I actually had a chance to play this guitar when I was behind the stage with Zappa as part of the campus concert promotions organization (LATE 1970'S). Zappa, cigarette in hand and reading a book in the dressing room, was very kind to let me take a couple of licks.
As a dude who has burned a guitar or two with lighter fluid, the burn pattern on the one sold at auction as the Astoria guitar just doesn’t seem consistent with my own research. It looks more like it was done with a blow torch as the entire front of it has been charred. Where as if you look at both the remaining pieces of the Monterey, and the Zappa guitar they have a burn pattern that aligns more with the lighter fluid method. The lighter fluid combust pretty quickly and burns out. It doesn’t do as much damage as what is seen on the auction guitar. That’s my theory, anyway.
@@hangingchad_ It would matter more if it was a one time lighter fluid douse, light and burnout but when you keep feeding the flame with lighter fluid, like Jimi did, anything can happen.
The scratch on the back of Zappa's guitar while not conclusive, is more than a little intriguing and should be examined more closely as it appeared at first blush to match perfectly! The only incentive for faking wear on a guitar like this would be monetary gain and it was gifted to Frank! I think the confusion regarding at what gig the guitar suffered it's fate was just an honest mix up on the part of either Frank or "H". My money is on it being the Astoria strat.
It does at first glance but look closer all the marked areas are over done and dont follow exactly. I think its faked and if it was the burning is a great excuse for the extra wear.
@@Airhead348 I hear you, but Frank played the crap out of that guitar so of course the existing wear patterns will become exagerrated. In rewatching the video, and examining the first pics of the back of Jimi's Astoria Strat and Frank's Strat, I can see several marks that match pecisely though unless the photos are taken from the same angle with similar lighting it's difficult to know if you're seeing a mark or a reflection of a nearby light source. Also, if the guitar was gifted to Frank in the late 60's, Jimi was still alive, nobody was faking "Jimi guitars" at that time, not only that, it's not like you could whip out your smart phone and google pics of Jimi's Astoria Strat to aid you in knowing how to match wear patterns! Finally, why go to all that trouble to fake the guitar only to give it away?, Frank certainly didn't fake it and never tried to sell it, and the guitar was what it was long before Dweezil ever got it.
I appreciate that you careful to identify the veracity of different aspects of the story, history, recollections, and anecdotes about the guitar and burning. Thanks
“H” was indeed a roadie for Hendrix, and it’s likely the guitar really was one of Hendrix’s guitars as H didn’t ask for any money or even recognition as the source. A LOT of Hendrix’s gear wound up in all manner of different hands in the aftermath of his death as apparently there was no systematic accounting for/management of Hendrix’s stuff as he would just buy things on a whim. That Hendrix himself actually burned it…? That’s the question. Also, Frank didn’t seek to sell it, etc. So, I think it’s an authentic Hendrix guitar (remember, Hendrix bought dozens of Strats and just gave them away to people without a thought), it’s the burning that’s probably faked.
I have heard this also, Hendrix gave away a lot and had a lot more than documented, he hid a lot of gear from his manager and most people, heard he was pretty up on the manager scamming him too so he also went for the ride to see how much he could get back from the manager, they had a very odd relationship
@@Airhead348 it's possible, for sure. But Frank did actually hang out here and there with Jimi. So, any faking wasn't on Frank's part, why would he care? Who knows?
@@joelhague5515 No it was already beat up and potentially burned to look like one of the burned one's before Frank got it. I think the burning is their cover for it not having to be exact markings etc. If someone says it looks wrong H could say that's because of the fire.
@@Airhead348 sounds possible to me, but 🤷♂️. Why bother faking it and then giving it away for free? People view Hendrix from today's lenses. A piece of Hendrix gear back then wasn't worth much more than the retail price (particularly if it was damaged). Alernatively, why bother faking a piece to fool H who just turned around and gave it to Frank? "Street cred?" Practical joke? And then Frank sits on it for a few years, and the Zappas have never tried to sell it (Dweezil never will)? There's no motive. Frank was so unconcerned he let the carcass just sit in a corner. Dweezil just breaks it out to say, "Check this out." When Frank found out Dweezil was into Ed Van Halen, Frank just called up Ed and had Ed come over and meet Dweezil. That's the level Frank was at. He didn't need a cool story or piece of memorabilia. It's fake? Could be for sure. But I wouldn't doubt it if it's real, too. There's no real way to know.
Legend has it that Jimi put a Porterhouse steak on top of the strings and BBQ'd it while it burned. There are photos of Jimi, Mitch, and Noel eating the steak after the Astoria show.
The scratch on the back is either identical or damn close. If Jimi was wearing a certain belt buckle, doing a certain “Foxey Lady” move then theoretically you could end up with 2 different guitars having near identical scratches. JS
I had theory that both strats were Hendrixes. One was used for testing if it is possible to burn guitar this way, and the second one is the guitar that was burned on stage (Sorry if my english isnt top tier. Im from Czech Republic (Thank you for using footage from concert with Pražský Výběr) and English isnt my first language)
Jimi's doings were witnessed probably more than anybody in history due to his sensation...His first burning of a guitar was witnessed and recorded in the bios...The nerds would know the date and show...There was no "testing" of burning any guitar...
Honestly surprised we're already close to that 1k. We'll see if it goes anywhere or not from here, but I appreciate the kind words! Greetings back to rural Aus, cheers!
The Hendrix Miami pop festival CD mentioned that each artist played an afternoon and evening show. Could the Zappa strat have been burnt in the evening show with not very much photo evidence like the afternoon show?
@@thenoobassassin I agree i think a lot of people in the know are aware that Frank's guitar is a fake and he got duped. No sleazy Hendrix roadie gave that away not looking for anything out of it. I don't buy it one bit. If it was real why did Frank route it up and all that too?
The burst on the back of Zappa's strat is different to the Astoria strat. And there is one scratch on the other side of the comfort carve on the Asoria strat but not on Zappa's.
@@groundguitar Also at 7:52 it appears the wear on the front of the guitar around the top horn goes further than the Zappa strat. Around the edge there is paint off the Hendrix one closer to the centre pickup than the Zappa. And to add from what I said before I think the red burst part seems more even on the Zappa in that same area compared to the Hendrix pic.
I don't think we'll EVER get to the bottom of this I remember in the 91-92 thinking that people should really go to work on this to work it ALL out whilst People were still alive... either way the guy who bought the burned Strat @ auction with a transition logo deserves a serious refund!!
Yeaaah, but I really wonder what kind of proof the seller had on that guitar. Maybe the guy who bought it is sitting on indisputable evidence, and we're just here chasing nothing - who knows.
@@groundguitar good point but more likely they're too embarrassed to admit that they bought foolishly without adequate provenance also if s/he admits that they have no more information the value of their guitar will plummet so will have no wish of devaluing potential future assets..?
Compare the two necks, Zappa has skunk stripe, the Hendrix pics have no stripe, body maybe the same but is that enough? Would rather have a Hendrix neck than body
My bad, I forgot to note that the neck was destroyed and unusable when Frank got the guitar - so the one we see in the photos is a different neck (few different necks actually)
No one has seemed to bother to ask Frank's wife or even Steve Vai. Vai was working for Frank as early as 1978. I don't see the reason for faking something a few years after Jimi's death. Like someone said there was no real collectors value for the stuff in those days. That wouldn't happen til the 1990s. Sure there were fans that would pick up items and really hang on to them. There were a whole lot of other peoples guitars out there who would have had more value that were traded back and forth. As I remember Frank had it stuffed away in a closet somewhere. Speaking of value how much stuff is in Frank's recordings that have never been published? In total they might equal a Hendrix guitar.
The burned strat I think was probably kept by Jimi. After he died it was given to his friend frank. That just what makes sense to me, hence why I think that
7:08 I want to see video of Jimi playing a Les Paul. I’ve seen him playing his off white SG and his Flying V, but I’ve only ever seen 2-3 pics of him playing a LP. He wouldn’t be able to hit the highest frets on a LP 🤷🏼
What I'm seeing with this evidence is the 2008 guitar that sold for $575,000 is a crafty fake...But not crafty enough where they noticed the decal was different...The Zappa guitar is probably the real Astoria Strat, however there's a major wrinkle...Even though that guitar possesses a matching scratch across the back of the guitar, the photo of that guitar 3 weeks before the Astoria show shows a guitar that could not have produced the degree of wear seen on Zappa's guitar in only 3 weeks...Remember, this guitar was allegedly burned 3 weeks after the photo with the scratch so there is no reason why that guitar would have so much addition wear...It could not have been played by Jimi after the Astoria show because it would have been seen and photographed...So the story doesn't match the amount of wear and there is something wrong with the story behind both guitars...What is materializing here is that the Astoria guitar is the Zappa guitar and it was handled and played at Zappa's so much that it attained the extra wear...H wasn't at Astoria so he may have simply heard bad information about where it was burned...However there is still the unlikely possibility that the guitar with the scratch wasn't the Astoria guitar and that it was further played by Jimi, adding the extra wear, and then faked as the Astoria guitar...That would curiously make it a real Hendrix guitar fake...Interestingly enough, the real Black Strat from Monterey was smashed and burned at the Ambassador Theater in Washington DC...The broken pieces of that Strat were then stolen from the Theater manager's home in 1987...Again the joke is on whoever stole it because broken or unbroken it is worth millions...
i had herd that jimmy had only burned 2 guitars witch are acounted for but he did so many small gigs so who knows...franks was a real smart guy so i have to think franks guitar is the real deal..rip mr zappa
who really knows cept what found and seen there might be 5 guitars.but frank on the cover of guitar player mag i dont see frank doing that unless he knew it was real
Fair point, but then again, it's just what makes most sense. But yeah, he could've burned it backstage, or just among a group of friends, but that's just a complete shot in the dark.
I should had been the Howard Parking of the story, only that I'd barely bear Frank, I was born in 1973 and then I lost my hairs in 1984 when I was only eleven. Rockers, do they still kill kids for a living? And what they would use the most in the sophomore play?!
Anybody who claims that Jimi had a burned Strat "restored" in 1967/68 should be immediately dismissed as either a bullshit artist - or as a clueless idiot who knows nothing about the man and his approach to his tools. That would have pretty much been the absolute last thing he would have bothered with. He didn't even ever have the frets dressed on practically any of his guitars, because he simply didn't use most of them long enough to develop any significant fret wear with the .010 (or .009)-to-.038 string sets he used. Even though he was very rough on his guitars in other ways, he was not at all a player who bashed his instruments up through the actual playing, except for the vibrato systems and occasional outbursts. You can't go regular "Townshend" all night on a .038 low E string, tuned to Eb. Jimi loved Dick Dale's playing, but his approach to picking was the exact opposite. Mostly light and fluid, but with very dynamic accents. And definitely no .016-to-.060 bridge cables! He only settled down a little and stopped going through strats like tissues when he got the black one (that Uli Jon Roth inherited from Monika Danneman) and the white one (the Woodstock guitar) with the maple cap fretboards and big CBS-era headstocks. The Strats with the rosewood fretboards before those just came and went in rapid succession. The only "restoring" that ever happened, was when the necks came off during certain on-stage stunts and could be screwed back on. Sometimes a still-usable neck replaced a broken one on a different Strat. The (in)famous "Newport Pop Festival" Strat even had a Telecaster neck. I guess that was all they could find at the time to repair that one in time for the gig. Other than that, the guitars just got set up for the reversed order of the strings (nut and intonation of the bridge saddles, obviously)- and to work as well as possible mechanically, especially the vibrato systems. Sometimes excess paint was removed from the neck pockets for better/tighter mechanical coupling - and Roger Mayer supposedly disconnected the tone controls on some of Jimi's Strats. He didn't use those for the most part anyway and sometimes turned them down accidentally when his forearm brushed against the knobs.
The scratches could easily be duplicated after his death, and actually look deeper than original. That said the Zappa family has a history of backstabbing and false info, so it's never going to be solved without serial numbers
Probably yeah, hard to think this will be resolved without serial numbers. What kind of history does Zappa family have related to fake info btw? I'm not familiar with that.
What if this… the strat that was auctioned off for $600k and the Zappa strat are both composed of the Astoria strat. Like… Zappa’s is the body and the other has the neck, pickguard assembly, etc? To me the body on the $600k guitar looks too contrived to be real but everything else looks real. Anyway… just my ¢.02
Because we should accept our AI overlords sooner rather than later. Joking aside - it was the chepest option, but I'm getting an actual narrator soon 😄
@@groundguitaryou are right, sorry, I was just feeling a bit frustrated as many young guys focus on all kinds of details but do not get to know his music, but of course this is a guitar channel !
Too much inconsistency to tell what story is true. There are a lot of money hungry people in this world that would fake a guitar especially one that belonged to Jimi. Then again there are gullible people that would believe anything to get their hands on a Hendrix guitar. Too much misery for me to believe anything. I need concrete proof personally.
I actually had a chance to play this guitar when I was behind the stage with Zappa as part of the campus concert promotions organization (LATE 1970'S). Zappa, cigarette in hand and reading a book in the dressing room, was very kind to let me take a couple of licks.
As a dude who has burned a guitar or two with lighter fluid, the burn pattern on the one sold at auction as the Astoria guitar just doesn’t seem consistent with my own research. It looks more like it was done with a blow torch as the entire front of it has been charred. Where as if you look at both the remaining pieces of the Monterey, and the Zappa guitar they have a burn pattern that aligns more with the lighter fluid method. The lighter fluid combust pretty quickly and burns out. It doesn’t do as much damage as what is seen on the auction guitar. That’s my theory, anyway.
It probably makes a pretty big difference when your lighting up a laquered guitar vs polyester or polyurethane, but what do I know?🤷♂️
@@hangingchad_ agreed but mine were lacquered not poly.
@@hangingchad_ It would matter more if it was a one time lighter fluid douse, light and burnout but when you keep feeding the flame with lighter fluid, like Jimi did, anything can happen.
I think they are both fake. Jimi was notoriously surrounded by sleesballs
@@Airhead348 good theory tbh
The scratch on the back of Zappa's guitar while not conclusive, is more than a little intriguing and should be examined more closely as it appeared at first blush to match perfectly! The only incentive for faking wear on a guitar like this would be monetary gain and it was gifted to Frank! I think the confusion regarding at what gig the guitar suffered it's fate was just an honest mix up on the part of either Frank or "H". My money is on it being the Astoria strat.
It does at first glance but look closer all the marked areas are over done and dont follow exactly. I think its faked and if it was the burning is a great excuse for the extra wear.
@@Airhead348 I hear you, but Frank played the crap out of that guitar so of course the existing wear patterns will become exagerrated. In rewatching the video, and examining the first pics of the back of Jimi's Astoria Strat and Frank's Strat, I can see several marks that match pecisely though unless the photos are taken from the same angle with similar lighting it's difficult to know if you're seeing a mark or a reflection of a nearby light source. Also, if the guitar was gifted to Frank in the late 60's, Jimi was still alive, nobody was faking "Jimi guitars" at that time, not only that, it's not like you could whip out your smart phone and google pics of Jimi's Astoria Strat to aid you in knowing how to match wear patterns! Finally, why go to all that trouble to fake the guitar only to give it away?, Frank certainly didn't fake it and never tried to sell it, and the guitar was what it was long before Dweezil ever got it.
I appreciate that you careful to identify the veracity of different aspects of the story, history, recollections, and anecdotes about the guitar and burning. Thanks
“H” was indeed a roadie for Hendrix, and it’s likely the guitar really was one of Hendrix’s guitars as H didn’t ask for any money or even recognition as the source. A LOT of Hendrix’s gear wound up in all manner of different hands in the aftermath of his death as apparently there was no systematic accounting for/management of Hendrix’s stuff as he would just buy things on a whim. That Hendrix himself actually burned it…? That’s the question. Also, Frank didn’t seek to sell it, etc. So, I think it’s an authentic Hendrix guitar (remember, Hendrix bought dozens of Strats and just gave them away to people without a thought), it’s the burning that’s probably faked.
I have heard this also, Hendrix gave away a lot and had a lot more than documented, he hid a lot of gear from his manager and most people, heard he was pretty up on the manager scamming him too so he also went for the ride to see how much he could get back from the manager, they had a very odd relationship
Those markings look faked. Everyone of them has more wear over the marked area. I think the Zappa strat is faked
@@Airhead348 it's possible, for sure. But Frank did actually hang out here and there with Jimi. So, any faking wasn't on Frank's part, why would he care? Who knows?
@@joelhague5515 No it was already beat up and potentially burned to look like one of the burned one's before Frank got it. I think the burning is their cover for it not having to be exact markings etc. If someone says it looks wrong H could say that's because of the fire.
@@Airhead348 sounds possible to me, but 🤷♂️. Why bother faking it and then giving it away for free? People view Hendrix from today's lenses. A piece of Hendrix gear back then wasn't worth much more than the retail price (particularly if it was damaged). Alernatively, why bother faking a piece to fool H who just turned around and gave it to Frank? "Street cred?" Practical joke? And then Frank sits on it for a few years, and the Zappas have never tried to sell it (Dweezil never will)? There's no motive. Frank was so unconcerned he let the carcass just sit in a corner. Dweezil just breaks it out to say, "Check this out." When Frank found out Dweezil was into Ed Van Halen, Frank just called up Ed and had Ed come over and meet Dweezil. That's the level Frank was at. He didn't need a cool story or piece of memorabilia. It's fake? Could be for sure. But I wouldn't doubt it if it's real, too. There's no real way to know.
this is turning out to be a fantastic channel!
Thank You for covering the story. Never knew about this guitar. I must have overlooked this instrument for all this years.
Great video! Thanks for posting.
Legend has it that Jimi put a Porterhouse steak on top of the strings and BBQ'd it while it burned. There are photos of Jimi, Mitch, and Noel eating the steak after the Astoria show.
Haha, never heard that one.
There must be a record of the serial numbers on Jimi's guitars . Perhaps the guitar shop has paper records . Both from USA and England . ✨🇺🇸🎸✨☮️
The scratch on the back is either identical or damn close.
If Jimi was wearing a certain belt buckle, doing a certain “Foxey Lady” move then theoretically you could end up with 2 different guitars having near identical scratches. JS
I had theory that both strats were Hendrixes. One was used for testing if it is possible to burn guitar this way, and the second one is the guitar that was burned on stage (Sorry if my english isnt top tier. Im from Czech Republic (Thank you for using footage from concert with Pražský Výběr) and English isnt my first language)
Jimi's doings were witnessed probably more than anybody in history due to his sensation...His first burning of a guitar was witnessed and recorded in the bios...The nerds would know the date and show...There was no "testing" of burning any guitar...
Your English is excellent!
@@Exiles800 As a fan of diverse opinions, it's heartening to read input from a proper old school idiot.
Awesome channel, greetings from rural Australia 🤘🏼🇦🇺
One day I will be able to say I was in the first 1000 subscribers 😆🚀
Honestly surprised we're already close to that 1k. We'll see if it goes anywhere or not from here, but I appreciate the kind words! Greetings back to rural Aus, cheers!
Love the background music
One of the burned Strats is on display at the Hard rock hotel and casino in Las Vegas. Along with a cape worn by Hendrix.
One of the guitars seen in the video, or a completely different one?
@@groundguitar I have a picture of it, I'll find it and send it to you.
@@bsmith8554 Ok, I appreciate that. You can send it to danko@groundguitar.com
The Hendrix Miami pop festival CD mentioned that each artist played an afternoon and evening show. Could the Zappa strat have been burnt in the evening show with not very much photo evidence like the afternoon show?
Ken Davidoff, whos recollection is probably the best one to rely on, said that he attended both shows.
No this guitar 1000% wasn’t burned at Miami. Too many accounts and witnesses saying otherwise. This needs to be put to rest already
@@thenoobassassin I agree i think a lot of people in the know are aware that Frank's guitar is a fake and he got duped. No sleazy Hendrix roadie gave that away not looking for anything out of it. I don't buy it one bit. If it was real why did Frank route it up and all that too?
The burst on the back of Zappa's strat is different to the Astoria strat. And there is one scratch on the other side of the comfort carve on the Asoria strat but not on Zappa's.
Yup thanks. I think the Zappa strat is faked.
Hm, where exactly? Like along the edge of the curve towards the strap button?
@@groundguitar Sorry I have to correct myself. At 8:01 the bottom horn from the neck plate down. The burst on Zappas follows the edge better.
@@Rolli6669 I'm still having trouble seeing it. Is this what you're refering to - i.imgur.com/tnSiVnt.jpg
@@groundguitar Also at 7:52 it appears the wear on the front of the guitar around the top horn goes further than the Zappa strat. Around the edge there is paint off the Hendrix one closer to the centre pickup than the Zappa. And to add from what I said before I think the red burst part seems more even on the Zappa in that same area compared to the Hendrix pic.
I like to believe this summary, end of. Jimi and Frank, what a combination. ❤
i’ve never seen a picture of jimi playing anything except strats. i didn’t know he played a les paul and an explorer at one point
I don't think we'll EVER get to the bottom of this
I remember in the 91-92 thinking that people should really go to work on this to work it ALL out whilst People were still alive...
either way the guy who bought the burned Strat @ auction with a transition logo deserves a serious refund!!
Yeaaah, but I really wonder what kind of proof the seller had on that guitar. Maybe the guy who bought it is sitting on indisputable evidence, and we're just here chasing nothing - who knows.
@@groundguitar good point but more likely they're too embarrassed to admit that they bought foolishly without adequate provenance
also if s/he admits that they have no more information the value of their guitar will plummet so will have no wish of devaluing potential future assets..?
Maybe he had burnt the guitar offstage?
Its no secret i want that guitar!
Compare the two necks, Zappa has skunk stripe, the Hendrix pics have no stripe, body maybe the same but is that enough? Would rather have a Hendrix neck than body
The necks can be changed too obviously but I think Zappa said the original neck was fried but he still had it somewhere, can probably track that down
My bad, I forgot to note that the neck was destroyed and unusable when Frank got the guitar - so the one we see in the photos is a different neck (few different necks actually)
Excellent argument. Kinda stupid that someone forked out that whole heap of money for an unverified instrument. You need more subscribers.
No one has seemed to bother to ask Frank's wife or even Steve Vai. Vai was working for Frank as early as 1978. I don't see the reason for faking something a few years after Jimi's death. Like someone said there was no real collectors value for the stuff in those days. That wouldn't happen til the 1990s. Sure there were fans that would pick up items and really hang on to them. There were a whole lot of other peoples guitars out there who would have had more value that were traded back and forth. As I remember Frank had it stuffed away in a closet somewhere. Speaking of value how much stuff is in Frank's recordings that have never been published? In total they might equal a Hendrix guitar.
The burned strat I think was probably kept by Jimi. After he died it was given to his friend frank. That just what makes sense to me, hence why I think that
7:08
I want to see video of Jimi playing a Les Paul.
I’ve seen him playing his off white SG and his Flying V, but I’ve only ever seen 2-3 pics of him playing a LP. He wouldn’t be able to hit the highest frets on a LP 🤷🏼
Not a match was lit there except to torch a joint.
If Frank says “don’t eat the yellow snow” we should all believe him.
fascinating....but in the grand scheme of things....
What I'm seeing with this evidence is the 2008 guitar that sold for $575,000 is a crafty fake...But not crafty enough where they noticed the decal was different...The Zappa guitar is probably the real Astoria Strat, however there's a major wrinkle...Even though that guitar possesses a matching scratch across the back of the guitar, the photo of that guitar 3 weeks before the Astoria show shows a guitar that could not have produced the degree of wear seen on Zappa's guitar in only 3 weeks...Remember, this guitar was allegedly burned 3 weeks after the photo with the scratch so there is no reason why that guitar would have so much addition wear...It could not have been played by Jimi after the Astoria show because it would have been seen and photographed...So the story doesn't match the amount of wear and there is something wrong with the story behind both guitars...What is materializing here is that the Astoria guitar is the Zappa guitar and it was handled and played at Zappa's so much that it attained the extra wear...H wasn't at Astoria so he may have simply heard bad information about where it was burned...However there is still the unlikely possibility that the guitar with the scratch wasn't the Astoria guitar and that it was further played by Jimi, adding the extra wear, and then faked as the Astoria guitar...That would curiously make it a real Hendrix guitar fake...Interestingly enough, the real Black Strat from Monterey was smashed and burned at the Ambassador Theater in Washington DC...The broken pieces of that Strat were then stolen from the Theater manager's home in 1987...Again the joke is on whoever stole it because broken or unbroken it is worth millions...
Wear and all things consired, zappas guitar is that hendrix one.
i had herd that jimmy had only burned 2 guitars witch are acounted for but he did so many small gigs so who knows...franks was a real smart guy so i have to think franks guitar is the real deal..rip mr zappa
It was two until very recently, but some new photos from Ambassador Theatre emerged and showed what looked like the third guitar.
who really knows cept what found and seen there might be 5 guitars.but frank on the cover of guitar player mag i dont see frank doing that unless he knew it was real
Who says that Hendrix burned it onstage?
Fair point, but then again, it's just what makes most sense. But yeah, he could've burned it backstage, or just among a group of friends, but that's just a complete shot in the dark.
@@groundguitar possible Bar B Q? 😂
I should had been the Howard Parking of the story, only that I'd barely bear Frank, I was born in 1973 and then I lost my hairs in 1984 when I was only eleven. Rockers, do they still kill kids for a living? And what they would use the most in the sophomore play?!
Anybody who claims that Jimi had a burned Strat "restored" in 1967/68 should be immediately dismissed as either a bullshit artist - or as a clueless idiot who knows nothing about the man and his approach to his tools. That would have pretty much been the absolute last thing he would have bothered with. He didn't even ever have the frets dressed on practically any of his guitars, because he simply didn't use most of them long enough to develop any significant fret wear with the .010 (or .009)-to-.038 string sets he used. Even though he was very rough on his guitars in other ways, he was not at all a player who bashed his instruments up through the actual playing, except for the vibrato systems and occasional outbursts. You can't go regular "Townshend" all night on a .038 low E string, tuned to Eb. Jimi loved Dick Dale's playing, but his approach to picking was the exact opposite. Mostly light and fluid, but with very dynamic accents. And definitely no .016-to-.060 bridge cables!
He only settled down a little and stopped going through strats like tissues when he got the black one (that Uli Jon Roth inherited from Monika Danneman) and the white one (the Woodstock guitar) with the maple cap fretboards and big CBS-era headstocks. The Strats with the rosewood fretboards before those just came and went in rapid succession. The only "restoring" that ever happened, was when the necks came off during certain on-stage stunts and could be screwed back on. Sometimes a still-usable neck replaced a broken one on a different Strat. The (in)famous "Newport Pop Festival" Strat even had a Telecaster neck. I guess that was all they could find at the time to repair that one in time for the gig.
Other than that, the guitars just got set up for the reversed order of the strings (nut and intonation of the bridge saddles, obviously)- and to work as well as possible mechanically, especially the vibrato systems. Sometimes excess paint was removed from the neck pockets for better/tighter mechanical coupling - and Roger Mayer supposedly disconnected the tone controls on some of Jimi's Strats. He didn't use those for the most part anyway and sometimes turned them down accidentally when his forearm brushed against the knobs.
Both guitars mentioned had different headstocks…something doesn’t match up.
Zappa guitar had a new neck on it, and we don't know what the original neck looked like as it was apparently destroyed by Jimi.
Lol Zappa called his burned Hendrix Strat the "Ronsonol Special".
Could it have been a different gig?
The scratches could easily be duplicated after his death, and actually look deeper than original. That said the Zappa family has a history of backstabbing and false info, so it's never going to be solved without serial numbers
Probably yeah, hard to think this will be resolved without serial numbers. What kind of history does Zappa family have related to fake info btw? I'm not familiar with that.
What if this… the strat that was auctioned off for $600k and the Zappa strat are both composed of the Astoria strat. Like… Zappa’s is the body and the other has the neck, pickguard assembly, etc? To me the body on the $600k guitar looks too contrived to be real but everything else looks real. Anyway… just my ¢.02
the zappa guitar is the real astoria
Why the ai voice man......
Because we should accept our AI overlords sooner rather than later. Joking aside - it was the chepest option, but I'm getting an actual narrator soon 😄
Why did he ruin it whith that pick guard 🤮
the ai voice is throwing me off
Yeah, it's a common sentiment. Wish I didn't use AI, but it's too late now.
Frank has no need to make up stories,thats what most guitarists did was give a guitar aeay here and there.
No one is saying Frank made anything up, but perhaps Howard did, or whoever gave the guitar to Howard. Anyways, we'll probably never know...
Who cares...? I listen and love Hendrix MUSIC since the 70,s but who cares about stuff like this?
Who cares about what other people care about? Just enjoy the stuff that you do, and leave people be.
@@groundguitaryou are right, sorry, I was just feeling a bit frustrated as many young guys focus on all kinds of details but do not get to know his music, but of course this is a guitar channel !
Too much inconsistency to tell what story is true. There are a lot of money hungry people in this world that would fake a guitar especially one that belonged to Jimi. Then again there are gullible people that would believe anything to get their hands on a Hendrix guitar. Too much misery for me to believe anything. I need concrete proof personally.