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@Susan Kennedy - thank you # @Mikosch2 - yes, that is true... I do believe some 69 models were retrofitted to accept attachments from the rear for a cover
Not enough bars so they switched to texting. I'm not even joking that much. www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Controller_Pilot_Data_Link_Communications_(CPDLC)
@@bbking0064 Seems improbable a trained pilot wouldn't know what mach number is, but yeah after the first two attempts they should've just asked for knots
Out in the real world, I’m an ICU nurse. I’ve seen everything from absence seizures to full on gran mal where the patient was seizing so hard he literally flipped face down in the bed (with me holding onto the central line for dear life). Seizures can be life threatening if they go into status epilepticcus, where you have seizures hitting so fast / so hard / won’t break that the patient can’t breathe - I don’t think it would have been that bad, because there would have been a lot more urgency to get down NOW. I hope the pilot was ultimately okay, neuro stuff is scary....
Nellie Olsen there was an urgency to get down asap, since the pilots already were advised by professional doctors on the ground to land immediately, but over the Atlantic Ocean, it’s quite limited with suitable places to land
Oh, don't worry, I'm a late 80's and I do the same. I even do it when I speak, I think something and then start saying something completely different, only to stop myself mid sentence and go "wait, what am I talking about..?". Scatterbrain, basically.
It could be coincidence, but I appreciate how the communicating pilot is being intentionally vague-- "the pilot" vs captain or F/o and it's "a male 1966". I'm sure he's aware that the transmission may go out far and wide beyond the airwaves onto someone's blog or YT video. I'm the same in my profession since I deal with confidential and protected info- it's strictly "a need to know basis."
Vagueness is SOP for reporting medical. Never give identifying information over the air for the reasons you gave, it's not private. Only give what medical needs to know, conscious, not conscious, age, sex, stuff like that.
Is it just me or does non-US communication sound more professional, consise, to the point, where the US chatter seems like someone phoning home? "affirm", "say again" etc, rather than "yeah, sure, why not"; "sorry i missed that, what did you say"
@@Vontai21 Not true. There's an update elsewhere in the comments from the first officer on this flight saying that the captain is doing well and has returned to flying. Sometimes seizures are caused by a one-off medical problem that leaves no ongoing neurological issues. It is possible that his medical certificate has been limited to flying only with another pilot, though that would not limit his airline career in any way. It would, however, restrict his flying in smaller aircraft.
@@DavidWood2 Yes. Seizures can often be prevented by medication. In those cases, a person can be deemed as still medically fit to fly after some time of medical observation and no repeat episodes.
Yeah it's a good thing to check if the airport has a tow capable enough for a 787-800, if not they could end stuck in front of the terminal, or trying to push it backwards using their hands. Seizures in flight, damn that's scary, hope the pilot is ok. As far as i know, pilots have quite a extensive medical care, but you never know when stuff like this can happen to you.
You know that was the longest few minutes in the pilots life knowing he'll never step foot inside the "pointy" end for pay. Could be something pretty benign...but that won't matter at all.
Not necessarily so. Depending on the condition, medication can prevent seizures and it's possible that after some time with no relapse of the condition, he might be able to return to duty. Not saying that's the case here (I have no idea), but it is possible -- even for a pilot.
Hey VASAviation. I was wondering if we could get in contact so I can get an ATC archive. We skipped the long line of airliners in a twin-prop plane at Fort Myers. It was pretty funny. A Southwest was already lined up too when we took off
I wish all the best to the pilot who got ill. I wasn't even aware Norwegian Shuttle existed until a couple weeks ago when I had to fly FCO-LAX on a short notice. All business class options were too pricey for my company policy and all premium economy options were sold out. I had almost resigned to have the 13-hours flights in the cattle car when I found out Norwegian. They have a "premium" class that seat-wise is something in between a business class and a premium economy, seating on the 787 is 2-3-2. Food is economy shit, and there's no amenities pouch, but there's free booze and a choice of decently priced snacks and sandwiches if you feel hungry outside service time. Cabin crew was friendly, efficient, and very kind. No infant children were present but I'm afraid that was only out of luck, not airline policy. I would suggest Norwegian to add a row of lay-flat seats in the future, they may get a good business out of it without offering business class service, after all people like me who travel long haul for work appreciate the possibility of sleeping good over fancy food and champagne. Best luck to Norwegian!
Yeah... a tonne is a useless unit. They should just call it a megagram, which it is. But then when I take my car in for service and I tell them it's in for its 8 megameter oil change they look at me funny until I say 8,000 km oil change.
Indeed Sir. . .a TONNE is 1,000 Kilogrammes. The old English 'TON' was 2,240 Lbs ( Pounds ) and since a Kilogramme is equal ( roughly ) to 2.2 Pounds,. . .a Metric TONNE is a bit heavier . . .
and one tonne is base on the metric system of measurement!!!! 1 cubit meter of water is 1 tonne so both weights and measurements work together!!! a little more detailed than that water has to be a certain temp and atmospheric height, but you get the jist!
I've often wondered that Alia. . . .I'm a Radio 'Ham' and recently I bought a tiny little hand held radio made in China. I can talk all around the world on that and it cost just £15.00, delivered, from Ebay. Airband communications are still AM ( Amplitude Modulated - Just like the Good Buddy CB radios of old. . . ) by ICAO regulations, consequently, the signals are crap, and subject to all sorts of interference from electrical equipment etc. . . . . I doubt if they will ever change to Narrow Band FM. . . .
Notice how the controller/pilot copied perfectly things we couldn’t hear? That leads me to believe the issue is on the end of the person recording transmissions
@@drnogueiras8783 That's correct. The transmissions are usually fairly clear to the pilots and controllers, but we're listening via some random person's antenna at some random location.
Only in bad wx condx. Helicopters, as with Any aircraft not fitted with Cat 3 Autoland, would normally ask for an instrument approach of which ILS is a vital part.
Honestly. I'd take SAS over Norwegian. I had a flight with Nor get cancelled because of an over worked crew. Fun fact though. It's EU law to reimburse the passengers for any cancellations. Our entire $4k trip was reimbursed.
Would you rather fly with an "over worked" crew? These are regulations put in place by icao and regulatory agencies all over the world to protect life. Not something norwegian made up. :)
I believe for very long flights (like those crossing oceans) will have two full sets of flight crew. Commuter runs (like most of Southwest Airlines routes) generally only require two pilots.
Then the one remaining lands the plane. I magine that's a heck of a workload, to be flying, monitoring and communicating all at once. But I guess ATC will give a lone pilot more time to respond, longer approaches (to be able to complete checklist while flying) etc
Nope 0994 is a possible qnh isa is 1013 15°C maybe there was some low preasure system going through when they landed so the qnh was bit lower than normal
MattheW Bratsoun yeah now that I read back the comment I notice that I misunderstood his comment I though he was asking if a 0994 was possible and yeah it can be said 994 or 0994 both ways are correct phraseology
Not unusual to have additional crew on transoceanic flights. Also, many pilots are commuting and maybe even riding jump seat. This is one of the reasons airlines almost universally accommodate jumpseat crew (from any airline or cargo line) is they can be counted on to pitch in in an emergency.
You're thinking of decapitated. Incapacitated means he's no longer able to participate in an activity. Meaning he can't fly. He couldn't fly because he was having a seizure. He's is incapacitated because he cant fly because he is having a seizure. Kinda make sense?
SuperAhmed1337 agree if it was me I would have declared a full emergency for priority landing with the emergency personnel going in asap getting my captain the care he needed.
Obviously, since he only declared PANPAN, he did not receive priority for landing, right? We just saw in the video that he had to hold for about 30 minutes while other traffic landed. Now sarcasm aside, the aircraft received priority, it landed as soon as possible with no delay whatsoever and the pilot received medical care as soon as possible. Did you even watch the full video?
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Isnt regularly a PAN-PAN really handles as an emergency?
John Bäckstrand There's mayday for that. Pan-pan if for situations that require urgency but there is no imminent danger to the vessel or to life for the time being.
As someone who had seizures myself (epilepsy) prior to getting on the right meds, and had one on a plane once, they are often not life-threatening, unless other symptoms are present, like very high fever. If they had a medical professional on board, they likely got advice on how urgent the situation was. And seems like they landed as soon as they could. When I seized, there was a nurse in the row behind me who explained to me what happened when I came out of the seizure. After a seizure, you’re fuzzy and post-ictal for a while, until your brain recovers from the electrical storm - kind of like a computer doing a hard reboot. In my case, they didn’t divert (not that they should have - I wasn’t the pilot!) but they did have an ambulance meet the plane at the gate and take me to the hospital for follow-up.
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I do like the addition of the waypoints though.
What software is it?
Ruben Kelevra idea - we follow it on a live stream
Ruben Kelevra oh. My mistake.
Nor Shuttle: "A 1966 male..."
That was a good model for males - later ones never came with active cruise control or rear suspension
Trek001 ok, that is the funniest thing I have read in a while. You are one witty person
But then again, there never was a convertible version. It came with a trailer hook standard though, that was very useful!
@Susan Kennedy - thank you
#
@Mikosch2 - yes, that is true... I do believe some 69 models were retrofitted to accept attachments from the rear for a cover
And the models 1980's and later tend to have a lot of emissions and noise in the rear. Definitely not very environmentally friendly.
Trek001 - It was a good model year for males. Some of the even older ones are still running. They just needed TLC and a few minor repairs.
And to this day still expecting Air New Zealand to report mach number.
Lol
Not enough bars so they switched to texting. I'm not even joking that much.
www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Controller_Pilot_Data_Link_Communications_(CPDLC)
No Scots on board so no Mac number!
The pilot didn't understand him and probably sheepishly didn't want to ask again. The controller may have had better results asking for speed.
@@bbking0064 Seems improbable a trained pilot wouldn't know what mach number is, but yeah after the first two attempts they should've just asked for knots
Legend says that ANZ is still figuring out its mach number.
Say again?
Yes this is ANZ, go ahead.
Out in the real world, I’m an ICU nurse. I’ve seen everything from absence seizures to full on gran mal where the patient was seizing so hard he literally flipped face down in the bed (with me holding onto the central line for dear life). Seizures can be life threatening if they go into status epilepticcus, where you have seizures hitting so fast / so hard / won’t break that the patient can’t breathe - I don’t think it would have been that bad, because there would have been a lot more urgency to get down NOW. I hope the pilot was ultimately okay, neuro stuff is scary....
Nellie Olsen there was an urgency to get down asap, since the pilots already were advised by professional doctors on the ground to land immediately, but over the Atlantic Ocean, it’s quite limited with suitable places to land
"1966 male"
Oh, GOOD year for males. Strong nose with a smooth finish.
I thought it read Decapitated... what the hell am I thinking today.
I have noticed I read one thing and think another...I think it has something to do with me being a 1960s model.
Oh, don't worry, I'm a late 80's and I do the same. I even do it when I speak, I think something and then start saying something completely different, only to stop myself mid sentence and go "wait, what am I talking about..?". Scatterbrain, basically.
Freudian...
I think that on all incapacitated vids lol.
2:20 "TELL ME HOW F***ING FAST YOU'RE GOING, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!"
It could be coincidence, but I appreciate how the communicating pilot is being intentionally vague-- "the pilot" vs captain or F/o and it's "a male 1966". I'm sure he's aware that the transmission may go out far and wide beyond the airwaves onto someone's blog or YT video. I'm the same in my profession since I deal with confidential and protected info- it's strictly "a need to know basis."
Vagueness is SOP for reporting medical. Never give identifying information over the air for the reasons you gave, it's not private. Only give what medical needs to know, conscious, not conscious, age, sex, stuff like that.
I think so too. It's also why he refers to the patient as "a crew member" and not "the captain."
legend says ANZ still hasn't reported the mach number.
Is it just me or does non-US communication sound more professional, consise, to the point, where the US chatter seems like someone phoning home? "affirm", "say again" etc, rather than "yeah, sure, why not"; "sorry i missed that, what did you say"
My best wishes to the pilot!
@@Vontai21 Not true. There's an update elsewhere in the comments from the first officer on this flight saying that the captain is doing well and has returned to flying. Sometimes seizures are caused by a one-off medical problem that leaves no ongoing neurological issues.
It is possible that his medical certificate has been limited to flying only with another pilot, though that would not limit his airline career in any way. It would, however, restrict his flying in smaller aircraft.
@@DavidWood2 Yes. Seizures can often be prevented by medication. In those cases, a person can be deemed as still medically fit to fly after some time of medical observation and no repeat episodes.
Yeah it's a good thing to check if the airport has a tow capable enough for a 787-800, if not they could end stuck in front of the terminal, or trying to push it backwards using their hands.
Seizures in flight, damn that's scary, hope the pilot is ok.
As far as i know, pilots have quite a extensive medical care, but you never know when stuff like this can happen to you.
Samuel Sann could always reverse thrust out of the gate if it comes down to it.
Xeldinn not allowed to do that
I know that, but if there was no other way, I don't see what it would hurt :-D
Wasn't it the early MD-80's (DC-8) that could do it?
The building and ground crew would get hurt
You know that was the longest few minutes in the pilots life knowing he'll never step foot inside the "pointy" end for pay. Could be something pretty benign...but that won't matter at all.
yea, a sad end to his career. I am not a pilot but that would even rule out GA flying wouldn't it?
If the poster is legit, the FO posted recently that the pilot is flying again.
Not necessarily so. Depending on the condition, medication can prevent seizures and it's possible that after some time with no relapse of the condition, he might be able to return to duty. Not saying that's the case here (I have no idea), but it is possible -- even for a pilot.
Rednose is back !
Rudolph!! Yay!!!
That's nor shuttle, rednose is a different operator with same brand
what is the sex of the patient?
-stand by
xD
They asked for the age at the same time, hence the "stand by"
Jeffrey Steinberg I think you missed the subtle joke
Jeffrey Steinberg Not that bright are we?
Its a joke guys.
Jeffrey Steinberg Woooosh
EI-ICU is the cost guard helicopter Rescue115 operating out of Shannon.
Hey VASAviation. I was wondering if we could get in contact so I can get an ATC archive. We skipped the long line of airliners in a twin-prop plane at Fort Myers. It was pretty funny. A Southwest was already lined up too when we took off
Have you tried contacting LiveATC.net to see if they have backup recordings? They may be able to help you. www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=krsw
Jeez, get it together Air New Zealand 2.
Bloody Kiwis ( ! ) just Joshin' guys. . .
I wish all the best to the pilot who got ill.
I wasn't even aware Norwegian Shuttle existed until a couple weeks ago when I had to fly FCO-LAX on a short notice. All business class options were too pricey for my company policy and all premium economy options were sold out.
I had almost resigned to have the 13-hours flights in the cattle car when I found out Norwegian. They have a "premium" class that seat-wise is something in between a business class and a premium economy, seating on the 787 is 2-3-2. Food is economy shit, and there's no amenities pouch, but there's free booze and a choice of decently priced snacks and sandwiches if you feel hungry outside service time. Cabin crew was friendly, efficient, and very kind. No infant children were present but I'm afraid that was only out of luck, not airline policy.
I would suggest Norwegian to add a row of lay-flat seats in the future, they may get a good business out of it without offering business class service, after all people like me who travel long haul for work appreciate the possibility of sleeping good over fancy food and champagne.
Best luck to Norwegian!
Marco Casati piss off and take your amenities pouch with you.
So, I just found out that a tonne is a unit of measure that is different from a ton.
Yeah... a tonne is a useless unit. They should just call it a megagram, which it is. But then when I take my car in for service and I tell them it's in for its 8 megameter oil change they look at me funny until I say 8,000 km oil change.
Indeed Sir. . .a TONNE is 1,000 Kilogrammes. The old English 'TON' was 2,240 Lbs ( Pounds ) and since a Kilogramme is equal ( roughly ) to 2.2 Pounds,. . .a Metric TONNE is a bit heavier . . .
and one tonne is base on the metric system of measurement!!!! 1 cubit meter of water is 1 tonne so both weights and measurements work together!!! a little more detailed than that water has to be a certain temp and atmospheric height, but you get the jist!
I am wondering with al the technology these days, why is the communication still crap?
I've often wondered that Alia. . . .I'm a Radio 'Ham' and recently I bought a tiny little hand held radio made in China. I can talk all around the world on that and it cost just £15.00, delivered, from Ebay. Airband communications are still AM ( Amplitude Modulated - Just like the Good Buddy CB radios of old. . . ) by ICAO regulations, consequently, the signals are crap, and subject to all sorts of interference from electrical equipment etc. . . . . I doubt if they will ever change to Narrow Band FM. . . .
The comms do not sound like this in an aircraft
Notice how the controller/pilot copied perfectly things we couldn’t hear?
That leads me to believe the issue is on the end of the person recording transmissions
@@drnogueiras8783 That's correct. The transmissions are usually fairly clear to the pilots and controllers, but we're listening via some random person's antenna at some random location.
Just curious: EI-ICU seems to be a coast guard helicopter, is it common for them to fly an ILS approach into an international airport?
They use to practice IFR maneuvers as well.
Only in bad wx condx. Helicopters, as with Any aircraft not fitted with Cat 3 Autoland, would normally ask for an instrument approach of which ILS is a vital part.
LOL. We are failing to communicate.
I had to look up what a hectopascal was!
Honestly. I'd take SAS over Norwegian. I had a flight with Nor get cancelled because of an over worked crew. Fun fact though. It's EU law to reimburse the passengers for any cancellations. Our entire $4k trip was reimbursed.
Would you rather fly with an "over worked" crew? These are regulations put in place by icao and regulatory agencies all over the world to protect life. Not something norwegian made up. :)
Air New Zealand in Europe?!
WHAT THE HELL!
The Simulation Gamer they have a route from LAX to LHR
The end of a career right there. So sad
Two seizures in a previous healthy man, not a good sign. I tend to agree with ecutech
Ruben Kelevra - Can confirm that Florida sometimes resembles a less developed country. (Love ya, Floridians!)
So wrong Ruben...for every possible check and for botulism
you dont pass a tight regular medical then have a seizure after eating bad food. This guy has reached the end of the line..and that is so sad.
Ruben, I surely will not reveal my background, but I'm sure your is not medical one. Take care.
Is it usual to have 3 pilots? Seems a bit much to me. Except it's a nonstop transcontinental. Than it's understandable.
SIGMED divert into Shannon rather a transatlantic. Also they might have had a deadhead onboard.
cpt nordbart deadhead or might have been a third pilot that happened to be on board.
For a flight that long, it's advisable to carry a third pilot.
I believe for very long flights (like those crossing oceans) will have two full sets of flight crew. Commuter runs (like most of Southwest Airlines routes) generally only require two pilots.
Yes correct on long haul flights they normally have 3 pilots one is the second officer who takes controls when the captain or first officer sleeps
Any idea how the pilot is doing?
he is probably not flying anymore
He’s doing good and was up flying again after this incident.
@@FPJDK Vet du om han har fått en OML begrensning på CPL-sertifikatet?
Gosh, the accents. I could listen to these guys read a DICTIONARY
Just an ordinary Irish accent...
My husband was from Ireland. I guess I just miss him.
That was a jaunty left turn once on the ground!
Funny how pilots can calculate pressure differences, angles, radials, etc... and then when asked about the age of the pilot: “1966”.
I have never considered myself a 1943 male but it is what it is. BTW if they don't have two active pilots on board, what then?
Then the one remaining lands the plane. I magine that's a heck of a workload, to be flying, monitoring and communicating all at once. But I guess ATC will give a lone pilot more time to respond, longer approaches (to be able to complete checklist while flying) etc
PIC = .5 hours
he's from 1966 not it's a 1966 at 0:57
mathijs clottens he's from a different time
Thanks for sharing!
"What is the sex of the pilot"
"He sexually identifies as apache helicopter"
"Copied thanks"
so what was wrong with the 1966 pilot? the cause of seizures? medical professional here.
So you would know better than to ask or expect a reply. 🙄
@@JimWhitaker dunno. ask and ye shall receive... sometimes.
Were did the sector layout come from? or just made up
They're a little casual!
QNH 0994? I guessing they just omit the 1
Rare but not impossible
Nope 0994 is a possible qnh isa is 1013 15°C maybe there was some low preasure system going through when they landed so the qnh was bit lower than normal
decodiaz obviously yes
MattheW Bratsoun yeah now that I read back the comment I notice that I misunderstood his comment I though he was asking if a 0994 was possible and yeah it can be said 994 or 0994 both ways are correct phraseology
QNH was 994 hPa
A good luck they happened to be more than 2 pilots on that flight.
Not unusual to have additional crew on transoceanic flights. Also, many pilots are commuting and maybe even riding jump seat. This is one of the reasons airlines almost universally accommodate jumpseat crew (from any airline or cargo line) is they can be counted on to pitch in in an emergency.
If he passed away RIP, if he is still sick get better soon
He's all better and even flying again
Didn’t find out the complete ending
one more question...
How do you catch all this ?
You can download an archive for a small fee.
juusojd ah I see . Thanks for your help !
WOW So many Turkish Airlines on the airspace.
The comments seem to have degenerated somewhat.
At least folks are watching the darn vids. . .maybe they'll learn something useful. . Who Knows Tony ?
I thought the callsign would be red nose 😔
MAS_ pilot only uk flights
This was a while ago.
VASAviation - oh
1966 about a month.
if anybody wants a similar channel - you can see ATC is good
Well handled guys!
wtf his head is come off??? how it happens...
You're thinking of decapitated. Incapacitated means he's no longer able to participate in an activity. Meaning he can't fly. He couldn't fly because he was having a seizure. He's is incapacitated because he cant fly because he is having a seizure. Kinda make sense?
ok so makes sense a little more lol
Gah! What happened?!
I had a 1965 Buick model sex unknown
_Don't eat the fish_
rudolph
Race to the bottom ......
Jeff Porter unrelated to this incident. All airline pilots have to pass the same medical requirements regardless of the airline they fly for
A seizure as a Pan-Pan? That's some judgment by someone with no medical training there. Geez.
SuperAhmed1337 agree if it was me I would have declared a full emergency for priority landing with the emergency personnel going in asap getting my captain the care he needed.
Obviously, since he only declared PANPAN, he did not receive priority for landing, right? We just saw in the video that he had to hold for about 30 minutes while other traffic landed.
Now sarcasm aside, the aircraft received priority, it landed as soon as possible with no delay whatsoever and the pilot received medical care as soon as possible.
Did you even watch the full video?
Isnt regularly a PAN-PAN really handles as an emergency?
John Bäckstrand There's mayday for that. Pan-pan if for situations that require urgency but there is no imminent danger to the vessel or to life for the time being.
As someone who had seizures myself (epilepsy) prior to getting on the right meds, and had one on a plane once, they are often not life-threatening, unless other symptoms are present, like very high fever. If they had a medical professional on board, they likely got advice on how urgent the situation was. And seems like they landed as soon as they could. When I seized, there was a nurse in the row behind me who explained to me what happened when I came out of the seizure. After a seizure, you’re fuzzy and post-ictal for a while, until your brain recovers from the electrical storm - kind of like a computer doing a hard reboot. In my case, they didn’t divert (not that they should have - I wasn’t the pilot!) but they did have an ambulance meet the plane at the gate and take me to the hospital for follow-up.
"Patient... if they had a seizure". When will people learn to coordinate nouns and pronouns?
Alexander A. He could have said "he" or "she" but "they" here is universal.
let me guess another drunk pilot
Mark F. Idiot!!!! Name one occurrence of a drunk pilot in the entire history of aviation
www.nytimes.com/1990/10/27/us/prison-for-3-northwest-pilots-who-flew-jet-while-drunk.html
BasePlanes..lol there has been plenty...the NYT had an article on one just 2 days ago...so BoooooM! how bout that hehe :)
Really? I didn't catch that.
Maki...yep i read it
Norwegian is doing some shady things regarding hiring of crews.
Proof?
What, like hiring crew that meet all international requirements and paying them better than most US carriers do? Yup, sounds terribly shady to me.
Yes, because everyone who ever has a seizure has always had them. There is never a first one.
(Dafuq?)
Glideslopes www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2017/07/27/united-airlines-pilots-getting-angrierabout.html