Well done here. I actually applauded when they realized at once that the lure plan hadn't worked and they IMMEDIATELY adapted their strategy; too many teams have thrown away any chance by sticking to a worthless plan. I think this one was a bit harsh though, unlike the Battle of Telamon episode, they didn't even get a chance to discover the enemy reinforcements behind them and they lost too much of their advantage for what was really only a single minor mistake.
The Egyptian Infantry were much heavier(axes are much more potent in CQB than spears) and they also had Spears of their own.You pin the Hittite Infantry into a spear deadlock,then run the axement around their flanks to break down the columns. How would you deal with Chariots? Position the Egyptian Spearmen in a square formation quickly and then form up the phalanx,while archers in the center pick them off.
With one real leader with no real idea what to do, this is going to be very messy. They're making the same mistake as Mutwallis-they're giving the Egyptians time and room to fight back. Mutwallis was smart enough to charge his chariots at the right time to devastate the Egyptian army, but the team isn't making his mistake of holding the infantry back.
Wow, THIS is evil! Why the heck did the second Egyptian army come up from their rear? They are on the right side of the river, all of Ramesses forces should be on the left side. The position of the Hittites and Ra division as the the marching columns they had to smash in were historically accurate so far. But if the reinforcement troop was Ramesses' own Amun division it should have come from their encampment in the north of the battlefield. If it had been the Amurru mercenaries they should have come from the north-west. If it had been Ptah division (which historically arrived at the very end of the battle and didn't see much of the fighting) it should have come from the south-west. So why the heck are Egyptian troops coming from the East? This is Hittite core territory! Moving the direction of the enemy reinforcements just to sandwich the team is a really dark move! With all the Egyptions to the west, it would have been difficult enough already. I'm also a little bit irritated why they didn't throw them the boon of Ra division's chariots falling into their trap. They gave the morons of Tigranocerta the boon of successfully 'startling' the Roman army by letting them run circles just because they were attacked by two archer units. And this is Ra division, which historically wasn't commanded by Ramesses and whose officers abandoned it the moment the Hittite chariots began their surprise attack. Without any command structure left it would have been entirely possible for some overeager charioteers to fall for the trick thinking that they're chasing off the Hittites. This is a good team, even though the pupils lack confidence. By all means, they shouldn't have made the battle more difficult than it already was historically.
I'm confused. I've always understood that the P-tah division did indeed catch the Hittite chariots in the rear, whilst the Seti division arrived from the coast to the west. This is broadly accurate. That said, maybe it's the layout of this map and the fact that here the Hittites do have infantry (unlike on the real battlefield) that confuses things.
Yes they did, but at that point the battle was fought at an entirely different place. This is the picture I've got from the sources: 1. The Hittite chariot force sets over the river and completely obliterates Ra division in a surprise attack. 2. Without waiting for the infantry support to set over they chased down the fleeing survivors northwards towards the camp of Amun division which is commanded by Ramesses himself. 3. Ramesses forms a shield wall around his camp, but it gets smashed in and chaos breaks out. In the confusion Ramesses regroups Amun division's chariots and survivors of Ra division and counter-attacks when the Hittites started looting the camp, effectively driving them back out into the plains. 4. At that point Ptah division arrives from the south. The Hittites are then surrounded by Ramesses and Amun division from the north-west and Ptah division from the south-west, with the river to the east. Under hard pressure and conditions very unsuitable for chariot fighting, the Hittites abandon their vehicles and try their luck swimming across the river. 5. During this entire engagement, the Hittite infantry force was sitting east of the river without seeing any battle whatsoever. Ramesses realizes that he can't siege the city with the devastating losses to Amun and Ra division and retreats, having technically won the battle, but lost any hope to further hold the position against the remaining Hittite forces. That's why I say it is absurd that Egyptian reinforcements came form the EAST of all things. The layout of the battlefield with its starting positions were fine as it is to portray the attack on Ra division.
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Well done here. I actually applauded when they realized at once that the lure plan hadn't worked and they IMMEDIATELY adapted their strategy; too many teams have thrown away any chance by sticking to a worthless plan. I think this one was a bit harsh though, unlike the Battle of Telamon episode, they didn't even get a chance to discover the enemy reinforcements behind them and they lost too much of their advantage for what was really only a single minor mistake.
"They are stopping. What a dirty trick!"
By God, seems like that Rameses II., one of the greatest pharaohs of all time is not a complete moron! XD
Ramses was grossly overrated.
(I know I'm replying to a 5 year old comment.)
lol that 16 year old almost said " Wtf! " on TV lol
1:40 never expect what your enemy is gonna do he will always surprise you
Camon kick some ass wild you at control. Lol lol lol
The Egyptian Infantry were much heavier(axes are much more potent in CQB than spears) and they also had Spears of their own.You pin the Hittite Infantry into a spear deadlock,then run the axement around their flanks to break down the columns.
How would you deal with Chariots?
Position the Egyptian Spearmen in a square formation quickly and then form up the phalanx,while archers in the center pick them off.
and seeing that your post is a year old, probably 22 now ! :D
lol, almost dropping the F and S bomb.
@Tareltonlives which is what he basically said
With one real leader with no real idea what to do, this is going to be very messy. They're making the same mistake as Mutwallis-they're giving the Egyptians time and room to fight back. Mutwallis was smart enough to charge his chariots at the right time to devastate the Egyptian army, but the team isn't making his mistake of holding the infantry back.
@AdamL1992 Her problem was that she was just enslaved to her teacher.
Wow, THIS is evil! Why the heck did the second Egyptian army come up from their rear? They are on the right side of the river, all of Ramesses forces should be on the left side. The position of the Hittites and Ra division as the the marching columns they had to smash in were historically accurate so far. But if the reinforcement troop was Ramesses' own Amun division it should have come from their encampment in the north of the battlefield. If it had been the Amurru mercenaries they should have come from the north-west. If it had been Ptah division (which historically arrived at the very end of the battle and didn't see much of the fighting) it should have come from the south-west. So why the heck are Egyptian troops coming from the East? This is Hittite core territory! Moving the direction of the enemy reinforcements just to sandwich the team is a really dark move! With all the Egyptions to the west, it would have been difficult enough already.
I'm also a little bit irritated why they didn't throw them the boon of Ra division's chariots falling into their trap. They gave the morons of Tigranocerta the boon of successfully 'startling' the Roman army by letting them run circles just because they were attacked by two archer units. And this is Ra division, which historically wasn't commanded by Ramesses and whose officers abandoned it the moment the Hittite chariots began their surprise attack. Without any command structure left it would have been entirely possible for some overeager charioteers to fall for the trick thinking that they're chasing off the Hittites.
This is a good team, even though the pupils lack confidence. By all means, they shouldn't have made the battle more difficult than it already was historically.
I'm confused. I've always understood that the P-tah division did indeed catch the Hittite chariots in the rear, whilst the Seti division arrived from the coast to the west. This is broadly accurate. That said, maybe it's the layout of this map and the fact that here the Hittites do have infantry (unlike on the real battlefield) that confuses things.
Yes they did, but at that point the battle was fought at an entirely different place. This is the picture I've got from the sources:
1. The Hittite chariot force sets over the river and completely obliterates Ra division in a surprise attack.
2. Without waiting for the infantry support to set over they chased down the fleeing survivors northwards towards the camp of Amun division which is commanded by Ramesses himself.
3. Ramesses forms a shield wall around his camp, but it gets smashed in and chaos breaks out. In the confusion Ramesses regroups Amun division's chariots and survivors of Ra division and counter-attacks when the Hittites started looting the camp, effectively driving them back out into the plains.
4. At that point Ptah division arrives from the south. The Hittites are then surrounded by Ramesses and Amun division from the north-west and Ptah division from the south-west, with the river to the east. Under hard pressure and conditions very unsuitable for chariot fighting, the Hittites abandon their vehicles and try their luck swimming across the river.
5. During this entire engagement, the Hittite infantry force was sitting east of the river without seeing any battle whatsoever. Ramesses realizes that he can't siege the city with the devastating losses to Amun and Ra division and retreats, having technically won the battle, but lost any hope to further hold the position against the remaining Hittite forces.
That's why I say it is absurd that Egyptian reinforcements came form the EAST of all things. The layout of the battlefield with its starting positions were fine as it is to portray the attack on Ra division.
go bish