Years ago in the US, we bought a Honda XR70 three speed semi-automatic and then a 100cc 5-speed clutch so we had more bikes to ride. I ended up letting my son ride the 100cc while I took the XR70 because it was more fun. I used to tow them around the neighborhood on my son's big wheel and a rope. Of course they had helmets on. A lot of fun back then.
i have a manual motorbike honda tmx125, a semi auto honda xrm110 and an automatic motorstar easyride 150fi aka Qmax, so far most comfy to use is the automatic but high maintenance and poor on steep climbs, my semi auto a 20 year old honda xrm still running good
@@telcobilly been using it for a good 3 months, I'm 5"5 and my wife is 5 flat, and she enjoys the ride. It's not like those CBR where the passenger seat rises up. It's flat, and it looks really cool. So far I've only seen 2 in my city, and actually parked next to another 1, just once. So it's still pretty rare to see them. Hopefully this helps with your decision!
I've seen your videos before. I live in Vietnam and I ride a Honda wave. What you don't understand is that semiautomatic bikes do have a clutch. They just dont have a clutch lever which is normally located on the left hand side of the handle bars. A clutch is a device that transfers power from the engine to the wheel enabling the bike or car to move. Even an automatic bike has a clutch. In fact it has 2 clutches in the CVT. Which stands for continuously variable transmission. Now if you ride your bike around in 3rd or 4th gear and never change gears you will definatly wear out the friction plates on the clutch much faster. The semiautomatic bike like the blade which you're riding has 4 gears for a reason and the ability to change gears when the rider needs to. Slower speeds are 1st and 2nd gears and higher speeds are 3rd and 4th gears. But starting in 3rd or 4th gear will wear out those friction plates in that so called nonexistent clutch that you mentioned extremely quickly. Now if you have a bike rental business then I seriously suggest you learn a lot more about how those bikes really work. If you don't then your mechanic will really love you.
You have taken a technicality that has no relevance to a beginner rider choosing between an automatic and a semi automatic. The Video is 6 minutes long. There is no science or mechanical based information in the video, it is surface level information at best. I have a bike rental business that has had at its peak 300 of these semi automatics in circulation across Vietnam. I am well aware of the long term maintenance schedules on these machines. They are designed to withstand shockingly bad driving and abuse. They can absolutely be plodded around in 3rd and 4th gear without any damage to the clutch. Half clicking the gears on the other hand, will destroy the clutch on a semi-automatic very quickly... I don't really need to justify myself, but to demonstrate I know what a clutch is, I have video on the topic of burning Semi-Automatic clutches already :) ruclips.net/video/Kr3zllZ1CJU/видео.html It is best not to jump to conclusions on the internet on the information provided in a 6 minute long video. PS. I hope that one day, Tigit can be run by a CEO / boss that has no mechanical based skills at all! The CEO, should not need to be a mechanic. However, for now, I run the company, and I have plenty of experience in this field!
Here in vietnam everyone was taught to start in 1st and then immediately switch to 3th or 4th as soon as the bike got in power for the rest of the journey yet people can rock their bikes for decades without any clutch related issues so i think the bikes were designed to widstand that
It's my first time with semi automatics. I have been able to switch up gears pretty smoothly by letting go of throttle and uplifting. But when downshifting I almost always get a sudden jolt. What is the best way to downshift? Right now I'm letting go of throttle and going from 4 to 3 when speed is about 40kms. And then going from 3 to 2 when it's about 20kms etc. Is it ok to downshift when fully stopped or is that bad for the bike? For example shift down from 4 to 3 to 2 to 1. If coming to a stop is it ok to cruise in 4 and shift up to neutral to come to a stop? Thank you
South-east Asians in Thailand cambodia vietnam don't know how to ride motorcycles or change gears. I always tell them, stop riding around in 3rd or 4th gear from a stop. Low speedz need low gears. They are ruining their transmission. But South-east Asians never listen.
@@jcyt2023It's been 6 month since your comment, so you might figure it out already. But if not: 1. Your upshift method is correct, close the throttle > upshift > open the throttle. Do it fast and smooth 2. In centrifugal clutch used in semi auto transmission, you can actually operate the clutch manually by half-pressing the shifter. You can feel in when riding with throttle open. Try to half-press the shifter. The rpm will increase because clutch disengaged. You can also dump the clutch to do whellie or quick launch for example. At stop in 1st gear > half press the shifter > increase rpm > release the clutch > and boom. Asian kids loves this technique (i was one :p ) 3. Downshift at speed is same as regular motorcycle. Close the throttle to engine break > downshift and blip the throttle at the same time. With practice you can downshift smoothly at any speed. Avoid jolting as much as you can since it put unnecessary stress on your engine, transmission and chain. I'd prefer burning clutches pad since it's cheaper to replace. 4. Downshift at low speed or at stop as you said is totally fine. In fact some semi auto bikes has feature to return from 4th gear back to neutral with single upshift. Hope it helps.. :)
I've used all three types: cvt, semi-auto, and manual I have concluded that semi-auto bikes' overall benefit outclasses the specialty of manual and cvt. specialty of manual: usually powerful and has large fuel tank, but no built-in baggage, very tall. specialty of cvt scooters: twist and go, large baggage, no shoes okay, but not always efficient with fuel, often have to open many fairings for maintenance, uphills and floods are the bane of cvt scooters
The Blade is the Wave in Thailand. I saw a young gap-year kid almost kill himself on a CVT scooter. It ran away with him and he fell off on the three-lane moat road in Chiang Mai. With cars swerving around him, he panicked, picked the scooter up and made for the rental shop he'd just set off from, mere yards away. He dropped the bike again. Cars swerved around him. He lucky not to be badly injured. I have a scooter as my runaround in Chiang Rai, but I don't go far from home. I can't get on with the semi-auto's gear shift. Old username: 1990
You forgot to mention one more thing which is engine breaking On a semi automatic you can safely go down a mountain in 2nd gear and the engine will keep your motorcycle controlled. No need to use the brakes unless necessary On an automatic letting go of the gas will make the engine return to idle and the motorcycle will launch downhill in neutral, so you have to rely on your brakes all the time This is very dangerous when going down a mountain, as the brakes will quickly overheat.
It doesn't, as long as you're fast enough that the centrifugal clutch doesn't disengage, you have an engine brake. And starting in third gear is nonsense, you'll destroy the clutch
@@ich1219 @ich1219 "as long as you go fast enough" the point of engine braking is to go slow, and not launch yourself downhill Also while staring in 3rd will put strain on the clutch it will not break them since they are oil cooled.
@@ich1219I think if you start in a high gear just to acclimate yourself to the bike and then go back to using first gear, little to no harm would be done to the clutch. I would imagine the people renting them would not recommend that method to learn if it harmed the bike.
Mine is semi-automatic but a chinese Kenbo KB50FA, it is very very sensitive to throttle and very jerky if you don’t know how to rev match and properly downgrade. Doesn’t shift and locks wheels if you don’t match the revs with the gears.
I'm totally agree that Semi automatic has many advantages over automatic motobike, but there is one HUGE problem to deal with a semi-automatic, which is at the time that suddenly the motorbike turned off because of some problem(useally bad battery) then you have to switch gears all the way to N in order being able to move the bike, which could be extremely dangerous if it's happening in the middle of the road, this is why I prefer fully manual then I just hold the clutch and pull the bike on the side of the road very quick and I don't need to deal which switch gears to N
Or you just get a bike that works. Don't let the battery die :) If you have a bad battery on an automatic and it cuts out. Then you are stuck in the middle of the road with no way to start it.
I think that when you press and hold a gear, the clutch of an semi automatic bike will disengage just like when you pull a clutch lever of a manual motorcycle, im not sure cause i just ridden semi automatic a few times only, but i remember that it was my way of rev matching when downshifting to a lower gear on a semi automatic motorcycle, correct me if im wrong tho
@jhc100 No man. When you press the gear on a semi-automatic and hold, it is more or less equivalent, like the clutch is on the friction zone in a manual gear, which means there isn't disengagement and you can't move the bike. The only way to move the semi-automatic without starting the engine is when the bike on N
@@jhc100i was thinking the same, if you hold down the pedal, it works the same as pulling the clutch lever on a manual, so you still have time to get on side of the road
Yeah exactly. So 2nd or 3rd gear is the best starting gear for a first time rider. Once they nail the acceleration of 2nd gear, they can start using 1st gear.
No because it's in first gear First gear is very slow, it has a lot of torque and will pull you forward, but the engine will quickly reach redline (it's max RPM) and you're stuck at maybe 20km/h
Hello i have a question, im going to buy a semi automatic motorcycle but with no kickstarter built in, can we bump start/push start semi automatic morotcycle ?
Honestly never tried. I think it would work. Why would a semi-automatic not have a kick start though? I don't think I would buy a bike with no kick start.
Yes it will work, put it in 2nd gear and give it a push This is the advantage of the honda design compared to early semi automatics, it allows for engine breaking and push starting. Inside the engine housing there are 2 clutches, a normal clutch and a centrifugal clutch When the engine is off, the normal clutch will take over and allow you to push start the engine The normal clutch is also connected to the gear lever, so it will shift gears smoothly The centrifugal clutch is only used when starting from a stop, after the motorcycles moves the normal clutch takes over allowing engine breaking For example when going downhill you can shift into 2nd/1st and the motorbike will slowly creep down the hill Meanwhile on an automatic there is only a centrifugal clutch connected to a belt and roller system, meaning power can only be transferred one way So when going downhill you will need to rely on your brakes, when you let go of the gas the motorcycle will launch forward as the engine returns to idle. This is dangerous as the brakes will overheat when going down a mountain, and you'll be in a lot of hurt.
Just watched the video... makes me think that after 5 years & 45 000km on Nuovo it's finally time to get a bike for humans. The funny thing is that I never broke down; not a single time (just casual/ maintenance repairs)
If I only would see this video 3 months ago I rented an automatic ELECTRIC bike. It is even faster then the new automatic ones I wiskey throlled and smashed a video, cut my back real deep and all costed me 1500 USD, no insurance coverage of course And also a month to recover Obviously with an semi-automatic I wouldn't even do 10% of the damages.
I ride motorcycles for a living. You are teaching wrong information regarding semi automatic bikes. You cannot ride them any gear at any speed. They have gears for a reason. From stop, you accelerate from 1st gear and change gears accordingly. If you accelerate from stop using 2nd, 3rd, 4th gear, you are damaging your transmission.
It may not be clear in the video, but what I am talking about is from a learning perspective. It allows people to practice throttle control. I have seen many learners on automatics whisky throttle out of control. Also, don't know if you have experience with semi-automatics. We have around 250 of them on rent. You can't break the clutch really. That doesn't mean people should drive around in only 1 gear, but in the end, they are basically unbreakable.
I'm switching from big bikes to smaller ones and this video made me decide on the semi auto. thanks for that
Years ago in the US, we bought a Honda XR70 three speed semi-automatic and then a 100cc 5-speed clutch so we had more bikes to ride. I ended up letting my son ride the 100cc while I took the XR70 because it was more fun. I used to tow them around the neighborhood on my son's big wheel and a rope. Of course they had helmets on. A lot of fun back then.
The semi is the most successful engine in motorcycle history. You could have added that the semi's are better on hills, up and down.
i have a manual motorbike honda tmx125, a semi auto honda xrm110 and an automatic motorstar easyride 150fi aka Qmax, so far most comfy to use is the automatic but high maintenance and poor on steep climbs, my semi auto a 20 year old honda xrm still running good
wow, didn't know that. Glad I got a PG-1 but thing is it doesn't have a kick start. but aside from that, it's perfect
I've been looking at that bike! It just came out here in the Philippines. How tall are you and how decent is the rear seat for a passenger?
@@telcobilly been using it for a good 3 months, I'm 5"5 and my wife is 5 flat, and she enjoys the ride.
It's not like those CBR where the passenger seat rises up.
It's flat, and it looks really cool.
So far I've only seen 2 in my city, and actually parked next to another 1, just once.
So it's still pretty rare to see them.
Hopefully this helps with your decision!
I've seen your videos before. I live in Vietnam and I ride a Honda wave. What you don't understand is that semiautomatic bikes do have a clutch. They just dont have a clutch lever which is normally located on the left hand side of the handle bars. A clutch is a device that transfers power from the engine to the wheel enabling the bike or car to move. Even an automatic bike has a clutch. In fact it has 2 clutches in the CVT. Which stands for continuously variable transmission.
Now if you ride your bike around in 3rd or 4th gear and never change gears you will definatly wear out the friction plates on the clutch much faster. The semiautomatic bike like the blade which you're riding has 4 gears for a reason and the ability to change gears when the rider needs to. Slower speeds are 1st and 2nd gears and higher speeds are 3rd and 4th gears. But starting in 3rd or 4th gear will wear out those friction plates in that so called nonexistent clutch that you mentioned extremely quickly.
Now if you have a bike rental business then I seriously suggest you learn a lot more about how those bikes really work. If you don't then your mechanic will really love you.
You have taken a technicality that has no relevance to a beginner rider choosing between an automatic and a semi automatic.
The Video is 6 minutes long. There is no science or mechanical based information in the video, it is surface level information at best.
I have a bike rental business that has had at its peak 300 of these semi automatics in circulation across Vietnam. I am well aware of the long term maintenance schedules on these machines. They are designed to withstand shockingly bad driving and abuse. They can absolutely be plodded around in 3rd and 4th gear without any damage to the clutch.
Half clicking the gears on the other hand, will destroy the clutch on a semi-automatic very quickly...
I don't really need to justify myself, but to demonstrate I know what a clutch is, I have video on the topic of burning Semi-Automatic clutches already :)
ruclips.net/video/Kr3zllZ1CJU/видео.html
It is best not to jump to conclusions on the internet on the information provided in a 6 minute long video.
PS. I hope that one day, Tigit can be run by a CEO / boss that has no mechanical based skills at all! The CEO, should not need to be a mechanic.
However, for now, I run the company, and I have plenty of experience in this field!
Here in vietnam everyone was taught to start in 1st and then immediately switch to 3th or 4th as soon as the bike got in power for the rest of the journey yet people can rock their bikes for decades without any clutch related issues so i think the bikes were designed to widstand that
It's my first time with semi automatics. I have been able to switch up gears pretty smoothly by letting go of throttle and uplifting.
But when downshifting I almost always get a sudden jolt.
What is the best way to downshift? Right now I'm letting go of throttle and going from 4 to 3 when speed is about 40kms. And then going from 3 to 2 when it's about 20kms etc.
Is it ok to downshift when fully stopped or is that bad for the bike? For example shift down from 4 to 3 to 2 to 1.
If coming to a stop is it ok to cruise in 4 and shift up to neutral to come to a stop?
Thank you
South-east Asians in Thailand cambodia vietnam don't know how to ride motorcycles or change gears. I always tell them, stop riding around in 3rd or 4th gear from a stop. Low speedz need low gears. They are ruining their transmission. But South-east Asians never listen.
@@jcyt2023It's been 6 month since your comment, so you might figure it out already. But if not:
1. Your upshift method is correct, close the throttle > upshift > open the throttle. Do it fast and smooth
2. In centrifugal clutch used in semi auto transmission, you can actually operate the clutch manually by half-pressing the shifter. You can feel in when riding with throttle open. Try to half-press the shifter. The rpm will increase because clutch disengaged.
You can also dump the clutch to do whellie or quick launch for example. At stop in 1st gear > half press the shifter > increase rpm > release the clutch > and boom. Asian kids loves this technique (i was one :p )
3. Downshift at speed is same as regular motorcycle. Close the throttle to engine break > downshift and blip the throttle at the same time. With practice you can downshift smoothly at any speed.
Avoid jolting as much as you can since it put unnecessary stress on your engine, transmission and chain.
I'd prefer burning clutches pad since it's cheaper to replace.
4. Downshift at low speed or at stop as you said is totally fine. In fact some semi auto bikes has feature to return from 4th gear back to neutral with single upshift.
Hope it helps.. :)
I've used all three types: cvt, semi-auto, and manual
I have concluded that semi-auto bikes' overall benefit outclasses the specialty of manual and cvt.
specialty of manual: usually powerful and has large fuel tank, but no built-in baggage, very tall.
specialty of cvt scooters: twist and go, large baggage, no shoes okay, but not always efficient with fuel, often have to open many fairings for maintenance, uphills and floods are the bane of cvt scooters
The Blade is the Wave in Thailand. I saw a young gap-year kid almost kill himself on a CVT scooter. It ran away with him and he fell off on the three-lane moat road in Chiang Mai. With cars swerving around him, he panicked, picked the scooter up and made for the rental shop he'd just set off from, mere yards away. He dropped the bike again. Cars swerved around him. He lucky not to be badly injured. I have a scooter as my runaround in Chiang Rai, but I don't go far from home. I can't get on with the semi-auto's gear shift.
Old username: 1990
Hiding your feet/shoes on the floor board is the reason enough to get the automatic.
u get better control with semi
You forgot to mention one more thing which is engine breaking
On a semi automatic you can safely go down a mountain in 2nd gear and the engine will keep your motorcycle controlled. No need to use the brakes unless necessary
On an automatic letting go of the gas will make the engine return to idle and the motorcycle will launch downhill in neutral, so you have to rely on your brakes all the time
This is very dangerous when going down a mountain, as the brakes will quickly overheat.
Absolutely.
It doesn't, as long as you're fast enough that the centrifugal clutch doesn't disengage, you have an engine brake.
And starting in third gear is nonsense, you'll destroy the clutch
@@ich1219 @ich1219 "as long as you go fast enough" the point of engine braking is to go slow, and not launch yourself downhill
Also while staring in 3rd will put strain on the clutch it will not break them since they are oil cooled.
@@ich1219I think if you start in a high gear just to acclimate yourself to the bike and then go back to using first gear, little to no harm would be done to the clutch. I would imagine the people renting them would not recommend that method to learn if it harmed the bike.
Mine is semi-automatic but a chinese Kenbo KB50FA, it is very very sensitive to throttle and very jerky if you don’t know how to rev match and properly downgrade. Doesn’t shift and locks wheels if you don’t match the revs with the gears.
I have 2 old motorbikes now. A honda cb110 and a wave110. The wave110 is a freak of nature and is literally indestructible. automatics are gay btw.
I'm totally agree that Semi automatic has many advantages over automatic motobike, but there is one HUGE problem to deal with a semi-automatic, which is at the time that suddenly the motorbike turned off because of some problem(useally bad battery) then you have to switch gears all the way to N in order being able to move the bike, which could be extremely dangerous if it's happening in the middle of the road, this is why I prefer fully manual then I just hold the clutch and pull the bike on the side of the road very quick and I don't need to deal which switch gears to N
Or you just get a bike that works. Don't let the battery die :)
If you have a bad battery on an automatic and it cuts out. Then you are stuck in the middle of the road with no way to start it.
I think that when you press and hold a gear, the clutch of an semi automatic bike will disengage just like when you pull a clutch lever of a manual motorcycle, im not sure cause i just ridden semi automatic a few times only, but i remember that it was my way of rev matching when downshifting to a lower gear on a semi automatic motorcycle, correct me if im wrong tho
@jhc100 No man.
When you press the gear on a semi-automatic and hold, it is more or less equivalent, like the clutch is on the friction zone in a manual gear, which means there isn't disengagement and you can't move the bike. The only way to move the semi-automatic without starting the engine is when the bike on N
@@jhc100i was thinking the same, if you hold down the pedal, it works the same as pulling the clutch lever on a manual, so you still have time to get on side of the road
Semi autos are more fun and you can engine brake down hills in the mountains which takes the strain off the brakes.
OK, so if you have your semi automatic in first gear and you decide to throttle up, wouldn’t you have the same effect as an automatic scooter??…
Yeah exactly. So 2nd or 3rd gear is the best starting gear for a first time rider. Once they nail the acceleration of 2nd gear, they can start using 1st gear.
No because it's in first gear
First gear is very slow, it has a lot of torque and will pull you forward, but the engine will quickly reach redline (it's max RPM) and you're stuck at maybe 20km/h
1st gear is the best for going a steep uphill
Not really in Vietnam, they choose the automatic because it's easier to use. Women mostly of course.
Semi automatic has engine break
Automatic is expensive to maintain
Hello i have a question, im going to buy a semi automatic motorcycle but with no kickstarter built in, can we bump start/push start semi automatic morotcycle ?
Honestly never tried. I think it would work. Why would a semi-automatic not have a kick start though?
I don't think I would buy a bike with no kick start.
@@Tigitmotorbikes im from europe, its now barely impossible to find motorcycle with kickstarter arround here :(
Yes it will work, put it in 2nd gear and give it a push
This is the advantage of the honda design compared to early semi automatics, it allows for engine breaking and push starting.
Inside the engine housing there are 2 clutches, a normal clutch and a centrifugal clutch
When the engine is off, the normal clutch will take over and allow you to push start the engine
The normal clutch is also connected to the gear lever, so it will shift gears smoothly
The centrifugal clutch is only used when starting from a stop, after the motorcycles moves the normal clutch takes over allowing engine breaking
For example when going downhill you can shift into 2nd/1st and the motorbike will slowly creep down the hill
Meanwhile on an automatic there is only a centrifugal clutch connected to a belt and roller system, meaning power can only be transferred one way
So when going downhill you will need to rely on your brakes, when you let go of the gas the motorcycle will launch forward as the engine returns to idle.
This is dangerous as the brakes will overheat when going down a mountain, and you'll be in a lot of hurt.
Yes you can but If your motorcycle has fuel injection, you can't push start it.
i have one actually and yes you can bump/roll start the bike just like manual bikes
Just watched the video... makes me think that after 5 years & 45 000km on Nuovo it's finally time to get a bike for humans.
The funny thing is that I never broke down; not a single time (just casual/ maintenance repairs)
wow you're very tall brother!
If I only would see this video 3 months ago
I rented an automatic ELECTRIC bike. It is even faster then the new automatic ones
I wiskey throlled and smashed a video, cut my back real deep and all costed me 1500 USD, no insurance coverage of course
And also a month to recover
Obviously with an semi-automatic I wouldn't even do 10% of the damages.
That was my bike 😍
Xr150 is the best bike in all road
I ride motorcycles for a living. You are teaching wrong information regarding semi automatic bikes. You cannot ride them any gear at any speed. They have gears for a reason. From stop, you accelerate from 1st gear and change gears accordingly. If you accelerate from stop using 2nd, 3rd, 4th gear, you are damaging your transmission.
It may not be clear in the video, but what I am talking about is from a learning perspective. It allows people to practice throttle control.
I have seen many learners on automatics whisky throttle out of control.
Also, don't know if you have experience with semi-automatics. We have around 250 of them on rent. You can't break the clutch really. That doesn't mean people should drive around in only 1 gear, but in the end, they are basically unbreakable.