Currently, Twitch only supports AVC at ~8000Kbps. In this scenario, Nvidia's GPUs would provide a slightly better video quality. Soon though, HEVC and AV1 should become available to the public, as well as higher bitrates. When that happens, all modern GPUs will be able to provide that great a video, where it won't matter what brand you use. If one's streaming on RUclips, this is already the case, as RUclips already supports HEVC and AV1, as well as higher bitrates than Twitch. So, all one has to do, is target a resolution based on their available upstream bandwidth and GPU horsepower (e.g. 22500Kbps for 1440p with HEVC) and go for it. This is coming from someone who has spent a great deal of time figuring things out. Streaming is relatively easy now, compared to what it was a decade ago.
P.S. Upscale! Streaming at a higher resolution on RUclips allows you to use more bitrate. So, even if, let's say, you've got a 1080p monitor and are playing at that resolution, you can set software like OBS to upscale that image to something like 1440p or even 4K. Upscaling + using more bitrate allows you to have less blocky artifacts, so overall, I think it's worth it.
Hello, need a little advice for the future, i want to start streaming, i'm going to buy a gpu and I wanted a 4070 super or a 7900gre, but I prefer the rtx because of the streaming part but you're telling AMD and Nvidia going to be the same soon ? So I dont know which one now xD
@@SoftFlyFR That's correct. The difference is negligible and will soon be nothing. I don't remember which of these two cards you mentioned is the better performer in games (aside from Ray Tracing. Nvidia is ahead in that department, but not everyone cares about it), but you'll have to look at what software you're interested in using too, and check benchmarks between the cards + compatibility. Just don't be scared to go with AMD, would be my advice. For example, a year ago I got an RTX 3060 and an RX 6700 XT for roughly the same price. The 6700 XT performs about 33% faster. Can't beat that value.
So done with the nvidia fanboy nvenc hype. I stream with my 7800XT and got lost in all the information. Just compared my x264 veryfast/fast footage to my amd h264 settings and its litteraly pixelpeeping difference. Thanks for this video men !
I have streamed Half-Life Alyx from my RX 6900 XT to Quest 3 H264+@940Mbps over USB3 3.5Gbps connection. There was no latency, 90fps refresh rate @native headset resolution, sharp graphics when I was moving my head-around. Waiting for my WiFi 6e router to come (5.4Gbps) to see if I can stream 500Mbps H264+ using Virtual Desktop and see what the IQ is like. As far as encoding goes the card could cope with encoding 940 Mbps@90 fps and output high IQ level...I'm into my photography/cinematography so understand IQ - grading, black-levels contrast, sharpening, bit depth 8/10/12 bits per pixel, dithering, contrast. I like the Quest 3, it may not have local dimming, or quantum dot LCD but it does have a sharpness, not fuzzy. They should make a Quest 3 Super Pro with QLED/Micro LED local dimming and an Ultra with Micro OLED headset...
I’m happy you used rust as an example since that’s what I stream, my question is my stream is great quality but it eats up my vram an it affects my frames drastically in game. What can I do so all my 20g vram doesn’t get eaten up?
@hopsaTV I'd definitely plan to do it. It's on my list of things to do. I'm working on a lot of stuff. Is there anything you would like to see when in the video.
The only thing i found Nvidia Better at was 3d Rendering in Blender and Ray Tracing, Other than that id prefer an AMD Card is best in terms of price to performance.
Tell me about it. I got an RX 6700 XT and an RTX 3060 some time ago, and even though I payed relatively the same price for each card, the 6700 XT gives me about 1/3 more performance than the 3060. I've also had a better experience in real-time upscaling in OBS with it, which was a letdown in regards to the Nvidia card.
My brother does a ton of coding and training models so I understand where you're coming from. He prefer Nvidia since they have more support and stability for those kind of tasks
You just need a Ryzen 9 3900X to have a good quality for streaming and gaming, you don't need a lot of processor. Also, a 5800x is good enough. Using the "Medium" preset for the x264 is overkill, now that twitch allows to stream up to 8000 Kbps, "faster" or "fast" are very good presets. If you stream on Kick or RUclips, you can use better encoders that will generate a so much better quality video at 6000 Kbps with that card. I still don't know why Twitch is delaying the adoption of AV1 so much.
Im new to all of this (Streaming and Recording) i currently have 2 all amd builds. My first ever pc was a ryzen 7 5700G Rx 6700XT. And my newest build that I currently have that i built is a 7800X3D and a 7900XTX. My question is that i don't want my first pc to just collect dust and was wondering if you've ever heard or known someone who has a dual pc setup that is strictly ALL AMD?
@RyanPerry-e7v if you use both pcs in a duel pc setup, you'll be good. I haven't tested an all amd setup, but you might want to use your 7900xtx for video encoding the stream since they have a dedicated video encoder. I have not tested their new encoder yet, but I plan to later. If you want more fps than use 7900xtx for gaming pc. The 6700xt will still be good, but it will have a tiny bit of noise from my testing.
So i have a r7 2700x and rtx 2070. I was looking to upgrade and really debating what i should get for a gpu. This winter i can getting at r9 5900x. But im stuck between getting a 7800x, 3080, 4070, or wait till 5th gen to drop and find a used 4080. I dont play ray tracing games. I do make content for ytube. So recording encording and good gameplay is a must. Anyone got good advice? Thanks g's
@yp1gaming 5900x is great cpu. I'm planning to get to 5950x since their 5000 cpu series are amazing. If you do RUclips, then I would recommend nvidia, either 3080, from the third hand market or a new 4070 12gb since there is a great price to proformence. Hopefully, we get the 5000 series from nvidia soon.
If you're on a budget, go for something like an R5 5600, and put the rest of your money on the GPU. That's the best way to maximize your price/performance ratio. If you can afford a little more, check for deals on the new platforms and get what you deem best. You don't need high end CPUs to get most jobs done, and done well at that.
5600 is good but since he is doing RUclips and will be doing video editing. That's why I recommend 5900 since it's great for multitasking. If he had a dual pc setup then I would do as you said a 5600 and 3060 12GB or 1660 from the third hand market.
@TechGrant yeah I have a x470 mobo and it supposts up to 5th gen ryzen. So ima get the 5900x it's only like $220 that is dirt cheap for a good cpu. For gpu. Idk yet mine still works and I might wait to get a rtx 4k series after 5th drops so I same money.
This is not the experience of people who actually own these cards. Yes the 6000 series does have slightly worst encoding tan nvidia, but we aren't on the 6000 series anymore we're on the 7000. 7000 series has AV1 capability and the difference between AMD and nvidia at that point is basically nothing. Also watch the rest of video he says it was okay, so even on the 6000 series it doesn't really matter much.
Currently, Twitch only supports AVC at ~8000Kbps. In this scenario, Nvidia's GPUs would provide a slightly better video quality. Soon though, HEVC and AV1 should become available to the public, as well as higher bitrates. When that happens, all modern GPUs will be able to provide that great a video, where it won't matter what brand you use. If one's streaming on RUclips, this is already the case, as RUclips already supports HEVC and AV1, as well as higher bitrates than Twitch. So, all one has to do, is target a resolution based on their available upstream bandwidth and GPU horsepower (e.g. 22500Kbps for 1440p with HEVC) and go for it.
This is coming from someone who has spent a great deal of time figuring things out. Streaming is relatively easy now, compared to what it was a decade ago.
P.S. Upscale! Streaming at a higher resolution on RUclips allows you to use more bitrate. So, even if, let's say, you've got a 1080p monitor and are playing at that resolution, you can set software like OBS to upscale that image to something like 1440p or even 4K. Upscaling + using more bitrate allows you to have less blocky artifacts, so overall, I think it's worth it.
Hello, need a little advice for the future, i want to start streaming, i'm going to buy a gpu and I wanted a 4070 super or a 7900gre, but I prefer the rtx because of the streaming part but you're telling AMD and Nvidia going to be the same soon ? So I dont know which one now xD
@@SoftFlyFR That's correct. The difference is negligible and will soon be nothing.
I don't remember which of these two cards you mentioned is the better performer in games (aside from Ray Tracing. Nvidia is ahead in that department, but not everyone cares about it), but you'll have to look at what software you're interested in using too, and check benchmarks between the cards + compatibility. Just don't be scared to go with AMD, would be my advice.
For example, a year ago I got an RTX 3060 and an RX 6700 XT for roughly the same price. The 6700 XT performs about 33% faster. Can't beat that value.
@@Woodnsus I'm currently using an RX6800 and streaming at 1080p on youtube with HEVC. How do you upscale your streams on OBS?
@@AbyShift There's an option to rescale the image on the streaming settings. Just input the resolution you want to upscale to.
Going to need to try a mid or high end AMD Card or a 7000 series with AV1
So done with the nvidia fanboy nvenc hype. I stream with my 7800XT and got lost in all the information. Just compared my x264 veryfast/fast footage to my amd h264 settings and its litteraly pixelpeeping difference. Thanks for this video men !
Did you try AV1?
I have streamed Half-Life Alyx from my RX 6900 XT to Quest 3 H264+@940Mbps over USB3 3.5Gbps connection. There was no latency, 90fps refresh rate @native headset resolution, sharp graphics when I was moving my head-around. Waiting for my WiFi 6e router to come (5.4Gbps) to see if I can stream 500Mbps H264+ using Virtual Desktop and see what the IQ is like. As far as encoding goes the card could cope with encoding 940 Mbps@90 fps and output high IQ level...I'm into my photography/cinematography so understand IQ - grading, black-levels contrast, sharpening, bit depth 8/10/12 bits per pixel, dithering, contrast. I like the Quest 3, it may not have local dimming, or quantum dot LCD but it does have a sharpness, not fuzzy. They should make a Quest 3 Super Pro with QLED/Micro LED local dimming and an Ultra with Micro OLED headset...
I’m happy you used rust as an example since that’s what I stream, my question is my stream is great quality but it eats up my vram an it affects my frames drastically in game. What can I do so all my 20g vram doesn’t get eaten up?
Hi Tech Grant, are you going to make a guide to make a dual stream setup guide?
@hopsaTV I'd definitely plan to do it. It's on my list of things to do. I'm working on a lot of stuff. Is there anything you would like to see when in the video.
The only thing i found Nvidia Better at was 3d Rendering in Blender and Ray Tracing, Other than that id prefer an AMD Card is best in terms of price to performance.
Tell me about it. I got an RX 6700 XT and an RTX 3060 some time ago, and even though I payed relatively the same price for each card, the 6700 XT gives me about 1/3 more performance than the 3060. I've also had a better experience in real-time upscaling in OBS with it, which was a letdown in regards to the Nvidia card.
@@Woodnsus Kindly Read the whole comment and then reply , i am rooting for the same team which is AMD -.-
@@andgoedu I don't understand the point of this comment. I was just sharing my similar experience.
@@Woodnsus i dont have to explain anything to you i dont care about your experience 👍
My brother does a ton of coding and training models so I understand where you're coming from. He prefer Nvidia since they have more support and stability for those kind of tasks
You just need a Ryzen 9 3900X to have a good quality for streaming and gaming, you don't need a lot of processor. Also, a 5800x is good enough. Using the "Medium" preset for the x264 is overkill, now that twitch allows to stream up to 8000 Kbps, "faster" or "fast" are very good presets. If you stream on Kick or RUclips, you can use better encoders that will generate a so much better quality video at 6000 Kbps with that card. I still don't know why Twitch is delaying the adoption of AV1 so much.
Pretty sure twitch and NVIDIA and don’t know who else have a deal together so that’s probably why
Im new to all of this (Streaming and Recording) i currently have 2 all amd builds. My first ever pc was a ryzen 7 5700G Rx 6700XT. And my newest build that I currently have that i built is a 7800X3D and a 7900XTX. My question is that i don't want my first pc to just collect dust and was wondering if you've ever heard or known someone who has a dual pc setup that is strictly ALL AMD?
@RyanPerry-e7v if you use both pcs in a duel pc setup, you'll be good. I haven't tested an all amd setup, but you might want to use your 7900xtx for video encoding the stream since they have a dedicated video encoder. I have not tested their new encoder yet, but I plan to later. If you want more fps than use 7900xtx for gaming pc. The 6700xt will still be good, but it will have a tiny bit of noise from my testing.
@@TechGrant Okay! Thanks! My plan was to have my newer build(7900XTX) be just for gaming and my older (6700XT) to be my streaming/recording.
What could be the best settings for 20mbit/s upload speed and RX 7800 XT? I am so lost.
megabit or megabyte, 20mbits you need to upgrade the internet
@Dextios Mbit
H264 is so old, no wonder it still looks bad. AV1 and HEVC should help.
6650 xt and a ryzen 3 am I cooked from streaming?
isn't CPU very important too? maybe try going at least ryzen 5
15000 is the safe spot
So i have a r7 2700x and rtx 2070. I was looking to upgrade and really debating what i should get for a gpu. This winter i can getting at r9 5900x. But im stuck between getting a 7800x, 3080, 4070, or wait till 5th gen to drop and find a used 4080. I dont play ray tracing games. I do make content for ytube. So recording encording and good gameplay is a must. Anyone got good advice? Thanks g's
@yp1gaming 5900x is great cpu. I'm planning to get to 5950x since their 5000 cpu series are amazing. If you do RUclips, then I would recommend nvidia, either 3080, from the third hand market or a new 4070 12gb since there is a great price to proformence. Hopefully, we get the 5000 series from nvidia soon.
@@TechGrant thanks this helped me a lot.
If you're on a budget, go for something like an R5 5600, and put the rest of your money on the GPU. That's the best way to maximize your price/performance ratio. If you can afford a little more, check for deals on the new platforms and get what you deem best. You don't need high end CPUs to get most jobs done, and done well at that.
5600 is good but since he is doing RUclips and will be doing video editing. That's why I recommend 5900 since it's great for multitasking. If he had a dual pc setup then I would do as you said a 5600 and 3060 12GB or 1660 from the third hand market.
@TechGrant yeah I have a x470 mobo and it supposts up to 5th gen ryzen. So ima get the 5900x it's only like $220 that is dirt cheap for a good cpu. For gpu. Idk yet mine still works and I might wait to get a rtx 4k series after 5th drops so I same money.
Short answer: NO.
I don't think you watched he said it was fine
This is not the experience of people who actually own these cards. Yes the 6000 series does have slightly worst encoding tan nvidia, but we aren't on the 6000 series anymore we're on the 7000. 7000 series has AV1 capability and the difference between AMD and nvidia at that point is basically nothing.
Also watch the rest of video he says it was okay, so even on the 6000 series it doesn't really matter much.
There was a old issue that no longer exists they are fine and just as stable as nvidia in drivers and support.
@@mcsavory9987Yea I got 7800xt and I'm streaming fine on 1440p on RUclips
forget the quality playing the game is useless while streaming on and. have a 6700 and it feels horrible when i stream and game