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Those moves are bordering the unfair. To me it was great driving from the cars in front to avoid incidents, those who avoided them. We also see it in F1 that his technique is awesome but his overtaking needs some work as they are extremely high risk. I think Alonso should coach him :P On a sidenote at that level of drivers nobody uses a single screen monitor and if they do it's over 50" curved. Most of them are either on triple's or VR. I just switched from single screen 24" inch to VR and the difference is immense, much more awareness and know exactly where the other car is which removes the guesswork when you're going side by side, many times I've let opportunities go by because I had no idea how much space I had next to me. Haven't been racing lately though and only had one race in VR which went brilliant
What's interesting with Max Verstappen is that his late overtake style is very similar to Danni Kyvat which we know historically how he lost his drive at RedBull thanks to Seb Vettel influence and Max inheriting the seat. Makes you wonder if Max Verstappen would have eventually got the seat at RedBull or he would he have to wait assuming that Danni the torpedo Kyvat would have still been driving for RedBull.
@@matthewd6306 no doubt hes a great driver, but it's fair to say most drivers would be pissed getting lunged that aggressively. And if he tried to do that in a lower split with less experienced drivers it would end terribly. I promise lol
I'm Mclaren fan since I started watching F1, and I agree with you, max is bringing new element aggressive-firm-confident driving in sports....old time drivers were like, giving spaces or backing out in corners but now we are going to see the change in rookie driver's mentally as they will try to follow Max's path, I know it's not very good thing as it's dangerous for everyone on track but F1 gonna be more competative than it was in last seasons........my thoughts.
@@gamingandtechnology6913 Good point. Part of his success has probably been teams saying, "look out. Here comes max." "Competitive" was a good way to say it!😲
@@superstar5042 It's called racing. Millennials and snowflakes don't know this and got brainwashed by Mercedes for years and years into believing that racing equals to doing DRS overtakes on a long straight in a faster than the rest car, drive out front in clean air until you gain enough advantage to make a pitstop for new tyres without loosing the lead and then pop a bottle of champagne.
@@Wuppie62 I agree! This kind of racing we see with Max is similar to what we can see in Supercars for example. Really close, agressive racing with absolutely no space for the mistake. You need a Leclerc kind of a driver to make racing with Max interesting!
@@rachaelwilliams2064 What do you mean Max doesn't learn? Look at the space he left on the inside. If there was contact, it was because the other guy was too ambitious an ran to wide. Just like the incident with hamilton
The incident at 6:26 has contact, you can see on the bottom left HUD that the iRacing penalty X's increases from 8 to 12 out of the 25 limit. This means at this moment both drivers got the 4x from Max's spin
@@martynmacleod2211 You see the bottom left HUD box in the RUclips video Scott is watching? At the top of this box you see three temperatures, probably oil/water, air, and track temps. Finally, to the right of these three temperatures there isan X symbol follwed by two numbers N1/N2. These correspond to (Current penalty points) / (Maximum penalty points). The maximum is the number at which you get some sort of penalty, usually either DQ or DT.
By being reliably aggressive, people (other drivers) will start to expect you'll be there. And as a result, they'll play it safe because you know you'll yeet it in there. That's kind of a genius way to create your racing-driver persona. And Max did that in his TR-days early on. Show the field you're there to race hard. It's about who has the biggest balls at that point. Are you going to go aggro yourself? Then you both crash out. Are you gonna give him room? Then he overtakes you. It's why huge talents like Albon didn't become a WDC in F1: they are too nice. That's why Max did become one: everybody knows he's going for it. And sometimes that means Max lands on top of your car while you frantically try to continue racing with another car on your halo.
That's what Senna did. According to Martin Brundle, when Senna tried to overtake someone he would basically give them the option to "back out or crash" but would leave the decision to the other driver. That's what made him so hard to race. Ruthless and cutthroat racing
@@martimxavier9690 two drivers with the same mindset. inevitably, both will crash big time. minimum consequence: out for the whole season due to injury. edit: having this mindset only works when you're pretty much the only one with that exact mindset. if the other drivers doesn't fear you and refuses to back down, there WILL be a big crash smfh. why do people think this is racing??? i like aggressive driving but not the "back off or we both crash" type of racing.
@@PurXion_legendary_777 that's why both Max and Senna had more skills than just being aggressive. Both ultra fast, rain masters and ultra consistent. So, even if they face another aggressive driver they had other options to try to win, both the throughout the race and the season as a whole
A common trait I've noticed about successful drivers is their aggression level is set to 100%. They also have the skill to back it up and not crash all the time.
there's aggressive and smart and clean, and there's "back off or we crash"/"back off or you'll get knocked out whilst i get away with it". the first one includes fake divebombs and dummy moves to intimidate the other while being very clean about it. i dont get how people think the latter "style" is good racing
In just about every instance where he lunges late, the only drivers who survive are the ones who see it coming and back out. The ones who hold their line get knocked off the track. He's driving like an asshole, but people give him slack because he's a pro.
most people would get ton's of grief for driving like this.. but i guess a pro label allows it all to be ok.. i wonder how many wrecks he causes per race.
The right hander on 5:03, that is actually a smart move by Max. He prevents the driver ahead from touching the apex, compromising his exit after which Max can get him on the straight. Intelligent move. Aggressive but smart.
The reason why I prefer open wheel cars in iRacing, you are more likely to damage your car with an open wheeler, so less stupid driving like you might find in closed bodied racers.
@@bobfunk5055 Series regulars in Lotus 79 tend to be loyal and stick with the car, with many aware of each other. Tends to be pretty safe from dummies.
At 6 mins in, the move on the straight at suzuka, you said you don't think there was any contact when in my mind, if there hadn't been, you would have seen the chasing car sail by as Max spins to slow and face the track. The fact that you don't see the chasing car at all would indicate that that car was also off or in a big moment.
6:24 the camera seems to be a little ahead of the onborad there but on the ingame steering wheel you can see that the car really only went around when he got on the very slippery astroturf on the outside
3:30 other driver didn't see because he is focused on getting a good exit out of the chicane. Max saw that he wasn't in time to switch as he's already too slow. Insane.
I noticed when you reviewed Verstappen on Road Atlanta, that deep dive on the chicane was incredible, however I feel like the other driver had already made the decision to cut in thru the apex and trail the car in front, however being forced to re-consider the racing line is interesting, I noticed the driver flashes his lights after this occurs, you can see it in Max's rear vision mirror. I don't play this game but I intend to, what is the reason behind someone flashing their lights? was it because he was cut from his original racing line, unable to turn in? Thank you for the video, awesome watch.
Yeah, seems he wasn't happy about the lunge and the flashers were his way of conveying that he thought it was a bit ambitious. Like Scott said, Max often puts drivers in a position where they need to take evasive maneuvers to ensure no contact.
More to it than just a dive bomb. He moves to the inside and uses the train to block the driver on the outside so they are trapped while max gains control of the corner
Nice concept! Its about time we start seriously bridging the two worlds as Max and Lando have proven to such great effect that theres something special between racing sims and real life these days.
Have to agree with some of the comments, this isn't a guy practicing good racecraft, Max is just dive bombing, those corners aren't his and he's squeezing the other drivers out. Scott, really, is this how you encourage your students to drive? iRacing is difficult enough without encouraging people to drive like that.
At what point does a late braker become a frowned upon dive bomber? I've always felt that once you get to this level, besides waiting for others to make rare mistakes, dive bombing remains the only other real remaining option to get past. Not advocating it but can see why those not happy to just sit in the train... do it.
@@paulhope3401 Other drivers at his level seem to manage. I like Randy Pobst's description of racing as being like chess. You need to learn your opponent, and position yourself in a way that gives you an opportunity. Watch how your opponent defends, see where on the track you are stronger than they are, anticipate how they will cover you, and position yourself so that when they do so they expose themselves to your strengths. It's a game of tactics and psychology as much as it is raw pace. Max doesn't do that. He torpedoes up the inside and forces the other driver to back out or crash. It's not so much a chess move as a sucker punch.
@@t_z1030 You paint a nice picture but against drivers of a similar level you are very rarely going to be given these opportunities... especially on a track like that with short straights, close car equality and in a train.. going into the corner is literally going to be where the only real opportunities are. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate it being done to me.. but I accept that if it has been done cleanly and I haven't been punted off the track, then I just haven't defended well enough. I've always gone with Senna's famous saying.. 'When you no longer go for the gap, you are no longer a racing driver' I absolutely do agree that Max is the most aggressive driver in F1 and does it more than most but everyone does do it (in F1) to lesser degree and it is largely accepted and within the rules. Can you imagine the Stewards banning late braking as a means of attack? There would be no more real racing other than maybe a few DRS passes on the straights and the sport would simply wither away. It has to be part of it.
Correct me if im worng but what I see is he is usually divebombing and expecting others to let him pass, I dont say it is not legit but I feel like if i do these moves in online lobbies I would hear some swears on me.
5:50 there certainly was a contact there - otherwise we would have seen the other car passing by on the track which didn't happen. This means that the other car was also out.
That was incredibly helpful. Thank you. I will say that in general Max has a big advantage in the sim. I’ve raced against him a couple of times on iRacing and was hyper aware of where he was when I was anywhere near him. The last thing in the world that I wanted to do was take him out doing something stupid. I doubt that he surprises anyone when he makes those moves. Well, except the move on Benecke at Daytona, lol.
if you do take him out while he's daily-divebombing his way to the podium, you'll get crash and a comment "That's what happens when you dont leave a space!" - just what he said to Lewis in Monza crash
@@Alejandro388, it's a shame that such a talented drive is also such a spoiled brat. Hunt, Piquet, et al. owned up to moves that didn't work and acknowledged the risk that they took. But any time Max is unsuccessful at an overtake, it's always someone else's fault for "not leaving space" (in spite of the fact that he gives drivers on the outside *NO* quarter). A real shame indeed.
@@flyingphoenix113 How is he spoilt? He's not a millionaire's son and always has to take the consequences when he get's it wrong. That he sometimes denies it for a camera, is just talk and not exclusively a Max thing: Lewis does it too, like denying any responsibility for the collission in Copse at Silverstone.
@@nathanmcdowell7306 his dad left him alone on a gas station for loosing a race, that's some true gangster move, i wouldn't expect anything less from his offspring too
2:58, yea you can see the contact right here, that's why he wasn't able to turn further, that was a savage lunge and he didn't make the corner at all LOL
Change the title to "Race Driver Reacts to Max Verstappen's Sim Racing DIVEBOMBS" As much as I agree to other comments, that Max is giving as little respect as possible, the title is very misleading 'cause Max is NOT ALWAYS like this. Depending on the situation, he'll either go mindlessly aggressive or cleverly patience. If you want to make a video as the title suggested, includes both.
I honestly don't get why people have a problem with lunges down the inside. As long as you make the corner, it's a fair move in my book. It's the whole reason why defensive driving exists, a driver in front with some one right behind should defend the inside of the corner! If they don't, that's their problem.
If you do that and someone is overly aggressive, then you are guranteed to get rammed. You can only defend against it if the guy going for it is willing to stop the commitment. You typically are in real life, not so much in the sim
I’m not disagreeing that the grass played apart in encouraging the spin but Max had already lost traction as he went past the apex. Too much speed and too late on the brakes.
@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames I agree. He did lose it wide already, Im just saying once his wheel actually touched the grass, that was when he completely lost it.. and It was a total DBag Rookie move. lol
Lol do you want the whole lobby cursing at you? Cuz unless you have like verstappen or Norris in your name, youd not be able to get away with half this lol
I love to see Max drive. He sure is very very good; That second overtake however was quite risky. The gap between the two cars ahead was very small. I'm sure the overtaken driver will have cursed.
@@PresidentScrooge Everybody can do that. People are not doing it not because they can't (all you have to do is break late with decent control) they are not doing it because it is an illegal move.
Reflecting on this video: Are you a good overtaker when most of the times you have to rely on the other driver to avoid you? Maybe you are just a "bully" driver. "Get out of my way or we'll crash!"
Is there actually footage max making an overtaking without a divebomb or shunting a car off track? How he’s alive is down to car and track safety improvements over the last 3 decades
the grin on your face scott is priceless as you call every one of his lunges as 'a tad aggressive'...whatever happened to all of your racecraft principles? for the laugh, someone should review this video of you assessing max's driving.
Pretty sure there was contact in T1 at the 6 min marker... if the other car wouldhave made the corner, he wouldhave showed up at the 90 degree angle that verstappen was facing at the track. Verstappen held space for just about 1 car towards his right. Harsch driving though, but simular cars demand shouldershoving like this, alas. As the bop has changed this game into a play of of inches, not feet or yards. Nice analysis though, thanks for the insights! And sorry for being late to the party... #youtubealgorythm
Max doesn’t pass people! He breaks so late that he is setting up a no win situation for the other drivers: “ Legitimately defend and we crash or submit the place and we both carry on.” Thats not passing, thats crash avoidance by the other driver that has a net effect of a position loss! Agree that Alonso is a study of race craft!! Love that man. Btw…not a Hamilton fan (at all) but atleast he’s a fair racer.
pretty much physically bullying others into submission or relenting their position, indeed never was a big fan of Prost, but the guy played mindgames for laps on end to psych his opponents out until they'd make a mistake because of the pressure they were under. like someone else in here said, max pretty much divebombs his way through. I'll admit, I'll do that in singleplayer AI races too, but I really try to avoid it online, it's no fun for anyone and there's not an ounce of honor in it.
Max is overly aggressive... for a regular driver. In his case though, he has the skill to pull off moves that most simracers wouldn't be able to. I also wonder how much simracing contributes to his ability and confidence to make those moves on the real track. It has to have some significance that he was able to try them out so many times in risk-free environment.
Max is untouchable, he can do about anything he wants and he knows it.. and he uses that privilege. He can push you off and receive no penalty... and he does that, deliberately, ALL THE TIME.
As said in this video, Max relies on the other driver to avoid contact, which is wrong but so effective. The thing that annoys me is his complete one sidedness when someone else either doesn't back off and avoid the contact, or puts the same squeeze on him, then we hear "that's what happens when you don't leave space".
@@noturbrother I've said further down this thread that he's like a flashback to Schumacher. I don't remember much of Senna as I was young. Applauded for their results but I'll never get behind that driving style, it's bad sportsmanship and I'll never be ok with it, in any sport. His bleating and moaning after someone does something to him what he does to everyone makes you wonder what goes on in his brain. Does he think it's 1 rule for him and 1 for everyone else?
@@noturbrother there's something about guys who become world champions or have the skin to accomplish it. They can be rather unpleasant at times. Just like Jordan in the NBA, they were insufferable at times even by their own team mates. But the results.... The results are there. Even Lewis when he was in the hunt for his first title made some lunatic moves that sometimes cost him.
I think you could put a little bit more effort in this video. The situations you show from the first race could use some footage from outside. A simple RUclips search would have resulted in the official broadcast from this race, plenty off images out there. This would've meant you actually knew what was going on, because you got it wrong when you said Max lost it on his own in Suzuka T1.
Do an analysis of Jarno Opmeer! He's a real-life racing driver but is more well-known for his F1 Esports career. Would be interesting to see how his driving style changes playing Codemasters' F1 💯
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What are your thoughts on those overtakes! If you would like for me to take a look at an incident, overtake or lap of yours in a video, you can submit them here. driver61.typeform.com/to/D4ALEHcv
Max "the bully" Verstappen
Those moves are bordering the unfair. To me it was great driving from the cars in front to avoid incidents, those who avoided them. We also see it in F1 that his technique is awesome but his overtaking needs some work as they are extremely high risk. I think Alonso should coach him :P On a sidenote at that level of drivers nobody uses a single screen monitor and if they do it's over 50" curved. Most of them are either on triple's or VR. I just switched from single screen 24" inch to VR and the difference is immense, much more awareness and know exactly where the other car is which removes the guesswork when you're going side by side, many times I've let opportunities go by because I had no idea how much space I had next to me. Haven't been racing lately though and only had one race in VR which went brilliant
Try those overtakes with AC‘s AI… No chance to get half a lap done.
I think the line between fair overtaking and dive bombing is very thin.
What's interesting with Max Verstappen is that his late overtake style is very similar to Danni Kyvat which we know historically how he lost his drive at RedBull thanks to Seb Vettel influence and Max inheriting the seat.
Makes you wonder if Max Verstappen would have eventually got the seat at RedBull or he would he have to wait assuming that Danni the torpedo Kyvat would have still been driving for RedBull.
Hilarious watching the guys screen below max
I love how the guy on the bottom keeps praying every time Max goes for an overtake :))
The guy is ne lol
@@giannivecchio ah, saw the name. I think it’s awesome that you got to spend time with Max. He and I have the same birthday:)
😂😂😂😂
Think he then had to start his stint with only like 2x left before they would be disqualified.
Driver: “Ah Max is behind me… OH FUCK MAX IS BEHIND ME!!!”
*meanwhile*
Max (in his head): “MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX MAX SUPER SUPER MAX MAX MAX”
This is a really fresh concept for a video. Maybe Lando's simracing next, and how his style could compare/contrast?
More lunges than a fitness instructor
The dude is a beast.
🤣🤣🤣
@@matthewd6306 no doubt hes a great driver, but it's fair to say most drivers would be pissed getting lunged that aggressively. And if he tried to do that in a lower split with less experienced drivers it would end terribly. I promise lol
@@AS34N it would, the way he drives in sim is way too aggro.
@@SeanCampbell_iRacingsounds like a skill issue for the rest of the grid. it’s called racing
5:53 "I don't think was any contact".
Max gained 4x -> heavy contact. It's quite easy to tell if there was contact or not in iRacing. ;)
@@PrimetimeCasual Yeah, I went to source video and saw it there. Deleted my comment before I saw reply.
Gianni Vecchio's blessing at 3:07 is the best part of this video :D
I like Hamilton, so I'm not gonna make any Wusshole statements, but you've gotta love Max. Nothing like watching him overtake. IRL or in a Sim.
I'm Mclaren fan since I started watching F1, and I agree with you, max is bringing new element aggressive-firm-confident driving in sports....old time drivers were like, giving spaces or backing out in corners but now we are going to see the change in rookie driver's mentally as they will try to follow Max's path, I know it's not very good thing as it's dangerous for everyone on track but F1 gonna be more competative than it was in last seasons........my thoughts.
@@gamingandtechnology6913 Good point. Part of his success has probably been teams saying, "look out. Here comes max." "Competitive" was a good way to say it!😲
His overtakes are dirty
@@superstar5042
It's called racing. Millennials and snowflakes don't know this and got brainwashed by Mercedes for years and years into believing that racing equals to doing DRS overtakes on a long straight in a faster than the rest car, drive out front in clean air until you gain enough advantage to make a pitstop for new tyres without loosing the lead and then pop a bottle of champagne.
@@Wuppie62 I agree! This kind of racing we see with Max is similar to what we can see in Supercars for example. Really close, agressive racing with absolutely no space for the mistake. You need a Leclerc kind of a driver to make racing with Max interesting!
Max's Co-Driver crossing himself after that lunch is pretty funny
I remember I saw this race. There was actually contact when Max went for it on the outside of T1, quite similar to the incident with Hamilton.
Yep. That was against Josh Rodgers. Max doesn’t learn. He’s got one move
@@rachaelwilliams2064 Championship winning moves.
@@TumblingPebble just wait until the get a virtual FIA that makes completely made up random decisions. He will be sim racing champion of the world
@@TumblingPebble outright divebombing is a wining move... for now
@@rachaelwilliams2064 What do you mean Max doesn't learn? Look at the space he left on the inside. If there was contact, it was because the other guy was too ambitious an ran to wide. Just like the incident with hamilton
The incident at 6:26 has contact, you can see on the bottom left HUD that the iRacing penalty X's increases from 8 to 12 out of the 25 limit. This means at this moment both drivers got the 4x from Max's spin
I watched it live, Josh and Max both spun :)
Where r the x's because I have no idea about anything for the iracing hud
@@martynmacleod2211 You see the bottom left HUD box in the RUclips video Scott is watching? At the top of this box you see three temperatures, probably oil/water, air, and track temps. Finally, to the right of these three temperatures there isan X symbol follwed by two numbers N1/N2. These correspond to (Current penalty points) / (Maximum penalty points). The maximum is the number at which you get some sort of penalty, usually either DQ or DT.
Also we don't see the car behind go past, which it would have very quickly if it had not also spun.
some divebombing deluxe lol
I suspect there’s a whole lot of “holy shit, it’s Max behind me” latitude going on here from the other drivers.
In f1 or sim?
@@sirskullington9213 both
By being reliably aggressive, people (other drivers) will start to expect you'll be there. And as a result, they'll play it safe because you know you'll yeet it in there.
That's kind of a genius way to create your racing-driver persona. And Max did that in his TR-days early on. Show the field you're there to race hard. It's about who has the biggest balls at that point. Are you going to go aggro yourself? Then you both crash out. Are you gonna give him room? Then he overtakes you.
It's why huge talents like Albon didn't become a WDC in F1: they are too nice. That's why Max did become one: everybody knows he's going for it. And sometimes that means Max lands on top of your car while you frantically try to continue racing with another car on your halo.
That's what Senna did. According to Martin Brundle, when Senna tried to overtake someone he would basically give them the option to "back out or crash" but would leave the decision to the other driver. That's what made him so hard to race. Ruthless and cutthroat racing
@@martimxavier9690 two drivers with the same mindset. inevitably, both will crash big time. minimum consequence: out for the whole season due to injury.
edit: having this mindset only works when you're pretty much the only one with that exact mindset. if the other drivers doesn't fear you and refuses to back down, there WILL be a big crash smfh. why do people think this is racing??? i like aggressive driving but not the "back off or we both crash" type of racing.
@@PurXion_legendary_777 that's why both Max and Senna had more skills than just being aggressive. Both ultra fast, rain masters and ultra consistent. So, even if they face another aggressive driver they had other options to try to win, both the throughout the race and the season as a whole
Glad to see you posting to this channel regularly again. It had been a while it seems whithout any sim videos here.
A common trait I've noticed about successful drivers is their aggression level is set to 100%. They also have the skill to back it up and not crash all the time.
there's aggressive and smart and clean, and there's "back off or we crash"/"back off or you'll get knocked out whilst i get away with it".
the first one includes fake divebombs and dummy moves to intimidate the other while being very clean about it. i dont get how people think the latter "style" is good racing
In just about every instance where he lunges late, the only drivers who survive are the ones who see it coming and back out. The ones who hold their line get knocked off the track. He's driving like an asshole, but people give him slack because he's a pro.
most people would get ton's of grief for driving like this.. but i guess a pro label allows it all to be ok.. i wonder how many wrecks he causes per race.
The 2nd lunge his team mate says it all with the double crossing himself lol
This explains everything we see in F1
Have you ever had the opportunity to do laps at Road Atlanta? The elevation change with turns is so challenging.
The right hander on 5:03, that is actually a smart move by Max. He prevents the driver ahead from touching the apex, compromising his exit after which Max can get him on the straight. Intelligent move. Aggressive but smart.
There is also network connectivity/lag to consider. The reported place of the defending car might not be 100% accurate.
The reason why I prefer open wheel cars in iRacing, you are more likely to damage your car with an open wheeler, so less stupid driving like you might find in closed bodied racers.
Runs both ways though, when an idiot does hit you, it's race over.
@@bobfunk5055 Formula Vee at Charlotte Legends this week summed up
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@@bobfunk5055 Series regulars in Lotus 79 tend to be loyal and stick with the car, with many aware of each other. Tends to be pretty safe from dummies.
At 6 mins in, the move on the straight at suzuka, you said you don't think there was any contact when in my mind, if there hadn't been, you would have seen the chasing car sail by as Max spins to slow and face the track. The fact that you don't see the chasing car at all would indicate that that car was also off or in a big moment.
6:24 the camera seems to be a little ahead of the onborad there but on the ingame steering wheel you can see that the car really only went around when he got on the very slippery astroturf on the outside
Alternative Title: Driver61 reacts to Max Verstappen being a prick in iRacing
Blocking is against the sporting code in iracing if im correct
Max and Scott collab in wreckfest when?
4:43 Sounds like the description of the situation of Max and Lewis at Silverstone at Copse..
3:30 other driver didn't see because he is focused on getting a good exit out of the chicane. Max saw that he wasn't in time to switch as he's already too slow. Insane.
his best secret is called dive bombing and letting other drivers decide if they are going to crash or not.
Exacly lol, i love max but he is a maverick sometimes😅😄
A lot of the overtakes are contact just shoving the guy on the line off the tarmac. I mean is what is it but isn’t clean. I can do that shit too
Max his 2021 Bathurst 12HR topsplit preformance was insane in iRacing. I believe they have his quali lap on youtube
I noticed when you reviewed Verstappen on Road Atlanta, that deep dive on the chicane was incredible, however I feel like the other driver had already made the decision to cut in thru the apex and trail the car in front, however being forced to re-consider the racing line is interesting, I noticed the driver flashes his lights after this occurs, you can see it in Max's rear vision mirror. I don't play this game but I intend to, what is the reason behind someone flashing their lights? was it because he was cut from his original racing line, unable to turn in? Thank you for the video, awesome watch.
Yeah, seems he wasn't happy about the lunge and the flashers were his way of conveying that he thought it was a bit ambitious. Like Scott said, Max often puts drivers in a position where they need to take evasive maneuvers to ensure no contact.
I love Max driving style. This is why F1 is fun to Watch again.
More to it than just a dive bomb. He moves to the inside and uses the train to block the driver on the outside so they are trapped while max gains control of the corner
Most of the moves were just a divebomb though
2:15 "All the time, you have to leava da space!!"
Nice concept! Its about time we start seriously bridging the two worlds as Max and Lando have proven to such great effect that theres something special between racing sims and real life these days.
Max The Great Dive Bomber..
Have to agree with some of the comments, this isn't a guy practicing good racecraft, Max is just dive bombing, those corners aren't his and he's squeezing the other drivers out. Scott, really, is this how you encourage your students to drive? iRacing is difficult enough without encouraging people to drive like that.
At what point does a late braker become a frowned upon dive bomber?
I've always felt that once you get to this level, besides waiting for others to make rare mistakes, dive bombing remains the only other real remaining option to get past. Not advocating it but can see why those not happy to just sit in the train... do it.
@@paulhope3401 Other drivers at his level seem to manage. I like Randy Pobst's description of racing as being like chess. You need to learn your opponent, and position yourself in a way that gives you an opportunity. Watch how your opponent defends, see where on the track you are stronger than they are, anticipate how they will cover you, and position yourself so that when they do so they expose themselves to your strengths. It's a game of tactics and psychology as much as it is raw pace.
Max doesn't do that. He torpedoes up the inside and forces the other driver to back out or crash. It's not so much a chess move as a sucker punch.
@@t_z1030 You paint a nice picture but against drivers of a similar level you are very rarely going to be given these opportunities... especially on a track like that with short straights, close car equality and in a train.. going into the corner is literally going to be where the only real opportunities are.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate it being done to me.. but I accept that if it has been done cleanly and I haven't been punted off the track, then I just haven't defended well enough.
I've always gone with Senna's famous saying.. 'When you no longer go for the gap, you are no longer a racing driver'
I absolutely do agree that Max is the most aggressive driver in F1 and does it more than most but everyone does do it (in F1) to lesser degree and it is largely accepted and within the rules.
Can you imagine the Stewards banning late braking as a means of attack? There would be no more real racing other than maybe a few DRS passes on the straights and the sport would simply wither away. It has to be part of it.
Do you have links to max’s races? Trying to find full races. He’s entertaining to watch but I can’t find any races
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Correct me if im worng but what I see is he is usually divebombing and expecting others to let him pass, I dont say it is not legit but I feel like if i do these moves in online lobbies I would hear some swears on me.
5:50 there certainly was a contact there - otherwise we would have seen the other car passing by on the track which didn't happen. This means that the other car was also out.
Funniest part of the video is watching his partner react to his moves lol
1:54 look at Gianni( The guy below max) crossing himself :D
That was incredibly helpful. Thank you. I will say that in general Max has a big advantage in the sim. I’ve raced against him a couple of times on iRacing and was hyper aware of where he was when I was anywhere near him. The last thing in the world that I wanted to do was take him out doing something stupid. I doubt that he surprises anyone when he makes those moves. Well, except the move on Benecke at Daytona, lol.
if you do take him out while he's daily-divebombing his way to the podium, you'll get crash and a comment "That's what happens when you dont leave a space!" - just what he said to Lewis in Monza crash
@@Alejandro388 ok. You don’t like him. Got it.
@@Alejandro388, it's a shame that such a talented drive is also such a spoiled brat. Hunt, Piquet, et al. owned up to moves that didn't work and acknowledged the risk that they took. But any time Max is unsuccessful at an overtake, it's always someone else's fault for "not leaving space" (in spite of the fact that he gives drivers on the outside *NO* quarter). A real shame indeed.
@@flyingphoenix113 Agree
@@flyingphoenix113
How is he spoilt? He's not a millionaire's son and always has to take the consequences when he get's it wrong. That he sometimes denies it for a camera, is just talk and not exclusively a Max thing: Lewis does it too, like denying any responsibility for the collission in Copse at Silverstone.
so basically kamikaze dive bomb and run people off the road like how he does it in F1 lmao
Max is the type of driver that does the thing and asks questions later
Should title the video: How to get banned from online racing servers.
I would have loved, if you also took the other drivers perspective and explain what they could've done to defend against someone as aggressive as Max.
Not much you can do apart from pray you don't get hit. No hate against Max but he was far to aggressive in those overtakes.
@@nathanmcdowell7306 his dad left him alone on a gas station for loosing a race, that's some true gangster move, i wouldn't expect anything less from his offspring too
@@Alejandro388 wait are you agreeing with Max’s dad for leaving him at a petrol station? Also why do you call petrol which is a liquid, Gas?
Max's qualifying lap at Bathurst in the Audi GT3 (i think) in iRacing. 'Nuff said. :)
I'm pretty sure that was a lap record for the season as well.
Don’t see how that’s enough said, he didn’t move anyone in df the track during that lap, like he does every overtake
Roval impressed me so much. I have to see the one you're talking about.
Who would’ve thought. As aggressive and hot headed as in real life 😅
TLDW: best overtake is push everyone out of your way.
more sim racing videos please!
2:58, yea you can see the contact right here, that's why he wasn't able to turn further, that was a savage lunge and he didn't make the corner at all LOL
Using my stream VOD without giving me any credit? 😅
Dive bombs... Dive bombs everywhere
I hope he wins the championship
Change the title to "Race Driver Reacts to Max Verstappen's Sim Racing DIVEBOMBS"
As much as I agree to other comments, that Max is giving as little respect as possible, the title is very misleading 'cause Max is NOT ALWAYS like this. Depending on the situation, he'll either go mindlessly aggressive or cleverly patience. If you want to make a video as the title suggested, includes both.
I honestly don't get why people have a problem with lunges down the inside. As long as you make the corner, it's a fair move in my book. It's the whole reason why defensive driving exists, a driver in front with some one right behind should defend the inside of the corner! If they don't, that's their problem.
With those parameters in mind I could abuse you in fair ways that would be totally unfair.
If you do that and someone is overly aggressive, then you are guranteed to get rammed.
You can only defend against it if the guy going for it is willing to stop the commitment. You typically are in real life, not so much in the sim
Max is testing the limits in Sim Racing that he doesn't have to do it in real life more often than he does anyway...
art imitating life on some of those :)
@ around 6:30 I think he just went over the kerb & caught the grass with the LR.
I’m not disagreeing that the grass played apart in encouraging the spin but Max had already lost traction as he went past the apex. Too much speed and too late on the brakes.
@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames I agree. He did lose it wide already, Im just saying once his wheel actually touched the grass, that was when he completely lost it.. and It was a total DBag Rookie move. lol
@@fightlikabrave No arguments there 😂
where did you find the videos??
This would be nice have you go over more of his driving style given how hes crushin F1 and any sim he gets in!
Max bringing his sim tactics into the real world it seems.
yeap. that video makes it clear!
Lol do you want the whole lobby cursing at you? Cuz unless you have like verstappen or Norris in your name, youd not be able to get away with half this lol
great video as always scott!
I love to see Max drive. He sure is very very good; That second overtake however was quite risky. The gap between the two cars ahead was very small. I'm sure the overtaken driver will have cursed.
Outside view would be awesome to have.
Damn, his dives are worse than mine in Forza when I get fed up with the AI.
I imagine he enjoys it because in the real world he has to hold back while in the sim he can full yolo his aggression.
@@PresidentScrooge Youre blind then
@@PresidentScrooge Everybody can do that. People are not doing it not because they can't (all you have to do is break late with decent control) they are not doing it because it is an illegal move.
Managed more lunges than me on leg day
That last move was legendary
15 minutes of Max = If you don't defend, I dive bomb. Always.
Max had 2 extra screens on the side, would have been better if we could see those views also.
Best tip for overtaking here: Fake a divebomb, and the guy in front will be scared as shit, and will leave you the space
Reflecting on this video: Are you a good overtaker when most of the times you have to rely on the other driver to avoid you? Maybe you are just a "bully" driver.
"Get out of my way or we'll crash!"
Hahaha babies, it's racing, gotta go for the overtake.
Is there actually footage max making an overtaking without a divebomb or shunting a car off track? How he’s alive is down to car and track safety improvements over the last 3 decades
the grin on your face scott is priceless as you call every one of his lunges as 'a tad aggressive'...whatever happened to all of your racecraft principles? for the laugh, someone should review this video of you assessing max's driving.
Dive bombing! Big time!!!
4:30 looks like hamilton at silver stone
Old mate just straight up doesnt care about anyone else lol
I'm a Max fan but your reaction to every move speaks volumes
Pretty sure there was contact in T1 at the 6 min marker... if the other car wouldhave made the corner, he wouldhave showed up at the 90 degree angle that verstappen was facing at the track.
Verstappen held space for just about 1 car towards his right. Harsch driving though, but simular cars demand shouldershoving like this, alas. As the bop has changed this game into a play of
of inches, not feet or yards. Nice analysis though, thanks for the insights! And sorry for being late to the party... #youtubealgorythm
Max doesn’t pass people!
He breaks so late that he is setting up a no win situation for the other drivers: “ Legitimately defend and we crash or submit the place and we both carry on.”
Thats not passing, thats crash avoidance by the other driver that has a net effect of a position loss!
Agree that Alonso is a study of race craft!! Love that man.
Btw…not a Hamilton fan (at all) but atleast he’s a fair racer.
pretty much physically bullying others into submission or relenting their position, indeed
never was a big fan of Prost, but the guy played mindgames for laps on end to psych his opponents out until they'd make a mistake because of the pressure they were under.
like someone else in here said, max pretty much divebombs his way through.
I'll admit, I'll do that in singleplayer AI races too, but I really try to avoid it online, it's no fun for anyone and there's not an ounce of honor in it.
If I had to race max I'd just let him pass even if I was quicker and be happy with 2nd. Being anywhere near him looks like a DNF.
All the time you must leave the space
Max is overly aggressive... for a regular driver. In his case though, he has the skill to pull off moves that most simracers wouldn't be able to. I also wonder how much simracing contributes to his ability and confidence to make those moves on the real track. It has to have some significance that he was able to try them out so many times in risk-free environment.
Max is untouchable, he can do about anything he wants and he knows it.. and he uses that privilege. He can push you off and receive no penalty... and he does that, deliberately, ALL THE TIME.
As said in this video, Max relies on the other driver to avoid contact, which is wrong but so effective. The thing that annoys me is his complete one sidedness when someone else either doesn't back off and avoid the contact, or puts the same squeeze on him, then we hear "that's what happens when you don't leave space".
@@stuartchadwick5940 lol just classic racing driver mentality tbh, wait 20 years and he'll be applauded for it like senna and schumacher
@@noturbrother I've said further down this thread that he's like a flashback to Schumacher. I don't remember much of Senna as I was young.
Applauded for their results but I'll never get behind that driving style, it's bad sportsmanship and I'll never be ok with it, in any sport.
His bleating and moaning after someone does something to him what he does to everyone makes you wonder what goes on in his brain. Does he think it's 1 rule for him and 1 for everyone else?
@@noturbrother there's something about guys who become world champions or have the skin to accomplish it. They can be rather unpleasant at times. Just like Jordan in the NBA, they were insufferable at times even by their own team mates. But the results.... The results are there. Even Lewis when he was in the hunt for his first title made some lunatic moves that sometimes cost him.
Show the pedals too!
He’s too much confident coz he is an f1 driver resulting to be ambitious to everyone 😅
but not every real life driver is good at online sim racing. max is exception because he is a veteran in sim racing before entering f1.
I think you could put a little bit more effort in this video. The situations you show from the first race could use some footage from outside. A simple RUclips search would have resulted in the official broadcast from this race, plenty off images out there. This would've meant you actually knew what was going on, because you got it wrong when you said Max lost it on his own in Suzuka T1.
guys is really fast... but not a gentlemen in my opinion
Make sure you keep Vettle for sure.
Max way or the highway 🤷♂️
Clearly that is Max's normal driving style as we have seen numerious times on the real world.
Do an analysis of Jarno Opmeer! He's a real-life racing driver but is more well-known for his F1 Esports career. Would be interesting to see how his driving style changes playing Codemasters' F1 💯
He was a real life driver, not anymore right?
@@wegpiraatjochem Not sure mate, I still see clips of his races on his other channel. Though those could just be archives, who knows?
@@francisferdzz yeah they are just archives. he was a racing driver until the money dried up so he went to sim racing
5:48 there might not have been any contact that caused him to spin; but where is the other car?
What if Mansell only shows examples of Verstappen overtaking rather aggressivly and causing contact?
There must have been contact in turn 1 because the other car did not pass. They both spun.