@beeqool you probably know by now, but an electric motor eliminates the need for gears. The brushless electric motor provides energy through the use of magnets if I am not mistaken.
i know right most motorcyclists love the unique sound each bike puts out. nothing better sounding to me than an zx6 with an aftermarket exhaust the sound of the engine is like a rhythm between the rider and the bike it's a bond. a quiet bike isn't a bike idc what anyone says
Nice review, I was impressed with the battery, 2.5hr to charge is nothing, but the bit where you pulled on the front brake lever looked weird, as if nothing was connected to it! Maybe a bit of adjustment to make it tighter would help?
One thing they don't tell you, is that the battery costs you about $9k out of the $14k, and after 1 year of doing about 10k miles, you can only still get about 80% of battery life out of it (est.). After 2 years, the battery contains only 50% of it's initial capacity, which cuts it's ~60Miles range, down to thirty miles; that's fifteen miles to and back! At that range, the battery is pretty much useless for anything other than going to a pub or supermarket in the next village or town... Spending $9k every 2 to 4 years (for less intensive riders), is way more than what I pay on gasoline and oil changes per year on my bike. Even with a big bike, at 10k miles a year, and $4 a gal, and 40MPG, you'd pay $1000 per 10k miles, or $1 every 10 miles. Add oil changes to it (half a gal every 3k miles), and you're at about $1100 per year or two. Add minor maintenance to it, like chain, brakes, tires, filters, and valve adjustment, and you're still well under $2k per 10k miles! Even when you get 50% off of the price of a new battery when you would bring in the old one, you'd still be paying more than a gasoline bike. Nay, electric bikes are not a good alternative for the longer rides. I ride 150-200 miles per week, with an occasional 300 mile ride, and this bike is nothing for me!
Your first point is absolute rubbish mate. Check the stats on Zero batteries - they're built to outlast the bike. Several hundred thousand miles before they drop to 80%.
Yeah, I heard it before! I had a LiFePo4 battery powered moped before, and it was supposed to have a 4 year half life. I hit half life on it in 1,5 years time, and only 2,6k miles (at 26mph top speed, that's a lot of riding). The numbers are in best conditions, not including failing cells. One cell fails, and it takes down more than just the energy capacity of that one cell! It takes down a row of cells (usually 3 or 4 cells at once). Rubbish? No sir!
4.4 KW hours storage. This means to recharge it entirely, here in Quebec Canada, it would cost about 24 pennies. 24 pennies, to travel 100 miles. My jaw. The floor.
Electric vehicles are always greener than gas vehicles (even with coal power plant electricity) because the power plant is much more efficient in producing energy than your typical gas vehicle. E vehicles will only get greener as new energy technologies produce electricity more cleanly - see LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors
Chances are, you're charging your e-bike with electricity from coal or gas burning power plants with a bit of green energy mixed in. Doesn't sound so clean now, does it? Emissions are emissions, the difference is that one is local and the other one at the power plant. It would be a different story if the electricity came from hydro/wind/solar only. I'm not arguing its total environmental impact performance is worse than burning petrol however.
***** Like I said: "I'm not arguing its total environmental impact performance is worse than burning petrol however." :) I'm aware of the pollution by cars. Besides, NOx and SO2 emissions, particulate matter that is respirable is of particular concern. Now, I'm going to take an extreme example, such as China. If (hypothetical) China were to electrify her cars, she would heavily reduce her reliance on imported petrol. The electricity required to power the electric cars/bikes is then going to require the construction of even more coal power plants! That means more smog, counteracting the avoided emissions of the cars. Same goes in other places in the world, particular where coal is heavily relied on for electricity. Consider also the environmental impact of the life cycle of the batteries (from resource extraction for lithium e.g., till the waste phase). What I want you to realize is that a lot of energy goes into moving those steel cages on the roads. The combined energy to move all vehicles in the world is a huge amount and is precisely the reason they're so polluting as it uses tons of fossil fuels. Just like the power plants will have to use extra fossil fuels to provide the electricity to the batteries. You're not offering any true solution to the pollution problem, if the primary energy for your vehicle still mainly comes from burning fossil fuels. So people shouldn't pretend that their electric vehicle is saving the planet or saying it's clean, since most of them are just simply adding extra burden to the local power plant that is burning natural gas/coal. That still doesn't change the fact that I want this bike very badly!
Congratulations! Now, installing enough hydro electric dams to help the large rest of the world population isn't in the realm of possibility, unfortunately...
but think about how adaptable electric vehicles are. most people dont have solar, but if they do, free charging. But on the subject of non solar, yeah right now we burn coal for electricity and transmitting that a far distance may be inefficient. But when the power plants change form to things like solar and nuclear (controversial i know, just an example) the vehicle is already there along with it. From the article in decription: over over 65,000 miles "The average motorcycle emits...23,000 pounds of CO2." "Zero will be responsible for about 7,646 pounds of atmospheric CO2 emissions"
shiroineko13 most of the lithium in the batteries can be recycled after its lifespan, so do the copper parts and the rare earth magnets. Furthermore, do you know that by not using petrol, you cut the environmental cost of refining crude oil and the electricity of keeping the refinery running. It is not just shifting the pollution to the power station but it is cutting out an entire process, that is unnecessary. From what your saying, your stand is that we should not even be investing in electric vehicles because it is not even saving the planet. If that is so, I think you need to be more open minded.
Supermoto is supposed to be loud,fast,aggressive and it should wheelie easily (allmost without even trying). This vehicle is not a supermoto, it´s a moped, if even that. It´s just too much fun taken away, like motorism with no soul. This is a safe toy that I would buy for my kids with clean consience, though.
its sad that most new eletric bikes, looks so damn ugly :S and 100k ? aint alot, im useing 120k+ daliy (and most of them are at high way speed (80-130km/h) im really looking forward a few year's when the bikes wornt have problems doing 200k, and maby they will even look more nice =) - nice review btw Gizmag ;)
+70 CC it is ugly... yeah, i listened, he said: WE couldn't get it to wheelie And i totally didn't see racerwannabe doing wheelies on it in his video about this shit thing, which is the reason im looking for it in the first way
"We chewed through half the battery in one very scary 10 k freeway jaunt" Half the battery in about 6 miles. LOL If the bike can hit 75 MPH before the limiter kicks in, is 75 MPH on this bike scary? LOL 10 km=6 US miles. So...a "SCARY!" 75 mph for 6 miles. LOL.
i dont want a supermoto that cant wheelie or stoppie. maybe that is juvenile of me, but i would rather have my wr250x than this until they get some real power.
@beeqool you probably know by now, but an electric motor eliminates the need for gears. The brushless electric motor provides energy through the use of magnets if I am not mistaken.
i know right most motorcyclists love the unique sound each bike puts out. nothing better sounding to me than an zx6 with an aftermarket exhaust the sound of the engine is like a rhythm between the rider and the bike it's a bond. a quiet bike isn't a bike idc what anyone says
2:21 There you go, finally an F1 sound is achieved in bikes.
Nice review, I was impressed with the battery, 2.5hr to charge is nothing, but the bit where you pulled on the front brake lever looked weird, as if nothing was connected to it! Maybe a bit of adjustment to make it tighter would help?
please do a review on the KTM RC390
One thing they don't tell you, is that the battery costs you about $9k out of the $14k, and after 1 year of doing about 10k miles, you can only still get about 80% of battery life out of it (est.).
After 2 years, the battery contains only 50% of it's initial capacity, which cuts it's ~60Miles range, down to thirty miles; that's fifteen miles to and back!
At that range, the battery is pretty much useless for anything other than going to a pub or supermarket in the next village or town...
Spending $9k every 2 to 4 years (for less intensive riders), is way more than what I pay on gasoline and oil changes per year on my bike.
Even with a big bike, at 10k miles a year, and $4 a gal, and 40MPG, you'd pay $1000 per 10k miles, or $1 every 10 miles.
Add oil changes to it (half a gal every 3k miles), and you're at about $1100 per year or two. Add minor maintenance to it, like chain, brakes, tires, filters, and valve adjustment, and you're still well under $2k per 10k miles!
Even when you get 50% off of the price of a new battery when you would bring in the old one, you'd still be paying more than a gasoline bike.
Nay, electric bikes are not a good alternative for the longer rides. I ride 150-200 miles per week, with an occasional 300 mile ride, and this bike is nothing for me!
Your first point is absolute rubbish mate. Check the stats on Zero batteries - they're built to outlast the bike. Several hundred thousand miles before they drop to 80%.
Yeah, I heard it before!
I had a LiFePo4 battery powered moped before, and it was supposed to have a 4 year half life. I hit half life on it in 1,5 years time, and only 2,6k miles (at 26mph top speed, that's a lot of riding).
The numbers are in best conditions, not including failing cells. One cell fails, and it takes down more than just the energy capacity of that one cell! It takes down a row of cells (usually 3 or 4 cells at once).
Rubbish? No sir!
gizmag Are batteries covered under warranty by Zero in the event one degrades prematurely before the expected hundred thousand miles?
+DTR RTD 2 year warranty with a supposed lifespan of 5 years or 200k miles.
+joevidya
So the limiting factor is really just the 2 years, unless it's possible for someone to do 50,000 miles per year on a bike-
4.4 KW hours storage. This means to recharge it entirely, here in Quebec Canada, it would cost about 24 pennies.
24 pennies, to travel 100 miles.
My jaw. The floor.
I am so getting this.!!!
Love this bike, I want one!
The only problem I see is charging if you live in a block of flats...
@gizmag thx i always wanted to kno what that type of music was
The new Zero-S looks alot better!
Electric vehicles are always greener than gas vehicles (even with coal power plant electricity) because the power plant is much more efficient in producing energy than your typical gas vehicle. E vehicles will only get greener as new energy technologies produce electricity more cleanly - see LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors
Really?
How do you suppose they make the batteries?
It's so odd because electric motors normally have immediate torque. They must have worked very hard to take it out of this.
@kolpol99 Nothing special, just one of the royalty-free loops that comes with Final Cut. :)
Nice bike! I'd like to try it! :D
put some solar panels on your shed and your should have zero fuel costs. Only cost about £200 to set that up. Thanks for the review. :-)
It's very good in my opinion ! Damn it's not available in Europe !
If you want an electric motorcicle, get a brammo empulse! 100 miles range, 100 miles per hour :)
@MatthewSherman amen brother! There are way to many benefits of going electric, that outweigh the few other strong points of the ICE..
The Sound!? Are you kidding me? :D
Chances are, you're charging your e-bike with electricity from coal or gas burning power plants with a bit of green energy mixed in. Doesn't sound so clean now, does it? Emissions are emissions, the difference is that one is local and the other one at the power plant. It would be a different story if the electricity came from hydro/wind/solar only. I'm not arguing its total environmental impact performance is worse than burning petrol however.
***** Like I said: "I'm not arguing its total environmental impact performance is worse than burning petrol however." :)
I'm aware of the pollution by cars. Besides, NOx and SO2 emissions, particulate matter that is respirable is of particular concern. Now, I'm going to take an extreme example, such as China. If (hypothetical) China were to electrify her cars, she would heavily reduce her reliance on imported petrol. The electricity required to power the electric cars/bikes is then going to require the construction of even more coal power plants! That means more smog, counteracting the avoided emissions of the cars. Same goes in other places in the world, particular where coal is heavily relied on for electricity.
Consider also the environmental impact of the life cycle of the batteries (from resource extraction for lithium e.g., till the waste phase).
What I want you to realize is that a lot of energy goes into moving those steel cages on the roads. The combined energy to move all vehicles in the world is a huge amount and is precisely the reason they're so polluting as it uses tons of fossil fuels. Just like the power plants will have to use extra fossil fuels to provide the electricity to the batteries.
You're not offering any true solution to the pollution problem, if the primary energy for your vehicle still mainly comes from burning fossil fuels. So people shouldn't pretend that their electric vehicle is saving the planet or saying it's clean, since most of them are just simply adding extra burden to the local power plant that is burning natural gas/coal.
That still doesn't change the fact that I want this bike very badly!
Where I'm from, about 95% of the electricity we use is produced by hydro electricity.
Congratulations! Now, installing enough hydro electric dams to help the large rest of the world population isn't in the realm of possibility, unfortunately...
but think about how adaptable electric vehicles are. most people dont have solar, but if they do, free charging. But on the subject of non solar, yeah right now we burn coal for electricity and transmitting that a far distance may be inefficient. But when the power plants change form to things like solar and nuclear (controversial i know, just an example) the vehicle is already there along with it. From the article in decription: over over 65,000 miles "The average motorcycle emits...23,000 pounds of CO2." "Zero will be responsible for about 7,646 pounds of atmospheric CO2 emissions"
shiroineko13 most of the lithium in the batteries can be recycled after its lifespan, so do the copper parts and the rare earth magnets.
Furthermore, do you know that by not using petrol, you cut the environmental cost of refining crude oil and the electricity of keeping the refinery running. It is not just shifting the pollution to the power station but it is cutting out an entire process, that is unnecessary.
From what your saying, your stand is that we should not even be investing in electric vehicles because it is not even saving the planet. If that is so, I think you need to be more open minded.
what song is that in the background?
why it doesnt have gearbox?
True, problem is that electric motors will not have 100+ Nm ...but it can be good , its like 4Stroke 125ccm ...but, for that money ? :D
Wow that bike is cool I would buy it
Electric MOTOR!!! ELECTRIC MOTOR!! You're science writers! Come on!!!
Oil isnt geting cheaper brothers! go electric and save the planet and the fun! :)
Should have dual discs in the front.
Supermoto is supposed to be loud,fast,aggressive and it should wheelie easily (allmost without even trying). This vehicle is not a supermoto, it´s a moped, if even that. It´s just too much fun taken away, like motorism with no soul.
This is a safe toy that I would buy for my kids with clean consience, though.
its sad that most new eletric bikes, looks so damn ugly :S and 100k ? aint alot, im useing 120k+ daliy (and most of them are at high way speed (80-130km/h)
im really looking forward a few year's when the bikes wornt have problems doing 200k, and maby they will even look more nice =)
- nice review btw Gizmag ;)
sounds like a fly buzzing
whats a supermoto without wheelies...
+70 CC it can pull of wheelies...
+Wiverny~ its ugly af though
+Wiverny~ btw 1:47 listen to what the guy says
+70 CC it is ugly...
yeah, i listened, he said: WE couldn't get it to wheelie
And i totally didn't see racerwannabe doing wheelies on it in his video about this shit thing, which is the reason im looking for it in the first way
+70 CC /watch?v=ulhuBxhP8m0
Ótimo para o planeta, falta melhorar o preço!
The Brammo Engage is much more sexy, and it can wheelie
"We chewed through half the battery in one very scary 10 k freeway jaunt" Half the battery in about 6 miles. LOL
If the bike can hit 75 MPH before the limiter kicks in, is 75 MPH on this bike scary? LOL
10 km=6 US miles. So...a "SCARY!" 75 mph for 6 miles. LOL.
i dont want a supermoto that cant wheelie or stoppie. maybe that is juvenile of me, but i would rather have my wr250x than this until they get some real power.
supermotard with no wheelie, sounds fun -.-
turning the video off now I know it doesnt wheelie.. a supermoto that doesnt wheelie is like being stuck in a brothel with no erection
Thema headlight destroys it big time ! Never Seen something ugly like that on a supermoto...shame...
The front and headlight are horrible.
add solar panels
Who on earth gave this supermoto THIS lightmask?!?! Can't get uglier...
the front is fucking ugly
i love sumos.. but this one is really ugly....
xe dep
"Triumphs" electric? .. ummm... trumps?
MOTOQUEIRO BALOFO
"F"-Electric - California battery vehicles burn up ACROSS THE BOARD
Lol... no wheelies no gear changing? this is lame a big hunk of expensive junk
it looks to childish for me sorry
orrible
haha gay e bike watch the mission r