She actually studied French, German and Latin at school and, as you say, she's spot on re "Boot". It was also the way I was taught to pronounce it when I learned German years ago. Fry is totally wrong.
Submarines very much do have curtains. Doors are noisy - on a submarine noisy will get you detected. Check out Jive Turkey's wonderful service anecdotes on his Cold Waters streams on utube. Cold War submariner (sonarman) of over 20 years service. Learned loads from his streams.
@@vipertwenty249 curtains instead of doors? i call bullshit - no offence, but arent there bulkeyes/chotts to seperate damaged/flooded areas from the rest of the submarine? Or are there special curtains that are waterproof and tear-resistant? ^^
@@rumpelpumpel7687 You clearly misunderstand severely. Bulkheads and watertight doors are part and parcel of submarine design - and extremely essential. Doors on officers cabins are often present in peacetime and in situations where noise is not important - though officers do run some risk of mischievous crew members stealing said door and hiding it somewhere on the submarine - a well known prank. In time of war and other instances even in peacetime where the submarine absolutely MUST not be detected, it is common for the doors to be removed and replaced with curtains to remove the danger of a door accidentally being slammed - sound carries many miles underwater! Crew bunks are usually closed off with curtains too as standard.
In the broader answer to the differences between Ship and Boats is twofold 1. Ships have multiple decks 2. Ships when the turn, lean outwards. Boats lean inwards, which is why a Submarine is a Boat
@@stephencresswell4760 I believe the submarine/boat thing might potentially be a historical hangover from times submarines only had one deck and were, to some extent, hoisted aboard surface ships for travel. Regardless of this, the determining factor of if a surfaced vessel leans in, or out is if the center of gravity is above, or below the freeboard (The majority of the mass moves outwards, so if most of the mass is above the freeboard the top moves out and vice versa). The vast majority of modern military subs (not all) have quite high free boards and so they lean in when turning. Some of the missile submarines and some of the Australian military subs lean out. Most of the exploration subs turn out.
@@JustinShaedo I know this is a late response, but my Korean War Veteran (US Navy) grandfather told me that they were boats because of the German term for submarine, "unterseeboot", or U-boat for short
Fun fact: Before some unknown genius came up with the skull-and-crossbones motif, pirates in the Caribbean flew a plain red flag. In the polyglot West Indies, this was known in French as La Jolie Rouge. This was Anglicised as the Jolly Roger.
This just isn't true. We're not sure where the term Jolly Roger comes from, but it was popularized by a book contemporary to the end of the Golden Age of Piracy that claimed that both Bartholomew Roberts and Francis Spriggs called their flags that, both of whom had white emblems on black backgrounds (albeit different -- Roberts' depicted him and Death holding an hourglass, and Spriggs' had Death stabbing a heart with a spear, a design used by several other pirates). It is true that in the early days of piracy they used plain red flags, but also plain black flags as well -- the red flag represented death and showed that the pirates intended to kill everyone on the other ship, where the black flag represented fear and showed that the pirates would spare anyone who surrendered.
I've always wondered if the skull and crossbones came from vampire lore. It was believed they turned back to a corpse/skeleton during the daytime and you were supposed to decapitate them, break their legs, and cross the bones under their skull as an edifice of the cross.
@@ciangrant3042 also frequently referenced in "scenes you'd like to see" on "Mock the Week". Which I believe is also available on Dave. Very self referential.
“A boat is a submarine... a submarine goes underwater.” Yes, but the REAL difference isn’t that the submarine goes underwater, but that it comes up again!
Jo is on brand (pardon the pun) with her pronunciation, actually sounded really German, when she said Boot. Without the usual wanna-be-funny-attitude so many comedians employ when they say or read a German word and just scream it, without any regard for the actual word and its containing letters.
@@mdtdbe interesting, didn't know that. Did a quick search and you're probably right: "While at Tunbridge Wells Grammar School her favourite subjects were languages studying French, German and Latin and she hated the sciences especially physics" (from www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml)
What is that man's name? He's always a joy on the show but I never watch full episodes so I've managed to miss it every time. Lazy googling hasn't helped. He's delightful
@@swunt10 LOL how can you do an "overdone silly german accent" when speaking actual German? Of course she is right. At least for Hochdeutsch. I suppose in Germany there are also dialetcs whose speakers have "short beaks" (in my country we say this about people from Ostrava, because they shorten every long phoneme while speaking) and they may say it similar to English "boat", but that is not a standard pronunciation.
Historically specking, a ship was a vessel with more than three masts and nine yards. Or, alternatively, you could use the metric of a boat can be put on a ship, so as to include smaller boats like brigantines and even sloops. The Americans invented that system because in the War of 1812 they wanted to pretend they had a similar number of ships to the British. The more you know.
in the german navy a ship was defined as having a captain and a 1st officer (so basically two people in power) and a boat had a captain (even if just acting captain) and only a first officer of the watch (so just the captain had power). but then a year or two ago the female minister of defense said the corvettes are now ships too and fuck traditions and naming standards.
In reality, a ship heels and a boat rolls. For you landlubbers out there, that means when a ship turns, it leans outward from the center of the turning radius. When a boat turns, it leans inward along the turn radius.
From what I recall of the documentary of the CIA grab a sub mission, it was nearly scuppered when a distress signal went out from a nearby British ship, where a crew member was having chest pains. So the CIA crew went to his aid, and it turned out he was suffering Costochondritis, and the reason I remember this is because I suffer with recurring Costochondritis every now and then.
I worked on ships doing work on the ocean floor with remote operated uboats. And we used moonpools to get the uboats in and out of the ship. Anyway, the first thing a new trainee have to do is fill up the moonpool with water. We time how long it takes before they figure out what they are actually doing. The reccord is 4 hours.
The navy taught me that boats lean inwards when they turn hard, and a ship will lean outwards. Submarines use the water to bank against as they turn underwater (i.e. in their operating environment) and lean inwards rather like an aeroplane.
Navy Torpedo Boats are boats... and they aren't submarines. They're also the reason Destroyers exist and why they're called "Destroyers". Back in the day, when Torpedo Boats first came into existence, navies around the world suddenly needed a fast maneuverable ship that could take on these tiny boats with the capacity to sink a Battleship. So, the Torpedo Boat Destroyer was invented. Eventually, they dropped the first two words and simply called it a Destroyer.
Yes torpedo gun boats like the ones the cockleshell heroes used very fast speed boats that had 2 torpedo tubes at the front but they were very unpredictable but yes a boat has 1 deck or level a ship has more than 1 deck or level that's the difference.
@@rikkifurey5670 -- No. Submarines have multiple levels... and we still call them boats. A boat is whatever the navy decides to call a boat, and a ship is whatever they feel like calling a ship. There's no official policy or rule regarding what they decide to call a specific vessel.
@@wargey3431 -- I think perhaps someone was having some fun with you. Again, a submarine would be an outlier to that logic as would every small sailboat in existence (while making the same turn, sailboats can lean either inward or outward depending on the tack). Furthermore, small powerboats will also lean outward if they're going slow enough... it's only turns above a certain speed that causes powerboats to lean inwards.
David Prowse got the nickname Darth Farmer on set, they only used him for standing long shots because he was tall, he was replaced by a stunt guy for all the action and fighting scenes, and of course he was dubbed, plus he wasn’t invited to most interviews, grand openings or events, by all accounts the poor bloke was treated as a walking prop. I felt kinda sorry for him.
Jonathan Reyes I’m not sure about that but there was/is a lot of bitterness between him and George Lucas (something to do with not following instructions on keeping movie pre-release secrets) and he certainly ain’t rich, so could be.
Jonathan Reyes I believe that he was the only one of the main cast who signed a 3-film contract for a flat fee rather than a share of royalties, so he made almost nothing while everyone else made a mint.
James Earl Jones is Darth Vader. The suit and the voice defined that character, so David Prowse was basically an animator who could have been any tall bloke.
The Royal Navy had boats and ships before any submarines were being used by the Royal Navy. A traditional answer was 'boats could be carried on a ship, but a ship couldn't be carried on a boat.' However, I never heard a clear answer on what the difference was.
in the german navy a ship was defined as having a captain and a 1st officer (so basically two people in power) and a boat had a captain (even if just acting captain) and only a first officer of the watch (so just the captain had power). but then a year or two ago the female minister of defense said the corvettes are now ships too and fuck traditions and naming standards and so the german navy now doesn't have a traditional naming standard just as the english speaking world doesn't have one either.
It never was simple - one of the smaller Viking ships could easily be carried on a more modern ship. I get the feeling that originally the difference was to do with whether it was intended as an open sea vessel or an inland waters vessel, regardless of whether it carried sail or not. Thus a galley would be a ship, and a launch under sail (despite it being possible to cross substantial tracts of ocean in it, as Captain Bligh demonstrated) is nevertheless a boat, because crossing oceans was not its original intended purpose.
Some would define "ship" as a large vessel that operates on the surface of the sea. Thus, submarines are "boats". But there is another class of large vessels that is also traditionally referred to as boats: lake freighters. These enormous bulk cargo freighters operate exclusively on the Great Lakes of North America, and traditionally are referred to as "boats" because they never touch seawater.
Among sailing vessels, the distinction between ships and boats is that a ship is a square-rigged craft with at least three masts, and a boat isn't. With regard to motorized craft, a ship is a large vessel intended for oceangoing or at least deep-water transport, and a boat is anything else.
I agree with the lady in blue. I spent 20 years in the Navy. A ship is larger than a certain tonnage and is commanded by a capitain with officers and crew on board. A boat is a small craft crewed normally by non-comssioned officers and is attached to a ship. A boat always belong to a Unit, and a ship is normally a Unit onto itself. A Submarine that is crewed by a captain and officers and crew might qualify as a boat in the British Navy, but certainly not in the Canadian Navy. Officers would have a coniption if you call their ship a boat.
I think this might be a left over legacy from when submarines were actually boats ( they were small and they mostly travelled on the surface) and we just haven't changed Your trying to put logic into our navy which calls their ports HMS (her majesty's ship) So if a piece of land can be called a ship I don't see why a sub can't be called a boat
Klaxon on the Popoffka going in circles when firing the guns - they didn't turn haplessly in circles when firing a main gun, the turntables the guns were mounted to were the issue. The ships themselves were almost impossible to steer by rudder, though could turn in the spot by engine.
I’ve read a book regarding the nuclear submarine that was partially raised. It was a Golf class submarine and there is evidence that it was destroyed from within when a group of rogue officers commandeered the submarine at intended to launch a nuke at Pearl Harbor. I believe the book was titled Red Rogue One.
The ship that brought up the parts of the Russian submarine, was built by ultra weirdo Howard Hughes, for the CIA. It's moth-balled I believe, but it was called the Hughes Glomar Explorer
The interesting thing about ships and boats is that there is now a scientifically accepted definition for the difference between a boat and a ship. When turning, a boat will lean INTO the turn, where a ship will lean OUT OF the turn. This has caused quite a lot of consternation within shipping/boating circles because, although in general, larger vessels lean out, not all of them do. But this definition seems to be the most justifiable differentiator.
Can someone please add that Project Azorian was the genesis of the Glomar Response?! It was when the phrase “we can neither confirm nor deny” was coined!
I have rarely been so annoyed by Stephen Fry as I was during the first clip. He was wrong multiple times and even smug about it. If that was the only snippet you had seen from him you wouldn't believe that he can be so witty, charming, and funny.
As Alan said, he has a huge mind, but that means it has a blind spot. Sometimes he holds firmly to wrong ideas, such as when he insisted that marsupials aren't mammals, and because he's so beloved and generally knowledgeable, few are willing to really challenge him.
@@Myzelfa Very true. And it's not exactly helping that this is a video from the official QI account with material from a few years ago and there is no additional info or caption that clears things up.
No idea how they look now, but assuming Das Boot was historically accurate there are various curtains to be seen. Obviously not window curtains, but curtains to close off the bunks the crew (in particular the officers) were sleeping in. Still curtains though.
Any vessel is called a boat based on how it lists when it turns. Ships list outward away from the direction they turn. I.e. Ship turns left and lists right. Boats list in the same direction as they turn or "lean in" to the turn. i.e. boat turns left and lists left.
Richard Hopkins You can look at his career in wikipedia, and its quite detailed. To sum it up: theatre (both creating and performing), writing, journalism, charitible work, LGBT+ rights, radio, voice acting, documentaries, films (both acting and creating), quite a few audiobooks, and more that I probably missed. And you might not like his comedy, but a lot of people do. Comedy’s subjective after all
I heard when referring to all boats and ships. Not necessarily in the Navy, but a boat can fit on a ship but a ship cannot fit on a boat. I don't know where I heard that from and I'm sure there's a million ways you could logically pick holes in that theory, but that was the theory that stuck in my mind.
A boat is any vessel that can be placed upon a ship, with the exception of submarines. Now, with that in mind, if you put a ship on a propelled type dry dock and transport it back to port for repairs; does that ship now become a boat?
To paraphrase a line from Blazing Saddles: Rules? We don't need no stinking rules. (Thie line from the movie was: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.)
As a native German speaker I have to side with Jo on the pronunciation of "das Boot". Stephen is quite wrong, which is a bit of a shock, and it's even worse that he keep insisting he's right.
Surprised on one in the comments pointed out that "boats" are sub-nautical (according to the show) and then the next clip says "what is wrong with this boat." But the answer wasn't, "it doesn't go under water."
That round ship design would be really good for a rocket launching ship in the Black Sea. I will need a keel if you want to land aircraft on it, or maybe multiple deployable keels for increased stability under certain conditions.
@@karlmortoniv2951 The problem with the two Novgorod ships that were built was, they were so slow, because they had to push so much water aside, due to having no pointed shape like all other boats and ships.
Is it weird that this was not foreseen before they built them? Or was it a different era where those in a position to decide things were lockstep obeyed without question? I’m used to the idea of engineers and architects and others who build things making models. Is that a relatively recent way of developing ideas and designs?
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“I fail to agree” is amazing.
"I reject your reality and gladly insert my own"
-Adam Savage (mythbusters)
Jo is 100% right about how to pronounce German "boot".
She actually studied French, German and Latin at school and, as you say, she's spot on re "Boot". It was also the way I was taught to pronounce it when I learned German years ago. Fry is totally wrong.
@@ballantynemoyes8019 I'm just German, and speak German. 🤷♂️
Well, depends on the accent. Shout out to Bavaria!
@@ColeKreviazuk they don't count
Does that dock points from Steven then?
“A submarine goes underwater” Alan always dispenses the best facts
Keaton Hare Well, he has a degree in marine engineering
Well to be fair, so do ships if the enemy forces have anything to say in the matter.
@@ROL4NDpkmnguide citation needed......
@@ArminGrewe he says it himself around the 4 minute mark
@@garyravinsky3357 so? He says a lot during these shows.......
A submarine doesn't have curtains. Jo was right, give her the points.
On the submarine, my rack where I slept had curtains.
Submarines very much do have curtains. Doors are noisy - on a submarine noisy will get you detected. Check out Jive Turkey's wonderful service anecdotes on his Cold Waters streams on utube. Cold War submariner (sonarman) of over 20 years service. Learned loads from his streams.
@@vipertwenty249 curtains instead of doors? i call bullshit - no offence, but arent there bulkeyes/chotts to seperate damaged/flooded areas from the rest of the submarine? Or are there special curtains that are waterproof and tear-resistant? ^^
@@rumpelpumpel7687 You clearly misunderstand severely. Bulkheads and watertight doors are part and parcel of submarine design - and extremely essential. Doors on officers cabins are often present in peacetime and in situations where noise is not important - though officers do run some risk of mischievous crew members stealing said door and hiding it somewhere on the submarine - a well known prank. In time of war and other instances even in peacetime where the submarine absolutely MUST not be detected, it is common for the doors to be removed and replaced with curtains to remove the danger of a door accidentally being slammed - sound carries many miles underwater! Crew bunks are usually closed off with curtains too as standard.
@@vipertwenty249 aaah alright. thx for the explanation. tbh i never bothered to give submarines a second thought.
That Popov boat sounds like something Jeremy Clarkson would build "I have 36 cannons offering me 360 degree firing ability!"
sometimes my genius is… almost frightening
On that bombshell... *spins uncontrollably*
Ambitious but rubbish
The pirate voice and "mr darth to you"-segment is GOLD, I laught out loud every time I see it. I'm gonna go back and watch it again now!
Bill Bailey did a whole skit on David Prowse as Darth's real voice.
Alan's intonation on "A submarine goes underwater" just sent me for a good half hour, and has done many times before.
In the broader answer to the differences between Ship and Boats is twofold
1. Ships have multiple decks
2. Ships when the turn, lean outwards. Boats lean inwards, which is why a Submarine is a Boat
Thanks, that's what my Australian Navy Officer friend tells me too. This means that there are purely surface boats though, yes?
Submarines have multiple decks.
They don’t lean inwards (when surfaced) when they turn.
@@stephencresswell4760 I believe the submarine/boat thing might potentially be a historical hangover from times submarines only had one deck and were, to some extent, hoisted aboard surface ships for travel. Regardless of this, the determining factor of if a surfaced vessel leans in, or out is if the center of gravity is above, or below the freeboard (The majority of the mass moves outwards, so if most of the mass is above the freeboard the top moves out and vice versa). The vast majority of modern military subs (not all) have quite high free boards and so they lean in when turning. Some of the missile submarines and some of the Australian military subs lean out. Most of the exploration subs turn out.
@@JustinShaedo I know this is a late response, but my Korean War Veteran (US Navy) grandfather told me that they were boats because of the German term for submarine, "unterseeboot", or U-boat for short
I draw the line at 24m length since that's when you need to be licenced.
Fun fact: Before some unknown genius came up with the skull-and-crossbones motif, pirates in the Caribbean flew a plain red flag. In the polyglot West Indies, this was known in French as La Jolie Rouge. This was Anglicised as the Jolly Roger.
This just isn't true. We're not sure where the term Jolly Roger comes from, but it was popularized by a book contemporary to the end of the Golden Age of Piracy that claimed that both Bartholomew Roberts and Francis Spriggs called their flags that, both of whom had white emblems on black backgrounds (albeit different -- Roberts' depicted him and Death holding an hourglass, and Spriggs' had Death stabbing a heart with a spear, a design used by several other pirates). It is true that in the early days of piracy they used plain red flags, but also plain black flags as well -- the red flag represented death and showed that the pirates intended to kill everyone on the other ship, where the black flag represented fear and showed that the pirates would spare anyone who surrendered.
Red flags meant no quarter given or asked
I've always wondered if the skull and crossbones came from vampire lore. It was believed they turned back to a corpse/skeleton during the daytime and you were supposed to decapitate them, break their legs, and cross the bones under their skull as an edifice of the cross.
Rhys Darby getting a brilliant idea for a show watching Fry talk about Pirates
Our Flag Means Death lol
I had that same thought!
This was on Dave on Tuesday. New facts!
Where can I watch Dave?, there's like 5 episodes on RUclips
@@TimTams_64 Dave is a tv channel, notorious for showing reruns of BBC and UKTV comedy shows like QI
@@ciangrant3042 also frequently referenced in "scenes you'd like to see" on "Mock the Week". Which I believe is also available on Dave. Very self referential.
“A boat is a submarine... a submarine goes underwater.”
Yes, but the REAL difference isn’t that the submarine goes underwater, but that it comes up again!
sometimes !
Not... always. See the final segment of the video for one example.
actually Fry is wrong here, the German word "Boot" isn't pronounced "boat", but rather how the woman said it.
True
Jo Brand is one smart cookie.
Indeed. I came here to say this.
yep, Jo speaks a bit of German whereas Stephen loves claiming authority about stuff he has only very little knowledge of.
Boot in german and boat in english sound the same to my german speaking ears.
Jo is on brand (pardon the pun) with her pronunciation, actually sounded really German, when she said Boot.
Without the usual wanna-be-funny-attitude so many comedians employ when they say or read a German word and just scream it, without any regard for the actual word and its containing letters.
Exactly! Kudos, Jo - sorry, Stephen!
If memory serves, Jo Brand is, if not completely fluent, at least proficient in German. Fry is not often wrong, but this time he was.
You mean like "Vere are your paypers!"? 😁
@@mdtdbe interesting, didn't know that. Did a quick search and you're probably right: "While at Tunbridge Wells Grammar School her favourite subjects were languages studying French, German and Latin and she hated the sciences especially physics" (from www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml)
she sounded overdone in reality if you don't put on a silly german accent then Boot in german and boat in english sound nearly the same.
Lost it when he said I am your father and your brother as well.
What is that man's name? He's always a joy on the show but I never watch full episodes so I've managed to miss it every time. Lazy googling hasn't helped. He's delightful
Maegen Jason Manford
Dave prowse?
I clicked because I thought the famous "something to do with wind" clip was going to be included.
even though i’ve seen it atleast 30 times, i was sad it wasn’t here :(
It's in the "Winding up Sandi" compilation
@Garry Q thank you!
Thanks Elves for keeping this awesome channel alive!
Dear Stephen, Jo is right.
As a german native speaker i can asure you that Joe pronounced Boot correctly
if you do it in an overdone silly german accent. otherwise in normal german Boot is a short word like in english.
@@swunt10 LOL how can you do an "overdone silly german accent" when speaking actual German? Of course she is right. At least for Hochdeutsch.
I suppose in Germany there are also dialetcs whose speakers have "short beaks" (in my country we say this about people from Ostrava, because they shorten every long phoneme while speaking) and they may say it similar to English "boat", but that is not a standard pronunciation.
@@swunt10 Where the hell did you get that from?
@@Leon_der_Luftige I'm german
Stephen is poking fun at her accent (Newcastle).
Historically specking, a ship was a vessel with more than three masts and nine yards. Or, alternatively, you could use the metric of a boat can be put on a ship, so as to include smaller boats like brigantines and even sloops. The Americans invented that system because in the War of 1812 they wanted to pretend they had a similar number of ships to the British. The more you know.
in the german navy a ship was defined as having a captain and a 1st officer (so basically two people in power) and a boat had a captain (even if just acting captain) and only a first officer of the watch (so just the captain had power). but then a year or two ago the female minister of defense said the corvettes are now ships too and fuck traditions and naming standards.
A ship, in terms of masts and sails, has three or more masts and is square rigged on all of them. Nine yards are certainly not necessary.
@@nickburningham5143 When I was working on tallships that was the metric we all used.
@@apparition9146 And which "tallships" have you worked on?
In reality, a ship heels and a boat rolls. For you landlubbers out there, that means when a ship turns, it leans outward from the center of the turning radius. When a boat turns, it leans inward along the turn radius.
RIP Cal Wilson. A very funny comedian.
There is such a good feeling when you know the answer to a question
Rhys Darby taking notes about how to introduce ahistorical pirate accents
Love QI
God, I miss Joe Brand. She hasn't been a guest for ages, has she?
Claudia is great, Happy to see Bill and Alan together on QI again.
From what I recall of the documentary of the CIA grab a sub mission, it was nearly scuppered when a distress signal went out from a nearby British ship, where a crew member was having chest pains. So the CIA crew went to his aid, and it turned out he was suffering Costochondritis, and the reason I remember this is because I suffer with recurring Costochondritis every now and then.
Joe is right about the pron of "das Boot".
Stephen is joking about her (Jo, not Joe) Newcastle accent.
I worked on ships doing work on the ocean floor with remote operated uboats. And we used moonpools to get the uboats in and out of the ship. Anyway, the first thing a new trainee have to do is fill up the moonpool with water. We time how long it takes before they figure out what they are actually doing. The reccord is 4 hours.
Some funny ship, right there.
There is a great video detailing the Azorian retrieval attempt and everything that went into it on Prime. Very interesting and well made.
There’s an old saying to tell the difference between a boat and a ship - “a ship can ship boats, but a boat can’t ship ships!”
I'm disappointed that we didn't do the something to do with the wind bit
Probably because it is so glorious it deserves it's own separate episode :)
So am I, although they’ll probably do a Vol. 2 as they have with many of the other Best Ofs
I've seen it twice on different QI mixes, you're just looking in the wrong place.
There’s a part 2 now that I think has it
Depends on the Navy. US Navy defines any vessel 26 feet or longer as a ship, except subs, which are all boats.
Love that the gentlemen pirate is there for the pirate questions!
The navy taught me that boats lean inwards when they turn hard, and a ship will lean outwards. Submarines use the water to bank against as they turn underwater (i.e. in their operating environment) and lean inwards rather like an aeroplane.
West-country darth vader is one of my favorite clips to this day 😂😂😂
Navy Torpedo Boats are boats... and they aren't submarines. They're also the reason Destroyers exist and why they're called "Destroyers". Back in the day, when Torpedo Boats first came into existence, navies around the world suddenly needed a fast maneuverable ship that could take on these tiny boats with the capacity to sink a Battleship. So, the Torpedo Boat Destroyer was invented. Eventually, they dropped the first two words and simply called it a Destroyer.
MTB's.
Yes torpedo gun boats like the ones the cockleshell heroes used very fast speed boats that had 2 torpedo tubes at the front but they were very unpredictable but yes a boat has 1 deck or level a ship has more than 1 deck or level that's the difference.
@@rikkifurey5670 -- No. Submarines have multiple levels... and we still call them boats. A boat is whatever the navy decides to call a boat, and a ship is whatever they feel like calling a ship. There's no official policy or rule regarding what they decide to call a specific vessel.
The Bonesaw .. a boat leans inward when it turns a ship leans outward is what I was told
@@wargey3431 -- I think perhaps someone was having some fun with you. Again, a submarine would be an outlier to that logic as would every small sailboat in existence (while making the same turn, sailboats can lean either inward or outward depending on the tack). Furthermore, small powerboats will also lean outward if they're going slow enough... it's only turns above a certain speed that causes powerboats to lean inwards.
David Prowse got the nickname Darth Farmer on set, they only used him for standing long shots because he was tall, he was replaced by a stunt guy for all the action and fighting scenes, and of course he was dubbed, plus he wasn’t invited to most interviews, grand openings or events, by all accounts the poor bloke was treated as a walking prop. I felt kinda sorry for him.
Didn't he also get cheated out of getting paid somehow?
Jonathan Reyes I’m not sure about that but there was/is a lot of bitterness between him and George Lucas (something to do with not following instructions on keeping movie pre-release secrets) and he certainly ain’t rich, so could be.
Jonathan Reyes I believe that he was the only one of the main cast who signed a 3-film contract for a flat fee rather than a share of royalties, so he made almost nothing while everyone else made a mint.
James Earl Jones is Darth Vader. The suit and the voice defined that character, so David Prowse was basically an animator who could have been any tall bloke.
Chemlak that makes sense, and oops.
The Royal Navy had boats and ships before any submarines were being used by the Royal Navy. A traditional answer was 'boats could be carried on a ship, but a ship couldn't be carried on a boat.' However, I never heard a clear answer on what the difference was.
in the german navy a ship was defined as having a captain and a 1st officer (so basically two people in power) and a boat had a captain (even if just acting captain) and only a first officer of the watch (so just the captain had power). but then a year or two ago the female minister of defense said the corvettes are now ships too and fuck traditions and naming standards and so the german navy now doesn't have a traditional naming standard just as the english speaking world doesn't have one either.
How about bathtub boats? Most rowboats can carry those.
It never was simple - one of the smaller Viking ships could easily be carried on a more modern ship. I get the feeling that originally the difference was to do with whether it was intended as an open sea vessel or an inland waters vessel, regardless of whether it carried sail or not. Thus a galley would be a ship, and a launch under sail (despite it being possible to cross substantial tracts of ocean in it, as Captain Bligh demonstrated) is nevertheless a boat, because crossing oceans was not its original intended purpose.
A submariner once told me that there are only 2 type of vessels in the Navy, submarines and targets
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Omg Bill Bailey gets me everytime 😂😂
"I fail to agree" may be the most English thing I've ever heard
Adding "I'm sorry" to either the beginning or end might, perhaps, make it even more English. :)
All ships can go underwater...once.
There's not two moons.
Oh how I miss Rich
Nah. The Royal Navy still operates both Patrol Boats and Training Boats that are still referred to as "boats".
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Some would define "ship" as a large vessel that operates on the surface of the sea. Thus, submarines are "boats". But there is another class of large vessels that is also traditionally referred to as boats: lake freighters. These enormous bulk cargo freighters operate exclusively on the Great Lakes of North America, and traditionally are referred to as "boats" because they never touch seawater.
Among sailing vessels, the distinction between ships and boats is that a ship is a square-rigged craft with at least three masts, and a boat isn't. With regard to motorized craft, a ship is a large vessel intended for oceangoing or at least deep-water transport, and a boat is anything else.
I agree with the lady in blue. I spent 20 years in the Navy. A ship is larger than a certain tonnage and is commanded by a capitain with officers and crew on board. A boat is a small craft crewed normally by non-comssioned officers and is attached to a ship. A boat always belong to a Unit, and a ship is normally a Unit onto itself. A Submarine that is crewed by a captain and officers and crew might qualify as a boat in the British Navy, but certainly not in the Canadian Navy. Officers would have a coniption if you call their ship a boat.
I think this might be a left over legacy from when submarines were actually boats ( they were small and they mostly travelled on the surface) and we just haven't changed
Your trying to put logic into our navy which calls their ports HMS (her majesty's ship)
So if a piece of land can be called a ship I don't see why a sub can't be called a boat
@@Alucard-gt1zf Given all that is happening in our countries right now, I've given up thinking logic still exists here...
Klaxon on the Popoffka going in circles when firing the guns - they didn't turn haplessly in circles when firing a main gun, the turntables the guns were mounted to were the issue. The ships themselves were almost impossible to steer by rudder, though could turn in the spot by engine.
I’ve read a book regarding the nuclear submarine that was partially raised. It was a Golf class submarine and there is evidence that it was destroyed from within when a group of rogue officers commandeered the submarine at intended to launch a nuke at Pearl Harbor. I believe the book was titled Red Rogue One.
I thought the book where submarines go rouge was the hunt for red October
Wargey that was a fictional book. This book is based on fact, or at least as much as could be determined.
Fred Lombardo it was a joke Fred
The ship that brought up the parts of the Russian submarine, was built by ultra weirdo Howard Hughes, for the CIA.
It's moth-balled I believe, but it was called the Hughes Glomar Explorer
@@neilperry2224 It was scrapped in 2015.
Darth Vader: Join the Dark Side of the Force.
West Country Darth Vader: I’m enjoying the dark cider of the Force.
The interesting thing about ships and boats is that there is now a scientifically accepted definition for the difference between a boat and a ship. When turning, a boat will lean INTO the turn, where a ship will lean OUT OF the turn.
This has caused quite a lot of consternation within shipping/boating circles because, although in general, larger vessels lean out, not all of them do.
But this definition seems to be the most justifiable differentiator.
Wow
I've never heard of those 19th century ROUND ships before! That's crazy! XD
I miss the fact about the submarine sunk by its captain flushing
Can someone please add that Project Azorian was the genesis of the Glomar Response?! It was when the phrase “we can neither confirm nor deny” was coined!
I have rarely been so annoyed by Stephen Fry as I was during the first clip. He was wrong multiple times and even smug about it. If that was the only snippet you had seen from him you wouldn't believe that he can be so witty, charming, and funny.
As Alan said, he has a huge mind, but that means it has a blind spot. Sometimes he holds firmly to wrong ideas, such as when he insisted that marsupials aren't mammals, and because he's so beloved and generally knowledgeable, few are willing to really challenge him.
@@Myzelfa Very true. And it's not exactly helping that this is a video from the official QI account with material from a few years ago and there is no additional info or caption that clears things up.
@@viveladecadence I love QI as a show, but it's also a very good example of why we shouldn't blindly trust authoritative sources of information.
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I'd like to note that the Popovkas actually worked quite well, all things considered, and served for a good few years until they became obsolescent.
"Has it got something to do with wind?"
Jo was right then. Submarines, life boats and probably patrol boats do not have curtains, whilst surface ships probably do.
No idea how they look now, but assuming Das Boot was historically accurate there are various curtains to be seen. Obviously not window curtains, but curtains to close off the bunks the crew (in particular the officers) were sleeping in. Still curtains though.
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Wow. She _has_ got eyes....
WOOOO i have been on that ship. it was used for drilling oil wells :)
Any vessel is called a boat based on how it lists when it turns. Ships list outward away from the direction they turn. I.e. Ship turns left and lists right. Boats list in the same direction as they turn or "lean in" to the turn. i.e. boat turns left and lists left.
I live on a boat and it definitely doesn’t go underwater!
“Ships are bigger.” Alan turned Australian just then ☺️
Tony Hancock - the greatest Robert Newton impersonator
Ships can go to space. Boats can safe lives.
OMG I've never seen that Darth Vader bit before...hilarious!
Thats Mr darth to you 😂
Stephen Fry is the greatest man alive
Richard Hopkins Cool, but he’s a lot more than just QI.
Richard Hopkins You can look at his career in wikipedia, and its quite detailed.
To sum it up: theatre (both creating and performing), writing, journalism, charitible work, LGBT+ rights, radio, voice acting, documentaries, films (both acting and creating), quite a few audiobooks, and more that I probably missed.
And you might not like his comedy, but a lot of people do. Comedy’s subjective after all
Get in the rowing-ship, we need to escape!
Row row row your ship... gently down the stream
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Rob tryna be a hero here but Steven’s completely right and she reassures him
I heard when referring to all boats and ships. Not necessarily in the Navy, but a boat can fit on a ship but a ship cannot fit on a boat. I don't know where I heard that from and I'm sure there's a million ways you could logically pick holes in that theory, but that was the theory that stuck in my mind.
Ships have their own, integral power plant. Boats get their power from something external like a sail, person rowing, or an outboard motor.
so wait... you're calling HMS victory a boat now?
@@peanutbuttereggdirt1 Your right. It's a "ship"
A boat leans into a turn while a ship leans out.
The other definition is that a ship should be able to carry a boat and not the other way round.
Jo was right. It's pronounced her way.
My uncle told me even a rowing boat is a ship. He was a navy man from the war to the 70s
Correction: the book is titled Red Star Rogue.
Boats go sploosh
Love QI miss Stephen but I love Sandi
I think Alan was right. A ship is a boat that carries other boats. Note that not all vessels are naval vessels.
The submarine is a boat designed to sink.
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A boat is any vessel that can be placed upon a ship, with the exception of submarines. Now, with that in mind, if you put a ship on a propelled type dry dock and transport it back to port for repairs; does that ship now become a boat?
A retired CPO told me that a boat is a vessel which can be lifted onto a ship.
To paraphrase a line from Blazing Saddles: Rules? We don't need no stinking rules. (Thie line from the movie was: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.)
The channel MegaProjects covered the Submarine expedition this week
If you've read Tom Clancy you'll know the Glomar Explorer
Maybe Alan really does have a marine engineering degreee.
As a native German speaker I have to side with Jo on the pronunciation of "das Boot". Stephen is quite wrong, which is a bit of a shock, and it's even worse that he keep insisting he's right.
Surprised on one in the comments pointed out that "boats" are sub-nautical (according to the show) and then the next clip says "what is wrong with this boat." But the answer wasn't, "it doesn't go under water."
Germans called surface vessels boats (or boots) as well. They called fast attack craft, including torpedo boats, s-boots.
11:19 Dev's that worked on the Fallout 4 DLC, Nuka World, are kicking themselves right now.
That round ship design would be really good for a rocket launching ship in the Black Sea. I will need a keel if you want to land aircraft on it, or maybe multiple deployable keels for increased stability under certain conditions.
I love Jo Brand
I'd love to be on this show, as a contestant.
Casual reminder that there's not two moons.
Generality if you are talking about the solar system there are dozens of moons -if you are tslking about the earth it has one .
@@ronnieince4568 I was referencing the original question as posed in QI which was "how many moons does the Earth have?"
Submarines were originally called torpedo boats and it's just a hold over from then
I can't believe the pirate's rules
It's too late to try to impress me, now, Alan!
Apparently, it was the guns on the circular ship that spun round, due to a badly designed locking mechanism. So points deducted from Sandy I'm afraid.
I can imagine the ship spinning around if a gun was fired at an angle. What would stop it spinning around?
@@karlmortoniv2951 Apparently it was so heavy and stable that the guns had little torque effect.
So what was the problem?
@@karlmortoniv2951 The problem with the two Novgorod ships that were built was, they were so slow, because they had to push so much water aside, due to having no pointed shape like all other boats and ships.
Is it weird that this was not foreseen before they built them? Or was it a different era where those in a position to decide things were lockstep obeyed without question? I’m used to the idea of engineers and architects and others who build things making models. Is that a relatively recent way of developing ideas and designs?