dominates teams.
any killer that otz plays to win like he did in that lery's videos is S tier when playing against randoms, because he has 12k+ hours and does this for a living. hag is low tier because to be good wit her you have to put a lot of hours on her to be good with her. you need 10x less hours to be better with blight
I think people who think she is weak is because they have had bad experiences while playing her, which is understandable, she is a character that requires a specific mindset to be well played. They just don't get her