tyler: *breathes* the clique: “he was inhaling positivity and exhaling all of the negative thoughts that fill his troubled mind. he is so strong, we should all strive to be like him.”
That’s not just tøp tho. If social media was around in the 90s or earlier they would have done the same for Kurt Cobain or Thom Yorke or even Ian Curtis. Fans make the music personal so they want to make the PEOPLE who make the music personal as well by over-analysing, looking for any tiny detail that shows more of the people they idolise. What they fail to realise is that no one is gonna open up completely in front of an audience (only exception is Dan Harmon but he is.... special 😂)
I always feel like HATING a band for being overplayed is a very stupid reason. Of course, you can grow tired of listening to something. Twenty One Pilots is my favorite band, and I even feel like I've grown tired of their music before because I have listened to them so much. I just don't understand why anyone would shit on a band because their songs are being played every half hour on the radio or something. If you don't want to listen to it, then switch to another channel or turn the radio off for a couple of minutes...
DanneBOI I agree to a certain extent. Some songs from bands that I like fall victim to being overplayed and it ruins the song eventually. But when you are basically forced to listen to the same pop BS all day because your work plays it, I hate the crap out of it to the point where i want the "artist" (if thats what you call them) to never make music ever again
I agree, but when I went to see them during Tour De Columbus, everyone was calm there where 0 problems, so I feel like it's certain people maybe the ones that push to the front, but idk.
DanneBOI Agreed I used to listen to TØP 14 hours a day and got a little tired of it for a while but I always respected them and am getting back into them lol
My friends all through high school were just all about them, it's all I'd hear about. I like their music, it's just a shame that whenever I hear their name I just groan
Reason #1: I love Ty's voice, I think it's unique af, but people have opinions so- Reason #2: It's called metaphors, and metaphors are called art. Since I love metaphors and hidden meanings, Tyler's lyrics really speak to me. Reason #3: Sometimes I really don't like being in the clique. I used to be a huge obsessed fan, but I never accused people of being 'fake fans' or said that Tyler and Josh were 'Gods', and I never hated on someone for saying '21 pilots'. Also fanart: WHY PEOPLE? REALLY? Also people take Joshler *way* too far. Like, okay, you can ship it, but there's a line. But sometimes the clique is a good place to be, too. If I ever need support I know I can go to the clique and they will be there for me. Reason #4: I'm not 'christian', but I believe in God. I don't like to put myself into a box, but yeah, I go to church and I pray. But even though they mention God in some of their songs, it's not deliberate. Like he said, it's open for interpretation. Reason #5: Yes, their popular songs are overplayed. But so are every other artists' popular music. As for overrated, they worked hard for their popularity, so if you think they're overrated, take a moment to realize that every other artist probably has it worse. Reason #6: Their aesthetic has it's deeper meaning. Personally, I don't look at them as emo at all. They have different aesthetic for every album, and you have to admit, Trench's aesthetic is not emo at all.
@@fedoralostatsea4734 yeah i agree lmao. I draw fanart too, but I was just referring to the sexual shit that people draw. and ye, same with fanfiction. no judgement though.
I will say, I find it rather annoying when fans say that their lyrics aren't for everyone and you have to really pay attention to understand, because I disagree, their music and the story behind it is NOT difficult to catch onto. I'd say anyone over the age of 12 can understand the meaning behind their songs. They're not that special.
@@KB-yf3wt I think those clique members simply can't fathom that someone else knows more than them. really makes me ashamed to be a part of the clique sometimes.
Twenty One Pilots writes some of the best lyrics I've seen. I seriously respect them and am proud they're my favorite band. The fanbase is usually very respectful and helpful and all around great. IT'S THE CANCEROUS ones, the cringey ones, that people see more often and that kinda sucks. The terrible fans are just a really loud minority.
@نائلة محمود sorry for being late but the only fake fans are those who pretend to listen to the band for popularity, not because they actually like the music. And actually the toxic ones I would call fake fans too. Real fans don't act like that. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Have a great day 😊
Dude, not to start an argument or anything but I don't think you should call a fanbase cancer. It's not that bad if you manage to get on the right side. There are really loving and supportive people in the clique and I've met so many great people and everyone at the concerts I went to were so calm and helped one another. I think it's the internet fans that cause the most problems. We may come off as toxic and disgusting but a lot of us are actually amazing and taleneted people.
Joshy Woshy Woo this is where the problem lies. Of course not every fan is like that but the obnoxious ones give people a bad taste. It's in our nature to generalize and the best way to solve this is for everyone to get together and change those bad impressions
@Panic!! at the tøp they are as defensive as kpop fans. i'm fan of both top and some kpop groups and i can assure you that they are the same. obviously some kpop fandoms are wayyyy more toxic than clique, but majority of them are like this fandom. there is a difference between being defensive and litteraly crying for nothing tyuvij i saw so many times clique litteraly bullying people on internet for opinions like ????
i hate when people stereotype them as emo just because of their image when a lot of their songs are really upbeat and they really emo like u can enjoy them without having to be emo
Twenty One Pilots are legit talent , that actually have 1) Vocalist with no fcking *autotune* 2) Plays instruments *live* 3) Not created by a garbage giant music conglomerate, cause daddy & mommy were signed talent years ago. The biggest garbage is *autotune* rap music , if you can call it music.
@@aarons0z992 i know this was 3 months ago but I think that he mentioned it was him experimenting with editing, and that's pretty likely seeing what his voice can do haha
The clique is the reason why I don’t tell people I like top because I’m afraid of being associated with the fanbase And the religious part: as an atheist it really doesn’t bother me at all
les that's how I was untill I realized that it didn't matter. There are good sides of the clique that I'm in right now and I'm not going to be afraid to say they're my favorite band just because some people are gonna assume things about me
My best friend's mom is an atheist and she lets her kid listen to twenty one pilots and she's pretty careful about that stuff. I don't see why religion bothers people so much. I'm a christian but I'm friends with a few really nice muslims. I don't really agree with it, but there is no need to get triggered over it like some people do
I'm an atheists and a big fan (not a toxic fan) of twenty one pilots and I don't really care about the fact that they mention god at all I believe we all have a right to be and believe what we want
There's many positive fans in the clique, but i don't know why the toxic fans has more like "popularity" you know? I don't think that the whole clique is toxic. But yeah, there's a bunch of fans who try to protect them, that's annoying. And the fact that they not respect their relationships.. stop with the nasty joshler fanfiction please. (I ship joshler but not in that way).
yess, like i used to but when tyler got married i was like,"yall this is wrong i aint doing this no more cause jenna is beautiful and deserves our love too" and that 'joshler' phase just makes me gag now, theyre platonic and everyone knows that. bros is what they are
I agree, I’m a part of the clique, but I’m not the one that likes to shoot at other people for getting a small thing wrong or whatever. I like to send positive messages in the comment and just enjoy there music ||-// stay alive friends 😊
I found TØP around late 2013, and have seen them live three times. And honestly, the clique seemed pretty nice back when I found them, I guess the positive "stay alive" part of the clique were the majority at the time. However through the years and with their increase in popularity I have seen the toxic part come into the majority, being extremely hateful and telling others to kill themselves (which is the exact opposite of the entire band and their message). I hated seeing all of this stuff, I used to really embrace being part of the skeleton clique, but now I mostly separate myself from that, just simply saying I'm a fan of the band. The part of religion personally doesn't bother me, they believe in what they believe in and I'm not going to shame them for it. I can still enjoy songs like Be Concerned (a song about Tyler questioning his faith) and A Car, A Torch, A Death (which straight up talks about God) because I believe they are good songs, they sound good and I know that Tyler pours his heart out into each song and I'm not going to hate for someone expressing themselves, that's what music is about, expression. That also leads into the whole "fake emo" thing, they're both obviously alternative and listen to stuff that is considered emo (like MCR, they even did a cover for Rocksound of the song Cancer). They are expressing themselves through their image and presence, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's hate on the whole black hands and neck thing Tyler does, and that ties into the whole "fake look" thing, but that's just another form of expression and symbolism. Blurryface is the name given to Tyler's anxiety, fears, bad stuff in general and if I remember correctly, he believes that the hands and neck are the most vulnerable places and the black represents Blurryface and how it affects him. There are many valid points to dislike them, such as it being not your style or disliking his voice, but a lot of them are a bit ridiculous in my opinion. This comment went much longer than expected whoops but there's a bit of rant
I started being a good fan of them in November 2017. I never really cared about the fanbases of my favorite bands because everyone has their own opinion on them as long as they don't deminuitize others for having a different one. I have heard most of their songs already and although Vessel is my least favorite album, it's still good in some aspects and I'll willingly listen to it.
Right around the tine tøp broke into the mainstream, their fan base went from "teens and young adults who care for the band and each other" to "a cult of teens and preteens that worship the band and despise anyone who isn't part of their in-group." It's honestly really sad
EXACTLY. And the crazy fans are infectious, anything twenty one pilots is involved in, they're there to go twenty one pilots crazy about it. It's ok to like a band without shouting to the world that you love them. And to make matters worse, I've seen comments about teens or young kids, I'm assuming here that they're young, wishing that they had depression, anxiety, etc. in order to relate to the songs better. To the people that do this, YOU'VE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT TOP IS TRYING TO GET ACROSS. Mental illness is not something to wish for. It's always there, and it hurts. All the time. In addition, I personally feel that this is very inconsiderate and insensitive to those that do have these issues. Mental illnesses aren't some character trait that makes you unique. They are real illnesses, and have brought so much pain to so many individuals in society.
people have sent me (poorly worded) death threats because I said that the forest fic was sad but the way people blow it out of proportion and have run the joke into the ground. it's insane.
Tbh, i'm 13 and I liked the band since 2015 (I was introduced through Stressed Out, but my current favorite song is Air Catcher) and I really don't care if people like or dislike a certain band/artist, like if somebody says they like Lil Pump good for them, and if someone says they like Twenty one Pilots, I would ask, "Cool! I like Twenty one Pilots too! What's your favorite song? **me: says favorite song** **They say favorite song**" And whatever that song is, I won't hate on them.
James Mercer that's good, man. I didn't mean to imply that every tøp fan is toxic, just to point out that those that are often drown out those who are doing it right. Keep doing you!
Save yourself 10 minutes. #1 Tyler's Vocals #2 lyrics you have to pay attention to in order to understand. (sorry, this one pisses me off.) #3 the fan base (understandable). #4 religious associations. #5 overplayed and overrated (not overrated, overexposed) (not wrong) #6 "emo" aesthetic.
Sarah, I may not have a correct or fully developed understanding of what 'emo' is, however, I can assure you I did not say the band was emo. I asked how they were emo (pending what was said in the video and the original comment) and I also stated later in my comment that calling the band emo was a bit far. Furthermore, expressing my opinion that the band was not in fact emo. I'm very sorry if you misunderstood that, though I'm not sure I could've made myself more clear on my stances and views pending how my reply was stated. To address your concerns on the self harm part, the band may not have clearly said they self harm(ed), however, if you listen to their musical content and really read and comprehend the lyrics, they make references to have possibly self harmed in the past. in Tyler's one and only solo album (No Phun Intended) he has a song called 'Hole In The Ground'. In this song, Tyler clearly says, "My own two hands will start bleeding again and the floor will turn to a hole in the ground". He says that repeatedly throughout the song, very clearly stating (in my opinion) that he'll slit his wrists again and actually die the next time. He also has another work of art called, 'I Need Something To Kill Me' where he clearly states, "I need something to kill me because I'm tired of doing it myself". In both these works of art, Tyler talks about harming himself, so no. You can't just assume someone has self harmed, this band has hints in their music to make you believe they have leading the self harming theory to be a logical theory or assumption. I would like to state, I did not come up with that assumption out of the blue. As you can see in this reply, I have reasons to believe they have, that are based directly off their artwork. I do not believe Tyler would incorporate those sentences or details into his lyrics if he had never self harmed. Especially because in both those works of art he talks about having self harmed, so while yes, he may not have just stated it, he hints or states it in his art. Again, I apologize for any misunderstanding.
Megan Proffitt i know the band isn't emo. i was saying that self harm isn't emo. classifying it like that is extremely trivializing to people, like myself, who have and do struggle with it. i understand that tyler has addressed self harm extensively, but until he comes out and says that he has partaken in it, it isn't right to assume. you can speculate all you'd like, but it isn't fact. tyler has, however, stated that he's dealt with suicidal ideation and depression which could also apply to the lyrics you provided.
Sarah, I'm sorry you struggle with emo, however, I did not classify it that way, but thanks for your clarification. Now onto self harming yes, Tyler has addressed it extensively, however, again, I personally don't believe Tyler would incorporate it into his lyrics, had he not done it. Self harm isn't something you just say you've done (whether in an interview, post, or in your music) if you haven't done it. Did you read my second example? I'm only asking because in the first example, I can see it maybe coming from his depression or his suicidal thoughts, however, in my second example, Tyler clearly says that he's tired of trying to kill himself. To me, that puts up every red flag. It's way more obvious than, 'Hole In The Ground'. In 'Hold In The Ground' it can be debatable, which I get. That could just be his depression coming out, but in 'I Need Something To Kill Me' I don't think it gets anymore clear than that.
im so fucking sick of people saying they don’t like tøp because of the fanbase literally every mainstream fanbase is toxic in some way or other and it’s been said so many times. if you hate the music or the band because of the fanbase then it seems like you liked them for all the wrong reasons in the first place tbh.
WhyAreYouTakingSoLongSanFranscisco this!!!. I went through a phase when I was really embarrassed that I liked them bc I didn’t want to be seen as just another edgy try hard but it really shouldn’t fucking matter! It should be about the music and not about what other people think of them
Harshal Desai i don’t think you’ve been in other fan bases then because the same shit has happened in every fanbase ive been in so far it just seems like tøp is more like that because of how often people complain about it or how vocal the people like that in the tøp fanbase are. that happens in almost every fanbase that is mainstream
Well, yeah. But, the toxic people in a fandom are usually the ones that get noticed first. While the chill fans don't get as much attention because they're 'chill'.
I have been listening to twenty one pilots for 3 years now and I am not part of the clique and am not OVERPROTECTIVE of them but I do protect them a little from people who completely trash them because there music helped me, and is helping me, through a lot of stress, anxiety, and depression.
EXACTLY!!!!! There is NOTHING wrong with protecting a band! I will admit, at times the fanbase is a bit extreme, but sometimes it is less of protecting the band and more of protecting your pride and being able to say you like a band without unnecessary discrimination
Red Lighting yeah it kinda makes me mad when I tell people I like twenty one pilots and they’re like “lol they’re emo trash you have no taste” like...? It’s happened more often than you’d expect, and it pisses me off, top mean so much to me. Critique is fine, but rarely has anything I’ve gotten been constructive.
Your number 3 reason is basically why I kinda stopped looking at the comments of the videos I uploaded. I love TOP. It's really why I made my channel. My name can make it obvious but I've been meaning to change it to something original because now I cringe at the name myself. But man the intense fans can be something else. That doesn't mean there aren't any genuine fans, but they just seem to stick out more.
I love frank more than I love myself you don't have to identify with the fanbase or even like the fanbase to be a "true fan". That mindset is not a good one to have.
I understand why people say the clique is toxic, but that’s not really true. Some fans may be really crazy and mean, but I wouldn’t call them fans or a part of the clique. The real clique is so much more than what people see at first
Kate Boylan ok all these comments are killing me. A large MAJORITY of the fandom is toxic now and if you get offended by someone saying that then you’re part of the problem
Aw god, the k pop fanbase can be the most annoying thing in the world :D You see, I'm not a big k pop fan, but I listen to some sometimes, mostly 2NE1 and sometimes PSY. But when I read some comments on a 2ne1 video on youtube, people are arguing about which of the girls is the best, and say, that the others are shit. I don't know if it's just me, but I think you should at least respect all the members of your favorite bands :D
I used to be a die hard TOP fan, especially in the months after I went and saw them live. But then the fanbase got very toxic and romanticized mental illness, and made Tyler out to be a "soft boy uwu". I wish them success, and I wish the fanbase maturity.
the songs try to not romantisize mental illnesses. Their songs always tries to give hope to others. Though I am a very hardcore fan but always stayed away from the fan base. It is the fan base that takes the song in a different way. Hence romantisizing mental illness. This is a growing problem in today's world mainly among teens who think being suicidal and depressed is cool or something. And really give a bad name and no proper treatment to the people who actually have it.
I've never seen the clique romantiszie mental illness, all the people ive met through the clique are very much agianst the romaniseation of it but that might just be me
It also should be noted that TOP isnt an emo band at all. The aesthetic etc is associated with the social group, but when it comes to their music, they arent even remotely close to the emo genre.
I have listend to that album countless times. It is tied for my fav album of all time. I never said they were putting on a show, just pointing out that in terms of genre, they are not emo.
Its Not A Bad Dick emo does not mean depression and anxiety. Yes it is short for emotional but any genre can be emotional. Emo is really short for emotive hardcore, which consists of distorted guitar, screaming vocals and sometimes mathy time signatures.
They write songs about emotional stuff. Defiention: a style of rock music resembling punk but having more complex arrangements and lyrics that deal with more *emotional* subjects.
The cringy fanbase is interesting. I saw twenty one pilots in London and the fanbase was totally fine. Most of the people around me looked eighteen or older, and people weren't screaming their heads off the whole time or anything. Having said that, I was in the middle of the crowd so maybe the front was more 'fangirly'. Still, I think the cringy fanbase could be more of an American thing - though I could be wrong.
Jacob Wilkins same in Milan. I wasn’t in the crowd but still people around me were really calm and when the concert started everybody was just singing, no cringy things. And also there were a lot of young people (I was 14 at the time) but all of them were just chill. (sorry if I made some mistakes lol)
Yeah it was quite strange, I was 14 or 15 when I saw them and I was the youngest person there, I was surrounded by these grown men which was very unexpected
As a part of the clique, I agree with most of the points you made. It's a shame the toxic people are the most known. I've talked to some really sweet people in the clique. But I mean, there will always be toxic people, fanbase or not.
Some toxic fans are quite annoying although I’ve never met one I know there’s a lot of them,and there’s also a lot of them too I agree,,I also love ur profile pic 🙂
When those 18 clique fans ask you if you really know the real meaning, ya gotta ask them: "Do you know the real meaning?" Then walk out of the room with a smirk on your face.
I’ve seen them live twice, and adore their music. Their live show is phenomenal. It’s true that the only problematic thing is their fan base. Mostly the obnoxious 12 year olds who take offense to everything and send death threats to anybody who even so much as thinks of opposing Tyler and Josh. Some of the fans are decent. It’s not even a matter of being cringey or obnoxious. It’s a matter of some of them simply not being good people, and that creates a bad face for their fanbase in its entirety.
Big agreement Yeah, their music saved my life, but I wont treat them like gods for it and hand feed them grapes while I fan them with a palm leaf. I respect them like humans. They are better than most, though, haha
@Panic!! at the tøp Perfect is defined as having no flaws. Tyler and Josh have flaws. I have flaws. You have flaws. I'm just done with human beings being treated like Gods when what they are are entertainers. 21 Pilots seem chill. I'm just tired of unnecessary worship.
Dryd3n 21235 So people can't showcase their love for their fav band anymore? This is the kind of thing that gets me triggered... like people can be fans without being cringy! Jeez....
I’ve seen tons of comments about how they suck because preteens and teens are the fan base now, but I’m a preteen and I’ve been a fan for ages and part of the clique and I’ll always love them and I do love them because I fully understand the meaning of “stay alive”, and as I child I have had times where I’ve wanted to give up, and twenty one pilots saved me. I have no way to repay that dept, and I will forever be loyal and love them.
same here. i was going thru a really dark time and i was exposed to Twenty One Pilots. they helped me get out of that spot and continue to help me, and whenever i need someone i can always just go to the clique.
The fanbase kinda callmed down during the hiatus but it's still pretty fricking bad and the "iTs TwEnTY| ∅nE| pIl∅TS nOt 21 PilOTs!!!!!!!" kids are not going anywhere.
Honestly I will forever have a problem with ‘21 pilots’ it pisses me off when people do that but I think most of the time the øs and |s are unnecessary
not a 21p fan but i dont think any fanbase can exist without cringey fans,like literally every single mainstream rock band/other fandom i'm in i've come across fan behaviors that make me want to jump off a cliff
That’s true, with the 1% theory, it states that 1% of fandoms are generally horrible. And with smaller fandoms, that 1% is easier to manage than larger ones since that 1% is smaller with a smaller number, buuut top seems to have way more cringy fans than other larger fanbases. I feel like different large fanbases have different types of cringe, but top is just horrible
I don't think "emo" is a proper term for music genre, just because.. It's all about the lyrics. They are emotional people, they are sensitive as lot of us are, and they write about it. For me the word "emo" brings back the picture of 2006 emo kid with emo bangs, piercing and stuff, and this is not the case here.
*Tyler's voice and style:* People think his voice is whiny and pitching. Also don't like how he switches between singing and rapping. *Their lyrics:* People see the lyrics sometimes as overdramatic and their lyrics seem pretentious. *Cringy fanbase:* There are a lot of overly defensive fans who tend to idolise the band. *Religion:* People don't like how they are so open about their Christian faith and incorporate it into their music. *Overplayed:* Their music is overplayed by fans and the radio which causes overexposure and beats them into the ground. Examples: Ride; Stressed Out; Heathens *Emo aesthetic:* People have a tendency to jump the gun at judging them, because of their dark and red scheme, the ski masks, the make-up ad etc.
At first the clique and overplayed songs made me annoyed by them, tbh. But then I was like "dammit, why do people love them so much, they can't be that good!" Boy, I was wrong. Still not a huge fan but now I get the hype. UPD: Also them being friends with Paramore is +100 to their karma
I don’t mind Twenty One Pilots but it’s the fans that turn me off a bit. They’re so radical and will argue with people if they disagree. I like their music but it isn’t as “ground breaking” as people say it is.
The clique isn’t obsessive! Omg why would you say that the clique is the best fanbase stop hating on Tyler and Joseph and dissing the clique stop hating!!!!!!!
1. Tyler's voice is amazing. He was probably born with autotune in his vocal cords. Lol. 2. Do people know what metaphors are? Did they pay attention in English class? 3. I never really seen many toxic people in the clique. But the whole Joshler thing is kinda weird. 4. Why the hell would you hate them for their religion? They're people, they got religions. Don't hate on them for their beliefs. 5. How is it overrated or overplayed? I barely ever heard their popular songs played on the radio to be honest. There's also only three songs to mention out of five albums. I think it's good that they get attention. 6. So they don't like how Tyler wants his fans to stay alive? He also suffers with depression and he can write his emotion. Also, the stuff they wear make them unique. What other band wears ski masks, eyeshadow, paints their neck and hands black, and has a microphone hanging from the ceiling? What's that? You don't know? Exactly.
I don't really like TOP but what pushed me over the edge with them was that Hot Topic had them listed as a punk band lmao. I complained about it on twitter and fans were like "umm... why do you hate them so much??" and I had to explain that them NOT being punk isn't = to hate. But THEN I realized theres a whole group of people who think that they're into punk bc they like TOP. It's the weirdest thing ever
Twenty one pilots is my favorite band and I am apart of the clique, that being said I cannot stand the ugly part of it. Their music has helped me so much and the other people that I associate with, and I respect them greatly. The things that some of the fanbase does makes me so angry. How anyone thinks it’s okay to crash someone’s wedding to meet your favorite band boggles my mind. Some of these people clearly aren’t getting the message of their “idols” because they spew hatred towards people, going as far as to tell them to commit suicide, when Tyler and Josh stand for the exact opposite. The twenty one pilots community has been a beautiful part of my life for around two years now, but the toxic half must be avoided at all costs.
The only thing to hate about twenty one pilots is the fucking "fanbase". I put that in quotations because it's more like a giant swarm of hyenas screeching as loud as they can.
Blood'N'Bacon - Peter Johannes EXACTLY my situation! Tøp is tied for my favorite band (rivaled by Linkin Park) and the fanbase just makes it so hard to tell people!
Omg same. I agree so much. I'm a top fan (obviously) and the toxic side of the fandom is literal garbage. Thank God I haven't really interacted with one yet, I've just seen them ._.
1. I don't hate his voice, but I can understand this reason. There are singers' voices I can't stand too. 2. I enjoy intelligently written lyrics that have deeper meaning. 3. I agree with this point but I separate fans from the artists themselves. 4. I'm an atheist and I have heard some examples of lyrics that I could tell could be interpreted as being about a higher power but it doesn't bother me because they aren't being overtly preachy imo. 5. I can get that one, but you don't have to listen to the radio. 6. Emo or not, if I like the music, I'll listen. But I can understand why that might turn some people off.
I remember talking to a boy (that I really liked) about music. He asked what my favorite band was, so I said twenty one pilots. Their music genuinely helped me get over one of the loneliest, depressing periods of my life. This boy flat out insulted me for liking them, and it really hurt. I knew that people hate them because of the garbage fanbase they have. He made me feel genuinely ashamed about it. I agree, the fanbase is pretty garbage and sometimes even creepy in my opinion. Since that happened to me, I've basically vowed to myself to never ever mention that I even like twenty one pilots. People are unecessarily mean, and I don't understand. Why couldn't that boy just have respected that I like them and just say he doesn't like them very much, and not been so mean? Moral of the story: Don't be so mean to people, or shame them because they like something that you hate.
When twenty one pilots stopped uploading ( or as they are in hiatus) everyone after a while started to get mad and commenting/sending messages to them like " UPLOAD A NEW MUSIC VIDEO " or " I'm so done with this, if you don't come back I'm leaving". It truly breaks my heart, especially after their tour they need a lot of breaks, they toured for like what ? 2 years ? I don't know how much exactly but it was for a very long time. In general, the fan base is cringe right now
After being a part of the clique for nearly 4 years, I feel like the cringy side of the clique are a loud minority. Yes, there are *alot* of fans who take it way too far, but if you look deep enough, there is a strong, creative and beautiful community there. It's just sad that the community is being ruined by over the top fans
Salma Mokhtar some people are floating over to k-pop and such because we're just sick of the toxic clique too, i mean i really like tøp but since they aren't really (at all) active right now i'm finding new and different music which is fine, and i think it's what other people are doing as well, because hopefully josh and tyler will come back after the hiatus and i still like them.. but the clique is a mess and i don't feel like being involved with that. -also the tøp fans that i've seen in k-pop fandoms seem like mostly the nicer ones- 🤷
Interesting video Jon, it really captures what is going on. I don't get why people would hate on bands/singers without having given them a chance, it maddens me so much. If it's not your thing it's not your thing, but why the hate? The worst thing about Twenty One Pilots haters in particular is that they seem to think that the whole fan base is cringy and they also seem to really enjoy attacking the fans. As someone who cares a lot about the music it really hurts to see so much hatred. I know they are not talking about the kind of fan I am, but because they address the entire fanbase it still feels personal. Edit: what makes me most sad is that the fandom was so supportive and nice and caring up until they became popular and now there's so much toxicity
as a proud member of the clique, I came to this video ready to be upset and offended but I honestly agree with your points because they seemed thought out and rational. thank you for not just blindly spreading hate. 💛:-)
I like them. Nothing really wrong with who they are as people and they make the music they want to make... The fans on the other hand make people turn away. It's just the fans trying to over hype them as some kind of gods.
Personally I've always separated the clique and the fandom. The fandom is the insane teenagers who obsess over the two of them (fandoms tend to focus themselves more on the people and turn them into idols). The clique, based on what I know from before the blurryface era and my own opinion, is the group of people who are passionate about and dedicated to the message that the band stands for and who have a deeper appreciation of the music. Of course there can be crossover, I definitely consider myself part of the clique but I admit that I can have some fanboy-ish tendencies, but on the whole I consider them separate groups.
TOP, new wave FOB fans, and waterparks are the most toxic fanbases atm. absolutely turns me off from the bands even though their music doesn't have much to do with that. it's like you're not allowed to have any opinion on them that doesn't include worshipping the ground they stand on. very off-putting.
The only reason fans are crazy about them is because we relate with them. They help us through so much, and I dont mean to have hate it's just saying that hey we love them because they love us and they have the issues that the Cliqukies have! [♡Stay Alive♡]
I love Twenty one pilots but the clique is a very toxic fan base, like you said, attacking people and spamming hate. That's the reason why i don't talk about twenty one pilots online cause any differing opinion of the popular one will cause an uproar.
Angel Luis Peralta Castelan I love top so much I been a fan since stressed out came on my radio now I'm in love with them in my heart their songs are good and amazing
twentyonepilotsloverjoseph Tidmore same the first time i heard stressed out i fell in love with their band and now to this day i know almost all their song. All the lyrics its de best
when he started talking about hardcore fans I thought I would relate to it all, but everything he said shocked me. I’m so sorry about those who threatened you; they obviously take things like this way too seriously.
Actual death threats? Omg I’m so sorry on behalf of the clique that’s the exact opposite of what their music says and I’m disappointed that some of their fans don’t get it
I think their songs are actually amazing and they’re amazing and I love them so so much....Also not all the fans are bad....a lot are super nice and help each other
I have a BIG problem with the church and Christianity and religion in general as there’s a lot of awful things going on with that but twenty one pilots have never really made me mad with their religious belief. I think it’s very interesting how they present religion as a positive thing when to me it has always been quite hurtful and about hate and excluding others, just in how the religious people I see and have around live with religion. So I like the counterpoint being set by twenty one pilots even though I can’t agree with the sentiment of religion.
Cara Ellen it's just you can find good and bad people in region, there's still heart and morals to relegion but as any other system it gets corrupted with time.. so yeah you have a point
I think the emo aesthetic is the reason I stayed away from MCR and TØP for so long, but now I love both because I took the time to just listen and appreciate the quality of their music rather than focus on their image
I don't think Tyler and Josh thought of the concept though haha! Because if you're in a business, you'll need something to conceptualize what you're selling to make them remembered. Blame their marketing or label, i think.
I used to not like Twenty One Pilots at all because I didn't initially get into their music and, as an Owl City fan, I self-dubbed them the hip hop equivalent (or maybe even a ripoff) of Owl City (given their lyrical style and occasional Christian message) that was way more popular than Owl City. But then, when Stressed Out, Ride, and Heathens blew up, I decided to check out more of their music. The timing was perfect because I was in a dark place at the time and it really helped me! I now am a Twenty One Pilots fan, but I do keep my distance from some of the fans as per your reason #3. I no longer think of them as an Owl City ripoff but as a genuine band I love!! Just my take and brief story about me and TOP!
I think every fanbase have these radical fans that makes people want to hate the artist/band but those people will realize later that they have gone too far. But I'm glad that there are also pretty amazing people even in clique.
what makes me sad is that I am a younger teen, and older fans constantly say that I am a fake fan because I am younger. I have listened to all of TOP's albums, I have all of them on my phone, etc. I genially love their music. They have helped me through some difficult times in my life. If you are one of those older fans putting younger fans down just for being younger, I would advise against it.
Before commenting or disliking remember this, Just because Jon Is talking about why people dislike Twenty One Pilots don't assume that Jon dislikes them too. Remember he gave Vessel a 5/5 rating
Imagine Dragons, Green Day and Foo Fighters will be interesting The rest don't see to have many reasons or aren't enough popular to make it (also, Jon already make one with FOB)
Imagine Dragons- because their lyric are crap and they pretend to be a rock band when they are straight pop. Green Day- Because they're moron Trump or Bush supporters. (already did one sort of) Fall Out Boy- Because they haven't made a good album since 2008 and are trying to conform to pop culture. (already did one btw) My Chemical Romance- Because they hate anything labeled emotional even though mcr is hard rock, glam rock, punk rock, and pop punk. Walk the Moon- Because they are labeled Rock even though they are obviously a fan girl pop band and overrated. Foo Fighters- I don't know. Cause its not Nirvana i guess. Bastille- overplayed and to poppy. Lack of instrumentation I know you said 5 but I don't have time.
Evan Light I’m not a Green Day Fan at all, but are you really going to call them Trump supporters when they made a song called “no trump, no kkk, no fascist USA” and performed it in a public event? I’m pretty sure they’re anti-trump supporters lol
As a HUGE foo fighters fan, i havent heard or seen anyone who actually hates foo fighters. the closest ive seen to that is just that they arent hardcore fans.
The thing is, you don’t need to necessarily be a part of the fan base or have anything to do with the fans base to consider yourself a “fan” of Twenty Øne Piløts. I can definitely understand why people get turned off by a majority of the fans in the Clique. It’s of course not all of the fans but like I said, a majority of them are fairly toxic. But it’s kinda hard to change someone’s opinion of things so as much as people explain I don’t think there’s going to be changing many minds. Although I gotta say, this is a pretty great video!
Yesss, their fanbase is :/ I saw an interview with Josh Dun and the people who edited the video wrote "Josh Dun from 21 pilots" and every comment was about how awful and disrespectful to the band was that they wrote 21 pilots instead of Twenty One Pilots or TØP... like... chill...
Linkin Park, I never understood the hate for them. I remember when liking Linkin Park was a joke at one point. Even when I was younger people would bad mouth them as if they were too angsty and emo or some dumb shit like that. It always angered me whenever people talked down on them when I was a huge fan. I mean I still am. So it'd be cool if you make a list for them
DohanJoe07 it's because some people treat music like a fad. It's kinda sad, because music doesn't age. A good song will always be good, unlike movies that rely on visuals to sell or be enjoyable but fade away when better ones come out.
Gerge Jack I disagree. They haven't been angsty since their second album Meteora ( 2003). It became more political. And since then played a lot with song structures and songwriting became more complex. Most notably their 2010 album ( A thousand Suns) which was compared to stuff from Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd. And then while you thought their constant genre change failed with each album, they all still debuted at number 1 on the charts with the exception of their 2014 album. That still was succesful debuting at number 3. But ofcourse, it's all a matter of perception.
1. What's wrong with nu metal? Nothing. 2. What do you mean by "weak/spotty lyrical content"? Like the topic of suicide and depression and needing help? I'm confused. 3. "Bad guitar work" my ass; Brad Delson is a great guitarist. Even if he wasn't, that's not a reason to hate them. You can never judge a band by specific instruments. 4. "Sound change"? You mean trying different things with their music over time like every real artist does? Nah fam. People need to listen to at least a few of a band's songs before shitting on them. Also, Twenty One Pilots is extremely overrated (honestly mediocre at best) and the fanbase is absolute trash; the Clique is literally a fucking cult.
some reasons ive seen are -they glorify mental illness/profit off of it: im not a diehard top fan (I used to be) but this just makes me mad tbh. let artists write about their struggles without being told their glamorizing it. it may not be good for you, but its a healthy outlet for them or others. -their quietness on political issues, mostly tyler: who cares. they're musicians, not politicians. they dont have to say anything if they dont want to. there's a lot of other bs reasons online too lmao
same. im liberal myself but like,, even if they were conservative/right wing (which i honestly doubt) then whatever im only here for music as long as they arent horribly bigoted
kobra kid '' Glorify mental problems '', sorry but that is not true. What you are trying to see with your lyrics is that you have to eliminate that taboo that exists in the face of mental illness. With the idea of 'we all have problems but we can not give up so easy'. Most people get scared when talking about this. It is not easy for the traditional music that is heard on the radio to play this type of themes in the songs. Although nowadays it is changing only a little bit. And with respect to political ideas , the truth does not interest me too much what they think about this, what I am interested in is that they think the politicians who govern us. If I want to listen to music I listen, what I feel and I want to listen. I am not asking you what color you If you want to talk about that, that's fine. And if not, too. Sometimes it seems like you have to be famous talking about what I do in the bathroom? Haha. And I do not want to hear any artist talking about their songs About politics and I like it I will listen to it. Too much drama they already have in their lyrics so that they also need this kind of drama. I understood it that way. I understood it and it seemed good to me. And even if their songs did not have that "drama" '', the R Sometimes, there are things that some prefer to comment privately than in public. And everyone will have their reasons. Greetings and sorry for my bad inglish.
i agree i dont think they glorify them at all. and i think ppl r mad they dont talk abt politics online or in interviews rather than in their music but i still agree w u
I completely agree to most points made. I consider myself a pretty large fan, tonight from NPI being my favourite song. I do understand how they can be considered Emo considering how amazing of a lyricist Tyler is. The overplayed point pretty much sums up why I barely listen to stressed out, ride or heathens. None of my friends are fans of their specific style which I can understand. But personally Tøp has help me through a heap of shit. That's why Tyler is and I hope always be my favourite artist. Josh is cool too. But Tyler is the lead singer (if you get the reference) 😉
Honestly, I think our fanbase is so encouraging and so nice to everyone. We tell our life stories and people listen because they can relate to them. Now, this is not everyone. But, many people that I've seen have problems they don't think make them special but then Twenty One Pilots come along and helps them, It's not immediately resolved so they help others in the process, and sometime it may be resolved for them too. There's always going to those annoying mean people in a fanbase that is going to drive people out and I hope if your seeing this right now and this did happen to you that you will rethink it because once you get in and see how kind everyone is, its just sooo amazing. This is just my personal experience and opinion.... Some people come for help Some people come for the jams And some have another reason but we are all Twenty One Pilots fan And there's no difference between them :)
To everyone saying it panders to thirteen year old girls, how? How is their music tailored to girls? I understand that many teens can confide in that type of lyrical content, but I would LOVE to hear one valid point that shows they make music for girls.
Nicole Rogers it makes no sense to me that they're catering to "girls" they don't specifically cater to a certain gender in no way whatsoever...whoever came up with that ideology is tripping
Nicole Rogers I would say that their music is much more for teenagers but not any specific gender. I don’t hear many people make that argument. Maybe it’s just because most of their fans are girls. At least the open ones.
Nicole Rogers That's just a semi sexist put down for things that people consider bad. Nobody ever said that The Beatles were for teenage girls and some people say that teenage girls weren't their biggest audience( yet video evidence suggests otherwise ).
Jonah Nutellord Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. I don’t think that’s a major argument but while I was scrolling through these comments I saw multiple comments stating such. We may just be exposed to different people, but I’ve found that when I meet people in real life who dislike them, they occasionally bring up that point. I did write that comment in the spur of the moment, but I still think my message still applies to anyone who uses that argument, regardless of the amount of people who do. : )
7. Their elitism towards the music industry. They're constantly taking shots at the music industry, bigger artists, radio, etc. in their songs and on social media. It comes off as whiny and that they believe they're better than the rest of the artists/industry because their music is "genuine" and they have more "organic" roots than the people sitting right next to them at these awards shows. And this is coming from someone who's been a fan since Regional At Best
21 Pilots, Imagine Dragons, Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco and others with this techno electro pop dance shit are killing what is labeled as alt rock or alternative music in general. Today's alt rock is far from being alternative because this is mainstream pop. I can understand why young adults are getting sick of this so called alternative rock pop stuff and these bands like Greta Van Fleet are gaining in popularity now because old school classic rock is now the new real alternative rock with today's younger adults and thank God for that. It is awesome to read comments from young adults in that they are sick of this programmed electronic pop dance stuff and want to listen to actual instruments again. Other old genres are making a comeback with some young adults as well like, acoustic and electronic blues, metal and all the subgenres in metal, old school country & western music, folk music, bluegrass, jazz and classical. Old school music is now the real alternative music today and thank God more young adults are starting to go back to listening to bands that play real instruments. These programming techno pop dance mixes by modern pop sounding bands of today sound like it is more DJ programming than actual live music.
I'm 12 and to be completely honest, I love Twenty Øne Pilots. I know it sounds cliché when I say that they help me with suicidal thoughts and depression but to be completely honest I relate to what they're saying and they help me with bad stuff going on in the world by addressing it. They really help but I hate some of the fan base. I've met some really lovely fans and haven't really had the misfortune of meeting assholes but I know how bad it can be.
Lyrical content that make you think is the best. For instance, I feel like i get a history lesson everytime i listen to rage against the machine. Sometimes mindless music is cool, but I'd rather be mentally stimulated.
Almost everything that Tyler has written, even his old demo tracks, have had major emo influences. So no, I have no idea why people would think they’re playing that up.That’s been the band from the start.
The thing that bugs me about TOP I personally don't like their sound but people assume I do because I like MCR, which has a completely different then TOP.
tyler: *breathes*
the clique: “he was inhaling positivity and exhaling all of the negative thoughts that fill his troubled mind. he is so strong, we should all strive to be like him.”
cømedy and tragedy he is my Gød
comedy and tragedy I mean yeah... he's gr8 😂😂
That’s not just tøp tho. If social media was around in the 90s or earlier they would have done the same for Kurt Cobain or Thom Yorke or even Ian Curtis. Fans make the music personal so they want to make the PEOPLE who make the music personal as well by over-analysing, looking for any tiny detail that shows more of the people they idolise. What they fail to realise is that no one is gonna open up completely in front of an audience (only exception is Dan Harmon but he is.... special 😂)
Yeraliz Rodriguez støp dissing tøp
Yeraliz Rodriguez well then why wøuld yøu øffend twenty øne piløts?
I always feel like HATING a band for being overplayed is a very stupid reason. Of course, you can grow tired of listening to something. Twenty One Pilots is my favorite band, and I even feel like I've grown tired of their music before because I have listened to them so much. I just don't understand why anyone would shit on a band because their songs are being played every half hour on the radio or something. If you don't want to listen to it, then switch to another channel or turn the radio off for a couple of minutes...
DanneBOI yeah I agree it could be an American thing. I'm from Germany and I didn't see cringey teens at concerts either so idk
DanneBOI I agree to a certain extent. Some songs from bands that I like fall victim to being overplayed and it ruins the song eventually. But when you are basically forced to listen to the same pop BS all day because your work plays it, I hate the crap out of it to the point where i want the "artist" (if thats what you call them) to never make music ever again
Krondo 17 Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
I agree, but when I went to see them during Tour De Columbus, everyone was calm there where 0 problems, so I feel like it's certain people maybe the ones that push to the front, but idk.
DanneBOI Agreed I used to listen to TØP 14 hours a day and got a little tired of it for a while but I always respected them and am getting back into them lol
The toxic fans really suck, just cause Twenty One Pilots are very talented. They unknowingly are half the reason people dislike them 😩
IKR, it's just terrible smh
My friends all through high school were just all about them, it's all I'd hear about. I like their music, it's just a shame that whenever I hear their name I just groan
*ridiculously feeling great for the first time that no one else in my school listens to TØP
Mhm. Coming from a fan, this is more than true. I've had my fair share of toxic fans calling me fake, and I'm just over it.
Because*
It’s sad when fans push other people who want to listen away from the band.
This
Nakita Curr right
It is sad :( I'm always pushing my friends like 'try listening to them they helped me'
But people who push them away is like... Why?
Myst CreeperAssassin when do they do that?
Aiden what?
Reason #1: I love Ty's voice, I think it's unique af, but people have opinions so-
Reason #2: It's called metaphors, and metaphors are called art. Since I love metaphors and hidden meanings, Tyler's lyrics really speak to me.
Reason #3: Sometimes I really don't like being in the clique. I used to be a huge obsessed fan, but I never accused people of being 'fake fans' or said that Tyler and Josh were 'Gods', and I never hated on someone for saying '21 pilots'. Also fanart: WHY PEOPLE? REALLY? Also people take Joshler *way* too far. Like, okay, you can ship it, but there's a line. But sometimes the clique is a good place to be, too. If I ever need support I know I can go to the clique and they will be there for me.
Reason #4: I'm not 'christian', but I believe in God. I don't like to put myself into a box, but yeah, I go to church and I pray. But even though they mention God in some of their songs, it's not deliberate. Like he said, it's open for interpretation.
Reason #5: Yes, their popular songs are overplayed. But so are every other artists' popular music. As for overrated, they worked hard for their popularity, so if you think they're overrated, take a moment to realize that every other artist probably has it worse.
Reason #6: Their aesthetic has it's deeper meaning. Personally, I don't look at them as emo at all. They have different aesthetic for every album, and you have to admit, Trench's aesthetic is not emo at all.
@@fedoralostatsea4734 yeah i agree lmao. I draw fanart too, but I was just referring to the sexual shit that people draw.
and ye, same with fanfiction. no judgement though.
Wait, how are you not Christian if you believe in God, go to church, and pray?
@@chadls921 christianity isn't the only religion with "God"
I will say, I find it rather annoying when fans say that their lyrics aren't for everyone and you have to really pay attention to understand, because I disagree, their music and the story behind it is NOT difficult to catch onto. I'd say anyone over the age of 12 can understand the meaning behind their songs. They're not that special.
@@KB-yf3wt I think those clique members simply can't fathom that someone else knows more than them. really makes me ashamed to be a part of the clique sometimes.
Twenty One Pilots writes some of the best lyrics I've seen. I seriously respect them and am proud they're my favorite band. The fanbase is usually very respectful and helpful and all around great. IT'S THE CANCEROUS ones, the cringey ones, that people see more often and that kinda sucks. The terrible fans are just a really loud minority.
Preach! It’s my second favourite band and yes, it’s just a REALLY loud minority!
Yes
OK I DONT CARE THAT THIS IS A YEAR LATE BUT I LOVE YOUR PROFILE PIC AND YOUR COMMENT
@نائلة محمود sorry for being late but the only fake fans are those who pretend to listen to the band for popularity, not because they actually like the music. And actually the toxic ones I would call fake fans too. Real fans don't act like that. Anyway, that's just my opinion. Have a great day 😊
Tbh i dont even think of these types of people as fans cus the whole point of TØP music is to give people hope
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Analisse Gønzalez støp disrespecting the clique! Gød søme peøple!
Analisse Gønzalez tRiGgErEd
Waterparks’ fanbase isn’t any better
You forgot THE FANBASE
Clique👏isn't👏bad👏
this band is really good, I personally love it. It's the fucking fandom man, they're cancer
Completely agree
yea
Dude, not to start an argument or anything but I don't think you should call a fanbase cancer. It's not that bad if you manage to get on the right side. There are really loving and supportive people in the clique and I've met so many great people and everyone at the concerts I went to were so calm and helped one another. I think it's the internet fans that cause the most problems. We may come off as toxic and disgusting but a lot of us are actually amazing and taleneted people.
Joshy Woshy Woo this is where the problem lies. Of course not every fan is like that but the obnoxious ones give people a bad taste. It's in our nature to generalize and the best way to solve this is for everyone to get together and change those bad impressions
Ethan Cardaño well that ain’t gonna happen in a fanbase
1. The fanbase.
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6. The God.Damn.Fanbase.
Ikr
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Ur name is just awsome
*i believe this is a kpop fan EWW NO
@Panic!! at the tøp they are as defensive as kpop fans. i'm fan of both top and some kpop groups and i can assure you that they are the same. obviously some kpop fandoms are wayyyy more toxic than clique, but majority of them are like this fandom. there is a difference between being defensive and litteraly crying for nothing tyuvij i saw so many times clique litteraly bullying people on internet for opinions like ????
Now it's better
i hate when people stereotype them as emo just because of their image when a lot of their songs are really upbeat and they really emo like u can enjoy them without having to be emo
Yes they’re music is upbeat but do you listen to the lyrics? Also it’s you not u
I just couldn’t stop listening to them I hate it when they hate 21 pilots like they say oh there so old and stuff like that
Twenty One Pilots are legit talent , that actually have
1) Vocalist with no fcking *autotune*
2) Plays instruments *live*
3) Not created by a garbage giant music conglomerate, cause daddy & mommy were signed talent years ago.
The biggest garbage is *autotune* rap music , if you can call it music.
well Tyler did use autotune in RAB
@@aarons0z992 i thought it was vocal effects lmaoo
@@aarons0z992 i know this was 3 months ago but I think that he mentioned it was him experimenting with editing, and that's pretty likely seeing what his voice can do haha
Tyler has autotune as every singer has but he doesn't need it. His voice is really awesome but you know they have some special sound effect
@@aarons0z992 We don't talk about that non-existing(album)
The clique is the reason why I don’t tell people I like top because I’m afraid of being associated with the fanbase
And the religious part: as an atheist it really doesn’t bother me at all
les oh my god stop hating on the fanbase I hate people who do so!!! Ahhhh!! The clique is the best
True. In fact, as an atheist myself, on songs such as Trees, I relate with the struggle to keep faith and believe in a god and stuff
Payned Face same here
les that's how I was untill I realized that it didn't matter. There are good sides of the clique that I'm in right now and I'm not going to be afraid to say they're my favorite band just because some people are gonna assume things about me
My best friend's mom is an atheist and she lets her kid listen to twenty one pilots and she's pretty careful about that stuff. I don't see why religion bothers people so much. I'm a christian but I'm friends with a few really nice muslims. I don't really agree with it, but there is no need to get triggered over it like some people do
I'm an atheists and a big fan (not a toxic fan) of twenty one pilots and I don't really care about the fact that they mention god at all I believe we all have a right to be and believe what we want
Everyone be more like sky tippler
Ikr
Same
There's many positive fans in the clique, but i don't know why the toxic fans has more like "popularity" you know? I don't think that the whole clique is toxic. But yeah, there's a bunch of fans who try to protect them, that's annoying. And the fact that they not respect their relationships.. stop with the nasty joshler fanfiction please. (I ship joshler but not in that way).
I never agreed more to a comment
I kinda agree with you in the Joshler topic, I like the concept but I don't like it when people take it too far. Like when people write fan fic.
yess, like i used to but when tyler got married i was like,"yall this is wrong i aint doing this no more cause jenna is beautiful and deserves our love too" and that 'joshler' phase just makes me gag now, theyre platonic and everyone knows that.
bros is what they are
I agree, I’m a part of the clique, but I’m not the one that likes to shoot at other people for getting a small thing wrong or whatever. I like to send positive messages in the comment and just enjoy there music ||-// stay alive friends 😊
you're exactly in the bad part of the fanbase though
im an atheist and Im fine with all the talk about god
You only notice it if you look for it. And it’s not even obvious like he’s not just straight up talking about god.
same, its my favourite band
Lol I'm atheist so I dont even notice bible references
samee
same dude
I found TØP around late 2013, and have seen them live three times. And honestly, the clique seemed pretty nice back when I found them, I guess the positive "stay alive" part of the clique were the majority at the time. However through the years and with their increase in popularity I have seen the toxic part come into the majority, being extremely hateful and telling others to kill themselves (which is the exact opposite of the entire band and their message). I hated seeing all of this stuff, I used to really embrace being part of the skeleton clique, but now I mostly separate myself from that, just simply saying I'm a fan of the band. The part of religion personally doesn't bother me, they believe in what they believe in and I'm not going to shame them for it. I can still enjoy songs like Be Concerned (a song about Tyler questioning his faith) and A Car, A Torch, A Death (which straight up talks about God) because I believe they are good songs, they sound good and I know that Tyler pours his heart out into each song and I'm not going to hate for someone expressing themselves, that's what music is about, expression. That also leads into the whole "fake emo" thing, they're both obviously alternative and listen to stuff that is considered emo (like MCR, they even did a cover for Rocksound of the song Cancer). They are expressing themselves through their image and presence, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's hate on the whole black hands and neck thing Tyler does, and that ties into the whole "fake look" thing, but that's just another form of expression and symbolism. Blurryface is the name given to Tyler's anxiety, fears, bad stuff in general and if I remember correctly, he believes that the hands and neck are the most vulnerable places and the black represents Blurryface and how it affects him. There are many valid points to dislike them, such as it being not your style or disliking his voice, but a lot of them are a bit ridiculous in my opinion.
This comment went much longer than expected whoops but there's a bit of rant
PREACH!!
I started being a good fan of them in November 2017. I never really cared about the fanbases of my favorite bands because everyone has their own opinion on them as long as they don't deminuitize others for having a different one. I have heard most of their songs already and although Vessel is my least favorite album, it's still good in some aspects and I'll willingly listen to it.
plushy518 this is great I agree with u 100%
plushy518 I agree with all of that.
plushy518 THANK YOU YOU SAVED ME FROM WRITING TOO MUCH ON MY COMMENT.
Right around the tine tøp broke into the mainstream, their fan base went from "teens and young adults who care for the band and each other" to "a cult of teens and preteens that worship the band and despise anyone who isn't part of their in-group." It's honestly really sad
No one can make a band more insufferable than...their own damn fans. (See: Dave Matthews Band, Sublime, literally any metal band on earth)
EXACTLY. And the crazy fans are infectious, anything twenty one pilots is involved in, they're there to go twenty one pilots crazy about it. It's ok to like a band without shouting to the world that you love them. And to make matters worse, I've seen comments about teens or young kids, I'm assuming here that they're young, wishing that they had depression, anxiety, etc. in order to relate to the songs better. To the people that do this, YOU'VE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT TOP IS TRYING TO GET ACROSS. Mental illness is not something to wish for. It's always there, and it hurts. All the time. In addition, I personally feel that this is very inconsiderate and insensitive to those that do have these issues. Mental illnesses aren't some character trait that makes you unique. They are real illnesses, and have brought so much pain to so many individuals in society.
people have sent me (poorly worded) death threats because I said that the forest fic was sad but the way people blow it out of proportion and have run the joke into the ground. it's insane.
Tbh, i'm 13 and I liked the band since 2015 (I was introduced through Stressed Out, but my current favorite song is Air Catcher) and I really don't care if people like or dislike a certain band/artist, like if somebody says they like Lil Pump good for them, and if someone says they like Twenty one Pilots, I would ask, "Cool! I like Twenty one Pilots too! What's your favorite song? **me: says favorite song** **They say favorite song**" And whatever that song is, I won't hate on them.
James Mercer that's good, man. I didn't mean to imply that every tøp fan is toxic, just to point out that those that are often drown out those who are doing it right. Keep doing you!
*THE. FAN. BASE.*
Not all of them, of course. I was actually thinking about this video idea. You read my mind lol.
3:23
well, don’t trust a perfect person and don’t trust a song that’s flawless
Honest
Shrek's Wife there's a few songs on this record that feel common
im in constant confrontation with what i want and what is poppin
robin sparkles in the industry it seems to me that singles on the radio are currency
Friend please don't take your life Away from me my creativity’s only free when im playing shoows
#2 confusing lyrics
me: THESE LYRICS AREN’T FOR EVERYONE ONLY FEW UNDERSTAND
HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY
let them listen to some thy art is murder.
LYRICS THAT MEAN NOTHING, WE WERE GIFTED WITH THOUGHT
DestopLine IS IT TIME TO MOVE OUR FEET TO AN INTROSPECTIVE BEAT
@@cleo_con IT AINT THE LYRICS THAT BUNP HARD ITS OUR HEARTS THAT MAKE THE BEAT :(
I’m an atheist, but it will never matter if there is a religious song or lyric by tøp I love to see other people’s views on things
Save yourself 10 minutes.
#1 Tyler's Vocals
#2 lyrics you have to pay attention to in order to understand. (sorry, this one pisses me off.)
#3 the fan base (understandable).
#4 religious associations.
#5 overplayed and overrated (not overrated, overexposed) (not wrong)
#6 "emo" aesthetic.
the perfect screwup
How are Tyler and Josh emo? 🤔 Sure, they've self harmed, but emo? That's a little far.
Megan Proffitt they've never stated that they've self harmed, and you can't assume that. also self harm isn't "emo".
Sarah,
I may not have a correct or fully developed understanding of what 'emo' is, however, I can assure you I did not say the band was emo. I asked how they were emo (pending what was said in the video and the original comment) and I also stated later in my comment that calling the band emo was a bit far. Furthermore, expressing my opinion that the band was not in fact emo. I'm very sorry if you misunderstood that, though I'm not sure I could've made myself more clear on my stances and views pending how my reply was stated.
To address your concerns on the self harm part, the band may not have clearly said they self harm(ed), however, if you listen to their musical content and really read and comprehend the lyrics, they make references to have possibly self harmed in the past. in Tyler's one and only solo album (No Phun Intended) he has a song called 'Hole In The Ground'. In this song, Tyler clearly says, "My own two hands will start bleeding again and the floor will turn to a hole in the ground". He says that repeatedly throughout the song, very clearly stating (in my opinion) that he'll slit his wrists again and actually die the next time. He also has another work of art called, 'I Need Something To Kill Me' where he clearly states, "I need something to kill me because I'm tired of doing it myself". In both these works of art, Tyler talks about harming himself, so no. You can't just assume someone has self harmed, this band has hints in their music to make you believe they have leading the self harming theory to be a logical theory or assumption. I would like to state, I did not come up with that assumption out of the blue. As you can see in this reply, I have reasons to believe they have, that are based directly off their artwork. I do not believe Tyler would incorporate those sentences or details into his lyrics if he had never self harmed. Especially because in both those works of art he talks about having self harmed, so while yes, he may not have just stated it, he hints or states it in his art. Again, I apologize for any misunderstanding.
Megan Proffitt i know the band isn't emo. i was saying that self harm isn't emo. classifying it like that is extremely trivializing to people, like myself, who have and do struggle with it.
i understand that tyler has addressed self harm extensively, but until he comes out and says that he has partaken in it, it isn't right to assume. you can speculate all you'd like, but it isn't fact. tyler has, however, stated that he's dealt with suicidal ideation and depression which could also apply to the lyrics you provided.
Sarah,
I'm sorry you struggle with emo, however, I did not classify it that way, but thanks for your clarification. Now onto self harming yes, Tyler has addressed it extensively, however, again, I personally don't believe Tyler would incorporate it into his lyrics, had he not done it. Self harm isn't something you just say you've done (whether in an interview, post, or in your music) if you haven't done it. Did you read my second example? I'm only asking because in the first example, I can see it maybe coming from his depression or his suicidal thoughts, however, in my second example, Tyler clearly says that he's tired of trying to kill himself. To me, that puts up every red flag. It's way more obvious than, 'Hole In The Ground'. In 'Hold In The Ground' it can be debatable, which I get. That could just be his depression coming out, but in 'I Need Something To Kill Me' I don't think it gets anymore clear than that.
im so fucking sick of people saying they don’t like tøp because of the fanbase literally every mainstream fanbase is toxic in some way or other and it’s been said so many times. if you hate the music or the band because of the fanbase then it seems like you liked them for all the wrong reasons in the first place tbh.
WhyAreYouTakingSoLongSanFranscisco this!!!. I went through a phase when I was really embarrassed that I liked them bc I didn’t want to be seen as just another edgy try hard but it really shouldn’t fucking matter! It should be about the music and not about what other people think of them
WhyAreYouTakingSoLongSanFranscisco ikr t happened the same with the beatles and it’s still a great band
Harshal Desai i don’t think you’ve been in other fan bases then because the same shit has happened in every fanbase ive been in so far it just seems like tøp is more like that because of how often people complain about it or how vocal the people like that in the tøp fanbase are. that happens in almost every fanbase that is mainstream
Well, yeah. But, the toxic people in a fandom are usually the ones that get noticed first. While the chill fans don't get as much attention because they're 'chill'.
Sofia Molano yeah i know. and then people generalize the behavior to the entire fanbase which isn’t accurate.
Idk why ppl hate tyler's vocals but i love it. No one is perfect, u gotta love imperfections
Don't trust in a perfect person
His voice is amazing to me
He's perfect imperfect
Except he is perfect
His voice is amazing to me. I enjoy when I listen their songs
I have been listening to twenty one pilots for 3 years now and I am not part of the clique and am not OVERPROTECTIVE of them but I do protect them a little from people who completely trash them because there music helped me, and is helping me, through a lot of stress, anxiety, and depression.
😮
EXACTLY!!!!! There is NOTHING wrong with protecting a band! I will admit, at times the fanbase is a bit extreme, but sometimes it is less of protecting the band and more of protecting your pride and being able to say you like a band without unnecessary discrimination
Red Lighting yeah it kinda makes me mad when I tell people I like twenty one pilots and they’re like “lol they’re emo trash you have no taste” like...? It’s happened more often than you’d expect, and it pisses me off, top mean so much to me. Critique is fine, but rarely has anything I’ve gotten been constructive.
Your number 3 reason is basically why I kinda stopped looking at the comments of the videos I uploaded. I love TOP. It's really why I made my channel. My name can make it obvious but I've been meaning to change it to something original because now I cringe at the name myself. But man the intense fans can be something else. That doesn't mean there aren't any genuine fans, but they just seem to stick out more.
Kitchen Sink omygod how can you diss the clique like that ahhhhhh!
I love your channel and completely agree. Keep going fren I appreciate it.
You’re not a true fan then...
I love frank more than I love myself You can be a true fan and not wanna be apart of the clique/change their channel name lolol
I love frank more than I love myself you don't have to identify with the fanbase or even like the fanbase to be a "true fan". That mindset is not a good one to have.
I understand why people say the clique is toxic, but that’s not really true. Some fans may be really crazy and mean, but I wouldn’t call them fans or a part of the clique. The real clique is so much more than what people see at first
okay but the clique used to be a lot better, now a majority of it is horrible
Some people in the clique are assholes, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the clique is too
Ya, I'm confused by the people who make mean comments. Everybody just assumes the entire fandom is like that though..
Kate Boylan ok all these comments are killing me. A large MAJORITY of the fandom is toxic now and if you get offended by someone saying that then you’re part of the problem
The fanbase is bad, but not as bad as the K pop fanbase..
Aw god, the k pop fanbase can be the most annoying thing in the world :D You see, I'm not a big k pop fan, but I listen to some sometimes, mostly 2NE1 and sometimes PSY. But when I read some comments on a 2ne1 video on youtube, people are arguing about which of the girls is the best, and say, that the others are shit. I don't know if it's just me, but I think you should at least respect all the members of your favorite bands :D
The kpop fan base is so annoying ugh
Well not everyone, just the annoying ones. There's a lot of people who just like kpop but they'll say "but the fanbase"
thats probably why everyone went from the tøp fandom to kpop lmao
No they’re just as worse. Many people have faked suicide for attention from the band.
I used to be a die hard TOP fan, especially in the months after I went and saw them live. But then the fanbase got very toxic and romanticized mental illness, and made Tyler out to be a "soft boy uwu". I wish them success, and I wish the fanbase maturity.
you're right he's not he's a piece of shof
the songs try to not romantisize mental illnesses. Their songs always tries to give hope to others. Though I am a very hardcore fan but always stayed away from the fan base. It is the fan base that takes the song in a different way. Hence romantisizing mental illness. This is a growing problem in today's world mainly among teens who think being suicidal and depressed is cool or something. And really give a bad name and no proper treatment to the people who actually have it.
I've never seen the clique romantiszie mental illness, all the people ive met through the clique are very much agianst the romaniseation of it but that might just be me
I agree
I am also a Christian and one of the reasons I like them is because they're Christian
Ooof. Really?
@@plsenteranamepls1062 nothing wrong with that but I get what U mean as if he doesn't care about there music and only their beliefs
that hurts so bad
@@theowlhouseseason3213 Bruh, why?
Same! I feel like it’s pretty cool that a well-known band is Christian and ain’t afraid to show it😎
It also should be noted that TOP isnt an emo band at all. The aesthetic etc is associated with the social group, but when it comes to their music, they arent even remotely close to the emo genre.
HalfSourDyl Emo as in emotional, yeah, they are emo. But they don’t drop scene on top so it’s not too ridiculous.
I have listend to that album countless times. It is tied for my fav album of all time. I never said they were putting on a show, just pointing out that in terms of genre, they are not emo.
Maybe emo (emotional) rap
Its Not A Bad Dick emo does not mean depression and anxiety. Yes it is short for emotional but any genre can be emotional. Emo is really short for emotive hardcore, which consists of distorted guitar, screaming vocals and sometimes mathy time signatures.
They write songs about emotional stuff. Defiention: a style of rock music resembling punk but having more complex arrangements and lyrics that deal with more *emotional* subjects.
The cringy fanbase is interesting. I saw twenty one pilots in London and the fanbase was totally fine. Most of the people around me looked eighteen or older, and people weren't screaming their heads off the whole time or anything. Having said that, I was in the middle of the crowd so maybe the front was more 'fangirly'. Still, I think the cringy fanbase could be more of an American thing - though I could be wrong.
Jacob Wilkins same in Milan. I wasn’t in the crowd but still people around me were really calm and when the concert started everybody was just singing, no cringy things. And also there were a lot of young people (I was 14 at the time) but all of them were just chill.
(sorry if I made some mistakes lol)
usually it's crazier in front from what i've seen
I think that is a big thing on internet. And yes, people in Europe and Asia tend to be more calm and less fannatic in this kind of things.
Yeah it was quite strange, I was 14 or 15 when I saw them and I was the youngest person there, I was surrounded by these grown men which was very unexpected
I went in Houston, TX and everyone was pretty chill. It's just the internet fans.
The clique is either super toxic or really amazing. It's never in between. I honestly wish the super toxic side wasn't that loud and annoying
Kin Laison agreed
Kin Laison so true I sometimes feel so embarrassed by the clique
Kin Laison
EXACTLY
Often people see only the toxic side and immediately label the whole clique
As a part of the clique, I agree with most of the points you made. It's a shame the toxic people are the most known. I've talked to some really sweet people in the clique. But I mean, there will always be toxic people, fanbase or not.
Some toxic fans are quite annoying although I’ve never met one I know there’s a lot of them,and there’s also a lot of them too I agree,,I also love ur profile pic 🙂
@@frog7026 thanks! :)
peachymilk it’s okay
Fr, stay strong fren
When those 18 clique fans ask you if you really know the real meaning, ya gotta ask them:
"Do you know the real meaning?"
Then walk out of the room with a smirk on your face.
I’ve seen them live twice, and adore their music. Their live show is phenomenal. It’s true that the only problematic thing is their fan base. Mostly the obnoxious 12 year olds who take offense to everything and send death threats to anybody who even so much as thinks of opposing Tyler and Josh. Some of the fans are decent. It’s not even a matter of being cringey or obnoxious. It’s a matter of some of them simply not being good people, and that creates a bad face for their fanbase in its entirety.
I love the music. Favorite band ever. But the fan idolatry of Josh and Tyler is ridiculous.
DarkEchoes
Thank you!
@@kosmic100 I've seen people say "ThEy ArE pErfECt smOl bEanS" and tbh I don't think they know the definition of perfect lol
Big agreement
Yeah, their music saved my life, but I wont treat them like gods for it and hand feed them grapes while I fan them with a palm leaf.
I respect them like humans.
They are better than most, though, haha
@Panic!! at the tøp No one is perfect. To state that someone is is a lie.
@Panic!! at the tøp Perfect is defined as having no flaws. Tyler and Josh have flaws. I have flaws. You have flaws. I'm just done with human beings being treated like Gods when what they are are entertainers. 21 Pilots seem chill. I'm just tired of unnecessary worship.
Overplayed? Sure, Overrated? Never
Longarrow12
Reason Number 3
Longarrow12 YESSSSSS PREACH
Yes overrated
Agreed
Dryd3n 21235 So people can't showcase their love for their fav band anymore? This is the kind of thing that gets me triggered... like people can be fans without being cringy! Jeez....
I’ve seen tons of comments about how they suck because preteens and teens are the fan base now, but I’m a preteen and I’ve been a fan for ages and part of the clique and I’ll always love them and I do love them because I fully understand the meaning of “stay alive”, and as I child I have had times where I’ve wanted to give up, and twenty one pilots saved me. I have no way to repay that dept, and I will forever be loyal and love them.
I've been a fan since 1st grade. I'm 13
Right
same here. i was going thru a really dark time and i was exposed to Twenty One Pilots. they helped me get out of that spot and continue to help me, and whenever i need someone i can always just go to the clique.
The fanbase kinda callmed down during the hiatus but it's still pretty fricking bad and the "iTs TwEnTY| ∅nE| pIl∅TS nOt 21 PilOTs!!!!!!!" kids are not going anywhere.
Honestly I will forever have a problem with ‘21 pilots’ it pisses me off when people do that but I think most of the time the øs and |s are unnecessary
Karni BS FRRR they get so pressed when people say “21 pilots” like “Next time can you please spell out 21” that’s the problem with the toxic fanbase
not a 21p fan but i dont think any fanbase can exist without cringey fans,like literally every single mainstream rock band/other fandom i'm in i've come across fan behaviors that make me want to jump off a cliff
lars benzedrine Exactly why I love fandoms of underrated bands
That’s true, with the 1% theory, it states that 1% of fandoms are generally horrible. And with smaller fandoms, that 1% is easier to manage than larger ones since that 1% is smaller with a smaller number, buuut top seems to have way more cringy fans than other larger fanbases. I feel like different large fanbases have different types of cringe, but top is just horrible
blisteringberries I dont think top is at 1% more like 20%
[insert screaching about wrong abreviatons etc etc etc because honestly, yeah, that side of the fanbase is so fucking toxic]
For the emo part, blurryface seems like the only album that has the emo esthetic
True, although Migraine gives off some ‘emo’ vibes in Vessel
Truce
I don't think "emo" is a proper term for music genre, just because.. It's all about the lyrics. They are emotional people, they are sensitive as lot of us are, and they write about it. For me the word "emo" brings back the picture of 2006 emo kid with emo bangs, piercing and stuff, and this is not the case here.
@@unfortunate2565 its emo kid
@@mywallet7367 Nope. It' s alternative pop/rock
I see them like I do Rick and Morty. I like the actual content but can't stand the fanbase.
Andy Benji yess
*Tyler's voice and style:* People think his voice is whiny and pitching. Also don't like how he switches between singing and rapping.
*Their lyrics:* People see the lyrics sometimes as overdramatic and their lyrics seem pretentious.
*Cringy fanbase:* There are a lot of overly defensive fans who tend to idolise the band.
*Religion:* People don't like how they are so open about their Christian faith and incorporate it into their music.
*Overplayed:* Their music is overplayed by fans and the radio which causes overexposure and beats them into the ground. Examples: Ride; Stressed Out; Heathens
*Emo aesthetic:* People have a tendency to jump the gun at judging them, because of their dark and red scheme, the ski masks, the make-up ad etc.
Candy H yup, and there is so much more to TØP than that
They are one of my favorite bands
This is the most true comment ever.
I love tøp sooo much ;-;
The great thing about them for me is that they show their christian faith. Since i'm christian i can enjoy them.
I wish that the radio didn't play heathens. It's like one of their weakest songs in my opinion.
Panic!! at the tøp and that’s DEFINITELY nothing to brag about..
that’s why they played it.
@Fidel RMZ so true
I like it more now because of the connection to trench and Tyler said it was more of a forced sponsor
At first the clique and overplayed songs made me annoyed by them, tbh. But then I was like "dammit, why do people love them so much, they can't be that good!"
Boy, I was wrong. Still not a huge fan but now I get the hype.
UPD: Also them being friends with Paramore is +100 to their karma
1. Their fan base
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Ben Knights yep.
Not everyone tho
Ding Dong your opinion is wrong
Angelina Marinelarena true
You guys suck
I don’t mind Twenty One Pilots but it’s the fans that turn me off a bit. They’re so radical and will argue with people if they disagree. I like their music but it isn’t as “ground breaking” as people say it is.
Heather Burkett exactly. They also gotta branch out with lyrics imo, the topic of anxiety/depression theme gets old
yeah I’m a huge fan of them but most of their fandom is fucking cancerous
The clique isn’t obsessive! Omg why would you say that the clique is the best fanbase stop hating on Tyler and Joseph and dissing the clique stop hating!!!!!!!
Izaak Steeves “tyler and joseph” lmao deaddddddd 💀👌
Izaak Steeves you would think for a crazed fan like yourself, you’d at least get their names right. NEXT
1. Tyler's voice is amazing. He was probably born with autotune in his vocal cords. Lol.
2. Do people know what metaphors are? Did they pay attention in English class?
3. I never really seen many toxic people in the clique. But the whole Joshler thing is kinda weird.
4. Why the hell would you hate them for their religion? They're people, they got religions. Don't hate on them for their beliefs.
5. How is it overrated or overplayed? I barely ever heard their popular songs played on the radio to be honest. There's also only three songs to mention out of five albums. I think it's good that they get attention.
6. So they don't like how Tyler wants his fans to stay alive? He also suffers with depression and he can write his emotion. Also, the stuff they wear make them unique. What other band wears ski masks, eyeshadow, paints their neck and hands black, and has a microphone hanging from the ceiling? What's that? You don't know? Exactly.
Real, especially with the lyrics
I don't really like TOP but what pushed me over the edge with them was that Hot Topic had them listed as a punk band lmao. I complained about it on twitter and fans were like "umm... why do you hate them so much??" and I had to explain that them NOT being punk isn't = to hate. But THEN I realized theres a whole group of people who think that they're into punk bc they like TOP. It's the weirdest thing ever
wait are you the twenty one pilots isnt emo girl
Twenty one pilots is my favorite band and I am apart of the clique, that being said I cannot stand the ugly part of it. Their music has helped me so much and the other people that I associate with, and I respect them greatly. The things that some of the fanbase does makes me so angry. How anyone thinks it’s okay to crash someone’s wedding to meet your favorite band boggles my mind. Some of these people clearly aren’t getting the message of their “idols” because they spew hatred towards people, going as far as to tell them to commit suicide, when Tyler and Josh stand for the exact opposite. The twenty one pilots community has been a beautiful part of my life for around two years now, but the toxic half must be avoided at all costs.
Bailey Cobb EXACTLY yeahh
The only thing to hate about twenty one pilots is the fucking "fanbase". I put that in quotations because it's more like a giant swarm of hyenas screeching as loud as they can.
Rifty's Cat omg why would you say that to the tøp fanbase? Everyone criticizes it stop hating
Izaak Steeves When you have people freaking out over the lead singers wife posting a picture of him, you know you have a problem.
I know right I'm a huge fan of their music but the type of people who listen to twenty one pilots make me not want to tell people I like them.
Blood'N'Bacon - Peter Johannes EXACTLY my situation! Tøp is tied for my favorite band (rivaled by Linkin Park) and the fanbase just makes it so hard to tell people!
Omg same. I agree so much. I'm a top fan (obviously) and the toxic side of the fandom is literal garbage. Thank God I haven't really interacted with one yet, I've just seen them ._.
1. I don't hate his voice, but I can understand this reason. There are singers' voices I can't stand too.
2. I enjoy intelligently written lyrics that have deeper meaning.
3. I agree with this point but I separate fans from the artists themselves.
4. I'm an atheist and I have heard some examples of lyrics that I could tell could be interpreted as being about a higher power but it doesn't bother me because they aren't being overtly preachy imo.
5. I can get that one, but you don't have to listen to the radio.
6. Emo or not, if I like the music, I'll listen. But I can understand why that might turn some people off.
I remember talking to a boy (that I really liked) about music. He asked what my favorite band was, so I said twenty one pilots. Their music genuinely helped me get over one of the loneliest, depressing periods of my life. This boy flat out insulted me for liking them, and it really hurt. I knew that people hate them because of the garbage fanbase they have. He made me feel genuinely ashamed about it. I agree, the fanbase is pretty garbage and sometimes even creepy in my opinion. Since that happened to me, I've basically vowed to myself to never ever mention that I even like twenty one pilots. People are unecessarily mean, and I don't understand. Why couldn't that boy just have respected that I like them and just say he doesn't like them very much, and not been so mean?
Moral of the story: Don't be so mean to people, or shame them because they like something that you hate.
When twenty one pilots stopped uploading ( or as they are in hiatus) everyone after a while started to get mad and commenting/sending messages to them like " UPLOAD A NEW MUSIC VIDEO " or " I'm so done with this, if you don't come back I'm leaving".
It truly breaks my heart, especially after their tour they need a lot of breaks, they toured for like what ? 2 years ? I don't know how much exactly but it was for a very long time.
In general, the fan base is cringe right now
After being a part of the clique for nearly 4 years, I feel like the cringy side of the clique are a loud minority. Yes, there are *alot* of fans who take it way too far, but if you look deep enough, there is a strong, creative and beautiful community there. It's just sad that the community is being ruined by over the top fans
i agree i wish the super toxic side wasn't that loud
over the *TOP* fans XD
im sorry
You should have said over the *TØP* fans XD ok I’ll stop really tho I agree
i think the toxic fans are slowly leaving and turning to bts cause of the hiatus anyways
Salma Mokhtar some people are floating over to k-pop and such because we're just sick of the toxic clique too, i mean i really like tøp but since they aren't really (at all) active right now i'm finding new and different music which is fine, and i think it's what other people are doing as well, because hopefully josh and tyler will come back after the hiatus and i still like them.. but the clique is a mess and i don't feel like being involved with that.
-also the tøp fans that i've seen in k-pop fandoms seem like mostly the nicer ones- 🤷
Interesting video Jon, it really captures what is going on.
I don't get why people would hate on bands/singers without having given them a chance, it maddens me so much. If it's not your thing it's not your thing, but why the hate?
The worst thing about Twenty One Pilots haters in particular is that they seem to think that the whole fan base is cringy and they also seem to really enjoy attacking the fans. As someone who cares a lot about the music it really hurts to see so much hatred. I know they are not talking about the kind of fan I am, but because they address the entire fanbase it still feels personal.
Edit: what makes me most sad is that the fandom was so supportive and nice and caring up until they became popular and now there's so much toxicity
I don't hate the band... In fact I do like most of their music. It's just the fans that have slowly dragged me away from them
evie n how could you dis the clique, bruh stop hating
Izaak Steeves wtf have u seen the clique? They got worse
No I Dont Want Your Seed So go Away the fanbase isn’t bad stop hating bruh
as a proud member of the clique, I came to this video ready to be upset and offended but I honestly agree with your points because they seemed thought out and rational. thank you for not just blindly spreading hate. 💛:-)
Every single reason he said they're hated for is why I love 21pilots
twenty one pilots*
Does it matter, and anyway this was a year ago. Why are you even replying
@@loismitchell9063 I'm not hating or anything, just meant to help. Sorry if I offended you.
Leon K ah it’s fine
Yeah same
I like them. Nothing really wrong with who they are as people and they make the music they want to make... The fans on the other hand make people turn away. It's just the fans trying to over hype them as some kind of gods.
Personally I've always separated the clique and the fandom. The fandom is the insane teenagers who obsess over the two of them (fandoms tend to focus themselves more on the people and turn them into idols). The clique, based on what I know from before the blurryface era and my own opinion, is the group of people who are passionate about and dedicated to the message that the band stands for and who have a deeper appreciation of the music. Of course there can be crossover, I definitely consider myself part of the clique but I admit that I can have some fanboy-ish tendencies, but on the whole I consider them separate groups.
Same
TOP, new wave FOB fans, and waterparks are the most toxic fanbases atm. absolutely turns me off from the bands even though their music doesn't have much to do with that. it's like you're not allowed to have any opinion on them that doesn't include worshipping the ground they stand on. very off-putting.
I agree with absolutely 0 of these things. I respect people's opinions, but I definitely don't agree
Would you agree that the reason to hate them....is they make just generic crappy music?
HolyCanoley I would 1000000% disagree w that while people like Halsey or Billie Eilish are around
@Anson Hartzler sorry for being late but it is okay if you don't like them. I am really happy to see no one attacking you for disliking them! :D
@Anson Hartzler oh sorry I meant to send that to the person who didn't like TØP lmao. Yeah, trench is an amazing album though
@@HolyCanoley that's okay is that is your opinion! And I'm really happy to not see anyone hating on you for it! :D
The only reason fans are crazy about them is because we relate with them. They help us through so much, and I dont mean to have hate it's just saying that hey we love them because they love us and they have the issues that the Cliqukies have!
[♡Stay Alive♡]
I love Twenty one pilots but the clique is a very toxic fan base, like you said, attacking people and spamming hate. That's the reason why i don't talk about twenty one pilots online cause any differing opinion of the popular one will cause an uproar.
sir i protect my babies TOP at all costs. >:v
lmao this is sarcasm
i thought you were seriousXD
Angel Luis Peralta Castelan I love top so much I been a fan since stressed out came on my radio now I'm in love with them in my heart their songs are good and amazing
twentyonepilotsloverjoseph Tidmore same the first time i heard stressed out i fell in love with their band and now to this day i know almost all their song. All the lyrics its de best
Angel Luis Peralta Castelan yøu didn’t crøss øut yøur ø’s and call Jishwa and Tyjø smøl beans
*FaKE fAn !!!1!!1!1*
this is sarcasm too 😂
The fan base is terrible, I think I’ve said on your videos before that I got death threats for saying 21P and not liking them.
Hypocrites.
when he started talking about hardcore fans I thought I would relate to it all, but everything he said shocked me. I’m so sorry about those who threatened you; they obviously take things like this way too seriously.
Actual death threats? Omg I’m so sorry on behalf of the clique that’s the exact opposite of what their music says and I’m disappointed that some of their fans don’t get it
I feel so bad for you I apologise on behalf of the clique ||-// stay alive fren
Those are not real fans but looking for attention teens...
I think their songs are actually amazing and they’re amazing and I love them so so much....Also not all the fans are bad....a lot are super nice and help each other
We are here, and we don’t care if you write 21 pilots instead of twenty one pilots
i do, but i know i'm petty about tiny things
Yeah!!
I have a BIG problem with the church and Christianity and religion in general as there’s a lot of awful things going on with that but twenty one pilots have never really made me mad with their religious belief. I think it’s very interesting how they present religion as a positive thing when to me it has always been quite hurtful and about hate and excluding others, just in how the religious people I see and have around live with religion. So I like the counterpoint being set by twenty one pilots even though I can’t agree with the sentiment of religion.
Cara Ellen it's just you can find good and bad people in region, there's still heart and morals to relegion but as any other system it gets corrupted with time.. so yeah you have a point
Religion goes through cycles of corruption, like everything else, and I think it’s high time, for Christianity especially, to clean up their act.
yeah, they speak about religion in more of a saving sense than an aggressive sense
and yeah there are good and bad parts of religion
Hannah Rose I agree. I go to church, pray, etc., but the things I see Christians do sometimes are ridiculous.
I think the emo aesthetic is the reason I stayed away from MCR and TØP for so long, but now I love both because I took the time to just listen and appreciate the quality of their music rather than focus on their image
Brady Roese i like their emo aesthetic i don't get what's wrong with it, it fits with everything else
Brady Roese Right! 😊
I don't think Tyler and Josh thought of the concept though haha! Because if you're in a business, you'll need something to conceptualize what you're selling to make them remembered.
Blame their marketing or label, i think.
Jamil Hneini there’s nothing wrong with it, it just wasn’t something I’m drawn to
21 pilots aren’t emo
i like twenty one pilots really, their songs mean so much to me and i don't think they are "fake deep" but the fanbase is cringy most of the time
TØP isn’t my favorite band, but it’s very high up on the list. And I didn’t know the fanbase was bad until I read the comment section
I didn’t even know that was possible to hate twenty one pilots
I used to not like Twenty One Pilots at all because I didn't initially get into their music and, as an Owl City fan, I self-dubbed them the hip hop equivalent (or maybe even a ripoff) of Owl City (given their lyrical style and occasional Christian message) that was way more popular than Owl City. But then, when Stressed Out, Ride, and Heathens blew up, I decided to check out more of their music. The timing was perfect because I was in a dark place at the time and it really helped me! I now am a Twenty One Pilots fan, but I do keep my distance from some of the fans as per your reason #3. I no longer think of them as an Owl City ripoff but as a genuine band I love!! Just my take and brief story about me and TOP!
I think every fanbase have these radical fans that makes people want to hate the artist/band but those people will realize later that they have gone too far. But I'm glad that there are also pretty amazing people even in clique.
I enjoy TØP but it’s mostly the fans (the clique) that makes people hate them
Rachel!attheDiscø Kiwi støp hating the fans!
Izaak Steeves I don’t hate the fans. Some of them are really cringy.
Rachel!attheDiscø Kiwi nø they aren’t
Izaak Steeves I guess.
As a clique member I can say: yes some of us are really damn crazy and cringy.
honestly, you just gotta respect peoples taste in music. I like twenty one pilots, but I respect if people don't like them or whatever.
what makes me sad is that I am a younger teen, and older fans constantly say that I am a fake fan because I am younger. I have listened to all of TOP's albums, I have all of them on my phone, etc. I genially love their music. They have helped me through some difficult times in my life. If you are one of those older fans putting younger fans down just for being younger, I would advise against it.
genially? but yes i agree
Before commenting or disliking remember this, Just because Jon Is talking about why people dislike Twenty One Pilots don't assume that Jon dislikes them too.
Remember he gave Vessel a 5/5 rating
TheMysteriousKnight yes, he stated that several times throughout the video
Satan I'm just reinforcing the point to those who don't bother watching the video
5 reasons people hate Imagine Dragons, Walk the Moon, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Bastille, Foo Fighters, and Green Day.
Imagine Dragons, Green Day and Foo Fighters will be interesting
The rest don't see to have many reasons or aren't enough popular to make it (also, Jon already make one with FOB)
AlexFlamer444 he did Green Day and FOB
Imagine Dragons- because their lyric are crap and they pretend to be a rock band when they are straight pop.
Green Day- Because they're moron Trump or Bush supporters. (already did one sort of)
Fall Out Boy- Because they haven't made a good album since 2008 and are trying to conform to pop culture. (already did one btw)
My Chemical Romance- Because they hate anything labeled emotional even though mcr is hard rock, glam rock, punk rock, and pop punk.
Walk the Moon- Because they are labeled Rock even though they are obviously a fan girl pop band and overrated.
Foo Fighters- I don't know. Cause its not Nirvana i guess.
Bastille- overplayed and to poppy. Lack of instrumentation
I know you said 5 but I don't have time.
Evan Light I’m not a Green Day Fan at all, but are you really going to call them Trump supporters when they made a song called “no trump, no kkk, no fascist USA” and performed it in a public event? I’m pretty sure they’re anti-trump supporters lol
As a HUGE foo fighters fan, i havent heard or seen anyone who actually hates foo fighters. the closest ive seen to that is just that they arent hardcore fans.
If you write it like "21p" the fans will tear you apart for not writing it like "tøp"
Allison F sPeLl It OuT fAkE fAn |-/
Thats because it is very disrespectful tø Tyler and jøsh tø write their name in letters sø støp hating!
Izaak Steeves
How is it disrespectul to write a name in letters? Please tell me your comment was ironic
chai if they wanted yøu tø spell it using numbers, than they wøuld have spelt it using numbers.
Izaak Steeves Do you even know where the “ø” even comes from you fucktard?
The thing is, you don’t need to necessarily be a part of the fan base or have anything to do with the fans base to consider yourself a “fan” of Twenty Øne Piløts. I can definitely understand why people get turned off by a majority of the fans in the Clique. It’s of course not all of the fans but like I said, a majority of them are fairly toxic. But it’s kinda hard to change someone’s opinion of things so as much as people explain I don’t think there’s going to be changing many minds. Although I gotta say, this is a pretty great video!
As a clique member; I can confirm we think every step Tyler takes is important to the lore
Yesss, their fanbase is :/ I saw an interview with Josh Dun and the people who edited the video wrote "Josh Dun from 21 pilots" and every comment was about how awful and disrespectful to the band was that they wrote 21 pilots instead of Twenty One Pilots or TØP... like... chill...
Linkin Park, I never understood the hate for them. I remember when liking Linkin Park was a joke at one point. Even when I was younger people would bad mouth them as if they were too angsty and emo or some dumb shit like that. It always angered me whenever people talked down on them when I was a huge fan. I mean I still am. So it'd be cool if you make a list for them
DohanJoe07 it's because some people treat music like a fad. It's kinda sad, because music doesn't age. A good song will always be good, unlike movies that rely on visuals to sell or be enjoyable but fade away when better ones come out.
DohanJoe07 and then after Chester died people we're like, "oh no we always loved linkin park" smh
I agree with you.
Gerge Jack I disagree. They haven't been angsty since their second album Meteora ( 2003). It became more political. And since then played a lot with song structures and songwriting became more complex. Most notably their 2010 album ( A thousand Suns) which was compared to stuff from Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd. And then while you thought their constant genre change failed with each album, they all still debuted at number 1 on the charts with the exception of their 2014 album. That still was succesful debuting at number 3. But ofcourse, it's all a matter of perception.
1. What's wrong with nu metal? Nothing.
2. What do you mean by "weak/spotty lyrical content"? Like the topic of suicide and depression and needing help? I'm confused.
3. "Bad guitar work" my ass; Brad Delson is a great guitarist. Even if he wasn't, that's not a reason to hate them. You can never judge a band by specific instruments.
4. "Sound change"? You mean trying different things with their music over time like every real artist does?
Nah fam. People need to listen to at least a few of a band's songs before shitting on them. Also, Twenty One Pilots is extremely overrated (honestly mediocre at best) and the fanbase is absolute trash; the Clique is literally a fucking cult.
some reasons ive seen are
-they glorify mental illness/profit off of it: im not a diehard top fan (I used to be) but this just makes me mad tbh. let artists write about their struggles without being told their glamorizing it. it may not be good for you, but its a healthy outlet for them or others.
-their quietness on political issues, mostly tyler: who cares. they're musicians, not politicians. they dont have to say anything if they dont want to.
there's a lot of other bs reasons online too lmao
kobra kid I have a feeling that people want top to have political opinions but only ones they agree with
same. im liberal myself but like,, even if they were conservative/right wing (which i honestly doubt) then whatever im only here for music as long as they arent horribly bigoted
kobra kid '' Glorify mental problems '', sorry but that is not true. What you are trying to see with your lyrics is that you have to eliminate that taboo that exists in the face of mental illness. With the idea of 'we all have problems but we can not give up so easy'. Most people get scared when talking about this. It is not easy for the traditional music that is heard on the radio to play this type of themes in the songs. Although nowadays it is changing only a little bit. And with respect to political ideas , the truth does not interest me too much what they think about this, what I am interested in is that they think the politicians who govern us. If I want to listen to music I listen, what I feel and I want to listen. I am not asking you what color you If you want to talk about that, that's fine. And if not, too. Sometimes it seems like you have to be famous talking about what I do in the bathroom? Haha. And I do not want to hear any artist talking about their songs About politics and I like it I will listen to it. Too much drama they already have in their lyrics so that they also need this kind of drama. I understood it that way. I understood it and it seemed good to me. And even if their songs did not have that "drama" '', the R Sometimes, there are things that some prefer to comment privately than in public. And everyone will have their reasons. Greetings and sorry for my bad inglish.
i agree i dont think they glorify them at all. and i think ppl r mad they dont talk abt politics online or in interviews rather than in their music but i still agree w u
kobra kid Oh, I had misunderstood you, haha. I am sorry!
I completely agree to most points made. I consider myself a pretty large fan, tonight from NPI being my favourite song. I do understand how they can be considered Emo considering how amazing of a lyricist Tyler is. The overplayed point pretty much sums up why I barely listen to stressed out, ride or heathens. None of my friends are fans of their specific style which I can understand. But personally Tøp has help me through a heap of shit. That's why Tyler is and I hope always be my favourite artist. Josh is cool too. But Tyler is the lead singer (if you get the reference) 😉
Honestly, I think our fanbase is so encouraging and so nice to everyone. We tell our life stories and people listen because they can relate to them. Now, this is not everyone. But, many people that I've seen have problems they don't think make them special but then Twenty One Pilots come along and helps them, It's not immediately resolved so they help others in the process, and sometime it may be resolved for them too. There's always going to those annoying mean people in a fanbase that is going to drive people out and I hope if your seeing this right now and this did happen to you that you will rethink it because once you get in and see how kind everyone is, its just sooo amazing. This is just my personal experience and opinion....
Some people come for help
Some people come for the jams
And some have another reason
but we are all Twenty One Pilots fan
And there's no difference between them
:)
To everyone saying it panders to thirteen year old girls, how? How is their music tailored to girls? I understand that many teens can confide in that type of lyrical content, but I would LOVE to hear one valid point that shows they make music for girls.
Nicole Rogers it makes no sense to me that they're catering to "girls" they don't specifically cater to a certain gender in no way whatsoever...whoever came up with that ideology is tripping
Nicole Rogers I would say that their music is much more for teenagers but not any specific gender. I don’t hear many people make that argument. Maybe it’s just because most of their fans are girls. At least the open ones.
Nicole Rogers That's just a semi sexist put down for things that people consider bad. Nobody ever said that The Beatles were for teenage girls and some people say that teenage girls weren't their biggest audience( yet video evidence suggests otherwise ).
Jonah Nutellord Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. I don’t think that’s a major argument but while I was scrolling through these comments I saw multiple comments stating such. We may just be exposed to different people, but I’ve found that when I meet people in real life who dislike them, they occasionally bring up that point. I did write that comment in the spur of the moment, but I still think my message still applies to anyone who uses that argument, regardless of the amount of people who do. : )
All 7 reasons should’ve been the skeleton clique
7. Their elitism towards the music industry. They're constantly taking shots at the music industry, bigger artists, radio, etc. in their songs and on social media. It comes off as whiny and that they believe they're better than the rest of the artists/industry because their music is "genuine" and they have more "organic" roots than the people sitting right next to them at these awards shows.
And this is coming from someone who's been a fan since Regional At Best
atmosvere thank you! the bridge in hoty and the intro to hds are excellent examples.
21 Pilots, Imagine Dragons, Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco and others with this techno electro pop dance shit are killing what is labeled as alt rock or alternative music in general. Today's alt rock is far from being alternative because this is mainstream pop. I can understand why young adults are getting sick of this so called alternative rock pop stuff and these bands like Greta Van Fleet are gaining in popularity now because old school classic rock is now the new real alternative rock with today's younger adults and thank God for that. It is awesome to read comments from young adults in that they are sick of this programmed electronic pop dance stuff and want to listen to actual instruments again. Other old genres are making a comeback with some young adults as well like, acoustic and electronic blues, metal and all the subgenres in metal, old school country & western music, folk music, bluegrass, jazz and classical. Old school music is now the real alternative music today and thank God more young adults are starting to go back to listening to bands that play real instruments. These programming techno pop dance mixes by modern pop sounding bands of today sound like it is more DJ programming than actual live music.
I'm 12 and to be completely honest, I love Twenty Øne Pilots. I know it sounds cliché when I say that they help me with suicidal thoughts and depression but to be completely honest I relate to what they're saying and they help me with bad stuff going on in the world by addressing it. They really help but I hate some of the fan base. I've met some really lovely fans and haven't really had the misfortune of meeting assholes but I know how bad it can be.
Lyrical content that make you think is the best. For instance, I feel like i get a history lesson everytime i listen to rage against the machine. Sometimes mindless music is cool, but I'd rather be mentally stimulated.
Almost everything that Tyler has written, even his old demo tracks, have had major emo influences. So no, I have no idea why people would think they’re playing that up.That’s been the band from the start.
Twenty One Pilots are one of my new favourite bands but the fanbase...Oh God!
*cough* those people with the cringy "emo trinity" usernames *cough*
What, like Panicatthechemicalpilotsdisco? *cough* I don't know what you mean. *cough*
Oh those are annoying
Oh fuck I used to be one of those back in middle school. Even though I only liked mcr out of the three bands lmao
The thing that bugs me about TOP I personally don't like their sound but people assume I do because I like MCR, which has a completely different then TOP.