war thunder repairs are complete bullshit did you just scratch your tracks gotta repair it becomes the team shells absorver and carries the team to victory gotta repair the damage and cuz of this shit i just need one match during the day that my loadout gets destroyed and iam broke i cant afford anything else .
@@zavienyoung7117 it's not "german DM43", it's "the shell known as DM43 to the Germans". What's the difference? Wehraboos should know that DM43/OFL F1 is a franco-german development programme. The shell is not "german" it's "franco-german". Just saying "german DM43" would be fine if every time someone said that, they also said "which is the french OFL 120 F1". But they don't, hence triggered
Both Leclerc and Leopard 2A5 are too advanced for the game. Both had to be artifically nerfed (armour and reload for both tanks especially). edit. just to stay in clear, by armour nerf for Leclerc, i mean UFP (upper glacis, the extremely sloped one) missing approx. 200mm of KE protection, while Leopard 2A5 having B2-tech armour instead of C-tech. It should have ~480mm against the strongest APFSDS in the game if it had C-tech actually.
They went way too fast with tanks. The fact that we have late 50s planes (with the only exception of T-2K) at the same BR as 90s tanks always bugged me
I did not say that that specific shot was the reason the Leclerc outclasses the 2A5..... It was just the most obvious time to point out that it is the better tank, and the killing of a 2A5 with the tank that now outclasses it was more symbolic than anything else. The specific method of killing it is completely irrelevant... I could have killed it with artillery and still said in that moment "the Leclerc outclasses the 2A5", it really has nothing to do with that specific kill, it was just the obvious time to say it
Thanks for your response Koala and I think your reasoning is perfectly fine I just wanted to put in a cheeky little meme when I had the opportunity to do it. No hate on you bro I really enjoy watching your content, keep up the good work. :D
@@le_combattant2458 people don't rush much in the Abrams as I see people are starting to camp and if they do rush its to cap first but even then none of these play styles going to help beat Germany Russia and French
@@le_combattant2458 The Abrams also can't sit back because it has the weakest top tier turret that gets penned by everything, everywhere and then dies because the blast doors don't work. Its also the same speed as the rest of the top tiers now.
Koala please, this thing has so many holes in its armor. The entire UFP is half of how strong it should be, any top tier APFSDS can one shot you almost anywhere on that plate. Not to mention the mantlet and the optics over the gunner which causes areas of the turret front to have 54mm of protection
UFP is easily penetrable in protection analysis, but is actually very bouncy in actual gameplay. (bottom line - don't trust Protection Analysis!) The mantlet is a weak spot on every top tier tank, and it doesn't really matter whether or not it has 250mm or 85mm protecting it... every round will go through regardless. It does not however have a turret ring weak spot, which is the bane of most NATO tanks.
The reload of the Leclerc is 10 rounds per minute when stationary. This reduces to roughly 6 rounds per minute on the move. 12 rounds per minute are possible but this leads to jams of the autoloader mechanism.
@@Tetemovies4 i have a feeling you have your head up your ass. Go check out: Chassillan, Marc (2005). Char Leclerc: De la guerre froide aux conflits de demain. Also >ruclips.net/video/y5HbdyMvsnU/видео.html
@@smithbennington4569 AMX-56 Leclerc, aka how Sweds called it in their official document, but it is not a tank from AMX company, 56 supposedly came from its weight. It's official designation is Leclerc.
M1A1 is superior to the T-80U to be fair... It's the Tunguska that's more of a threat, and as of this patch the Tunguska is completely and totally outclassed by the Bradats anyway
@@theScottishKoala yes the abrams is better than the t80u when compared 1 on 1. But when it's low easy to conceal silhouette is combined with the panic that is caused by the massive in your face 2a5 the t80u becomes an incredible tank. All three tanks piggyback off each other almost perfectly. The t80us flanking and spanking, the leclercs Frontline performance, and the 2a5s middle map defense and long range sniping.
@@subject204ghost3 Honestly in a 1v1, no, the T-80U wins. But War Thunder isn't a game about 1v1's, and over the course of a regular battle, the T-80U is more likely to die and less likely to score high numbers of kills than the M1A1 is (barring individual player skill of course)
@@TheJimyyy I dont think the 2a7 is the best. It might have more armor (although im not quite sure about the hull) but overall, the Leclerc is still faster and still packs the best muzzle velocity (thus armor penetration) among Nato tanks
@@TheJimyyy On the paper, Leclerc is better than leo. Faster, smaller, reloads faster, hits harder. For the Armor : Leos (not 2a7 tho) suffered from several ammorack explosions from frontal hits of anti tank ammo. Leclerc only got penetrated once frontally and the tank was good to go after repair. Then we have the Abrams. This one is the only one which is combat proven. We could call im the best mbt then.
Can’t wait for you to play with the new Italian tank. Starts off stock with Dam33 and the you can get a better round that get more than 600mm of pen. Why is it so hard to get M833 ,Silver Bullets, and HA for the US tree. While Japan gets a license production of m833 at 8.7. Ok Gaijin, we get it. We finally understand that you hate the American tree.
i wouldnt call the reload unrealistic unless we are talking from a standing position . from what i recall lecler MBTs could even reach 10 sec of reload time when on the move so i would clal this as a pass . A great addition for the french so a 1 sec reload isnt a big problem :D
The only Challenger 2 upgrade that would make a difference in game is the test variant made for export (Challenger 2E I think?) With a more powerful engine. Gaijoobles pls
@@LSgaming201 because the Challenger is arguably inferior due to the lower mobility and huge weakspots... but to be fair an M1A1HA/M1A2 is starting to become really needed, US win ratio hasn't stopped dropping in the last months
@@LSgaming201 because the challenger 2 is incredibly meh... Whilst the M1 Abrams are all fun and fast and the tier top Russian mbt ( the name keeps slipping from me) has amazing frontal armour.
Between the 2a5 and leclerc, i still prefer the 2a5, it's like the old comparision of the 2a4 vs type90 or abrams vs type90, the type 90 had a more consistent armor profile than the other two and by far a better round, but survability was and still being the bane of existence of the type90 and after several games, it will be the bane of the leclerc
@@cedjoe6 There is evidence including reports of it happening, hence why it is modeled that way in game. Denying the existence of evidence isn't the same as discrediting it my friend.
@@theScottishKoala Then show me those reports (hint : they doesn't even exist). Gaijin didn't model composite plates and parts of the canon breach extend further in the seemingly empty space.
It was nerfed to 6 sec reload because if it has 5 sec then it going to be straight a better vehicle than the Type 90 obviously. Even it has 6 sec it is still better than type 90.
@@MessInMines they were being developed in the 90's, but with the fall of the USSR and the experience of the Gulf War, it was decided that normal shells were perfectly fit for the job (also why the Leclerc Terminateur with a 140mm gun was discontinued). So the shells exist/existed and were intended for us, but really were never fielded
@@dryaldibread2327 Koala is for better of for worse an "influencer" in the War Thunder community. If an influencer says a vehicle is OP, most people that don't actually own the vehicle will believe it is. Next thing you know people getting killed by said vehicle regularly will attribute their death to the vehicle being overpowered regardless of the enemy player's skill. This leads to a general hate of the vehicle (because obv overall tank hate spreads far more easily than specific player's skill) and to angry customers for gaijin. If it gets bad enouth gaijin may nerf the thing just to calm the hate. This may sound stupid but this sadly has more truth to it than I'd like to admit... Although TBH the WT community isn't big enouth for this to force gaijin to do anything, but the other problems still remain. What really worries me is the risk of gaijin putting an insane repair cost tag on it if players start to complain that it's OP. FYI the Leclerc still has some problems from the last dev server that are not yet fixed. The frontal hull armor is bugged, the acceleration is slower than it's supposed to be, and from the bug reports on the WT forum the transmision seems to wrong with some forward gears missing, wich could be the reason the tank doesn't accelerate quite as fast as it's supposed to. TLDR: Don't say it's OP before people get used to fighting it and it will most likely be very slightly buffed soon so calm the frick down. It might get an insane repair tho.
Ahhh all the people grinding out the French tree for this and then regret it when you get to the AMX and finally die of insanity when you get to the leclerc
"Look at this, we are just slaughtering abrams after abrams!" YOU DON'T SAY?! Been that way since the M1A1 was introduced along side the ridiculously OP Leo2A5, but you know... GeRmAnY sUfFeRs!
So shall the challenger 2 get a historical buff lol? Maybe Megatron or black knight? You can get the turret armour on the challenger 2 to be 1300 ke or 2100 Chemical but you have to aim round the edges.
The challenger hasn't needed armour upgrades though, the armour is far more superior than most MBT's. Hopefully they fix that in game, but I agree there should be either the combat package or another modern variant. Megatron>:)
upper front plate is a one shot if you hit around the middle or to the right of thew upper hull because it kills the driver and commander knocking out 2 out of 3 crew. I keep one shotting it easy in any top tier tank with over 250mm of pen
True, it's fragile, but I do find the ufp to be quite bouncy so long as you're not angled down towards the enemies. Also, in my experience, not many people actually shoot for it... I guess they just don't trust it NOT to bounce
May that be true I have yet to bounce off it and will keep killing them with one shot as I have been doing. The armor model says it has around 580mm of armor on the front plate then says 250mm against other rounds? may be just me but I don't understand what its trying to say with the armor model
Honestly they didnt need to introduce it with OFL120 F1 since when it has been introduced into french service it used the same OFL120 G1 the AMX40 used OFL120F1 didnt come around for some time till it has been put into service also, OFL120F1 is also known as LKE 1 , a joint development betwen france and germany, and is in german service with the name of DM43, Germany should receive this on the Leo2A5 The C1 usses an israeli M322 shell and from what i could find that Sabot isnt even 10 years old yet.....
Germany has never used DM43 on any tank even in training... I do agree with the shell choices - I expected we'd get the S1 with the same shells as the AMX-40, and then in later patches get the S3 with the OFL 120 F1. Hopefully Gaijin amends it to this in future
@@eyyze interesting, i know that the Leo2A5 was one of i think 3 projects that the Bundeswehr wanted to take on Uparmor, Upgun and then completly overhaul and improve the Leopard2 as a fighting system. Part 1 was suposed to be firepower which got delayed because of unsatisfieing results. seems like DM43 was the cause of this then since they ended up opting for new amo and a better gun Part2 an armor upgrade in form the the arowhead aplique and also enahcned hull armor, the turret modifications beeing aplied on the 2A5 leo and part 3 whcih was suposed to be a complete overhaul with the experimental 140mm whcih ended up going nowhere the more you know
T-80U,2A5,Leclerc,Ariete in one team every single battle nice balance Gajjob rly nice work. This is exactly why I can't recommend WT to others I simply can't. The only reason I am still playing WT tanks is that SQUAD still doesn't have Chally 2 and that there is sim where those OP tanks like 2A5,Leclerc,Ariete are on my side.
Can we put these new tanks at 11.0? There's no reason for a better Type 90 to be at the same BR. Or the 2A5 to be at the same BR as the M1A1 or (god forbid) the M1 and M1IP.
Damm the AMX-56 is so OP! They need to give the US the M1A4 and Russia the T-99 immediately! Edit: But on a serious note: the US needs the M1A2 and Russians need the T90MS. Japan getting the Type-10 and them fixing the Type-90 Turret as well.
I feel like later on, when the game has more modern vehicles, they should make this historically accurate. It would be more satisfying as we would know we’d have the real thing! But what I’m looking forward to is more on the aviation side of the French tech tree; Mirage, etc...
pls talk about how the Type 16 has the same model armor arrow head armor but smaller ingame as the Leo 2A5 spaced armor that i was saying was on the type 10 that i was saying would be model the same if added if the Type 10 or 16 was ever added.
@@theScottishKoala ah well you finaly have come to the conclusion that it is arrow head armor but smaller. look you didnt have to be ignorant because i was right . like i was saying it is arrow head armor smaller. arrow head spaced armor can be any size by definition
@@hitoshisawa8479 I never said it wasn't an arrowhead... I simply said its not anything like the 2A5's. It's not designed for that purpose and its not going to offer up the same type of protection
@@theScottishKoala i have screen shots that say other wise and it was intended to incresse protection against apdfs on the type 10 and type 16 and chemical rounds i am more the willing to share them
@@hitoshisawa8479 It adds protection yes, but not the same type of protection that the Leopard 2's arrowhead does. It doesn't cause rounds to wobble in the space in between the arrowhead and the inner turret cheeks... it's just your basic spaced armor. It will have a noticeable increase in chemical protection mind. If the intention of the Type 10's arrowhead was to increase protection in the same way that the Leopard 2A5 does, then I'm sorry but its designers fucked up. It is just not enough space.
I get I shot all the time with the Leclec. That said around 25% of Encounters have me bounce a single shell. Only once did my armor play a large factor where 3 M1 were shooting me frontal and failing, I bounced 7 or 8 shots before getting shot from behind.
Trying to tier up my Germans yesterday, playing the leopard 2k. Get one shot by a BT-7 whose shell hits the rear of the tank, goes through the engine block and explodes, killing the entire crew. When you say anything can one-shot you at top tier, you aint kidding...
Remember when Abrams in WT was a crazy idea (the 105mm)? I do, not that I don't support newer, more modern MBTs I just think WT has shot itself in the foot. My point being Gaijin bit off more then it could chew.
best tank in game is t80 komrade, kontakt 5 filled with stalin bless makes you survive any type of bullshit shot at you(i know kontakt 5 is really advanced but sometimes im trully amazed the stuff soviet MBTs can bounce, from my experience the t 64b in special)
I don't mean to sound like a Freeaboo, but do you believe that American tanks are lagging behind other nations in War Thunder? Sure the M1A1 had the highest penetration of the last patch, but it hasn't even the slightest bit of armor to protect against even some high-pen APFSDS shells. Hell, the M1A1 is the only practical Abrams variant to use at top tier, especially given that at 10.0 the basic and IP Abrams have a maximum of 360mm of penetration, when Russia and Germany have shells with significantly more penetration. Should the Americans start getting better shells for the Abrams to warrant the 10.0 BR and act as Top-Tier M18s, or should they be moved down in BR with the same shells? And Is it even reasonable to ask for an M1A1 HA with all the other more current tanks rolling around? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask for the M1A2?
I certainly think an M1A1HA is warranted to combat tanks like the 2A5 and Leclerc, and if you've seen my videos in the past regarding potential future tanks like the M1A2, T-90A or Type 10, I actually did suggest that the M1 be given M833, while the M1IP could be given M900 and move UP in battle rating 10 10.3 (The M1A1 would be 10.7, the M1A1HA being 11.0)
Abrams and Challenger's would knock everyone out of the park if they were accurate but for a tank with amazing mobility and the other with superior armour gaijin says...NO
Dunno but right now the top tier tanks don't seem so imbalanced. Challenger 2 might be tricky to play because it is slow. Type 90 is a good alrounder, the Abrams is pretty decent in armor, has the 3rd best shell in game and might be the fastest MBT? The Leclerc is a very fine alround, where the Type 90 has 1 sec less reload the Leclerc has some more survivability. The Ariete doesn't have the best armor but the very best apfsds with 600+ mm of penetration and, unlike the AMX 40 does, a proper scope. The T-80 got decent ammo, decent armor and decent mobility and a very low profile. The Leopard 2A5 is a very good tank but not really stronger than the others. Sure it's turret cheeks won't be penetrated just as the turret cheeks of the Challenger 2 won't, but everything else is nothing special. Barely saw anyone play it hull down and I killed it the easiest with the NATO MBT killing turret ring shot. Every MBT can be played hull down nicely but obviously it get's easier the more armor is protecting the turret. I don't notice big differences in my Hull down plays though. The Challenger 2 has a reload of 5.3 seconds or something, if I am not mistaken, although it is using 2 piece ammo which should make that reload speed impossible. I'm no fan of balancing that transforms a historical/real tank into a fantasy tank. Armor values are obviously not reliable but the unrealistic reload time of Leclerc does annoy me already.
I feel like top teir could use a massive br rework it's either planned to be done like this based off the rapidly of vehicles being added with little balance of a massive nerf maybe coming?
99% sure the 5s reload on the irl leclerc is only once the breach is already alligned with the autoloader. There is more time for bringing it in line and then laying the gun after the reload
@@theScottishKoala not directly, though what ive read is that 12 rounds per minute is the maximum fire rate when tested. Thus it logically follows that this would be when the gun is fixed at the angle of loading to minimize time between shots.
This thing, the 2A5 and aT-80U with working Kontakt-5 should be 11.0 without a doubt, but Gaijin wouldnt have that 8.7 sweetspot to sell premiums anymore if that was the case so fuck all will change. Once again Greed > actuall balance
More and more Gaijin seems to be adding hype vehicles with no counters, and throwing off the balance of whatever tier they enter. Like the T-2, and the 2A5, and now the Leclerc. Would it really be that difficult to make sure you add other, balanced vehicles when you add a highly anticipated vehicle? And if you can't balance it through the proper balancing mechanic, the battle rating system and NOT the economy, then don't add it at all.
Neet LifeofBoris voice on the durp shot on the heli. Seeing this thing move, yeah what was that about larger maps would be a bad idea. Seriously even Alaska is a bit to klusterfobic even for low tier and especially top tier.
Look like thay create weak spots to makes it destructible. It 52 caliber gun soot the same ammo than the M1 and Leopard2 and should have same penetration and also the new ammo that the Leo2 120mm 55 caliber shoot too. both the best ammo in the western tanks. It has been tested by the UAE and it was imprevious to its own ammo. It stop a L52 1200 mm apfds. Also it has an autoloader and can shoot in 5 second a new round. The hunter killer mode allow to have a second target one the gunner shoot the firts. So it is continius fire.
Against the US, Brits, and Japan like will always happen the Leo2A5 is still better. You don't need the extra pen values from the Leclerc and they can pen your upper hull with stock shells while the 2A5 has no such weakpoint. The only tank that can pen the 2A5 reliably is always sided with it.
So I have an issue. Why is the M1 always out classed. Example the M1A1 is a 80s tank. Where is the French and Italian’s get 90s tanks that just RIP. I think you are right, time to get some M1A1HA.
Koala... any chance you could mention to the snail fekers that the Amx-30 Super, including this... sound like a Challenger 1 mk2/mk3 and Challenger 2. Sort it out.
He Koala, I would advise you try other rounds on the gunner armor on the Leclerc. There's a bug. If you use any round with above 500mm of pen, it'll be rated at 500mm protection. But if you use any round with under 500mm of pen, the gunner armor will be rated at 600mm. Could you address that in the future?
Dear Mr Koala, I have played 230 hours of this game and never seem to be able to force myself to induce the pain and addiction necessary to grind to the high-end tiers like 5-6-7. So I'd like to ask if you could review/talk more about the lower tiers of planes and tanks, cause I think a lot of players end up playing there and never really finding themselves with main battle tanks and jets. I just think I would enjoy some content talking/discussing lower tier vehicles. I am not saying to replace the content, just a different mix, please :)
Leo2a5 teamed with leclerks, arietes and T80s vs challengers and abrams with 8.7 shells. Nice one gayjin.
Facts
yup
Give it a year and gaijin will die
Lol sure
@@0waffel0 They can't truly die until some one makes a game similar to this and is alot better than that's when it will start going down fast
6k repair cost, play this tank now soon it gonna have a 20k+ repair cost
Hopefully everything gets dropped down to 6k but we all know that won't happen
8k when its full
hope he will not go up
and Leo2a5 lowered to 12-13k
If leopard 2a5 drops at 12k abrams should cost about 2-3k
well it is one of the most expensive tanks in the world irl after all ^^.
war thunder repairs are complete bullshit
did you just scratch your tracks gotta repair it
becomes the team shells absorver and carries the team to victory gotta repair the damage and cuz of this shit i just need one match during the day that my loadout gets destroyed and
iam broke i cant afford anything else .
"German DM43"
*triggered french typing in the comments*
I main the british and the americans but did grind the Leclerc and that was based on using it and facing it
you can look up what OFL 120 F1 is (German DM43 in French service under the name OFL 120 F1)
@@zavienyoung7117 it's not "german DM43", it's "the shell known as DM43 to the Germans".
What's the difference? Wehraboos should know that DM43/OFL F1 is a franco-german development programme. The shell is not "german" it's "franco-german".
Just saying "german DM43" would be fine if every time someone said that, they also said "which is the french OFL 120 F1". But they don't, hence triggered
@@MadManchou en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_Rh-120 use that link and go down to the Ammunition Table and look at DM43.
"Notes - In French service as the OFL 120 F1 round"
Both Leclerc and Leopard 2A5 are too advanced for the game. Both had to be artifically nerfed (armour and reload for both tanks especially).
edit. just to stay in clear, by armour nerf for Leclerc, i mean UFP (upper glacis, the extremely sloped one) missing approx. 200mm of KE protection, while Leopard 2A5 having B2-tech armour instead of C-tech. It should have ~480mm against the strongest APFSDS in the game if it had C-tech actually.
Thats true
All the tanks are nerfed, except maybe the Russians
Indeed T80U and T64 armour values are correct, wonder why...
@@guilhermesada5840 T-64 values are far from correct
They went way too fast with tanks. The fact that we have late 50s planes (with the only exception of T-2K) at the same BR as 90s tanks always bugged me
did I hear Boris at 06:40!!!Cultured son of a gun
i think it is lol
he does play this game
Koala: shoots Leo 2A5 in the side where he is totally helpless
Also Koala: you just got outclassed
Leo 2A5: am I a joke to you?
I did not say that that specific shot was the reason the Leclerc outclasses the 2A5..... It was just the most obvious time to point out that it is the better tank, and the killing of a 2A5 with the tank that now outclasses it was more symbolic than anything else. The specific method of killing it is completely irrelevant... I could have killed it with artillery and still said in that moment "the Leclerc outclasses the 2A5", it really has nothing to do with that specific kill, it was just the obvious time to say it
would have been diffrent if they had looked at each other
Exactly
Thanks for your response Koala and I think your reasoning is perfectly fine I just wanted to put in a cheeky little meme when I had the opportunity to do it.
No hate on you bro I really enjoy watching your content, keep up the good work. :D
@@theScottishKoala I have a hunch that it was just a joke
Gajin kinda forgot that top tier is unplayable for US/UK so they kinda made it more unplayable for US/UK.
90% of the time the French end up on UK/US side, soooo... I guess.... yyay?
@@benoitbvg2888 90% of the time french end up teaming with Germany not us/uk
@@le_combattant2458 people don't rush much in the Abrams as I see people are starting to camp and if they do rush its to cap first but even then none of these play styles going to help beat Germany Russia and French
@@le_combattant2458 The Abrams also can't sit back because it has the weakest top tier turret that gets penned by everything, everywhere and then dies because the blast doors don't work. Its also the same speed as the rest of the top tiers now.
6:48
Challenger working as intended.
My-yeeees!
koala killed by British tanks mm yes.....
Koala please, this thing has so many holes in its armor. The entire UFP is half of how strong it should be, any top tier APFSDS can one shot you almost anywhere on that plate. Not to mention the mantlet and the optics over the gunner which causes areas of the turret front to have 54mm of protection
UFP is easily penetrable in protection analysis, but is actually very bouncy in actual gameplay. (bottom line - don't trust Protection Analysis!)
The mantlet is a weak spot on every top tier tank, and it doesn't really matter whether or not it has 250mm or 85mm protecting it... every round will go through regardless.
It does not however have a turret ring weak spot, which is the bane of most NATO tanks.
Well it’s not like it’s an abrams where shoot beside breach,enters tank hits ammo storage where blowout doors are and 1 shots you every time...
The reload of the Leclerc is 10 rounds per minute when stationary. This reduces to roughly 6 rounds per minute on the move. 12 rounds per minute are possible but this leads to jams of the autoloader mechanism.
I have a feeling you're pulling those numbers out of your ass.
@@Tetemovies4 i have a feeling you have your head up your ass. Go check out: Chassillan, Marc (2005). Char Leclerc: De la guerre froide aux conflits de demain. Also >ruclips.net/video/y5HbdyMvsnU/видео.html
Im going to say it now
*AMX 56*
*REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Comrade Katyusha i don’t get it?
@@smithbennington4569 AMX-56 Leclerc, aka how Sweds called it in their official document, but it is not a tank from AMX company, 56 supposedly came from its weight. It's official designation is Leclerc.
They forbid us from saying "weeb", but they allow this.... SMH.
Scottishkoala- “this is the best tank in the game”
*LAUGHS IN ITALIAN*
Actually i EAT everything with my Leclerc, your 625 Apfsds dont deal enough damage , or over pen ....
sad reality
Leclerc mantelet pen by 25mm gun irl?
Too much single malt wisky is killing your logical mind
Nope, it's only 80mm protection there and there are autocannons that have been reported to penetrate it
The 3 best top tier tanks on the same team. The t80u, the 2a5, and the leclerc.
Explains the 30% winrate of the abrams and challenger...
M1A1 is superior to the T-80U to be fair... It's the Tunguska that's more of a threat, and as of this patch the Tunguska is completely and totally outclassed by the Bradats anyway
@@theScottishKoala yes the abrams is better than the t80u when compared 1 on 1. But when it's low easy to conceal silhouette is combined with the panic that is caused by the massive in your face 2a5 the t80u becomes an incredible tank. All three tanks piggyback off each other almost perfectly. The t80us flanking and spanking, the leclercs Frontline performance, and the 2a5s middle map defense and long range sniping.
@@subject204ghost3 Honestly in a 1v1, no, the T-80U wins. But War Thunder isn't a game about 1v1's, and over the course of a regular battle, the T-80U is more likely to die and less likely to score high numbers of kills than the M1A1 is (barring individual player skill of course)
Use Ariete instead of vodka tank and u are right.
this game play doesn't do this tank justice its very powerful
It doesn't do justice to any of the modern tanks
thejimyyy The Leclerc is on par if not better than every modern tank and virtually every tank is outclassed by the Leopard 2a7 including the abrams.
@@TheJimyyy I dont think the 2a7 is the best. It might have more armor (although im not quite sure about the hull) but overall, the Leclerc is still faster and still packs the best muzzle velocity (thus armor penetration) among Nato tanks
@@TheJimyyy You don't have any clue man xD. M1 Abrams saw combat but that's pretty much it, the others nato mbts didn't fought any "serious" conflict.
@@TheJimyyy On the paper, Leclerc is better than leo. Faster, smaller, reloads faster, hits harder.
For the Armor :
Leos (not 2a7 tho) suffered from several ammorack explosions from frontal hits of anti tank ammo. Leclerc only got penetrated once frontally and the tank was good to go after repair.
Then we have the Abrams. This one is the only one which is combat proven. We could call im the best mbt then.
I imagine when gaijin will include the leclerc "terminator" in his game .With his 140 mm, i think some MBTs will have a second ass .
its bugged, me and my friend came to a conclusion that the UFP all over is 500mm NERA, even where the armor is thinest
Source?
@@rickdubbink there is none, we played against it, and he could not pen the UFP where its thinest, and he was using M829
@@Laems2809 but i still pen it all the time with M829?
Can’t wait for you to play with the new Italian tank. Starts off stock with Dam33 and the you can get a better round that get more than 600mm of pen. Why is it so hard to get M833 ,Silver Bullets, and HA for the US tree. While Japan gets a license production of m833 at 8.7. Ok Gaijin, we get it. We finally understand that you hate the American tree.
Leclerc is good stuff but your IGN is God Tier
The Leclerc hull down is very, very fun!
i wouldnt call the reload unrealistic unless we are talking from a standing position . from what i recall lecler MBTs could even reach 10 sec of reload time when on the move so i would clal this as a pass . A great addition for the french so a 1 sec reload isnt a big problem :D
Really liked the video man, got a new sub right there.
Because they've added the type 16 which started production in 2016-ish does that mean they could add the challenger 2 Megatron pack?
Wouldn't really help anyway... no new shells, not enough new armor to matter, just more weight on an already morbidly obese tank
The only Challenger 2 upgrade that would make a difference in game is the test variant made for export (Challenger 2E I think?) With a more powerful engine. Gaijoobles pls
The americans dont have the m1a2 and the russians dont have the t-90 so why would they put the challenger 2 upgrade pack in the game
@@LSgaming201 because the Challenger is arguably inferior due to the lower mobility and huge weakspots... but to be fair an M1A1HA/M1A2 is starting to become really needed, US win ratio hasn't stopped dropping in the last months
@@LSgaming201 because the challenger 2 is incredibly meh... Whilst the M1 Abrams are all fun and fast and the tier top Russian mbt ( the name keeps slipping from me) has amazing frontal armour.
The tank was designed to fight 1 VS 4. They went for small and fast design with a powerful and quick reloading gun.
@@Blackoff556 Actually baseless rumour.
Between the 2a5 and leclerc, i still prefer the 2a5, it's like the old comparision of the 2a4 vs type90 or abrams vs type90, the type 90 had a more consistent armor profile than the other two and by far a better round, but survability was and still being the bane of existence of the type90 and after several games, it will be the bane of the leclerc
I still use normal M1 with 360 mm shell and I'm destroying everything with ease but 360mm is just a troll from gayjin m1 deserves old 415 mm shell
* deserve its regular irl standard ammo aka M833.
20mm autocannons CANNOT penetrate the Leclerc’s mantlet.
All evidence to the contrary
theScottishKoala there’s no evidence of that, it’s just classified and the rumors about it being penetrated are false.
@@cedjoe6 There is evidence including reports of it happening, hence why it is modeled that way in game.
Denying the existence of evidence isn't the same as discrediting it my friend.
@@theScottishKoala Then show me those reports (hint : they doesn't even exist). Gaijin didn't model composite plates and parts of the canon breach extend further in the seemingly empty space.
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It was nerfed to 6 sec reload because if it has 5 sec then it going to be straight a better vehicle than the Type 90 obviously.
Even it has 6 sec it is still better than type 90.
@@JFIN-fk7hu
And Type 90 has 4-3 second reload IRL, so.
Both are very similar in ceonception
TSK before 1.89 : "Leo 2A5 needs to be even higher than Leclerc in BR"
TSK after 1.89 : this
Literally no frenchman ever : *surprised pikachu face*
The thing is, I was referring to the Leopard 2A5 having access to DM53 when I said that
@@theScottishKoala Well Leclerc had DU shells developped for it, soooo
@@MadManchou I believe they were not yet developped at the time the Leclerc S1 was made. Not sure if the Leclerc we have ingame is still a S1 tho...
@@MessInMines they were being developed in the 90's, but with the fall of the USSR and the experience of the Gulf War, it was decided that normal shells were perfectly fit for the job (also why the Leclerc Terminateur with a 140mm gun was discontinued). So the shells exist/existed and were intended for us, but really were never fielded
Please don't say it's the best tank un the game or it gonna be cursed like the AMX-50 ans the Lorraine 40T
Are you dumb or what? The tank doesn't get nerfed because one ytbr says its OP.
@@dryaldibread2327 Koala is for better of for worse an "influencer" in the War Thunder community.
If an influencer says a vehicle is OP, most people that don't actually own the vehicle will believe it is.
Next thing you know people getting killed by said vehicle regularly will attribute their death to the vehicle being overpowered regardless of the enemy player's skill.
This leads to a general hate of the vehicle (because obv overall tank hate spreads far more easily than specific player's skill) and to angry customers for gaijin.
If it gets bad enouth gaijin may nerf the thing just to calm the hate.
This may sound stupid but this sadly has more truth to it than I'd like to admit...
Although TBH the WT community isn't big enouth for this to force gaijin to do anything, but the other problems still remain.
What really worries me is the risk of gaijin putting an insane repair cost tag on it if players start to complain that it's OP.
FYI the Leclerc still has some problems from the last dev server that are not yet fixed.
The frontal hull armor is bugged, the acceleration is slower than it's supposed to be, and from the bug reports on the WT forum the transmision seems to wrong with some forward gears missing, wich could be the reason the tank doesn't accelerate quite as fast as it's supposed to.
TLDR: Don't say it's OP before people get used to fighting it and it will most likely be very slightly buffed soon so calm the frick down. It might get an insane repair tho.
the moment you relize this is at the same br as the 105 abrams......
Just dont bother with USA and British at 10.0
Leave them and let their winrate drop below 15%..
Damn top tier is getting more and more insane.
Ahhh all the people grinding out the French tree for this and then regret it when you get to the AMX and finally die of insanity when you get to the leclerc
I got a joke:
The Leclerc and M1 Abrams share the same BR.
And ?
Americans IRL : ABROOMS BEST TANK
Americans in WT : Leclerc armor piercing fin-stabilized baguette OP pls nerf
That helicopter shoot makes me think of that time I hit a helicopter head on with an atgm and it did squat.
And the poor 105 M1’s are still at the same BR with their crappy APFSDS rounds. Gaijin has no idea what they are doing at top tier right now.
Lest we forget when the Leo A1A1 at 9.7 when stock. It can't do anything unless you caught the tanks on their sides.
@@Korean_Crayon It was never above 9.0........
"Look at this, we are just slaughtering abrams after abrams!"
YOU DON'T SAY?!
Been that way since the M1A1 was introduced along side the ridiculously OP Leo2A5, but you know... GeRmAnY sUfFeRs!
wish i spent time on tanks. to actually get good an be at top tier
but I am gonna settle with watching lads who are actually good at them :)
Being at top tier is overrated, get to tiers III-IV, maybe V, for more fun
@@pieeater108 it may very well be overrated, but I would like to experience top tier at least
UltraSpartan yeah fair, I’d say overall it’s worth it, but for consistency in fun go mid tier
@@pieeater108 fair enough :)
So shall the challenger 2 get a historical buff lol?
Maybe Megatron or black knight?
You can get the turret armour on the challenger 2 to be 1300 ke or 2100 Chemical but you have to aim round the edges.
The challenger hasn't needed armour upgrades though, the armour is far more superior than most MBT's. Hopefully they fix that in game, but I agree there should be either the combat package or another modern variant. Megatron>:)
@@oldguard8775 yeah Megatron so we can all pretend to be Transformers lol
@@oldguard8775 Challenger 2's armor in game is actually OVER performing against KE, but quite underperforming against chemical
@@theScottishKoala Well for Dorchester and it's specifications overshadowing other armour types , only time will tell..
upper front plate is a one shot if you hit around the middle or to the right of thew upper hull because it kills the driver and commander knocking out 2 out of 3 crew. I keep one shotting it easy in any top tier tank with over 250mm of pen
True, it's fragile, but I do find the ufp to be quite bouncy so long as you're not angled down towards the enemies. Also, in my experience, not many people actually shoot for it... I guess they just don't trust it NOT to bounce
May that be true I have yet to bounce off it and will keep killing them with one shot as I have been doing. The armor model says it has around 580mm of armor on the front plate then says 250mm against other rounds? may be just me but I don't understand what its trying to say with the armor model
Honestly they didnt need to introduce it with OFL120 F1 since when it has been introduced into french service it used the same OFL120 G1 the AMX40 used
OFL120F1 didnt come around for some time till it has been put into service
also, OFL120F1 is also known as LKE 1 , a joint development betwen france and germany, and is in german service with the name of DM43, Germany should receive this on the Leo2A5
The C1 usses an israeli M322 shell and from what i could find that Sabot isnt even 10 years old yet.....
Germany has never used DM43 on any tank even in training...
I do agree with the shell choices - I expected we'd get the S1 with the same shells as the AMX-40, and then in later patches get the S3 with the OFL 120 F1. Hopefully Gaijin amends it to this in future
@@theScottishKoala germany never used DM43? O.o thats new to me
@@JohnF0X They found DM43 to be a failure and immediately started working on DM53. French on the other hand...
@@eyyze interesting, i know that the Leo2A5 was one of i think 3 projects that the Bundeswehr wanted to take on
Uparmor, Upgun and then completly overhaul and improve the Leopard2 as a fighting system.
Part 1 was suposed to be firepower which got delayed because of unsatisfieing results. seems like DM43 was the cause of this then since they ended up opting for new amo and a better gun
Part2 an armor upgrade in form the the arowhead aplique and also enahcned hull armor, the turret modifications beeing aplied on the 2A5 leo
and part 3 whcih was suposed to be a complete overhaul with the experimental 140mm whcih ended up going nowhere
the more you know
T-80U,2A5,Leclerc,Ariete in one team every single battle nice balance Gajjob rly nice work. This is exactly why I can't recommend WT to others I simply can't. The only reason I am still playing WT tanks is that SQUAD still doesn't have Chally 2 and that there is sim where those OP tanks like 2A5,Leclerc,Ariete are on my side.
Can we put these new tanks at 11.0? There's no reason for a better Type 90 to be at the same BR. Or the 2A5 to be at the same BR as the M1A1 or (god forbid) the M1 and M1IP.
the most efficient armor piece on the Leclerc isnt the composite, its the gun breech.
Damm the AMX-56 is so OP!
They need to give the US the M1A4 and Russia the T-99 immediately!
Edit: But on a serious note: the US needs the M1A2 and Russians need the T90MS.
Japan getting the Type-10 and them fixing the Type-90 Turret as well.
Dont you mean amx 56 leclerc?
I feel like later on, when the game has more modern vehicles, they should make this historically accurate. It would be more satisfying as we would know we’d have the real thing! But what I’m looking forward to is more on the aviation side of the French tech tree; Mirage, etc...
pls talk about how the Type 16 has the same model armor arrow head armor but smaller ingame as the Leo 2A5 spaced armor that i was saying was on the type 10 that i was saying would be model the same if added if the Type 10 or 16 was ever added.
That arrowhead is not large enough to give any real protection in the same way that the Leopard 2A5's does
@@theScottishKoala ah well you finaly have come to the conclusion that it is arrow head armor but smaller. look you didnt have to be ignorant because i was right .
like i was saying it is arrow head armor smaller. arrow head spaced armor can be any size by definition
@@hitoshisawa8479 I never said it wasn't an arrowhead... I simply said its not anything like the 2A5's. It's not designed for that purpose and its not going to offer up the same type of protection
@@theScottishKoala i have screen shots that say other wise and it was intended to incresse protection against apdfs on the type 10 and type 16 and chemical rounds i am more the willing to share them
@@hitoshisawa8479 It adds protection yes, but not the same type of protection that the Leopard 2's arrowhead does. It doesn't cause rounds to wobble in the space in between the arrowhead and the inner turret cheeks... it's just your basic spaced armor. It will have a noticeable increase in chemical protection mind.
If the intention of the Type 10's arrowhead was to increase protection in the same way that the Leopard 2A5 does, then I'm sorry but its designers fucked up. It is just not enough space.
"Reliable Armor at High tier"
Mantlet can be penned by Pzr4 F2
I mean I think the mantlet could be penned by a particularly vigorous sneeze but that's beside the point XD
Lol i love those helo sparks, happens so much and is so frustrating
nice, m1a2 next patch with DU rounds at 10.0
Did the type 89 also outclassed the Leclerc? Cause he died with a w8de shot too
I get I shot all the time with the Leclec. That said around 25% of Encounters have me bounce a single shell. Only once did my armor play a large factor where 3 M1 were shooting me frontal and failing, I bounced 7 or 8 shots before getting shot from behind.
Don't make laugth ,normal 10.0 tank with insane op "ammo penetration number "sames as Ariete (P)
Trying to tier up my Germans yesterday, playing the leopard 2k. Get one shot by a BT-7 whose shell hits the rear of the tank, goes through the engine block and explodes, killing the entire crew. When you say anything can one-shot you at top tier, you aint kidding...
32 dislikes....can't understand why! Nicely done mate :) was waiting for your gameplay video on this
Cheers laddie!
The thing is, without a shred of doubt, my personal favorite top tier mbt
@@theScottishKoala No problem at all ! yeah me too, amazing tank and so fun to play
Leclerc power creeping Leo2A5s? Gaijin we need Leo 2A6 ASAP!
Remember when Abrams in WT was a crazy idea (the 105mm)? I do, not that I don't support newer, more modern MBTs I just think WT has shot itself in the foot. My point being Gaijin bit off more then it could chew.
Why is gaysian still using placeholder BRs
best tank in game is t80 komrade, kontakt 5 filled with stalin bless makes you survive any type of bullshit shot at you(i know kontakt 5 is really advanced but sometimes im trully amazed the stuff soviet MBTs can bounce, from my experience the t 64b in special)
Drakonn A T64B cant bounce.
@@ashati3176 Well as i said its from my experience, likely im getting super lucky
I don't mean to sound like a Freeaboo, but do you believe that American tanks are lagging behind other nations in War Thunder? Sure the M1A1 had the highest penetration of the last patch, but it hasn't even the slightest bit of armor to protect against even some high-pen APFSDS shells. Hell, the M1A1 is the only practical Abrams variant to use at top tier, especially given that at 10.0 the basic and IP Abrams have a maximum of 360mm of penetration, when Russia and Germany have shells with significantly more penetration. Should the Americans start getting better shells for the Abrams to warrant the 10.0 BR and act as Top-Tier M18s, or should they be moved down in BR with the same shells? And Is it even reasonable to ask for an M1A1 HA with all the other more current tanks rolling around? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask for the M1A2?
I certainly think an M1A1HA is warranted to combat tanks like the 2A5 and Leclerc, and if you've seen my videos in the past regarding potential future tanks like the M1A2, T-90A or Type 10, I actually did suggest that the M1 be given M833, while the M1IP could be given M900 and move UP in battle rating 10 10.3 (The M1A1 would be 10.7, the M1A1HA being 11.0)
Oh nice they added the AMX 56 Leclerc
Haven’t touched top tier at all since the patch dropped. Only been playing IJN. But if anything, it’s gonna get memed by the Russian HE shell
Didn't russian he get nerfed?
Moosie Moose did it? I didn’t pay too much attention to anything besides navy this patch
@@moosiemoose1337 AFAIK that actually happened a couple of weeks BEFORE the patch
I’m gonna say it, USA and UK need some love
Abrams and Challenger's would knock everyone out of the park if they were accurate but for a tank with amazing mobility and the other with superior armour gaijin says...NO
No o e plays the 2a5 due to the repirs
The armor the leo2a5 had in the dev server is actually the real armor of the leo2a5
Not completely it had a little less but still it is OP and we dont even have the 2a6/2a7/and the rest
Is the best tank of the world
2:15 Ariete: " Hold my beer"
Dunno but right now the top tier tanks don't seem so imbalanced. Challenger 2 might be tricky to play because it is slow. Type 90 is a good alrounder, the Abrams is pretty decent in armor, has the 3rd best shell in game and might be the fastest MBT? The Leclerc is a very fine alround, where the Type 90 has 1 sec less reload the Leclerc has some more survivability. The Ariete doesn't have the best armor but the very best apfsds with 600+ mm of penetration and, unlike the AMX 40 does, a proper scope. The T-80 got decent ammo, decent armor and decent mobility and a very low profile. The Leopard 2A5 is a very good tank but not really stronger than the others. Sure it's turret cheeks won't be penetrated just as the turret cheeks of the Challenger 2 won't, but everything else is nothing special. Barely saw anyone play it hull down and I killed it the easiest with the NATO MBT killing turret ring shot. Every MBT can be played hull down nicely but obviously it get's easier the more armor is protecting the turret. I don't notice big differences in my Hull down plays though.
The Challenger 2 has a reload of 5.3 seconds or something, if I am not mistaken, although it is using 2 piece ammo which should make that reload speed impossible.
I'm no fan of balancing that transforms a historical/real tank into a fantasy tank. Armor values are obviously not reliable but the unrealistic reload time of Leclerc does annoy me already.
I feel like top teir could use a massive br rework it's either planned to be done like this based off the rapidly of vehicles being added with little balance of a massive nerf maybe coming?
I hope for new supersonics!
F104 😄
99% sure the 5s reload on the irl leclerc is only once the breach is already alligned with the autoloader. There is more time for bringing it in line and then laying the gun after the reload
Do you have any sources that detail this?
@@theScottishKoala not directly, though what ive read is that 12 rounds per minute is the maximum fire rate when tested. Thus it logically follows that this would be when the gun is fixed at the angle of loading to minimize time between shots.
This thing, the 2A5 and aT-80U with working Kontakt-5 should be 11.0 without a doubt, but Gaijin wouldnt have that 8.7 sweetspot to sell premiums anymore if that was the case so fuck all will change. Once again Greed > actuall balance
More and more Gaijin seems to be adding hype vehicles with no counters, and throwing off the balance of whatever tier they enter. Like the T-2, and the 2A5, and now the Leclerc. Would it really be that difficult to make sure you add other, balanced vehicles when you add a highly anticipated vehicle? And if you can't balance it through the proper balancing mechanic, the battle rating system and NOT the economy, then don't add it at all.
The leclerc may be good and all, but nothing trumps the good ol' 85 to the side
Neet LifeofBoris voice on the durp shot on the heli.
Seeing this thing move, yeah what was that about larger maps would be a bad idea. Seriously even Alaska is a bit to klusterfobic even for low tier and especially top tier.
Look like thay create weak spots to makes it destructible. It 52 caliber gun soot the same ammo than the M1 and Leopard2 and should have same penetration and also the new ammo that the Leo2 120mm 55 caliber shoot too. both the best ammo in the western tanks.
It has been tested by the UAE and it was imprevious to its own ammo. It stop a L52 1200 mm apfds. Also it has an autoloader and can shoot in 5 second a new round.
The hunter killer mode allow to have a second target one the gunner shoot the firts. So it is continius fire.
What's funny is any time I play top tier the germans and french are paired. So one side has the 2 best tanks in the game
6:52 I think the only reason you got killed there was your elevated gun. The breach would have eaten pretty much all of that
6:39 that's the life of boris
"Scottishkoala" British tank identification 5 will gain a -15% chance of hitting British tanks weak spots
Against the US, Brits, and Japan like will always happen the Leo2A5 is still better. You don't need the extra pen values from the Leclerc and they can pen your upper hull with stock shells while the 2A5 has no such weakpoint. The only tank that can pen the 2A5 reliably is always sided with it.
Of course the frenchies got the reverse speed
Helicopter:. ......
TSK: That's it, go die.
So I have an issue. Why is the M1 always out classed. Example the M1A1 is a 80s tank. Where is the French and Italian’s get 90s tanks that just RIP. I think you are right, time to get some M1A1HA.
I honestly wonder why heat even exists at top teir it seems completely useless
Hull breaking Tunguskas mainly XD
3:27
Koala: i think this tank is powerful enough?
me: (who has seen so much bs agenst the french in war thunder) NO!
Better than everything actually honhonhon
Leclerc best char of the world
Yaaaaayyyyy more axis powercreep because (France, Italy, Russia, Germany and maybe Japan vs US, Briton)
Thats gonna be fun as a British main
France isn't only axis they play on America's side as well
Koala... any chance you could mention to the snail fekers that the Amx-30 Super, including this... sound like a Challenger 1 mk2/mk3 and Challenger 2. Sort it out.
Very few engine sounds in this game are even close to accurate....... I've brought it up before
"Just fucking amazing" sad by Boris the russian youtuber thats a realy funy thing to put there koala i will give you that
I think it's harder to use, better then it's rivals, faster then it's competition and stronger overall.
I am gona say the "A" word.
*Amx 56*
**Slams head into keyboard**
That’s offensive to me gajinn pls ban amx 56
Looks like we have a contender for a decapitation
He Koala, I would advise you try other rounds on the gunner armor on the Leclerc. There's a bug. If you use any round with above 500mm of pen, it'll be rated at 500mm protection. But if you use any round with under 500mm of pen, the gunner armor will be rated at 600mm. Could you address that in the future?
That's actually correct AFAIK - the armor loses effectiveness depending on the effectiveness of the rounds themselves
@@theScottishKoala Awesome thanks. So actually it is strong?
good UFP with 260mm protection against apfsds xdddd even 2a5 heave it better
2a5 has its ufp at 430 KE protection m8
IDK HOW HE IS SAYING LECLERCS AARMOR IS BETTER
@@rawandmohammed5642 Because 500mm on that middle hull plate..?
@@theScottishKoala yeah but 2a5 doesnt have a huge 230 mm plate above it and can be penned by the 105 apfsds and its a oneshot kill
@@rawandmohammed5642 umm that's what i meant
Is the Ariete's second shell accurate?
Nope
Dear Mr Koala,
I have played 230 hours of this game and never seem to be able to force myself to induce the pain and addiction necessary to grind to the high-end tiers like 5-6-7.
So I'd like to ask if you could review/talk more about the lower tiers of planes and tanks, cause I think a lot of players end up playing there and never really finding themselves with main battle tanks and jets.
I just think I would enjoy some content talking/discussing lower tier vehicles.
I am not saying to replace the content, just a different mix, please :)
Will definitely be some more of this forthcoming :D
The battle on Poland had one big ammo bill
I'm sure it has a 50.000SL repair cost.
Well it is one of the most expensive combat vechicles in the world 👌
Man I love the amx 56 so much
Nice bait