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@@godzilla12325 I have one, I only really noticed it if I start it next to a wall etc and don't immediately drive away, say to defrost it etc as the stereo comes on and it's gone in a couple of miles, they sold millions of them so obviously people weren't that bothered.
@@grifa4967 thats cool, all im saying is, anyone of sane mind buying a used car would run a mile if they heard that rattle. Im not for a minute suggesting it cant plod on fine for thousands of miles (christ, all those miles with that noise 🤯 lol) but i am saying with the wealth of choice at this end of the market my coin would be going elsewhere. Imagine trying to sell that private 😂 folk would run aa soon as you started it.
Nice way to work with that Citroen 👍 make a decent car for someone when it's done. Always good to hear about the decent customers, gets a bit wearing watching channels who just moan all the time, we know what it's like dealing with the public so share the good times too. Nice one James 👍🍻
The vw up the Skoda Citigo and the seat all make that noise there from the gearbox they r a cheap car to build and customers would go back and say I’ve got a noise from my gearbox they would have it replaced and the noise would still be there after it would be replaced,there is nothing wrong with the gearbox there is just little to no sound deadening material at all. We have got customers who have these cars and they r all like that and we assure them there is nothing wrong with it at all and it’s very common so it’s nothing to worry about
The last time I drove one of those was a loaner ten years ago, but I don't remember it doing that. I seem to remember being impressed how quiet it was.
I had a Seat Mii in stock a few years back. Very low mileage, circa 20k and it made that noise at idle. Gear cluster roll over rattle I think was the diagnosis. I traded it off simply because I didn't want the hassle of having to explain it to ever person that came to try the car. Shame really as the car was absolutely mint. Car is still going many years later. I think later ones have improved that but not 100% sure.
I've had one from new (2012) and it has always made a gearbox noise now only got 26k miles on it, still going strong. Check out the VW Up forum as this has been commented on since the car came out.
My first car was back in the 80s a Datsun was just the same press the clutch no noise I was told clutch release bearing but after a while you don't notice it so never got done or caused a problem 😕
As someone else mentioned - Citroen maybe the front scuttle drain- will need to take a front wheel off and pull out the rubber bung top of the wheel arch. When you’ve done one side you’ll be able to do the other without removing the wheel. Normally seems to be pine tree needles that cause it - in my case at least.
Sounds like a crankshaft thrust bearing on the UP When the clutch is depressed it puts pressure towards the front of the crank when released it makes the noise
My daughters UP has had this noise from 6000 miles ,it’s now done 57000 ,it’s lived in London driven all over the country and it’s just a great little car ,I took it straight back to to the main dealer about the noise (it was under warranty) and they said it was normal.
Both my 14 plate move up and my current 16 plate rock up with 95k on the clock both make that noise. Perfectly normal and both are the most reliable car I've ever owned.
James that noise is normal when cold and you,d be wasting your money changing a gearbox as the next will do it too.We had a Citigo in 2013 with 1.2K miles on it and that did it too.We have just recently this year got rid of the wifes Aygo for a 2015 Citigo Monte Carlo with 37K and that does it also and the noise on video is exactly like ours.Its all over the Skoda forum and the UP forum and that VW TSB is correct as its not a defect.People have replaced there clutch but its still there.After the engine/box warms up (which is quick on these) the noise goes away.
Yep, that noise is perfectly normal James. I've had 3 Skoda Citigos in the past and each one had the same noise. I've also seen a tech bulletin that Skoda released to its dealers about the noise and it said exactly the same as VW. Skoda describe it as a " Comfort" issue rather than a manufacturing defect. From what the master technician told me at my dealer ( and he was a goodun!!) it's a budget vehicle with a small basic gearbox in a small confined space and noise is inevitable because of the lack of any refinement. Don't go spending your money on another gearbox as it won't make any difference. If you're still in doubt consult a reputable VW dealer and I'm sure he will tell you the same. You get used to it after a while.🙂👍
Selling that fiesta ecoboost at 70k on original belt to a local customer is brave bud. OK Ford might fix it, but it'll be you first in the firing line, I'd be worried it would go in bad circumstances, traffic or motorway. Hope you at least cut the oil filter up to look for bits of rubber (?) I sold a 1.4 zetec fiesta last night and I'm not worried about it blowing up (!)
HI James on the Picasso clean windscreen drains either side or you fan will go again, the drain blocks and water gets into fan motor. It's got those stupid rubber ends on that flap together so just pull them off.
i remember years ago when the renault 14 was in vogue they made a similar noise from the gearbox which was completely normal for them and never gave any problems, the engine was another story though .
Hi James , can’t comment on the VW but if you ever buy a Honda motorcycle it is common for them to have a noise before you pull in the clutch , I’ve had large Vfr’s , fire blades x2 and Cbr 600 x7 also own a Hayabusa and that makes a small noise when clutch is operated , the UP is a three cylinder so almost a motorcycle 🤣🤣
That is exact noise they make until properly warmed up, like a few miles this time of year, the Up forums are dull of people asking about it, post 2016 ones don't do it due to the Polo box being used. If it's done 70k or more is worth getting it changed but it won't really quieten it down, just make changing gears the smoother, will try and get a video of mine doing it and send it to you some time.
Can’t fault the C4 Picssso. I know James knows I’m a Citroen Nut but my late brother had one of these from 2010 for 3 years and she pulled like a train. Even towed my sisters Saxo with it,Granted it was the 2.0HDi EGS6 not the 1.6HDi. The drivers seat went the same in the 3 years on his so a common C4 Picssso problem.
My Kia Picanto did that when almost new. I adjusted (tightened) the clutch cable very slightly and the noise stopped. Looks to me like the cable stretches a bit allowing the operating arm to over-travel.
I have a 2002 fiesta which does the same thing as per the VW service action it is just the noise of the gearbox. Louder when the air con and headed screen are on. I have changed the oil and it does improve for a while but comes back. Try and oil change to satisfy your mind but probably make 0 difference
Regarding the Up, clutch rattle totally normal across the VW up/citigo/Mii, it's because they don't have a dual mass flywheel, drive a couple of miles and the noise won't be there. People have fitted new clutches and one guy even fitted a new gearbox and still the same. Nothing at all to worry about.
Mg said that about one of their electric vehicles, someone released an email sent to the dealership telling them they are aware of the problem it’s something to do with the engine but to tell people there is nothing wrong with them , guy is left with a car that he can’t drive
My UP, one of the first of the production line had a noise, what I could best describe as a ping pong ball jumping/rolling on top of a rotating gear. Gearbox replaced under warranty, did not help at all. Release bearing replaced, and it helped a bit. It was always difficult to get into first gear from a standstill.
I've got a 2015 UP! ASG and my engine/transmission doesn't make that noise. I think it's the same gearbox as a manual just that it has been made through speed sensors into an auto?
The Citroen c4 if it's the same place as the Peugeot 5008 it's on the drivers side take them covers of and you be able to get to it. Mine stopped working last winter bought a new one of ebay not that expensive
Your daughter resourceful with the baking. Don’t know how many litres of fuel that would buy for Jimny if take it home to run around in field. Maybe do a vid on what recycling firm would give for the Panda. Forget how came across the Up but I’d trade it on. Wouldn’t own anything but Toyota now. Spent tens of £000’s maintaining certain makes of car. Never again.
Some VW up's do it others don't my wife's 2016 has been doing it for the last 75,000 miles, its now at 120,000 miles, my daughter has a 2013 UP and does not chatter, and 115,000 miles, we've owned them both for 6+ years, something to do with them not having a dual mass flywheel and 3 cylinders.
That's how they sound, put some ep 140 gear oil if it worries you, I'll not affect anything, do bother about it, that's exactly how they are, I did have a very low miles one and that was quiet tho, but once they get a bit of leg on them it's how they sound, you'll end up with a 700 quid box rebuild and clutch bud for maybe no improvement. I'll e mail you a video of mine.
My UP was not as noisy as that. Great cars but they are prone to rust from the inside out around the petrol cap. Reason being VW didn’t fit wheel arch liners. They refuse to rectify under the 10’year warranty as they say it’s wear and tear. From 2018 onwards they started fitting arch liners….. funny that?!
I think that most of us following you on this site are more than impressed by how you take responsibility for faults that most dealers would simply not even take the phone call.. never mind the responsibility! Can you let us know what we expect by way of dealer responsibility when selling a vehicle ? Are there any firm rules ? Does everything have to be written into a contract ?
Trouble is there is no hard and fast rules other than in the first 6 months its considered faults where there at point of sale and dealer needs to resolve. BUT what is considered a fault and what is considered the standard replacement of components wearing due to use is not in black and white.
I wouldnt fit parking sensors to the Fiesta....not after the Aygo unless i had a non refundable dep to cover my time and the cost. The most I would "fit" are a set of floor mats. I await further news about the Fiesta punter......
Why don't you service valet them before they go for the MOT, then once they sre bsck you can more or less be a steo ahead of the game, all main dealers do that, to speed up time for prep, then you can photo it as is it semi decent
That noise on the up would make me run a mile 😂
Doesn't matter how many times I'm told that's a normal noise I wouldn't touch the car lol
It is perfectly normal for the pre facelift Ups, none have gone bang
@@grifa4967 oh great, even if that is true, would you buy a car that rattled???
@@godzilla12325 I have one, I only really noticed it if I start it next to a wall etc and don't immediately drive away, say to defrost it etc as the stereo comes on and it's gone in a couple of miles, they sold millions of them so obviously people weren't that bothered.
@@grifa4967 thats cool, all im saying is, anyone of sane mind buying a used car would run a mile if they heard that rattle.
Im not for a minute suggesting it cant plod on fine for thousands of miles (christ, all those miles with that noise 🤯 lol) but i am saying with the wealth of choice at this end of the market my coin would be going elsewhere.
Imagine trying to sell that private 😂 folk would run aa soon as you started it.
Nice way to work with that Citroen 👍 make a decent car for someone when it's done.
Always good to hear about the decent customers, gets a bit wearing watching channels who just moan all the time, we know what it's like dealing with the public so share the good times too.
Nice one James 👍🍻
The vw up the Skoda Citigo and the seat all make that noise there from the gearbox they r a cheap car to build and customers would go back and say I’ve got a noise from my gearbox they would have it replaced and the noise would still be there after it would be replaced,there is nothing wrong with the gearbox there is just little to no sound deadening material at all. We have got customers who have these cars and they r all like that and we assure them there is nothing wrong with it at all and it’s very common so it’s nothing to worry about
The last time I drove one of those was a loaner ten years ago, but I don't remember it doing that. I seem to remember being impressed how quiet it was.
I had a Seat Mii in stock a few years back. Very low mileage, circa 20k and it made that noise at idle. Gear cluster roll over rattle I think was the diagnosis. I traded it off simply because I didn't want the hassle of having to explain it to ever person that came to try the car. Shame really as the car was absolutely mint. Car is still going many years later. I think later ones have improved that but not 100% sure.
Cheers mate
I've had one from new (2012) and it has always made a gearbox noise now only got 26k miles on it, still going strong. Check out the VW Up forum as this has been commented on since the car came out.
Chops, your clutch release bearing comment is the wrong way around - noise will disappear when you press the clutch, as its then under pressure
My first car was back in the 80s a Datsun was just the same press the clutch no noise I was told clutch release bearing but after a while you don't notice it so never got done or caused a problem 😕
Really enjoyed how you included that clip. It hit hard.
I’ve just bought a 2012 VW UP and mine also has that. Thanks for posting this video. 👍
No problem 👍
As someone who is mechanically paranoid that "chatter" made me very nervous.
As someone else mentioned - Citroen maybe the front scuttle drain- will need to take a front wheel off and pull out the rubber bung top of the wheel arch. When you’ve done one side you’ll be able to do the other without removing the wheel. Normally seems to be pine tree needles that cause it - in my case at least.
Sounds like a crankshaft thrust bearing on the UP When the clutch is depressed it puts pressure towards the front of the crank when released it makes the noise
It's more likely the clutch release bearing . 👍🦊
My daughters UP has had this noise from 6000 miles ,it’s now done 57000 ,it’s lived in London driven all over the country and it’s just a great little car ,I took it straight back to to the main dealer about the noise (it was under warranty) and they said it was normal.
Double edged sword.
Had the same issue. Replaced the gearbox oil and no change. Sold the vehicle
Both my 14 plate move up and my current 16 plate rock up with 95k on the clock both make that noise. Perfectly normal and both are the most reliable car I've ever owned.
James that noise is normal when cold and you,d be wasting your money changing a gearbox as the next will do it too.We had a Citigo in 2013 with 1.2K miles on it and that did it too.We have just recently this year got rid of the wifes Aygo for a 2015 Citigo Monte Carlo with 37K and that does it also and the noise on video is exactly like ours.Its all over the Skoda forum and the UP forum and that VW TSB is correct as its not a defect.People have replaced there clutch but its still there.After the engine/box warms up (which is quick on these) the noise goes away.
Many thanks
Well done Brooke on selling the dog biscuits, my mum makes them for my dogs and the dogs adore them, apple and carrot I think they are 🙂
i agree with you james, that noise on the up is too noisy, but maybe a clutch kit would solve it?
Thanks for the update I have vw polo 1.2 3 cylinder the same thing happens I thought it’s unusual but know it makes sense,
Sounds like a VW Up diesel……
Yep, that noise is perfectly normal James. I've had 3 Skoda Citigos in the past and each one had the same noise. I've also seen a tech bulletin that Skoda released to its dealers about the noise and it said exactly the same as VW. Skoda describe it as a " Comfort" issue rather than a manufacturing defect.
From what the master technician told me at my dealer ( and he was a goodun!!) it's a budget vehicle with a small basic gearbox in a small confined space and noise is inevitable because of the lack of any refinement.
Don't go spending your money on another gearbox as it won't make any difference. If you're still in doubt consult a reputable VW dealer and I'm sure he will tell you the same. You get used to it after a while.🙂👍
My other half as an UP and there is a very slight noise but its not as loud as yours
Selling that fiesta ecoboost at 70k on original belt to a local customer is brave bud. OK Ford might fix it, but it'll be you first in the firing line, I'd be worried it would go in bad circumstances, traffic or motorway. Hope you at least cut the oil filter up to look for bits of rubber (?) I sold a 1.4 zetec fiesta last night and I'm not worried about it blowing up (!)
HI James on the Picasso clean windscreen drains either side or you fan will go again, the drain blocks and water gets into fan motor. It's got those stupid rubber ends on that flap together so just pull them off.
i remember years ago when the renault 14 was in vogue they made a similar noise from the gearbox which was completely normal for them and never gave any problems, the engine was another story though .
We had the same issue customer took it to a gearbox specialist and they stated the same thing. Customer left happy.
Oh great , cheers
Hi James , can’t comment on the VW but if you ever buy a Honda motorcycle it is common for them to have a noise before you pull in the clutch , I’ve had large Vfr’s , fire blades x2 and Cbr 600 x7 also own a Hayabusa and that makes a small noise when clutch is operated , the UP is a three cylinder so almost a motorcycle 🤣🤣
It is lol
It's getting really common for cars to have a 1 litre 3 cylinder engine now to think that's smaller than what's in a triumph tiger 1050
That is exact noise they make until properly warmed up, like a few miles this time of year, the Up forums are dull of people asking about it, post 2016 ones don't do it due to the Polo box being used. If it's done 70k or more is worth getting it changed but it won't really quieten it down, just make changing gears the smoother, will try and get a video of mine doing it and send it to you some time.
Can’t fault the C4 Picssso. I know James knows I’m a Citroen Nut but my late brother had one of these from 2010 for 3 years and she pulled like a train. Even towed my sisters Saxo with it,Granted it was the 2.0HDi EGS6 not the 1.6HDi. The drivers seat went the same in the 3 years on his so a common C4 Picssso problem.
Thank you for your work! Your content is always full of quality and useful information. I enjoy watching each of your videos.🏘🍫🛤
My Kia Picanto did that when almost new. I adjusted (tightened) the clutch cable very slightly and the noise stopped. Looks to me like the cable stretches a bit allowing the operating arm to over-travel.
its' the same noise as my Citigo makes, I've owned it for over 5 years. It did it when I bought the car, its normal for those cars.
Thanks
Turn the radio up
Exactly, it's a 12 year old washing machine. No point throwing money at it if it drives fine.
More “quality” VW engineering. Sounds like a tractor!
TBF all these 3 cyl do
diesel!
Most of my customers are really good folk, the last two even gave an extra £10 towards petrol for delivering outside our town.
I have a 2002 fiesta which does the same thing as per the VW service action it is just the noise of the gearbox. Louder when the air con and headed screen are on.
I have changed the oil and it does improve for a while but comes back. Try and oil change to satisfy your mind but probably make 0 difference
That's the same as a friends UP , don't worry about it.
If I bought that it would be coming straight back to the dealer. That’s dreadful.
We’ve had out Up from new 7 years ago. That’s a very familiar noise to me and has made that noise for a number of years now.
Got some great stock there James.
Regarding the Up, clutch rattle totally normal across the VW up/citigo/Mii, it's because they don't have a dual mass flywheel, drive a couple of miles and the noise won't be there. People have fitted new clutches and one guy even fitted a new gearbox and still the same. Nothing at all to worry about.
Will do cheers
Well, thank goodness I bought an auto! 😄
Autos have their own set of problems
My wife has Vw up, it does make a noise but I don’t think it’s that bad but I’ve not tested with bonnet up. Mainly when cold though.
Cheers
Bit of noise from the clutch is common on VAG cars from that era. Audis do it as well, notably the mk2 TT and a3
Its a vw gearbox trait ..Early ones were hard to get into gear when cold my first one did it .Changed something all fine had 3 ups all fine since.
Cheers
my wife had a Skoda Citigo with 16,000 miles on, it had the same noise, don't worry about it
Mg said that about one of their electric vehicles, someone released an email sent to the dealership telling them they are aware of the problem it’s something to do with the engine but to tell people there is nothing wrong with them , guy is left with a car that he can’t drive
My mother owns an Up, it makes the exact same noise.
Gearbox making noise in that situation can be dual mass but he is correct they all tend to make some noise
Glad I found your channel! You make really high quality and interesting content. Keep it up!🏄❄️🟤
Noise is normal. My 1.8 TSI Leon has done it since I had it 5 years ago also.
any recommendations on the aftermarket parking sensors? need some myself but can’t see much aside from the dolphin ones on amazon
My UP, one of the first of the production line had a noise, what I could best describe as a ping pong ball jumping/rolling on top of a rotating gear. Gearbox replaced under warranty, did not help at all. Release bearing replaced, and it helped a bit. It was always difficult to get into first gear from a standstill.
Cheers
The up sounds like a diesel 😂😂
Sounds like a taxi
Change the gearbox oil for a fully synthetic oil or different grade be worth a try
That UP does not sound right
I've got a 2015 UP! ASG and my engine/transmission doesn't make that noise. I think it's the same gearbox as a manual just that it has been made through speed sensors into an auto?
that noise would do my head you think they would do a recall redesign to slight the bloody noise
You would think so
I had one doing the same sold to mate thay had look at got back to me say it all ok it sill like that to day 😊😊
The Citroen c4 if it's the same place as the Peugeot 5008 it's on the drivers side take them covers of and you be able to get to it.
Mine stopped working last winter bought a new one of ebay not that expensive
Your daughter resourceful with the baking. Don’t know how many litres of fuel that would buy for Jimny if take it home to run around in field. Maybe do a vid on what recycling firm would give for the Panda. Forget how came across the Up but I’d trade it on. Wouldn’t own anything but Toyota now. Spent tens of £000’s maintaining certain makes of car. Never again.
My Up has been exactly the same for 8 years....
Thanks mate
4:43 that’s called turn the radio up.
Check Gearbox oil level first. Have had cars with low oil from new. Put a tube of Wynns High Pressure Gear Oil Additive in.
Think it’s double edged sword
Had a C4 Picasso years ago and something burnt out under the dash, smoking acrid smell. It was the blower motor or resistor i think.
I had a box rebuild on a fox, same engine and box, that was noisy thru the gears, noise at idle was still there tho.
My wife had one and it didn't ever sound that noisy.
Cheers
on the up its the clutch arm, it click, clacks, they alll do it,
Would that not aslso affect the seat mii and skoda citigo if they havent had that same issue thats wierd as they are effectively the same car
James just put another S/H box in it with with thicker oil
Some VW up's do it others don't my wife's 2016 has been doing it for the last 75,000 miles, its now at 120,000 miles, my daughter has a 2013 UP and does not chatter, and 115,000 miles, we've owned them both for 6+ years, something to do with them not having a dual mass flywheel and 3 cylinders.
Many thanks
Sounds OK to me, mind you I drive a 51 plate Astra and a little noise is more than acceptable.
My cousin has one. Very normal noise
My son has got a vw up on 120 k sounds exactly the same I’ve repaired loads of upi mii and Citigo (body work) and they all sound the same
I've put you a video on my (small channel) mate to allay your fears on up boxes (!)
I'll have some biscuits and I haven't got a dog!
What happened to the Fiesta St I kept seeing in tne background James? 👀
That up! sounds more like a diesel than like an mpi-engine...
That's how they sound, put some ep 140 gear oil if it worries you, I'll not affect anything, do bother about it, that's exactly how they are, I did have a very low miles one and that was quiet tho, but once they get a bit of leg on them it's how they sound, you'll end up with a 700 quid box rebuild and clutch bud for maybe no improvement. I'll e mail you a video of mine.
Cheers bud
@ChopsGarage anytime mate
My UP was not as noisy as that. Great cars but they are prone to rust from the inside out around the petrol cap. Reason being VW didn’t fit wheel arch liners. They refuse to rectify under the 10’year warranty as they say it’s wear and tear. From 2018 onwards they started fitting arch liners….. funny that?!
Cheers
Sounds like a diesel
I couldn't listen to that on an hour drive, would need to ramp the radio up to ten.
UP! Sounds like a diesel! Jeez
You will find a lot of these small motors do these days
I've got an up here, exactly the same mate.
I think that most of us following you on this site are more than impressed by how you take responsibility for faults that most dealers would simply not even take the phone call.. never mind the responsibility! Can you let us know what we expect by way of dealer responsibility when selling a vehicle ? Are there any firm rules ? Does everything have to be written into a contract ?
Trouble is there is no hard and fast rules other than in the first 6 months its considered faults where there at point of sale and dealer needs to resolve. BUT what is considered a fault and what is considered the standard replacement of components wearing due to use is not in black and white.
@@ChopsGarage Well, I think we're all impressed by your response to some of these people.. well done.
The fiesta will be back ,lol 😂
Why ?
UP needs examination, that car would be returned if sold.
sounds more like the release bearing gone
Seat for that piccaso £175 on ebay
Too much
Perhaps go find another one for sale and listen to that one or even 2 of them lol
You’ll own that fiesta for a few months more maybe?
Would be interested in quote for parking sensors ...Ive heard £300 to £500 ..
Rear will be about 250
👍@@ChopsGarage
I wouldnt fit parking sensors to the Fiesta....not after the Aygo unless i had a non refundable dep to cover my time and the cost. The most I would "fit" are a set of floor mats. I await further news about the Fiesta punter......
lol cheers
Up!s are like that
Why don't you service valet them before they go for the MOT, then once they sre bsck you can more or less be a steo ahead of the game, all main dealers do that, to speed up time for prep, then you can photo it as is it semi decent
See you are using a portable pressure washer, what happened to the one you had fixed inside the unit?
Burnt out as water supply failed
James l could hear the noise in question for peace of mind l would change the bearing
Its not the bearing though not sure it would make any diference
Told you so