i did this all the time in Titanfall. Suspected a wallhacker. Hid and set a trap to get footage. And when i uploaded the footage i still had people telling me: "He heard you walking through the wall" "He just knows people spawn there and checked" On the one hand people will defend the most blatant obvious hacks and on the other accuse you for the most benign flicks or predictions.
People tend to be quick to say someone isn't hacking for 2 reasons 1. They hear accusations of hacking semi frequently because ego can't let someone say they lost the 1v1 2. Because they see foolish accusations like the one you described so they're more quick to say something isn't a hack It's a weird state of affairs really because unless its very obvious it's almost impossible to know for sure.
@@maxl8623 yeah. In Bad business (a popular FPS on roblox) I find cheaters in every other match. This is because of many reasons such as poor ROBLOX cheat client security and such, but that’s not my point. I’d say I’m pretty experienced with cheaters because of this and sometimes it’s pretty hard to tell whether a player is just a whale sweat or just a hacked client user.
Here’s my experience with actually distinguishing cheaters: stock cosmetics, taking no damage, *very* sus sniper usage, and inexorbitant amounts of damage/ kills.
Legends abilities have audio in this game? That's news to me lol. The chances that pathy legit heard that buzz is very low because it's almost inaudible
surprisingly, not many people know about this. even a decent amount of seer mains don't fully realize that they aren't as "silent" as they were lead to believe.
The cheaters that are obviously trying to show themselves as cheaters are just kids or trollers trying to get attention There's another side that's absolutely despicable though These are the closet cheaters, the type that deny they're cheating, and try to hide it as much as possible
that path on the roof was clearly not cheating man. if he was cheating he would have come around the corner of that vent with his gun out. he clearly was surprised and then pulled his gun out and shot you. he even backed up for a split second the moment he saw you. thats not something someone does that knows you are there.
That's his passive (heartbeat) and it works with or without a weapon. I'm not sure if people can hear the passive or just when he has his tactical out, but I want to say that people can hear his heartbeat sensor passive when in use
@@RabidChasebot Yes people can hear it, his passive makes a buzzing sound and the volume increases when he's closer. You won't really hear it during a fight but it gets prioritized over footsteps in many cases in my experience
Major flaw with this test. You can hear when a Seer is holding their scan as a higher pitched buzzing. Now, I'm not the most observant person in the world, but I'd like to think that I'd notice that buzz and try to find the seer scanning me
The only cheating I've seen this season is someone in duos beaming me from around 300 meters away with a devotion, zero misses, and all headshots. They did the same thing to everyone they ran across. Account-level 2. They got something around 30-40 kills.
Hey Merchent, next time you do this with Seer, don't have your gun out and just use your zoom key. That automatically pulls up his passive, without use of his tactical or his gun. Hope this helps since his tact makes noise.
@@DaddySolairee he was but he was holding down his tactical to use his passive, at 5:20 he says that he let go of the q button which is the button for seer's tactical
This bloopers reel reminded me of a moment of... non-brightness. A week or so ago I was playing as a Seer (ranked, gold II) and noticed a heartbeat just outside a building we were in. I pinged at the door, my teammates exited, I followed but stayed near the door, looking around trying to spot an enemy while my teammates went ahead. No less than whole 2 or 3 seconds later I realised that there was an enemy Wraith just standing RIGHT BESIDE me. Then they voided while I was taking out my gun and pinging in panic. I felt like a biggest and blindest fool in history
The Seer tactical has audio associated with it. I am aware when I am ratting if a Seer is nearby and they are ADSing. GM also ADSed. That would inform a sufficiently aware Wraith to be on the lookout. The only true way to test this is to remain completely motionless and not ADS.
As for the pathfinder, sometimes people do random things. For example, I just randomly stim as octane for fun sometimes and also randomly grapple as pathfinder when I'm very bored. It can also be a misinput as they aren't that uncommon. Either way, he could still be hacking. No one knows for sure
The amount of cheaters in ranked arena is way too high! It's nearly impossible to play ranked arenas without running into a cheater. My team Qd against the same cheater like 4 or 5 times in a row. I really hope respawn does something about it, and not only that; Apex needs a quality of life update. Servers are bad, audio is bad, and so many other things like no regs. I really like this game but lately it's been hard to enjoy playing.
This approach is flawed though since Seer makes a ton of noise while using his passive. The guy in the house you were on top of, heard the passive for sure. Makes more noise for others than it does for Seer himself.
@@javianbrown8627 Yeah, no kidding. I especially like how Respawn's solution to there not being enough audio channels to play all necessary sounds... was to make it so you don't hear teammate's gunshots at all if there's other things going on. Makes fights feel so awkward since you don't know of your teammate's are helping or not. Audio was absolutely better on launch than it is now... quite impressive how they managed that.
Ngl it happenes to me sometimes. The funniest one was I was chaising a bloodhound. I went up some stairs and I could not find him in the room. I was looking everywhere. My buddy comes in and lights him up. He was crouching in the middle of the room and didn't move a muscle. We all got a kick out of that.
I remember seeing a post of someone who said they got tired of cheaters in Battlefield and decided to do it themselves. One of the cheats was called "threat detection" which alerts you if someone is aiming at you. With that cheat he was able to discover that nearly every lobby had at least 1 cheater in it, because they would start aiming at him from across the map and through walls. Then there is the new cheats that are going to be coming around where you will basically point your smartphone at your screen and it will aim through it by inject mouse/keyboard inputs (think as a super aim assist). These will basically be entirely undetectable.
I used to closet cheat in season 6 and 7 (yes I know I'm a bad person). Took me 5 months to get banned using a free cheat I found on one of the more popular sites to find free cheats. It used a new driver method (delivery of the cheat to the game) that apparently took Easy Anti-Cheat a long time to figure out. It started out as using wallhacks only, then I started using an aimbot that didn't snap, it just kind of magnets your aim towards the enemy and you still had some control over the aim. Part of the cheat also disabled the aimbot automatically if you were being spectated by teammates or enemies. I would do things purposely like allow the aimbot to pull to an enemy, but pull my mouse the opposite direction so it would miss shots. I never looked at anyone through walls, I made sure it was possible for me to actually have location info without cheating. I think in the 5 months, I maybe slipped up 2 times but I wasn't being spectated either time. Not everyone cheats with the intent of malice, some people just want to either appear better than they are or impress their friends. Some are just really bad and want to know what it feels like to be good. It feels pretty good to play with friends and constantly be told how good you are, it's an ego boost and becomes addictive. I talked to friends on discord for hours a day for years, it wasn't really an attention thing for me. They still don't know I cheated to this day, but after I was banned, I created a new account and now have around 2000 hours without cheating. The highest rank I've reached now is Master. I was never particularly bad at the game, I've played shooters for years and have probably 8000 hours or more in them, but I've always looked for an edge to make up for the devotion the best players have to one game or type to master it. It's not really as black and white as everyone cheats to ruin the game for others (although that is a byproduct of cheating in general) or does it for attention.
I remember that one time I was afk in a building in KC, I was completely alone until this Octane came in and immediately shot me in the head killing me. I laughed so hard
Just the other day i encountered a lvl 29 with a 4k damage and 20 kill badge. There are cheaters but 2 hours isn't enough time to find a bunch of cheaters
I find most accusations of hacking can be explained by The Dunning-Kruger effect. I think the state of the game is in a healthy spot with a normal level of cheaters that you would find in most other games which are relatively low. When people spectate another person who they believe is actively trying to hide their cheats are also biased by wanting to believe anything that would prove their assumption. Even if what they witness was legitimate skill (audio-based reasoning where someone is located) or dumb luck (flick shots that just happen to hit). There are a lot of competitive-minded players of all skill levels. When you lose it's much easier to blame someone else rather than yourself.
I honestly can't accept that statement as fact as you've given no proof. That is the whole problem with this conversation. There is no way to prove a true percentage of cheaters. IMO if 50% of the player base was cheating Apex would not be fun or even winnable for honest players. You would be so overwhelmingly handicapped that luck would be the only way to win.
@longhiliverocknroll Curious if it'll ever see the light of day. Problem is would likely require spooling up a second game instance. I don't think Respawn wants us to have access to the game simulation software (evident by the solo firing range instance still being an online lobby). So it would mean that every time someone dies and requests a killer-cam, they'd have to spool up an extra server-side game instance to simulate the replay for you. So instead of one lobby, they'd have to be ready to produce 61 lobbies per game. (59 dead people + the actual match, and one extra in case the winning player also somehow dies xD) Games like Call of Duty have historically had single-player campaigns and their multiplayer operated on peer-to-peer network solutions. All this to say they already loaded the simulation software onto our machines. So they have nothing to lose. Final note, why is giving us game simulation a problem? - It's easier for people reverse engineer the existing simulation software to create private servers as opposed to being forced to make it from scratch.
@longhiliverocknroll doing that would be bad imagine your get sniped and killed your entire team knows what gun and the position of the enemy team is using
I love the parts where people just walk right by you and don't see you. I have made several videos about that. They are just so focused on what they are doing they are not looking around.
At longer ranges a lot of cover doesn't properly render in, which makes it seem like people are wallhacking when really its just that their game isn't loading the cover you are hiding behind properly. The LOD model the game loads in is often very differently shaped which makes you very visible to other players when it seems like only your head is peaking out.
Something some people forget is that seer can use his passive even without a weapon, you just simply use your aim button to activate the heartbeat sensor, you dont have to hold the tactical button to use the sensor
I was once accused of hacking and got reported. I was then temporarily banned!! I’m not even that good at the game anymore as I’ve started to play destiny 2 again! 🤦♀️
Thereʻs a few things about this, seer makes noise while using his tactical, there couldʻve been other seers/valks that revealed you, and pathfinder was trying to escape those enemies at the start.
I'm surprised there was a whole squad that was friendly. I tried playing some games as Mirage to do some harmless bamboozling, and man people are not friendly, even when you drop some heals for them they instantly shoot you when they know you're not a decoy.
The most common cheaters I come across are wall hackers and aimbot. There's times where there's no possible way people could know where I am without wall hacks and yet they grapple onto me looking directly where I am pre firing the corner when they haven't even seen me that specific match. While I don't see them every game I do come across at least 1 person per time of playing that's potentially hacking. If this game had a GOD DAMN THEATER MODE then we could easily find cheaters by watching other people's POVs from specific matches instead of just spectating a specific person that killed you.
This is why I think they should add a killcam or something. When you get killed, it should rewind to about 5 seconds before you got downed and play out the footage till your death. Making it skipabale of course. Though I'm not sure how this would affect game preformance since I'm not very tech sauvy.
I've often been absolutely destroyed by people where they basically don't miss a single shot when I would have thought I'd been moving in a way or were far enough away that it would be very difficult for them to hit me. I fully accept that there are people who are leagues above me in terms of skill and I will never be that good because I don't play this for a living but sometimes when I get decimated that badly, it makes me wish that Apex had a killcam so that I could rewatch their POV after my death. If I report people in this game, 9 out of 10 times it'll be my teammates for some sort of griefing or toxicity, instead of reporting a player that killed me because I thought they were cheating, because normally to determine if someone is cheating after they've killed you, you'd have to spectate them and then make a decision based on spectator mode, which never actually shows their POV accurately due to lag. Also sometimes if I do decide to spectate a suspected cheater, I might have to sit and wait a few minutes before they even get into another fight. I just think it would be nice to try and judge if a hacker killed you by watching a killcam instead
As someone that camps their way up to second place constantly. Only two sounds bug me the sound of bloodhound and the sound of footsteps not going away when ya hidden in the corner of the map in the storm but the amount of cheaters in this game is on another level
reminds me how one time we are fighting outside the arcadia supercarrier (the fences towards the slope next to pathfinder fight night arena), after like 2~3 fights (3rd party 4th party) and while healing up i saw this pathfinder just sneaking on the slope. panic pinged "enemy here" and they died to my teammates.
When you crouch repeatedly it either means you're a friendly,or at end game that you may want to box it out and drop all your loot. They wanted to be your friends,they kept crouching and not shooting.
When you move while crouching you make the same level of noise as if you're running around for other players, it only sounds silent on your own side. Only if you sit completely still and don't move, don't pull guns out etc are you truly silent.
Cheating softwares get very advanced nowadays, up tot he point where they automatically turn off if someone starts spectating you. Had some fun while checking on a guy who shredded me with 8 Devo headshots in a row, he started missing badly just the next gunfight.
Most cheaters are using limited range wallhacks and aimbots with small activation cones. It’s all about looking legit as possible. OW had a huge problem with high ranked players doing this. There’s lots of players that are very skilled and just looking for a slight edge. How many times have you missed one shot by a pixel or two? I’ve noticed that cheaters definitely toggle them off when you spectate them, even in ranked. There’s cheats to let them know who’s spectating.
If you have your weapon holstered and you press right click (or ADS) it will pull up his heartbeat scanner with no Q ability holding required. Love ya merchant
After 1 year of playing I think I saw my first two cheaters in apex this season! I was playing against and winning a platin match against a team were the server crashed when we knocked two of them in the last ring and I had a wraith level 20 in gold lobbies that had 16 kills and he was talking like he knew were people were... "I think I saw someone landing right here - he said" I was like: Yeah they are probably looting launchpad and gonna push us soon! "All dead he said, killed 3."
As a former admin and cheathunter in cs 1.6, I can spot at about 3-6 sure cheaters a week, and I'm not counting completely obvious 360 headshot beaming cheaters, those are actually extremely rare in my experience
I'm pretty sure you know but if you hold your ADS button while you have your melee/hands out you get the seer passive. Just seemed better than holding your Q.
How I report wall hacks is the same, I just stay where no one will ever know. First to come up there and starts shooting gets reported. The only problem with that idea is, what if the cheater only pinged the location.
don't hide in corners and obivious place, personally i always check room and corners, it is obivious spot, go hide like taxi does, ratting on something unseen
"this player mysteriously grappled onto the roof even though there was no reason to do so" when i play pathfinder i grapple onto roofs all the time because, y'know, high ground. vantage point.
You know enemies can hear your heartbeat sensor right? The closer you are the louder it is. As for the number of cheaters, that depends on lobbies (sbmm) rank, and even platform. Console has a whole mod community and they're undetectable and subtle
The highest chance you'll find a cheater is in a ranked game, and not in duos especially in the servers you play in. I myself have played in your servers which is either Hong Kong or Taiwan (seeing that some of the names in the killfeed have chinese symbols). I rarely find cheaters in pubs but occasionally come across them in ranked
Cheaters being less likely this season makes a lot of sense cause they recently moved things server side instead of client side like it was previously (and for those asking how I know, the size of the game says it all, they dropped 40 GB's this season)
In my time playing Apex only experienced one blantant cheater thus far, A mofo through Bangalore smoke, using a pre buff Lstar, 7 headshot me in a row.
Much as one hates to admit it, there are probably far fewer cheaters in lobbies than we all suspect. The combination of luck, aim assist on controllers and skill means it's easy to be suspicious quite often. Generally, though, once you actually follow a player for a while it's pretty obvious that most aren't, and even the sneaky ones soon reveal themselves quite clearly.
You make a buzzing sound when using your ability as Seer. Its pretty loud as well. In a quite environment, it's very noticeable.. But I do agree with you, so many people cheating in the game and let their stats fool others...
i did this all the time in Titanfall. Suspected a wallhacker. Hid and set a trap to get footage. And when i uploaded the footage i still had people telling me: "He heard you walking through the wall" "He just knows people spawn there and checked" On the one hand people will defend the most blatant obvious hacks and on the other accuse you for the most benign flicks or predictions.
People tend to be quick to say someone isn't hacking for 2 reasons
1. They hear accusations of hacking semi frequently because ego can't let someone say they lost the 1v1
2. Because they see foolish accusations like the one you described so they're more quick to say something isn't a hack
It's a weird state of affairs really because unless its very obvious it's almost impossible to know for sure.
Monkey still salty about that flick hahaha
@@maxl8623 yeah. In Bad business (a popular FPS on roblox) I find cheaters in every other match. This is because of many reasons such as poor ROBLOX cheat client security and such, but that’s not my point. I’d say I’m pretty experienced with cheaters because of this and sometimes it’s pretty hard to tell whether a player is just a whale sweat or just a hacked client user.
Here’s my experience with actually distinguishing cheaters: stock cosmetics, taking no damage, *very* sus sniper usage, and inexorbitant amounts of damage/ kills.
Truth is shrouded in mist
The Pathfinder that grappled to the roof probably heard you. You make a buzzing sound when using your ability as Seer that other players can hear.
True
yeah but its strange how accurate his sense of sound is in a game like apex yet he manages to just walk into 2 grenades and move like an absolute bot
Legends abilities have audio in this game? That's news to me lol. The chances that pathy legit heard that buzz is very low because it's almost inaudible
surprisingly, not many people know about this. even a decent amount of seer mains don't fully
realize that they aren't as "silent" as they were lead to believe.
@@atomic_hok you need a better headset mate
Merchant: I have mastered the art of standing so incredibly still, that I become invisible to the eye
(Munch)
That part definitely shows that people don't look for players, but look for player motion.
@@freewyvern707 Apex players are T-Rex confirmed
Warzone players feel this🤣
drax be like:
Fun fact for those who didn’t know: you can tell a players health by how fast their heart beats, the faster it is the less health.
Didn’t ask
@@Uncharted8907 wow that's so funny
@@galdento2808 you were supposed to keep the chain going smh
Did ask, don't care
Doesn't work with shields
The cheaters that are obviously trying to show themselves as cheaters are just kids or trollers trying to get attention
There's another side that's absolutely despicable though
These are the closet cheaters, the type that deny they're cheating, and try to hide it as much as possible
It's even worse on console because you never know if people are using a strike pack or not.
@@ares1158 what is a strike pack?
@@The-Blue-Knight No recoil on weapons for controller
@@ares1158 Strike Pack players deserve to be banned.
@@key81885 that's a thing? I thought you cant hack on console
that path on the roof was clearly not cheating man. if he was cheating he would have come around the corner of that vent with his gun out. he clearly was surprised and then pulled his gun out and shot you. he even backed up for a split second the moment he saw you. thats not something someone does that knows you are there.
Plus the seer tactical is audible, it's buggy but I can consistently hear it if there isn't too much noise around (like in this case).
4:30 dude kinda looks like he was looking trough walls here
edit: it's 3:40, my bad
@@rokesnow97 he is looking through walls......seer can see heartbeats through walls.....
@@Sirmellowman i was talking about the pathfinder not TGM????
did u even look at my timestamp?
@@rokesnow97 yes I did. You clearly didn't look at your own time stamp. That path is no where near 4:30
From this video I have learned that all Apex players vision is based on movement.
Note for next time! If you aren’t holding a weapon with seer and right-click, you can use his tactical without accidentally letting go of Q!
That's his passive (heartbeat) and it works with or without a weapon. I'm not sure if people can hear the passive or just when he has his tactical out, but I want to say that people can hear his heartbeat sensor passive when in use
@@RabidChasebot Yes people can hear it, his passive makes a buzzing sound and the volume increases when he's closer. You won't really hear it during a fight but it gets prioritized over footsteps in many cases in my experience
Major flaw with this test. You can hear when a Seer is holding their scan as a higher pitched buzzing. Now, I'm not the most observant person in the world, but I'd like to think that I'd notice that buzz and try to find the seer scanning me
The only cheating I've seen this season is someone in duos beaming me from around 300 meters away with a devotion, zero misses, and all headshots. They did the same thing to everyone they ran across. Account-level 2. They got something around 30-40 kills.
Hey Merchent, next time you do this with Seer, don't have your gun out and just use your zoom key. That automatically pulls up his passive, without use of his tactical or his gun. Hope this helps since his tact makes noise.
M2 or aim-key does the same thing with no weapon out.
I'm actually shocked he doesn't know about that
@@chippy3901 or y'know he forgot
Did any of you watch the video his hands are out multiple times he did it with sights for zoom. Gawd freakin idiots
he was using his passive
@@DaddySolairee he was but he was holding down his tactical to use his passive, at 5:20 he says that he let go of the q button which is the button for seer's tactical
I should mention that you can hear seers heartbeats when he's using his passive, so it also gives you away 🤷♂️
This bloopers reel reminded me of a moment of... non-brightness.
A week or so ago I was playing as a Seer (ranked, gold II) and noticed a heartbeat just outside a building we were in. I pinged at the door, my teammates exited, I followed but stayed near the door, looking around trying to spot an enemy while my teammates went ahead. No less than whole 2 or 3 seconds later I realised that there was an enemy Wraith just standing RIGHT BESIDE me. Then they voided while I was taking out my gun and pinging in panic.
I felt like a biggest and blindest fool in history
Freindly rat neighbour xD
The Seer tactical has audio associated with it. I am aware when I am ratting if a Seer is nearby and they are ADSing. GM also ADSed. That would inform a sufficiently aware Wraith to be on the lookout. The only true way to test this is to remain completely motionless and not ADS.
The thing is though, Seer's passive has some sound when near him, and that's what gave away his position, or I would be dead in a game I played.
As for the pathfinder, sometimes people do random things. For example, I just randomly stim as octane for fun sometimes and also randomly grapple as pathfinder when I'm very bored. It can also be a misinput as they aren't that uncommon. Either way, he could still be hacking. No one knows for sure
Yeah the whole experiment is flawed because the Seer tactical makes noise.
That's why you can toggle it off by the way.
A genius cheater would play Seer with wall hacks, they'd never be suspected
The amount of cheaters in ranked arena is way too high! It's nearly impossible to play ranked arenas without running into a cheater. My team Qd against the same cheater like 4 or 5 times in a row. I really hope respawn does something about it, and not only that; Apex needs a quality of life update. Servers are bad, audio is bad, and so many other things like no regs. I really like this game but lately it's been hard to enjoy playing.
We have video proof of the cheaters we play against btw.
I one got someone to one punch and when I punched them my punch somehow managed to no-reg! I lost the game due to that!
This approach is flawed though since Seer makes a ton of noise while using his passive. The guy in the house you were on top of, heard the passive for sure. Makes more noise for others than it does for Seer himself.
on top of that, the game sometimes prioritizes it over footsteps which is just bizarre (the audio priority was way worse when he just launched)
@@javianbrown8627 Yeah, no kidding. I especially like how Respawn's solution to there not being enough audio channels to play all necessary sounds... was to make it so you don't hear teammate's gunshots at all if there's other things going on. Makes fights feel so awkward since you don't know of your teammate's are helping or not. Audio was absolutely better on launch than it is now... quite impressive how they managed that.
I thought that Seer tactical only did the noise cus I never hear enemie seers when they are aiming with a weapon
Apex players are like T-Rexs, if you dont move they cant see you. They also have small arms.
Hey merchant, fun fact: seer is the only legend(so far) that can aim with his fist(P.S you can see heartbeats with his fist too)
I think he knows based on his previous Seer videos, even tho he doesn't do that in this video for some reason
Aiming down sights would activate Wraith's passive at any distance that's why he opted to use Seer's passive through his Q
@@coltonsawires5022 dude that’s so smart wtf lol
@@coltonsawires5022 oooooh
I think there are more officially blind players than there are cheaters
Lmao
Ngl it happenes to me sometimes.
The funniest one was I was chaising a bloodhound. I went up some stairs and I could not find him in the room. I was looking everywhere. My buddy comes in and lights him up. He was crouching in the middle of the room and didn't move a muscle. We all got a kick out of that.
I call them teammates
@@The-Blue-Knight a literally what one call “don’t move they only detect movement “
@@AlchemistV0NWalker yeah I felt like a dinosaur lol
2:37 Caustic comes back from the future 🤣🤣
Merchant, with Seer you can ADS with your fists out, it slightly zooms in and lets you use Seer's passive
I remember seeing a post of someone who said they got tired of cheaters in Battlefield and decided to do it themselves. One of the cheats was called "threat detection" which alerts you if someone is aiming at you. With that cheat he was able to discover that nearly every lobby had at least 1 cheater in it, because they would start aiming at him from across the map and through walls.
Then there is the new cheats that are going to be coming around where you will basically point your smartphone at your screen and it will aim through it by inject mouse/keyboard inputs (think as a super aim assist). These will basically be entirely undetectable.
One of the most used cheats are no recoil mods. I think this is more commonly used than people want to admit.
@Charles Brooks - Don’t trip im about to order one 😭
the beginning killed me 💀 I wish I could find such cool people who don't shoot and just hang around despite being on another squad
I used to closet cheat in season 6 and 7 (yes I know I'm a bad person). Took me 5 months to get banned using a free cheat I found on one of the more popular sites to find free cheats. It used a new driver method (delivery of the cheat to the game) that apparently took Easy Anti-Cheat a long time to figure out. It started out as using wallhacks only, then I started using an aimbot that didn't snap, it just kind of magnets your aim towards the enemy and you still had some control over the aim. Part of the cheat also disabled the aimbot automatically if you were being spectated by teammates or enemies. I would do things purposely like allow the aimbot to pull to an enemy, but pull my mouse the opposite direction so it would miss shots. I never looked at anyone through walls, I made sure it was possible for me to actually have location info without cheating. I think in the 5 months, I maybe slipped up 2 times but I wasn't being spectated either time.
Not everyone cheats with the intent of malice, some people just want to either appear better than they are or impress their friends. Some are just really bad and want to know what it feels like to be good. It feels pretty good to play with friends and constantly be told how good you are, it's an ego boost and becomes addictive. I talked to friends on discord for hours a day for years, it wasn't really an attention thing for me. They still don't know I cheated to this day, but after I was banned, I created a new account and now have around 2000 hours without cheating. The highest rank I've reached now is Master. I was never particularly bad at the game, I've played shooters for years and have probably 8000 hours or more in them, but I've always looked for an edge to make up for the devotion the best players have to one game or type to master it. It's not really as black and white as everyone cheats to ruin the game for others (although that is a byproduct of cheating in general) or does it for attention.
@1:25 this got me nostalgic remembering playing mirage and sitting in the hot tub on the mirage voyage.
I remember that one time I was afk in a building in KC, I was completely alone until this Octane came in and immediately shot me in the head killing me. I laughed so hard
I have used your tip from a previous video, just stay still, and become “invisible”. I was/am absolutely astounded by how well it works.
Just the other day i encountered a lvl 29 with a 4k damage and 20 kill badge. There are cheaters but 2 hours isn't enough time to find a bunch of cheaters
Could be a smurf
all of my alts have 4k 20b its nit hard to get when the gets dont shoot back
I find most accusations of hacking can be explained by The Dunning-Kruger effect. I think the state of the game is in a healthy spot with a normal level of cheaters that you would find in most other games which are relatively low. When people spectate another person who they believe is actively trying to hide their cheats are also biased by wanting to believe anything that would prove their assumption. Even if what they witness was legitimate skill (audio-based reasoning where someone is located) or dumb luck (flick shots that just happen to hit).
There are a lot of competitive-minded players of all skill levels. When you lose it's much easier to blame someone else rather than yourself.
Good speech. Nice philosophy.
But 50% or more of the player base oa cheating. And thats facts.
I honestly can't accept that statement as fact as you've given no proof. That is the whole problem with this conversation. There is no way to prove a true percentage of cheaters.
IMO if 50% of the player base was cheating Apex would not be fun or even winnable for honest players. You would be so overwhelmingly handicapped that luck would be the only way to win.
I would love to see other people’s POVs when you’ re standing still and using the ability
@longhiliverocknroll Curious if it'll ever see the light of day.
Problem is would likely require spooling up a second game instance. I don't think Respawn wants us to have access to the game simulation software (evident by the solo firing range instance still being an online lobby). So it would mean that every time someone dies and requests a killer-cam, they'd have to spool up an extra server-side game instance to simulate the replay for you. So instead of one lobby, they'd have to be ready to produce 61 lobbies per game. (59 dead people + the actual match, and one extra in case the winning player also somehow dies xD)
Games like Call of Duty have historically had single-player campaigns and their multiplayer operated on peer-to-peer network solutions. All this to say they already loaded the simulation software onto our machines. So they have nothing to lose.
Final note, why is giving us game simulation a problem? - It's easier for people reverse engineer the existing simulation software to create private servers as opposed to being forced to make it from scratch.
@longhiliverocknroll doing that would be bad imagine your get sniped and killed your entire team knows what gun and the position of the enemy team is using
@@kindasuspfppic5888 Then they should do it when the entire squad is eliminated and lost.
I love the parts where people just walk right by you and don't see you. I have made several videos about that. They are just so focused on what they are doing they are not looking around.
At longer ranges a lot of cover doesn't properly render in, which makes it seem like people are wallhacking when really its just that their game isn't loading the cover you are hiding behind properly. The LOD model the game loads in is often very differently shaped which makes you very visible to other players when it seems like only your head is peaking out.
Lwt’s just say as a diamond player, cheaters are like my mom asking me to do chores, they never stop.
Something some people forget is that seer can use his passive even without a weapon, you just simply use your aim button to activate the heartbeat sensor, you dont have to hold the tactical button to use the sensor
I was once accused of hacking and got reported. I was then temporarily banned!! I’m not even that good at the game anymore as I’ve started to play destiny 2 again! 🤦♀️
Tbh first pathfinder looked like he accidentally came across you more then hunted you down
This video should be renamed to "Seer ominously stalking oblivious players"
YOu can do the Heart Scan without holding cue. As you see it works when you ADS. it also works when you hold right mouse button when empty-handed
"I have mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still, i have become invisible to the naked eye."
I understand why you didnt do this in ranked but i'm willing to bet more cheaters are in ranked this pubs
a little tip, you dont need to hold down the Q button, you can just have your fists out and just hold the aim button, and you will have seer's passive
1:30 "he afk, not a threat" yeah respect
Thereʻs a few things about this, seer makes noise while using his tactical, there couldʻve been other seers/valks that revealed you, and pathfinder was trying to escape those enemies at the start.
2:25 This was me and my friend the wraith it was so funny he got jump scared and screamed LMAO 😂
I have noticed that people in apex are a lot like the T-Rex, if you stay absolutely still they can not see you.
Anytime one of my friends rat; im always surprised how standing completely still can work more often than we think.
You'd be surprised by how many times I've stood still and people have walked pass me it's like standing still makes you invisible
I'm surprised there was a whole squad that was friendly. I tried playing some games as Mirage to do some harmless bamboozling, and man people are not friendly, even when you drop some heals for them they instantly shoot you when they know you're not a decoy.
"I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still, that I become invisible to the eye. Watch."
-Drax the Destroyer guardians of the galaxy -
The most common cheaters I come across are wall hackers and aimbot. There's times where there's no possible way people could know where I am without wall hacks and yet they grapple onto me looking directly where I am pre firing the corner when they haven't even seen me that specific match. While I don't see them every game I do come across at least 1 person per time of playing that's potentially hacking. If this game had a GOD DAMN THEATER MODE then we could easily find cheaters by watching other people's POVs from specific matches instead of just spectating a specific person that killed you.
That's fair, we do need a theatre mode or at least a kill cam
This is why I think they should add a killcam or something. When you get killed, it should rewind to about 5 seconds before you got downed and play out the footage till your death. Making it skipabale of course. Though I'm not sure how this would affect game preformance since I'm not very tech sauvy.
gaming merchant was like : I’ve mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still,That I become invisible to the eye
I've often been absolutely destroyed by people where they basically don't miss a single shot when I would have thought I'd been moving in a way or were far enough away that it would be very difficult for them to hit me. I fully accept that there are people who are leagues above me in terms of skill and I will never be that good because I don't play this for a living but sometimes when I get decimated that badly, it makes me wish that Apex had a killcam so that I could rewatch their POV after my death. If I report people in this game, 9 out of 10 times it'll be my teammates for some sort of griefing or toxicity, instead of reporting a player that killed me because I thought they were cheating, because normally to determine if someone is cheating after they've killed you, you'd have to spectate them and then make a decision based on spectator mode, which never actually shows their POV accurately due to lag. Also sometimes if I do decide to spectate a suspected cheater, I might have to sit and wait a few minutes before they even get into another fight. I just think it would be nice to try and judge if a hacker killed you by watching a killcam instead
I swear I met more friendly people as you did at the start of your video on PC than on Xbox/PlayStation
Truly apex players are dinosaurs, if you stand still they can't see you. 🤣
New to seer but you can actually toggle the heartbeat sensor without using the tactical just by pressing the ads button with no weapon equipped
As someone that camps their way up to second place constantly. Only two sounds bug me the sound of bloodhound and the sound of footsteps not going away when ya hidden in the corner of the map in the storm but the amount of cheaters in this game is on another level
I've seen very little to no outright cheating this season, even in ranked, but the DDOS-ing is crazy.
I think its wholesome that during the bloopers those two players didnt shoot you
"I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still that I become invisible to the eye."
-Drax
I hope you know seer makes a noice when he is using his "wall hacks"
1:16 - 2:31
thing is
while playing apex
if you stand completly still or crouch spam
60% of the times the enemy's become your friends
reminds me how one time we are fighting outside the arcadia supercarrier (the fences towards the slope next to pathfinder fight night arena), after like 2~3 fights (3rd party 4th party) and while healing up i saw this pathfinder just sneaking on the slope. panic pinged "enemy here" and they died to my teammates.
When you crouch repeatedly it either means you're a friendly,or at end game that you may want to box it out and drop all your loot. They wanted to be your friends,they kept crouching and not shooting.
When you move while crouching you make the same level of noise as if you're running around for other players, it only sounds silent on your own side.
Only if you sit completely still and don't move, don't pull guns out etc are you truly silent.
Cheating softwares get very advanced nowadays, up tot he point where they automatically turn off if someone starts spectating you. Had some fun while checking on a guy who shredded me with 8 Devo headshots in a row, he started missing badly just the next gunfight.
Apex players are like trex, you'd be surprised by how many people will run by you if you stand still
Most cheaters are using limited range wallhacks and aimbots with small activation cones. It’s all about looking legit as possible. OW had a huge problem with high ranked players doing this.
There’s lots of players that are very skilled and just looking for a slight edge. How many times have you missed one shot by a pixel or two?
I’ve noticed that cheaters definitely toggle them off when you spectate them, even in ranked. There’s cheats to let them know who’s spectating.
2:18 you getting those kinds of players is the real cheat here lol
Very interesting video. Really like it especially because this is sort of a mystery thing thats not so much talked about rationally. :))
If you have your weapon holstered and you press right click (or ADS) it will pull up his heartbeat scanner with no Q ability holding required. Love ya merchant
I love friendlies on Apex 2:21 , reminds of tf2
After 1 year of playing I think I saw my first two cheaters in apex this season! I was playing against and winning a platin match against a team were the server crashed when we knocked two of them in the last ring and I had a wraith level 20 in gold lobbies that had 16 kills and he was talking like he knew were people were... "I think I saw someone landing right here - he said" I was like: Yeah they are probably looting launchpad and gonna push us soon! "All dead he said, killed 3."
I hate cheaters, but I don't think I've come across many in Apex.
caustic welcoming you into a portal got me
As a former admin and cheathunter in cs 1.6, I can spot at about 3-6 sure cheaters a week, and I'm not counting completely obvious 360 headshot beaming cheaters, those are actually extremely rare in my experience
I'm pretty sure you know but if you hold your ADS button while you have your melee/hands out you get the seer passive. Just seemed better than holding your Q.
What wS with that first blooper game, haha. I love it!
I love joke vids like this keep up the work merchant love your content and hope you're doing well
How I report wall hacks is the same, I just stay where no one will ever know. First to come up there and starts shooting gets reported. The only problem with that idea is, what if the cheater only pinged the location.
Tip: you don’t have to press Q and hold, just chick the aim button of the mouse without a weapon on your hands.
don't hide in corners and obivious place, personally i always check room and corners, it is obivious spot, go hide like taxi does, ratting on something unseen
It’s like you’ve never actually played the game..you just have no idea.
"this player mysteriously grappled onto the roof even though there was no reason to do so"
when i play pathfinder i grapple onto roofs all the time because, y'know, high ground. vantage point.
I think I learned 1 thing from this video, normal players can't see you if you stay still
You know enemies can hear your heartbeat sensor right? The closer you are the louder it is. As for the number of cheaters, that depends on lobbies (sbmm) rank, and even platform. Console has a whole mod community and they're undetectable and subtle
The highest chance you'll find a cheater is in a ranked game, and not in duos especially in the servers you play in. I myself have played in your servers which is either Hong Kong or Taiwan (seeing that some of the names in the killfeed have chinese symbols). I rarely find cheaters in pubs but occasionally come across them in ranked
Cheaters being less likely this season makes a lot of sense cause they recently moved things server side instead of client side like it was previously (and for those asking how I know, the size of the game says it all, they dropped 40 GB's this season)
Apex players are like T-rex's if you don't move they can't see you lmao
It is like they knew you was trying to catch them so they pretended you didn't exist!
In my time playing Apex only experienced one blantant cheater thus far, A mofo through Bangalore smoke, using a pre buff Lstar, 7 headshot me in a row.
Much as one hates to admit it, there are probably far fewer cheaters in lobbies than we all suspect. The combination of luck, aim assist on controllers and skill means it's easy to be suspicious quite often. Generally, though, once you actually follow a player for a while it's pretty obvious that most aren't, and even the sneaky ones soon reveal themselves quite clearly.
Maybe they can hear seers little metal bugs when it’s super quiet?
You make a buzzing sound when using your ability as Seer. Its pretty loud as well. In a quite environment, it's very noticeable.. But I do agree with you, so many people cheating in the game and let their stats fool others...
You could if just held down right click, doesn't make sound and isn't as risky