Secrets of the Northern line - London Bridge Pt.1 | Hidden London Hangouts (S04E03)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2021
- In this epic episode the team go behind the scenes of the Northern line at London Bridge to explore the original tunnels of the City and South London Railway. Along the way they reveal how many of the tunnels have been reused in the modern station, discover a disused floodgate and find the tunnels of the world's first deep tube railway from 1890.
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I remember using London Bridge Underground Station regularly in the mid 1960’s before there were any escalators. A bit of a hike when interchanging with the mainline station. At that time there was another entrance/exit which was only open in the rush hour. This was via a long passage which extended from one of the ‘slanty’ passages at the foot of the main entrance lifts. The passage extended under the length of London Bridge Street and under Joiner Street which itself ran under the station approach. Just alongside Joiner Street the rush hour entrance shaft came up with the entrance/exit at the station approach level by the front of the mainline station. The building which used to surround this entrance was bombed in WWII and so the entrance shaft above Joiner Street level was exposed to the elements.
At 40:19, the original lift shaft: I waited many times for the lift here in the 1960's, on way home from Central Foundation School, that was near Old Street Station.
The lift lattice gates were operated manually by an attendant inside the lift, who also controlled the lift up/down using lovely brass controls.
So that explains why the escalators to the Northern Line were of the (relatively) modern "silver" metal type in the 70's, when the system still had an abundance of older wooden escalators elsewhere. They looked of the "Victoria Line" era, as they were installed at roughly the same time as that line was opening, that makes sense now. I wasn't aware that London Bridge had its lifts replaced that late in the day.
Brilliant tour team, I used to use L Bdg before reconstruction for the JLE and used the southbound tunnel in service, lots of things in this film that I never knew about, I remember an old ticket hall, there was an iron stare case/steps on pavement by bus station to the old ticket area, saw lots positions of what may have been for I have no idea, when the JLE arrived, returned back to L Bdg, by that time, the old ticket office/passageways had gone, that’s why I just loved this tour 👍
As fun as the recent episode's have been the return to disused stations or stations with disused parts are more my sort of thing, keep up the good work guys !!!
We like to mix it up to bring in new fans but this is what we do and love so much so we’re glad you are enjoying it too!
What a fantastic episode. London Bridge must be the most rebuilt station in London, what with the underground and the remodelling of the rail station itself.
Looking forward to part 2 on the Jubilee line.
This is really so fascinating, and nostalgic for me!
I actually saw that scene at 18:12 ! I used to travel from London Bridge to school on the Northern line from 1965 to 1969, and would stop to watch through a "spy hole" in the hoarding, as they excavated that tunnel and placed the escalators in place!
Alex how nice of you cheers,great episode this week I've not been to London Bridge for what seem like ages used to frequent it back in the late eighties,my how different it is today,
Very looking forward to a bus ride On Salisbury Plain next week keep well you lot see you all next week.
That was an epic episode. Thanks.
You should do a hangouts series in the Berlin underground. You would love it, especially you Laura. There are some awesome old tiles.
Thanks so much! We want to come to Berlin for a special episode!!!!
I’ve always wanted to go!
I think this has been my favourite episode to date.
It's really good to be back under London (technically the city of Southwark, but ...)!
I use London Bridge Station when visiting nearby guys hospital, like you said, the station seems vast enough as it is, amazing what is just behind the closed doors.... :)
Was initially shocked that LT Advertising department charges LTM and Hidden London for advertising, but I suppose they are all separate businesses
Well you think you have seen it all then another appsulutly mind blowing episode thanks to all involved its awesome to find out what is behind all these locked doors... can't wait to see what other treasures London Bridge has to show...
This episode, like many others, was fabulous. I have used the station so many times over the years, not knowing its history or the hidden bits. A big thank you to all involved in putting this together.
Another great episode! Thank you for doing this! I love seeing so much of the stations as video, not just photos!
It suddenly dawned on me on this episode that the lovely tiles that are on the spiral staircase would have all been carried up/down the stairs to get them in position! It got me wondering how many got broken in transit!
Best episode yet! Love how sections have not been re-purposed, so atmospheric in places! Looking forward to part two.
So glad you liked it!
Hi Fab 4, ‘due to circumstances beyond my control’ as they say, I’ve only just seen episodes 2 & 3 but thought both of them were great! Lego is the favourite of my son and my two granddaughters (and mine!) so have recommended they watch that episode (hope it will interest them enough to watch the whole series!) As for London Bridge, well what a lot to see! Never knew, in the many times I’ve used it, that there was so much hidden beneath my feet. Can’t wait to see Part 2. Keep up the superb work team! Many thanks.
Wow, what an episode, definitely my favourite so far. I spent 15 years commuting between Collier's Wood and Moorgate during the 80's & 90's and remember the huge refurbishment ahead of the Jubilee line extension. I can't believe poor Siddy missed out on this visit, personally I would have moved my holiday to another date
Really looking forward to part two !
DORSETGUY1) Hi team WOW this is the best episode yet what a amazing station, so much history to see and great that they have left all the old tunnels untouched, hopefully one day in the future the tunnels could be opened as a museum for tours. thank you team for this wonderful show. 💖
Should be interesting viewing, looking forward to seeing the exploration - Jack
I love that Alex presents himself as the host to let the experts do their thing but is every bit as knowledgeable and genuinely passionate as they are. Hard to imagine anyone more perfectly suited to the job.
Great episode as always. thanks to all of you.
Beautiful London City .
Recently found your channel and I must say this is the best episode I've seen so far. So much is still there, whole different worlds behind the bland white locked doors! And those beautiful emerald tiles...yes I'm fast becoming a vintage tile fan too. Thank you for a fabulous channel!
Thank you for bringing to us an excellent behind the scenes look at London Bridge tube station: fascinating!
Cracking visit! Loved seeing the old tunnels and those photos of the old ticket hall and earthworks for the 60’s remodel!
When are you thinking of another steam trip? Love to see a Quainton Road to Aylesbury trip, picking up the abandoned stations along they way.
And Alex - we’re in max-lockdown so no trips abroad any time soon 😢
Another fantastic episode!
I've watched Secrets of the
London Underground, but this is just as fascinating to watch.
Very interesting stuff guys.
I've walked through past the arches in London Bridge station which are used for retail these days
Fantastic episode that was just hit after hit - a very happy hours viewing. Best bit was going up the ‘secret sewer staircase’ to the disused 1890 tunnels.
Is the King Wm St branch now the only example of original CSLR small diameter running tunnel left?
Wracking my brains to think of others….
Yes that's right all of the others were widened between 1922-24. There may be a backfilled fragment at Stockwell but I'm prettry sure KWS and London Bridge - Borough are the only places left with 10ft2in.
I think I’m going to have to watch this episode at least 5 times to take all in
Funny you should say that. It’s like a burst of fabulous stuff - hits you right between the eyes!
@@alexgrundon2346 the walking along a C&SLR tunnel is amazing
I remember those BIG lifts when I commuted through the station in 1959/1962. And hearing there were plans for escalators!
What a great episode! So much history so much to see.
The Tube is endlessly fascinating and very spooky if working on your own...
Out at the Proms last night but I was very glad to catch up on this. It’s just a couple of weeks until I’ll be passing through London Bridge on my way to office again, albeit that I use the Jubilee Line so I’m even more interested in Part 2.
PS spotted the poster for Moseley Shoals by Ocean Colour Scene at 22:52, that would be from 1996 I believe.
Love your beady eye!
Good to hear Alex mention (at 56:00) the thing that was playing in the back of my mind. That what is happening with the expansion of Bank-Monument Station is what already happened here. So good for picking that parallel up.
Also the amount of stuff reminded me of an onion. You just keep on going.
And Angel, for that matter… back in the 90s….
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks for reminding me. Just that with Bank-Monument expansion being more "in the here and now" is it difficult to place something when you spot parallels.
Simply fabulous. Are there any hidden secrets at Old St.? Would love to see an explore of that one.
There’s probably an episode in the Northern City line, which for a time was part of its life a branch of the Northern line - running from Drayton Park to Moorgate, including Old Street. Curious little line and there are plenty of secrets actually.
Great to see the history behind the modern station. Another great episode.👍
Always loving the show but I do wonder what you would do without your hands Alex
London Bridge is most definitely an interesting station
come to hamburg we have the oldest tiled underground tunnels from the old world tartaria the oldest tunnnel is under the river elbe with every tile is different
Wow fab vid
Guys, absolutely fabulous episode guys! A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!! And it’s so good to meet even more of the people working is these stations.
Quick question, when would the black, white, tiles been put in? Are they general found on stations north and south of the original C&SL line?
The black and white ones would have gone up in 1900. But also remember the fleur design that was installed in 1890? Some still exist (northern line spiral stairs at Elephant for example) but I didn’t see any here - understandable given London Bridge opened ten years after the original CSLR line opened.
@@alexgrundon2346 thanks. I need to add elephant to my ‘to visit’ list next time I’m in London. The northern line is definitely my fav, I’m absolutely fascinated by the C&SL railway! (Along with all the other things you guys have taught me!)
To answer Alex' question towards the end: Yes, Siddy's TV show is geoblocked.
I hope it's still available when I'll hopefully visit London again in November ...
Glad our hangouts can be watched worldwide!
So is Laura always worried about London Hangnails!!
24:19 Places like that are really important history. You should try to protect and preserve them and not let the peeling of the paint and rust continue to progress. Maybe even put a glass in front and control the climate behind it and open the tunnel to the public or if that's not possible replace the wall with glass so that you can see the old platform. And don't remove any graffiti/tags. Leave it as it is.
Have never really wanted to visit disused stations, but thought it would be good to see photographs of them, so these videos are good.
Have watched several videos today, but I think it was near the start of this one where a booking hall was shown with early turnstiles; I thought this looked rather like early New York Subway.
If you come up from the Jubilee Line at London Bridge and after passing through the ticket gates turn right you cross over a passageway and a few metres to the right enter the Western Arcade leading to the main line station. Just to the left of the entrance to the arcade is a stone arch with doors in it; the arch looks old; where does it lead to?
I’m trying to follow your directions in my head. It COULD be the old escalator entrance to the mainline station - now redundant. Is that where you mean?
Can someone clarify whether the picture of the station at 5:26 is still on Google Streetview if you scroll back to 2012 at the junction of London Bridge Street and Guildable Manor Street, now replaced with what I assume is a ventilation shaft that has 'Shard Quarter' on it? It looks like it with the upper floors removed.
Many thanks
At 22:08 in the video a caption appears saying that the new southbound running tunnel and platform were colnstructed to the east of the original southbound. But with right-hand running, the southbound tunnel is on the west side, so isn't the new one further west?
Hi Richard. Yes you are right - that’s a slip up and it should say it was constructed to the west of the original. The red arrows that illustrate it show it correctly to the west. Well spotted and thank you.
I have to say, well spotted. This was a very tight turnaround and I have to say my eyes missed that too. Nixy and I checked it together so I’ll take half the blame on this one. But the actual words from our mouths are right. Thanks for watching. Much more cool stuff to come.
Talking of remodeling. Just wanted to ask if any of you remember (or know anything about) the little children's "cinema" in Victoria (overground) Station, before they extended it to add more platforms? I have many fond memories of sitting in there with my little brother watching cartoons while we waited for our train, and was horrified when I returned to London in 2004 and it was gone. Perhaps a series of "lost histories" of still in use stations, might be an idea for a series? I know it's not the underground, but it's still within London. So it should technically count. Slightly off-topic: London Bridge is one of only two stations that I have never seen the outside of, until now; the other being King's Cross.
There was one at Waterloo too. Perhaps it was a thing.
6800 views?! So far…
Mind blown
You never know what you are going to need in future. 🏳🌈
*BZZZZZZZZT!* Wrong!
The first *deep* railway was the Mersey Railway in Liverpool - 1886. The tunnels were partly bored using a tunnel boring machine, creating a very big round tunnel. The tunnel bore was big, 26 foot diameter, as it was envisaged it would run to Liverpool's docks using big freight trains. The extension to the docks never happened, so the tunnel under the wide river is a very wide bore for the time.
Yeah someone else said that so why is the CSLR always stated as such? There must be a reason why. But thanks for buzzing in.
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_"There must be a reason why"_
Because it is not in London. 😉 Liverpool has some of the world's oldest and historic rail infrastructure, which needs to be made into a museum. But some of it is reserved to be reused, so it lays there. The 1.24 mile Wapping tunnel was the first rail tunnel under a metropolis, built 1829. It was to be a part of the Merseyrail metro in the late 1970s. It was binned by Thatcher.
When the tunnel has trains running through it, it will be the oldest part of any railway (and urban railway) in the world, and the oldest tunnel. Liverpool had a station decommissioned before London had its first station. Well the oldest tunnel in use in the world is also in Liverpool (and station). It is also used by the Merseyrail City Line - 1836.
fascinating stuff...
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You star. Gotta admit though - some pretty cool footage in this Hangout, right?
@@alexgrundon2346
Clearly so. A great channel indeed. It would have been a lot better if Covid never got in the way - more like spectacular.
@@johnburns4017 There are some reasons the C&SLR is credited as the first and it's not because it was in London. It's officially credited as the first electrified deep-tube railway (see plaque outside King William Street in S2 Ep1) but it is the ancestor of all successful deep-tube railways since because of that important step with electrification. I'm from Manchester so I'm the first to celebrate the many achievements of early railways in and between Liverpool and Manchester (they were amazing and so ambitious!) but the world's first, proper deep-tube railway is not one of those achievements. The Mersey Railway was not the technical model used by all modern tube railways since (tunnels bored, electrically powered trains, powered access to platforms) but the C&SLR was.
The 1843 Brunel Thames tunnel was converted for use by the steam-powered East London line in 1869 and the cable-hauled Tower Subway opened the following year, both predating the Mersey Railway by much more than a decade - they were both constructed with bored tunnels but they were not the model for proper tube railways either because their motive power wasn't suitable for long distances in deep tunnels. On opening in 1886 the Mersey Railway used steam trains similar to those already in use on the Metropolitan line but in deeper tunnels, without the same ventilation of the sub-surface Met it was a toxic environment and not a success with passengers. Consequently people stopped using the railway and went back to using ferries, this led to the Railway going bankrupt in 1900. It was only the introduction of electric trains in 1903 that saved the Mersey Railway by which time many new tube schemes were built or under construction using the successful model of the C&SLR.
I can see that today it might look like the Mersey Railway got there first but when it was built it was after two other bored river railway tunnels in London and it was a technical and financial failure until it borrowed ideas from elsewhere. The Brunel tunnel and the Tower subway were the most important railways in the steps to creating the formula for modern tubes and the C&SLR was the first railway that brought it all together into a technical and financial success. Impressive in depth as it was the Mersey Railway overreached the limits of locomotive technology underground and was a technical backwards step for deep-tube railways at that time. C&SLR was the world's first electric deep-tube railway and became the parent of virtually everything built since.
Interesting subject but 21 minutes in and I can’t stand anymore of the nauseating county file style banter.
That’s a shame. At 22 minutes it got really good. Give it another go.
And I think you mean Country File. County File is a bit small for us.
Oh you should watch this week's episode then: Imberbus 2021. We visited a remote village and I had to walk with a shooting stick. Proper John Craven - you'll love it!
Maybe it was something you ate? I find their chemistry charming.