To all people arguing about the "innacuracy" of this test, you are missing some points of the video. 1- This test *isn't* only about the absolute performance of both steering wheel and controller. 2- This test wants to show the *ease of driving* of both supports *in few laps*, so which one is the best to drive. 3- I have 20 years of experience with controller and 5 with steering wheel. Just in the 1st case I was faster with controller, but it's just a particular case. In the other examples I was faster with steering wheel: that proves even if I have more experience with controller, the car is easier to drive (and faster) with steering wheel. 4- I think there should be a mutual respect between pad drivers and steering wheel drivers. Just because someone prefers to play racing games with pad, doesn't mean he's a "noob". Of course, racing sims, are meant to be played with steering wheels because they want to simulate the reality. But for some people, the steering wheel represents an important investment that they can't afford for economic reasons. This is the main reason why I called this video "the (in)famous battle". 5- I like critics, since they help me to make better videos for your entertainment, but please: don't be that superficial on analyzing this test. Thank you for your comprehension.
viperconcept Thanks to you to have explained the true sense of the video. P.S. Non per criticare, per l'amor di dio, so che sei multi etnico e quindi mantenere le lingue al loro posto risulta un problemaccio ma ti consiglio di rileggere i testi che scrivi, prima di pubblicarli,..A Volte la tua grammatica inglese Vacilla.
For me it is the space.. i have no space in my room to study on my desk when in have a wheel mounted. Plus the fact i need a good chair otherwise it is moving around alot when braking.
@DESTROYER67732 yes that makes sence. I used to do that with towels and then put heavy boxes around the wheels so my chair wouldnt move. do you know if there are racing chairs that you can connect to the ground so it wont move all the time?
@@ensirinsey6871 dude I wud think mouse sensitivity for steering would beat some ass. I always wondered if that was allowed. Take a first person shooter for example... A mouse dominates. Flick of the wrist...or as ACDC says flick of a switch lol
With a wheel you can hold a racing line way more easily and you don't accidentally bump into other Cars because of constant corrections on a stick. It's a lot more natural movement.
When you have tried steering wheels, you will never come back to pad. There is no big différences in terms of speed and control, but a steering is way more immersive.
p.s a lot depends on your setting... a powerful car and no traction control and abs will hurt when doing it with a pad and steering is smoother then because of the better control of the throttle
Like many, I've used both, for years at a time, and I can say, unequivocably, that the combination of wheel with paddle shifter and pedals, increased my lap times considerably, at times as much as 10%. The difference was that more precisely graduated handling gave me a more accurately controlled turn and let me ride the proper apexes much easier, tire wear was massively reduced because I wasn't jogging the stick, the paddle shifter was faster than the stick with zero mis-shifts, and I was always in the correct power band with the manual transmission for maximum acceleration exactly when and where I needed it. Maybe some people do better with controllers, but when it comes to performance, for me, the winner is the wheel and pedals.
the thing about using a wheel is that its easier to follow the racing line as it offers much more precise control over the vehicle, whereas a controller, you have to make very small inputs which is difficult enough. However it is also made worse by the size of ones hands, dexterity in their fingers or even the controller vibration.
+Sassy The Sasquatch disclaimer - i play LFS not AC - but the whole setup was install driver and map buttons and axis (because the wheel is old and isn't) plug and play. Not sure what lengthy setting up you're talking about
The reason I bought the G29 was to improve my laptimes and have a better experience while playing. Actually I wasn't able to beat all my laptimes with the wheel, but it feels way better. I can feel the handling of the car now. And for the first time I can handle cars like the Red Bull Prototype from GT6 for example. I couldn't controll them with the pad. PS: I really like your videos, viperconcept. I've seen your footwork on an other video. Could you explain in a video what you are doing there and what it's for?
ChilloutEDM Hehehe speaking of using g29 on Red Bull X2010, heh! that was way too hard and the feedback looks like my wheels going to crack up or BROKE
It is very important to be able to say that you have your own steering wheel and know how to handle it well, not just having tried it a few days. This is because the steering wheel mainly conveys unique sensations, and the pad does not. In terms of times I think they are the same, even playing with the keyboard in many games gives equal times. But what really makes a difference are the sensations.
1.) you were faster with the wheel in all 4 races, you just ran off the track in the first one 2.) car control is a considerable advantage in racing. The easier a car is to control the faster you can go. Nutshell: I agree that you can beat a steering wheel gamer on a pad because I’ve done it. But the advantage IS clearly steering wheel because you have better car control not because of a clutch or shifter, you were still faster in the first race with the sequential gearbox w/ auto clutch. It’s all on car control, the wheel gives you better feel and control as opposed to an analog stick. That’s kinda why they made racing wheels. Not just so you could feel like you’re in a real race car
With practice the wheel is much better. You have a half inch of thumb stick on a controller. The wheel is much more precise allowing far greater consistency in lap times. There really is no comparison. Plus, the wheel gives you feedback on what the the car is doing as far as traction and suspension wise.
I qualified for GT Academy in 2014, using the gamepad. On the final day of qualifying......i thought i'd give the wheel a shot, at my cousins place. I ended up being 1.5 secs slower. But in 2015.....i got myself an entry level DFGT wheel and with some getting used to......i was able to destroy every gamepad lap record i had set on GT6. Not only did i qualify for the GT Academy nationals that year, but also made it to Race Camp (Silverstone). A few things that i noticed along the way, was that the different between the pad and the wheel depends on the kind of car you choose and the number of driving assists that are enabled. U might not notice a huge difference when driving an R35 on Racing Softs, with all assists enabled.......but switch to a RUF BTR 86 on Sports Hard, with everything disabled and you will realise the potential of a wheel. Gamepads can be competitive......but only under certain conditions.
idem for Forza 7,thinked and developped for analog gamepad(xbox one controller to have rumble force on analog triggers),but prefer my wheel on Project Cars,Dirt Rally,F1 series all years,R07 ect...
I can't afford to get a wheel. It's just not my priority, there are other things I need to buy/pay for. I know people take sim racing very seriously, but it's just a videogame to me and I treat it as such. So yeah, pad is more than enough for me to have fun.
But if you dont take it really seriously you dont need super expensive wheel. G29 or g920 if you play on xbox are not super expensive. I bought g920 for 190€ and few months later H-shifter for 40€ and that is much better than playing on gamepad. Off course it also depands of country you live, because if it is not expensive for someone who lives in UK or Germany it can be super expensive for someone from Ukraine or White Russia.
@@sarenrap Electronics here in Brazil are extremely expensive. A G29 costs about the same as my PC. Not a price I'm willing to pay for something I play like twice a month
@@ElShogoso Ok as i said it depands on where you live. Im from Poland so its not very bad, but also not very good. I have 800€/month from my job, and i as i said i paid 230€ (with h-shifter). But then people in UK have 2000€/month so for this people is super cheap. I dont know too much about south america, but i can imagine for Ukraine people is almost impossible to buy it because they are very poor country (150-300€/month when 300€ in Ukraine is only if you have very good job, i think most of them have something like 200€ in Poland there is a lot of Ukrainians so i know it because they said me why they want to work in Poland)
@@sarenrap I'm not really gonna disclose my monthly income but let's just say, I *could* get a wheel if that was something I considered important, but for me, it isn't. I have other bills to pay, and other things and hobbies which I'd rather spend money on. Whenever I see a Logitech wheel, I also think of sound or musical equipment I could get with that money instead, or hell, stuff for my real car, which are all things that are going to entertain me more in the long run. So again, pad is enough for me. I have fun playing with it.
It`s near impossible playing without driving aids and a gamepad...the cars are twitchy as fuck. Steering smoothly through a corner with (for example) a GT3 car a BMW Z4 or Aston Martin, just forget it I gave up on it to be honest ^^.
***** GT6 is the only "simulation" optimized for gamepads...PCARS is not. Which is a huge problem of PCARS because only a handfull can play it properly.
imo forza is really the only racing game I'd say feels great to use a gamepad. all other racing games are just to damn stiff or squirmy making constant little adjustments with a stick.
simpler if you're a kid that plays video games and don't drive cars. try putting an adult who doesn't play games to drive a pad then a wheel, see which is simpler for him.
La conclusion est la même que celle que j'ai observé dernièrement. Même avec de très bon réglages (sur GT6) le contrôle permanent de la voiture et la gestion de l'accélérateur restent deux choses difficiles à gérer au pad par rapport à un volant. Très bonne vidéo !
A wheel will always be faster. Your steering input can be much more gradual and smooth allowing to better choose your line and better control the car's weight transfer. The Clio lap was just a question of getting used to the car and setting up your sensitivities to match the Clio's driving style. Fortunately the general level of play in Project Cars online racing is not high enough to let the difference be substantial, from personal experience I can say that a pad is a perfectly reasonable alternative.
Peter Timowreef Wheel will always be faster if you lack input discipline. It's very game-dependent. For a game like Forza or Gran Turismo, a wheel will likely produce minimal, if any, advantage. For ultra-realistic sims, a wheel will produce marginal benefit -- But marginal is what separates 1st place from 5th place.
Adeum Deus input discipline or not, the space that a joystick can move in is just small and any human error will make you fuck up. there's a reason pro counter strike players use a very low sensitivity instead of a very high one. it compensates slightly for human error.
I think it's clear to anyone with a working brain that with enough practice playing with a pad can match performance of playing with a wheel. The difference is in the amount of practice needed, with a wheel (especially if you drive IRL) you can jump in an unfamiliar vehicle after just a few minutes of practice whereas with a pad you'll need to practice much longer to get that smooth control that you need if you want to go fast. The biggest thing is that a wheel allows much more precise and consistent control. So in longer races drivers that are using pads will gradually fall back or crash out - because it's easier to make a mistake when your lock-to-lock travel is an inch instead of 14+inches, all those tiny millisecond delays and mistakes add up eventually. If you just want to occasionally race around with some friends a pad will do fine, it's when you're looking for a higher level of performance or realism that you will need a wheel.
The thing with controller Vs wheel on most sims is that a wheel allows you to take off all the assists and still have a super easy learning curve because the openness of the wheel means that you don't have to move in micro movements to make the same adjustments you would have to make on a joystick.. and the pressure on the brakes have a lot more give than triggers on a controlller.. So the room for error is much bigger on a wheel than it is on a controller if you turn all assists off... and you usually find that racing on a controller with all assists off is just so ridiculous that 99% of the playerbase cannot do it, whereas any clown can go fast with assists off on a wheel. So wheels end up being 4 seconds a lap faster than the majority of controller users, because the majority of controller guys are still racing with assists on due to the ridiculous difficulty of using a controller with assists off.
That did make me laugh, but then I thought that if I was to lose an arm, it may well be the only way I could play games. Most other games would be out of the question, so a game with just 4 buttons would probably be good.
***** lmao always stay positive. honestly when im too lazy to play i just usw WASD + space + shift and play with only my left hand and i dont mind it. only for arcade racers tho. there are point and click adventures tho and old RPGs like fallout
srba filipovic That is very true. I know it was quite a random thought, most people don't think of losing an arm lol. I have seen some cool controllers for disabled people though, even so far as movement using their mouths with modified controllers. Pretty cool that people do make things so they can continue to play games.
The difference is the length of travel between a wheel and a pad. On a pad one has around 90 degrees of travel not incl in game steering ratio. On a wheel one has up to 900, again, not including in game steering ratio. Rule of thumb here is - at high speeds you don't want small inputs to have big consequences. But it's your choice. My opinion is - If the pad was that good, they'd be using it in the real world. There is a reason why we use the wheel.
Andy Miller i was just about to write the same. try to imagine a f1 driver or just a person in your city driving the car with a pad. so if cars are driven with a wheel it has its reason
@@madwarrior3771 yeah it's like OSU but the Cursor has a mind of it's own Edit : when you play keyboard and mouse switch to a more OSU control scheme (A is downshift, S for upshift, then mouse button as acceleration and brake)
A pad or a wheel is just a input device. The driver has to create the inputs. I would say whatever device you as a driver are more comfortable with will be faster for you.
I'm stuck with a controller for now due to a bad herniated disc. I can sit for half an hour to an hour a day otherwise I'm stuck on my back. I still want to pick up a wheel for that short period of time but I'm pretty sure any kind of FFB would fuck my back so hard. One day though after surgery I will have a sim rig.
Its always going to be personal preference. I've always used a controller until April when I bought a G29. I'm definitely MUCH better on the wheel, and faster than I was with the controller, but it depends on the game, too. I don't think anyone should bother with comparisons, try both and see what works for you.
You know what, even if I ended up slower I'll always play racing games with a wheel. Simply cos it feels better, and it's more involving. Because I'll never get to drive real GT3 cars, racing sims are the closest I'll get, so I'm damn well gonna use a wheel.
one thing the wheel adds is a higher level of immersion, like playing a shooting game with a controller or a gun, bot fun but one feels more real. anyway good vid
i think the main diference is that with the whell the driver could be constante,setting lap times almost identical every lap...and also less tire wear than the pad! and when the tires are in bad conditions with the whell its more easy to fell and control the car,thanks to the force feedback... so,this combo wins races...a pad could do same good laps,with short races,with good tires,but in medium range races or up,the whell destroys! ive experienced that in gt6 for example!
Renato Vieira De Miranda what a load of crap, been league racing for over 5 years, and I can easily say that with a pad you can be consistent, quick and have good tyre wear if you actually know how to race.
CDSMProductions Yeah I remember an Assetto Corsa world record set with a pad one time. It's all down to the driver understanding the car's behavior then he/she can be quick no matter the input device.
A wheel provides greater immersion, especially when coupled with VR, but I think a skilled pad user can compete just as well but it won't 'feel' like you are driving, it will feel more like a game. If you enjoy a pad then fine, if you want ultimate immersion use a wheel. I like using the steam controller's giro and VR, it's good enough!
I heard someone complain about the lack of mouse steering support in the early access of Assetto Corsa Competizione. Mouse. Steering. Why does no one talk about that?
The best comparison would be to run an actual race with each controller. Time trials are fine but you're the only car on the track. Put 30 other cars on the track with you and it totally changes the dynamics and I think the wheel will prove superior.
The joystick is the clear winner. It cost far less and you get similar lap times without getting tired. I personally think that people who buy a racing wheel (like me) don't simply want to race, they want the satisfaction to feel the car, to have an immersive experience.
What do you mean with "it costs far less" in my country at least a PS4 controller costs a bit more than a cheap wheel, sure, it's not as good as a g29, but after I bought mine and practiced with it for almost an hour i was already beating my previous records, it's way more precise even for a 90 degree cheap steering wheel
In order to make test results more accurate, do at least 5 laps on each around the same track with the same car and the same setup. Show the best of those 5 and then the average of these 5 and then you are left with results best laptime (avg laptime)
All is about practice but what Ive come to realise is that wheel kills it in consistency because its more comfortable...meaning in a 10 lap race for example...you surely can achieve a really good lap time with pad as well..but the rest will be average... whereas with wheel you can keep the same pace lap by lap by lap...or at least it will require less effort to do so...with pad you really struggle more.
the steering wheel is always going to be better than the controller because of one reason you can drive a lot smoother and a lot cleaner which allows you to get faster lap times simple
Xirpzy ikr, of vourse its important what lap times you do online because ypu want to grow and shit, but in the end its a game. and a game is about fun.
Dude, I tried playing with a wheel, it's awkward and dull, the wheels also have problem with the axis rotation. This is from a guy that played with both (me).
I’d recommend you use the thumb sticks when you drive. For me personally, I use (on PS4) L3 to steer and L4 to accelerate/decelerate. Shifting, I use L2/R2 to shift. Using the thumb sticks makes it easier for you to fine tune your steering (maybe not as much as a wheel) and the same for acceleration/deceleration.
Dont forget that you have a limit on how fast the wheels turn with a pad where with a wheel the car steer exactly as fast as you do. And the advantage you have with a wheel when drifting.
In all cases except the Bentley, with the wheel you seemed better able to stay on top of the car when it started fighting you, meaning you were better able to approach its limits and recover from mistakes. Pad driver was more cautious.
I'm an old fart and new to gaming consoles but I can tell that the future is VR. That means the subject motion has to be as smooth and linear as it can be to avoid motion sickness. Those jerky movements of the pad will be magnified on VR and will be problematic.
booper dooper virtually or real physics, racing is about who is the faster and the smoother, that's why Logitech machines (exp) are specialized for racing simulators
The wheel makes racing feel more legitimate, like if you are playing a fighter or shooter game and you use sensors or a dummy weapon. If you braking is good the wheel if most def better.
It depends. I have many hours on GT6 with a controller, and honestly my inputs are almost as smooth as wheel movements. I know how to countersteer, etc. all with only a pad. Ofcourse, a wheel is better for precise handling, but i've just gotten used to the pad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It very much depends on the game. Set aside the gearshift, which is a separate issue. If the game is an actual simulator, and thus simulates the contact of the wheels with the ground, the steering wheel has to be faster, because any jerky movements caused by usage of a pad of keys should slow the car down. Now, some games (notably GT, Forza) will smooth out the jerky action for you, because they value common gamer's satisfaction more than realism, so the issue becomes much more complex there.
flashpeter625 There is the fact that a full steering wheel, pedal and shifter setup are quite expensive. I would hardly fault anyone for playing on a gamepad.
Playing with a wheel kills my chance of a best lap time. Using a wheel is all about emersion for me. If I just want to blast around a track or improve on a lap time i will use the pad.
People say the pad is better than wheel cuz they can't afford a wheel. In conclusion the wheel is highly expensive, but the pad or controller is good to start with. Boom, there u go.
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To all people arguing about the "innacuracy" of this test, you are missing some points of the video.
1- This test *isn't* only about the absolute performance of both steering wheel and controller.
2- This test wants to show the *ease of driving* of both supports *in few laps*, so which one is the best to drive.
3- I have 20 years of experience with controller and 5 with steering wheel. Just in the 1st case I was faster with controller, but it's just a particular case. In the other examples I was faster with steering wheel: that proves even if I have more experience with controller, the car is easier to drive (and faster) with steering wheel.
4- I think there should be a mutual respect between pad drivers and steering wheel drivers. Just because someone prefers to play racing games with pad, doesn't mean he's a "noob". Of course, racing sims, are meant to be played with steering wheels because they want to simulate the reality. But for some people, the steering wheel represents an important investment that they can't afford for economic reasons. This is the main reason why I called this video "the (in)famous battle".
5- I like critics, since they help me to make better videos for your entertainment, but please: don't be that superficial on analyzing this test.
Thank you for your comprehension.
viperconcept Thanks to you to have explained the true sense of the video.
P.S. Non per criticare, per l'amor di dio, so che sei multi etnico e quindi mantenere le lingue al loro posto risulta un problemaccio ma ti consiglio di rileggere i testi che scrivi, prima di pubblicarli,..A Volte la tua grammatica inglese Vacilla.
Don't worry bro... People with wit got the point.
Redmailnet Like i said hours ago, Many people here didn't understand the motivations behind the video...Hope that they're get it, now...
viperconcept no worries, just one question. Have you tried manual w/ clutch on controller? And does Project cars offer Man w/ clutch on controller?
viperconcept thx for your vids i can learn a lot from them.
i cant go back to a pad. its just 100% more fun with a wheel.
Mystninja ikr
Mystninja I tried to hook my wheel,up and it wouldn't work ):
Mystninja driving experience over 9000
Simply Tuned What wheel do you have and what console (unless you use PC) do you use?
Jonan Turner Its a Microsoft wheel I tried using on my Xbox one while playing forza horizon 3 Idk how to set it up if thats what I had to do.
Yeh i can confirm, bought a wheel recently and i've won almost all the Mario Kart championships.
Muhe 95 Jesus Christ your expirence and skill must be reserved and kept in a secured area
Realism is the key they say... So that's why I drive with my keyboard.
Kurogane lol trolls be like
1:16 I did practice laps in order to get used to the braking zones.
1:29 *overshoots braking by a mile*
I guess the price of a wheel is what keeps some people from getting one.....it is in my case
you can buy second hand g27 for example and you have everything you need for good price
For me it is the space.. i have no space in my room to study on my desk when in have a wheel mounted. Plus the fact i need a good chair otherwise it is moving around alot when braking.
@DESTROYER67732 But how do you make sure it wont move all over the place when braking?
@DESTROYER67732 yes that makes sence. I used to do that with towels and then put heavy boxes around the wheels so my chair wouldnt move. do you know if there are racing chairs that you can connect to the ground so it wont move all the time?
Keyboard gamers - hold my beer
Do they have keyboards with touch sensitivity now days?
@@crazyeyedme4685 i use mouse for steering and i can do almost fastest lap on every race i been in assetto corsa
@@ensirinsey6871 dude I wud think mouse sensitivity for steering would beat some ass. I always wondered if that was allowed. Take a first person shooter for example... A mouse dominates.
Flick of the wrist...or as ACDC says flick of a switch lol
Steering wheel is better because you can drink coffee during a race!
Rob H have done this and it didnt end well. basicly one set of downshifts cost me a race AND I spilt my milkshake all over me
Wouldn't have happened if it was coffee
And scratch your balls.
With a wheel you can hold a racing line way more easily and you don't accidentally bump into other Cars because of constant corrections on a stick. It's a lot more natural movement.
U can also play a constant line on Controller like wtf
@@jasonburrell2940 3 years late my man
The best is keyboard
*everyone liked that*
Lol
Ehh. Let’s say “*NO*”
:D
nah its not
When you have tried steering wheels, you will never come back to pad. There is no big différences in terms of speed and control, but a steering is way more immersive.
@Danny Prince that's because you suck. Not the wheel's fault.
Personally I’ve only had a wheel for 2 days now. I’m faster with a controller but I’m having way more fun on the wheel
Keep practicing and you'll be better than you were with a controller.
Top professionals use keyboard
Leonaяdo DiCapяio yeah that’s right
I was thinking of that too lmao
On race games? Not sure about that
I use keyboard in racing games like Dirt / assetto corsa / grid and its easy
Mystic Fox9, that’s why keyboard is used by professionals
p.s a lot depends on your setting... a powerful car and no traction control and abs will hurt when doing it with a pad and steering is smoother then because of the better control of the throttle
Steering wheel, gimme the steering wheel, come on, move....
You forgot the gloves...
what about da drink
@@dryoshi225 You will not have the drink...
Like many, I've used both, for years at a time, and I can say, unequivocably, that the combination of wheel with paddle shifter and pedals, increased my lap times considerably, at times as much as 10%. The difference was that more precisely graduated handling gave me a more accurately controlled turn and let me ride the proper apexes much easier, tire wear was massively reduced because I wasn't jogging the stick, the paddle shifter was faster than the stick with zero mis-shifts, and I was always in the correct power band with the manual transmission for maximum acceleration exactly when and where I needed it. Maybe some people do better with controllers, but when it comes to performance, for me, the winner is the wheel and pedals.
the thing about using a wheel is that its easier to follow the racing line as it offers much more precise control over the vehicle, whereas a controller, you have to make very small inputs which is difficult enough. However it is also made worse by the size of ones hands, dexterity in their fingers or even the controller vibration.
You can disable the controller vibration you Chinese fuck.
@@Xlr8t
wow, had a bad day, racist?
Tahallon yes, and in addition to that he is bullshitting on the controller which is unacceptable!
@@Xlr8t
Not an excuse to behave like a juvenile for just a game.
once you played with a wheel, you never want to play with a pad again
i don't think anyone prefers a pad over a wheel. it's just that some people can't afford a wheel
+Sassy The Sasquatch disclaimer - i play LFS not AC - but the whole setup was install driver and map buttons and axis (because the wheel is old and isn't) plug and play. Not sure what lengthy setting up you're talking about
The reason I bought the G29 was to improve my laptimes and have a better experience while playing. Actually I wasn't able to beat all my laptimes with the wheel, but it feels way better. I can feel the handling of the car now. And for the first time I can handle cars like the Red Bull Prototype from GT6 for example. I couldn't controll them with the pad.
PS: I really like your videos, viperconcept. I've seen your footwork on an other video. Could you explain in a video what you are doing there and what it's for?
Thank you^^
Here I explain what you want you know: ruclips.net/video/KoBAm9L7DcU/видео.html
*****
Thank you. :D
ChilloutEDM Hehehe speaking of using g29 on Red Bull X2010, heh! that was way too hard and the feedback looks like my wheels going to crack up or BROKE
And here i am playing dirt rally 2 with keyboard
Steering wheel is better for people who know how to drive a car.
It is very important to be able to say that you have your own steering wheel and know how to handle it well, not just having tried it a few days.
This is because the steering wheel mainly conveys unique sensations, and the pad does not.
In terms of times I think they are the same, even playing with the keyboard in many games gives equal times. But what really makes a difference are the sensations.
1.) you were faster with the wheel in all 4 races, you just ran off the track in the first one
2.) car control is a considerable advantage in racing. The easier a car is to control the faster you can go.
Nutshell: I agree that you can beat a steering wheel gamer on a pad because I’ve done it. But the advantage IS clearly steering wheel because you have better car control not because of a clutch or shifter, you were still faster in the first race with the sequential gearbox w/ auto clutch. It’s all on car control, the wheel gives you better feel and control as opposed to an analog stick. That’s kinda why they made racing wheels. Not just so you could feel like you’re in a real race car
When I drive with ped, my car spins like a Fidget Spinner ...
Speedking3I3 lmao I'm dead
With practice the wheel is much better. You have a half inch of thumb stick on a controller. The wheel is much more precise allowing far greater consistency in lap times. There really is no comparison. Plus, the wheel gives you feedback on what the the car is doing as far as traction and suspension wise.
John Pilgrim I’m looking to get a wheel, but I don’t know where to start, chair , frame etc where did u get yours from
this is so inacurate! clearly you cant compare the 2 as the car on the right is blacker and absorbs more light
I use a pad.
not gonna defend it in any way I'm just poor as shit
You are very rich . I have to use keyboard.
@@AK-tf3fc You are very rich. I have to use my shirt to wipe my tears because I can't afford a ps4.
I qualified for GT Academy in 2014, using the gamepad. On the final day of qualifying......i thought i'd give the wheel a shot, at my cousins place. I ended up being 1.5 secs slower.
But in 2015.....i got myself an entry level DFGT wheel and with some getting used to......i was able to destroy every gamepad lap record i had set on GT6. Not only did i qualify for the GT Academy nationals that year, but also made it to Race Camp (Silverstone).
A few things that i noticed along the way, was that the different between the pad and the wheel depends on the kind of car you choose and the number of driving assists that are enabled.
U might not notice a huge difference when driving an R35 on Racing Softs, with all assists enabled.......but switch to a RUF BTR 86 on Sports Hard, with everything disabled and you will realise the potential of a wheel.
Gamepads can be competitive......but only under certain conditions.
idem for Forza 7,thinked and developped for analog gamepad(xbox one controller to have rumble force on analog triggers),but prefer my wheel on Project Cars,Dirt Rally,F1 series all years,R07 ect...
now use keyboard and cry
I can't afford to get a wheel. It's just not my priority, there are other things I need to buy/pay for. I know people take sim racing very seriously, but it's just a videogame to me and I treat it as such. So yeah, pad is more than enough for me to have fun.
I can totally relate to that! Well said.
But if you dont take it really seriously you dont need super expensive wheel. G29 or g920 if you play on xbox are not super expensive. I bought g920 for 190€ and few months later H-shifter for 40€ and that is much better than playing on gamepad. Off course it also depands of country you live, because if it is not expensive for someone who lives in UK or Germany it can be super expensive for someone from Ukraine or White Russia.
@@sarenrap Electronics here in Brazil are extremely expensive. A G29 costs about the same as my PC. Not a price I'm willing to pay for something I play like twice a month
@@ElShogoso Ok as i said it depands on where you live. Im from Poland so its not very bad, but also not very good. I have 800€/month from my job, and i as i said i paid 230€ (with h-shifter). But then people in UK have 2000€/month so for this people is super cheap. I dont know too much about south america, but i can imagine for Ukraine people is almost impossible to buy it because they are very poor country (150-300€/month when 300€ in Ukraine is only if you have very good job, i think most of them have something like 200€ in Poland there is a lot of Ukrainians so i know it because they said me why they want to work in Poland)
@@sarenrap I'm not really gonna disclose my monthly income but let's just say, I *could* get a wheel if that was something I considered important, but for me, it isn't. I have other bills to pay, and other things and hobbies which I'd rather spend money on. Whenever I see a Logitech wheel, I also think of sound or musical equipment I could get with that money instead, or hell, stuff for my real car, which are all things that are going to entertain me more in the long run.
So again, pad is enough for me. I have fun playing with it.
Legend use keyboard to play racing games
hahaha :)
poor legends*
Up arrow to accelerate and down to brake lmao
now ultimate test without any driving aids
It`s near impossible playing without driving aids and a gamepad...the cars are twitchy as fuck. Steering smoothly through a corner with (for example) a GT3 car a BMW Z4 or Aston Martin, just forget it I gave up on it to be honest ^^.
***** GT6 is the only "simulation" optimized for gamepads...PCARS is not. Which is a huge problem of PCARS because only a handfull can play it properly.
ABS ? I always disable that LOL and I play with pad (but ew, why do people call it pad?)
what is the essential assists when playing with controller? and what is abs all about?
Diego Weber you don't know what abs is ? it's the antilock braking system
RWD high power cars are nearly impossible to control with the pad.
I just play with controller cause the wheel is too expensive
same here
@@0lopes haha i play with my old ps3 pad
It is ok to play on controller 1st. save up some money for wheel
The summary of the video is that wheel supposes to make you feel more realistic but not necessarily faster.
imo forza is really the only racing game I'd say feels great to use a gamepad. all other racing games are just to damn stiff or squirmy making constant little adjustments with a stick.
Pad: simpler
Wheel: more control and realism
Take whatever you prefer, if you think you'll win with more control go for it.
simpler if you're a kid that plays video games and don't drive cars.
try putting an adult who doesn't play games to drive a pad then a wheel, see which is simpler for him.
+MnSXx lol tldr
La conclusion est la même que celle que j'ai observé dernièrement. Même avec de très bon réglages (sur GT6) le contrôle permanent de la voiture et la gestion de l'accélérateur restent deux choses difficiles à gérer au pad par rapport à un volant.
Très bonne vidéo !
A wheel will always be faster. Your steering input can be much more gradual and smooth allowing to better choose your line and better control the car's weight transfer.
The Clio lap was just a question of getting used to the car and setting up your sensitivities to match the Clio's driving style.
Fortunately the general level of play in Project Cars online racing is not high enough to let the difference be substantial, from personal experience I can say that a pad is a perfectly reasonable alternative.
Peter Timowreef Yes I agree
Peter Timowreef Wheel will always be faster if you lack input discipline. It's very game-dependent. For a game like Forza or Gran Turismo, a wheel will likely produce minimal, if any, advantage. For ultra-realistic sims, a wheel will produce marginal benefit -- But marginal is what separates 1st place from 5th place.
Adeum Deus input discipline or not, the space that a joystick can move in is just small and any human error will make you fuck up. there's a reason pro counter strike players use a very low sensitivity instead of a very high one. it compensates slightly for human error.
Steering wheel just makes the driving more immersive and fun. Keeps you playing longer other than a controller
The only occasion the pad was faster was when you overcooked a corner. So in fact the wheel is better in all cases.
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Pad turning looks unnatural and jittery.... Not smooth at all. It doesn't look fun.
I use a 8-bit NES Zapper with helmet piercing bullets. I never finish any race but neither does my competitors.
I think it's clear to anyone with a working brain that with enough practice playing with a pad can match performance of playing with a wheel. The difference is in the amount of practice needed, with a wheel (especially if you drive IRL) you can jump in an unfamiliar vehicle after just a few minutes of practice whereas with a pad you'll need to practice much longer to get that smooth control that you need if you want to go fast.
The biggest thing is that a wheel allows much more precise and consistent control. So in longer races drivers that are using pads will gradually fall back or crash out - because it's easier to make a mistake when your lock-to-lock travel is an inch instead of 14+inches, all those tiny millisecond delays and mistakes add up eventually.
If you just want to occasionally race around with some friends a pad will do fine, it's when you're looking for a higher level of performance or realism that you will need a wheel.
Try playing keyboard then I guess
The thing with controller Vs wheel on most sims is that a wheel allows you to take off all the assists and still have a super easy learning curve because the openness of the wheel means that you don't have to move in micro movements to make the same adjustments you would have to make on a joystick.. and the pressure on the brakes have a lot more give than triggers on a controlller..
So the room for error is much bigger on a wheel than it is on a controller if you turn all assists off... and you usually find that racing on a controller with all assists off is just so ridiculous that 99% of the playerbase cannot do it, whereas any clown can go fast with assists off on a wheel.
So wheels end up being 4 seconds a lap faster than the majority of controller users, because the majority of controller guys are still racing with assists on due to the ridiculous difficulty of using a controller with assists off.
Arrow keys for maximum immersion and response time. 4 buttons and 1 hand is all you need for the ultimate driving experience.
srba filipovic lol haha
That did make me laugh, but then I thought that if I was to lose an arm, it may well be the only way I could play games. Most other games would be out of the question, so a game with just 4 buttons would probably be good.
***** lmao always stay positive. honestly when im too lazy to play i just usw WASD + space + shift and play with only my left hand and i dont mind it. only for arcade racers tho. there are point and click adventures tho and old RPGs like fallout
srba filipovic That is very true. I know it was quite a random thought, most people don't think of losing an arm lol.
I have seen some cool controllers for disabled people though, even so far as movement using their mouths with modified controllers. Pretty cool that people do make things so they can continue to play games.
***** wow thats awesome. Props to those guys
The cars in this game sound like someone is taking a crap in the blender.
The difference is the length of travel between a wheel and a pad. On a pad one has around 90 degrees of travel not incl in game steering ratio. On a wheel one has up to 900, again, not including in game steering ratio.
Rule of thumb here is - at high speeds you don't want small inputs to have big consequences.
But it's your choice.
My opinion is - If the pad was that good, they'd be using it in the real world. There is a reason why we use the wheel.
Andy Miller i was just about to write the same. try to imagine a f1 driver or just a person in your city driving the car with a pad. so if cars are driven with a wheel it has its reason
Steering wheel,gimme the steering wheel,somebody...hey!steering wheel somebody tell him give me the steering wheel!HEY!!!
风离雪 HEY!! STEERING WHEEL! FOR GODS SAKE STEERING WHEEL! TELL HIM TO GIVE ME THE DAMN STEERING WHEEL! HEY!!
And keyboard + mouse seems to be a hybrid between the two
for me using the mouse is so weird lol
@@madwarrior3771 yeah it's like OSU but the Cursor has a mind of it's own
Edit : when you play keyboard and mouse switch to a more OSU control scheme (A is downshift, S for upshift, then mouse button as acceleration and brake)
Nah, gotta use the ol'good keyboard. I've completed almost the whole Karting series with it
A pad or a wheel is just a input device. The driver has to create the inputs. I would say whatever device you as a driver are more comfortable with will be faster for you.
The 1k people that dislike this don't have a race wheel
I'm stuck with a controller for now due to a bad herniated disc. I can sit for half an hour to an hour a day otherwise I'm stuck on my back. I still want to pick up a wheel for that short period of time but I'm pretty sure any kind of FFB would fuck my back so hard. One day though after surgery I will have a sim rig.
Its always going to be personal preference. I've always used a controller until April when I bought a G29. I'm definitely MUCH better on the wheel, and faster than I was with the controller, but it depends on the game, too. I don't think anyone should bother with comparisons, try both and see what works for you.
You know what, even if I ended up slower I'll always play racing games with a wheel. Simply cos it feels better, and it's more involving. Because I'll never get to drive real GT3 cars, racing sims are the closest I'll get, so I'm damn well gonna use a wheel.
one thing the wheel adds is a higher level of immersion, like playing a shooting game with a controller or a gun, bot fun but one feels more real. anyway good vid
i think the main diference is that with the whell the driver could be constante,setting lap times almost identical every lap...and also less tire wear than the pad!
and when the tires are in bad conditions with the whell its more easy to fell and control the car,thanks to the force feedback...
so,this combo wins races...a pad could do same good laps,with short races,with good tires,but in medium range races or up,the whell destroys!
ive experienced that in gt6 for example!
yup u are righg
Renato Vieira De Miranda what a load of crap, been league racing for over 5 years, and I can easily say that with a pad you can be consistent, quick and have good tyre wear if you actually know how to race.
CDSMProductions I can certainly confirm that. I could beat the AI on the highest difficulty in GT Legends with a pad for example.
Hasan Özuğurlu it's hardly difficult you need to practice, some of the quickest people I know are pad racers
CDSMProductions Yeah I remember an Assetto Corsa world record set with a pad one time. It's all down to the driver understanding the car's behavior then he/she can be quick no matter the input device.
The steering wheel is only superior when you blast EURO BEAT
Hmm... I feel like I've just seen this comment before. What is that? Deja vu?
Kimi raikolen be like "steering Wheel steering Wheel"
Rens bwoah and icecream
A wheel provides greater immersion, especially when coupled with VR, but I think a skilled pad user can compete just as well but it won't 'feel' like you are driving, it will feel more like a game. If you enjoy a pad then fine, if you want ultimate immersion use a wheel. I like using the steam controller's giro and VR, it's good enough!
You're calling us "pad user's" now? Huh? Is that what we are to you, a bunch of pussies?
I heard someone complain about the lack of mouse steering support in the early access of Assetto Corsa Competizione.
Mouse. Steering.
Why does no one talk about that?
Maybe you could emulate it ?
The best comparison would be to run an actual race with each controller. Time trials are fine but you're the only car on the track. Put 30 other cars on the track with you and it totally changes the dynamics and I think the wheel will prove superior.
pad can be almost good as steering wheel it gets hard with a keyboard
dude... keyboard?! :D
I can't afford wheel,so I'll play games with my 4$ keyboard
same lol
Sir. You are a hero.
The joystick is the clear winner. It cost far less and you get similar lap times without getting tired. I personally think that people who buy a racing wheel (like me) don't simply want to race, they want the satisfaction to feel the car, to have an immersive experience.
What do you mean with "it costs far less" in my country at least a PS4 controller costs a bit more than a cheap wheel, sure, it's not as good as a g29, but after I bought mine and practiced with it for almost an hour i was already beating my previous records, it's way more precise even for a 90 degree cheap steering wheel
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Arcade: pad, sim: Steering wheel
How bout bike sim
god: keyboard XD
@@finesse8059 without controler, more than a god
@@Adyapd hmmm..., ¿Sim racing setup for bikers, i think? Like some arcade machines (i think i'm little old 😂)
Paddle is often more easy to use, but with a good experience you do better with a wheel.
In order to make test results more accurate, do at least 5 laps on each around the same track with the same car and the same setup. Show the best of those 5 and then the average of these 5 and then you are left with results
best laptime (avg laptime)
Pads have auto steering correction added to them in most games.
Daltira you Can turn it off in pc games tho.
Not in sims like AC, but it isnt necessary at all
The reward from a wheel is so much greater whether you are slow or fast with it as it brings you closer to the real deal. Thanks for video
It depends by the game and by the car. I bet on Need for Speed you can drive even with a dance pad.
If a pad coms even remotely close to a steering wheel that can only mean there is a flaw in the physics engine.
while here i am using the arrow keys in my keyoard.. :3
All is about practice but what Ive come to realise is that wheel kills it in consistency because its more comfortable...meaning in a 10 lap race for example...you surely can achieve a really good lap time with pad as well..but the rest will be average... whereas with wheel you can keep the same pace lap by lap by lap...or at least it will require less effort to do so...with pad you really struggle more.
And it’s simply more joy to drive with a steering wheel than a pad.
the steering wheel is always going to be better than the controller because of one reason you can drive a lot smoother and a lot cleaner which allows you to get faster lap times simple
For me its more about what is more fun. Wheel is way more fun.
Xirpzy ikr, of vourse its important what lap times you do online because ypu want to grow and shit, but in the end its a game. and a game is about fun.
Obviously a wheel is always better for driving. End of discussion.
licota11 failtroll
Troll? You can't seriously be trying to imply a pad is better?
Dude, I tried playing with a wheel, it's awkward and dull, the wheels also have problem with the axis rotation. This is from a guy that played with both (me).
GD Ziem just look at lap records in Sims between wheel and controller players. wheel players are always faster.
Fingers Vs Whole Body, not fair dude.
I’d recommend you use the thumb sticks when you drive. For me personally, I use (on PS4) L3 to steer and L4 to accelerate/decelerate. Shifting, I use L2/R2 to shift. Using the thumb sticks makes it easier for you to fine tune your steering (maybe not as much as a wheel) and the same for acceleration/deceleration.
Michael Turner-Smith When I was young, my fingers were small so I could only reach the D-Pad on the PS2 controller
Tip: with the Pad, try to release the throttle while upshifting. You will have a similar result as the clutch.
Dont forget that you have a limit on how fast the wheels turn with a pad where with a wheel the car steer exactly as fast as you do. And the advantage you have with a wheel when drifting.
also - i think - with a wheel racing games do much more fun.
In all cases except the Bentley, with the wheel you seemed better able to stay on top of the car when it started fighting you, meaning you were better able to approach its limits and recover from mistakes. Pad driver was more cautious.
I'm an old fart and new to gaming consoles but I can tell that the future is VR. That means the subject motion has to be as smooth and linear as it can be to avoid motion sickness.
Those jerky movements of the pad will be magnified on VR and will be problematic.
looks so much smoother with the wheel. that and probably a more entertaing experience
Believe it or not, steering wheel is smoother then pads
Laajimi Omar it is a lot smoother, but you will always do a faster lap on controller..
booper dooper virtually or real physics, racing is about who is the faster and the smoother, that's why Logitech machines (exp) are specialized for racing simulators
i use the gt sport motion sensor and its great.
i dont have enough money for a wheel.. i live in 🇦🇷 💩
Argentina?
@@pressstart1490 nah Russia
Aguante
The Wheels are so expensive here in Argentina, so sad.
@@FM_PERON2022 Toda la tecnologia es cara aca lamentablemente...
The wheel makes racing feel more legitimate, like if you are playing a fighter or shooter game and you use sensors or a dummy weapon. If you braking is good the wheel if most def better.
It depends. I have many hours on GT6 with a controller, and honestly my inputs are almost as smooth as wheel movements. I know how to countersteer, etc. all with only a pad. Ofcourse, a wheel is better for precise handling, but i've just gotten used to the pad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
its easier to learn pad, but if you master the wheel,there's nothing stopping you.
It very much depends on the game. Set aside the gearshift, which is a separate issue. If the game is an actual simulator, and thus simulates the contact of the wheels with the ground, the steering wheel has to be faster, because any jerky movements caused by usage of a pad of keys should slow the car down. Now, some games (notably GT, Forza) will smooth out the jerky action for you, because they value common gamer's satisfaction more than realism, so the issue becomes much more complex there.
flashpeter625
There is the fact that a full steering wheel, pedal and shifter setup are quite expensive. I would hardly fault anyone for playing on a gamepad.
IMO it's never a matter of better or worse, it's just a matter of taste
keyboard : pitch please
Playing with a wheel kills my chance of a best lap time. Using a wheel is all about emersion for me. If I just want to blast around a track or improve on a lap time i will use the pad.
Yet again, it's all about which one you have more experience with, and your background with that particular controller.
Break that comfort zone
I don't think it's easier to drive with a steering wheel, it's just way more fun!
People say the pad is better than wheel cuz they can't afford a wheel. In conclusion the wheel is highly expensive, but the pad or controller is good to start with.
Boom, there u go.
FatalVortex Gaming I say wheel is better but I can't afford one