I think I get how they can work together. With Se in the present, you can only go forward with Ni to see what will happen next. With Ne you can look at multiple moments of your pervious experiences with Si function and try to guess what can happen base on prior experience.
@@TheNicMMc I often relive the past and just imagine different ways things could have gone down. But maybe that's more with me being an INFP with higher Si than ENxPs.
So with Ni/Se you’re dependent on the progression of a timeline and seeing how all the points line up, but with Ne/Si it’s like you’re independent of all points in a timeline and because of that you can pick which points of time you’ll let influence you more than others. That is why the past for the Ne/Si user is like a bag of marbles - each marble with it’s own unique qualities - that they carry around. I say as an INFP that relates to me pretty well, I can’t really remember much unless I’m super interested in remembering something awesome/funny, or I remember because the event impacted me on such an emotional level that it’s hard to forget. Then I can recall that information with such vividness like it had happened to me yesterday even though it could’ve been 10 years ago when it happened. But I only have that ability to remember vividly like that if I choose to remember it and I write it down or consistently remind myself over a period of time, otherwise I’ll remember very little. But even then it’s like “Hey a spider, I remember I once saw a spider try to kill a cicada (I think that’s how you spell it, those bugs that bury themselves for a couple of years before randomly coming back out to mate) one summer for food, that was the best big fight I had ever seen” (Yes, real life example and yeah, that was the best example of a memory I had. *shrug*)
Firstly, it's really fun to see you guys realizing something new mid discussion! As an NeSi user, I almost feel like I exist outside of time and I don't really feel the effect of time on me; sunrise doesn't necessarily inspire me to wake up, sunset doesn't really inspire me to stop work and settle in for the evening, my mind is happy to keep reading and exploring until 5am - the progression of time feels very incidental to me, almost irrelevant (except as a symbol or a context in which the world and others exist). If I go to sleep musing over a thought, I may wake up still thinking through it without feeling like there was a break in continuity - last night doesn't feel distinct from this morning, because I'm still inhabiting the same mental space; though sleep may have shuffled some mental or emotional puzzle pieces for me. I've actually been contemplating this very thing lately; now that it's holiday and my days aren't constrained by schedules, the days blur - so I wake up and my first verbalized thought may be "yeah that's a great idea, I think I'll do that." So I don't go through a kind of "Oh look, it's morning, I am awake, I need the bathroom, I wonder what I'll have for breakfast today?" Which is not to say this is how others think in the morning, I honestly don't know I can only speculate. As I write this it's like 5:30pm, I woke up a like 1pm because I slept at 4:30am, I've only had coffee so far and I spent all day finishing an anime I started last night. What do I do now?? Make breakfast?? (I kinda wanted pancakes) Or should I just have dinner, it's pretty dark outside? I planned to do some drawing today, so maybe I'll hold of until I've done that?? CHOOSE YOUR ADVENTURE lol. So yeah. Time is very interesting.
As an Se-Ni user, I experience time totally different. Instead of just ignoring time, I go along with time. I have Si critic and it makes me do things at the time of day I’ve always done them. Like I eat when I wake up, at about noon, and in the evening. I remember when I was younger my mom’s work schedule changed and dinner became later, which took me awhile to get used to.
I, as an INFJ, totally relate to the way Alex sees time. Never thought about it, very interesting! A thing I've noticed is that both of you (because of the Fi function maybe) tend to associate the general function utilization to your's function utilization. I've also seen the way Alex's point of view in a Judger way, while Callypso's was like in a Perceiver way. Maybe, as you said in the very end, if one's Si or Se function is dominant or auxiliary, this Jugder-Perceiver thing must change. I think the distant moments in time on the NiSe timeline are less important in Se dominant users, like, they can collect data quickly, but see less patterns on long term. Also, the Si fragments on NeSi users are more abudant in Si dominant users, but they tend to extract less (N) meaning of each individual one.
Literally, before you began, I paused this video and said, “how do I view time?” - and I thought “I view each day as a whole, like a pie. As each hour paces, it’s like a piece of the pie was eaten. Everyday, independently, is a count down. And still I feel very aware of present time and how it relates to future time. If someone asks me the time, I recall the last moment I had a confirmation of time and then through impressions have a precise estimation of the minutes/hours that have past, and it’s generally spot-on” . . . . Started the video, and bam! Ni/Se Axis in your face. I’m pretty jealous of the Ne’s out there. What is going on in your head?! Excellent commentary, you two. Thanks for this!! (P.S. I know you do ‘MBTI types as desserts’, to appeal to the masses, but these types of topics truly speak to the people!!🤗) -ENTJ
Everything in the Si Ne way of perception hit home for me, i didnt actually realize i see things like that lol. It sounds so strange in comparison to Se Ni its almost hard to accept, but also somehow liberating now.
8:01 - 8:47 *pauses video* Woah. I gotta draw that, it would be like a really cool Wild West picture. Or maybe I’ll draw it as the train evolving through time from its very earliest design to its modern day design. And then the cowboy that’s on the train is capturing the memories that the train has of all its passengers. Maybe the cowboy is a time traveler. This is gonna be an awesome short story.
As an ISFP, I completely relate to to the linear, flowing way that INTJ sees time. Se-Ni as a present-future cause-effect axis. I can't even begin to understand how Ne-Si understands time :( Looks like I've got some digging to do
Dominant Ni means that literally everything you have done in the past has some sort of influence or meaning in your present and future. It's all the same. Linear but one. Exactly like Alex said!
Merry Christmas Alex and Calypso! 🎄 I am sure for the Si-Ne users out there Christmas is a time when you think about past experiences from previous Christmas holidays and ponder of future ones all throughout the day.
Interesting thought about the movie and knowing what will happen. I actually will still will it to change. There are movies I’ve seen like 10 times and I still wish it will change and I’ll spend the whole movie still hoping for that even though I know it’s fruitless. I also have a deep love for movies and books that have a broken/random timeline so I can put the pieces together and guess what might have happened. (I’m writing a book like that actually). These points are really interesting because I definitely relate to the lasso effect and I often wonder why I have saved certain memories so crisply and others are just gone. Patterns overall? I only find those if I sit and really think about it, but if I do that again on a different day I will find different meaning. Great video!
Perhaps it like how different history books are structured. You have a book that is structured chronologically or structured into concepts; like in subject by subject. For instance, you can go chronologically thru the events of the French Revolution or you can deal with by subject of what happened from one subject to the next. An example of subject by subject could dealt with in various ways. Inspiration from the American Revolution; The conditions within France just before the Revolution; the attitudes of the aristocracy; ect, ect. Funny thing with me that even though I'm NE-SI, I prefer chronological history books. Probably because I can construct the concepts myself really easily. Having someone do it for me feels misleading somehow. Also chronologically is a convenient way to structure and remember it. But I think that's only applies in a history class, or when I'm studying history for the purpose of learning history.
I'm an INFP and I prefer chronological stuff too, I guess it gives me more freedom to play around with how I can imagine them to have played out? Also, yeah, when it is like a story I can see it through to the end, but miss one part of the story, and I'm stuck, I forget one tiny detail somewhere, and I cannot proceed with the answer. SO that's a downside
I explain all this is my class every term, but I have the advantage of a chalkboard. In my 20 years of teaching MBTI there are far less Sensing types who enjoy the theory (percentage wise), so as an ENFP, I "act it" out, and we role play (so they can see it), which helps the S types. Merry Christmas!
Really enjoyed this video and wow can I relate to the Ni dom perspective of how time flows. My son is an Ne dom and I can see how he approaches each moment in a very freestyle way- remixing and improvising as he goes along, but I always feel myself as living at one moment along a timeline. I never feel lost about where I am in time or how the future relates to the past. Very cool concepts to think about.
Merry Christmas! May I ask what's that like, the teaching of MBTI? Is it at some local college, or library, or your personal garage? Do you do businesses, or do you do... Honestly I'd love it if you could explain anything about it, it'd be super appreciative
Does anyone else experience really stimualting Se moments as a memory? Or I should say, as if they are already in the past. You feel like the moment is slipping away and you need to appreciate it while you can.
I'm INFJ and for me I agree that for NiSe context is everything! So true but I think I am not quite in Se linear time- more like 3 seconds ahead (or one moment) but I am still using linear time and still the sum of all my experiences in every moment. Context is everything! one Si sentence means nothing. Its like an individual Ti thought in a Te dominated world...neither hold much meaning out of context and are like the farts of the universe (hot air and noise)...lol
I think the branching paths of time are also associated with Ne. Like all the possibilities of the past and future based on specific Si events that have or could happen.
INFP: This! I often imagine what would have happened differently and what my life would be like if I picked another choice (like said a different word) in a specific past event, basically imagining butterfly effect scenarios.
Yeah, there's no doubt that you guys are right around the ballpark of the Ni/Se axis and Ne/Si. Just as a quick note, it's very hard to go too deep into the definitions of things without talking about the animals (Objective Personality defined as Play, Blast, Sleep and Consume) and Sexualities of each cognitive function. I drew out an entire visual model of the functions, the animals and how it all looks like. Still need to figure out what the sexualities look like though. But yeah great work in exploring the experience between 2D perception (S) and 3D perception (N)
I always wondered why I was never bothered by spoilers and in some ways like knowing them so my mind isn't working too hard at trying to figure everything out. (INTP)
blakeje25 Same! Sometimes the spoiler or knowing how it ends is what gets me to watch/read the thing in the first place; I know the what but I want to know the why and the how - if the premise and the conclusion are both intriguing enough. Sometimes the premise is intriguing but the conclusions sounds disappointing, which makes me not want to read/watch at all (usually like, oh it ends sad - I don't wanna watch something sad so I'll pass.) And sometimes the premise doesn't sound so special, but the conclusion is interesting enough that I'll take the story on. So I like stories that don't rely on me being unaware of how it ends; the process must give meaning to the conclusion. - Also INTP
That's interesting, I'm also an INTP, but I really don't like spoilers. I think knowing what's gonna happen takes away from the experience of trying to figure out things as it goes and getting, maybe, surprised by the events, though I guess I would still enjoy the individual pieces of it (if they are interesting enough). I guess it just takes away all the Ne possibilities and theories I'd be making in the process so it gets kinda boring.
I don’t like spoilers I just like knowing what I’m getting into and knowing what important thing is gonna happen so I could try and guess how it happens
SAME OMG I'll watch something if I know the end is gonna be fine or not like whether it is or isn't and happy ending helps me decide if I should watch it
This was a more confusing topic than usual. But your movie discussion at the end made me think of how my husband can sit there and predict how the movie plot is going to go, and it drives me crazy how often he's right. I keep hoping he will be wrong. I think my thing is that I have high Se, so I can't think further than what I can see happening right now. I have almost no future predictions for anything, movies or books. Plus, if enough time goes by, I will forget most of the plot details. I will remember the basic framework, especially with something I've watched or read more than, say, ten times. It's so interesting the differences between people.
I see the past similar to Calypso (& I'm pretty sure I'm on the Ne-Si axis), especially in regards to particular events being singular moments in time rather than a connected whole or a "progression" of sorts. Very interesting video!
Maybe thats why Ne Si users are more attached to objects and kind of associate them with meanings or perhaps they think about events that happened a lot, rather than focusing on the here and now.
Wow, I feel like this is a significant groundbreaking insight in the world of Type. Great work!! I wish to understand this better and have a couple of questions: (1) What are your major influences and references used in formulating your theory of this axes, (2) Are you able to provide some evocative descriptions (i.e. soliloquy, first-person poetry, etc.) about how the Ni-Se percieves themselves moving through time to better illustrate the feeling for people who don't have this axes, and (3) I'm unclear about what you mean by Ni-Se requiring many different instances of Se to create the context for Ni. My previous understanding was the because Ni brings with it a unified vision, it is able to fit any any instance of Se into that picture.
You girls are spot on with the time lines. I also relate with the movie spoilers. I love reading the spoilers because i want to know what happens, at the same time after reading the spoilers, its a completely different experience to actually watching the movie and seeing it for myself.
I'm an INFJ and I relate to your definition of the Ne Si perception of time. I've always felt the linear perception of it is an illusion, and we are all just experiences suspended in space/time with no beginning or end point, fragmented and overlapping. Even when I think back to my childhood, I don't feel like I'm looking down a chain I feel like I'm feeling through time into another world that still exists somewhere, exactly as I left it. I'm definitely an INFJ before anyone questions.
Nice topic for this episode! i really have deep curiosity about time, how it works for different person. Specially when it’s connected with dreams. It feels like the concept of time in dreams is really vanished on how we perceive it and also how we experienced it. Anyway i really relate with calypso on catching specific memories and also with the i can be someone else if i will just put my mind through it. The example of that for me is like i keep thinking other options of career even though i have a nice solid start with my current state. Maybe because of (Ne). And i know this is not related but the first thing i notice on the video is the nice hair of alex that is longer now and it really fits to her, specially the wavy volume on the end.
i wonder if the judging augments the intensity of the time perception. i’m so much more consciously aware of the profundity of time when i’m connecting with others on an Fe level. it leaves stronger Se impressions and even inspires me to explore Ni trends!! i suspect Ti can do this for me in a more negative and/or challenging way (but challenge is needed from time to time). i can’t say for Fi/Te yet, i need more context 😉
I've read this particular book in the past titled "Perceival Everett" and I used it for my book report. I've noticed that the events there were so fragmented that sometimes I was lost on what to think of anymore. It was really hard for me to understand 'cause because of my Ni-Se axis I tend to look for a unifying meaning like what it implies as a whole but the book reeks of too much Ne-Si. It looks so random to me unlike when I was reading Haruki Murakami's books. One of my fave HM's works is 1Q84, tho the way the plot progresses is not linear, I could clearly see how every plot points are connected to each other. On the other hand, Perceival Everett seems to me like a bunch of past, random data points that I'm not sure if were connected to each other. It was an interesting book but up until now I'm still not sure if my subjective impression and understanding of it is what the author wants to imply.
I don't mind spoilers in a movie cause the movie isn't just it's story. It's visual. Just cause I know a guy gets kidnapped I don't know how the environment looked or his reaction.
Is this why the people around me are really good at explaining things? Because I always end up explaining the whole thing instead of just that specific thing I want to put out. - NiSe user
NE-Si-Fi here. I can see time as completely changeable and infinite. I can see my Si memories being in one of those multiple universes. I also wonder if what I do in this Universe has an effect on any of the other me's in the other Universes.
Guys,how do you vizualize year,day or week? How looks time in your head? I have week,day and year in the closed circle but day is vertical and others in horizontal circle, whole history that dont include just my life is line. Also year and week goes counterclockwise. My position unto the circle differ according what i´m thinking about(like what happened last summer or that i have to visit a doctor next week) and what time and day is. And when I thinking about thing within days i see them in circle for week, the circles are separate but fit together, the small ones into larger ones. There are more weirdnes about this but its hard to describe. - probable INFJ :) P.S. sorry for my bad english, still learning
It would be very interesting for you two to comment on Black Mirror episodes because I feel most of them are adept to the Si-Ne perceiving in the sense that their content is unusual based on a Si common understanding that is taken to this unusual Ne perspective(s). For example I am pretty sure I am an INTJ (especially after watching your channel) and I often think that they don't offer any solution to this unusual circumstance(s) and there is no long term projection of it. It kind of gets me frustrated thinking 'okey, world has gone mad and we are in this dystopic situation, what are we gonna do about it?'.
Cool question!! Maybe when in the process of dying, their minds don't know how to react so that's why all the past experiences pop up as an attempt to collect some helping points from those. Like their mind is going trough all experiences books of the Si- library to find some kind of advise to help them deal with the current threatening situation. By the way I'm a Ne-Si user. Other people insteaf of seing their lives infront of their eyes, they see a bright peaceful light. Could those be the Se-Ni user?
Aster Afrem idk that’s interesting. I think it could happen to an Ni user. I’ve had bad moments where I start remembering everything and all the moments to do with a place or feeling or person I lost. Maybe that remembrance is more vivid for an Si user though.
Ugh I just posted a really elaborate answer but apparently something went wrong... Anyway, I found this link which seems to about the perception of time as well. Seems to follow your experiences to the dot. (it's a bit confusing sometimes due to the difference in theory between socionics / mbti / cognitive functions.) www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Statics_and_dynamics Cheers!
This is actually a good video. However it's a bit messy, I wish the speakers have more structures and points instead or rambles. It's an *intelligent* rambles nevertheless.
Oversimplification but...
Si→Past
Se→Present
Ni→Future
Ne→Alternate Realities
I think I get how they can work together. With Se in the present, you can only go forward with Ni to see what will happen next. With Ne you can look at multiple moments of your pervious experiences with Si function and try to guess what can happen base on prior experience.
@@TheNicMMc I often relive the past and just imagine different ways things could have gone down. But maybe that's more with me being an INFP with higher Si than ENxPs.
@Cliven Longsight you should start a youtube channel
Masculine Ne I can confirm that my past feels like a dream changing to a birdseyeview when I never was there in my whole life lol
So with Ni/Se you’re dependent on the progression of a timeline and seeing how all the points line up, but with Ne/Si it’s like you’re independent of all points in a timeline and because of that you can pick which points of time you’ll let influence you more than others. That is why the past for the Ne/Si user is like a bag of marbles - each marble with it’s own unique qualities - that they carry around.
I say as an INFP that relates to me pretty well, I can’t really remember much unless I’m super interested in remembering something awesome/funny, or I remember because the event impacted me on such an emotional level that it’s hard to forget. Then I can recall that information with such vividness like it had happened to me yesterday even though it could’ve been 10 years ago when it happened. But I only have that ability to remember vividly like that if I choose to remember it and I write it down or consistently remind myself over a period of time, otherwise I’ll remember very little. But even then it’s like “Hey a spider, I remember I once saw a spider try to kill a cicada (I think that’s how you spell it, those bugs that bury themselves for a couple of years before randomly coming back out to mate) one summer for food, that was the best big fight I had ever seen” (Yes, real life example and yeah, that was the best example of a memory I had. *shrug*)
i can related completely as INTP
Firstly, it's really fun to see you guys realizing something new mid discussion!
As an NeSi user, I almost feel like I exist outside of time and I don't really feel the effect of time on me; sunrise doesn't necessarily inspire me to wake up, sunset doesn't really inspire me to stop work and settle in for the evening, my mind is happy to keep reading and exploring until 5am - the progression of time feels very incidental to me, almost irrelevant (except as a symbol or a context in which the world and others exist). If I go to sleep musing over a thought, I may wake up still thinking through it without feeling like there was a break in continuity - last night doesn't feel distinct from this morning, because I'm still inhabiting the same mental space; though sleep may have shuffled some mental or emotional puzzle pieces for me.
I've actually been contemplating this very thing lately; now that it's holiday and my days aren't constrained by schedules, the days blur - so I wake up and my first verbalized thought may be "yeah that's a great idea, I think I'll do that." So I don't go through a kind of "Oh look, it's morning, I am awake, I need the bathroom, I wonder what I'll have for breakfast today?" Which is not to say this is how others think in the morning, I honestly don't know I can only speculate.
As I write this it's like 5:30pm, I woke up a like 1pm because I slept at 4:30am, I've only had coffee so far and I spent all day finishing an anime I started last night. What do I do now?? Make breakfast?? (I kinda wanted pancakes) Or should I just have dinner, it's pretty dark outside? I planned to do some drawing today, so maybe I'll hold of until I've done that?? CHOOSE YOUR ADVENTURE lol.
So yeah. Time is very interesting.
This exactly how I experience time too!!!👀
As an Se-Ni user, I experience time totally different. Instead of just ignoring time, I go along with time. I have Si critic and it makes me do things at the time of day I’ve always done them. Like I eat when I wake up, at about noon, and in the evening. I remember when I was younger my mom’s work schedule changed and dinner became later, which took me awhile to get used to.
I, as an INFJ, totally relate to the way Alex sees time. Never thought about it, very interesting!
A thing I've noticed is that both of you (because of the Fi function maybe) tend to associate the general function utilization to your's function utilization. I've also seen the way Alex's point of view in a Judger way, while Callypso's was like in a Perceiver way. Maybe, as you said in the very end, if one's Si or Se function is dominant or auxiliary, this Jugder-Perceiver thing must change. I think the distant moments in time on the NiSe timeline are less important in Se dominant users, like, they can collect data quickly, but see less patterns on long term. Also, the Si fragments on NeSi users are more abudant in Si dominant users, but they tend to extract less (N) meaning of each individual one.
Literally, before you began, I paused this video and said, “how do I view time?” - and I thought “I view each day as a whole, like a pie. As each hour paces, it’s like a piece of the pie was eaten. Everyday, independently, is a count down. And still I feel very aware of present time and how it relates to future time. If someone asks me the time, I recall the last moment I had a confirmation of time and then through impressions have a precise estimation of the minutes/hours that have past, and it’s generally spot-on” . . . . Started the video, and bam! Ni/Se Axis in your face. I’m pretty jealous of the Ne’s out there. What is going on in your head?! Excellent commentary, you two. Thanks for this!! (P.S. I know you do ‘MBTI types as desserts’, to appeal to the masses, but these types of topics truly speak to the people!!🤗) -ENTJ
Everything in the Si Ne way of perception hit home for me, i didnt actually realize i see things like that lol. It sounds so strange in comparison to Se Ni its almost hard to accept, but also somehow liberating now.
8:01 - 8:47 *pauses video* Woah. I gotta draw that, it would be like a really cool Wild West picture. Or maybe I’ll draw it as the train evolving through time from its very earliest design to its modern day design. And then the cowboy that’s on the train is capturing the memories that the train has of all its passengers. Maybe the cowboy is a time traveler. This is gonna be an awesome short story.
INFP: Wow that sounds awesome!
Golden , that’s what I did too! Paused and sketched
As an ISFP, I completely relate to to the linear, flowing way that INTJ sees time. Se-Ni as a present-future cause-effect axis. I can't even begin to understand how Ne-Si understands time :(
Looks like I've got some digging to do
Dominant Ni means that literally everything you have done in the past has some sort of influence or meaning in your present and future. It's all the same. Linear but one. Exactly like Alex said!
Merry Christmas Alex and Calypso! 🎄
I am sure for the Si-Ne users out there Christmas is a time when you think about past experiences from previous Christmas holidays and ponder of future ones all throughout the day.
This is unrelated to the video, but Calypso looks absolutely gorgeous!!
The Ni train track comparison was relatable af. (INFJ)
Interesting thought about the movie and knowing what will happen. I actually will still will it to change. There are movies I’ve seen like 10 times and I still wish it will change and I’ll spend the whole movie still hoping for that even though I know it’s fruitless. I also have a deep love for movies and books that have a broken/random timeline so I can put the pieces together and guess what might have happened. (I’m writing a book like that actually).
These points are really interesting because I definitely relate to the lasso effect and I often wonder why I have saved certain memories so crisply and others are just gone. Patterns overall? I only find those if I sit and really think about it, but if I do that again on a different day I will find different meaning.
Great video!
Perhaps it like how different history books are structured. You have a book that is structured chronologically or structured into concepts; like in subject by subject.
For instance, you can go chronologically thru the events of the French Revolution or you can deal with by subject of what happened from one subject to the next.
An example of subject by subject could dealt with in various ways. Inspiration from the American Revolution; The conditions within France just before the Revolution; the attitudes of the aristocracy; ect, ect.
Funny thing with me that even though I'm NE-SI, I prefer chronological history books. Probably because I can construct the concepts myself really easily. Having someone do it for me feels misleading somehow. Also chronologically is a convenient way to structure and remember it. But I think that's only applies in a history class, or when I'm studying history for the purpose of learning history.
I'm an INFP and I prefer chronological stuff too, I guess it gives me more freedom to play around with how I can imagine them to have played out? Also, yeah, when it is like a story I can see it through to the end, but miss one part of the story, and I'm stuck, I forget one tiny detail somewhere, and I cannot proceed with the answer. SO that's a downside
I explain all this is my class every term, but I have the advantage of a chalkboard. In my 20 years of teaching MBTI there are far less Sensing types who enjoy the theory (percentage wise), so as an ENFP, I "act it" out, and we role play (so they can see it), which helps the S types. Merry Christmas!
Really enjoyed this video and wow can I relate to the Ni dom perspective of how time flows. My son is an Ne dom and I can see how he approaches each moment in a very freestyle way- remixing and improvising as he goes along, but I always feel myself as living at one moment along a timeline. I never feel lost about where I am in time or how the future relates to the past. Very cool concepts to think about.
Merry Christmas! May I ask what's that like, the teaching of MBTI? Is it at some local college, or library, or your personal garage? Do you do businesses, or do you do... Honestly I'd love it if you could explain anything about it, it'd be super appreciative
Happy Christmas beautifuls💃
Does anyone else experience really stimualting Se moments as a memory? Or I should say, as if they are already in the past. You feel like the moment is slipping away and you need to appreciate it while you can.
What do you mean stimulating Se moment? How would an Se moment would differ from an Si moment? Could you give specific example?
I'm INFJ and for me I agree that for NiSe context is everything! So true but I think I am not quite in Se linear time- more like 3 seconds ahead (or one moment) but I am still using linear time and still the sum of all my experiences in every moment.
Context is everything! one Si sentence means nothing. Its like an individual Ti thought in a Te dominated world...neither hold much meaning out of context and are like the farts of the universe (hot air and noise)...lol
As a Ti-Ne-Si-Fe, I may see a picture of me and build a memory around it, later realising it was just a picture.
I think the branching paths of time are also associated with Ne. Like all the possibilities of the past and future based on specific Si events that have or could happen.
INFP: This! I often imagine what would have happened differently and what my life would be like if I picked another choice (like said a different word) in a specific past event, basically imagining butterfly effect scenarios.
Yeah, there's no doubt that you guys are right around the ballpark of the Ni/Se axis and Ne/Si.
Just as a quick note, it's very hard to go too deep into the definitions of things without talking about the animals (Objective Personality defined as Play, Blast, Sleep and Consume) and Sexualities of each cognitive function.
I drew out an entire visual model of the functions, the animals and how it all looks like. Still need to figure out what the sexualities look like though.
But yeah great work in exploring the experience between 2D perception (S) and 3D perception (N)
I always wondered why I was never bothered by spoilers and in some ways like knowing them so my mind isn't working too hard at trying to figure everything out. (INTP)
blakeje25 Same! Sometimes the spoiler or knowing how it ends is what gets me to watch/read the thing in the first place; I know the what but I want to know the why and the how - if the premise and the conclusion are both intriguing enough. Sometimes the premise is intriguing but the conclusions sounds disappointing, which makes me not want to read/watch at all (usually like, oh it ends sad - I don't wanna watch something sad so I'll pass.) And sometimes the premise doesn't sound so special, but the conclusion is interesting enough that I'll take the story on. So I like stories that don't rely on me being unaware of how it ends; the process must give meaning to the conclusion. - Also INTP
That's interesting, I'm also an INTP, but I really don't like spoilers. I think knowing what's gonna happen takes away from the experience of trying to figure out things as it goes and getting, maybe, surprised by the events, though I guess I would still enjoy the individual pieces of it (if they are interesting enough). I guess it just takes away all the Ne possibilities and theories I'd be making in the process so it gets kinda boring.
I don’t like spoilers I just like knowing what I’m getting into and knowing what important thing is gonna happen so I could try and guess how it happens
INTP here, and I also don’t understand the rage that people have against spoilers.
SAME OMG
I'll watch something if I know the end is gonna be fine or not like whether it is or isn't and happy ending helps me decide if I should watch it
This was a more confusing topic than usual. But your movie discussion at the end made me think of how my husband can sit there and predict how the movie plot is going to go, and it drives me crazy how often he's right. I keep hoping he will be wrong. I think my thing is that I have high Se, so I can't think further than what I can see happening right now. I have almost no future predictions for anything, movies or books. Plus, if enough time goes by, I will forget most of the plot details. I will remember the basic framework, especially with something I've watched or read more than, say, ten times. It's so interesting the differences between people.
I see the past similar to Calypso (& I'm pretty sure I'm on the Ne-Si axis), especially in regards to particular events being singular moments in time rather than a connected whole or a "progression" of sorts. Very interesting video!
I wish I could re-organize my internal stuff and create new meaning in an instance.
Maybe thats why Ne Si users are more attached to objects and kind of associate them with meanings or perhaps they think about events that happened a lot, rather than focusing on the here and now.
Wow, I feel like this is a significant groundbreaking insight in the world of Type. Great work!! I wish to understand this better and have a couple of questions: (1) What are your major influences and references used in formulating your theory of this axes, (2) Are you able to provide some evocative descriptions (i.e. soliloquy, first-person poetry, etc.) about how the Ni-Se percieves themselves moving through time to better illustrate the feeling for people who don't have this axes, and (3) I'm unclear about what you mean by Ni-Se requiring many different instances of Se to create the context for Ni. My previous understanding was the because Ni brings with it a unified vision, it is able to fit any any instance of Se into that picture.
You girls are spot on with the time lines. I also relate with the movie spoilers. I love reading the spoilers because i want to know what happens, at the same time after reading the spoilers, its a completely different experience to actually watching the movie and seeing it for myself.
I'm an INFJ and I relate to your definition of the Ne Si perception of time. I've always felt the linear perception of it is an illusion, and we are all just experiences suspended in space/time with no beginning or end point, fragmented and overlapping. Even when I think back to my childhood, I don't feel like I'm looking down a chain I feel like I'm feeling through time into another world that still exists somewhere, exactly as I left it. I'm definitely an INFJ before anyone questions.
@Eunhye This could well be true, I ruminate a lot on these questions being an Ni dom so its very possible my Ti is coming to these conclusions.
Nice topic for this episode! i really have deep curiosity about time, how it works for different person. Specially when it’s connected with dreams.
It feels like the concept of time in dreams is really vanished on how we perceive it and also how we experienced it. Anyway i really relate with calypso on catching specific memories and also with the i can be someone else if i will just put my mind through it. The example of that for me is like i keep thinking other options of career even though i have a nice solid start with my current state. Maybe because of (Ne).
And i know this is not related but the first thing i notice on the video is the nice hair of alex that is longer now and it really fits to her, specially the wavy volume on the end.
"Completion sounds so scary" at 15.27... so very Ne haha
Girls, I just need to say- you are doing great work :)
i wonder if the judging augments the intensity of the time perception. i’m so much more consciously aware of the profundity of time when i’m connecting with others on an Fe level. it leaves stronger Se impressions and even inspires me to explore Ni trends!! i suspect Ti can do this for me in a more negative and/or challenging way (but challenge is needed from time to time). i can’t say for Fi/Te yet, i need more context 😉
I've read this particular book in the past titled "Perceival Everett" and I used it for my book report. I've noticed that the events there were so fragmented that sometimes I was lost on what to think of anymore. It was really hard for me to understand 'cause because of my Ni-Se axis I tend to look for a unifying meaning like what it implies as a whole but the book reeks of too much Ne-Si. It looks so random to me unlike when I was reading Haruki Murakami's books. One of my fave HM's works is 1Q84, tho the way the plot progresses is not linear, I could clearly see how every plot points are connected to each other. On the other hand, Perceival Everett seems to me like a bunch of past, random data points that I'm not sure if were connected to each other. It was an interesting book but up until now I'm still not sure if my subjective impression and understanding of it is what the author wants to imply.
thanky ou for the video, such an interesting topic!
Oo the thumbnail made me think about spatial sequence synesthesia!
Did you guys get a new camera set up? The sound and video seems to be really good!
INFP: Thanks! My boyfriend kindly lending us his equipment when possible :)
Please upload examples of writings according to cognitive functions.
They already uploaded a video about Ne-Si and Ni-Se writing where they compare the two. It's an older video.
INFP: We were referring to this video: ruclips.net/video/-gYnmPOA93A/видео.html
I don't mind spoilers in a movie cause the movie isn't just it's story. It's visual. Just cause I know a guy gets kidnapped I don't know how the environment looked or his reaction.
Is this why the people around me are really good at explaining things? Because I always end up explaining the whole thing instead of just that specific thing I want to put out.
- NiSe user
NE-Si-Fi here. I can see time as completely changeable and infinite. I can see my Si memories being in one of those multiple universes. I also wonder if what I do in this Universe has an effect on any of the other me's in the other Universes.
Ni-Fe-Ti-Se here and I completely second your perception of time
Guys,how do you vizualize year,day or week? How looks time in your head? I have week,day and year in the closed circle but day is vertical and others in horizontal circle, whole history that dont include just my life is line. Also year and week goes counterclockwise. My position unto the circle differ according what i´m thinking about(like what happened last summer or that i have to visit a doctor next week) and what time and day is. And when I thinking about thing within days i see them in circle for week, the circles are separate but fit together, the small ones into larger ones. There are more weirdnes about this but its hard to describe.
- probable INFJ :)
P.S. sorry for my bad english, still learning
It would be very interesting for you two to comment on Black Mirror episodes because I feel most of them are adept to the Si-Ne perceiving in the sense that their content is unusual based on a Si common understanding that is taken to this unusual Ne perspective(s). For example I am pretty sure I am an INTJ (especially after watching your channel) and I often think that they don't offer any solution to this unusual circumstance(s) and there is no long term projection of it. It kind of gets me frustrated thinking 'okey, world has gone mad and we are in this dystopic situation, what are we gonna do about it?'.
Nothing, sometimes there is nothing you can do to fix/change things... You just need to try and be the best you can in the society you are in.
This is making me think I may not be INFP . I don't like spoilers🙂
I have a question. Does “I saw my life flash before my eyes” have something to do with those Si captures writhin time, that define your life?
Cool question!! Maybe when in the process of dying, their minds don't know how to react so that's why all the past experiences pop up as an attempt to collect some helping points from those. Like their mind is going trough all experiences books of the Si- library to find some kind of advise to help them deal with the current threatening situation. By the way I'm a Ne-Si user.
Other people insteaf of seing their lives infront of their eyes, they see a bright peaceful light. Could those be the Se-Ni user?
Aster Afrem idk that’s interesting. I think it could happen to an Ni user. I’ve had bad moments where I start remembering everything and all the moments to do with a place or feeling or person I lost. Maybe that remembrance is more vivid for an Si user though.
Ugh I just posted a really elaborate answer but apparently something went wrong... Anyway, I found this link which seems to about the perception of time as well. Seems to follow your experiences to the dot. (it's a bit confusing sometimes due to the difference in theory between socionics / mbti / cognitive functions.)
www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Statics_and_dynamics
Cheers!
Random but *where did you get your sunflower cat ears?* ....it's soooo cute! And i NEED IT!! i love sunflowers😍😍
. 🤔 maybe I should make one.
INFP: Forever 21! It was a long time ago but similar stuff should be all over the internet :)
@@CasualCognition thank u.. i'll be on the look out!
This is actually a good video. However it's a bit messy, I wish the speakers have more structures and points instead or rambles. It's an *intelligent* rambles nevertheless.
INTJ looking up to make connections...me...INFJ.
I messaged u on facebook 😡
she makes all the video junk video.. her voice is not clear. You should be more clear and work on your voice delivery.