HUGE shoutout to Gilles at Polysoft for sending this over, I'm absolutely in awe of the engineering that went into this! Would you buy a storage module for your Apple Silicon Desktop?
I'm so glad Gilles took on the challenge of replicating those NAND module PCBs! Definitely makes upgrading the storage in these machines WAY easier. Also, he intends to make a version for the M4 Mac mini at some point soon!
I can’t wait for that either because I will have an M4 Mac mini in just a couple days and I got the 512 because I was not willing to pay what Apple charges, I mean over charges for simple storage.
@@Streetysuperduper Technically it can already be upgraded now by replacing NANDs on original module (I have a video about it), though of course a custom new module would be ideal. Not having available modules was more of an issue for the Mac Studio, where a second module is required for 4TB and 8TB configs.
But as they basically copied Apple's design, can they not apply copyright infringement? Hope not, I hate apple tax. Now I need a ssd for my 2020 27" imac. Lol
@@imho4990 They could also simply take a minor haircut on their massive profit margins and spend the extra $4 it would cost (retail... to the end user) to get a 512GB SSD instead of 256. Alternatively, they could not charge $800 for $120 worth of 2TB SSD (Samsung 990 Pro that absolutely creams the Mac Mini's storage by being upwards of thrice as fast.) Again, that's A) retail to consumer pricing. Apple gets massive discounts. B) You're sacrificing the 256 included to get the 2TB rather than getting both with the latter option, etc.
I work with this stuff, and I'm impressed,... at everything they did, the overvoltage protection upgraded, the upgrade ability, the better performance. I'm really impressed.
Gotta love how Apple not only charges 12-16x for storage upgrades but doesn’t even give you the faster performing chips you’d get if you went with the 12-16x cheaper 3rd party drives. It’s psychopathic levels of greed. Then you pile on the self-righteous virtue signaling about how they care about quality and the environment and all that other dishonesty and you’ve gone past psycho behavior into pure evil. At least Microsoft and Google know nobody trusts them and doesn’t try to make a marketing campaign around how you should. They know they’re scumbags and accept it.
Apple could not bother to address the overvoltage issue even though it is known to occur frequently enough and is destroying its customers' devices and data? Solid business move. Representative of today's Apple.
Just shows how Apple charges way too much money for their upgrades. Apple users need to let them know this is unacceptable and lower prices for SSD and Ram upgrades.
I will let Apple know when a Windows/Linux equivalent of the M chips comes to the world, meanwhile I’d rather pay the Apple tax than ever going back to a PC
Wasn’t always the case. They didn’t change the pricing in more than 10 years, while SSD and RAM prices went down. They also do not have the best (fastest) components on the market. This is a ripoff and it is shameful.
@@lesleyhaan116 no it's much worse. It's next the the cpu so trying to remove ram is gonna melt the board and make your thousands of dollars down the drain
@@Master777with69 Ik know they could be different than Apple but they are not they all copy the bad stuff from Apple like Samsung but they have the biggest mouth about Apple
Naa let apple do whatever they want its their product if people are still stupid enough to buy from them, then at least it keeps prices down for android competitors
I’m a macrumors user that used to upgrade his Macs. I remember when Apple used standard sata drives on its Macbooks and I remember the first time installing a Samsung SSD an 850 Evo in there. It was a bolt of adrenaline and speed unlike anything I’d ever seen before. The boot process was much much faster than the original 5400RPM disk. Appps loaded faster. Everything was faster. I never used another spinning hard drive after that. I wish Apple would simply use or add a standard m.2 port for upgrading internal storage.
It's not about hating upgradeability. It's about standing up for the integrity and security of the ecosystem, designed by Apple to put customer protections first, undermined by hacks that workaround ill-perceived shortcomings. The same goes of OCLP on older Macs. It lets you kind of run a partially broken version of Sequoia on older Intel Macs. It requires you to trust a bunch of hacks executing at boot time that get the OS started, and a number of others once loggd inside macOS that make it some of it work. OCLP also disables other important macOS system integrity protections, in order to boot at all. Are you coinfident enough, for example, to do banking on a system where all this unknown code has been loaded into your computer?
After 11 years the SSD on my 2013 MBP failed once. But then it started working again and I'm on borrowed time. But I can confirm that they last a very long time of daily use.
Luke : It would really be a shame if Apple starts integrating the NAND on to the logic board. Apple : Let's start integrating the NAND on to the logic board
@@rawkfist-ih6nk Yes they don't do this for Mac Minis because if someone needs to upgrade storage you can simply plug it into the Thunderbolt port. No need to pay 2000+ USD to Apple or 800+ USD to some hackers who reverse-engineered Apple's SSDs.
@@JohnSmith-op7ls Speed is the same. Not because external drives are sooooper fast but because the internal ones are rather slow by modern standards. ruclips.net/video/JSNKR6JLwg8/видео.html
Ik it’s an ad, but the Anker charger is awesome, my 15 Pro Max doesn’t heat up at all when on it and the model I have (which is a 3-in-1 charger) literally charges everything and comes with a power brick and cable included which is awesome!
@@thatampguy they're in Europe, the true land of the free and they're not infringing patents. In fact, they're simplifying your typical consumer SSD to just be the NAND chips and some electrical protections. There's nothing Apple can really do except bringing the price down.
@ Ah, yes, free speech is only “spewing hate on the internet”. See how much freedom and how many rights you have when you can only say what the government approves of. Read some history and see how that’s worked out in the past.
Unfortunately Polysofts SSDs will only be available for the base M4 version, since the M4 Pro has a completely different physical SSD footprint (they would need to start over reverse engineering). And on M4 Pro Thunderbolt 5 external SSDs will probably do the same thing better for cheaper (without having to open the machine, which only power-users can do on their own).
@@LindonSlaght Don't forget that Apple SoCs are more than just a number of CPU cores! The CPU cores might outperform M1 Max, yes. But the GPU on the M4 pro is almost double the performance of the base M4. If you want to run upcoming Apple AI locally, that's going to make a tangible difference in your day to day (the NPU doesn't do all the processing, it significantly offloads AI tasks to GPU).
@@LindonSlaght Sorry about nerding out there. I hope to be proven wrong, but Apple does take a pretty penny for upgrades, they are going to provide you with enough reasons to feel the need to upgrade (to m4 pro or m5) rather sooner than later.
Apple should add a standard m.2 NVME slot in there. macOS can boot from external storage devices via thunderbolt (which is just itself an externalization of the PCIe bus). So clearly the OS can be boot from a standard NVME drive. So why not allow the user to internally use standard NVME if he or she so pleases?
Of course that's the way but we all know Apple will never do this. But you can always plug any M2 into Thunderbolt ports with inexpensive adapters. The speed will be the same as for internal storage - ruclips.net/video/JSNKR6JLwg8/видео.html
Very nice. Basically my only gripe about any Apple product is the cost of upgrading memory and storage as you've shown in this video it is outrageous. And that's why my household is both Mac & PC.
Man I wish this was available immediately. I would be buying the 8tb kit right now. It’s almost worse that this video came out before they are available for purchase, now I have to check every week until I can purchase it.
My local apple shop offer the upgrade for mac mini m4 to 2 TB at about 250 USD. PS In bangkok thailand. But they didn't use the custom pcb they just change the nand in pbc.
I live in Bangkok. Which shop? One of the actual Apple Stores, or one of the reseller stores? I haven't looked yet to see what they were charging at the Apple Store.
Yepp, Gilles makes magic, I ordered my 8Tb couple of weeks ago too. Likely I was able to do procurement of NANDs and soldering on my own (on Polysoft empty PCBs), but firstly, it wouldn't be much cheaper and we already saved 50%on Apple's stock kit, secondly there's still 10% chance someone, incl. myself, will mess up something and I have no time for that, lastly, I do appreciate hte invested time and energy of Polysoft and I'm happy to found this initiative to show Apple why they are NOT green company, nor customer-friendly... or at least they are profit-hungry before everything else.
The mouse at 1:30 got me to laugh, because it looks like a setup where someone spent too much on the Mac & accessories but forgot the magic mouse is awful.
For me I would still stick with the idea of not having to open the machine and plugging in an external drive to save money, time and risk of damaging my computer, but glad to see this is possible and expect to see lots of second hand mac pros available with way more storage than they were originally purchased with...wonder if people will try to sell higher storage macs as if it came from the factory that way after they upgrade it themself
I’ve been wondering when the aftermarket solutions were going to catch up to Apple Silicon… My money was on OWC, but this is great and I hope it ushers in a new era for the M series Macs!
I'm wondering how long before these guys have slot in replacements for the M4 Mini's. Also the controller is on the SoC for encryption etc. Like when they added the T2 chips to older Intel Macs, it's all just baked in to the SoC now. It would be nice to just be able to throw in generic NVME drives but I get why they don't from a security stand point. Especially given how tiny these machines are and how easy they can be stolen lol.
So odd that the sponsor product is actually sitting on my desk. The Anker MagGo is a well designed product, just wish it has a heavier base or a suction cup for one hand phone detachment.
But the thing you got to realize if it's not meant to happen then if a newer Mac comes out and they stop selling those type of SSDs then only sell the new ones or you can't buy the old ones anymore then you can't upgrade The nice thing is with using a standard m.2 they're always readily available from all different companies
so the M1 Max has 2 slots? I put one in the extra slot and I would not have to worry about operating system installs or my data already on the computer?
Great video! Can you advise if I wanted to pay someone to upgrade the memory of a mac mini to an 8TB drive who is reputable that can provide that service? Thank you
Hi,... Can you do a video for the m4 mac mini using an external hard-drive as the home drive and do a demo of how the computer operates Im thinking of getting a lower storage m4 mac mini and using the external hard drive as the home folder ( to save money) as the external hard drive will have faster read and write speeds than the actual computer itself... Thanks 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Reply
Very, very helpful! Now I might actually upgrade my M1 macbook pro finally. The upgrade cost for mass storage has been the deal breaker for me. Until now.
I’ll be too scared to go through with this until my Mac Studio AppleCare warranty is expired. But I'm tempted to buy an upgrade from PolySoft anyway, just to spite Apple for doing me over - with no RAM and PCI controller chips, surely these modules could be even cheaper than the PC equivalents?
Really looks promising! Now if we could only see a 14" or16" MBP with removable storage from Apple that would obviously open the door for upgradability like we used to do! That sure would make my computer life over the long-term a lot smoother and easier. Buying a $3000 frisbee every few years is insane ,and I refuse to play that game!
can’t wait for Mac Mini Pro SSD replacement. the internal R/W speeds are generally better than TB4/5 SSDs (though maybe there is one or two exceptions)
It's pathetic that we have to be this excited, but WOW! This is SUCH AN AMAZING PROJECT! I wish I had an M4 Mac Mini/Mac Studio to do this in the future lol.
If you want some headache: Over here in Europe, Apple does sell the replacement SSD for the Mac Studio. Well, they just want 383€ for the 512GB SSD Version :D
@@jameshodgetts7541 Yeah, important point. One workaround is to get the serial number of a higher and model to get the bigger SSD. Still overpriced as hell.
Exactly the same here. 24GB RAM and 256 GB SSD is my M4 Mac mini configuration. I would immediately support the project if it works for the Mac mini M4. Before I forget, you are absolutely right, it will be my machine for at least 10 years, too (hopefully!).
In an age where technology moves very fast and even tablets and phones are shipping with that amount of RAM... I think it's a bit optimistic to think you can use it for 10 years. Also apple is notorious for supporting their mobile devices for a very long time but not their Mac's. Maybe that will change with Apple Silicon but I highly doubt it.
OWC should just release ready screw-in kits like they did for the ram with some models. I can get a 8 tb samsung ssd for less than 500 in the 2.5" format, so it shouldn't be more than 1000 for the micro format they use. I'd pay polysoft 800 euros for a 8 tb module for the M4 mini that's even more durable than Apple's for sure, they should do it.
RE: The Ad Spot for the magsafe charger. What's stopping you from rotating your phone without a rotating mechanism on a magsafe charger in the first place? I can rotate my phone around just fine with a static magsafe charger stand I have. Not trying to hate or anything, just seems a tad unnecessary.
It looks more like a cool selling point. Regular MagSafe stands only allow 4 orientations. Honestly wireless charging is just quality of life thing. Wired is more efficient and standardized
I can rotate my phone in more than 4 orientations on a normal magsafe charger stand I have on my desk. The phone rotates - not the charger itself. Just seems kinda like a weak selling point to me.
@@slalomie My belkin magsafe stand allows the phone to stick to it in any orientation. indeed its a bit of a pain to line the phone up completely horizontal or vertical. nothing special involved, the phone just moves without the stand having any mechanical parts at all.
@@davids4610no it was more for repairability. Also Apple doesn’t have way to detect where nands are from especially when they are reverse engineered from the original
I pledged for a 4 TB upgrade kit for my M1 Max Mac Studio, and I'm extremely excited to install this sometime next month. :D By the way, I have a 2018 space grey Mac Mini, and I upgraded the RAM to 32 GB but the soldered-on storage is stuck at a measly 128 GB. :(
@@mmeiselph7234 I'm not aware of capacities over 8 TB. The 4 TB kit (which I bought) consists of two 2 TB modules. The 8 TB kit consists of two 4 TB modules. Third-party 8 TB kits, at a far lower price than Apple's configurations, is pretty awesome.
It is definitely a cool project. I'm torn about whether this would be worth the extra cash vs. an external drive, at least for my music production purposes.
If they are able to offer a 2TB SSD upgrade for the new M4 Mac Mini for less than what Apple charges I would actually consider buying an M4 Mac Mini finally. I was so excited to see the base M4 Mac Mini FINALLY offer 16GB RAM for the base price point, but I was gutted to see they still only offer 256GB SSD for the base model, and then charge an insane price to upgrade it to a more reasonable amount of storage. The last Mac I actually bought was way back in 2010 with the MacBook Pro, and I used that thing for over 10 years because of how repairable it was. We are finally tantilizingly close again to a Mac thats resonably priced and reasonably repairable, we just need a storage upgrade option that doesnt double the cost of the computer
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If dual drives are installed then the writes access can be 100% faster and, depending on how the controller was implemented, reads can be from 0% to 100% faster. From a write perspective, this is handled by interleaving writes across the drives. However this also means that, to use this approach, both drives would have to be the same capacity.
HUGE shoutout to Gilles at Polysoft for sending this over, I'm absolutely in awe of the engineering that went into this! Would you buy a storage module for your Apple Silicon Desktop?
I lost count how many times Louis Rossmann talks about Apple's engineering problems on Macbooks.
I'm looking forward to your announcement of user-upgradeable SSD modules for the Mac mini. That day we will all celebrate together!
Yes
Gilles is the hero of the year 2024 and 2025, success!
Hey Mr. Miani, Can you confirm that Apple Intelligence and Apple Pay work with these after market storage solutions?
I'm so glad Gilles took on the challenge of replicating those NAND module PCBs! Definitely makes upgrading the storage in these machines WAY easier. Also, he intends to make a version for the M4 Mac mini at some point soon!
I can't wait for that! The work put into this project is insanely impressive
I can’t wait for that either because I will have an M4 Mac mini in just a couple days and I got the 512 because I was not willing to pay what Apple charges, I mean over charges for simple storage.
@@Streetysuperduper Technically it can already be upgraded now by replacing NANDs on original module (I have a video about it), though of course a custom new module would be ideal. Not having available modules was more of an issue for the Mac Studio, where a second module is required for 4TB and 8TB configs.
But as they basically copied Apple's design, can they not apply copyright infringement?
Hope not, I hate apple tax.
Now I need a ssd for my 2020 27" imac.
Lol
Dosdude1 jumpscare
Can't wait for Apple to roll out a firmware update that turns the PSU into thermonuclear bomb once you remove the SSD
Goofy
apple can fix this easily. Just lower the price of the SSD upgrade and raise the price of the base basic version. Is that what you want?
@@imho4990 They could also simply take a minor haircut on their massive profit margins and spend the extra $4 it would cost (retail... to the end user) to get a 512GB SSD instead of 256.
Alternatively, they could not charge $800 for $120 worth of 2TB SSD (Samsung 990 Pro that absolutely creams the Mac Mini's storage by being upwards of thrice as fast.)
Again, that's A) retail to consumer pricing. Apple gets massive discounts. B) You're sacrificing the 256 included to get the 2TB rather than getting both with the latter option, etc.
At least making the Mac Studio self-destruct… render it unusable… It will come with the next firmware!
@@imho4990They can fix it by reducing how must RAM and storage costs, full stop.
I work with this stuff, and I'm impressed,... at everything they did, the overvoltage protection upgraded, the upgrade ability, the better performance. I'm really impressed.
🐐🐐
Gotta love how Apple not only charges 12-16x for storage upgrades but doesn’t even give you the faster performing chips you’d get if you went with the 12-16x cheaper 3rd party drives.
It’s psychopathic levels of greed.
Then you pile on the self-righteous virtue signaling about how they care about quality and the environment and all that other dishonesty and you’ve gone past psycho behavior into pure evil.
At least Microsoft and Google know nobody trusts them and doesn’t try to make a marketing campaign around how you should. They know they’re scumbags and accept it.
It's truly remarkable how they pulled this off
Apple could not bother to address the overvoltage issue even though it is known to occur frequently enough and is destroying its customers' devices and data? Solid business move. Representative of today's Apple.
Just shows how Apple charges way too much money for their upgrades. Apple users need to let them know this is unacceptable and lower prices for SSD and Ram upgrades.
I will let Apple know when a Windows/Linux equivalent of the M chips comes to the world, meanwhile I’d rather pay the Apple tax than ever going back to a PC
The snapdragon chips are very solid performers. A lot of the laptops shipped with them also have replaceable storage.
@@Oxygen.O2 ARM chips already exist for windows. There is no excuse for Apple's prices especially with how cheap NAND chips are
Wasn’t always the case. They didn’t change the pricing in more than 10 years, while SSD and RAM prices went down. They also do not have the best (fastest) components on the market. This is a ripoff and it is shameful.
But Apple allows you plug as many terabytes as you wish into USB ports. Way cheaper, doesn't void your warranty.
I'll never take swapping RAM and NVMe SSDs on my laptop and desktop for granted again.
Ram upgrade is still impossible on apple silicon 😢
@@Master777with69
just like most modern pc laptops sadly
@@lesleyhaan116 no it's much worse. It's next the the cpu so trying to remove ram is gonna melt the board and make your thousands of dollars down the drain
@@Master777with69
Ik know they could be different than Apple but they are not they all copy the bad stuff from Apple like Samsung but they have the biggest mouth about Apple
Ikr
Apple needs to be regulated so that consumers have the right to repair and upgrade their equipment.
Apple cant even come to terms with who actually owns that equipment after purchase
Or dont regulate because that ends up just hurting smaller businesses and lower the barrier for other companies to compete
The European Union will do that for you one day for sure.
Apple will solder nands back to the board.
Naa let apple do whatever they want its their product if people are still stupid enough to buy from them, then at least it keeps prices down for android competitors
totally a game changer, hope they go back to allow us to switch out the memory and SSD drives! It would be nice to upgrade everything, cpu, gpu, etc!
MacRumors users must be livid to see this. They hate upgradability and will justify any anti consumer moves
😆
more like a minority of hard core fanboys on MacRumors
Cap
I’m a macrumors user that used to upgrade his Macs. I remember when Apple used standard sata drives on its Macbooks and I remember the first time installing a Samsung SSD an 850 Evo in there. It was a bolt of adrenaline and speed unlike anything I’d ever seen before. The boot process was much much faster than the original 5400RPM disk. Appps loaded faster. Everything was faster. I never used another spinning hard drive after that.
I wish Apple would simply use or add a standard m.2 port for upgrading internal storage.
It's not about hating upgradeability. It's about standing up for the integrity and security of the ecosystem, designed by Apple to put customer protections first, undermined by hacks that workaround ill-perceived shortcomings.
The same goes of OCLP on older Macs. It lets you kind of run a partially broken version of Sequoia on older Intel Macs. It requires you to trust a bunch of hacks executing at boot time that get the OS started, and a number of others once loggd inside macOS that make it some of it work.
OCLP also disables other important macOS system integrity protections, in order to boot at all. Are you coinfident enough, for example, to do banking on a system where all this unknown code has been loaded into your computer?
I wonder when “Part 2: Apple strikes back” will happen 😂
Never
Rollin the update right about ... now.
Yes please.
After 11 years the SSD on my 2013 MBP failed once. But then it started working again and I'm on borrowed time. But I can confirm that they last a very long time of daily use.
Luke : It would really be a shame if Apple starts integrating the NAND on to the logic board.
Apple : Let's start integrating the NAND on to the logic board
That’s what they do on every other product
@@rawkfist-ih6nk Yes they don't do this for Mac Minis because if someone needs to upgrade storage you can simply plug it into the Thunderbolt port. No need to pay 2000+ USD to Apple or 800+ USD to some hackers who reverse-engineered Apple's SSDs.
@@APopovYesh who doesn’t want a slow, clunky external drive when they could have a faster, internal one
@@JohnSmith-op7ls Speed is the same. Not because external drives are sooooper fast but because the internal ones are rather slow by modern standards. ruclips.net/video/JSNKR6JLwg8/видео.html
@ Figures Apple would put garbage SSDs in there, despite charging 10-12x retail rates. Looks like these drives are like PCIe 3 speed lol
Ik it’s an ad, but the Anker charger is awesome, my 15 Pro Max doesn’t heat up at all when on it and the model I have (which is a 3-in-1 charger) literally charges everything and comes with a power brick and cable included which is awesome!
to bad you didn't share this before it went out of Kickstarter... Hopefully they will do one for the M4 Mac Mini too!
I bet they are facing legal hurdles.
@@thatampguy they're in Europe, the true land of the free and they're not infringing patents. In fact, they're simplifying your typical consumer SSD to just be the NAND chips and some electrical protections. There's nothing Apple can really do except bringing the price down.
@@Velai_VaiEurope is free? To what , get out in jail for an “offensive” tweet.
@@JohnSmith-op7ls believe or not, but spewing hate into the internet without facing the consequences for it is not the only measurement of freedom
@ Ah, yes, free speech is only “spewing hate on the internet”. See how much freedom and how many rights you have when you can only say what the government approves of. Read some history and see how that’s worked out in the past.
Upgradability, what a concept!
during the sponsor part at 5:27 you can briefly see a flash of the Miani's face.
Danke!
Need this for the mini, it’ll sell loads
Absolutely
Unfortunately Polysofts SSDs will only be available for the base M4 version, since the M4 Pro has a completely different physical SSD footprint (they would need to start over reverse engineering).
And on M4 Pro Thunderbolt 5 external SSDs will probably do the same thing better for cheaper (without having to open the machine, which only power-users can do on their own).
@@PseudonymC Considering that the base M4 is just as good as an M1 Max, somehow I don't think that'll be a big issue.
@@LindonSlaght Don't forget that Apple SoCs are more than just a number of CPU cores! The CPU cores might outperform M1 Max, yes. But the GPU on the M4 pro is almost double the performance of the base M4. If you want to run upcoming Apple AI locally, that's going to make a tangible difference in your day to day (the NPU doesn't do all the processing, it significantly offloads AI tasks to GPU).
@@LindonSlaght Sorry about nerding out there. I hope to be proven wrong, but Apple does take a pretty penny for upgrades, they are going to provide you with enough reasons to feel the need to upgrade (to m4 pro or m5) rather sooner than later.
Apple should add a standard m.2 NVME slot in there. macOS can boot from external storage devices via thunderbolt (which is just itself an externalization of the PCIe bus). So clearly the OS can be boot from a standard NVME drive. So why not allow the user to internally use standard NVME if he or she so pleases?
Of course that's the way but we all know Apple will never do this.
But you can always plug any M2 into Thunderbolt ports with inexpensive adapters. The speed will be the same as for internal storage - ruclips.net/video/JSNKR6JLwg8/видео.html
Because greed. Apple hates their consumers, they’re just cows to be milked and slaughtered.
@@APopov Before long it will be paid feature in macOS.
I think of the same solution as PS5: Sony's internal SSD + a M.2 slot for those who wanna have even more internal storage.
Who knew the new jailbreak would be hacking storage upgrades. How times have changed
Very nice. Basically my only gripe about any Apple product is the cost of upgrading memory and storage as you've shown in this video it is outrageous. And that's why my household is both Mac & PC.
Man I wish this was available immediately. I would be buying the 8tb kit right now.
It’s almost worse that this video came out before they are available for purchase, now I have to check every week until I can purchase it.
bro that ami sweater goes so hard. luke you're a fashionable fella. love to see it
I love commercials with embedded commercials. It’s like Inception, but with commercials.
My local apple shop offer the upgrade for mac mini m4 to 2 TB at about 250 USD. PS In bangkok thailand. But they didn't use the custom pcb they just change the nand in pbc.
Changing nand module is not that hard
But reverse engineer a pcb is way too difficult
What’s the name of the shop?
I live in Bangkok. Which shop? One of the actual Apple Stores, or one of the reseller stores? I haven't looked yet to see what they were charging at the Apple Store.
Now this is a crossing point from just a RUclipsr to the RUclipsr. Good work !!!
Thanks man. Well done and I now have a way to upgrade my 1TB drive on my M2.
Please keep us updated on how this solution is going! Thank you
This is absolutely fricken massive!
It changes everything.
Yepp, Gilles makes magic, I ordered my 8Tb couple of weeks ago too. Likely I was able to do procurement of NANDs and soldering on my own (on Polysoft empty PCBs), but firstly, it wouldn't be much cheaper and we already saved 50%on Apple's stock kit, secondly there's still 10% chance someone, incl. myself, will mess up something and I have no time for that, lastly, I do appreciate hte invested time and energy of Polysoft and I'm happy to found this initiative to show Apple why they are NOT green company, nor customer-friendly... or at least they are profit-hungry before everything else.
The mouse at 1:30 got me to laugh, because it looks like a setup where someone spent too much on the Mac & accessories but forgot the magic mouse is awful.
If only it was sized for adults and not just children it would be ok but wow it’s small and hand ache inducing. The touch stuff is badass though.
Magic Mouse is a POS !!!
Magic Mouse is awful to some people but some people love it. Learn to respect others
@ people with smaller hands must love it for sure. It would be my only mouse if it was just larger. I wish the had a bigger size option.
I have medium sized hands and I love this mouse.
Really nice work on this vid Luke. Definitely buying this once the M4 Studio becomes available
Holy crap this change everything!! Need the same for the M4 Mac Mini! Incredible work from Polysoft
Yes man. I remember few years back when you took apart the Mac Studio!
Luke, I love your videos... and I appreciate Polysoft's approach!
Thanks Luke, great insight into a major stumbling block with the new Macs.
For me I would still stick with the idea of not having to open the machine and plugging in an external drive to save money, time and risk of damaging my computer, but glad to see this is possible and expect to see lots of second hand mac pros available with way more storage than they were originally purchased with...wonder if people will try to sell higher storage macs as if it came from the factory that way after they upgrade it themself
that was an insane video. I love your passion for the hardware behind apple.
Omg. Buy a fast external thunderbolt drive, run EVERYTHING off it, as fast as or faster than the internal SSD.
Excellent video. Very informative.
I look forward to being launched and in the crowd that they can make it happen.
I’ve been wondering when the aftermarket solutions were going to catch up to Apple Silicon… My money was on OWC, but this is great and I hope it ushers in a new era for the M series Macs!
I'm wondering how long before these guys have slot in replacements for the M4 Mini's. Also the controller is on the SoC for encryption etc. Like when they added the T2 chips to older Intel Macs, it's all just baked in to the SoC now. It would be nice to just be able to throw in generic NVME drives but I get why they don't from a security stand point. Especially given how tiny these machines are and how easy they can be stolen lol.
There's another page / project that made an adapter that allows to use standard NVME drive. And provided literature etc.
Great news!!! they are few on utube doing so. Now I know I can buy a Mac Studio even M1 and upgrading it later! You 're the man!
Can’t wait. Just received my m4 pro Mac mini and want to upgrade the storage from 512gb to maybe 1-2tb.
Let's be happy until Apple takes them down.
This exactly
I love the idea of being able to have a bigger SSD on my new mini m4 Mac at a fair cost.
This is great. I have a 4TB M1 Studio, but had to buy it used and wait and wait to find a deal on it.
For how much did you get it? With which specs? Thanks!
@@bastienchilloux $2500. It 4TB with 64 GB RAM, so the $3,600 config.
Awesome video dude. I’d still be nervous with those steps about what order things go where… but might give it a try.
Can Apple brick your Macs at a later date if the purchase config does not match physical config?
8:03 "Millimeters at a time" - sou sure about your order of magnitude? pretty sure it's at least micrometers.
Had the same thought.
Hey. Metric is not easy when you’re not born in to it, i presume.
Was about to comment on it 👍😊
Now Polysoft just needs to do the same for the M4 Mac Mini base model and the M4 MacBook Pro base model. 🤞🤞
Many thanks! Can you do the same video for Mac Mini M4 please ?
Truly amazing bit of engineering. 👌
If I don't have a second Mac computer available? How to restore the Mac system after installing the 8TB memory?
So odd that the sponsor product is actually sitting on my desk. The Anker MagGo is a well designed product, just wish it has a heavier base or a suction cup for one hand phone detachment.
0:37 Insane - 8TB upgrade kit for $2800😂
fucking insane when an 8TB HDD is $200 😂😂😂
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I have a feeling OWC wouldn't be far behind but someday seeing SeaGate would be fun as they've for Microsoft.
But the thing you got to realize if it's not meant to happen then if a newer Mac comes out and they stop selling those type of SSDs then only sell the new ones or you can't buy the old ones anymore then you can't upgrade The nice thing is with using a standard m.2 they're always readily available from all different companies
so the M1 Max has 2 slots? I put one in the extra slot and I would not have to worry about operating system installs or my data already on the computer?
Great video! Can you advise if I wanted to pay someone to upgrade the memory of a mac mini to an 8TB drive who is reputable that can provide that service? Thank you
Hi,... Can you do a video for the m4 mac mini using an external hard-drive as the home drive and do a demo of how the computer operates
Im thinking of getting a lower storage m4 mac mini and using the external hard drive as the home folder ( to save money) as the external hard drive will have faster read and write speeds than the actual computer itself...
Thanks
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Very, very helpful! Now I might actually upgrade my M1 macbook pro finally. The upgrade cost for mass storage has been the deal breaker for me. Until now.
I’ll be too scared to go through with this until my Mac Studio AppleCare warranty is expired. But I'm tempted to buy an upgrade from PolySoft anyway, just to spite Apple for doing me over - with no RAM and PCI controller chips, surely these modules could be even cheaper than the PC equivalents?
Really looks promising! Now if we could only see a 14" or16" MBP with removable storage from Apple that would obviously open the door for upgradability like we used to do! That sure would make my computer life over the long-term a lot smoother and easier. Buying a $3000 frisbee every few years is insane ,and I refuse to play that game!
It would be cool to see a Mac that had both the standard storage setup and an NVMe slot for M.2 peripherals.
can’t wait for Mac Mini Pro SSD replacement. the internal R/W speeds are generally better than TB4/5 SSDs (though maybe there is one or two exceptions)
Waiting for mine to arrive - in Jan now I think. Can't wait!
It's pathetic that we have to be this excited, but WOW! This is SUCH AN AMAZING PROJECT! I wish I had an M4 Mac Mini/Mac Studio to do this in the future lol.
If you want some headache: Over here in Europe, Apple does sell the replacement SSD for the Mac Studio. Well, they just want 383€ for the 512GB SSD Version :D
You can only buy the part which came with your mac studio though. you cannot buy an upgrade.
@@jameshodgetts7541 Yeah, important point. One workaround is to get the serial number of a higher and model to get the bigger SSD. Still overpriced as hell.
Waiting the SSD upgrade for the M4 Mac mini. I just got 256gb bc of these guys. With 24GB of RAM, it will be my side machine for at least 10 years.
Exactly the same here. 24GB RAM and 256 GB SSD is my M4 Mac mini configuration. I would immediately support the project if it works for the Mac mini M4. Before I forget, you are absolutely right, it will be my machine for at least 10 years, too (hopefully!).
In an age where technology moves very fast and even tablets and phones are shipping with that amount of RAM... I think it's a bit optimistic to think you can use it for 10 years. Also apple is notorious for supporting their mobile devices for a very long time but not their Mac's. Maybe that will change with Apple Silicon but I highly doubt it.
Nice one Polysoft!
OWC should just release ready screw-in kits like they did for the ram with some models. I can get a 8 tb samsung ssd for less than 500 in the 2.5" format, so it shouldn't be more than 1000 for the micro format they use. I'd pay polysoft 800 euros for a 8 tb module for the M4 mini that's even more durable than Apple's for sure, they should do it.
RE: The Ad Spot for the magsafe charger. What's stopping you from rotating your phone without a rotating mechanism on a magsafe charger in the first place? I can rotate my phone around just fine with a static magsafe charger stand I have.
Not trying to hate or anything, just seems a tad unnecessary.
It looks more like a cool selling point. Regular MagSafe stands only allow 4 orientations. Honestly wireless charging is just quality of life thing. Wired is more efficient and standardized
I can rotate my phone in more than 4 orientations on a normal magsafe charger stand I have on my desk. The phone rotates - not the charger itself. Just seems kinda like a weak selling point to me.
@@slalomie My belkin magsafe stand allows the phone to stick to it in any orientation. indeed its a bit of a pain to line the phone up completely horizontal or vertical. nothing special involved, the phone just moves without the stand having any mechanical parts at all.
How long until apple figures a way to disable these modules?
forever
@@adredy Apple didn't switch to socketed SSD's for the user, they switched to speed assembly of non standard configs.
@@davids4610no it was more for repairability. Also Apple doesn’t have way to detect where nands are from especially when they are reverse engineered from the original
@@davids4610 I'm sorry, socketed SSD... is?
Socketed SSD's what?
@@tim3172 oh please, you know what I mean. soldered or socketed.
Can anyone point me toward where i could by memory chips compatible to to solder to the PCB's?
I pledged for a 4 TB upgrade kit for my M1 Max Mac Studio, and I'm extremely excited to install this sometime next month. :D
By the way, I have a 2018 space grey Mac Mini, and I upgraded the RAM to 32 GB but the soldered-on storage is stuck at a measly 128 GB. :(
So they plan on having capacities other than 8TB? I will certainly get the 4TB if that is an option.
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I'm not aware of capacities over 8 TB.
The 4 TB kit (which I bought) consists of two 2 TB modules. The 8 TB kit consists of two 4 TB modules.
Third-party 8 TB kits, at a far lower price than Apple's configurations, is pretty awesome.
That is amazing. I think we just hit the jackpot.
Great video. I'm still more inclined to just go with an external until this becomes really well-established.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you Polysoft for all your hard work.
Looking forward to a 2tb upgrade for the M4 mini.
Thunderbolt 5 with external will also be much more affordable for those newer M4 pro systems.
nice video thx. handy to get the inside track on how these work
FINALLY! The market for used Mac Studio and hopefully Mac Mini M4 in the future has started and all previous used Mac Mini are not worth it anymore
I’ve been waiting for you to make a video like this for ages….
It is definitely a cool project. I'm torn about whether this would be worth the extra cash vs. an external drive, at least for my music production purposes.
It’s always cheaper to do external. But many people would prefer internal if they had that option.
If they are able to offer a 2TB SSD upgrade for the new M4 Mac Mini for less than what Apple charges I would actually consider buying an M4 Mac Mini finally. I was so excited to see the base M4 Mac Mini FINALLY offer 16GB RAM for the base price point, but I was gutted to see they still only offer 256GB SSD for the base model, and then charge an insane price to upgrade it to a more reasonable amount of storage. The last Mac I actually bought was way back in 2010 with the MacBook Pro, and I used that thing for over 10 years because of how repairable it was. We are finally tantilizingly close again to a Mac thats resonably priced and reasonably repairable, we just need a storage upgrade option that doesnt double the cost of the computer
“Italian accent” TEN PITA BITES!
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I just but a thunderbolt acasis enclosure and an 8tb WD nvme in black friday sale, it cost £600 but everything now on a lightening fast drive.
These upgrade is amazing! Also could I get a link to Mac Studio wallpaper?
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What about Mac Mini M4? Are they compatible with Mac Studio SSD?
Hopefully they'll come out with one for the Mac Mini.
will be soon for m4 mini
Can you just add 1 as a second ssd and leave the apple factory one in there as the startup drive?
If dual drives are installed then the writes access can be 100% faster and, depending on how the controller was implemented, reads can be from 0% to 100% faster. From a write perspective, this is handled by interleaving writes across the drives. However this also means that, to use this approach, both drives would have to be the same capacity.
Thats great news for the Mac Community !
iBoff are also recresting those modules
I need to change my MBP 13" 2020 intel A2251 battery, what is the best option?
this could help me acheve a 10+ tb mac mini. I currently run samsung 870evo ssds in enclosures to aid my storage hunger (stock is 256gb on my mac)