Two things... first: I allow all comments on this video and on my channel. I only remove comments when they're outright rude, threatening, etc. So discuss your opinions, either way, but maintain a basic level of decorum. Second: don't wanna wear the Pride Jerseys? Fine lol. Don't want your team to do it? Fine. The Rangers and others did that last year. But to ban it is such weak shit and is the most NHL move ever.
IPTV is the way. Fuck these low quality streams that come and go, and fuck giving huge telecom companies any of your money. You can get every broadcast of every game all season for less than it costs for a month of their shitty service that blocks 95% of games.
Let's be real, people did care about the Provorov and Staal situations. I vividly remember EJ Hradek telling Provorov to leave the country if he didn't agree with pride initiatives. Saying that no one cared is disingenuous.
provorov jersey sales went up dramatically. again, what material disadvantages did he face from this? aside from people on social media (which have no say in his pay or how his teammates treat him) /s
Provorov doesn’t agree with guys sucking each other off, and neither do I. Not only would I not wear the jersey I would burn that pathetic rainbow shit stained jersey.
But Provorov jersey sales took off, only AFTER he got the full Two Minutes Hate treatment. And the psychological trauma of being Public Enemy Number One, however briefly, is nothing to scoff at. A few genuinely horrifying messages directed at you is one thing. But when they come at you by the hundreds, or even the thousands, I don't care HOW tough you THINK you are, you WILL be affected by it.
@@ElonsgottagoI bet that if it was not a player with the star power like Provarv, they most likely would have been traded or sent out on wavers in a heartbeat.
Now, you _know_ you're misframing that. The message was if you don't support equal rights for gay people, go back to Russia, where discrimination against gays is *off the charts.* Nothing about it was xenophobic, but some media coverage certainly twisted it and presented it as such on purpose.
@@guccilibrarian4728 I think you misread something. I didn't say people twisted *Provorov's* words. I said they twisted *Provorov's critics'* words, who said "go back to Russia." What they meant is go back to where homophobia is embraced, and people twisted it to mean it was something against Russians. No fan or member of the media said that about of the Russian players who showed support for the initiative, because it has nothing to do with being from a certain physical section of land on the earth; it was about a negative part of the culture there that Provorov likes a lot. Are sports games an appropriate place for Pride Night? No, not at all. But Provy, as well as all the other Pride Night protesters, didn't say that. They did not say, "this is an inappropriate time and place.” They did not say, "I don't like virtue signaling." They said they disagree with the initiative (promoting equality for people who still don't have equal rights). Those players have every right I the world to hold that belief and to share that belief. And other people have every right in the world to criticize that belief. If that includes some people criticizing the entire homophobic system of his homeland, then oh well.
imagine being forced to violate your religion and openly display the gravest sin next to sloth. ESG imvesting cannot come to an end soon enough, forcing agendas down people's throats is the quickest way to have it rejected.
Forced support is not genuine support. it's not just the pride jerseys, it's Russians with families in Russia wearing USA military appreciation gear too and cancer night jerseys getting auctioned for $$ the team pockets in some way or just uses as a tax writeoff.
@@TheOriginalTuhat Well, it shouldn't be TBH. The Ukraine/Russia thing is a fake war, a proxy war, started by the globalists and now fueled by their puppet Biden. Any and all Russians should be and feel welcome in our country and our military will protect them on our soil. None of our military (at least those with two brain cells in the ranks) want any part of the Ukraine conflict. Besides, the biggest problem is not the military itself, it's the money and military resources being siphoned away from our nation.
Having to wear military stuff overall is really weird overall, especially in an international league. Allt of people might be anti war and in most other countries we don't have the same pride Americans have in their military, that pride is weird to the rest of the world
I disagree with the notion that Provorov and the others didn’t face any backlash. Many media personalities attacked them. EJ Hradek suggested Ivan move back to Russia and fight in the war. And I know Steve Dangle made a whole video ripping on James Reimer, even though he knows James and has said that he is a really great guy.
Why should their decision to not wear the jerseys make them immune to criticism? I mean Canadian sports media will literally jump at any opportunity to criticize lol.
@@noctaroh5121 because of a thing called freedom of expression... someone shouldn't absolutely "have" to bow down to the state-sponsored lgb religion, if it goes against their faith-values...
@@Apoch86 provorov seems okay with going against his orthodox faith every day, seeing as he lives with his girlfriend and they are not married, which goes directly against his faith, far more blatantly than wearing a rainbow jersey. Also, very bold to claim that the LGBTQ+ community is a “state sponsored religion”, when every single prime minister in Canadian history has been a Christian, and the oath of office for Canadian parliament includes an affirmation to God that the vast majority of politicians in Canadian history have upheld. Don’t you think that’s a bit closer to state sponsored religion? I don’t recall a Canadian politician being sworn into office with the phrase “So help me LGBT”
@@deanschulze3129 fans and the media attack hockey players with a lot more piss and vinegar when they make a stupid play than this. Calling this an “attack” is honestly so pathetic. They got criticized for like a week in the media, which had absolutely zero impact on their career. They are grown ass men, if they want to be intolerant, they can handle some backlash. And I don’t think anyone with their beliefs is feeling any less welcome by the sport. Hockey growing up for me was full of casual homophobia, not jokes against straight people. How welcoming does that sound for a gay man?
If you think there is no pushback/repercussions for refusing to wear pride gear you are ignoring the lambasting the press lays on the players who refused. Sid Seixeiro formerly from Sportsnet - fine the Flyers 1 million dollars - comes to mind. James Reimer got completely roasted by the media. The rest of the world seems to be (somewhat) more reasonable - but anyone who holds the "if you don't wear the gear you are a homophobic bigot" position is completely opposed to the entirety of "hockey is for everyone". I'm fine with it as long as it is never expected to be mandatory with players not being able to withhold support for whatever reason they choose. The other theme nights are a loss though so I agree with your main point.
you're entitled to your opinion/belief of course, but so is everyone else. An opposing belief doesn't make anyone a bigot. If someone's belief is forced on everyone around them to the point of exclusion, there's a bigot involved, but it's not everyone else.
Nah man. The decision to have Pride nights was always a financial one and the decision to stop it was financial as well. Saying "hockey is for everyone" does absolutely nothing to attract new people to the game, it just makes them look like hypocrites when someone chooses to dissent and they get dragged in the media for it. More like, hockey is for those who agree with us. I played with gay guys when i was a kid decades ago. They weren't interested in the sport because of rainbow jerseys or stick tape. The NHL, and other companies saw what happened to Bud Light and Target and made a financial decision to pull back. LGBTQ+ has become political and people want politics out of their entertainment.
its all about the benjamins for the NHL....they are pathetic.....soon we wont even be able to see the play on the ice because ads will be covering everything
I mean Canada threatened to shoot truckers and steal money from their bank accounts for not working, having fun, and singing the national anthem. Canada needs a reality check.
There absolutely was some witch hunt type behaviour from sports commentators and pundits. Calling for Provorov, the Stalls and others to be kicked out of the leauge and have their livelihood stripped from them as punishment for not bowing at the alter of LGBT.
This was the hugely hypocritical part from the pride supporters, the couldn't tolerate a few players openly refusing to support them, then jumped to accusations and calling for their heads. Some show of equality, eh?
Your employer doesn't owe you anything as it relates to free speech. You represent the organization, and the organization can set priorities, mission statements, policies, etc. Freedom of speech ensures the government doesn't prevent you from expressing yourself, and that's about it. Why do people always act like their boss can't limit what they say/do at work?
@@martharunstheworld BINGO ! Thank you for being informed The boss's opinion comes first when the boss requests of you to do something. You can refuse. Politely. And find a way to not work that day. But that's your only way out of it. You don't show up at all.
@@Alex-js5lgThe employee being a conglomerate that provides entertainment to the masses owes their customers though, and they'd much rather have a happy player that's popular with said paying customers than trample their rights on live television. Instant recipe for bad PR
NHL does not need a hockey is for everyone initiative, because it already is for everyone anyone who wants to watch or play can that whole initiative is literally bogus
The biggest barrier anyway is cost. If the NHL was serious about making hockey for everyone, they'd finance entire youth leagues and foot the entire bill.
You obviously didn’t grow up playing team sports. Or if you did, imagine having been gay in a room full of ‘bros’. Don’t you think it’s a little odd that there aren’t any openly gay NHL players? Do you think there’s something about hockey that makes all those who play it straight? I guess it’s not for everyone, is it.
I'd just like to add that as a queer hockey fan, queerness being treated as a political issue SUCKS. It's the same for other minorities, I'm sure. A piece of yourself that you can't change like race, gender, sexuality etc. being treated like a political bargaining chip to debate is just awful to experience. Thought i'd throw that out there.
Hard same, here. It isn't a political issue, it's a "Hey we see you, we hear you, we support you." which is so so important to so many people who have gone their lives being hated for who they were born as. I've just come from an especially toxic comment thread on another video about this and gods the amount of people saying "Good, let those R*pists and groomers burn" "Good, lets kill them" is.... way too high right now. The NHL pulling the support is telling those with all this hatred in their hearts that they're free to keep hating, that they SUPPORT their hate. And it's disgusting.
@getcrazed2000 yeah, it would be nice if everyone thought queer people are "just normal". unfortunately, not everyone thinks that way. as long as homophobia exists, pride nights are still important.
The NHL was the NHL long before there was ever special warmup jerseys and it will still be the NHL now that they're getting rid of the special warmup jerseys.
@@timburr4453 The NBA is afloat solely because of the Chinese market. The brand is almost dead over here. The NHL doesn't have Chinese sugar daddies propping it up so it has to appeal to its fan base (which is sick of politics in its pro sports).
The issue with saying "If you don't want to wear the pride jersey then don't" is that media laser focuses its attention on those players who do not wish to partake and it villainizes and puts a target on the player's back. The bottom line is that players should not be used by teams to push political narratives, initiatives, etc. The warmup jersey initiatives only serve to pander to the team's virtue and ostracize players who do not hold the same values.
Yeah, how dare those teams pander to the Fight Cancer crowd or those dirty St. Patricks Day virtue signalers. And don't get me started on the Military Appreciation night types. Nobody has the "right" to be a professional hockey player. And no one in the league can claim that they had no idea that the big bad media would be so mean. If some of these guys are too delicate for the media treatment they bring on themselves then perhaps they should work in construction or sell insurance.
@@j.frankparnell3087 You know very well the initiatives I was referring to, and thanks for the sarcasm but I won't return the insult in my response. Black Lives Matter, Pride Nights, and other Morality based initiatives that are divided among the culture and players are what I was clearly referring to. The point is, the players have no business propping up the team's moral standards.
@@j.frankparnell3087 Hey, have you heard about this thing called "cancel culture" that has gotten people fired? It affects professional athletes and people in construction and insurance as well. Fake tough guy clown.
I can agree and if that is the case can you at least admit that military appreciation night is ALSO POLITICAL. Or are we just going to make it about me and my fag friends when we show up?? We like hockey too yall, shocking as it may be.
I've always felt indifferent about the Pride warmup jerseys because in reality it has nothing to do with "inclusion" and is just low effort corporate pandering in most cases... But yeah, despite my indifference I fully agree that banning specialty warmup jerseys is just stupid, .
@@eddieMFsauceboy Why do you need a propagated ideology locked to a flag to feel included? If you wanted to feel included wouldn't you not separate yourself from everyone else?
The whole point of teams wearing matching Jerseys is to make them more cohesive...if you're forced to wear a Jersey that goes against your religious belief, or that would put you in political trouble in your home country...that ruins the team unity and starts fights and devision. They don't force LGBTQ people to wear "straight pride" jerseys....why should straight people have to wear "pride shirts"? Inclusive and fair means it should go both ways. I agree with getting rid of the pride Jerseys so the team can focus on the game, rather than sexuality.
I don’t think it’s a minority of people who don’t want it. I think people are just fed up with it everywhere plus as much as you want it to be about free speech, which it should be about free speech, it’s political and it’s clear at least in the US it’s becoming more and more unpopular
You've forgotten Provy having several NHL media types trash him including one saying he should go fight (and hopefully die) in Ukraine because of his (Orthodox Christian) views? Or others saying Igor Shesterkin was using his Christanity as an excuse to cover his hatred of the alphabet people? Short memory I guess.
@@mathman80 no I realized that's what you were saying, that loss of resources isn't the only kind of pain, and, for many of us, it isn't even all that important compared to other issues.
Eck failed to tell us how LGB… supporters or members were materially affected. Emotional distress counts and that’s what Provy and others suffered…or may have suffered.
The league shouldn’t put players in the position to have to, by wearing a certain jersey or not, disclose their personal beliefs to the public. The players although in very public positions should have the right to privacy as well.
Did you not watch the video all of theses jersey nights are to raise money for different causes, so should they ban the indigenous jerseys, there are people who are against indigenous students getting free financial support to go to University witch other groups don't get, what about Veterans jerseys there are many people who don't support the wars around the world that America gets involved in, by YOURE logic we should ban all the special jersey nights so no one has to display there beliefs to the public in case they get judged for it.
Wasn't Provorov attacked because his beliefs are you kidding me that insider on NHL network that called him a douce bag and wanted the NHL to take action against him
His beliefs were that of Russian Orthodox Religion. Please give a look at some of the rules that religion cites for those who practice it lol. He breaks countless rules every single day, some examples would be living with a spouse before marriage, wearing any time of sports equipment or garment, wearing shorts/short sleeves, growing a large beard. That’s just a few. Look, having your beliefs as a reason is totally fine but when you literally do not practice anything else within those beliefs besides the anti homosexuality stuff, it’s really really weird and lame. Loser shit.
Provorov was attacked in the media. I think the NHL did a good job defending his right not to 'celebrate' a thing he doesn't want to celebrate. Some in the gay community, and media, need to learn the difference between that and being 'anti'. Learn the difference between an unhealthy need for approval and simple acceptance.
@@lordrayden3045Children in Africa are dying of starvation or being used as child soldiers, slavery still exists in parts of Asia, no big organization criticizes the small hats for what they're doing to Palestine, the Uighurs are being placed in concentration camps, Rohingyas are being displaced, Indian muslims are being attacked, Sudanese civilians are refugees now, and you are offended over people not liking a rainbow. 🤦♂️
@@3liWeidner It's not a celebration of being gay, you goofball. It's a celebration of inclusion and advocating for equal treatment of everyone. If a player is going to say, "I am opposed to treating everyone equally," then he should expect to receive criticism. While Pride Nights are really just virtue signaling, those players still explicitly stated they are _against_ what that night Is about. That's bigotry.
Obviously Eck doesn’t know about ESG and CEI and other such policies. Imagine the uproar if teams had to wear a Christian themed uniform during the Christmas season. The thing about diversity and inclusion is that it’s actually the inverse. It’s about conformity and exclusion for those who do not conform. People are finally voicing their opinion regarding sports ball as pride, whether good or bad, is a political movement and people look to sports ball to get away from such things.
Christians haven't been discriminated and persecuted by the government in the U.S. since it was founded. This isn't about making it all pride filled, it's about opening hockey up to a group that has been discriminated against by Christians and the government in the past and currently.
@@cludecat7072 nobody discriminated against anybody. These people lived long fruitful lives unlike many other countries where they would be harshly dealt with. Stop making up lies. None of these people should ever be put on a pedestal. Now they want to broom children. Saf
I’m sorry but if you don’t think players who refused to wear pride jerseys didn’t face any backlash then you’re just being ignorant. These players had to go on record and actually explain their reasonings because people were calling them homophobic and hateful. Only reason these players aren’t receiving relentless hate, is probably because there’s only so much you can be angry abt at once, and for these people they find a way to get enraged with practically anything. They openly hate and make claims abt someone, and move on to the next person they can attack for not agreeing with them. It’s disgusting. And you don’t even know what kind of messages they get personally. I guarantee you they still get hate comments for not wearing a jersey. Here’s the thing, in reality there are an infinite amount of topics that you could host special nights for. So when you pick and choose what you want to celebrate and honour, with some being controversial that not everyone will agree on, you’re creating conflict and division. Staying neutral and keeping hockey just hockey is the best thing they can do for everyone. And if you’re looking up to a professional sports league to talk about anything other then the sport, then you’re delusional. We have politicians, public speakers, protestors, presidents and prime ministers to discuss any issue you’re passionate abt. Everyone who watches the NHL, all shares a love for the game of hockey. So why not just keep it hockey related?
dosent matter first off why should a bigot not be hated for their views they hate others , its kinda werid to expect to be accepted for your views of hate u wont accept everyone else do u think u can punch someone and not expect to be punched back . , do u really think this isntt on par with being a racist all bigotry u desvere the hate that u spew out thats like getting mad at a cop forr killing a murderer u hate others u dont acceppt them thus your not accepted the murderer murders someone thus their murdered its fair get over it , are u the type of guy to think u can beat someone up but if they defend their selfs their the true evil .. cause its werid to think u can express hate towards others without backlash
@@lilwoodiewood3457 You are a shining example of the current mindless progressive worldview. It's obvious from your ranting post that you are incapable of any form of rational thought or discourse. It is full of name calling, false equivalences and hyperbolic nonsense. More the ravings of a lunatic than adult.
I'm gay. I could not possibly care less if a player doesn't feel comfortable wearing a pride jersey. You are 100% allowed to have an opinion. People can disagree with me. It's coil.
More people need to have this attitude. As a bisexual hockey fan I don’t need my sexuality celebrated to be made to feel welcome anywhere because I’m not that insecure.
Can't please everyone, so best not try to. Let individual players promote the causes they believe in on their own. Or have teams sponsor fundraising events separate from their games.
This is the best way this could have happened, pride nights, military appreciation night, hockey fights cancer are all still gonna happen and the charities are still getting their money. All that's changing is players won't be wearing the Jersey's, thus ending the arguments that neither side is gonna change their minds on
Yeah exactly. This is a bit of a case of a bad apple spoils the bunch, but in all honesty, it's for the best. Leave hockey as hockey. Our sports don't need to be political, that's not why any true fan of any sport watch them, regardless of where we stand politically.
People get upset when there’s a section of other people that refuse to go along with the approved messaging. If we’re all about inclusion and respect, that also means dissenters.
Inclusion Is only when you agree with their opinion or side. Funny all the White people who are for 'diversity and inclusion' don't seem to realize they don't want to include you. Let's stick to hockey and leave out the garbage.
Every single company that has taken a temporary dip due to fake outrage has come back stronger, every single one. Starbucks, Nike, Goodyear, Goya (yup even the blue boycotts fail), Anheuser-Busch all came back stronger than they were before the fake outrage took place.
You obviously don't get what minority means. In the grand scheme of things, you guys are indeed a small minority. You are just very loud when it comes to voicing your opinion, whereas those who don't care won't say anything. Pretend only 10% of people are actually angry about organizations celebrating gay people. A 10% decrease in sales is not good, but it's still a small minority. 90% still invests in that product. For Bud Light it was 25%, a minority but not that small. That's also because they appeal more to self conscious white men. Hope you understand now.
@@TheSnapback Nice. Way to talk down to people who disagree, par for your people. We are not a small minority. We are a waking giant that drew the line when your crowd started telling kids to mutilate their bodies. We've had enough. As for your silly tone, careful.
@@TheSnapback "SMALL minority". 49% might be a minority, but it's not small (not saying that it was 49% in this instance). A small minority might be around 10% or less. Bud light's stock tanking wasn't caused by a "small minority". It was caused by a lot of people who were tired of this (yes, I'm saying it) woke bullshit. Dylan Mulvaney is getting free money for being trans. Dylan has made fun of women, but that's okay because they're trans.
I have been of the mind for a long time that there is no need for ANY of the jerseys. They want to support a charity, put a table in the lobby of each arena for each cause. They do it with animal shelters, i am sure that they can do it for domestic violence or vets or cancer or gays or whatever. Let the people decide where their money should go.
How they didn't force the Blackhawks owners to sell, covering up Operation Slapshot, and this shit is just beyond baffling. Another piece of Bettmen and the NHL's incompetence.
@@EckHockey oh, that’s an absolute lie when you have announcer saying they should be fined millions of dollars and lose their ability to play just because they don’t support current cultural filth.
@EckHockey well, you must not know much about the pandemonium it's caused throughout both the US and Canada (and Russia, for that matter). Might want to consider broadening your horizons.
NHL needs to focus on hockey, its product. Lately, like too many things, they've moved away from their product and then wonder why support is waning. They are alienating their fans who come, for surprise, hockey not some activist event of the day.
@@Snnnnapi personally think it’s fine. that “pink bullshit” you’re referring to has a meaning. Cancer. Cancer research, cancer battle. Camo represents our troops. The men who keep our countries free and safe. Both America and Canada. They have good meanings. The pride is a bit of a stretch, but it also has good meanings. If players don’t wanna wear them, that’s fine. We shouldn’t ban it league wide
Everytime a player decided to not wear a pride jersey they were attacked on social media as if they killed a bunch of puppies. The community made this an issue instead of just letting people live their life they're trying to make everyone fall in line with what they believe or else. It's not very inclusive or tolerant and it really paints them in a bad light.
"just letting people live their lives?"That's exactly what Provorov's church doesn't do! That's why it's valid to criticize him for his hypocrisy. Churches in general are all about trying to make everyone fall in line,don't you know?
Sid Sixeiro went on live TV calling for the Flyers to be fined 1 million dollars and for Provorov to be suspended, that goes MUCH further than just "disagreeing". There were absolutely calls for cancelation of these players. The irony here is that the very people that exploded over this and called for heads were the reason the jerseys were canceled.
I posted a reply to this video with links to the youtube videos of Sid and EJ Hradek venting on Provorov several times and each time it disappeared. Not sure how moderation works but that is nasty.
He said nobody was materially affected. Who cares what some hockey pundit yelled about? I'm sure there were nut jobs on the internet calling for his head, too.
I don’t agree with your take that players who refuse to wear pride night jerseys won’t be ostracised. Did you conveniently forget about the media’s vicious attack on Ivan Provorov? They were calling him homophobic and demanding that he gets fined or suspended even though he didn’t say anything bad about the LGBTQ community. Even the NHL network pundits attacked him LOL. I am not the biggest fan of Bettman. But I do understand why he has decided that teams would not wear the pride jerseys next season. He wants to avoid the controversy and negativity around situations where players decide to not support the LGBTQ community due to religious or other reasons. I don’t get why you are flipping out over this. There will still be pride nights next season but just without the jerseys. I don’t get how wearing a rainbow colored jersey is going to help get rid of homophobia in society. The whole concept is just dumb anyways 🤷🏻♂️
What's dumb is that something rainbow bothers people in the first place. It's all you talked about, but I'm just sad there's no more wasac or st Patrick's jerseys and shit like that.
bad take, politics and social justice don't belong in sports. It is supposed to be an escape from all this bull shit, not be a mouthpiece for whatever people are outraged about in the current month.
players should have zero opinions about anything since everything can be considered political is basically what your saying. No interviews please somebody might get offended by something they say
politics and social justice don’t belong in sports? how do you think minorities started playing in the league? why do you think there are barely any black hockey players? because this idiotic idea that social justice doesn’t align with sports. sports aren’t an escape. they’re played by real people with real lives and opinions. just like yourself. who’ve got friends and family just like yourself who they want to support while being in their profession
@@bobloblaw7030 cry more, their interviews should be about the game. Why should I give a fuck what some sport players take is on an issue, they are paid to play not to preach
@@Aj-sn1dp minorities not being in the league? I don't give a shit about a players skin colour or what they believe in as long as they play the game at the highest skill level.
@@Aj-sn1dp The difference between blacks and gays is no one needs to know you're gays. To this day a lot of Gays don't publicize that they are in fact gay. Being more accepting doesn't mean letting them rub it in your face.
I get that this is something you’re emotional about and I agree with 99% of what you say, but to say nobody cared about players not wearing pride jerseys makes your argument sound less objective and disingenuous. Guys with major platforms eviscerated players that didn’t wear pride jerseys. Sid Seixeiro went on a tirade ripping Provorov and said he shouldn’t be able to play. Steve Dangle, who acknowledged Reimer is the nicest guy ever, said him not wearing a pride jersey is hateful. Not sure how you can be the nicest guy ever and hateful. The pride movement is supposed to represent people standing by their beliefs but those who don’t share those beliefs aren’t afforded the same right.
Of course you can be hateful and nice at the same time. He might have been nice to Steve cause Steven is a well known media figure, white male and presumably hetero. If he were black, female and queer, it’s not unreasonable he would not have been so kind to him.
@@wghd6782 That's entirely speculation based on his race and orientation. How do you know his attitude towards other people? Pretty prejudiced statement tbh
It seems that when a leftist takes a stand, they are emotional. But, when a conservative takes one, it's non inclusive and bigoted. The leftist agenda is not about inclusion, it's about forced compliance.
@@JC-ct7wpphobia doesn't purely mean an irrational or intense fear, it also means an extreme aversion (meaning dislike or disinclination) to something. Furthermore, the usage of words and their meanings changes throughout history. "Gay" doesn't mean happy anymore. "Awesome" and "awful" used to mean the same thing, and now they mean the exact opposite. Let me be clear, I don't have a particular stance on the topic at hand, I don't really care about the subject matter the video regards, but I felt inclined to point out that to say "homophobia" means a fear of homosexuality is ignorant. if you were joking, my bad
Tbh NA military is the reason why you're alive right now. Doesn't matter what political side you are on or the terrible tours USA does in foreign countries. The truth is you are alive because of them regardless of their baggage. You're in denial if you don't think so.
@@anonymous134y i mean in my case you are correct but how many people aren't alive because of our militaries. I support the soldiers sailors airmen marines seals ect. But I don't support the leadership.
Same military that killed my people during Wounded Knee, or the Trail of Tears? Yeah, I’m sure they’re definitely why I’m here after slaughtering hundreds of us unarmed LMAO
@@anonymous134yYeah, dude without the US military the hordes would just wash across America and murder literally every one of its citizens down to a man. Imagine actually being this brainwashed.
A lot of people in these comments are focusing only on Pride jerseys, forgetting that this also affects Hockey Fights Cancer, St Patricks Day, Lunar New Year, Black History month, hispanic appreciation, First Nations/indigenous appreciation, Military appreciation, and all the other fun special warmup jerseys that teams wear during the season.
We are all people. Let's stop talking about the differences that are being put out there to divide us. I like how Morgan Freeman addressed Black History Month and that all it is doing is keeping racism alive. If I was black, I wouldn't want the idle gesture of one month being dedicated to the "lip service" of acknowledging me. If we all stop acknowledging these messages that are designed to separate and cause divisions, "they" will soon realize that their narrative is falling on deaf ears, because we all know who we are - beautiful living beings with the instinct to love and care for ourselves, our families and our neighbors.
Because the Pride jerseys are the only one wrapped up in controversy. None of the other things are going against players' religious or personal beliefs. So essentially, one minority cause has ruined it for everyone else because of their screeching and crying.
@@clark85 Where exactly are they checking sexual preferences at the door of the arenas of NHL games and turning non-hetero people away? Please be specific.
@@doom4136 so showing support to vets and people are active in the military is political now so dumb plus hockey beats cancer is definitely not political same with other culture night like Chinese new years
I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for this, but I support this decision. Sports isn't a place where political perspectives should be pushed, that's what different news sources are for. You should be able to turn on your tv to watch a hockey game without a political narrative being shoved down your throat. It isn't a secret that most members of the LGBT community and those who support it are on the liberal side of politics, so for hockey fans on the conservative side, especially in places like Dallas, Raleigh, and Nashville, it's sort of a slap in the face to turn on your tv and see your favorite team expressing support towards something that you don't totally agree with. It would be like if a left-leaning person turned on the tv and saw their favorite team wearing pro-life jerseys. Now, this would never happen, since organizations like the NHL swing left, and there are leftists who are pro-life, but the to majority that aren't this would be very upsetting. All of the LGBT stuff really shouldn't have been politicized in the first place, but that's what happened, and the NHL needs to take into account that a large portion of their fanbase doesn't support it. And that's exactly what they did, and I'm proud of them for that.
Supporting LBGBT is not political. Believe it or not, those people are part of society. They exist. And some of them actually like hockey. Just like Natives. Just like blacks. Choosing to recognize them is not political. It's inclusive, showing people of different races and culture that they can be accepted into hockey. What you're saying is that the NHL should only respect the feelings of the people who aren't LBGQT, or Native American or Black. Not having the theme jersey nights is a slam in the face to all those people who aren't straight or white or identify as other than their born sex. And also, how many times have you turned on a game and actually seen players in their themed warm-ups? Most of the time, the warm-up time it taken up by pre-game shows. And only the fans that arrive early at the games actually see the player wearing the warm-ups.
@@cheaboiMWA Okay bud, didn't know rioting through cities, causing damage and vandalism was "wanting to simply exist". If all they wanted was to be accepted into society then maybe they shouldn't spend do much time shoving their ideals down our throats and calling us bigots if we don't agree.
I watch Hockey for Hockey. Not to see what social/political stance teams or players have and my morning poop means more to me than people opinions on those matters. N that shit gets flushed. 😂😂
No, they just satisfied one side of the table. It is still just as controversial, but now the other side is in outrage. You really think getting rid of all of these beneficial theme nights eliminates all controversy? You realize these theme nights donated to charity right? This included cancer night, and military appreciation night. All because of you big crybabies that are afraid of some players wearing a rainbow jersey for a single warmup game.
Saying that "nobody cared" about the players who refused to wear the pride jerseys is wildly inaccurate at best and deliberately disingenuous at worst. Here's a partial list of some prominent reactions: A fuming EJ Hradek said (on NHL Network) that Provorov "should go back home and join the Russian army." Matt Larkin of Daily Faceoff railed on Twitter against the Flyers for allowing Provorov to still play that night, and accused Provorov of "encouraging hate against these communities." A Canadian show host named Sid Sexiero, foaming at the mouth, said that the Flyers should be fined a million dollars (actually) for allowing Provorov to play, and insisted that he be forced to undergo mandatory "reform training." Steve Dangle released an LFR bashing Reimer for 15 minutes (who has not been on the Leafs for more than half a decade now, for those who are unaware), saying "hate takes many forms." These are just some of the figures in the media. I saw people online bemoaning the fact that all 3 Staal brothers made the 3rd round, celebrating the "karma" of Marc and Eric losing in the Cup Final, and when Provorov got traded to Columbus/Reimer signed with the Wings, their decisions were brought up almost immediately on social media (as in, "why would the Jackets/Wings sign a player who's an open bigot?"). If you want to be angry about the jerseys being banned, that's your prerogative, but let's not pretend that "nobody cared" when a player refused.
Don’t have to much to add, all I’ll say is that calling a move like this “baby --“ is pretty uninformed. If this is a sign of the NHL moving in a non political direction, than that is a wonderful thing that most fans can get behind. The pride jersey thing was definitely controversial, understand that there are still very large amounts of people who support and oppose them. Eliminating things that can be so divisive like this is a good thing. Sports are an escape for most people, they don’t want politics and controversy fronted through it.
I appreciate you making your argument from a free speech perspective as opposed to an overtly political one. That helps keep the dialogue honest versus allowing it to becoming a screeching match like too many of our modern day interactions. Keep up the great work!
excellent comment Ya..we don't want the idiocy that happens on the hill to hit fan land. A lot of us are on the fence someplace and likely to be rather rude or should i say excessively rude to one side or the other.
The first statement by the NHL that you posted is a wise position by the NHL. Warm up jerseys are not a place to create or attract controversy. The teams will still fully support pride month and their other causes with PR and fundraising. Warm up jerseys will still be sold and auctioned to create funds. Today's decision reveals how much the NHL Board of Governors is concerned about creating bad PR.
They could just as easily sell said jerseys in the shops without forcing players to wear them, and I would wager that not a single player would be concerned or care (as long as their jersey number or name is not on the ones for sale). It's not like they're even "game worn" merchandise either.
@@daekry How predictably disingenuous. So you think there is no ramification to a player refusing to wear a jersey? Did you miss the whole point of this video and not read any of the comments here? SMH
@@fleatactical7390 I'm saying none of these "ramifications" are real problems. You've got one loudmouth media goon saying go back to Russia, and some people being rude on social media. and that's basically it. Problems so tiny they aren't really problems at all.
I think, a good way to handle this issue, is to not have a warm up jersey of the day, and instead let players themselves choose causes to support during warmups. That way, every player can show their own support to causes without forcing other players to as well, cause like it or not, people disagree, it’s human nature. I personally support every cause I’ve seen represented by a warm up jersey, but I know others might not.
@@xczechr ... yet they were "blacklisted" and called out by Media Enforcers if they dared to exercise personal freedoms. So yeah, they were "forced"... Fortunately, freedom prevailed and the pendulum as swung back.
NHL should just stick to hockey and stay out of social political agendas or social engineering of any sort. More than any sport hockey is family and kid oriented and inclusion takes care of itself on the rink and in the locker room. This whole jersey thing is driven by corporate executives and lawyer types and bullying anybody around religious beliefs is against the principles of hockey. Frankly i am surprised there are not law suits against teams and or suits against the likes of media talking heads around public defamation of certain players. It should happen - these media people are too self important. Discrimination on the basis of religious convictions is unconstitutional
They'd never do that. The NHL, teams, AND players generally dislike individuals drawing away from the team. It's a "distraction" or whatnot. If you think it's annoying when a player refuses to wear a pride jersey, imagine the mayhem that ensues when a player insists on wearing a MAGA hat.
I think that this decision by the league is in response to a widespread change in the general perception of pride symbols/imagery and using them for marketing and publicity purposes, as well as the perception of pride itself. I'm not going to take a side in this comment, but what I'll say is that it's clear that a growing number of people are making the decision not to spend their time and money with companies and organizations that are endorsing pride. The NHL is doing what they think is best for their brand. In my opinion, the league was only endorsing pride as a virtue signal and I think this proves that. I've been keeping track of this for a long time because I do have an interest in politics and I've noticed that the way that the general public in both Canada and the United States view pride and the LGBT community has changed significantly, particularly in the last two years. It's become a much more divisive and controversial topic as of late. I've seen and been a part of many online communities completely unrelated to pride where certain members of the community bring the topic into the community and it always immediately results in chaos and I've seen it rip apart entire communities within days after the first person to bring it up does so. Usually what ends up happening is either, A) Group admins and moderators decide to play the roles of activist and gatekeeper and start mass banning anyone that shows any sort of opposition to pride being brought into in that community, neutral perspectives often get you banned in these cases too. B) People leave in large numbers to get away from what they see as pride invading their community C) The community just becomes a place where everyone argues about pride and then eventually becomes inactive when the arguing finally dies down. D) The admins of the community say something like "everyone is welcome here, but keep politics out of this please", sometimes that one results in more arguing or the community getting banned/removed. This is a widespread thing on the internet and has been for years, but it's gotten MUCH worse in the last couple of years. Because of that, I really can't blame people that want nothing to do with the topic or want it not brought up in their communities. Simply put, pride doesn't appear to have a very good reputation right now and even the community appears to be at odds with itself. I've even heard of a movement within the community to make LGB it's own community. This is just my observations though, not telling anyone to endorse/support pride or to not do so. I'm simply weighing in on the topic and sharing my observations.
"No one could tell me how any person was materially affected..." E.J. Hradek called for the death of Ivan Proborov because he wouldn't participate. Why did you leave that out, Eck? Then there's Brian Burke. He thinks he can dictate to everyone that we all have to adopt his values and beliefs. You're right when you say the NHL doesn't make any effort to make hockey for everyone. How welcome do Ivan Proborov and James Reimer feel after being attacked the way they were?
Lol as if the religious rich guys are the oppressed ones here, queer people deal with death threats everyday and events that normalise being queer help prevent that and send a message to the people that need support.
@@gog4life708 well that’s absolute lies. Anybody can look at the media and see that the gay agenda is being pushed while the actual biblical view is being demonized.
Ummm where did you get that info? Calling for the death of someone and telling them to go back to there homeland where his views are more excepted are two very diffrent things (Still not a nice things to say however)..... Im assuming it was left out of the video due to the fact it didnt happen? Idk drop the link and make me eat my words.
Great move. And I disagree with you saying that a "minority" of fans disagree with pride night. Idk what its like up in Chinada but here in the states its pretty frowned upon. Just look at the comments section of any pride themed ig post.
The biggest reason it's frowned upon is honestly just because nobody likes big corporations. Even though queer support is high in the USA, as it should be, nobody likes when a company tries to celebrate queer pride because it just looks like they're doing it for marketing reasons. Like why people think pride month is a gimmick to get LGBT people and allies to buy more shit from them.
Minority, no, we are the majority! Pride doesn't belong in hockey! If a team chooses to do it fair, but if players don't want to wear it they don't have to. Why do they have to get cancelled after chosing not to wear it? Also, provys jersey was the hottest selling jersey after he didn't wear the pride, yeah, we are the majority and pride is nearing its end!
Damn straight! No more veterans appreciation jerseys, no more hockey fights cancer jerseys. Cuz fuck those snowflake vets and snowflake cancer patients too! I sure as shit don't attend hockey games to be fed no American military industrial complex ideology, or any of that big pharma bullshit either.
@@vegas_mapletrees Why do people misinterpret the 'snowflake' thing? I became a thing to mock people who insisted they were completely unique from the crowd (i.e. emo kids, 48 different genders, etc) and had nothing to do with an insult toward anyone who was offended by anything.
@@calvinbaII I tend try to not use it as a insult weapon, but I use it just to spite people who use it as an insult, since it's usually the "we hate pronouns" crowd that uses it for stupid reasons, and I always found it stupid. Other than that, I wouldn't use it to describe someone who's offended, and it's just a thing out of spite that I do.
I feel like a nice alternative to all of these night would be to have, for each theme night, something like five players that come out and specifically sign up to wear the jersey. This way, no spectacle is made of a player not wearing one, but they can make more of a positive show out of the players that chose to wear them, and maybe some of the personal connections that came with it. Also, the jersey auctions would be more exclusive and stuff to make that more of an event.
Or, we just avoid those hot topic "issues" that go against religious beliefs. Things like cancer, the military, indigenous populations are innocuous. But we can't have a certain minority population being left out, now can we?
@@fleatactical7390 Not getting into what you’re saying, the idea I came up with removes the problem with that, cause you don’t even have to say a thing of your beliefs don’t support it. You just have a few people that either support or just want to be kind, and the rest are assumed to be innocent or at worst lazy.
Columbus had all player support and we called it "Hockey is for Everyone" instead of pride. I believe this is more inclusive to all groups. I could be wrong I'm willing to hear all sides but I think Columbus did it right!
I'm pretty sure they call it "hockey is for everyone" at all rinks in the NHL. The problem is when a player chooses not to wear a jersey, they get dragged by media and fans, which is quite hypocritical. The message sent is that hockey is for everyone, except those who have different views on issues. Not very inclusive.
When the specialty night is literally for everyone, it's no longer special, and is just generic corporate gladhanding. That's why you have more than one specialty night, to support different groups of people and actually recognize them.
@@seymourglass26 I mean I really wouldn't mind more specialty nights celebrating anything really. Some of the warmups are sick and we need more jerseys as fans
"nobody cared when the Staal brothers didn't wear the pride jerseys"....WAIT WHAT?!? Its probably the biggest reason of why they ain't doing it because of the shitstorm that created at the time. I don't care about the whole thing (The NHL DOESN'T CARE about Pride or any special nights...they just want to sell special edition jerseys....750$ for a Canucks jersey? C'mon...) The problem wasn't so much by fans against the whole thing but when a player decided not to do it then people had a field trip on twitter about it.
@@lordrayden3045 look at it this way, imagine you have a view on something (right or wrong, doesn't matter) then people laugh at you for having that belief...will you change view because of it or just feel bullied and just double down on it? You can't force your views on people, only educate
Maybe the Pride Nights would have been more successful if every player who respectfully declined to participate in the Pride jersey warmups weren't put on blast by the media, ironically taking attention away from the cause to focus on a very small group of people who are not involved 🤷🏻♂️ Times have changed. The LGBT community has an overwhelming amount of support now compared now compared to a decade or two ago. The focus should be on that overwhelming support instead.
@@bluespot3332 again, that does not change the overwhelming amount of support the LGBT community has. Who cares what some homophobes on RUclips say? They cannot escape criticism entirely. But they can cherish what they have. Support. From the media. From their peers. From their friend circles. It's there.
@@HeyLookPropaneI don’t support all parts of the lgbt community, only the trans part. This doesn’t mean I don’t respect them as human beings and call them what they want to be called. This means I don’t support there actions but I don’t wish any illness or hate towards them. Would you call me bad person or just some who has a different opinion?
the players that didnt wear jerseys were in fact attacked socially . great move by the nhl in my view. corporations should stay away from causes , its non of their business
Tons of justification for it in here too, it's crazy. People think that not being outright supported means that you're somehow hated. I'd love to see the reaction they'd have if the team wanted them to come out sporting religious symbols or something they didn't agree with. Way too much controversy to be worth it, imo.
Players shouldn't be forced to take a stance on any culturally controversial issue that could put them at odds with the fans, the media or the owners. Forcing people to show who they support is a very authoritarian thing to do.
Why’d you put quotes around “exercise their freedom of speech”? You think that’s not a valid expression of their rights? If they don’t want to wear a specific jersey because it stands for something they don’t believe in, then they shouldn’t have to. End of story.
Overall, last season, all pride night really did was divide the hockey community and create a major distraction, not because the cause itself is distracting or necessarily bad at all, but people's opinions on it right now are more divided than ever. So to avoid all this drama and noise causing bad publicity for the NHL, its easier to just get rid of all themed jerseys (which by the way, are still being produced and sold, and there will still be HFC, Military, and Pride night, but the jerseys just wont be worn in warmups). It takes the pressure away from teams and players to essentially make a choice to support the cause or not, with no neutral option. I don't see this as the NHL going back on their Hockey is for everyone statements, I see it as a response to the backlash they got for Military and Pride night last season. Don't want pride/military/police jerseys to be worn? Then no themed jerseys will be worn at all. This isn't the NHLs fault in my eyes, its the hockey community and our inability to put prejudices, from both the right and left, aside.
Bettman is being cowardly. The hockey community wasn't divided 50/50. It was 5/95. 5% of fans got all bent out of shape, 95% said: "that's cool" or "doesn't matter to me, party on." Rock the jerseys, and the people that don't like it can pound sand or go get a beer during warmups.
No, the NHL supported a radical political position. They chose sides politically and made pariahs of players that opposed them The NHL did not follow their own policy. The NHL deserves to lose games and.
"If you don't want to wear the (political statement) jersey the team is forcing you to wear, don't." But be ready to get fined, canceled, sent to a lower league, ostracized, etc. Many times, a player is unable to choose not to do something that's not related to their profession and something they find offensive.
So in otherwords their beliefs and principles don't matter, only LGBTQ's does. That makes a lot of sense. So everyone should just shut up and be a follower, is what you're saying? Screw your religion, screw your principles and screw your beliefs basically that's what others want to see and hear or you'll be fired or ostracized for it. Enough is enough of this type of bs that is being forced onto others. I'm glad the NHL is getting rid of that crap.
You're right. No one should be forced to. And no one _did_ force these players to. They merely got criticized. It's true that Pride Night, a night to promote equality and respect for a discriminated demographic, has no place being brought into pro sports. It’s out of place to begin with, plus many fans and players are homophobic, especially NHL and NFL. And from the league itself, it’s just virtue signaling anyway. That’s not what these players said. They weren't aginst the virtue signaling nature of it. They didn’t say it’s not the time or place... No. They said: “I won't take part in this initiative, because of the fact that my belief is that equality should not be a thing.” People have every right to express their beliefs. And people have every right to criticize other people’s beliefs. Imagine a baseball player said, "I won't wear number 42 on Jackie Robinson Day because of the fact that my belief is that segregation should still be a thing." He's got every right in the world to believe that, but, in your opinion, would he deserve criticism?
I seen a comment on another video talking about this situation but before it was banned but he basically said that they should let the players wear a jersey that supports whatever cause they want and then sell the jersey and donate the money to the charity.
I don't necessarily disagree with this... the "group-think" style mob approach to make players a spectacle for not going along with the crowd wearing a jersey that supports something they don't believe in, is a horrible stance to take... I'd honestly just rather the NHL not have the jerseys in the first place.. But your comment is a really solid middle ground I could get behind.. Just let people be people.
Why put your players in that situation to start with. This one is a political hot button. Don't tell me the players who chose not to wear the jersey were left alone. The media made it a national story. A big shame campaign. They joined this Pride campaign as a bow to pressure. All in an attempt to get a better ESG SCORE.
@@coastaku1954 no, it doesn't, it actually shows I do not care either way, live and let live People like you are why some people have an issue with it, you believe it is either "fly our flag or you hate us" and youre not going to like what people decide on the whole when forced
@@cludecat7072 ALL minority groups are USED as a WEAPON against civilization by the Secret Societies that run our world. Those Secret Societies WORSHIP and SERVE evil and are 'rewarded' in this physical world - basically selling their soul for a temporary fix, like a junkie. The ONLY one that ACTUALLY CARES about ANY person, FALLEN or not is JESUS, and he has standards and rules that are at least ADVISED to consider, and follow IF you CARE about your soul and the souls of others. If you don't care - and sell out or just live blindly - that will be costly on the soul level. If a person wants to RESOLVE all that you described - then you have to go deep. Could be a lifetime of work - IF you're sincere. Most are not or may even be for awhile but eventually give up over time. Basically - you either ACTUALLY CARE or you do not. A jersey and societal promotion of a minority group is NOT because the ones with artificial power are trying to help - they are actually TRYING to cause division ANY WAY they can, while posing as 'caring'. So - CONTEXT is EVERYTHING. To understand an issue like this you MUST KNOW WHO is pulling the strings and why and what the significance of the issue in question (jerseys etc.) means. THEN you can KNOW DIRECTLY what is REAL and what is false. FEW can do this and THE REST are damned to live a life TOTALLY LOST IN CONFUSION AND SUFFERING that is only temporarily lessened through escapism. Existence is designed that way to get your attention PERMANENTLY ON what ACTUALLY MATTERS beyond all the useless daily experiences. Which is : Who are you.. Who Created you. What is Existence. How does the Creator, named God want you to live. (He gave us a manual and sent an example as Jesus) If that does not matter to you - then instead of you pursuing it - IT will pursue you in the form of suffering, until you learn your lesson. God Bless You!
Have to disagree with this video. Some people just want to watch a hockey game as a form of entertainment and escapism. The last thing they want is to not only be thrust into the maelstrom of the current culture wars, but to be coerced into kowtowing to the political positions adopted by the cultural elite. The one great thing about sports is that it unites fans. If I'm watching the game at the stadium or bar,, I should be able to high five the guy next to me wearing my team's jersey, regardless of color or creed or language for that matter, without First confirming that they have acceptable opinions on LGBTQ2S+
@@joshciviletti3032 because of people who make it that way. they make this culture war bs for no reason. trans people are less than 2% of the american population but now it's the top debate. there is absolutely no reason the entire country should be this obsessed over such a tiny group in proportion to the entire population, no matter what side you're on
A blanket removal of all of them makes sense from the point of wanting to avoid controversy. I normally agree with you on issues like this, but not this time. A lot of comments are already saying that “no one is forced” but when then your shunned, made a pariah and destroyed in media. When a player chooses to opt out and it’s commented, on a public show, that he should leave the USA and go back to Russia to fight in a war, that’s not freedom, that’s wrong regardless of the view taken. “Obey our directives or go die in a war” is wrong. So no, there isn’t freedom to opt out without consequences.
would it not make more sense then to ban commentators from mentioning who is or isn't participating in the jersey wearing? Fine commentators for making comments that make people feel like they are being singled out.. because comments like that go directly against the "Hockey is for Everyone." I think the core of this night is just that and any comment one way or another on it is in my opinion backwards to what the jerseys are trying to accomplish.
Calling someone out for problematic opinions is and should be normal. Trying to be inclusive for everyone grows the game, and makes everyone happier except for the bigots. And fuck the bigots.
tbh I think you're taking the rude comments from a minority of people and building around that. Worst case scenario people talk about it for a week, people assume you're maybe a bit of a bigot, a few people will be outright mean. I get what you're saying but it's also like, I think generally there is a much more negative effect on the actual minority groups who feel like their existence in the hockey world itself is too 'controversial'- and because of that even the most basic display of support is cut off.
@@WybornD40oh it definitely is from a small minority. But the vocal small minority is always what’s dictated these things. 99% of people couldn’t care less what someone else does. But it’s always the vocal minority that dictates policy. Most people, I feel, are of the opinion that so long as the overall night of celebration (for whatever it may be) still be maintained that that’s good enough for them.
This is on the reaction to the players not wearing the jerseys more than it is on the players themselves. The players only declined to wear the jerseys and not make any large statements, as the league allowed, but fans and media couldn't let it go and turned it into bigger news stories than it needed to be. That was the societal pressure, fans upset because players wouldn't wear a warm-up jersey. Now the league is stuck because they can't just stop pride jerseys and face the wrath of the pride community, so they stop all special jerseys to try to look neutral. Could have been avoided if people could just accept others, you know, like the message the jerseys were supposed to represent.
Ah yes seems you didn't consider that the league also didn't want to face the wrath of conservative thinkers. Unless you conveniently missed the endless complaints about pride jersey nights even existing
@@CS.94 Conservatives, pride community, they're both annoying as hell. I just want to enjoy hockey and not care about other people's problems. Neither group is happy unless they're in your face though and making everything about them.
This feels like when your kids are playing Xbox together and they start fighting over who gets the top half of the screen. They come bitching to you about it but you tell them to figure it out on their own. After a few minutes they're still going at it and you just turn off the Xbox and take the controllers away.
I couldn't be happier to be a hockey fan right now! And no, the NHL is not caving into societal pressure, they're objectively standing up to it. LGBTQism is everywhere and now it's starting to lose for a change.
I'm with the NHL on this one. As soon as you force your employees to take part in something despite their beliefs, you are corrupted. People should be free to do what they want, but in today's society, it's "do what you want unless it goes against me, then you can't do what you want." Freedom of speech doesn't mean everyone agrees on everything, it means people have a right to disagree. As a business, there is no benefit to creating controversy when it is not needed. It is not surprising to just scrap it altogether rather than create uneeded drama. As for those in that community who criticize and chastise those who choose not to take part in that political organization, they need to wake up. If you base whether or not you like something or how invested you are in a product on how much they pander to you and celebrate you, YOU are the problem. If you don't feel included or accepted unless you're celebrated all the time, YOU are the problem. You should not need special treatment to like something while trying to cancel those who don't agree. Equality is the norm, not the exception, so make it a norm and leave others alone. What that community is doing is no longer advocating for equality. That's chasing superiority. You can never say you that you stand for Equality and freedom of expression when that's exactly what you criticize when it affects you.
Forcing (or the media makes a big deal when the players don't wear them) players to wear jerseys for various causes is not support. Its just trying to get good publicity that I would think most of the executives don't actually care about.
To be perfectly honest i think this is a good thing going forward. Everyone thinks that this is officially a win for a certain group or the league backing down to a certain group. But it's not. This is the NHL just ending the arguments altogether. It's the parents stepping in when the kids are arguing. The kids both don't like it and think that they lost but it's what's best for everyone. I think it's best that hockey discussion is about hockey at the end of the day.
Yeah… I just really like the jerseys. I don’t disagree with “If you aren’t going to play nice, nobody’s gonna play” type of thing, and I wouldn’t be shocked if that was the reason, but those random jerseys are always siiick.. it’s why I love CHL/AHL theme nights. The concepts they create
My only issue with that take is that sports itself matters societally, it can be a vehicle for great things. Teams can have issues with wearing specific jerseys, but the thing is, some players and fans may have been upset at the ‘controversies’ but many others (what I would consider a silent majority) didn’t have a big issue with teams wearing the jerseys or not. I’m not advocating for forcing players to wear uniforms if they don’t want to, but to take the potential away to do good in a community which is who the team represents and plays for, on a more impactful level than just playing the sport is a gross disservice in my opinion. Public support means a lot for the people that often miss out on recognition and affirmation. Plus in a league like the AHL they have awesome specialty jerseys for movies/franchises/pop culture that reinforces the fun and expression sports provides. Instead we get bland corporate officials making the politically and economically safe decisions that kill any potential for fun/expression/representation. Just a massive shame in my opinion.
Good. This whole Pride shit has gone too far. I'm not saying it needs to be banned. It just doesn't need to be in every damned aspect of sports, entertainment, and life in general.
Two things... first: I allow all comments on this video and on my channel. I only remove comments when they're outright rude, threatening, etc. So discuss your opinions, either way, but maintain a basic level of decorum.
Second: don't wanna wear the Pride Jerseys? Fine lol. Don't want your team to do it? Fine. The Rangers and others did that last year. But to ban it is such weak shit and is the most NHL move ever.
Hockey is for everyone though right 😂 such a joke
It's becoming cancerous.
No
Agree
U want politics, then be a pundit. This is sports dude. Get a grip
“Hockey is for everyone” they say, blacking out the games in your area
I literally laughed out loud, actually snorted my coffee, when I read this one…. Great line!
*Everyone
(*with enough cash).
IPTV is the way. Fuck these low quality streams that come and go, and fuck giving huge telecom companies any of your money. You can get every broadcast of every game all season for less than it costs for a month of their shitty service that blocks 95% of games.
“Hockey is for everyone” especially if you’re vaccinations are current!
This is banger!
Let's be real, people did care about the Provorov and Staal situations. I vividly remember EJ Hradek telling Provorov to leave the country if he didn't agree with pride initiatives. Saying that no one cared is disingenuous.
That's not really what he meant. He meant that there have been no lasting consequences for their decisions.
provorov jersey sales went up dramatically. again, what material disadvantages did he face from this? aside from people on social media (which have no say in his pay or how his teammates treat him) /s
Provorov doesn’t agree with guys sucking each other off, and neither do I. Not only would I not wear the jersey I would burn that pathetic rainbow shit stained jersey.
But Provorov jersey sales took off, only AFTER he got the full Two Minutes Hate treatment.
And the psychological trauma of being Public Enemy Number One, however briefly, is nothing to scoff at.
A few genuinely horrifying messages directed at you is one thing. But when they come at you by the hundreds, or even the thousands, I don't care HOW tough you THINK you are, you WILL be affected by it.
@@ElonsgottagoI bet that if it was not a player with the star power like Provarv, they most likely would have been traded or sent out on wavers in a heartbeat.
Provorov was literally told to "go back to Russia"
Now, you _know_ you're misframing that. The message was if you don't support equal rights for gay people, go back to Russia, where discrimination against gays is *off the charts.* Nothing about it was xenophobic, but some media coverage certainly twisted it and presented it as such on purpose.
@@joshuaneal7552 If media coverage is intentionally twisting it and presenting it to hurt the player, then it DOES hurt the player.
@@guccilibrarian4728 I think you misread something. I didn't say people twisted *Provorov's* words. I said they twisted *Provorov's critics'* words, who said "go back to Russia." What they meant is go back to where homophobia is embraced, and people twisted it to mean it was something against Russians.
No fan or member of the media said that about of the Russian players who showed support for the initiative, because it has nothing to do with being from a certain physical section of land on the earth; it was about a negative part of the culture there that Provorov likes a lot.
Are sports games an appropriate place for Pride Night? No, not at all. But Provy, as well as all the other Pride Night protesters, didn't say that. They did not say, "this is an inappropriate time and place.” They did not say, "I don't like virtue signaling." They said they disagree with the initiative (promoting equality for people who still don't have equal rights).
Those players have every right I the world to hold that belief and to share that belief. And other people have every right in the world to criticize that belief. If that includes some people criticizing the entire homophobic system of his homeland, then oh well.
if you think there is no pushback/repercussions for refusing to wear pride gear you are outside of your mind
imagine being forced to violate your religion and openly display the gravest sin next to sloth.
ESG imvesting cannot come to an end soon enough, forcing agendas down people's throats is the quickest way to have it rejected.
Name any actual repercussions that have happened from anyone refusing to wear pride jerseys this past seasons.
@@TokyoSeventeen are you proud to be an American or Canadian or citizen of whatever country is unfortunate enough to claim you?
ohhh noooo the rich het white male aka the most oppressed minority how will they ever recover from a couple tweets 😢😢😢
@@mvximillivn Where did Trump touch you?
Forced support is not genuine support. it's not just the pride jerseys, it's Russians with families in Russia wearing USA military appreciation gear too and cancer night jerseys getting auctioned for $$ the team pockets in some way or just uses as a tax writeoff.
Didn’t even think about the Russian players, yeah that’s a very tough situation to be in
@@TheOriginalTuhat Well, it shouldn't be TBH. The Ukraine/Russia thing is a fake war, a proxy war, started by the globalists and now fueled by their puppet Biden. Any and all Russians should be and feel welcome in our country and our military will protect them on our soil. None of our military (at least those with two brain cells in the ranks) want any part of the Ukraine conflict. Besides, the biggest problem is not the military itself, it's the money and military resources being siphoned away from our nation.
Having to wear military stuff overall is really weird overall, especially in an international league.
Allt of people might be anti war and in most other countries we don't have the same pride Americans have in their military, that pride is weird to the rest of the world
The players can choose not to wear them. In the military gear and Russians case, nobody would blame them. The issue is literally made up.
No one - not even Provorov or any of the other Russian players - has ever refused to wear a Military appreciation jersey., though.
I disagree with the notion that Provorov and the others didn’t face any backlash. Many media personalities attacked them. EJ Hradek suggested Ivan move back to Russia and fight in the war. And I know Steve Dangle made a whole video ripping on James Reimer, even though he knows James and has said that he is a really great guy.
Why should their decision to not wear the jerseys make them immune to criticism? I mean Canadian sports media will literally jump at any opportunity to criticize lol.
@@noctaroh5121 because of a thing called freedom of expression... someone shouldn't absolutely "have" to bow down to the state-sponsored lgb religion, if it goes against their faith-values...
@@noctaroh5121 Is that your idea of making hockey for everyone? Attacking them is sooo welcoming.
@@Apoch86 provorov seems okay with going against his orthodox faith every day, seeing as he lives with his girlfriend and they are not married, which goes directly against his faith, far more blatantly than wearing a rainbow jersey. Also, very bold to claim that the LGBTQ+ community is a “state sponsored religion”, when every single prime minister in Canadian history has been a Christian, and the oath of office for Canadian parliament includes an affirmation to God that the vast majority of politicians in Canadian history have upheld. Don’t you think that’s a bit closer to state sponsored religion? I don’t recall a Canadian politician being sworn into office with the phrase “So help me LGBT”
@@deanschulze3129 fans and the media attack hockey players with a lot more piss and vinegar when they make a stupid play than this. Calling this an “attack” is honestly so pathetic. They got criticized for like a week in the media, which had absolutely zero impact on their career. They are grown ass men, if they want to be intolerant, they can handle some backlash. And I don’t think anyone with their beliefs is feeling any less welcome by the sport. Hockey growing up for me was full of casual homophobia, not jokes against straight people. How welcoming does that sound for a gay man?
If you think there is no pushback/repercussions for refusing to wear pride gear you are ignoring the lambasting the press lays on the players who refused. Sid Seixeiro formerly from Sportsnet - fine the Flyers 1 million dollars - comes to mind. James Reimer got completely roasted by the media. The rest of the world seems to be (somewhat) more reasonable - but anyone who holds the "if you don't wear the gear you are a homophobic bigot" position is completely opposed to the entirety of "hockey is for everyone". I'm fine with it as long as it is never expected to be mandatory with players not being able to withhold support for whatever reason they choose. The other theme nights are a loss though so I agree with your main point.
You mean people were called out for their decision to be bigots? They have a right to be bigots. We have a right to call them out for it.
@@HistorysRavendam, you are more dense than the center of the sun.
James Reimer should get roasted by the media, he's a terrible goalie.
@@HistorysRavenhey have a right to incorrectly refer to them as bigots, correct.
you're entitled to your opinion/belief of course, but so is everyone else. An opposing belief doesn't make anyone a bigot. If someone's belief is forced on everyone around them to the point of exclusion, there's a bigot involved, but it's not everyone else.
Nah man. The decision to have Pride nights was always a financial one and the decision to stop it was financial as well. Saying "hockey is for everyone" does absolutely nothing to attract new people to the game, it just makes them look like hypocrites when someone chooses to dissent and they get dragged in the media for it. More like, hockey is for those who agree with us. I played with gay guys when i was a kid decades ago. They weren't interested in the sport because of rainbow jerseys or stick tape.
The NHL, and other companies saw what happened to Bud Light and Target and made a financial decision to pull back. LGBTQ+ has become political and people want politics out of their entertainment.
BINGO
Yep.
Yep
It became political because of the right wing.
Yet the league endorses gambling.
money make the world go around bobby boy
A lot*
Gambling makes them hundreds of millions.
Alphabet group not so much.
Change the slogan from “hockey is for everyone” to “hockey is for shareholders”
its all about the benjamins for the NHL....they are pathetic.....soon we wont even be able to see the play on the ice because ads will be covering everything
Canadian media said Ivan Provorov should go back to Russia because he didn't want to wear Pride stuff
Canadian media at their finest.
The entire left was on his ass. Kneel or be cancelled is their moto
I mean Canada threatened to shoot truckers and steal money from their bank accounts for not working, having fun, and singing the national anthem. Canada needs a reality check.
Canadian media is the worst.
"Canadian Media" said that? I bet you have a link to back that up
There absolutely was some witch hunt type behaviour from sports commentators and pundits. Calling for Provorov, the Stalls and others to be kicked out of the leauge and have their livelihood stripped from them as punishment for not bowing at the alter of LGBT.
Psycho Sid was by far the worst. He should've been shunned for his statements. Dude gets jobs by being a good lil slave to the current thing
@@Darkhare33 Sidney Crosby or someone else
@@ChronicCast exactly
@@ChronicCasthow were they materially affected then?
This was the hugely hypocritical part from the pride supporters, the couldn't tolerate a few players openly refusing to support them, then jumped to accusations and calling for their heads. Some show of equality, eh?
Freedom of speech also means freedom to not speak.
theres rational ppl and then there' irrational ppl and those irrational ppl are homophobic ppl like yourself
Your employer doesn't owe you anything as it relates to free speech. You represent the organization, and the organization can set priorities, mission statements, policies, etc.
Freedom of speech ensures the government doesn't prevent you from expressing yourself, and that's about it. Why do people always act like their boss can't limit what they say/do at work?
Freedom of Speech dose NOT apply to employers and employees.
@@martharunstheworld BINGO !
Thank you for being informed
The boss's opinion comes first when the boss requests of you to do something.
You can refuse. Politely. And find a way to not work that day. But that's your only way out of it. You don't show up at all.
@@Alex-js5lgThe employee being a conglomerate that provides entertainment to the masses owes their customers though, and they'd much rather have a happy player that's popular with said paying customers than trample their rights on live television. Instant recipe for bad PR
NHL does not need a hockey is for everyone initiative, because it already is for everyone anyone who wants to watch or play can that whole initiative is literally bogus
The biggest barrier anyway is cost. If the NHL was serious about making hockey for everyone, they'd finance entire youth leagues and foot the entire bill.
You obviously didn’t grow up playing team sports. Or if you did, imagine having been gay in a room full of ‘bros’. Don’t you think it’s a little odd that there aren’t any openly gay NHL players? Do you think there’s something about hockey that makes all those who play it straight? I guess it’s not for everyone, is it.
Alright Gatekeeper
@@eddieMFsauceboyIf you have to be catered to, then the sport isn't for you :/. Go find something you enjoy and stop demanding special treatment.
Totally agree 💯
I'd just like to add that as a queer hockey fan, queerness being treated as a political issue SUCKS. It's the same for other minorities, I'm sure. A piece of yourself that you can't change like race, gender, sexuality etc. being treated like a political bargaining chip to debate is just awful to experience.
Thought i'd throw that out there.
Hard same, here. It isn't a political issue, it's a "Hey we see you, we hear you, we support you." which is so so important to so many people who have gone their lives being hated for who they were born as. I've just come from an especially toxic comment thread on another video about this and gods the amount of people saying "Good, let those R*pists and groomers burn" "Good, lets kill them" is.... way too high right now. The NHL pulling the support is telling those with all this hatred in their hearts that they're free to keep hating, that they SUPPORT their hate. And it's disgusting.
As a straight dude I’m not a fan of the gay pride shit either for all the obvious reasons but I have a lot of respect for comments like yours!
Be queer. Do what you want with who you want. But if you guys are just normal people in society, than you don’t need a night
@getcrazed2000 yeah, it would be nice if everyone thought queer people are "just normal". unfortunately, not everyone thinks that way. as long as homophobia exists, pride nights are still important.
@@getcrazed2000 they wouldn’t need one if people weren’t still homophobic.
The NHL was the NHL long before there was ever special warmup jerseys and it will still be the NHL now that they're getting rid of the special warmup jerseys.
It was still the NHL while they had the specialty warm up jerseys too. What the heck is your point?
@@astrobot3038it was drifting too much towards the woke plague and needed a wake up call, like what bud light and target got
@@timburr4453 You nailed it, bro.
@@timburr4453 The NBA is afloat solely because of the Chinese market. The brand is almost dead over here. The NHL doesn't have Chinese sugar daddies propping it up so it has to appeal to its fan base (which is sick of politics in its pro sports).
LOL! If any of this makes sense to someone who isn't drowning in conservative kool-aid, let me know.
The issue with saying "If you don't want to wear the pride jersey then don't" is that media laser focuses its attention on those players who do not wish to partake and it villainizes and puts a target on the player's back. The bottom line is that players should not be used by teams to push political narratives, initiatives, etc. The warmup jersey initiatives only serve to pander to the team's virtue and ostracize players who do not hold the same values.
Yeah, how dare those teams pander to the Fight Cancer crowd or those dirty St. Patricks Day virtue signalers. And don't get me started on the Military Appreciation night types. Nobody has the "right" to be a professional hockey player. And no one in the league can claim that they had no idea that the big bad media would be so mean. If some of these guys are too delicate for the media treatment they bring on themselves then perhaps they should work in construction or sell insurance.
@@j.frankparnell3087 You know very well the initiatives I was referring to, and thanks for the sarcasm but I won't return the insult in my response. Black Lives Matter, Pride Nights, and other Morality based initiatives that are divided among the culture and players are what I was clearly referring to.
The point is, the players have no business propping up the team's moral standards.
@@j.frankparnell3087 No one has the "right" indeed. Should be based on talent alone and nothing social or political.
@@j.frankparnell3087 Hey, have you heard about this thing called "cancel culture" that has gotten people fired? It affects professional athletes and people in construction and insurance as well. Fake tough guy clown.
I can agree and if that is the case can you at least admit that military appreciation night is ALSO POLITICAL. Or are we just going to make it about me and my fag friends when we show up?? We like hockey too yall, shocking as it may be.
I've always felt indifferent about the Pride warmup jerseys because in reality it has nothing to do with "inclusion" and is just low effort corporate pandering in most cases... But yeah, despite my indifference I fully agree that banning specialty warmup jerseys is just stupid, .
Are you a member of LGBT+ community? How do you know seeing teams where this doesn’t make people feel included?
@@eddieMFsauceboy Why do you need a propagated ideology locked to a flag to feel included? If you wanted to feel included wouldn't you not separate yourself from everyone else?
Funny because when they started being pushed more fans were complaining about all the tacky cash grab speciality jerseys.
The whole point of teams wearing matching Jerseys is to make them more cohesive...if you're forced to wear a Jersey that goes against your religious belief, or that would put you in political trouble in your home country...that ruins the team unity and starts fights and devision. They don't force LGBTQ people to wear "straight pride" jerseys....why should straight people have to wear "pride shirts"? Inclusive and fair means it should go both ways. I agree with getting rid of the pride Jerseys so the team can focus on the game, rather than sexuality.
thank god. no more military jersys. its got nothing to do with "inclusion"
I don’t think it’s a minority of people who don’t want it. I think people are just fed up with it everywhere plus as much as you want it to be about free speech, which it should be about free speech, it’s political and it’s clear at least in the US it’s becoming more and more unpopular
You've forgotten Provy having several NHL media types trash him including one saying he should go fight (and hopefully die) in Ukraine because of his (Orthodox Christian) views? Or others saying Igor Shesterkin was using his Christanity as an excuse to cover his hatred of the alphabet people?
Short memory I guess.
Some people love money and because those players didn't lose any money as a result, those people don't consider them harmed in any way.
@@mathman80 you have a good point here.
@@andrewgoodman4367 Eck was trying to make that point. You and I don't agree with it.
@@mathman80 no I realized that's what you were saying, that loss of resources isn't the only kind of pain, and, for many of us, it isn't even all that important compared to other issues.
Eck failed to tell us how LGB… supporters or members were materially affected. Emotional distress counts and that’s what Provy and others suffered…or may have suffered.
The league shouldn’t put players in the position to have to, by wearing a certain jersey or not, disclose their personal beliefs to the public. The players although in very public positions should have the right to privacy as well.
Did you not watch the video all of theses jersey nights are to raise money for different causes, so should they ban the indigenous jerseys, there are people who are against indigenous students getting free financial support to go to University witch other groups don't get, what about Veterans jerseys there are many people who don't support the wars around the world that America gets involved in, by YOURE logic we should ban all the special jersey nights so no one has to display there beliefs to the public in case they get judged for it.
Wasn't Provorov attacked because his beliefs are you kidding me that insider on NHL network that called him a douce bag and wanted the NHL to take action against him
But that’s not important!!! Only what happens after all of this does!!!’
Lol exactly, that idiot Sid wanted the Provorov to be fined or some shit
Yes, some idiot sports journalist in Toronto suggested he go die in a trench.
His beliefs were that of Russian Orthodox Religion. Please give a look at some of the rules that religion cites for those who practice it lol. He breaks countless rules every single day, some examples would be living with a spouse before marriage, wearing any time of sports equipment or garment, wearing shorts/short sleeves, growing a large beard. That’s just a few. Look, having your beliefs as a reason is totally fine but when you literally do not practice anything else within those beliefs besides the anti homosexuality stuff, it’s really really weird and lame. Loser shit.
@@Nasty0ldTree cope
Provorov was attacked in the media. I think the NHL did a good job defending his right not to 'celebrate' a thing he doesn't want to celebrate. Some in the gay community, and media, need to learn the difference between that and being 'anti'. Learn the difference between an unhealthy need for approval and simple acceptance.
Right……
Sure thing
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom for consequences
@@lordrayden3045 isn’t that statement a red flag?
Why can’t he just not celebrate something
@@lordrayden3045Children in Africa are dying of starvation or being used as child soldiers, slavery still exists in parts of Asia, no big organization criticizes the small hats for what they're doing to Palestine, the Uighurs are being placed in concentration camps, Rohingyas are being displaced, Indian muslims are being attacked, Sudanese civilians are refugees now, and you are offended over people not liking a rainbow. 🤦♂️
@@3liWeidner It's not a celebration of being gay, you goofball. It's a celebration of inclusion and advocating for equal treatment of everyone. If a player is going to say, "I am opposed to treating everyone equally," then he should expect to receive criticism. While Pride Nights are really just virtue signaling, those players still explicitly stated they are _against_ what that night Is about. That's bigotry.
Obviously Eck doesn’t know about ESG and CEI and other such policies. Imagine the uproar if teams had to wear a Christian themed uniform during the Christmas season. The thing about diversity and inclusion is that it’s actually the inverse. It’s about conformity and exclusion for those who do not conform. People are finally voicing their opinion regarding sports ball as pride, whether good or bad, is a political movement and people look to sports ball to get away from such things.
He's a beta. You can hear it in his voice.
Damn you nailed it! You totally see through this nonsense.
Christians haven't been discriminated and persecuted by the government in the U.S. since it was founded. This isn't about making it all pride filled, it's about opening hockey up to a group that has been discriminated against by Christians and the government in the past and currently.
@@cludecat7072 nobody discriminated against anybody. These people lived long fruitful lives unlike many other countries where they would be harshly dealt with. Stop making up lies. None of these people should ever be put on a pedestal. Now they want to broom children. Saf
@@cludecat7072 How does that make it open to them ? Who was stopping them from attending a game ? Nonsense. VIRTUE SIGNALLING . Period.
I’m sorry but if you don’t think players who refused to wear pride jerseys didn’t face any backlash then you’re just being ignorant. These players had to go on record and actually explain their reasonings because people were calling them homophobic and hateful. Only reason these players aren’t receiving relentless hate, is probably because there’s only so much you can be angry abt at once, and for these people they find a way to get enraged with practically anything. They openly hate and make claims abt someone, and move on to the next person they can attack for not agreeing with them. It’s disgusting. And you don’t even know what kind of messages they get personally. I guarantee you they still get hate comments for not wearing a jersey. Here’s the thing, in reality there are an infinite amount of topics that you could host special nights for. So when you pick and choose what you want to celebrate and honour, with some being controversial that not everyone will agree on, you’re creating conflict and division. Staying neutral and keeping hockey just hockey is the best thing they can do for everyone. And if you’re looking up to a professional sports league to talk about anything other then the sport, then you’re delusional. We have politicians, public speakers, protestors, presidents and prime ministers to discuss any issue you’re passionate abt. Everyone who watches the NHL, all shares a love for the game of hockey. So why not just keep it hockey related?
dosent matter first off why should a bigot not be hated for their views they hate others , its kinda werid to expect to be accepted for your views of hate u wont accept everyone else do u think u can punch someone and not expect to be punched back . , do u really think this isntt on par with being a racist all bigotry u desvere the hate that u spew out thats like getting mad at a cop forr killing a murderer u hate others u dont acceppt them thus your not accepted the murderer murders someone thus their murdered its fair get over it , are u the type of guy to think u can beat someone up but if they defend their selfs their the true evil .. cause its werid to think u can express hate towards others without backlash
@@lilwoodiewood3457 You are a shining example of the current mindless progressive worldview. It's obvious from your ranting post that you are incapable of any form of rational thought or discourse.
It is full of name calling, false equivalences and hyperbolic nonsense. More the ravings of a lunatic than adult.
W comment
Let's remove Military Appreciation Night too then.
@@YoskiRS Are people who sacrifice and lay down their lives for your freedom controversial?
I'm gay. I could not possibly care less if a player doesn't feel comfortable wearing a pride jersey. You are 100% allowed to have an opinion. People can disagree with me. It's coil.
Well said. Thank you.
Based gay person
More people need to have this attitude. As a bisexual hockey fan I don’t need my sexuality celebrated to be made to feel welcome anywhere because I’m not that insecure.
Good for you
Can't please everyone, so best not try to. Let individual players promote the causes they believe in on their own. Or have teams sponsor fundraising events separate from their games.
This is the best way this could have happened, pride nights, military appreciation night, hockey fights cancer are all still gonna happen and the charities are still getting their money. All that's changing is players won't be wearing the Jersey's, thus ending the arguments that neither side is gonna change their minds on
Yeah exactly. This is a bit of a case of a bad apple spoils the bunch, but in all honesty, it's for the best. Leave hockey as hockey. Our sports don't need to be political, that's not why any true fan of any sport watch them, regardless of where we stand politically.
I watch, or watched, sports to avoid politics and not to be drawn into it.
People get upset when there’s a section of other people that refuse to go along with the approved messaging. If we’re all about inclusion and respect, that also means dissenters.
Inclusion Is only when you agree with their opinion or side. Funny all the White people who are for 'diversity and inclusion' don't seem to realize they don't want to include you. Let's stick to hockey and leave out the garbage.
No, stop trying to make pineapple on pizza a thing. It's not a thing. ;P
@@patrickgoulet8170 It is a thing. A fucking glorious thing at that.
Small minority? Ask Bud Light
Every single company that has taken a temporary dip due to fake outrage has come back stronger, every single one. Starbucks, Nike, Goodyear, Goya (yup even the blue boycotts fail), Anheuser-Busch all came back stronger than they were before the fake outrage took place.
You obviously don't get what minority means. In the grand scheme of things, you guys are indeed a small minority. You are just very loud when it comes to voicing your opinion, whereas those who don't care won't say anything. Pretend only 10% of people are actually angry about organizations celebrating gay people. A 10% decrease in sales is not good, but it's still a small minority. 90% still invests in that product. For Bud Light it was 25%, a minority but not that small. That's also because they appeal more to self conscious white men. Hope you understand now.
@@TheSnapback Nice. Way to talk down to people who disagree, par for your people. We are not a small minority. We are a waking giant that drew the line when your crowd started telling kids to mutilate their bodies. We've had enough. As for your silly tone, careful.
@@TheSnapback "SMALL minority". 49% might be a minority, but it's not small (not saying that it was 49% in this instance). A small minority might be around 10% or less. Bud light's stock tanking wasn't caused by a "small minority". It was caused by a lot of people who were tired of this (yes, I'm saying it) woke bullshit. Dylan Mulvaney is getting free money for being trans. Dylan has made fun of women, but that's okay because they're trans.
@@TheSnapbackpeople are sick of Pride, even the people that are indifferent would probably rather not deal with this crap
Provorov still living in peoples minds rent free
Well said. 😅
I have been of the mind for a long time that there is no need for ANY of the jerseys. They want to support a charity, put a table in the lobby of each arena for each cause. They do it with animal shelters, i am sure that they can do it for domestic violence or vets or cancer or gays or whatever. Let the people decide where their money should go.
I was embarrassed to be a hockey fan when players were seen as bigots for not a wearing pride jersey
are you racist because you dont celebrate lunar new year? so its not transphobic or whateverthefuckphobic to not wear a pride jersey
Well in Bidens America they are.
How they didn't force the Blackhawks owners to sell, covering up Operation Slapshot, and this shit is just beyond baffling. Another piece of Bettmen and the NHL's incompetence.
Then rig it for cb
@@bonn1771Hawks winning the lottery was proof if anything that the lottery was legit
Maybe it's coz Kyle Beach is a liar and the event didn't go down exactly as he would like you to all to believe
@@danialholland784 victim blaming?
@@danialholland784 what kind of piece of shit dismisses SEXUAL ASSAULT that was proven to be legitimate
Why are people so hellbent on forcing players to conform to these 'support' strategies? Let them make their own choices. Good on the league.
No one was forced. They've literally forced the issue now by taking the decision away from teams. You're clearly not educated on the issue
It’s their choice. Freedom of choice. Ever hear of it?
@@EckHockey oh, that’s an absolute lie when you have announcer saying they should be fined millions of dollars and lose their ability to play just because they don’t support current cultural filth.
They literally had the choice, and it's amusing to watch people cry that others free speech hurt them
@EckHockey well, you must not know much about the pandemonium it's caused throughout both the US and Canada (and Russia, for that matter). Might want to consider broadening your horizons.
NHL needs to focus on hockey, its product. Lately, like too many things, they've moved away from their product and then wonder why support is waning. They are alienating their fans who come, for surprise, hockey not some activist event of the day.
About time some common sense prevailed. Let hockey be hockey, it’s enough.
Its all so exhausting... it all revolves around narcissism. Do what youre gonna do in the bedroom and just shut up about it
@@mrplow2843 Even if they shut up, you'd still find a way to complain. People like you are never happy.
Stick to Hockey. Great move by NHL.
Agreed! Can't wait to not see those camo jerseys or that pink bullshit out there.
@@Snnnnapi personally think it’s fine. that “pink bullshit” you’re referring to has a meaning. Cancer. Cancer research, cancer battle. Camo represents our troops. The men who keep our countries free and safe. Both America and Canada. They have good meanings. The pride is a bit of a stretch, but it also has good meanings. If players don’t wanna wear them, that’s fine. We shouldn’t ban it league wide
Everytime a player decided to not wear a pride jersey they were attacked on social media as if they killed a bunch of puppies. The community made this an issue instead of just letting people live their life they're trying to make everyone fall in line with what they believe or else. It's not very inclusive or tolerant and it really paints them in a bad light.
"just letting people live their lives?"That's exactly what Provorov's church doesn't do! That's why it's valid to criticize him for his hypocrisy. Churches in general are all about trying to make everyone fall in line,don't you know?
Its tolerance and inclusion so long as you support the narrative.
Yep and Eck is now apart of them, making videos and attacking fans of hockey for not supporting this.
Amen
Yep the players were attacked on social media and yet at the same time the players who chose not to wear the pride jerseys had their jerseys sellout.
Sid Sixeiro went on live TV calling for the Flyers to be fined 1 million dollars and for Provorov to be suspended, that goes MUCH further than just "disagreeing". There were absolutely calls for cancelation of these players. The irony here is that the very people that exploded over this and called for heads were the reason the jerseys were canceled.
Bingo.
I posted a reply to this video with links to the youtube videos of Sid and EJ Hradek venting on Provorov several times and each time it disappeared. Not sure how moderation works but that is nasty.
Hockey is for everyone "who wears the ribbon."
It was turning into zealotry. Glad common sense prevails.
He said nobody was materially affected. Who cares what some hockey pundit yelled about? I'm sure there were nut jobs on the internet calling for his head, too.
Yeah, blame the people that want the NHL to improve.
I don’t agree with your take that players who refuse to wear pride night jerseys won’t be ostracised. Did you conveniently forget about the media’s vicious attack on Ivan Provorov? They were calling him homophobic and demanding that he gets fined or suspended even though he didn’t say anything bad about the LGBTQ community. Even the NHL network pundits attacked him LOL. I am not the biggest fan of Bettman. But I do understand why he has decided that teams would not wear the pride jerseys next season. He wants to avoid the controversy and negativity around situations where players decide to not support the LGBTQ community due to religious or other reasons. I don’t get why you are flipping out over this. There will still be pride nights next season but just without the jerseys. I don’t get how wearing a rainbow colored jersey is going to help get rid of homophobia in society. The whole concept is just dumb anyways 🤷🏻♂️
What's dumb is that something rainbow bothers people in the first place. It's all you talked about, but I'm just sad there's no more wasac or st Patrick's jerseys and shit like that.
True facts. Look at that Sid Seixeiro guy attack Provorov on a television talk show. He was like a raving maniac.
Minority? Majority. A very silent majority.
silent majority LOL
Silent majority is a minority because clearly it’s never been a big enough issue for y’all to do anything about it 💀
@@vegas_mapletreesGermany 1933
@@ianlaswick9505 so you're admitting you're a nazi and/or support such ideology ? THAT'S WILDDD
bad take, politics and social justice don't belong in sports. It is supposed to be an escape from all this bull shit, not be a mouthpiece for whatever people are outraged about in the current month.
players should have zero opinions about anything since everything can be considered political is basically what your saying. No interviews please somebody might get offended by something they say
politics and social justice don’t belong in sports? how do you think minorities started playing in the league? why do you think there are barely any black hockey players? because this idiotic idea that social justice doesn’t align with sports. sports aren’t an escape. they’re played by real people with real lives and opinions. just like yourself. who’ve got friends and family just like yourself who they want to support while being in their profession
@@bobloblaw7030 cry more, their interviews should be about the game. Why should I give a fuck what some sport players take is on an issue, they are paid to play not to preach
@@Aj-sn1dp minorities not being in the league? I don't give a shit about a players skin colour or what they believe in as long as they play the game at the highest skill level.
@@Aj-sn1dp The difference between blacks and gays is no one needs to know you're gays. To this day a lot of Gays don't publicize that they are in fact gay. Being more accepting doesn't mean letting them rub it in your face.
Politics have no place in sports period. Im happy they are going ahead with not wearing any sort of themed jersey
i hate to break it to you but politics has ALWAYS been apart of sports. have you been living under a rock?? 😂
@@denisa6859 never should of been. Do you not get the guy's comment or?
Freedom of sexuality shouldn't be political to begin with
@@denisa6859 I never said they weren't part of it, I said they don't belong silly
@FlyingShibaMFB no one should care about peoples sexyality and you shouldn't want to express it to everyone. Literally no one cares
I get that this is something you’re emotional about and I agree with 99% of what you say, but to say nobody cared about players not wearing pride jerseys makes your argument sound less objective and disingenuous.
Guys with major platforms eviscerated players that didn’t wear pride jerseys. Sid Seixeiro went on a tirade ripping Provorov and said he shouldn’t be able to play. Steve Dangle, who acknowledged Reimer is the nicest guy ever, said him not wearing a pride jersey is hateful. Not sure how you can be the nicest guy ever and hateful.
The pride movement is supposed to represent people standing by their beliefs but those who don’t share those beliefs aren’t afforded the same right.
Of course you can be hateful and nice at the same time. He might have been nice to Steve cause Steven is a well known media figure, white male and presumably hetero. If he were black, female and queer, it’s not unreasonable he would not have been so kind to him.
@@wghd6782 But you don't know, chances are he would be kind to those individuals and it's projection on your part that you think otherwise.
@@wghd6782 That's entirely speculation based on his race and orientation. How do you know his attitude towards other people? Pretty prejudiced statement tbh
@@gayracistretard Is it? The guys' oppinion on the matter (of sexuality at least) are pretty clear.
It seems that when a leftist takes a stand, they are emotional. But, when a conservative takes one, it's non inclusive and bigoted. The leftist agenda is not about inclusion, it's about forced compliance.
Who said hockey wasn’t for everyone?
i mean there’s plenty of homophobic people lol
@@Colbyw74 I dont know anyone who has a fear of gay people. That term is silly.
@@JC-ct7wp Look up the definition of “homophobic”.
@@JC-ct7wpphobia doesn't purely mean an irrational or intense fear, it also means an extreme aversion (meaning dislike or disinclination) to something.
Furthermore, the usage of words and their meanings changes throughout history. "Gay" doesn't mean happy anymore. "Awesome" and "awful" used to mean the same thing, and now they mean the exact opposite.
Let me be clear, I don't have a particular stance on the topic at hand, I don't really care about the subject matter the video regards, but I felt inclined to point out that to say "homophobia" means a fear of homosexuality is ignorant.
if you were joking, my bad
Narcissists.
imagine the uproar from fans if a player said “i will not wear the military warm up jersey.”
Tbh NA military is the reason why you're alive right now. Doesn't matter what political side you are on or the terrible tours USA does in foreign countries. The truth is you are alive because of them regardless of their baggage.
You're in denial if you don't think so.
@@anonymous134ylol no
@@anonymous134y i mean in my case you are correct but how many people aren't alive because of our militaries. I support the soldiers sailors airmen marines seals ect. But I don't support the leadership.
Same military that killed my people during Wounded Knee, or the Trail of Tears? Yeah, I’m sure they’re definitely why I’m here after slaughtering hundreds of us unarmed LMAO
@@anonymous134yYeah, dude without the US military the hordes would just wash across America and murder literally every one of its citizens down to a man. Imagine actually being this brainwashed.
A lot of people in these comments are focusing only on Pride jerseys, forgetting that this also affects Hockey Fights Cancer, St Patricks Day, Lunar New Year, Black History month, hispanic appreciation, First Nations/indigenous appreciation, Military appreciation, and all the other fun special warmup jerseys that teams wear during the season.
We are all people. Let's stop talking about the differences that are being put out there to divide us. I like how Morgan Freeman addressed Black History Month and that all it is doing is keeping racism alive. If I was black, I wouldn't want the idle gesture of one month being dedicated to the "lip service" of acknowledging me. If we all stop acknowledging these messages that are designed to separate and cause divisions, "they" will soon realize that their narrative is falling on deaf ears, because we all know who we are - beautiful living beings with the instinct to love and care for ourselves, our families and our neighbors.
Because the Pride jerseys are the only one wrapped up in controversy. None of the other things are going against players' religious or personal beliefs.
So essentially, one minority cause has ruined it for everyone else because of their screeching and crying.
@@lonnietkach3305 you have no idea the whole reason for pride. Ppl were not accepted anywhere and are still not just for being who they are
@@clark85 Where exactly are they checking sexual preferences at the door of the arenas of NHL games and turning non-hetero people away? Please be specific.
Oh yeah thanks for reminding us, most of those are stupid too with the exception of Hockey Fights Cancer so overall it’s a big net positive
Let’s all just agree to keep politics off the ice, good move by NHL
Bro what? No way in hell is for example military night is political. Same with hockey is for everyone 🤦
@@AndrewH1220 military is inherently political
@@AndrewH1220do you understand the military follows orders based on politics of the current political leader?
@@doom4136 so showing support to vets and people are active in the military is political now so dumb plus hockey beats cancer is definitely not political same with other culture night like Chinese new years
Except all of them were ostracized when they made their comments of not wearing those warm-ups. It did eventually go away by the end of the season.
I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for this, but I support this decision. Sports isn't a place where political perspectives should be pushed, that's what different news sources are for. You should be able to turn on your tv to watch a hockey game without a political narrative being shoved down your throat. It isn't a secret that most members of the LGBT community and those who support it are on the liberal side of politics, so for hockey fans on the conservative side, especially in places like Dallas, Raleigh, and Nashville, it's sort of a slap in the face to turn on your tv and see your favorite team expressing support towards something that you don't totally agree with. It would be like if a left-leaning person turned on the tv and saw their favorite team wearing pro-life jerseys. Now, this would never happen, since organizations like the NHL swing left, and there are leftists who are pro-life, but the to majority that aren't this would be very upsetting. All of the LGBT stuff really shouldn't have been politicized in the first place, but that's what happened, and the NHL needs to take into account that a large portion of their fanbase doesn't support it. And that's exactly what they did, and I'm proud of them for that.
It's not political: One side wants to simply exist. The other side says that their existence is immoral. This isn't rocket science.
Supporting LBGBT is not political. Believe it or not, those people are part of society. They exist. And some of them actually like hockey. Just like Natives. Just like blacks. Choosing to recognize them is not political. It's inclusive, showing people of different races and culture that they can be accepted into hockey. What you're saying is that the NHL should only respect the feelings of the people who aren't LBGQT, or Native American or Black. Not having the theme jersey nights is a slam in the face to all those people who aren't straight or white or identify as other than their born sex.
And also, how many times have you turned on a game and actually seen players in their themed warm-ups? Most of the time, the warm-up time it taken up by pre-game shows. And only the fans that arrive early at the games actually see the player wearing the warm-ups.
@@cheaboiMWA Okay bud, didn't know rioting through cities, causing damage and vandalism was "wanting to simply exist". If all they wanted was to be accepted into society then maybe they shouldn't spend do much time shoving their ideals down our throats and calling us bigots if we don't agree.
@@CarolinaSports Yeah let's just ignore the side that stormed the FUCKING CAPITAL dude..... 💀💀😂
@@cheaboiMWAthose people can exist without spewing that shit down everybody’s throats
I watch Hockey for Hockey. Not to see what social/political stance teams or players have and my morning poop means more to me than people opinions on those matters. N that shit gets flushed. 😂😂
It’s for the better. No more unnecessary controversies
No, they just satisfied one side of the table. It is still just as controversial, but now the other side is in outrage. You really think getting rid of all of these beneficial theme nights eliminates all controversy? You realize these theme nights donated to charity right? This included cancer night, and military appreciation night. All because of you big crybabies that are afraid of some players wearing a rainbow jersey for a single warmup game.
@@TheSnapbackthey're not getting rid of the theme nights, just the warmup jerseys.
Saying that "nobody cared" about the players who refused to wear the pride jerseys is wildly inaccurate at best and deliberately disingenuous at worst. Here's a partial list of some prominent reactions:
A fuming EJ Hradek said (on NHL Network) that Provorov "should go back home and join the Russian army." Matt Larkin of Daily Faceoff railed on Twitter against the Flyers for allowing Provorov to still play that night, and accused Provorov of "encouraging hate against these communities." A Canadian show host named Sid Sexiero, foaming at the mouth, said that the Flyers should be fined a million dollars (actually) for allowing Provorov to play, and insisted that he be forced to undergo mandatory "reform training." Steve Dangle released an LFR bashing Reimer for 15 minutes (who has not been on the Leafs for more than half a decade now, for those who are unaware), saying "hate takes many forms."
These are just some of the figures in the media. I saw people online bemoaning the fact that all 3 Staal brothers made the 3rd round, celebrating the "karma" of Marc and Eric losing in the Cup Final, and when Provorov got traded to Columbus/Reimer signed with the Wings, their decisions were brought up almost immediately on social media (as in, "why would the Jackets/Wings sign a player who's an open bigot?"). If you want to be angry about the jerseys being banned, that's your prerogative, but let's not pretend that "nobody cared" when a player refused.
Don’t have to much to add, all I’ll say is that calling a move like this “baby --“ is pretty uninformed. If this is a sign of the NHL moving in a non political direction, than that is a wonderful thing that most fans can get behind. The pride jersey thing was definitely controversial, understand that there are still very large amounts of people who support and oppose them. Eliminating things that can be so divisive like this is a good thing. Sports are an escape for most people, they don’t want politics and controversy fronted through it.
I appreciate you making your argument from a free speech perspective as opposed to an overtly political one. That helps keep the dialogue honest versus allowing it to becoming a screeching match like too many of our modern day interactions. Keep up the great work!
excellent comment
Ya..we don't want the idiocy that happens on the hill to hit fan land.
A lot of us are on the fence someplace and likely to be rather rude or should i say excessively rude to one side or the other.
Free speech? He's removing comments and banning people on here that he's disagrees with. How's this free speech?
The first statement by the NHL that you posted is a wise position by the NHL.
Warm up jerseys are not a place to create or attract controversy. The teams will still fully support pride month and their other causes with PR and fundraising. Warm up jerseys will still be sold and auctioned to create funds.
Today's decision reveals how much the NHL Board of Governors is concerned about creating bad PR.
But they weren’t concerned about other bad pr stuff- just the pride jersey controversy stuff so pretty hypocritical to me
They could just as easily sell said jerseys in the shops without forcing players to wear them, and I would wager that not a single player would be concerned or care (as long as their jersey number or name is not on the ones for sale).
It's not like they're even "game worn" merchandise either.
@@fleatactical7390 but they aren't forcing players to wear them.
@@daekry How predictably disingenuous.
So you think there is no ramification to a player refusing to wear a jersey?
Did you miss the whole point of this video and not read any of the comments here? SMH
@@fleatactical7390 I'm saying none of these "ramifications" are real problems. You've got one loudmouth media goon saying go back to Russia, and some people being rude on social media. and that's basically it. Problems so tiny they aren't really problems at all.
I think, a good way to handle this issue, is to not have a warm up jersey of the day, and instead let players themselves choose causes to support during warmups. That way, every player can show their own support to causes without forcing other players to as well, cause like it or not, people disagree, it’s human nature. I personally support every cause I’ve seen represented by a warm up jersey, but I know others might not.
Honestly, while this is messy and complicated (some causes are going to get turned down), it might be the best situation.
But no one was ever forced.
@@xczechr ... yet they were "blacklisted" and called out by Media Enforcers if they dared to exercise personal freedoms. So yeah, they were "forced"... Fortunately, freedom prevailed and the pendulum as swung back.
NHL should just stick to hockey and stay out of social political agendas or social engineering of any sort. More than any sport hockey is family and kid oriented and inclusion takes care of itself on the rink and in the locker room. This whole jersey thing is driven by corporate executives and lawyer types and bullying anybody around religious beliefs is against the principles of hockey. Frankly i am surprised there are not law suits against teams and or suits against the likes of media talking heads around public defamation of certain players. It should happen - these media people are too self important. Discrimination on the basis of religious convictions is unconstitutional
They'd never do that. The NHL, teams, AND players generally dislike individuals drawing away from the team. It's a "distraction" or whatnot. If you think it's annoying when a player refuses to wear a pride jersey, imagine the mayhem that ensues when a player insists on wearing a MAGA hat.
this is absolutely the correct call to make
MLB needs to follow suit.
@@mikejunior211 agreed. enough virtue signaling, just let us watch sports without us having to support something new every month.
@@rosetta-stxned💯💯💯💯
Rare L from Eck, just a really naive take and lack of overall awareness here.
this video is an absolutely insane level of unawareness of the greater culture war.
I think that this decision by the league is in response to a widespread change in the general perception of pride symbols/imagery and using them for marketing and publicity purposes, as well as the perception of pride itself. I'm not going to take a side in this comment, but what I'll say is that it's clear that a growing number of people are making the decision not to spend their time and money with companies and organizations that are endorsing pride.
The NHL is doing what they think is best for their brand. In my opinion, the league was only endorsing pride as a virtue signal and I think this proves that.
I've been keeping track of this for a long time because I do have an interest in politics and I've noticed that the way that the general public in both Canada and the United States view pride and the LGBT community has changed significantly, particularly in the last two years. It's become a much more divisive and controversial topic as of late. I've seen and been a part of many online communities completely unrelated to pride where certain members of the community bring the topic into the community and it always immediately results in chaos and I've seen it rip apart entire communities within days after the first person to bring it up does so. Usually what ends up happening is either, A) Group admins and moderators decide to play the roles of activist and gatekeeper and start mass banning anyone that shows any sort of opposition to pride being brought into in that community, neutral perspectives often get you banned in these cases too. B) People leave in large numbers to get away from what they see as pride invading their community C) The community just becomes a place where everyone argues about pride and then eventually becomes inactive when the arguing finally dies down. D) The admins of the community say something like "everyone is welcome here, but keep politics out of this please", sometimes that one results in more arguing or the community getting banned/removed.
This is a widespread thing on the internet and has been for years, but it's gotten MUCH worse in the last couple of years. Because of that, I really can't blame people that want nothing to do with the topic or want it not brought up in their communities.
Simply put, pride doesn't appear to have a very good reputation right now and even the community appears to be at odds with itself. I've even heard of a movement within the community to make LGB it's own community.
This is just my observations though, not telling anyone to endorse/support pride or to not do so. I'm simply weighing in on the topic and sharing my observations.
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"No one could tell me how any person was materially affected..."
E.J. Hradek called for the death of Ivan Proborov because he wouldn't participate. Why did you leave that out, Eck?
Then there's Brian Burke. He thinks he can dictate to everyone that we all have to adopt his values and beliefs.
You're right when you say the NHL doesn't make any effort to make hockey for everyone. How welcome do Ivan Proborov and James Reimer feel after being attacked the way they were?
Lol as if the religious rich guys are the oppressed ones here, queer people deal with death threats everyday and events that normalise being queer help prevent that and send a message to the people that need support.
@@gog4life708 well that’s absolute lies. Anybody can look at the media and see that the gay agenda is being pushed while the actual biblical view is being demonized.
Ummm where did you get that info? Calling for the death of someone and telling them to go back to there homeland where his views are more excepted are two very diffrent things (Still not a nice things to say however)..... Im assuming it was left out of the video due to the fact it didnt happen? Idk drop the link and make me eat my words.
Great move. And I disagree with you saying that a "minority" of fans disagree with pride night. Idk what its like up in Chinada but here in the states its pretty frowned upon. Just look at the comments section of any pride themed ig post.
The biggest reason it's frowned upon is honestly just because nobody likes big corporations. Even though queer support is high in the USA, as it should be, nobody likes when a company tries to celebrate queer pride because it just looks like they're doing it for marketing reasons. Like why people think pride month is a gimmick to get LGBT people and allies to buy more shit from them.
maybe if you are in your own bubble it is but most people go oh you support pride cool... so how is your day going and that is it
Minority, no, we are the majority! Pride doesn't belong in hockey! If a team chooses to do it fair, but if players don't want to wear it they don't have to. Why do they have to get cancelled after chosing not to wear it? Also, provys jersey was the hottest selling jersey after he didn't wear the pride, yeah, we are the majority and pride is nearing its end!
Yes!!!! ✊✊✊✊
I endorse this NHL decision 100%
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The vast majority of us do.
Damn straight! No more veterans appreciation jerseys, no more hockey fights cancer jerseys. Cuz fuck those snowflake vets and snowflake cancer patients too! I sure as shit don't attend hockey games to be fed no American military industrial complex ideology, or any of that big pharma bullshit either.
@@vegas_mapletrees Why do people misinterpret the 'snowflake' thing? I became a thing to mock people who insisted they were completely unique from the crowd (i.e. emo kids, 48 different genders, etc) and had nothing to do with an insult toward anyone who was offended by anything.
@@calvinbaII I tend try to not use it as a insult weapon, but I use it just to spite people who use it as an insult, since it's usually the "we hate pronouns" crowd that uses it for stupid reasons, and I always found it stupid. Other than that, I wouldn't use it to describe someone who's offended, and it's just a thing out of spite that I do.
I feel like a nice alternative to all of these night would be to have, for each theme night, something like five players that come out and specifically sign up to wear the jersey. This way, no spectacle is made of a player not wearing one, but they can make more of a positive show out of the players that chose to wear them, and maybe some of the personal connections that came with it. Also, the jersey auctions would be more exclusive and stuff to make that more of an event.
Or, we just avoid those hot topic "issues" that go against religious beliefs. Things like cancer, the military, indigenous populations are innocuous. But we can't have a certain minority population being left out, now can we?
How can you classify pride night as a political issue and not military night?
@@fleatactical7390 Not getting into what you’re saying, the idea I came up with removes the problem with that, cause you don’t even have to say a thing of your beliefs don’t support it. You just have a few people that either support or just want to be kind, and the rest are assumed to be innocent or at worst lazy.
@@OwenJMathews..because the military fights for our freedom and actually does something
@@beammeup1930 The military murders women and children
Columbus had all player support and we called it "Hockey is for Everyone" instead of pride. I believe this is more inclusive to all groups. I could be wrong I'm willing to hear all sides but I think Columbus did it right!
I'm pretty sure they call it "hockey is for everyone" at all rinks in the NHL. The problem is when a player chooses not to wear a jersey, they get dragged by media and fans, which is quite hypocritical. The message sent is that hockey is for everyone, except those who have different views on issues. Not very inclusive.
When the specialty night is literally for everyone, it's no longer special, and is just generic corporate gladhanding.
That's why you have more than one specialty night, to support different groups of people and actually recognize them.
@@cjlb49 this is where you gotta say, hey it's a warmup jersey my guy let the fans feel included. You can keep your values it's just a sweater
@@seymourglass26 I mean I really wouldn't mind more specialty nights celebrating anything really. Some of the warmups are sick and we need more jerseys as fans
@@seymourglass26 Why do we need to recognize and celebrate sexual preferences and relationships at a family event with children present?
"nobody cared when the Staal brothers didn't wear the pride jerseys"....WAIT WHAT?!? Its probably the biggest reason of why they ain't doing it because of the shitstorm that created at the time. I don't care about the whole thing (The NHL DOESN'T CARE about Pride or any special nights...they just want to sell special edition jerseys....750$ for a Canucks jersey? C'mon...)
The problem wasn't so much by fans against the whole thing but when a player decided not to do it then people had a field trip on twitter about it.
Freedom of speech doesn’t include freedom from consequences
@@lordrayden3045 look at it this way, imagine you have a view on something (right or wrong, doesn't matter) then people laugh at you for having that belief...will you change view because of it or just feel bullied and just double down on it? You can't force your views on people, only educate
Maybe the Pride Nights would have been more successful if every player who respectfully declined to participate in the Pride jersey warmups weren't put on blast by the media, ironically taking attention away from the cause to focus on a very small group of people who are not involved 🤷🏻♂️
Times have changed. The LGBT community has an overwhelming amount of support now compared now compared to a decade or two ago. The focus should be on that overwhelming support instead.
There’s a whole lotta anger towards LGBT folk in this comment section, idk I think the hockey community has a ways to go
@@bluespot3332 again, that does not change the overwhelming amount of support the LGBT community has. Who cares what some homophobes on RUclips say? They cannot escape criticism entirely. But they can cherish what they have. Support. From the media. From their peers. From their friend circles. It's there.
@@HeyLookPropaneI don’t support all parts of the lgbt community, only the trans part. This doesn’t mean I don’t respect them as human beings and call them what they want to be called. This means I don’t support there actions but I don’t wish any illness or hate towards them.
Would you call me bad person or just some who has a different opinion?
the players that didnt wear jerseys were in fact attacked socially . great move by the nhl in my view. corporations should stay away from causes , its non of their business
Tons of justification for it in here too, it's crazy. People think that not being outright supported means that you're somehow hated. I'd love to see the reaction they'd have if the team wanted them to come out sporting religious symbols or something they didn't agree with. Way too much controversy to be worth it, imo.
its good that they banned it
Wanna say why? And don't go on with this "politics" BS because I doubt you wanted to ban military appreciation night.
Players shouldn't be forced to take a stance on any culturally controversial issue that could put them at odds with the fans, the media or the owners. Forcing people to show who they support is a very authoritarian thing to do.
Tell me, how do you feel about players being forced to stand for the National Anthem?
@@kkeelty64they aren’t 🤣
Freedom of speech also applies to us to critisise individual players who 'exercise their freedom of speech'
So criticize them then, what's stopping you?
@@bigdgoriderswell now they can't critizie them because they won't find out who they are. No more alienating players and that scares them. Boohoo
Why’d you put quotes around “exercise their freedom of speech”? You think that’s not a valid expression of their rights? If they don’t want to wear a specific jersey because it stands for something they don’t believe in, then they shouldn’t have to. End of story.
Overall, last season, all pride night really did was divide the hockey community and create a major distraction, not because the cause itself is distracting or necessarily bad at all, but people's opinions on it right now are more divided than ever. So to avoid all this drama and noise causing bad publicity for the NHL, its easier to just get rid of all themed jerseys (which by the way, are still being produced and sold, and there will still be HFC, Military, and Pride night, but the jerseys just wont be worn in warmups). It takes the pressure away from teams and players to essentially make a choice to support the cause or not, with no neutral option. I don't see this as the NHL going back on their Hockey is for everyone statements, I see it as a response to the backlash they got for Military and Pride night last season. Don't want pride/military/police jerseys to be worn? Then no themed jerseys will be worn at all. This isn't the NHLs fault in my eyes, its the hockey community and our inability to put prejudices, from both the right and left, aside.
Bettman is being cowardly. The hockey community wasn't divided 50/50. It was 5/95. 5% of fans got all bent out of shape, 95% said: "that's cool" or "doesn't matter to me, party on." Rock the jerseys, and the people that don't like it can pound sand or go get a beer during warmups.
No, the NHL supported a radical political position. They chose sides politically and made pariahs of players that opposed them
The NHL did not follow their own policy. The NHL deserves to lose games and.
Well said
@@rayh592 "You are welcome here" = radical political position. Clownshoes.
@@KB-uo3nw thats not what pride is anymore... hasn't been since 2012
Its now exclusionary.
"If you don't want to wear the (political statement) jersey the team is forcing you to wear, don't." But be ready to get fined, canceled, sent to a lower league, ostracized, etc. Many times, a player is unable to choose not to do something that's not related to their profession and something they find offensive.
yah i think its more to protect the players. no ones career needs to get cancelled because of their beliefs. people watch hockey for the game alone.
So in otherwords their beliefs and principles don't matter, only LGBTQ's does. That makes a lot of sense.
So everyone should just shut up and be a follower, is what you're saying? Screw your religion, screw your principles and screw your beliefs basically that's what others want to see and hear or you'll be fired or ostracized for it. Enough is enough of this type of bs that is being forced onto others. I'm glad the NHL is getting rid of that crap.
I’m a combat war veteran, but I don’t feel anyone should be forced to wear a jersey to include me. Wish we could stick to hockey.
You're right. No one should be forced to. And no one _did_ force these players to. They merely got criticized. It's true that Pride Night, a night to promote equality and respect for a discriminated demographic, has no place being brought into pro sports. It’s out of place to begin with, plus many fans and players are homophobic, especially NHL and NFL. And from the league itself, it’s just virtue signaling anyway.
That’s not what these players said. They weren't aginst the virtue signaling nature of it. They didn’t say it’s not the time or place...
No. They said:
“I won't take part in this initiative, because of the fact that my belief is that equality should not be a thing.”
People have every right to express their beliefs. And people have every right to criticize other people’s beliefs. Imagine a baseball player said, "I won't wear number 42 on Jackie Robinson Day because of the fact that my belief is that segregation should still be a thing." He's got every right in the world to believe that, but, in your opinion, would he deserve criticism?
I’d say the nhl canceling the warmup jerseys is the literally one of the only reasons I continue to have hope for humanity
No more disgusting rainbow jerseys
@@thekerr8728 Bro's weakness is a damn rainbow 💀
I seen a comment on another video talking about this situation but before it was banned but he basically said that they should let the players wear a jersey that supports whatever cause they want and then sell the jersey and donate the money to the charity.
I don't necessarily disagree with this... the "group-think" style mob approach to make players a spectacle for not going along with the crowd wearing a jersey that supports something they don't believe in, is a horrible stance to take... I'd honestly just rather the NHL not have the jerseys in the first place.. But your comment is a really solid middle ground I could get behind.. Just let people be people.
Majority of people? Where did that statement come from? Wouldn’t Provorov’s jersey selling out immediately suggest the opposite?
Why put your players in that situation to start with. This one is a political hot button. Don't tell me the players who chose not to wear the jersey were left alone. The media made it a national story. A big shame campaign. They joined this Pride campaign as a bow to pressure. All in an attempt to get a better ESG SCORE.
I think Homophobes should be shamed, to show that this world has no room for their hate
@@coastaku1954not supporting pride does not make you a homophobe
@@ianlaswick9505 Actually it does, it shows you're against LGBTQ+ people being comfortable in their own skin
@@coastaku1954 no, it doesn't, it actually shows I do not care either way, live and let live
People like you are why some people have an issue with it, you believe it is either "fly our flag or you hate us" and youre not going to like what people decide on the whole when forced
@@ianlaswick9505 Gay and Trans rights are human rights, you’re showing your true colours right now bro
When is Jesus Night or Christian Night?
Or how about Nuclear Family Night?
Every player wearing a JESUS JERSEY to be INCLUSIVE!
CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT!
Yeah……
Great plan
Y'all don't get it it's about including a group that has been discriminated against, imprisoned and killed for being themselves
@@cludecat7072 Christians havs this happen to them to this day, or does it not matter because it isnt happening in America?
@@cludecat7072
ALL minority groups are USED as a WEAPON against civilization by the Secret Societies that run our world.
Those Secret Societies WORSHIP and SERVE evil and are 'rewarded' in this physical world - basically selling their soul for a temporary fix, like a junkie.
The ONLY one that ACTUALLY CARES about ANY person, FALLEN or not is JESUS, and he has standards and rules that are at least ADVISED to consider, and follow IF you CARE about your soul and the souls of others.
If you don't care - and sell out or just live blindly - that will be costly on the soul level.
If a person wants to RESOLVE all that you described - then you have to go deep. Could be a lifetime of work - IF you're sincere. Most are not or may even be for awhile but eventually give up over time.
Basically - you either ACTUALLY CARE or you do not. A jersey and societal promotion of a minority group is NOT because the ones with artificial power are trying to help - they are actually TRYING to cause division ANY WAY they can, while posing as 'caring'.
So - CONTEXT is EVERYTHING.
To understand an issue like this you MUST KNOW WHO is pulling the strings and why and what the significance of the issue in question (jerseys etc.) means.
THEN you can KNOW DIRECTLY what is REAL and what is false. FEW can do this and THE REST are damned to live a life TOTALLY LOST IN CONFUSION AND SUFFERING that is only temporarily lessened through escapism.
Existence is designed that way to get your attention PERMANENTLY ON what ACTUALLY MATTERS beyond all the useless daily experiences.
Which is :
Who are you..
Who Created you.
What is Existence.
How does the Creator, named God
want you to live.
(He gave us a manual and sent an example as Jesus)
If that does not matter to you - then instead of you pursuing it - IT will pursue you in the form of suffering, until you learn your lesson.
God Bless You!
@@lordrayden3045
Glad you agree!
Jesus Loves You!
Its not a minority of fans who don't support the pride stuff lol
Have to disagree with this video.
Some people just want to watch a hockey game as a form of entertainment and escapism. The last thing they want is to not only be thrust into the maelstrom of the current culture wars, but to be coerced into kowtowing to the political positions adopted by the cultural elite.
The one great thing about sports is that it unites fans. If I'm watching the game at the stadium or bar,, I should be able to high five the guy next to me wearing my team's jersey, regardless of color or creed or language for that matter, without First confirming that they have acceptable opinions on LGBTQ2S+
1972 summit series
If I want politics, I will turn on CNN
I just want to watch hockey.
how is supporting a group of people political, like there should be absolutely no basis for something someone can't control being "political"
@@vegas_mapletreesit’s the most controversial topic in American politics right now whether you like it or not.
@@joshciviletti3032 because of people who make it that way. they make this culture war bs for no reason. trans people are less than 2% of the american population but now it's the top debate. there is absolutely no reason the entire country should be this obsessed over such a tiny group in proportion to the entire population, no matter what side you're on
Is eck the sound you make when lance enters you slowly?
Ohhhhh shiiiiii 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 BURN
A blanket removal of all of them makes sense from the point of wanting to avoid controversy. I normally agree with you on issues like this, but not this time.
A lot of comments are already saying that “no one is forced” but when then your shunned, made a pariah and destroyed in media. When a player chooses to opt out and it’s commented, on a public show, that he should leave the USA and go back to Russia to fight in a war, that’s not freedom, that’s wrong regardless of the view taken. “Obey our directives or go die in a war” is wrong. So no, there isn’t freedom to opt out without consequences.
Poor guys, making millions and having to stand by their choices, must be a tough life.
would it not make more sense then to ban commentators from mentioning who is or isn't participating in the jersey wearing? Fine commentators for making comments that make people feel like they are being singled out.. because comments like that go directly against the "Hockey is for Everyone." I think the core of this night is just that and any comment one way or another on it is in my opinion backwards to what the jerseys are trying to accomplish.
Calling someone out for problematic opinions is and should be normal. Trying to be inclusive for everyone grows the game, and makes everyone happier except for the bigots. And fuck the bigots.
tbh I think you're taking the rude comments from a minority of people and building around that. Worst case scenario people talk about it for a week, people assume you're maybe a bit of a bigot, a few people will be outright mean. I get what you're saying but it's also like, I think generally there is a much more negative effect on the actual minority groups who feel like their existence in the hockey world itself is too 'controversial'- and because of that even the most basic display of support is cut off.
@@WybornD40oh it definitely is from a small minority. But the vocal small minority is always what’s dictated these things. 99% of people couldn’t care less what someone else does. But it’s always the vocal minority that dictates policy. Most people, I feel, are of the opinion that so long as the overall night of celebration (for whatever it may be) still be maintained that that’s good enough for them.
This is on the reaction to the players not wearing the jerseys more than it is on the players themselves. The players only declined to wear the jerseys and not make any large statements, as the league allowed, but fans and media couldn't let it go and turned it into bigger news stories than it needed to be. That was the societal pressure, fans upset because players wouldn't wear a warm-up jersey.
Now the league is stuck because they can't just stop pride jerseys and face the wrath of the pride community, so they stop all special jerseys to try to look neutral. Could have been avoided if people could just accept others, you know, like the message the jerseys were supposed to represent.
Normal people are not accepting societal parasites, deal with it.
Ah yes seems you didn't consider that the league also didn't want to face the wrath of conservative thinkers. Unless you conveniently missed the endless complaints about pride jersey nights even existing
@@CS.94 Conservatives, pride community, they're both annoying as hell. I just want to enjoy hockey and not care about other people's problems. Neither group is happy unless they're in your face though and making everything about them.
@@Vantage389 You just want to enjoy hockey, fine. Not all of us are content to ignore the entanglement of sports, culture, politics, etc.
This feels like when your kids are playing Xbox together and they start fighting over who gets the top half of the screen. They come bitching to you about it but you tell them to figure it out on their own. After a few minutes they're still going at it and you just turn off the Xbox and take the controllers away.
Eck is truly the Bud Light of hockey RUclips Lol
Perfectly said!
I couldn't be happier to be a hockey fan right now! And no, the NHL is not caving into societal pressure, they're objectively standing up to it. LGBTQism is everywhere and now it's starting to lose for a change.
For real. Enough of this bs
I'm with the NHL on this one. As soon as you force your employees to take part in something despite their beliefs, you are corrupted. People should be free to do what they want, but in today's society, it's "do what you want unless it goes against me, then you can't do what you want." Freedom of speech doesn't mean everyone agrees on everything, it means people have a right to disagree. As a business, there is no benefit to creating controversy when it is not needed. It is not surprising to just scrap it altogether rather than create uneeded drama.
As for those in that community who criticize and chastise those who choose not to take part in that political organization, they need to wake up. If you base whether or not you like something or how invested you are in a product on how much they pander to you and celebrate you, YOU are the problem. If you don't feel included or accepted unless you're celebrated all the time, YOU are the problem. You should not need special treatment to like something while trying to cancel those who don't agree. Equality is the norm, not the exception, so make it a norm and leave others alone. What that community is doing is no longer advocating for equality. That's chasing superiority. You can never say you that you stand for Equality and freedom of expression when that's exactly what you criticize when it affects you.
Right...the MAJORITY of hockey fans are in favor of pride initiatives? Get a grip buddy ☠️
I wonder if all these people would be tolerate to a team or player if they wore Right to Life pre game jerseys
Forcing (or the media makes a big deal when the players don't wear them) players to wear jerseys for various causes is not support. Its just trying to get good publicity that I would think most of the executives don't actually care about.
they should keep military and fighting cancer because those arent controversial topics
To be perfectly honest i think this is a good thing going forward. Everyone thinks that this is officially a win for a certain group or the league backing down to a certain group.
But it's not.
This is the NHL just ending the arguments altogether. It's the parents stepping in when the kids are arguing. The kids both don't like it and think that they lost but it's what's best for everyone.
I think it's best that hockey discussion is about hockey at the end of the day.
Yeah… I just really like the jerseys. I don’t disagree with “If you aren’t going to play nice, nobody’s gonna play” type of thing, and I wouldn’t be shocked if that was the reason, but those random jerseys are always siiick.. it’s why I love CHL/AHL theme nights. The concepts they create
My only issue with that take is that sports itself matters societally, it can be a vehicle for great things.
Teams can have issues with wearing specific jerseys, but the thing is, some players and fans may have been upset at the ‘controversies’ but many others (what I would consider a silent majority) didn’t have a big issue with teams wearing the jerseys or not.
I’m not advocating for forcing players to wear uniforms if they don’t want to, but to take the potential away to do good in a community which is who the team represents and plays for, on a more impactful level than just playing the sport is a gross disservice in my opinion.
Public support means a lot for the people that often miss out on recognition and affirmation. Plus in a league like the AHL they have awesome specialty jerseys for movies/franchises/pop culture that reinforces the fun and expression sports provides.
Instead we get bland corporate officials making the politically and economically safe decisions that kill any potential for fun/expression/representation.
Just a massive shame in my opinion.
Good. This whole Pride shit has gone too far. I'm not saying it needs to be banned. It just doesn't need to be in every damned aspect of sports, entertainment, and life in general.
Dude, READ the room.