You have to run more than 1 tank of gas through it to see results. I started to see better mileage and restored power in my 2000 Silverado after the 3rd tank of ethanol free gas.👍
The Camaro Kid L I think you are right about that...I just got a ultra low mileage 89 S10 Blazer..4.3l...in very hot weather it would stall out after an initial start up...I began filling up with Non ethanol gas and after about the 4 tank I could really tell a difference...no more stalls..the engine idols much smoother now and I do see a slight increase in millage ...not drastic but I'd say around 25 more miles a tank or so.
fastdraw30 most vehicles built before 2008 were designed for just regular 87 octane non ethanol fuel. Once they started putting ethanol in the fuel the pre 2008 vehicles ran crappy and that’s why they did the cash for clunkers thing.
I put Ethanol free fuel on my 2015 Sentra. I was impressed. It is a newer car so it idles very smooth but when I put non ethanol the car almost felt like it was off lol. My throttle response was a lot better. Noticed a very slight power increase and almost 20% better gas mileage. I noticed almost immediately!
Anyone with yard equipment wants ethanol free fuel. And lawnmower shops around the nation are rejoicing over ethanol free fuel. Fuel mileage ? Who cares if you have to stop cleaning carburetors out every few months, 30-40c a gallon more cost is totally worth it.
Yes, but it does smell like petrol. Have you not acrylated petrol in the US? acrylated petrol was developed for people who, for example, worked in the forest. So that they would be less affected by exhaust gases
Same. My cars rough Idle at start up in cold temperatures goes away of I put in 93 octane or the 89 ethanol free gas. Don’t understand why it has to be 80 cents a gallon more lol. But it gives me about 2 mpg better on the highway.
Ethanol free is defintly the way to go ,especially for seasonal small engines.Even with Amsoil Fuel stabilizer and Marvel mystery oil Gas here in the south.goes bad quick.Also put it in our 2013 Dodge Challenger.89 octane(WAWA)It picked up 6 mpg the first time .The ethanol evaporates leaving junk behind and it attackes rubber.
My Kawasaki zx14 has an instant mileage reading like a lot of cars. It reads about 34-36mpg on level road at 60mph with high test ethanol. With high test pure gas it gets (on the same road) 42-44mpg. The corrosion caused by the ethanol is enough to get me to pay the higher price for pure gas.
I can get shell 93 octane ethanol free near my house. MPG goes from 19 to 23 average ( WITH AC running!) and I feel about a 10% difference in torque and it idles a lot smoother. Costs $3.45 a gallon but damn, its worth every penny.
@@Bonanzaking A lot cheaper now, still more expensive than regular premium, but not by much. Think it was $2.20, regular 93 is $1.91. With oil as cheap as it is, I think all the stations are gouging because it's less noticeable now.
@@joshn938 yeah that was hilarious. I found one shell station near my area and it had E-0 fuel. It was more expensive than premium nitro shell. Like wtf. I could have just bought premium but saw the red pump and had to try it. Besides my 4runner runs a 10.6:1 ratio so I think it could benefit from it rofl. Also it was 15 cents more.
I've been running ethanol free in my 2002 6 cylinder Tacoma for two months now, that's about five fill ups. I am getting 3-5 miles/gallon better, full power through the rpm range, absolutely no pinging or knocking, and the octane rating is 87. Pure gas is better for me anyway.
Hey Jimmy, even though it is just over a year old, I just watched this video. It goes to show that being a car enthusiast and mechanic myself, the only two people I follow on RUclips are you and Scotty Kilmer. That is because both of you give realistic, unbiased observations and opinions about things and items you test. I have a four-cylinder Honda Accord and I try to exclusively run ethanol free gas in it. Living in South Florida, ethanol free gas is pretty easy to find. I average about 5 to 8 miles per gallon more using ethanol free gas than I do using 10% ethanol gasoline. Not everyone sees those results but those are my results with my experience. Take care and keep up the great work sir!
Used it in my jeep and Subaru… Saw no difference. Use it in my carbureted tools a.k.a. four wheeler, lawnmowers, chainsaw… Exceptional difference! Not only do they run better but it stores over the winter.
@@TheAutoChannel Here you are again fucking with people and name calling. LOL! Typical bully. Hey everybody go to The Auto Channel and give all his videos thumbs down! LOL!!! Idiot!
I use non ethanol premium gasoline in my Porsche 911 whenever possible. On cross country trips I cannot usually find non ethanol fuel so the Porsche gets the 10% ethanol fuel. When on the ethanol free gasoline the car has definitely has more power. It’s especially noticeable in cooler temperatures. I’ve noticed that ethanol free gasoline is becoming more available in 2022.
There is a difference between when the petrol company mixes in ethanol and when a private person mixes in ethanol. when the private person mixes in Ethanol, the octane content will be higher. Pure ethanol is over well above 100 octane. And should also have more oxygen. but if you want to get the most out of the ethanol fuel, you may also have to change the engine so Settings Like the timing and mixing of oxygen and fuel
Very informative video. Enjoyable to watch the sites along the way too. Incidentally, your truck is pretty sweet. I drive a Tacoma pickup which is very reliable and fairly fuel-efficient. But there is no way it matches your Chevy in terms of interior quality. Your truck, and probably most American trucks, have larger, sturdier seats and are more spacious. You got a great deal on it too.
I have found that the fuel economy is more noticeable with a more fuel efficient engine. Even then, power and economy are close enough that the average will see no benefit. You will get no benefit from using Premium in a vehicle designed for regular. The engine was designed to be optimized for the combustion speed of regular. The higher the octane, the slower the burn. The net effect is actually opposite of what you desire.
In my 97 Tahoe there is a huge difference in power and mileage, if I'm going to be on the interstate I only run premium gas, we have an 80mph speed limit, if I run the ethanol garbage the vehicle is a complete mutt and mileage drops considerably, all one has to do is look up the cost of production for ethanol and you can see it is in NO WAY more economical
Brett, if someone knows how to add and subtract they would actually find that using an ethanol-gasoline blend is more economical. But you do have to know how to add and subtract.
In my experience, older (pre-1995 import, pre-2000 domestic) run better and get significantly better mileage with ethanol free fuel. Newer vehicles do the same or worse. Guess it depends what your car was designed for.
Several years ago, I rented an Impala for a road trip from upstate New York (Syracuse area) to northern Utah. I went to pick it up and it had 90 miles on the clock, and a "flex fuel" tag on the trunk. I decided to run a test. The first place I could get non-ethanol fuel was, I think in Indiana. I filled the tank with non-ethanol, and then all the way to Utah, each time I filled it with non-ethanol. I kept track of my $$, gallons, and miles. We then drove up to Yellowstone and back, and I didn't keep track of anything at that time. On the way back to CNY, I used ONLY regular 87 with (up to) 10% ethanol. Again, I kept track religiously of $$, gallons, and miles. When I compared the results on a "dollars per mile" basis, the NON-ethanol gas was the clear winner. Ethanol is basically moonshine, and moonshine doesn't belong in my gas tank, or anyone else's ...
So I took my 2004 Grand Prix put a 69k used 06 engine, still on stock ignition from GM. Around 100k I decided to try ethanol free. Got below 1/2 tank, topped off with 90 E free. Then again at payday. Then ran her dead empty 17 gal tank took 16.1 to fill my mileage was 23.6, ran three tanks all averaged 22.9-23.6 and just checked E10 full tank(third tank after going back to E10) mileage at full up 23.6. no difference. Ethanol will scour your fuel system, stochiometric afr is 14.7 with gas, 14 ish on E10, E85 9.6. Ethanol has 100-105 octane. Now my E0 was 90 octane. I haven't swapped on my blower yet as I still. Need drive parts, injectors and headers. Then to figure out my tuner and start tuning. But everyone keeps villifying ethanol YET fail to understand it does create domestic services if we could just get government to let industry start handling it's self without subsidies. In 4 states where ethanol is produced the cattle feed grade grain used to make it cannot be resold as distillers dried grain or wet cattle feed unless they plant sells a large amount for "other" uses other than fuel. And we also need to understand that the alternative we previously was using was MTBE and it's poison and a carcinogenic compound, whereas ethanol if spilled can some be allowed to evaporate/drain away or be washed away. Now can you have issues in equipment after it's put in and warmed by engine, yes. If you use E10 in equipment, as it gets low, only put in what you need to finish job, have small can of stabil handy and a squirt stops any issues if stored. My buddy uses E0 in his lawn service equipment and it has not helped or hurt maintenance issues. Oil service and tune ups do more. He never uses Champion plugs, always uses Shell Rotella T oil, wix filters and changes on set hours. All our is collected in different barrels. He has two old trash hauler trucks that carry twigs, sticks etc and they burn oil so used mower oils go through those. He has some air cooled non filtered engines with 50,000 hrs and no I'll effects since going to set intervals with he meters. Same on vehicles. His dump truck has 450k and same engine, 2 nd clutch, and regular service intervals keeps trucks and trailers in good shape.
I moved from Michigan to Florida two years ago. Non-ethanol 87 octane gas was easy to find in Detroit and cost the same as gas with ethanol, so that's what I used 80% of the time. I noticed my car was getting about 10% less mpg in Florida. I chucked it up to being a 10 year ago Honda. Recently I bit the bullet and started buying non-ethanol gas in Florida. I can only find it in 89 octane and at a big price increase (20% average) But now my MPG is back to normal. And I just don't think ethanol is good to put in a car. It's worth the price difference to me. Just my two cents.
Haha...I was just looking up feedback on Clear for autos, and noticed the ACE hardware, THEN the REGAL sign! And realized hey, that's MY Maverik station!! Then later, saw you flat out say you're here in Spokane as well! I have a '93 S10 Blazer, AND a '93 GMC Vandura. YOUR info is great to know and just what I was looking for! The lack of ethanol is great if you're gas sits UNUSED for long periods. Apparently, CLEAR will last years, just like the old days being it's ethanol free! So it's ideal for mowers and snowblowers without having to remember to add stabilizers, such as 'Stabil". Thanks again, neighbor!
Good job, Jimmy! I absolutely loathe ethanol. It’s just not right to use food for fuel. Wrong on many levels. Ruins small engines, especially two cycles. Outboards, chain saws, lawn mower etc. I hate the mess.
Corn used for animal feed, yet they use the part which is the worst for animal feed and the leftover from the ethanol making process is dried disteller grain which is a premium animal feed. This isn't the corn you eat on the cob or goes into your cornflakes.
you can higher grades of ethonal free fuel. When I was driving through TN on my way to TX, I gained about another 100 miles in fuel milage. I believe its worth it.
My Lexus RC’s difference between normal 91 octane premium, and the Pure Gas (Kwik Trip Recreational Fuel), which is about 20% more expensive then traditional premium is night and day. As a daily driver on backroads with no traffic, I can get 30-32ish in eco mode. With the ethanol free I often max out the gauge at 40+ mpg. The toque is also noticeably improved, no lag on the pedal. Well worth the cost, as it seems to be nearly returned on fuel economy anyways. Total win in my book.
I once filled my wife’s Honda Civic with ethanol free gas on a road trip and we had been averaging 36-38 mpg and the tank with the clear gas got 44 mpg! Next tank e10 went back to 37.
I used that fuel when towing a 4000lb trailer using Ford F-150 2.7L on I-90 and saw a difference in MPG after the second tank. Used it the entire trip, and got better performance in the mountains, and mileage. Using it in my lawnmower is better too. It can sit all winter outside and start up after a couple pulls. I never use this fuel in normal operation at all, as the benefits are lower when not towing.
the hardest thing is in these lower mpg vehciles and trucks a little change can be very hard to notice but going from say 11.5 - 12 in the same situation saves the same as a 45 mpg car going to 54 so where as its easy to see the change in the 45 to 54 car the change is much harder to notice in a less fuel efficent vehicle
Ethanol free fuel is mainly for vehicles/engines that sit for longer periods of time. Especially carbureted engines. The ethanol evaporates and leaves a vanish in carb jets. Not surprised no significant performance or mileage gain here. Thanks for the honest review
In my 89 S10 Blazer I began using non ethanol gas due to stalling and rough idol issues. After about 4 complete tanks no more stalling and rough idol. I do see a slight increase in fuel mileage.. nothing drastic but enough to warrant paying a lil extra at the pump for the benefits.
my experience with fuel! i have quite a bit since being a professional mechanic and i only run ethanol free fuel myself when ever possible! its easier on the older fuel systems and it doesnt asorbe moisture! i will give you better fuel economy how much that depends on vehicle and driving conditions on how much better also it can take awhile for the fuel trims in the computer to re-learn since non-ethanol fuel will need less fuel to burn compared to ethanol fuel! it will also give you better cat converter and o2 sensor life! i did this test on my truck which is a 2005 chevy k1500 pickup 4.8 4x4 auto with 3.55 gearing with electric fans on a 200 mile trip driving 55-65 mph and a/c on ethanol fuel was 19 mpg and non-ethanol fuel was 21.8 mpg! it depends on vehicle and driving conditions! but you will get some better fuel economy how much that differs! also a high octane will not benefit your truck being stock and not modified i was designed to run on 87 octane and 92 would be a waste of money! octane is the ability to resist detonation! since you have lower compression being a stock engine you would not need high octane fuel!
Ethanol only has 30% the power of gas, takes 20% off your mileage. It absorbs water from the air and makes gum and you get phase separation at 80 degrees, and you cant store it because it will separate leaving water at the bottom
Your facts in your first sentence are wrong. Ethanol has about 66% the energy of the unleaded gas. E10 has approx. 3% less energy and therefore "should" have 3% worse mileage. But it depends on the particular engine on whether that holds true.
It's the very fact that alcohol is hygroscopic that any water becomes absorbed. Just the opposite of your hygrophobic claim. That was the purpose of canned gasoline antifreeze, also alcohol, to keep fuel systems from freezing up in winter. So the current alcohol content in gasoline is serving a purpose in below freezing conditions. You'd think that no one would buy the canned gas antifreeze anymore for that reason, but I continue to see it on automotive department shelves. Further, I'm pretty sure that alcohol content in gasoline is adjusted seasonally. More in winter and less in summer. I've never seen the actual amount documented anywhere; only an overall upper limit.
@@TheOzthewiz Steven, I hope you understand what octane ratings mean. First, it is NOT more powerful. Octane is a measure of how well the fuel resists preignition. Higher compression ratio engines have a tendency to ignite fuel from higher pressures before the spark plug fires. This is called detonation and higher octane fuels resist that tendency so that the fuel ignites at the right time. If detonation occurs it can hurt performance as well as excessively stress the engine.
I have a 1992 Chevrolet Silverado 5.7L (350 CSB) with a 700R4 transmission and a 373 rear axle. I made a trip from Downingtown pa to South West Philadelphia then to Charleston South Carolina drove around there for about 40 miles, then went back to drop off my relatives in South West Philadelphia and back home to Mont Clare pa on 1 35 gallon tank of gas! Try checking to see if your ignition timing is correct, by disconnecting the engine computer and looking with a timing light on the harmonic balancer and timing cover to see if it is set to 0° TDC on the #1 cylinder on the compression stroke! I highly recommend you try also using the NGK V-power spark plugs for that truck! That's what I've been using in mine for the past 5 years and I haven't had any problems with fouling out the spark plugs like I've had with the OEM plugs (AC DELCO), Champion, Motorcraft, and A1 Cardone plugs! Pretty soon I'll be trying the E3 spark plugs for my engine too! I'm curious to see how they compare to the NGK's that I've been using for the past 5 years! You also might also wanna rebuild your throttle body! I believe being as though you said it's a 1995 it should have a 2 bbl throttle body in it! Feel free to Email me if you would like to see and hear how my engine runs! Also no my engine has not been rebuilt! DANBED2002@gmail.com
2002 Toyota Echo 307k miles. With regular 87, 33 mpg, non-ethanol 87, 35 mpg. Last two tanks, I mixed half premium and 87 non-ethanol. Might be a fluke, but I got 40 and 41 mpg on the mixed tanks. The difference was significant enough for me to want to try the Frankengas a few more times to see what happens.
as a former mechanic (45 yrs. ago) I have heard recently ethanol is corrosive to metal parts of the fuel line. I remember old articles reporting a change in the metals in the valve train.
Hey! I’m a graduate of Ferris High School- Spokane. Now living in Houston: 2006 Suburban ~ 209,00 miles. Ps, Suburban drivers don’t care about gas mileage....
you should get better mileage over time, but the best benefit is your gas will not go bad if it's sitting in your engine for 30+ days... great for small engines that you don't use over the winter. Nothing worse than a lawn mower that won't start
My 98 would literally die at red lights with ethanol gas. Idled smooth with non ethanol. That was before the tune-up, since I started running Chevron , because non ethanol was getting hard to come by, and it's doing ok. But, truth is, ethanol gas is not good for your vehicle, terrible for any small carb engine , and does drop your gas mileage.
I run clear premium gas in my 2007 and 2010 Lincoln Town Cars both using the 4.6 lt V8 FFV Engine. This is my experience. Engine Benefits it does offer better combustion It does have better cleaner due to ethanol being known for its corrosive properties and my engine runs much smoother. Performance: For me personally clear is worth it mainly because it doesn’t share the lag that ethanol give when I fill up. My RPMs between shifts with ethanol shoot up to 3500rpms under heavy acceleration before shifting with clear shifts right about 2500-2700 so engine timing and throttle response is amazing. Fuel Efficiency: Being a more aggressive driver you expect my fuel economy to just tank. Here are my town car fuel economy numbers with ethanol regularly my car gets about 14-17mpg with ethanol Premium I get about 19-20MPG with Clear Premium I get 23-27 MPG that’s my experience clear is it worth doing it every week no but once or twice a month in my opinion I would and I do. Clear is more expensive in Portland it’s avg cost for clear premium gas is 3.99 per gallon avg. so the cost is higher but the choice is yours.
I just filled my Outback up with E0 90 for the first time. It's has a turbo so I usually run premium (at least 91), but I'm very interested to see if this ethanol free 90 changes anything. I've only had the new Outback for a few months and I want to protect its fuel system. E10 87 ruined the fuel system in my snow blower.
I am getting ready to drive about 160 one way, so about 320 miles maybe more depending. To mention my 2005 chevy Tahoe is Flexfuel vehicle. For the last three tanks I have run E-85 ethanol. This is going to be the first scenes I have owned it to run ethanol free starting tomorrow. I will share my results soon.
I use Holiday 93 ethanol free fuel in my fusion. I do a lot of driving around the city, I get better mileage and performance using it. I would have to fill up every 4-5 days on 15% ethanol, now I fill up every 6-7 days. Its cost maybe $12-15 extra a fill up.
Heaven forbid he used his truck like he always does. As he mentioned a few times, Historically that truck always got 11.5-12 mpg. So his results are completely Valid. If you wanted someone in a white lab coat doing the test maybe you Came to the wrong place. If you were going to try different fuels this is exactly how you would test them.
in my area, costco gas is ethanol free but doesn't advertise it. Maybe is usual costco gas was ethanol free all the time and the comparison is mute point.
For an average daily vehicle, cheapest fuel. For a bike, boat, small engine, race car, ethanol free. What's really rare is ethanol free 87, its usually at only 1 station near any small town and never at newer stations. The best thing for everyone will be when an alcohol free biofuel can be made cheaply that performs as good as gas. Diesels already get this bonus with algae fuels and hydrodiesel.
I get roughly 10.5% better fuel economy on the highway with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas. I get roughly 4.9% better fuel economy combined with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas. I get roughly 3% better fuel economy in the City with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas. Driving 120 kph (74.5 mph) on the highway = 10 kph over the speed limit. :) I've been measuring for 6 months on premium Top Tier no ethanol gas. With on E10 87 octane, I have had water build-up in the tank and have stalled and always worried about phase separation (water laden ethanol separating from the gasoline). With Top Tier, I never have to worry about it. I pay a price premium of 9.5% for the Top Tier gas but get more power as well which comes in handy when towing. Since I have direct injection, I "should" be getting less carbon build up on the backside of the valves with Top Tier gas but this is unproven unless I want to tear down the engine every 6 months to take a look! The engine runs with noticeably less knock. The manufacturer recommends 91 octane premium but in the manual, it says you can operate the engine on 87 octane. Oh yeah, one more point, it costs as much energy to produce ethanol as you use it in your gasoline; it requires government subsidies to exist as an industry and the minimal amount of reduced carbon dioxide produced while burning it is more than offset by the conventional energy used to create it. In my mind, it should absolutely not be created and used in gasoline. Bottom line: premium Top Tier no ethanol gas IS DEFINITELY WORTH IT and I won't be going back to junk gas. Each to their own.
Basically Ethonol free gas was originally meant for small engines more than car. But it would be nice if they would bring it to every gas station. Then we wouldnt have to worry about clogged fuel injectors or clogged carburetors.
Not sure where you live but I have yet to find a gas station in Canada that doesn't have at least 2 blends of gas and the premium doesn't have ethanol.
All Fuels in the US contain Ethanol,even the high octane does...Only pumps marked "No Alcohol" or "Ethanol Free" are what they say they are!!! Premium is still Ethanol based!!!!
Ethanol fuel was meant for all engines...but it's a lie!!! It was created to lower the carbon footprint of fossil fuels,but it takes 1.63 gallons of fossil fuel to make .53 gallon of Ethanol,so ineffect we are increasing the carbon footprint by making Ethanol!!! Ethanol is a water based product so to get it to combine with gasoline a suspension agent is added,but that lowers the octane to approx 61-64,so here comes another additive,octane booster...oops the octane booster breaks the suspension agent up so here comes another additive...Can you see that Ethanol based fuels are a serious expensive joke dumped on the American public??? Oh and FYI the gov because they think it is such a great thing subsidizes the cost we pay at the pump for it!!!
One of the differences between our countries, eh? It probably has to do with different regulations. 87 Regular can have up to 10% ethanol, 89 Mid-grade up to 5% and 91 Premium is 0%. Some companies also classify their 91 Premium as a Top Tier gasoline as well which means a higher amount of detergents. I normally shop at Costco (gas is actually supplied by Federated Co-op, which is the refinery based right in my city) or I go to Shell. Costco Top Tier is a lot cheaper (14 ¢/litre plus 2% cashback) than Shell so that's where I purchase.
My 2007 Ford Fusion loves Ethanol free fuel. I noticed 4 more miles to the gallon then running 93 octane. Cost more but it's worth it and saves the engine and components
We have an ethanol gas station here in Seattle right down the street from where I live, it's about $4.59 a gallon, regular unleaded is about 3.20 right now. I've only ever wanted to put non-ethanol gas into my boat. Do you know if non-ethanol gas lasts any longer than regular gas? It's not a concern in my cars/trucks but in my boat it is. Anyways, good vid.
Just a random question: I got a fireplace E100 ethanol fuel in bottles from a friend, (don't know what to do with it) can I mix lets say, 1 bottle with a E87 regular gas and fill up the tank? will it cause any issues? Thank you in advance for responding
I lost 3 miles per gallon when ethanol fuel became the norm in my area. This causes me to BURN MORE FUEL TO OBTAIN MY DRIVING GOALS! Where is the "environmentally friendly" aspect if I have to burn way more fuel to achieve the same goal? NONE WHATSOEVER!
You lost 3 miles per gallon? What is that in percent of what you were getting? I already know the answer, 15%, so my best guess is you were getting 20 mpg and now you get 17. As far as I am concerned it now takes 5% more gasoline to make up the lost mileage from 10% ethanol. In my book that is 5% more emissions from gasoline. Ethanol is a scam on consumers. Are there any benefits to ethanol? Yes. Corn farmers got triple what they used to get per bushel so that helped many corporations like Monsanto and John DEERE. It also brought in lots of campaign money to politicians that voted yes on this scam.
Went from 17 mpg to 14 mpg. Not happy about this E-15 crap either. Ford, the manufacturer, declared in 2004 when I bought the truck new NOT to use ethanol fuel. So who will be paying for my new motor when it craps out? The farmers? HA! The only thing they see is their bottom line.
every 5 years should change plug wires. It helps believe it or not! I don't understand the cats on the exhaust system as it is twice as deadly as with regular exhaust system. I read someplace it cost the tax payer over $1500 to add this to the exhaust system and you burn more gas and exhaust is more deadly that regular exhaust. With this crap removed people have gained between 6 to 12 miles per gallon on regular gas thats plain gas no crap added. I think congress wanted to get the old cars off the road by adding ethanol as the older cars and trucks ethanol would dissolve the gaskets and plug up the fuel filters and dissolve the carb gaskets IMO
Full disclosure I hate the ethanol in my gas makes less power and decreased my mpg by 3: Im now an getting ~21mpg. The environmental benefit of ethanol is that its not using stored carbon like fossil fuel. Fossil fuel is carbon from eons ago that has been removed from the system. Ethanol is carbon present in the system. Example an ethanol made from corn is carbon taken from our air and then burned is back in the air net gain carbon is zero. fossil fuel burned is net gain more than zero in carbon in atmosphere. *** this is just a simplified version of what is happening.
The Maverick in Yerington, Nevada has it. Yep 30¢ a gallon more. My brand new 1979 BMW 320i was one of the rare vehicles not required to have a catalytic converter that year. Meaning I could run leaded supreme gas. Which got harder to find, then disappeared. Then ethanol.
All internal combustion engines can safely and economically use E15, regardless of age. This is proven by Brazil's decades long use of E15, E25, and now E27. They have the same engines as those available in the U.S. In addition, E15 to E30 was used throughout Great Britain from the 1920's to the 1970's. This is also true of other countries such as France and Germany. My 600+ page book "THE ETHANOL PAPERS" has just been published and it's free to read on TheAutoChannel.com website.
So: take 2 identical new cars from a dealer. Would you kindly 'Optimise' one to run on zero alcohol gas, and 'Optimise' the other to run on E85, and tell us what you did to each please? You say they will have identical mpg figures when 'Optimised.' I refer to your article on the site you name above where you assert BTU doesn't matter and to 'Optimise' the E85 engine will restore the mpg lost, which pretty much everyone in the world says occurs because gas contains 114,000 BTU v 76,100 BTU per gallon (in round numbers) for ethanol. So please, tell us what you did and give us the data you gathered. No doubt you then reversed the fuel used and showed that gas in an engine 'Optimised' for ethanol and ethanol in an engine 'Optimised' for gas gave entirely different results because of course, they weren't 'Optimised' were they? So: let us have the evidence otherwise less charitable folk may think that your assertions- for that is all they are- are mere quackery.
@@dny9394 It's clear that you didn't read my book, even though it's free to read online. If you did, then you would have read the results of literally thousands of tests over the past 120 years, and you would have learned what the three things are that optimize a spark-ignited internal combustion engine to run on ethanol. And, more importantly, you didn't read the studies that show that some engines don't have to be "optimized" to run on ethanol-blended fuel in order to get better results than just E0. When you write "less charitable" you must mean "less intelligent" folk, like you.
Back before 79,80,, there wasn't much plastic use in vehicle fuel systems and higher ethanol blends would work fine most likely, but some cars around the late 70s, early 80s had issues even with 10 percent blend when it came to fuel system parts.
My rule of thumb for gas is if it’s a small engine (mowers, dirt bikes, atvs ect) or one that will not be used as often, it gets 91 no ethanol mixed with an additive/stabilizer, and all my cars get 87 mixed with an appropriate amount of marvel mystery oil for added peace of mind when possible.
I put just over 4 gallons of 90/0E octane in my 2014 chevy cruze, yesterday ( may 18 ) ( was at 1/2 tank ) and on my way home i had about a 25 mile trip and i can't say if i noticed better performance or anything, but the car did seem to not have the lag, it normally does... I will say the auto mpg estimator on the car was showing a higher avg in mpg... since i've owned the car i've averaged right about 30mpg, ( best was 32mpg ) , and on the trip home my it was above 32mpg.... Now i know people have said you need to run a few tanks of 0 ethanol thru your car before you really see the difference...
Sorry- I don’t know anything about ethanol or cars- would have liked a fast paced debrief bout what was happening concerning mechanics bc I love long drives and would like to better understand what kind of car I need for mountain voyages! Thank you for the upload!!!
My 2016 corolla got 28.1mpg on average with regular 87, now with Rec90 I'm getting 31.1mpg, I did the same experiment with my 2007 Explorer 4.6 V8 and I went from 13.4mpg to 14.8mpg. Curiously the Corolla idles smoother and has more low end torque while on the hwy, meanwhile the Explorer just seems to idle abit smoother with no noticeable power gains. verdict: for smoother idle, about 10% better mpg and slightly more useable torque on smaller engines for $0.42 more per gallon is not a bad deal at all.
Pointless, the guy don't have a clue how to figure fuel mileage,, you don't do it by the fuel gauge. Total waste of time to watch this unless you want to know how much the guy likes his truck!
Wow, "not cheap" he said... Speeking to you from oil-producing country of Norway, where 1 liter petrol costs around 15-17 NOK these days. That translates to around $7 pr gallon. Diesel is a little cheaper here, around 13-15 NOK.. Som 15-20 years ago, we had about half the price we currently have on diesel and petrol.. Some years ago we had a E85 pump in my town. I drove many different cars, normally used to fill up to about 30-50% E85 and the rest petrol. A couple of cars ran with almost 100% E85. Power was the same, but consumption was increased by up to 30% I believe it was when on 100% E85. Reason is simple, ethanol has less energy than petrol.
I only use 93 ethanol free in my string trimmer and chainsaw mixtures. I also keep it in my generator with stabilizer for long periods. In the generator, I always shut off the fuel and let the engine burn what's in the carb. Otherwise, I use 87 regular in my vehicles and it runs just fine.
I've run both gas and diesel with and without ethanol. It's usually 20% cheaper for the E-15 and both the car and the F-250 get about 20% lower MPG. And for those who don't know it, the mixtures of each are different in summer and winter. They remove some of the additives during summer season. So, you are probably going to get 10-20% lower mileage in the winter vs. summer. They like to keep you guessing.
Bought a new Mitzy car in 06. Did measure tests over 600km into the country and back. Same loading both ways. Getting 6 litres/100km plain unleaded, 8 L/100km ethenol. City driving, 11- 14lt/100km ethenol, 8 unleaded. 91 octane used here.
Years ago, when I began noticing that my mileage was down some after using E-10 regular gasoline, I decided to try ethanol-free gasoline. And what a difference it made! I did calculations, and I was getting about 7 more mpg with the ethanol-free gasoline. From then on, I always use ethanol-free gasoline.
My 2004 GMC Sierra k-2500hd gets 10.6 mpg whether i am mountain driving, city driving or on interstate. even with a loaded car trailer @ 6500 lbs. It has the high output 6.0 liter engine. Even though it is a pig, I still love it. It just turned 78,000 miles
I mostly ride motorcycles when the weather is good. but I have a full size pickup and I just try to make sure that it's mostly non-ethanol the tank with a little stable if it's going to sit for very long
I drive in the rockies around SLC UT. My drive is highly regular due to the nature of taking a son to work, picking him up etc. Once a week I have a short highway run of 45 miles, which often ends up in stop and go at the south end of SL county. My 2013 Accord with the 1st year CVT holds 17.2 USG. I do 5 tanks of E10, then 5 tanks of no-ethanol. Miles driven varies a few, so I only look at the actual miles/USG driven. I fill up at exactly the same pump, facing the same way etc. I get about .4-.7 mpg better with the no-ethanol than with the E10. And that's right around 650 miles a tank, 16+ USG almost all the time. (690 on an all highwy run is my highest ever - 43mpg) ... I fill the tank about every 8 days. My car is now about 130k miles. In the winter when it's 20F or lower, I drop about 2-3 mpg regardless of fuel type. MPG during reasonable weather is always 39.4-40.5. Occaisionally I'll get a tank where I end up wtih a 41-42 if more of the miles are open highway, or high 38 if there was a lot of highway stoppages etc... and we get those on I-15 around Lehi (which is where the original dance scene from the 80's Footloose was filmed...) E10 has about 95-97% of the energy of full gas if you do the portions math, and that's pretty tightly reflected in my actual MPG results. Don't forget that 10% is noted as up-to in most places, NTBE... The one difference I can feel is from start to about 20, it's a bit smoother using the no-ethanol gas. Otherwise, I can't tell the difference in performance. Here in UT, you may or may not be getting Tier 3 gas yet due to small refinery exemptions which are getting trimmed down in 2019 and 2020 for the larger refineries. The smallest one actually provides it now but is only one supplier to several places like Costco and Smiths' (a Kroger). Towing and trucks, the minor energy different you might feel more fully. Don't store large volumes of E*, you'll get issues with alcohol degradation. Just my measured experience, (I have an engineering degree - look at this stuff for fun. lol)
In the 90’s I owned several 1986 Mazda B2000 trucks and they ran horribly if I put any ethanol gasoline in them. I also had a lawn service and the ethanol in the gasoline was causing problems with the carburetors in my lawn equipment. Finally The Minnesota Street Rod Association got the Mn legislature to allow premium ethanol free gas. Except it usually costs $1.00 more per gallon than regular 87 octane.
I've been using E85 here in michigan for 8 years with 0 issues! I converted my 01 dodge ram, my 1997 dodge neon street car, a few neon racecars and my 08 Avenger. All run amazing and I've won countless races in my neon. I leave it sit all winter in my tank and in the spring it fires up like nothing happened. Just my experience 👍 Best part is I keep my money in the USA, not making the sand jammers richer
Curious what would happen if you hooked a tuner up to the truck and added octane booster to it. Coz that's where I'm at.....why? Because you can't store long term ethanol. You can ethanol free in a Jerry can with fuel stabilizer. Something to think about as we approach the green new deal
Ethanol is added to gasoline to lower carbon emissions. The tradeoff is that it causes the gas to “age” by slowly absorbing water moisture out of any air it’s exposed to (in a storage container, in your fuel tank). When this water content in the gasoline gets high enough, I believe what happens is that not enough of it will bind with the ethanol and thus may be free to cause other damage, such as rust/corrosion in the fuel tank or along the fuel system. And since liquid water is incompressible (relative to fuel/air anyway), too high a water content can be bad for the compression stroke. Ethanol-free gas shouldn’t absorb water moisture from the air (or should do so much less slowly), so it “ages” slower and thus its primary benefit should be if you want to store fuel for longer than the typical ~90d you get from ordinary ethanol blends. If I wanted to store gasoline (say for disaster prep/readiness purposes), I’d prefer e-free gas perhaps with fuel stabilizer, over ordinary gas + stabilizer.
We call it Rec90 (90 octane) here in south Florida and it gives me solidly 15% better fuel economy. I have done many tests with it in my 383 stroker Chevy Tahoe. It's a 10:1 motor with Vortec injectors from a Vette and long tube headers into turbo mufflers with 2 1/2 pipes. It's a tad over 400 hp with 450 lbs of torque. With 87 unleaded it gets a little under 10 mpg with 93 it gets right at 10. But with MTMB (this is the octane booster ethanol replaced) Rec90 it consistently gets 11.5. I've also turned my best 1/4 time with the Rec90 of 14.2@98mph. With the 87 it's a pig, a big mean sow but the Rec fuel makes it a mean ass boar. P
Do you remember after the hurricane last year when some suppliers snuck in some E-85 gas and sold it to us poor desperate south Florida people and all the subsequent havoc that created with our chain saws, generators, etc? Been using REC-90 in everything except the daily driver car and truck ever since. It's criminal that Ethanol gas was forced upon us as most of our engines were never designed to run on that stuff. Run time per tankful and sudden hot starting issues on my generator are what keyed me onto the E-85 sneaky-pete switcheroo.
I agree with you...I got a 2014 Mustang with Coyote engine and 420 HP... I living in Miami Fla.and I start use Rec fuel 2 months ago...my car running smoother,it feel with more power and give me a 2 mpg on my daily drive with a/c...doing maths at the end is cheaper than a premium with ethanol...
I religiously use ethanol free gas, however the octane is 91 where I live. Compared to regular 87 ethanol gas I've noticed better gas mileage, approximately 25% better. I've heard octane ratings don't matter unless you have a high performance vehicle so it's difficult to say if it's the higher octane, ethanol free status or perhaps a combination of the two that ultimately gives me the better mileage.
My 2012 Honda Accord consistently can go right up to 500 miles of highway driving on non ethanol gas before being on E. When i use reg ethanol 10% gas i typically can go about 460 miles before being on E. When i have used 10% ethanol gas in lawnmowers at the end of a season it is a pain to get going the next spring. However , when i use non ethanol gas at the end of a season the mowers start right up the next spring
The biggest problem with ethanol is that we are using farm land to raise corn to produce moonshine to mix with gasoline instead of raising crops to feed people. Many of us probably remember when the USA was the breadbasket of the world. Not anymore. Take a look in your grocery store and see how many fruits, vegetables and meats are imported.
I have a tiny little econobox that's really stressed out running on our 80MPH freeways. On 10% ethanol fuel I always got 30% worse fuel economy than the EPA numbers. On ethanol free, I get that 30% back and match what the EPA says the car should get. It may be that it makes less of a difference on big, low stress engines?
So I appreciate the content, and your experiment did basically answer the question of gas mileage with ethanol-free (EF) fuels with a few caveats: 1. I have not seen (nor have I really looked) claims that EF gas gives better MPG mileage, this is not the point of this type of fuel. 2. Your load to the dump likely did skew the numbers a bit. You mentioned a 2,000 lbs load, but I'm not sure you added the weight of the trailer as well? This will change MPG, especially when doing a one-tank test. 3. When you filled your tank with EF, you had residual fuel in it. From a little research on your gas tank, I estimate that you had about 10% - 15% of the previous furl remaining when adding the EF. This will also change the end data points. 4. A better way to have done this would have been to fill it with EF like you did, run it out leaving just a gallon or so in it then fill again with EF and run your numbers, without adding the sidetrack of a loaded trailer. This would have been much more accurate, but likely giving similar results of about 1-2 MPG variance I would assume. Points to consider: 1. EF fuels work better at not gumming up carburetors and fuel injection systems, especially on small engines and motors that are not used frequently. 2. The real benefit of EF fuel is when storing small engines like chainsaws, lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc for long periods. This fuel along with a stabilizer will prevent problems in the future after long storage periods, assuming this fuel has been run through it for several minutes prior to storage, etc. Good video though, it really got me thinking about htis. Thanks for posting this.
Ran entire tank to Idaho from Washington on E10 getting 24.1 mpg average in a 2019 Toyota Highlander, and 26.1 mpg back from trip with no ethanol gas @ 80mph. Not sure if elevation change had effect going opposite directions.
I like how they charge more for a product that costs less to make.
hemified sixtyfour it's just like diesel
@tumbacan *corn subsidies and subsidies for including ethanol in fuel is what lowers the price.
@tumbacan It makes the Iowa corn lobby happy and lines their pockets. That's all that matters.
Ethanol free gas isn't for power and or gas mileage. Ethanol fucks your car up
Ethanol has fewer BTUs than gasoline.
You have to run more than 1 tank of gas through it to see results. I started to see better mileage and restored power in my 2000 Silverado after the 3rd tank of ethanol free gas.👍
The Camaro Kid L I think you are right about that...I just got a ultra low mileage 89 S10 Blazer..4.3l...in very hot weather it would stall out after an initial start up...I began filling up with Non ethanol gas and after about the 4 tank I could really tell a difference...no more stalls..the engine idols much smoother now and I do see a slight increase in millage ...not drastic but I'd say around 25 more miles a tank or so.
My MPGs went up 5 minutes later in my 2015 Sentra lol
fastdraw30 most vehicles built before 2008 were designed for just regular 87 octane non ethanol fuel. Once they started putting ethanol in the fuel the pre 2008 vehicles ran crappy and that’s why they did the cash for clunkers thing.
The computer even in older cars have to adjust that the fact you're stating. Completely true.
@@dougsgarage1798 20% of power is lost in ethanol fuels compared to 100%
I put Ethanol free fuel on my 2015 Sentra. I was impressed. It is a newer car so it idles very smooth but when I put non ethanol the car almost felt like it was off lol. My throttle response was a lot better. Noticed a very slight power increase and almost 20% better gas mileage. I noticed almost immediately!
Same with my Corolla, one tankful and it felt better.
Anyone with yard equipment wants ethanol free fuel.
And lawnmower shops around the nation are rejoicing over ethanol free fuel.
Fuel mileage ?
Who cares if you have to stop cleaning carburetors out every few months, 30-40c a gallon more cost is totally worth it.
Only ethanol free in my yard equipment.
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Yes, but it does smell like petrol. Have you not acrylated petrol in the US? acrylated petrol was developed for people who, for example, worked in the forest. So that they would be less affected by exhaust gases
My car runs much smoother with ethanol free and it's cleaner for the engine.
Fuel and ethanol both clean your engine. It's all about your engine fuel system and compression ratio bubba.
@@CodyDoesIt actually the funny thing i noticed is that my car runs better with e15 fuel. And its cheaper too lol
Same. My cars rough Idle at start up in cold temperatures goes away of I put in 93 octane or the 89 ethanol free gas. Don’t understand why it has to be 80 cents a gallon more lol. But it gives me about 2 mpg better on the highway.
I use e85 much cleaner and higher octane than any ethanol free unleaded.
@@aquactrl1484 e85 is trash
Ethanol free is defintly the way to go ,especially for seasonal small engines.Even with Amsoil Fuel stabilizer and Marvel mystery oil Gas here in the south.goes bad quick.Also put it in our 2013 Dodge Challenger.89 octane(WAWA)It picked up 6 mpg the first time .The ethanol evaporates leaving junk behind and it attackes rubber.
My Kawasaki zx14 has an instant mileage reading like a lot of cars. It reads about 34-36mpg on level road at 60mph with high test ethanol. With high test pure gas it gets (on the same road) 42-44mpg. The corrosion caused by the ethanol is enough to get me to pay the higher price for pure gas.
I can get shell 93 octane ethanol free near my house. MPG goes from 19 to 23 average ( WITH AC running!) and I feel about a 10% difference in torque and it idles a lot smoother. Costs $3.45 a gallon but damn, its worth every penny.
My car only needs 87 octane but I’ll use shells 93 octane a few times a year because they put a crap ton of detergents in their 93 v power
What’s the price right now?
@@Bonanzaking A lot cheaper now, still more expensive than regular premium, but not by much. Think it was $2.20, regular 93 is $1.91. With oil as cheap as it is, I think all the stations are gouging because it's less noticeable now.
In Florida right now regular gas is 1.77 for regular and 2.35 for 93 octane
@@joshn938 yeah that was hilarious. I found one shell station near my area and it had E-0 fuel. It was more expensive than premium nitro shell. Like wtf. I could have just bought premium but saw the red pump and had to try it. Besides my 4runner runs a 10.6:1 ratio so I think it could benefit from it rofl.
Also it was 15 cents more.
I've been running ethanol free in my 2002 6 cylinder Tacoma for two months now, that's about five fill ups. I am getting 3-5 miles/gallon better, full power through the rpm range, absolutely no pinging or knocking, and the octane rating is 87. Pure gas is better for me anyway.
Of COURSE!! the politicians know this. all about MORE money.
Then you have found some odd E85 because normally E85 should be above 100 octane
Try using, for example, 25% E85 mixed with 93 octane gasoline
The time to use ethanol free is in an engine that gets occasional use. Ethanol attracts water that will ruin the fuel system if it is left sitting.
Hey Jimmy, even though it is just over a year old, I just watched this video. It goes to show that being a car enthusiast and mechanic myself, the only two people I follow on RUclips are you and Scotty Kilmer. That is because both of you give realistic, unbiased observations and opinions about things and items you test. I have a four-cylinder Honda Accord and I try to exclusively run ethanol free gas in it. Living in South Florida, ethanol free gas is pretty easy to find. I average about 5 to 8 miles per gallon more using ethanol free gas than I do using 10% ethanol gasoline. Not everyone sees those results but those are my results with my experience. Take care and keep up the great work sir!
You’re a mechanic and you watch Scotty Kilmer? 😂 where do you work valvoline ?
Used it in my jeep and Subaru… Saw no difference. Use it in my carbureted tools a.k.a. four wheeler, lawnmowers, chainsaw… Exceptional difference! Not only do they run better but it stores over the winter.
This video should be renamed "city boy goes to the country for the first time"
Ethanol Free Fuel = BEST!
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@@JodBronson You chose to make a stupid ignorant comment, and you think it's 'chill' to show you wearing a pooftah hat in a retarded way.
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Yeah, go to The Auto Channel, we can use the traffic and attention, schmuck!
@@TheAutoChannel You definitely could use the traffic. Not much going on there.
I use non ethanol premium gasoline in my Porsche 911 whenever possible. On cross country trips I cannot usually find non ethanol fuel so the Porsche gets the 10% ethanol fuel. When on the ethanol free gasoline the car has definitely has more power. It’s especially noticeable in cooler temperatures. I’ve noticed that ethanol free gasoline is becoming more available in 2022.
There is a difference between when the petrol company mixes in ethanol and when a private person mixes in ethanol. when the private person mixes in Ethanol, the octane content will be higher. Pure ethanol is over well above 100 octane. And should also have more oxygen. but if you want to get the most out of the ethanol fuel, you may also have to change the engine so Settings Like the timing and mixing of oxygen and fuel
Very informative video. Enjoyable to watch the sites along the way too. Incidentally, your truck is pretty sweet. I drive a Tacoma pickup which is very reliable and fairly fuel-efficient. But there is no way it matches your Chevy in terms of interior quality. Your truck, and probably most American trucks, have larger, sturdier seats and are more spacious. You got a great deal on it too.
I have found that the fuel economy is more noticeable with a more fuel efficient engine. Even then, power and economy are close enough that the average will see no benefit. You will get no benefit from using Premium in a vehicle designed for regular. The engine was designed to be optimized for the combustion speed of regular. The higher the octane, the slower the burn. The net effect is actually opposite of what you desire.
Very nice suburban. Good to see you appreciate it for what it is 👍🏼
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Thank you so much for making it. Thumbs up
When I’m on the highway in my 98 suburban with ethanol free fuel I notice 3 to 4 more miles per gallon.
Me too in my ram 1500 hemi. I get ethanol free 89 octane at the BP near my home.
In my 97 Tahoe there is a huge difference in power and mileage, if I'm going to be on the interstate I only run premium gas, we have an 80mph speed limit, if I run the ethanol garbage the vehicle is a complete mutt and mileage drops considerably, all one has to do is look up the cost of production for ethanol and you can see it is in NO WAY more economical
Brett, if someone knows how to add and subtract they would actually find that using an ethanol-gasoline blend is more economical. But you do have to know how to add and subtract.
@@TheAutoChannel I believe you are right but you surely are not making any friends here.
Knowing how to add and subtract is on my list of what I require my friends to know.
In my experience, older (pre-1995 import, pre-2000 domestic) run better and get significantly better mileage with ethanol free fuel. Newer vehicles do the same or worse. Guess it depends what your car was designed for.
Several years ago, I rented an Impala for a road trip from upstate New York (Syracuse area) to northern Utah. I went to pick it up and it had 90 miles on the clock, and a "flex fuel" tag on the trunk. I decided to run a test. The first place I could get non-ethanol fuel was, I think in Indiana. I filled the tank with non-ethanol, and then all the way to Utah, each time I filled it with non-ethanol. I kept track of my $$, gallons, and miles. We then drove up to Yellowstone and back, and I didn't keep track of anything at that time. On the way back to CNY, I used ONLY regular 87 with (up to) 10% ethanol. Again, I kept track religiously of $$, gallons, and miles. When I compared the results on a "dollars per mile" basis, the NON-ethanol gas was the clear winner. Ethanol is basically moonshine, and moonshine doesn't belong in my gas tank, or anyone else's ...
I can make moonshine that gets better mileage! :)
Love your videos Jim!
So I took my 2004 Grand Prix put a 69k used 06 engine, still on stock ignition from GM. Around 100k I decided to try ethanol free. Got below 1/2 tank, topped off with 90 E free. Then again at payday. Then ran her dead empty 17 gal tank took 16.1 to fill my mileage was 23.6, ran three tanks all averaged 22.9-23.6 and just checked E10 full tank(third tank after going back to E10) mileage at full up 23.6. no difference.
Ethanol will scour your fuel system, stochiometric afr is 14.7 with gas, 14 ish on E10, E85 9.6.
Ethanol has 100-105 octane. Now my E0 was 90 octane. I haven't swapped on my blower yet as I still. Need drive parts, injectors and headers. Then to figure out my tuner and start tuning.
But everyone keeps villifying ethanol YET fail to understand it does create domestic services if we could just get government to let industry start handling it's self without subsidies. In 4 states where ethanol is produced the cattle feed grade grain used to make it cannot be resold as distillers dried grain or wet cattle feed unless they plant sells a large amount for "other" uses other than fuel. And we also need to understand that the alternative we previously was using was MTBE and it's poison and a carcinogenic compound, whereas ethanol if spilled can some be allowed to evaporate/drain away or be washed away.
Now can you have issues in equipment after it's put in and warmed by engine, yes. If you use E10 in equipment, as it gets low, only put in what you need to finish job, have small can of stabil handy and a squirt stops any issues if stored. My buddy uses E0 in his lawn service equipment and it has not helped or hurt maintenance issues. Oil service and tune ups do more. He never uses Champion plugs, always uses Shell Rotella T oil, wix filters and changes on set hours. All our is collected in different barrels. He has two old trash hauler trucks that carry twigs, sticks etc and they burn oil so used mower oils go through those. He has some air cooled non filtered engines with 50,000 hrs and no I'll effects since going to set intervals with he meters. Same on vehicles. His dump truck has 450k and same engine, 2 nd clutch, and regular service intervals keeps trucks and trailers in good shape.
I moved from Michigan to Florida two years ago. Non-ethanol 87 octane gas was easy to find in Detroit and cost the same as gas with ethanol, so that's what I used 80% of the time. I noticed my car was getting about 10% less mpg in Florida. I chucked it up to being a 10 year ago Honda.
Recently I bit the bullet and started buying non-ethanol gas in Florida. I can only find it in 89 octane and at a big price increase (20% average) But now my MPG is back to normal. And I just don't think ethanol is good to put in a car. It's worth the price difference to me. Just my two cents.
Great buy on that 'burban!
Love those kind of finds!
Haha...I was just looking up feedback on Clear for autos, and noticed the ACE hardware, THEN the REGAL sign! And realized hey, that's MY Maverik station!!
Then later, saw you flat out say you're here in Spokane as well!
I have a '93 S10 Blazer, AND a '93 GMC Vandura. YOUR info is great to know and just what I was looking for! The lack of ethanol is great if you're gas sits UNUSED for long periods. Apparently, CLEAR will last years, just like the old days being it's ethanol free! So it's ideal for mowers and snowblowers without having to remember to add stabilizers, such as 'Stabil". Thanks again, neighbor!
Good job, Jimmy! I absolutely loathe ethanol. It’s just not right to use food for fuel. Wrong on many levels. Ruins small engines, especially two cycles. Outboards, chain saws, lawn mower etc. I hate the mess.
Corn used for animal feed, yet they use the part which is the worst for animal feed and the leftover from the ethanol making process is dried disteller grain which is a premium animal feed. This isn't the corn you eat on the cob or goes into your cornflakes.
whiskey @@davidclough3951
you can higher grades of ethonal free fuel. When I was driving through TN on my way to TX, I gained about another 100 miles in fuel milage. I believe its worth it.
Great attitude for a little job. I need an assistant like this!
My Lexus RC’s difference between normal 91 octane premium, and the Pure Gas (Kwik Trip Recreational Fuel), which is about 20% more expensive then traditional premium is night and day. As a daily driver on backroads with no traffic, I can get 30-32ish in eco mode. With the ethanol free I often max out the gauge at 40+ mpg. The toque is also noticeably improved, no lag on the pedal. Well worth the cost, as it seems to be nearly returned on fuel economy anyways. Total win in my book.
North of Spokane, always a pretty drive/area.
I once filled my wife’s Honda Civic with ethanol free gas on a road trip and we had been averaging 36-38 mpg and the tank with the clear gas got 44 mpg! Next tank e10 went back to 37.
I have suburban too. 1995 GMC K2500 454 4x4. Best car ever!
Sweet video I live in Ford,WA and drive the same route you did everyday
I used that fuel when towing a 4000lb trailer using Ford F-150 2.7L on I-90 and saw a difference in MPG after the second tank. Used it the entire trip, and got better performance in the mountains, and mileage. Using it in my lawnmower is better too. It can sit all winter outside and start up after a couple pulls. I never use this fuel in normal operation at all, as the benefits are lower when not towing.
the hardest thing is in these lower mpg vehciles and trucks a little change can be very hard to notice but going from say 11.5 - 12 in the same situation saves the same as a 45 mpg car going to 54 so where as its easy to see the change in the 45 to 54 car the change is much harder to notice in a less fuel efficent vehicle
Ethanol free fuel is mainly for vehicles/engines that sit for longer periods of time. Especially carbureted engines. The ethanol evaporates and leaves a vanish in carb jets. Not surprised no significant performance or mileage gain here. Thanks for the honest review
No wonder your videos are so well made!
Now that was Scientific ! Geeezzz
In my 89 S10 Blazer I began using non ethanol gas due to stalling and rough idol issues. After about 4 complete tanks no more stalling and rough idol. I do see a slight increase in fuel mileage.. nothing drastic but enough to warrant paying a lil extra at the pump for the benefits.
my experience with fuel! i have quite a bit since being a professional mechanic and i only run ethanol free fuel myself when ever possible! its easier on the older fuel systems and it doesnt asorbe moisture! i will give you better fuel economy how much that depends on vehicle and driving conditions on how much better also it can take awhile for the fuel trims in the computer to re-learn since non-ethanol fuel will need less fuel to burn compared to ethanol fuel! it will also give you better cat converter and o2 sensor life! i did this test on my truck which is a 2005 chevy k1500 pickup 4.8 4x4 auto with 3.55 gearing with electric fans on a 200 mile trip driving 55-65 mph and a/c on ethanol fuel was 19 mpg and non-ethanol fuel was 21.8 mpg! it depends on vehicle and driving conditions! but you will get some better fuel economy how much that differs! also a high octane will not benefit your truck being stock and not modified i was designed to run on 87 octane and 92 would be a waste of money! octane is the ability to resist detonation! since you have lower compression being a stock engine you would not need high octane fuel!
Ethanol only has 30% the power of gas, takes 20% off your mileage. It absorbs water from the air and makes gum and you get phase separation at 80 degrees, and you cant store it because it will separate leaving water at the bottom
Your facts in your first sentence are wrong. Ethanol has about 66% the energy of the unleaded gas. E10 has approx. 3% less energy and therefore "should" have 3% worse mileage. But it depends on the particular engine on whether that holds true.
Stephen Grant yep. HATE ethanol. EPA GARBAGE.
It's the very fact that alcohol is hygroscopic that any water becomes absorbed. Just the opposite of your hygrophobic claim. That was the purpose of canned gasoline antifreeze, also alcohol, to keep fuel systems from freezing up in winter. So the current alcohol content in gasoline is serving a purpose in below freezing conditions. You'd think that no one would buy the canned gas antifreeze anymore for that reason, but I continue to see it on automotive department shelves.
Further, I'm pretty sure that alcohol content in gasoline is adjusted seasonally. More in winter and less in summer. I've never seen the actual amount documented anywhere; only an overall upper limit.
@Stephen Grant But, it is HIGH octane like racing gas. Everything else, deal breaker.
@@TheOzthewiz Steven, I hope you understand what octane ratings mean. First, it is NOT more powerful. Octane is a measure of how well the fuel resists preignition. Higher compression ratio engines have a tendency to ignite fuel from higher pressures before the spark plug fires. This is called detonation and higher octane fuels resist that tendency so that the fuel ignites at the right time. If detonation occurs it can hurt performance as well as excessively stress the engine.
1 Road i have a 2016 impala and its flex fuel and with 100% gas i get 24.5 mpg in town but e-10 i get 23.2 mpg
I have a 1992 Chevrolet Silverado 5.7L (350 CSB) with a 700R4 transmission and a 373 rear axle. I made a trip from Downingtown pa to South West Philadelphia then to Charleston South Carolina drove around there for about 40 miles, then went back to drop off my relatives in South West Philadelphia and back home to Mont Clare pa on 1 35 gallon tank of gas! Try checking to see if your ignition timing is correct, by disconnecting the engine computer and looking with a timing light on the harmonic balancer and timing cover to see if it is set to 0° TDC on the #1 cylinder on the compression stroke! I highly recommend you try also using the NGK V-power spark plugs for that truck! That's what I've been using in mine for the past 5 years and I haven't had any problems with fouling out the spark plugs like I've had with the OEM plugs (AC DELCO), Champion, Motorcraft, and A1 Cardone plugs! Pretty soon I'll be trying the E3 spark plugs for my engine too! I'm curious to see how they compare to the NGK's that I've been using for the past 5 years! You also might also wanna rebuild your throttle body! I believe being as though you said it's a 1995 it should have a 2 bbl throttle body in it! Feel free to Email me if you would like to see and hear how my engine runs! Also no my engine has not been rebuilt! DANBED2002@gmail.com
2002 Toyota Echo 307k miles. With regular 87, 33 mpg, non-ethanol 87, 35 mpg. Last two tanks, I mixed half premium and 87 non-ethanol. Might be a fluke, but I got 40 and 41 mpg on the mixed tanks. The difference was significant enough for me to want to try the Frankengas a few more times to see what happens.
as a former mechanic (45 yrs. ago) I have heard recently ethanol is corrosive to metal parts of the fuel line. I remember old articles reporting a change in the metals in the valve train.
The valves were changed when no-lead came out.
Hey! I’m a graduate of Ferris High School- Spokane. Now living in Houston: 2006 Suburban ~ 209,00 miles.
Ps, Suburban drivers don’t care about gas mileage....
you should get better mileage over time, but the best benefit is your gas will not go bad if it's sitting in your engine for 30+ days... great for small engines that you don't use over the winter. Nothing worse than a lawn mower that won't start
My 98 would literally die at red lights with ethanol gas. Idled smooth with non ethanol. That was before the tune-up, since I started running Chevron , because non ethanol was getting hard to come by, and it's doing ok. But, truth is, ethanol gas is not good for your vehicle, terrible for any small carb engine , and does drop your gas mileage.
Says: Especially when you have good stuff to look at.
: Points camera at a barn.
I run clear premium gas in my 2007 and 2010 Lincoln Town Cars both using the 4.6 lt V8 FFV Engine. This is my experience.
Engine Benefits
it does offer better combustion It does have better cleaner due to ethanol being known for its corrosive properties and my engine runs much smoother.
Performance:
For me personally clear is worth it mainly because it doesn’t share the lag that ethanol give when I fill up. My RPMs between shifts with ethanol shoot up to 3500rpms under heavy acceleration before shifting with clear shifts right about 2500-2700 so engine timing and throttle response is amazing.
Fuel Efficiency:
Being a more aggressive driver you expect my fuel economy to just tank. Here are my town car fuel economy numbers
with ethanol regularly my car gets about 14-17mpg
with ethanol Premium I get about 19-20MPG
with Clear Premium I get 23-27 MPG
that’s my experience clear is it worth doing it every week no but once or twice a month in my opinion I would and I do. Clear is more expensive in Portland it’s avg cost for clear premium gas is 3.99 per gallon avg. so the cost is higher but the choice is yours.
I just filled my Outback up with E0 90 for the first time. It's has a turbo so I usually run premium (at least 91), but I'm very interested to see if this ethanol free 90 changes anything. I've only had the new Outback for a few months and I want to protect its fuel system. E10 87 ruined the fuel system in my snow blower.
I am getting ready to drive about 160 one way, so about 320 miles maybe more depending. To mention my 2005 chevy Tahoe is Flexfuel vehicle. For the last three tanks I have run E-85 ethanol. This is going to be the first scenes I have owned it to run ethanol free starting tomorrow. I will share my results soon.
I use Holiday 93 ethanol free fuel in my fusion. I do a lot of driving around the city, I get better mileage and performance using it. I would have to fill up every 4-5 days on 15% ethanol, now I fill up every 6-7 days. Its cost maybe $12-15 extra a fill up.
Pointless video. You didn't drive your vehicle the same both tanks, you even pulled a trailer.
Heaven forbid he used his truck like he always does. As he mentioned a few times, Historically that truck always got 11.5-12 mpg. So his results are completely Valid. If you wanted someone in a white lab coat doing the test maybe you Came to the wrong place. If you were going to try different fuels this is exactly how you would test them.
in my area, costco gas is ethanol free but doesn't advertise it. Maybe is usual costco gas was ethanol free all the time and the comparison is mute point.
@@recrdholdr results are not valid! He lives in a different location and has more stops and starts with a trailer? what crap
Have you tested the costco gas?
But, will this fuel last longer in your tank for long-term storage without going bad?
For an average daily vehicle, cheapest fuel. For a bike, boat, small engine, race car, ethanol free.
What's really rare is ethanol free 87, its usually at only 1 station near any small town and never at newer stations. The best thing for everyone will be when an alcohol free biofuel can be made cheaply that performs as good as gas. Diesels already get this bonus with algae fuels and hydrodiesel.
I get roughly 10.5% better fuel economy on the highway with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas.
I get roughly 4.9% better fuel economy combined with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas.
I get roughly 3% better fuel economy in the City with premium Top Tier no ethanol gas.
Driving 120 kph (74.5 mph) on the highway = 10 kph over the speed limit. :) I've been measuring for 6 months on premium Top Tier no ethanol gas.
With on E10 87 octane, I have had water build-up in the tank and have stalled and always worried about phase separation (water laden ethanol separating from the gasoline). With Top Tier, I never have to worry about it.
I pay a price premium of 9.5% for the Top Tier gas but get more power as well which comes in handy when towing.
Since I have direct injection, I "should" be getting less carbon build up on the backside of the valves with Top Tier gas but this is unproven unless I want to tear down the engine every 6 months to take a look!
The engine runs with noticeably less knock.
The manufacturer recommends 91 octane premium but in the manual, it says you can operate the engine on 87 octane.
Oh yeah, one more point, it costs as much energy to produce ethanol as you use it in your gasoline; it requires government subsidies to exist as an industry and the minimal amount of reduced carbon dioxide produced while burning it is more than offset by the conventional energy used to create it. In my mind, it should absolutely not be created and used in gasoline.
Bottom line: premium Top Tier no ethanol gas IS DEFINITELY WORTH IT and I won't be going back to junk gas. Each to their own.
Basically Ethonol free gas was originally meant for small engines more than car. But it would be nice if they would bring it to every gas station. Then we wouldnt have to worry about clogged fuel injectors or clogged carburetors.
Not sure where you live but I have yet to find a gas station in Canada that doesn't have at least 2 blends of gas and the premium doesn't have ethanol.
All Fuels in the US contain Ethanol,even the high octane does...Only pumps marked "No Alcohol" or "Ethanol Free" are what they say they are!!! Premium is still Ethanol based!!!!
Ethanol fuel was meant for all engines...but it's a lie!!! It was created to lower the carbon footprint of fossil fuels,but it takes 1.63 gallons of fossil fuel to make .53 gallon of Ethanol,so ineffect we are increasing the carbon footprint by making Ethanol!!! Ethanol is a water based product so to get it to combine with gasoline a suspension agent is added,but that lowers the octane to approx 61-64,so here comes another additive,octane booster...oops the octane booster breaks the suspension agent up so here comes another additive...Can you see that Ethanol based fuels are a serious expensive joke dumped on the American public??? Oh and FYI the gov because they think it is such a great thing subsidizes the cost we pay at the pump for it!!!
One of the differences between our countries, eh? It probably has to do with different regulations. 87 Regular can have up to 10% ethanol, 89 Mid-grade up to 5% and 91 Premium is 0%. Some companies also classify their 91 Premium as a Top Tier gasoline as well which means a higher amount of detergents. I normally shop at Costco (gas is actually supplied by Federated Co-op, which is the refinery based right in my city) or I go to Shell. Costco Top Tier is a lot cheaper (14 ¢/litre plus 2% cashback) than Shell so that's where I purchase.
My 2007 Ford Fusion loves Ethanol free fuel. I noticed 4 more miles to the gallon then running 93 octane. Cost more but it's worth it and saves the engine and components
Older cars especially will benefit more from ethanol free son makes sense
We have an ethanol gas station here in Seattle right down the street from where I live, it's about $4.59 a gallon, regular unleaded is about 3.20 right now. I've only ever wanted to put non-ethanol gas into my boat. Do you know if non-ethanol gas lasts any longer than regular gas? It's not a concern in my cars/trucks but in my boat it is. Anyways, good vid.
Just a random question: I got a fireplace E100 ethanol fuel in bottles from a friend, (don't know what to do with it) can I mix lets say, 1 bottle with a E87 regular gas and fill up the tank? will it cause any issues? Thank you in advance for responding
You would have to run three tanks of E-free in a row to get accurate results on this.
I lost 3 miles per gallon when ethanol fuel became the norm in my area. This causes me to BURN MORE FUEL TO OBTAIN MY DRIVING GOALS! Where is the "environmentally friendly" aspect if I have to burn way more fuel to achieve the same goal? NONE WHATSOEVER!
You lost 3 miles per gallon?
What is that in percent of what you were getting?
I already know the answer, 15%, so my best guess is you were getting 20 mpg and now you get 17.
As far as I am concerned it now takes 5% more gasoline to make up the lost mileage from 10% ethanol.
In my book that is 5% more emissions from gasoline.
Ethanol is a scam on consumers.
Are there any benefits to ethanol?
Yes.
Corn farmers got triple what they used to get per bushel so that helped many corporations like Monsanto and John DEERE.
It also brought in lots of campaign money to politicians that voted yes on this scam.
Went from 17 mpg to 14 mpg. Not happy about this E-15 crap either. Ford, the manufacturer, declared in 2004 when I bought the truck new NOT to use ethanol fuel. So who will be paying for my new motor when it craps out? The farmers? HA! The only thing they see is their bottom line.
My gas mileage dropped from 16 to 14 when I started burning E-10. Before E-10 I never had to replace a fuel pump. Now they seem to fail every 2 years.
every 5 years should change plug wires. It helps believe it or not! I don't understand the cats on the exhaust system as it is twice as deadly as with regular exhaust system. I read
someplace it cost the tax payer over $1500 to add this to the exhaust system and you burn more gas and exhaust is more deadly that regular exhaust. With this crap removed
people have gained between 6 to 12 miles per gallon on regular gas thats plain gas no crap added. I think congress wanted to get the old cars off the road by adding ethanol
as the older cars and trucks ethanol would dissolve the gaskets and plug up the fuel filters and dissolve the carb gaskets IMO
Full disclosure I hate the ethanol in my gas makes less power and decreased my mpg by 3: Im now an getting ~21mpg. The environmental benefit of ethanol is that its not using stored carbon like fossil fuel. Fossil fuel is carbon from eons ago that has been removed from the system. Ethanol is carbon present in the system. Example an ethanol made from corn is carbon taken from our air and then burned is back in the air net gain carbon is zero. fossil fuel burned is net gain more than zero in carbon in atmosphere. *** this is just a simplified version of what is happening.
here in KCMO, the ethanol free fuel is 91 octane and is only 5 cents higher than premium unleaded price
The Maverick in Yerington, Nevada has it. Yep 30¢ a gallon more. My brand new 1979 BMW 320i was one of the rare vehicles not required to have a catalytic converter that year. Meaning I could run leaded supreme gas. Which got harder to find, then disappeared. Then ethanol.
All internal combustion engines can safely and economically use E15, regardless of age. This is proven by Brazil's decades long use of E15, E25, and now E27. They have the same engines as those available in the U.S. In addition, E15 to E30 was used throughout Great Britain from the 1920's to the 1970's. This is also true of other countries such as France and Germany.
My 600+ page book "THE ETHANOL PAPERS" has just been published and it's free to read on TheAutoChannel.com website.
So: take 2 identical new cars from a dealer. Would you kindly 'Optimise' one to run on zero alcohol gas, and 'Optimise' the other to run on E85, and tell us what you did to each please? You say they will have identical mpg figures when 'Optimised.' I refer to your article on the site you name above where you assert BTU doesn't matter and to 'Optimise' the E85 engine will restore the mpg lost, which pretty much everyone in the world says occurs because gas contains 114,000 BTU v 76,100 BTU per gallon (in round numbers) for ethanol. So please, tell us what you did and give us the data you gathered. No doubt you then reversed the fuel used and showed that gas in an engine 'Optimised' for ethanol and ethanol in an engine 'Optimised' for gas gave entirely different results because of course, they weren't 'Optimised' were they? So: let us have the evidence otherwise less charitable folk may think that your assertions- for that is all they are- are mere quackery.
@@dny9394 It's clear that you didn't read my book, even though it's free to read online. If you did, then you would have read the results of literally thousands of tests over the past 120 years, and you would have learned what the three things are that optimize a spark-ignited internal combustion engine to run on ethanol. And, more importantly, you didn't read the studies that show that some engines don't have to be "optimized" to run on ethanol-blended fuel in order to get better results than just E0. When you write "less charitable" you must mean "less intelligent" folk, like you.
Back before 79,80,, there wasn't much plastic use in vehicle fuel systems and higher ethanol blends would work fine most likely, but some cars around the late 70s, early 80s had issues even with 10 percent blend when it came to fuel system parts.
@@davidclough3951 Your comment is a joke, right? In 1979-80 other than in Brazil, where was ethanol being used?
My rule of thumb for gas is if it’s a small engine (mowers, dirt bikes, atvs ect) or one that will not be used as often, it gets 91 no ethanol mixed with an additive/stabilizer, and all my cars get 87 mixed with an appropriate amount of marvel mystery oil for added peace of mind when possible.
I love MMO!!
I put just over 4 gallons of 90/0E octane in my 2014 chevy cruze, yesterday ( may 18 ) ( was at 1/2 tank ) and on my way home i had about a 25 mile trip and i can't say if i noticed better performance or anything, but the car did seem to not have the lag, it normally does... I will say the auto mpg estimator on the car was showing a higher avg in mpg... since i've owned the car i've averaged right about 30mpg, ( best was 32mpg ) , and on the trip home my it was above 32mpg.... Now i know people have said you need to run a few tanks of 0 ethanol thru your car before you really see the difference...
What about the time you were sitting idle waiting for the construction escort?
Sorry- I don’t know anything about ethanol or cars- would have liked a fast paced debrief bout what was happening concerning mechanics bc I love long drives and would like to better understand what kind of car I need for mountain voyages! Thank you for the upload!!!
My 2016 corolla got 28.1mpg on average with regular 87, now with Rec90 I'm getting 31.1mpg, I did the same experiment with my 2007 Explorer 4.6 V8 and I went from 13.4mpg to 14.8mpg. Curiously the Corolla idles smoother and has more low end torque while on the hwy, meanwhile the Explorer just seems to idle abit smoother with no noticeable power gains.
verdict: for smoother idle, about 10% better mpg and slightly more useable torque on smaller engines for $0.42 more per gallon is not a bad deal at all.
So if i run full tank of non-ethanol in my car, will that be like a fuel injection cleaning ?
No
Pointless, the guy don't have a clue how to figure fuel mileage,, you don't do it by the fuel gauge. Total waste of time to watch this unless you want to know how much the guy likes his truck!
Wow, "not cheap" he said... Speeking to you from oil-producing country of Norway, where 1 liter petrol costs around 15-17 NOK these days. That translates to around $7 pr gallon. Diesel is a little cheaper here, around 13-15 NOK..
Som 15-20 years ago, we had about half the price we currently have on diesel and petrol..
Some years ago we had a E85 pump in my town. I drove many different cars, normally used to fill up to about 30-50% E85 and the rest petrol. A couple of cars ran with almost 100% E85. Power was the same, but consumption was increased by up to 30% I believe it was when on 100% E85. Reason is simple, ethanol has less energy than petrol.
When I use ethanol-free gasoline my mileage and performance go up almost immediately.
I only use 93 ethanol free in my string trimmer and chainsaw mixtures. I also keep it in my generator with stabilizer for long periods. In the generator, I always shut off the fuel and let the engine burn what's in the carb. Otherwise, I use 87 regular in my vehicles and it runs just fine.
I've run both gas and diesel with and without ethanol. It's usually 20% cheaper for the E-15 and both the car and the F-250 get about 20% lower MPG. And for those who don't know it, the mixtures of each are different in summer and winter. They remove some of the additives during summer season. So, you are probably going to get 10-20% lower mileage in the winter vs. summer. They like to keep you guessing.
Bought a new Mitzy car in 06. Did measure tests over 600km into the country and back. Same loading both ways. Getting 6 litres/100km plain unleaded, 8 L/100km ethenol. City driving, 11- 14lt/100km ethenol, 8 unleaded. 91 octane used here.
Years ago, when I began noticing that my mileage was down some after using E-10 regular gasoline, I decided to try ethanol-free gasoline. And what a difference it made! I did calculations, and I was getting about 7 more mpg with the ethanol-free gasoline. From then on, I always use ethanol-free gasoline.
My 2004 GMC Sierra k-2500hd gets 10.6 mpg whether i am mountain driving, city driving or on interstate. even
with a loaded car trailer @ 6500 lbs. It has the high output 6.0 liter engine. Even though it is a pig, I still love
it. It just turned 78,000 miles
I mostly ride motorcycles when the weather is good. but I have a full size pickup and I just try to make sure that it's mostly non-ethanol the tank with a little stable if it's going to sit for very long
I drive in the rockies around SLC UT. My drive is highly regular due to the nature of taking a son to work, picking him up etc. Once a week I have a short highway run of 45 miles, which often ends up in stop and go at the south end of SL county. My 2013 Accord with the 1st year CVT holds 17.2 USG. I do 5 tanks of E10, then 5 tanks of no-ethanol. Miles driven varies a few, so I only look at the actual miles/USG driven. I fill up at exactly the same pump, facing the same way etc. I get about .4-.7 mpg better with the no-ethanol than with the E10. And that's right around 650 miles a tank, 16+ USG almost all the time. (690 on an all highwy run is my highest ever - 43mpg) ... I fill the tank about every 8 days. My car is now about 130k miles.
In the winter when it's 20F or lower, I drop about 2-3 mpg regardless of fuel type. MPG during reasonable weather is always 39.4-40.5. Occaisionally I'll get a tank where I end up wtih a 41-42 if more of the miles are open highway, or high 38 if there was a lot of highway stoppages etc... and we get those on I-15 around Lehi (which is where the original dance scene from the 80's Footloose was filmed...)
E10 has about 95-97% of the energy of full gas if you do the portions math, and that's pretty tightly reflected in my actual MPG results. Don't forget that 10% is noted as up-to in most places, NTBE...
The one difference I can feel is from start to about 20, it's a bit smoother using the no-ethanol gas. Otherwise, I can't tell the difference in performance. Here in UT, you may or may not be getting Tier 3 gas yet due to small refinery exemptions which are getting trimmed down in 2019 and 2020 for the larger refineries. The smallest one actually provides it now but is only one supplier to several places like Costco and Smiths' (a Kroger).
Towing and trucks, the minor energy different you might feel more fully.
Don't store large volumes of E*, you'll get issues with alcohol degradation.
Just my measured experience, (I have an engineering degree - look at this stuff for fun. lol)
In the 90’s I owned several 1986 Mazda B2000 trucks and they ran horribly if I put any ethanol gasoline in them. I also had a lawn service and the ethanol in the gasoline was causing problems with the carburetors in my lawn equipment. Finally The Minnesota Street Rod Association got the Mn legislature to allow premium ethanol free gas. Except it usually costs $1.00 more per gallon than regular 87 octane.
I've been using E85 here in michigan for 8 years with 0 issues! I converted my 01 dodge ram, my 1997 dodge neon street car, a few neon racecars and my 08 Avenger. All run amazing and I've won countless races in my neon. I leave it sit all winter in my tank and in the spring it fires up like nothing happened. Just my experience 👍
Best part is I keep my money in the USA, not making the sand jammers richer
I have a 91 civic in the same condition as your truck. When I bought it it had 36,000 miles on it now it's 77.
Curious what would happen if you hooked a tuner up to the truck and added octane booster to it. Coz that's where I'm at.....why? Because you can't store long term ethanol. You can ethanol free in a Jerry can with fuel stabilizer. Something to think about as we approach the green new deal
In TN most of our ethanol free is 90 octane. maybe the lower octane rating didn't provide as much a boost without ethanol VA with.
Ethanol is added to gasoline to lower carbon emissions. The tradeoff is that it causes the gas to “age” by slowly absorbing water moisture out of any air it’s exposed to (in a storage container, in your fuel tank). When this water content in the gasoline gets high enough, I believe what happens is that not enough of it will bind with the ethanol and thus may be free to cause other damage, such as rust/corrosion in the fuel tank or along the fuel system. And since liquid water is incompressible (relative to fuel/air anyway), too high a water content can be bad for the compression stroke.
Ethanol-free gas shouldn’t absorb water moisture from the air (or should do so much less slowly), so it “ages” slower and thus its primary benefit should be if you want to store fuel for longer than the typical ~90d you get from ordinary ethanol blends.
If I wanted to store gasoline (say for disaster prep/readiness purposes), I’d prefer e-free gas perhaps with fuel stabilizer, over ordinary gas + stabilizer.
12 mpg? Check vacuum lines on the tbi.
We call it Rec90 (90 octane) here in south Florida and it gives me solidly 15% better fuel economy. I have done many tests with it in my 383 stroker Chevy Tahoe. It's a 10:1 motor with Vortec injectors from a Vette and long tube headers into turbo mufflers with 2 1/2 pipes. It's a tad over 400 hp with 450 lbs of torque. With 87 unleaded it gets a little under 10 mpg with 93 it gets right at 10. But with MTMB (this is the octane booster ethanol replaced) Rec90 it consistently gets 11.5. I've also turned my best 1/4 time with the Rec90 of 14.2@98mph. With the 87 it's a pig, a big mean sow but the Rec fuel makes it a mean ass boar.
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Do you remember after the hurricane last year when some suppliers snuck in some E-85 gas and sold it to us poor desperate south Florida people and all the subsequent havoc that created with our chain saws, generators, etc? Been using REC-90 in everything except the daily driver car and truck ever since. It's criminal that Ethanol gas was forced upon us as most of our engines were never designed to run on that stuff. Run time per tankful and sudden hot starting issues on my generator are what keyed me onto the E-85 sneaky-pete switcheroo.
I agree with you...I got a 2014 Mustang with Coyote engine and 420 HP... I living in Miami Fla.and I start use Rec fuel 2 months ago...my car running smoother,it feel with more power and give me a 2 mpg on my daily drive with a/c...doing maths at the end is cheaper than a premium with ethanol...
I use non ethanol gas in my small equipment such as lawn mower and generator. I also use it in my 81 firebird. My daily driver gets regular e10 gas.
I religiously use ethanol free gas, however the octane is 91 where I live. Compared to regular 87 ethanol gas I've noticed better gas mileage, approximately 25% better. I've heard octane ratings don't matter unless you have a high performance vehicle so it's difficult to say if it's the higher octane, ethanol free status or perhaps a combination of the two that ultimately gives me the better mileage.
My 2012 Honda Accord consistently can go right up to 500 miles of highway driving on non ethanol gas before being on E. When i use reg ethanol 10% gas i typically can go about 460 miles before being on E. When i have used 10% ethanol gas in lawnmowers at the end of a season it is a pain to get going the next spring. However , when i use non ethanol gas at the end of a season the mowers start right up the next spring
The biggest problem with ethanol is that we are using farm land to raise corn to produce moonshine to mix with gasoline instead of raising crops to feed people. Many of us probably remember when the USA was the breadbasket of the world. Not anymore. Take a look in your grocery store and see how many fruits, vegetables and meats are imported.
I have a tiny little econobox that's really stressed out running on our 80MPH freeways. On 10% ethanol fuel I always got 30% worse fuel economy than the EPA numbers. On ethanol free, I get that 30% back and match what the EPA says the car should get. It may be that it makes less of a difference on big, low stress engines?
So I appreciate the content, and your experiment did basically answer the question of gas mileage with ethanol-free (EF) fuels with a few caveats:
1. I have not seen (nor have I really looked) claims that EF gas gives better MPG mileage, this is not the point of this type of fuel.
2. Your load to the dump likely did skew the numbers a bit. You mentioned a 2,000 lbs load, but I'm not sure you added the weight of the trailer as well? This will change MPG, especially when doing a one-tank test.
3. When you filled your tank with EF, you had residual fuel in it. From a little research on your gas tank, I estimate that you had about 10% - 15% of the previous furl remaining when adding the EF. This will also change the end data points.
4. A better way to have done this would have been to fill it with EF like you did, run it out leaving just a gallon or so in it then fill again with EF and run your numbers, without adding the sidetrack of a loaded trailer. This would have been much more accurate, but likely giving similar results of about 1-2 MPG variance I would assume.
Points to consider:
1. EF fuels work better at not gumming up carburetors and fuel injection systems, especially on small engines and motors that are not used frequently.
2. The real benefit of EF fuel is when storing small engines like chainsaws, lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc for long periods. This fuel along with a stabilizer will prevent problems in the future after long storage periods, assuming this fuel has been run through it for several minutes prior to storage, etc.
Good video though, it really got me thinking about htis. Thanks for posting this.
Ran entire tank to Idaho from Washington on E10 getting 24.1 mpg average in a 2019 Toyota Highlander, and 26.1 mpg back from trip with no ethanol gas @ 80mph. Not sure if elevation change had effect going opposite directions.
Amazing that they charge more for gas that needs less processing and is better for combustible engines and delivers better performance.
My test showed E85 drove 300 miles and when finished I fueled 93 gas 400 miles. Same power I think. I didn't see difference.