You can say what ever you like about lies harming people but in that era some secrets could be as damaging to her and the child she was taking care of, there really was such a thing as a ruined woman, and often woman in that situation often couldn't get work or housing or any of the basics. Poor Cary Grant, at that time his father might have put his mother away just because he didn't want her any more.
You didn't go into details about rumors that Cary Grant and Randolph Scott had long term intimate relationship. It's known fact they lived together for years.
It's possible she wasn't even having mental problems. It wouldn't be the first time a man got his wife put away so he could move on with his life, to be with another woman or even to get her money.
My ex husband’s father and children wouldn’t get help for his wife and their mother bc she was suffering of Altzheimers. ‘ “Crazy people” were shameful’… I was appalled, but helpless! She ended up in a nursing home after he couldn’t care for her safely any longer, per doctor demand. for 17 YEARS, banging on bed-rail…
At least in those days they knew the difference between men and women and if you were caught doing certain things to kids your life expectancy dramatically shortened.
@@anniekinsmishkamouse7575 Well that's just sad. That statement was a reflection of public sentiment at the time not the narrator's personal opinion. It was worded that way because that's exactly how it would have been received by the public at the time. You woke lot are really thin skinned and waiting to be offended.
@@Edelwiess1066 And I have a right to not want to watch any channel if I do not like the content. My opinion belongs only to me. By the way I keep seeing that word "woke" but other than my being awake, I do not understand. Or why you applied it to me. Maybe you thought I was sleeping? Does it mean I am not current or something? I am old. So maybe I am too old to understand?
Even after she died she was exploited, my grandpa worked as a mortician at Westwood memorial and admitted a lot of people who should never have been were let in to see her body, her falsies that she was buried with and lack of underwear she had to be buried in, and then men like Hugh Hefner paid absurd amounts of money to be buried next to or even on top of her face down towards her…seriously what the actual f
Actually I've read before that she told friends she'd wear a wig to pick up guys, then reveal who she really was, because she had issues around only being loved for her image. She needed to prove she could be loved if she looked ordinary. So it fits. It also fits re using sexuality as weapon, to revenge herself on her absent father. She used her sexy persona to get fame & affection but felt trapped by her dumb blonde image: because in private she was introvert, shy & wanted to be taken seriously as an actress .
Burton didn’t cheat on Taylor. They both drank too much and used to have epic fights until they both burned out. Pretty normal behaviour for alcoholics.
I was quite surprised when you said that Clark Gable forced himself onto Loretta Young, because everything I’ve ever read about her, she actually claims that they were lovers.
I have heard that they were lovers, also. Gable did visit his daughter once when she was 14. He couldn’t take responsibility for the girl because it would ruin Loretta Young’s reputation. Loretta only admitted on her death bed that Judy was her daughter with Clark Gable.
The forcing himself on her rumour started when a v elderly Loretta was watching something on date r*pe with her relative & asked her what the term meant, then said he'd done it to her. Did she really understand or was she still all there mentally at the time ( dementia?), because everyone in Hollywood gossiped that it was a steamy affair. I mean women were falling all over him, he was the undisputed King of Hollywood. No other rumours ever about him being prone to forcing himself on women.
@@sarahholland2600 I'm not saying it was what he did, I wasn't there and I wish it wasn't, but at the time, it was more 'normal' that a man forced himself on a woman. That James Bond movie where he r*pes the woman was seen as romantic. So many scenes where the man forces himself, or mostly forces a kiss on a woman were (or are still) seen as romantic, as long as the woman seems to like it, after. Many movies were that way. They loved a man who knew what he wanted and knew how to control his woman. It was manly. Most of the time, the woman went along with it since as society showed, it was a sign that the man loved you and if you said you didn't want it, then you were blamed for teasing him. Maybe Loretta realized that when she realized date r*pe was a thing.
Many Regency romance books and others had love-rape in them, esp in the 60s. A friend brought me a large bag full of books when I was confined to bed for 6 months. I don’t condone it then or now but 50 years ago I assumed that what what happened in 1700 , 1800 s. I could probably come up with some authors if I thought about it long enough.? Tho thankfully, Jane Austin and the Brontes weren’t of that nature. My favorites. @@spacecat6022
16:53 I - and many others - knew that Pat Lake was Hearst and Davies’ child for many years before Pat announced it to her family. She looked just like her father.
Call of the WILD not Call of the Wind. I do wish people who want to talk about the Industry would do their homework. BTW, I had a lovely conversation in the 1990s with Ingrid Bergman's daughter Isabella. All she said about her mother was that she was often "high maintenance." After my 25+ years in the Industry, I would say that most of the time it is better to just watch the wonderful work that an actor does on the screen rather than get to know them personally. They have major pressures on them and have to think of themselves first if they are going to survive. This is especially true for women. Many actors do wonderful things for charities and their fellow man. However, they can't live normal lives or do normal everyday things. Just think of the pleasure they give us.
Re the claim that Marilyn wanted to make love with her father....sigh...many people say silly stuff when they are at a party where have been drinking. Doubtless she was angry with her father for his desertion. What could be a more devious revenge than her "plan". I had planned to invite my ex over to his brother/sister-in-law's apartment so that I could entice him into playing a game of bond*ge. The idea was to get him into an embarrassing position (several of my acquaintances who had been intimate with him as well were eager to hide until he was helpless and then to reveal themselves). We wanted to leave him trapped there for his family to find. He did agree to go there with me (naturally, he was a dog), but I decided not to bother. That nonsensical thinking does not make me a kidnapper or a monster. It was fantasy, created to relieve my heartache....as was Marilyn's, no doubt.
Her daddy issues are tied to her being sexually assaulted as a child by several father figures around her immediate family. We're talking about her being a literal child on these occasions, so it's no wonder she had issues later in life.
According to Kim Novak herself, which I heard directly from her, her relationship with Sammy Davis, Jr. was a friendship, not a romantic relationship. Marion Davies was not a starlet but a star. This complete distortion of the word "starlet" is unconscionable and exposes the shoddy research into topics about celebrities.
To me, it makes sense that marilyn wanted to have sex with her father. From a you g age, she was taught that sex and her body were the things that gave her value and power. And since she didn't even know who her father was, she wanted to use the main thing she was valued for with her father.
Kirk Douglas raped Nathalie Wood, and she kept the name a secret for her entire life, and her family didn't reveal it for as long as he lived. Things like that happen in Hollywood.
The reason that: this whole narration is filled with BAD pronounciation is because it is NOT a real person, this an automated, digitally generated, fake voice!
@@madalynnk4221 LOL ! I think the robot voice girl was thinking about "Gone with the wind" since she was referring to Clark Gable. Still, I like your explanation.
Joan Crawford was one of the Hollywood celebrities who *adopted " her children through the infamous Georgia Tan. I don't know if it was all four, but I know that the twins were.
I'd always heard it was through Bessie Bernard. She had to "adopt" her children this way because legit adoption agencies wouldn't let her adopt because of her reputation as an actress. At least that's what I heard.
I laughed at the picture at 17:15 because it looked just like Carol Burnett's impersonation of her on The Carol Burnett Show. I think the "movie" was called, *Mildred Fierce*! LOL!
Richard Burton And Elizabeth Taylor had a good affair but Elizabeth Taylor's heart belonged to Michael Todd and now she's with mike dad And that is a fact that she had a near death experience where she saw him and he told her it's not her time and he'll be waiting he was the love of her life mike Todd80 days around the world if you heard about that movie mike Todd was the producer
Taylor was a nasty woman. She took what she wanted, when she wanted it. She couldn’t stand being told no. And when she talks of love she means sex. When that cooled she was on to the next one. Mike Todd didn’t get the Taylor treatment cos he wasn’t with her long enough.
Joan Crawford was one of the Hollywood celebrities who *adopted " her children through the infamous Georgia Tan. I din't if it was all four, but I know that the twins were.
@@nicolescott1354the point is, if you’re going to post something the correct pronunciations are necessary. The information is easily accessible and to just guess at what words or names sound like is unprofessional. Let’s face it, the majority of people who post videos on YT are doing so for monetizing purposes, which is all well and good. But they need to be professional about their content, including correct pronunciations.
The truth is her ex-husband her first ex-husband in ingred bergman's first ex-husband set everything he said because let's face, she dropped him like a hot rock, and back then a woman who left her husband was unlikely to get to keep her children, even had she wanted to. So I don't believe anything that people say because the fact is when he made his comments she was no longer around even defend herself, which goes to prove something and that is, that she got out from under him before he could do her any harm. He could have brought this up anytime he wanted she could have made a big stink and ruined her anytime he wanted to so why then didn't he want to, either she knew something that he did not want to come out, or he was being paid off handsomely by her. Where do the time when she left him he might not have had a whole lot of money...
OKOK....I AM SEXUALLY normal....I too have a birth father who won't let me in ...his head, I guess...I kno his sister.. so..that's cool...but, I also had this exact same fantasy....minus the actually sex...mine stopped at the bar as we were walking out to go home with him.. .so....ya 😂😂😂😂❤omg
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I would've never subscribed if this was the first episode I watched. The errors in facts, the MANY mispronunciations, and all the slurring was absolutely awful.
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Hollywood was never quite as glamorous as it was often portrayed
Certainly not for women.
Why do you say that?
We all knew that😅
there was a lot of back door dealings, Murders, threats, Sexual abuse,
No one batted an eye at that time if a man drank, smoked and slept around. But a woman who did that, now that was a scandal.
😂😂
So so right, double standards.
So… no change then?
Not in Hollywood, it seems!
You can say what ever you like about lies harming people but in that era some secrets could be as damaging to her and the child she was taking care of, there really was such a thing as a ruined woman, and often woman in that situation often couldn't get work or housing or any of the basics. Poor Cary Grant, at that time his father might have put his mother away just because he didn't want her any more.
I agree plus she got a lot wrong about Judy’s story. She should have read her book. The “secret” never ruined her relationship with her mother.
You didn't go into details about rumors that Cary Grant and Randolph Scott had long term intimate relationship. It's known fact they lived together for years.
Gossip kills
It's possible she wasn't even having mental problems. It wouldn't be the first time a man got his wife put away so he could move on with his life, to be with another woman or even to get her money.
My ex husband’s father and children wouldn’t get help for his wife and their mother bc she
was suffering of Altzheimers. ‘ “Crazy people” were shameful’… I was appalled, but helpless!
She ended up in a nursing home after he couldn’t care for her safely any longer, per doctor demand.
for 17 YEARS, banging on bed-rail…
These true stories make me give a side eye 👀 to ppl who yearn for the ‘good ole days’ corruption and bad ppl have Always been a part of society.
Its worse now.
At least in those days they knew the difference between men and women and if you were caught doing certain things to kids your life expectancy dramatically shortened.
"Black man and a white movie stair." Sammy was as much of a star as she was.
That was so insulting to him. Not that it matters but I unsubscribed and stopped watching the video at that point.
I could see Hollywood producers put out contract with Mod to kill Sammy Davis. Kim Novak was stunning in her day.
Who on earth writes your captions? Why don't you find someone who can spell?
@@anniekinsmishkamouse7575 Well that's just sad. That statement was a reflection of public sentiment at the time not the narrator's personal opinion. It was worded that way because that's exactly how it would have been received by the public at the time. You woke lot are really thin skinned and waiting to be offended.
@@Edelwiess1066 And I have a right to not want to watch any channel if I do not like the content. My opinion belongs only to me.
By the way I keep seeing that word "woke" but other than my being awake, I do not understand. Or why you applied it to me. Maybe you thought I was sleeping? Does it mean I am not current or something? I am old. So maybe I am too old to understand?
13:57 is not a picture of Kim Novak and Sammy Davis. It is a picture of him with his wife Mai Britt.
I wouldn’t believe anything any man said about Marilyn. It was the male gaze that ultimately killed her.
Maybe the most relevant, important, and accurate comment I’ve ever seen on the internet.
Even after she died she was exploited, my grandpa worked as a mortician at Westwood memorial and admitted a lot of people who should never have been were let in to see her body, her falsies that she was buried with and lack of underwear she had to be buried in, and then men like Hugh Hefner paid absurd amounts of money to be buried next to or even on top of her face down towards her…seriously what the actual f
Actually I've read before that she told friends she'd wear a wig to pick up guys, then reveal who she really was, because she had issues around only being loved for her image. She needed to prove she could be loved if she looked ordinary. So it fits. It also fits re using sexuality as weapon, to revenge herself on her absent father. She used her sexy persona to get fame & affection but felt trapped by her dumb blonde image: because in private she was introvert, shy & wanted to be taken seriously as an actress .
She was very loose morals. She called JFK home asking for him. Jackie told her.never to call this number again. Marlin said what a bitch.
Hollywood turned her into the sex bomb shell. When she had her brown hair. No makeup she just looked like a plain jane.
Burton didn’t cheat on Taylor. They both drank too much and used to have epic fights until they both burned out. Pretty normal behaviour for alcoholics.
Poor Ann Miller. That was a horrible thing to do. 😢
❤ That was heartbreaking to see that segment. She really endured a lot of abusive behavior. that guy was criminal.
Goes to prove that Hollywood was and is a cesspool of toxicity and distinction.
I believe the movie with Loretta Young and Clark Gable was "Call of the Wild,," not "Call of the Wind."
Yes, you're right, "Call of the Wild".
Lots of mistakes in this segment.
The price of fame is the soul.
100% TRUE.
I was quite surprised when you said that Clark Gable forced himself onto Loretta Young, because everything I’ve ever read about her, she actually claims that they were lovers.
I have heard that they were lovers, also. Gable did visit his daughter once when she was 14. He couldn’t take responsibility for the girl because it would ruin Loretta Young’s reputation. Loretta only admitted on her death bed that Judy was her daughter with Clark Gable.
The forcing himself on her rumour started when a v elderly Loretta was watching something on date r*pe with her relative & asked her what the term meant, then said he'd done it to her. Did she really understand or was she still all there mentally at the time ( dementia?), because everyone in Hollywood gossiped that it was a steamy affair. I mean women were falling all over him, he was the undisputed King of Hollywood. No other rumours ever about him being prone to forcing himself on women.
@@sarahholland2600 I'm not saying it was what he did, I wasn't there and I wish it wasn't, but at the time, it was more 'normal' that a man forced himself on a woman. That James Bond movie where he r*pes the woman was seen as romantic. So many scenes where the man forces himself, or mostly forces a kiss on a woman were (or are still) seen as romantic, as long as the woman seems to like it, after. Many movies were that way. They loved a man who knew what he wanted and knew how to control his woman. It was manly. Most of the time, the woman went along with it since as society showed, it was a sign that the man loved you and if you said you didn't want it, then you were blamed for teasing him. Maybe Loretta realized that when she realized date r*pe was a thing.
Many Regency romance books and others had love-rape in them, esp in the 60s. A friend brought me a large bag full of books when I was confined to bed for 6 months. I don’t condone it then or now but 50 years ago I assumed that what what happened in 1700 , 1800 s. I could probably come up with some authors if I thought about it long enough.?
Tho thankfully, Jane Austin and the Brontes weren’t of that nature. My favorites.
@@spacecat6022
@@spacecat6022 What Bond movie???
16:53 I - and many others - knew that Pat Lake was Hearst and Davies’ child for many years before Pat announced it to her family. She looked just like her father.
Call of the WILD not Call of the Wind. I do wish people who want to talk about the Industry would do their homework. BTW, I had a lovely conversation in the 1990s with Ingrid Bergman's daughter Isabella. All she said about her mother was that she was often "high maintenance." After my 25+ years in the Industry, I would say that most of the time it is better to just watch the wonderful work that an actor does on the screen rather than get to know them personally. They have major pressures on them and have to think of themselves first if they are going to survive. This is especially true for women. Many actors do wonderful things for charities and their fellow man. However, they can't live normal lives or do normal everyday things. Just think of the pleasure they give us.
“Ah-DAJH”?? Good grief, that’s not the way to pronounce “adage.” And the movie with Loretta Young was “Call of the WILD.”
Please turn up the audio, I wasn't able to watch.
Thank you!
Gabel had relations with Young when she was 17. Young said no to the abortion. Good for her.
Re the claim that Marilyn wanted to make love with her father....sigh...many people say silly stuff when they are at a party where have been drinking. Doubtless she was angry with her father for his desertion. What could be a more devious revenge than her "plan". I had planned to invite my ex over to his brother/sister-in-law's apartment so that I could entice him into playing a game of bond*ge. The idea was to get him into an embarrassing position (several of my acquaintances who had been intimate with him as well were eager to hide until he was helpless and then to reveal themselves). We wanted to leave him trapped there for his family to find.
He did agree to go there with me (naturally, he was a dog), but I decided not to bother.
That nonsensical thinking does not make me a kidnapper or a monster. It was fantasy, created to relieve my heartache....as was Marilyn's, no doubt.
Her daddy issues are tied to her being sexually assaulted as a child by several father figures around her immediate family. We're talking about her being a literal child on these occasions, so it's no wonder she had issues later in life.
Sigmund Freud was correct about the Oedipus complex
Great video!
This video really shows the backbone of america. Isnt this amazingly spooky?
No it doesn't lol 😆
Hollywood is not the "backbone" of America Good grief
They like to think they are, but it's not true as many have proven by refusing to watch movies with the messages they are pushing these days.
According to Kim Novak herself, which I heard directly from her, her relationship with Sammy Davis, Jr. was a friendship, not a romantic relationship. Marion Davies was not a starlet but a star. This complete distortion of the word "starlet" is unconscionable and exposes the shoddy research into topics about celebrities.
To me, it makes sense that marilyn wanted to have sex with her father. From a you g age, she was taught that sex and her body were the things that gave her value and power. And since she didn't even know who her father was, she wanted to use the main thing she was valued for with her father.
I don't believe Gable forced himself on Young.
Kirk Douglas raped Nathalie Wood, and she kept the name a secret for her entire life, and her family didn't reveal it for as long as he lived. Things like that happen in Hollywood.
The click bait photo was not Cary Grant!
Who is it? Looks similar to Grant
The reason that: this whole narration is filled with BAD pronounciation is because it is NOT a real person, this an automated, digitally generated, fake voice!
18:50 for Cary Grant.
Why are we so quick to believe the negative about people, especially the ones we claim to adore.
Because the truth is always much much worse than that.
"Call of the WILD", NOT "Call of the WIND".
The second sounds like a movie about farts
@@madalynnk4221 LOL ! I think the robot voice girl was thinking about "Gone with the wind" since she was referring to Clark Gable. Still, I like your explanation.
Call of the WILD. Stupid errors like this will destroy this channel if you aren’t more careful.
Joan Crawford was one of the Hollywood celebrities who *adopted " her children through the infamous Georgia Tan. I don't know if it was all four, but I know that the twins were.
Her adoption of kids was for PR, she never had any maternal instincts
I'd always heard it was through Bessie Bernard. She had to "adopt" her children this way because legit adoption agencies wouldn't let her adopt because of her reputation as an actress. At least that's what I heard.
17:56 l believe Christina. She was evil looking
I laughed at the picture at 17:15 because it looked just like Carol Burnett's impersonation of her on The Carol Burnett Show. I think the "movie" was called, *Mildred Fierce*! LOL!
Call Of The Wild, Not Call Of The Wind.
I didn’t know that about the lovely Ann Miller. How awful.
Volume is too low 🙁
Richard Burton And Elizabeth Taylor had a good affair but Elizabeth Taylor's heart belonged to Michael Todd and now she's with mike dad And that is a fact that she had a near death experience where she saw him and he told her it's not her time and he'll be waiting he was the love of her life mike Todd80 days around the world if you heard about that movie mike Todd was the producer
Exactly
A near death experience?! Oh well, that confirms it then....
Taylor was a nasty woman. She took what she wanted, when she wanted it. She couldn’t stand being told no. And when she talks of love she means sex. When that cooled she was on to the next one. Mike Todd didn’t get the Taylor treatment cos he wasn’t with her long enough.
Joan Crawford was one of the Hollywood celebrities who *adopted " her children through the infamous Georgia Tan. I din't if it was all four, but I know that the twins were.
This is a photo of JIMMY STEWART, not Cary Grant.
???What photo is Jimmy Stewart??
Bogart's name rhymes with "cart". It is not pronounced "Bogurt".
It’s Bo-GART, not BO-gert
I've heard Redd Foxx as Fred Sanford pronounce it "BO-gert", though.
I agree. Everyone used Marilyn.
SECRETS!!! THX
Marilyn was murdered and had a shit childhood she was the most beautiful woman and will live in are hearts forever
Burton and Taylor couldnt survive the Hollywood lifestyle
Great
The word autopsy is pronounced AWW-top-see.
In English speaking countries the name Elias is pronounced
El-EYE-ass.
Your point?
@@nicolescott1354the point is, if you’re going to post something the correct pronunciations are necessary. The information is easily accessible and to just guess at what words or names sound like is unprofessional. Let’s face it, the majority of people who post videos on YT are doing so for monetizing purposes, which is all well and good. But they need to be professional about their content, including correct pronunciations.
She said a few words in a weird way.
Just say ut Novak and Davis forbidden romance was All About Race! SMH
The truth is her ex-husband her first ex-husband in ingred bergman's first ex-husband set everything he said because let's face, she dropped him like a hot rock, and back then a woman who left her husband was unlikely to get to keep her children, even had she wanted to. So I don't believe anything that people say because the fact is when he made his comments she was no longer around even defend herself, which goes to prove something and that is, that she got out from under him before he could do her any harm. He could have brought this up anytime he wanted she could have made a big stink and ruined her anytime he wanted to so why then didn't he want to, either she knew something that he did not want to come out, or he was being paid off handsomely by her. Where do the time when she left him he might not have had a whole lot of money...
Looooove Ann Miller 💔
Can you speak a bit louder plese love
It's pronounced AD-age, not ad-AJH.
How about Carol Channing who passed for white and did not reveal that she was black until 2002. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Channing
being black from the generation where one drop made you black. She might be biracial today but back them she was black. A blackness she claimed
A bit black.
That really surprised me when I first heard about it.
@@lindaf4836 Or a lot white?
Please know your material better. This is really poor work.
Too many errors in this report. You need an editor!!
Young and Gable were in "Call of theWild" not "Wind".
OKOK....I AM SEXUALLY normal....I too have a birth father who won't let me in ...his head, I guess...I kno his sister.. so..that's cool...but, I also had this exact same fantasy....minus the actually sex...mine stopped at the bar as we were walking out to go home with him.. .so....ya 😂😂😂😂❤omg
As a person with a film studies college experience and with a lifelong amount of experience with film history, I have to say in my opinion this channel is not qualified to make statements about film other than to always say that it is the channel opinion and not fact. Subscriber beware.
Can't hear it.
Pronounced "E Lie ahs" NOT "E lee us"
Call of the Wild not Call of the Wind.
"add-idge," not "adahj"
louder please
WHAT ABOUT THE MEN???
PRONOUNCE YOUR Ts !!!!!!!!
In fact, you need to be more consistent with all your pronunciation.
Enunciation, isn’t it?
I would've never subscribed if this was the first episode I watched. The errors in facts, the MANY mispronunciations, and all the slurring was absolutely awful.
Button. B U T T O N. NOT. BUA ON.
And GOTTEN. Not gau on.
And WONDERED, NOT wau nerd.
😊 it was Call of the wild 😜 🤪