Yes 🙌 all 4 will do well this is getting n early giving life changing $ opportunity you got n early to Ponke life changing gains is no longer there buying Ponke gives you better odds to b a bag holder
I think you're wrong mate and you miss out on some serious gains. This cycle will go down as the meme cycle and Matt Furie narrative will be hot. Most new investors coming into the space will be investing in memes and good narrative is one thing that a good meme needs. I see Hoppy passing 1b MC with ez.
for everyone invested, I hope it does! I believe memecoins will in fact do quite well this cycle, however I think new investors will put their money in memes they are familiar with. That is why I'm so bullish on PONKE. Millions of people have already been introduced to PONKE through memes on social media and will FOMO in towards the top after sitting on the sidelines for most of the run up. If HOPPY had even half the social media reach PONKE does I would possibly be bullish
@@HoldenBlaize don't worry, Hoppy is getting there. I started following this project on X early June and it had 2k followers and almost the same amount of holders , now it has over 20k followers and almost 12k holders, beautiful chart, good, active team and it has only been around for a couple of months. If that's not bullish for you, I don't know what is. Ponke will do well too 💪
When your argue about Matt furies association with these coins. He dint have any association with Pepe, Brett or any other popular meme coins. But look at where they are at now. They have made millionaires. Something to think about
Aww, stop crying dude. Hoppy is Matt’s first frog, he has a whole video explaining his love for hoppy. It seems you hold lots of Pepe and are afraid Hoppy would overtake Pepe
You may think they wont last but judging from the growth all these memes had it is undeniable that they are the current meme "meta" if you want to call it that. Hoppy and Wat will do very well this year/next year based on how many exchange listings and holder growth they have made in such a short time.
Hoppy was created 7 years after Pepe, but that's beside the point. PEPE made Matt Furie famous. More specifically, the memers on 4chan, reddit and twitter made Matt Furie's character (Pepe) famous...and recently rich. None of these Pepe impostors are worth shit. Matt Furie IS INTO DIGITAL ART (i.e., NFTs). He has many sets out and one card in the OG Rare Pepes collection from 2016-2018. That is where 90% of my crypto holdings reside. Scarce. Digital. Relics of the early blockchain.
@@dreamaremedia7378 Please cite one sentence in my post that is factually inaccurate. I'll save you time, you can't...because it is 100% accurate. I never said it could not or would not pump. Plenty of shit coins pushed by the "cabal" pursuant to fictional narratives have. That said, most people that buy into the narrative lose---bigly.
I appreciate your willingness to share your opinion, even if and when it differs from others. I’m sure many will make a lot of money off memes, but bottom line is more will lose. This perspective helps give people a pause to think for themselves and find their own conviction
I don't get your logic, if Pepe is a character of Matt Furies, and he didn't know about it what's the difference between that and the rest of these meme coins? Wat is already getting some serious listings, The jury is out for draggy and flappy. Is it possible you just want everyone to put money into Ponke instead of anything else?
Idc what people do, I’m not a financial advisor. Like I stated in the video Pepe is much more recognizable than Hoppy. Brett has the Based narrative behind it as well. I personally would rather put my money elsewhere and I wanted to be transparent with what I am doing. If you like HOPPY over PONKE then buy HOPPY. I’m just voicing my opinion
Brett can be easily dumped by the insiders who own a large portion of the project. I personally think the only one that’s promising of all of these is Hoppy. I believe Matt furie mentioned that the Hoppy character was the inspiration for Pepe. I think these potential there atleast. Meme coins are saturated now in the the crypto space now so who knows who will survive in the long run.
Been in on Hoppy since 3.4 million market 🧢 I can see it reaching 1billion+ in the bull market. People know who Hoppy is because the devs basically copied the apu meme.
Instead of using ur time and energy to fight its better to just Join the Night Riders.. Having both Boys Club and Night Riders you can't lose.. you will win twice..
not sure how i missed this video...? 😫 wish i had seen it when it was posted. might have saved a bit of money if i had pulled before these jenky projects tanked. that's what we get for trusting wolves in sheeps' clothing. 🤦🏻♀️i wanted to say that you've got integrity and thanks for speaking your mind and making videos for us even though you're not trying to con us into being your exit liquidity for pump and dumps. 😂 appreciate you, Holden! 🙏🏽
Looking forward to seeing your video on how "Mindviscocity" by Matt Furie is not a big narrative)))) Please, do it, because it just turns out to prove you wrong :D
Of course crypto had nothing to do with Matt, it all started with Pepe, a lots of these send coins to Matt through his ENS and he sells them. Like it or not more are coming because they might have good logos and are memeable and collectable. I'll stick to NR, if they are pumping then there's a demand, I agree with you on Hoppy
Love your videos mate but im against you on this one. What gives meme coins value is hype and narrative. Some big names are already talking about these coins and the narrative is there because of $Pepe. These coins will be the perfect complement. Just my opinion though.
@@MDSM47 no worries bro! They might do great and I’ll miss out on them… I find all crypto investors value slightly different things and I think that’s a good thing. No use in having a big echo chamber
New sub. There are alot of payoffs going on. I was naive for a few years but can more clearly see it now. There is terrible corruption and manipulations of all sorts. I've actually somehow done well overall but it's a bummer to see how corrupt much of it is, what people will do for money. I have principles but some don't have any whatsoever.
primary reason Holden doesnt like Night riders is the fine print disclosure..? read the one on PEPE: it says same thing cuz its a meme! $pepe coin has no association with Matt Furie or his creation Pepe the Frog. This token is simply paying homage to a meme we all love and recognize. $PEPE is a meme coin with no intrinsic value or expectation of financial return. There is no formal team or roadmap. the coin is completely useless and for entertainment purposes only.
HoldenBlaze; The problem I have with this criticism (FUD) on Matt Flurrie memes is….Why don’t you FUD on BRETT or PEPE & alllllllllll the PEPE derivatives??? Bro none of these are associated with MATT Flurrie in terms of Crypto!! Look you have to be fair balanced when trying to FUDDING people with there investments and especially memes! We know that they are more risk and also more potential as well.
I mean look at the trump meme coins.. Donald trump isn’t actually involved in all of those projects but they still pump regardless if Trump supports those projects… same goes for Pepe, Matt furie wasn’t involved in it but Pepe still pumped To 4bill mrkt cap…at the end of the day all that matters is hype … and there is a strong community of hype and influencers pushing the knight ryders…
@@HoldenBlaize that was a month ago so I’m not to sure what your getting at. We could see how this ages in 25.im not a trader so not interested short term All the best to all
I'm been very bullish on $draggy, and it's paid off greatly. I bought it on its 4th day out....I was nervous for many reasons, but no risk, no reward 📈
This guy is very out of touch with the space. He's a normie midcurver. Matt Furie not being part of the crypto space is well known. You are so late bro.
I went full adderall Lazer focus the other night and spent hours going through close to a year of anything a about a year of every single x mention of turbo and it had me down a rabbit hole and balls deep in eyherscan transactions going back 400 days I haven't put it all together into a coherent like here's slide 1 and so on PowerPoint, but i have a few screenshots that literally on their own are eye raising
This is coming from a guy who literally at one point had 12k into turbo. That would make me what a fish ? Idk but it's not like 50 bucks. I also looked into that community buy crap they did on last Saturday and like clock work that same time like 15 minutes after major whale sell offs
fair point, but WIF differentiated itself by having an actual dog icon and it went somewhat viral earlier this year being on the LV Sphere. Billy is riding the hype of WIF, but it doesn't look particularly special to me personally. WIF was more successful because it wasn't trying to copy another coin, and branded itself without connections to pepe/doge etc. A rising tide lifts all boats but I personally prefer memecoins with strong marketing, viral capabilities, or a narrative that aligns with popular news (for example: AI)
To late to make Big $ on Ponke I will not be buying Ponke night riders have HUGE upside this is what getting N early feels like 👍 🙌 opportunity for Life changing &
@@HoldenBlaize No you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have wasted your time and risked your credibility making this video. Sure we all have a chance of losing 1X of our money, but can't you see the potential of maybe making5X 20X 100X With a probable 10 trillion coming to the total market cap this bull run, and meme's by far being the hottest narrative so far and by the way meme's were the best performing narrative last cycle, I think a lot more people know what there doing this cycle. Nothing sells crypto like green candle's and good looking chart's.
clearly Holden missed the boat and is "salty" I do like Ponke but its "cute" how when he describes Matt he mentions Brett/Andy but not Pepe...lol the best performing asset in past 12 month...Stick with Matt narative.
why do you make a review with 0 facts in it? an opinion your opinion in this case should be based on fact but you have not done any research on those memes yes speak bad about it? how can anyone trust your opinion after that?! you dont know who created those meme you dont know if its a cto whos the dev… you dont know the books! you dont know that matt furie has a wallet where get tokens from those meme you dont know anything! 0 reasearch i unsubscribe
U GO WHERE THE MONEY GO ALL OF THE MEMES BEFORE THESE WETHER IT'S THE SAME CREW OR NOT HAVE BEEN AND ARE SUCCESSFUL SO MAKE MONEY WHEN POSSIBLE U SOUND LIKE A SQUID 😂😂
Do you think the Matt Furie narrative will stay relevant?
100%
Yes 🙌 all 4 will do well this is getting n early giving life changing $ opportunity you got n early to Ponke life changing gains is no longer there buying Ponke gives you better odds to b a bag holder
No. I must admit though that I was drawn towards WAT
yes i made nice gains from them
Yessss it will 100x i think
I think you're wrong mate and you miss out on some serious gains. This cycle will go down as the meme cycle and Matt Furie narrative will be hot. Most new investors coming into the space will be investing in memes and good narrative is one thing that a good meme needs. I see Hoppy passing 1b MC with ez.
for everyone invested, I hope it does! I believe memecoins will in fact do quite well this cycle, however I think new investors will put their money in memes they are familiar with. That is why I'm so bullish on PONKE. Millions of people have already been introduced to PONKE through memes on social media and will FOMO in towards the top after sitting on the sidelines for most of the run up. If HOPPY had even half the social media reach PONKE does I would possibly be bullish
@@HoldenBlaize don't worry, Hoppy is getting there. I started following this project on X early June and it had 2k followers and almost the same amount of holders , now it has over 20k followers and almost 12k holders, beautiful chart, good, active team and it has only been around for a couple of months. If that's not bullish for you, I don't know what is. Ponke will do well too 💪
This is what getting N early feels like
@@HoldenBlaize hoppy will send it 🚀
@@HoldenBlaizeyou think people are gonna put money in bull cycle to make x10 max?
This comment section didn't age very well
Sure? Hoppy got to 140M mcap...
I think you will NOT be proven wrong with the Night Riders. Thank you for the info.
When your argue about Matt furies association with these coins. He dint have any association with Pepe, Brett or any other popular meme coins. But look at where they are at now. They have made millionaires. Something to think about
Aww, stop crying dude. Hoppy is Matt’s first frog, he has a whole video explaining his love for hoppy. It seems you hold lots of Pepe and are afraid Hoppy would overtake Pepe
Exactly
So forget those memes, but invest in Ponke which has a higher market cap with a worse narrative...ok got it 😂
HOPPY and WAT!!!
You may think they wont last but judging from the growth all these memes had it is undeniable that they are the current meme "meta" if you want to call it that. Hoppy and Wat will do very well this year/next year based on how many exchange listings and holder growth they have made in such a short time.
I think we need to talk again about the night riders bro 😂🚀
Who’s here because Hoppy is doing so well? 🎉
I am sure some poor sould sold months ago because of this very. Very sad for them
Hoppy was created 7 years after Pepe, but that's beside the point. PEPE made Matt Furie famous. More specifically, the memers on 4chan, reddit and twitter made Matt Furie's character (Pepe) famous...and recently rich. None of these Pepe impostors are worth shit. Matt Furie IS INTO DIGITAL ART (i.e., NFTs). He has many sets out and one card in the OG Rare Pepes collection from 2016-2018. That is where 90% of my crypto holdings reside. Scarce. Digital. Relics of the early blockchain.
Did comment certainly did not age well at all.😁
@@dreamaremedia7378 Please cite one sentence in my post that is factually inaccurate. I'll save you time, you can't...because it is 100% accurate. I never said it could not or would not pump. Plenty of shit coins pushed by the "cabal" pursuant to fictional narratives have. That said, most people that buy into the narrative lose---bigly.
I’m willing to take the risk 😂
Market cap on Ponke is almost 200 million big gains right now gone you got n early the night riders is an opportunity to get N early
Unfortunately not all meme coins created equal, some higher market cap memes still pump harder due to having much more attraction by retail ....
I appreciate your willingness to share your opinion, even if and when it differs from others. I’m sure many will make a lot of money off memes, but bottom line is more will lose. This perspective helps give people a pause to think for themselves and find their own conviction
I also believe in Spike on Ethereum the one that is pink on pink🚀🚀🚀🚀
We're gonna make millions
@@Cryptojunkieprincess spike 🚀🚀
A new I D I O T youtuber. Hoppy supporter here.
Do you have any idea how much this is helping Matt's book and art sales? He is LOVING this.
Has he made a public comment about it?
I don't get your logic, if Pepe is a character of Matt Furies, and he didn't know about it what's the difference between that and the rest of these meme coins? Wat is already getting some serious listings, The jury is out for draggy and flappy.
Is it possible you just want everyone to put money into Ponke instead of anything else?
Idc what people do, I’m not a financial advisor. Like I stated in the video Pepe is much more recognizable than Hoppy. Brett has the Based narrative behind it as well. I personally would rather put my money elsewhere and I wanted to be transparent with what I am doing. If you like HOPPY over PONKE then buy HOPPY. I’m just voicing my opinion
Ponks market cap is Large kinda late the night riders have small market caps HUGE opportunity
Brett can be easily dumped by the insiders who own a large portion of the project. I personally think the only one that’s promising of all of these is Hoppy. I believe Matt furie mentioned that the Hoppy character was the inspiration for Pepe. I think these potential there atleast. Meme coins are saturated now in the the crypto space now so who knows who will survive in the long run.
Spot on. The way the chart looks now is indicating that they all are pump and dumps. Good call.
Right or wrong your opinion is valid for consideration.
It's something to ponder on
Thanks for your insight.
Appreciate your comment 🤝
They are not all from the same person or team!! You can say the same for Pepe dude...not making sense!
Matt Furie literally said Hoppy is the reason he created Pepe. Go find the video guys. Hoppy narrative is insane. Billions insane
Been in on Hoppy since 3.4 million market 🧢 I can see it reaching 1billion+ in the bull market. People know who Hoppy is because the devs basically copied the apu meme.
Instead of using ur time and energy to fight its better to just Join the Night Riders.. Having both Boys Club and Night Riders you can't lose.. you will win twice..
not sure how i missed this video...? 😫 wish i had seen it when it was posted. might have saved a bit of money if i had pulled before these jenky projects tanked. that's what we get for trusting wolves in sheeps' clothing. 🤦🏻♀️i wanted to say that you've got integrity and thanks for speaking your mind and making videos for us even though you're not trying to con us into being your exit liquidity for pump and dumps. 😂 appreciate you, Holden! 🙏🏽
Looking forward to seeing your video on how "Mindviscocity" by Matt Furie is not a big narrative)))) Please, do it, because it just turns out to prove you wrong :D
Of course crypto had nothing to do with Matt, it all started with Pepe, a lots of these send coins to Matt through his ENS and he sells them. Like it or not more are coming because they might have good logos and are memeable and collectable. I'll stick to NR, if they are pumping then there's a demand, I agree with you on Hoppy
Pepe Unchained's chart looks like early Litecoin, could be massive. 📊🐸
Love your videos mate but im against you on this one. What gives meme coins value is hype and narrative. Some big names are already talking about these coins and the narrative is there because of $Pepe. These coins will be the perfect complement. Just my opinion though.
@@MDSM47 no worries bro! They might do great and I’ll miss out on them… I find all crypto investors value slightly different things and I think that’s a good thing. No use in having a big echo chamber
@@HoldenBlaize Update. In the future I think I’ll just enjoy your videos and shut my mouth 😂Thanks Holden.
$HOPPY holding strong 🚀
New sub. There are alot of payoffs going on. I was naive for a few years but can more clearly see it now. There is terrible corruption and manipulations of all sorts. I've actually somehow done well overall but it's a bummer to see how corrupt much of it is, what people will do for money. I have principles but some don't have any whatsoever.
The crypto media space is very corrupt unfortunately… I agree there is a lot that happens behind the scenes
I do risk 100$ for those, If there is small potential
100$ become into 1000$😂
Nonetheless, still think it’s worth a bag. If you like the team and see consistent progress then it’s a solid project in my opinion! 🎉 cheers y’all
I encourage differing opinions. I do not have a crystal ball and have been wrong many times. I hope the best!
I think it will make Millionaires
Thank you for the video. I admire your honesty and I somehow agree with you.
Pepe Unchained is showing real promise with its smart contract design 🐸🔗
$Draggy so much margin to explore, it will be the highest Matt Furie. $Dolphy for the ones that wants higher profits!!!!
Time will and Marketcap will make you a believer
primary reason Holden doesnt like Night riders is the fine print disclosure..? read the one on PEPE: it says same thing cuz its a meme!
$pepe coin has no association with Matt Furie or his creation Pepe the Frog. This token is simply paying homage to a meme we all love and recognize.
$PEPE is a meme coin with no intrinsic value or expectation of financial return. There is no formal team or roadmap. the coin is completely useless and for entertainment purposes only.
😂😂😂 look at my PEPE video
Make another video about wat please. Thanks
Love the night riders regardless
I hope they pump for you 🚀
Already 2.5X in a week
HoldenBlaze; The problem I have with this criticism (FUD) on Matt Flurrie memes is….Why don’t you FUD on BRETT or PEPE & alllllllllll the PEPE derivatives??? Bro none of these are associated with MATT Flurrie in terms of Crypto!!
Look you have to be fair balanced when trying to FUDDING people with there investments and especially memes! We know that they are more risk and also more potential as well.
This is FUD, know what this means folks ? BUY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too many payoffs. Try to stay true to yourself if you can.
They're not the same
teams. The WAT website and Draggy websites COPIED the Hoppy website.
😱😱😱😱
I have everything
Whole knight rider 4 of them
And boy’s club
Study $LUFI the cat pirate with straw hat, community strong with a bright future 🏴☠️💎
Mate u missed som srs pumps and u will miss more. So respectfully disagree!
I agree with you
Shiba Shootout is giving folks like me a fair shot at making something out of nothing 🎯💪
I think its the idea of archietype, cryptojon and crypto galxy they r the ones promoting it...
Hoppy will do 20% of what pepe does. Don't miss the gains
The next one is Dolphy🐬the hero of the story
Meme Games' blockchain-based warranty system could revolutionize our after-sales service. 🔧🎮
You are very wrong ,look at $HOPPY now ,all of them will pump ,some of them a lot !
Mega Dice Token's use of threshold signatures enhances wallet security 🎲🔐
Hoppy and all i think will flyyyy
Spike on ETH is a sleeping giant. Very low market Cap. Get in now while its dirt cheap.
The Spike on Eth 🚀
I mean look at the trump meme coins.. Donald trump isn’t actually involved in all of those projects but they still pump regardless if Trump supports those projects… same goes for Pepe, Matt furie wasn’t involved in it but Pepe still pumped To 4bill mrkt cap…at the end of the day all that matters is hype … and there is a strong community of hype and influencers pushing the knight ryders…
See whale turbo/pepe on Etherscan , now they hold hoppy too.
really appriciate it , nice content
Night riders🚀🚀🚀🚀
This video will age well
you sir were correct
@@HoldenBlaize that was a month ago so I’m not to sure what your getting at.
We could see how this ages in 25.im not a trader so not interested short term
All the best to all
save this comment mate, we will get back and discuss when i am millionare.
I'm been very bullish on $draggy, and it's paid off greatly. I bought it on its 4th day out....I was nervous for many reasons, but no risk, no reward 📈
This guy is very out of touch with the space. He's a normie midcurver. Matt Furie not being part of the crypto space is well known. You are so late bro.
😱😂😱😂😱😂😱
just throw a 100 and HOLD, maybe you lose almost all of it, or maybe it x100...only time would tell...😊
Why are you hating on night riders?
Just own both!
Or if you dont like it, why try to spread fud when the night riders are obviously loved by many.
Everyone is loving it without actually looking at the projects attached to them…
Buy $FEFE
KISHU KEN the first memcoin on the KADENA ecosystem
The bat is Boppy check it out
$PIPER 🚀🚀🚀
You're down on hoppy cuz flags ? Bro I could show you some sh*t I dug up on turbo... lol
I'd love to hear what you found on TURBO!
Enlighten us please
I left my position in turbo was hoping to buy in lower. What Did you find about turbo?
I went full adderall Lazer focus the other night and spent hours going through close to a year of anything a about a year of every single x mention of turbo and it had me down a rabbit hole and balls deep in eyherscan transactions going back 400 days
I haven't put it all together into a coherent like here's slide 1 and so on PowerPoint, but i have a few screenshots that literally on their own are eye raising
This is coming from a guy who literally at one point had 12k into turbo. That would make me what a fish ? Idk but it's not like 50 bucks. I also looked into that community buy crap they did on last Saturday and like clock work that same time like 15 minutes after major whale sell offs
HOPPY WAT FLAPPY DOOGLE BIRDDOG🥰
And draggy is bigger than wat
Flappy eats boppys droppings
Ohh you missed the turbo train too 👀
Totally…only up 12x at the moment on TURBO 🥲 really missed that boat
@@HoldenBlaize they say this next leg up is going to 5 cents. So no you didn’t miss the boat yet.
look man if Billy and dog wif hat can do what they did why not others ?
fair point, but WIF differentiated itself by having an actual dog icon and it went somewhat viral earlier this year being on the LV Sphere. Billy is riding the hype of WIF, but it doesn't look particularly special to me personally. WIF was more successful because it wasn't trying to copy another coin, and branded itself without connections to pepe/doge etc. A rising tide lifts all boats but I personally prefer memecoins with strong marketing, viral capabilities, or a narrative that aligns with popular news (for example: AI)
@@HoldenBlaizewelcome to turbo
What happened to Aergo
That statement at the bottom is the same statement on Pepe website wtf
Which meme is more popular to the general public? One is universally recognized, the other is completely unknown outside of the crypto sphere
To late to make Big $ on Ponke I will not be buying Ponke night riders have HUGE upside this is what getting N early feels like 👍 🙌 opportunity for Life changing &
I hope they prove me wrong 🚀
@@HoldenBlaize No you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have wasted your time and risked your credibility making this video. Sure we all have a chance of losing 1X of our money, but can't you see the potential of maybe making5X 20X 100X With a probable 10 trillion coming to the total market cap this bull run, and meme's by far being the hottest narrative so far and by the way meme's were the best performing narrative last cycle, I think a lot more people know what there doing this cycle. Nothing sells crypto like green candle's and good looking chart's.
True night riders r an opportunity to make life changing gains
This did not age well at all 🤣
@cryptolifeinc
1 second ago
Nice one, I called hoppy at 5M on my video
I might as well just watch crypto Jon ,even though that fool is way late ....
matt furie mindvicosity book fefe frog fluffy cat
Wat is a a scam
Ok, then don’t buy them lol. Pretty easy
Will do 👍👍👍
Ppl thinking they know what memes are going to do better than others cracks me up. It’s a guessing game…a complete gamble and nothing more
clearly Holden missed the boat and is "salty" I do like Ponke but its "cute" how when he describes Matt he mentions Brett/Andy but not Pepe...lol the best performing asset in past 12 month...Stick with Matt narative.
😂😂👎
Sorry you going to miss out on a lot of money.
😱😱😱
lol change your mind yet
No. You look at PONKE outperforming all the Night Riders since this video came out?
why do you make a review with 0 facts in it? an opinion your opinion in this case should be based on fact but you have not done any research on those memes yes speak bad about it? how can anyone trust your opinion after that?! you dont know who created those meme you dont know if its a cto whos the dev… you dont know the books! you dont know that matt furie has a wallet where get tokens from those meme you dont know anything! 0 reasearch i unsubscribe
Sponge V2 is making a splash in the blockchain space, ready to unleash a tidal wave of innovation! 🧽🌊
Dude you cannot fade hoppy. Hoppy is way more than your imagination and it all started with secret lab. U do your math 😂
if you don't like it don't buy it mate, and watch other people make 100x
U GO WHERE THE MONEY GO ALL OF THE MEMES BEFORE THESE WETHER IT'S THE SAME CREW OR NOT HAVE BEEN AND ARE SUCCESSFUL SO MAKE MONEY WHEN POSSIBLE U SOUND LIKE A SQUID 😂😂
YOU SOUND LIKE A SHEEP 😂😂🐑
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