Crime Beat is a really good. I am glad that we have this program in Canada, because it shows us a picture of crime in Canada. The format is strong, realistic and factual without being devoid of feeling for the victim and for the difficulties that police face in solving crimes.
I'm literally in the process of trying to open up a forensics genetic genealogy lab in Onatrio because I had noticed SO many cases were being sent to Othram labs in Texas. An old prof of mine is an OPP detective and told us about how backed up the labs are & I could see the desperate need of these victims families. They deserve to at least know if their loved ones remains get found, and like you guys said - not 40 years later. That's not justice for these poor victims. Glad Othram is joining in the Canadian fight for victims 💪🏼
Do you know how many rape cases go cold cases because communities don't have a budget to pay for it to be sent out?? It's insane. Please look into this. One of those evening crime shows brought this out. Sic
Another one who commits two distinctly horrific crimes on dates and pays the price for just one crime. We have no idea what this guy has REALLY been up to in the 40 YEARS he was free to live his life. Canadian justice system is so incredibly floored IMO!
Been loving all the episodes. Thank you. A suggestion for an episode is to do one on the "Lost Boys" of Pickering. 6 teen boys vanished on Lake Ontario almost 30 years ago.
God Bless these families and friends. I followed this story and so thankful for the capture of fugitive responsible for these murders. I especially enjoyed the family members sharing their special memories of 2 very loved, very missed women from the City of Toronto back in the 1980's. Proof that you can run, but you can never, ever hide forever. Great coverage Crime Beat!
I want to agree with you, but so many of these murderers live outwardly normal lives, have families, have fun, do everyday things with their loved ones. There has to be something more, but gods knows what it is. Susan's daughter said something that really leapt out of the screen: they weaponise parts of themselves. Chilling, frightening and horrific. The most weaponised part of themselves seems to be their brains.
To overpower another is so important to them because they have no deep internal sense of strength. They enjoy the power of hurting their victims, and they also enjoy walking around thinking how clever and powerful they must be to do such things and get away with it. They don't understand that most people could do horrible things but don't, not because they are less clever, strong or powerful, but because they are normal. And normal humans don't need to do horrible things to others to have an inner sense of strength.
Why did this man commit these two horrific crimes? Don't the police ask these questions? If he was remorseful, then he would have said why, no? Two rapes/murders and then he stops and builds a life for himself, becomes a better person. What happened?? It's just incredible to me. R.I.P. Susan Tice & Erin Gilmour XO
They let him plead second, that's like assaulting these two beautiful women all over. Given how they were attacked, raped and murdered by a complete stranger while in their home, he clearly committed first degree murders. Instead he got rewarded for getting away with it for 40 years, enjoying his life. I strongly doubt these were his only violent crimes. I think he just became the wiser in the mid eighties, when the first DNA cases in Britain became a celebrated topic worldwide. There had to be a reason his first questions were: Where did this happen? when did this happen? He tried to figure out which cases they worked on.
I think it's pretty clear as to what his motive was. Power. Always power. It does seem like he was inside those homes before the women got there. Susan was writing in her journal in bed and stopped suddenly, and that is where she was found. The timeframe in Erin's case was very, very small considering all that he did to her. But even if he wasn't already inside, these were 2 single women living alone in rather close proximity to each other but who did not have any connection to each other whatsoever. Which means they could not have been randomly chosen. The perp could not just break into a random house and hope that the only person there was a woman. He would have had to KNOW who they were, that they'd be alone, and where they lived. He must have stalked them. Since Susan had been away all weekend, that means he would have had to stalk her before she had even left for the weekend and was waiting for her return. It would not surprise me if he had been inside Susan's house the whole weekend as he waited and maybe even after the murder because they said her house was a bit messier than normal, possibly ransacked. Surely he'd stolen a couple of things, but not enough that they'd call it a robbery. A robbery does not go wrong by way of rape and stabbing a woman in her bed, but taking a few things after is quite common. He was young and of indigenous descent living in Toronto, maybe for University as he was 22 at the time and they said he does have a degree. But if he was in Uni, that implies that he wasn't living on the streets and was less likely that he took hard drugs or drank to excess. Which also speaks of a young man in Uni who seemed to have this little secret desire. Or maybe there was a different trigger. We will probably never know that but we do know that he intended to commit these crimes and was well prepared for them. I am just glad he decided to stop and move as far away as he could get.
No he won’t, it doesn’t work that way. There’s institutions within corrections Canada that houses people with mental health problems. They don’t release people sentenced to life because they’re not feeling well. He will only be released on parole when the parole board decides to release him but he was sentenced to life and must serve 21 years before parole eligibility, regardless he will be either in prison or on parole until he dies. Being on parole as lifer is not easy, if they don’t do exactly what is required they go back to prison. So that’s how it works.
@@caitlynrastovski5840 I knew Marie for about 3 weeks prior to her passing. Met her and her friend Peggy and wish I could have had more time with them. Lovely ladies. I heard yhey were looking at 2 guys who had prison time but both are gone now so....probably never solved.
@@caitlynrastovski5840 Ive only seen video recreation that indicated two men in an old truck lurking around the area but how they hit on her? Breaks my heart as I knew her for about 3 weeks before seeing it on the news...😥
Something that angers me is when people hear something that sounds off, like a blood-curdling scream, they do not call the police. Why? There’s nothing normal about someone screaming like that late at night. You can save a life! Be proactive and help save lives.
Glad the family got justice but I am sad .. he was obviously not going to recommit by now ..... and now he is in prison .. .. the system is not quite right ... there must be other ways to rehab people ... and to offer healing to families .... we can do better.
No chance for parole, for 21 years?! It's just playing with words to claim the sentence is very harsh. When you say no chance for parole, it means no, none. Not that the guy can apply for it after a certain time.
In one of these "Crime Beat" videos, I heard that after a certain amount of time, coming up for parole was automatic. Can that be true? The families of murder victims were talking about how they never had the chance to heal because they spent six months preparing to combat a parole hearing and six months getting over it and then the next one would be coming up.
@@arolf2524 I believe you are referring to the faint clause hope, which thankfully is now off the table. But sadly there are some really horrific offenders who can still apply for parole under that old law.
They did this one on dateline ? A Canadian story they don’t do many from Canada. But I seen a couple. Have watched every episode of this and dateline lol. I’m from Canada. I’m getting tired of the same stories being on dateline 20/20 48 hours ext and Netflix documentaries. Now this ugh
I too share similar feelings as the daughter- this is a conflicting one. On the one hand it was worth of 20plus years which he got, however, the time span definitely affected his conscience and you can see it tormented him and the fact he lived so far definitely was some sort of isolation. I mean its most likely a death sentence right. That said, he accepted his punishment respectfully. Just a tragedy for all. Kudos to science, ill have to think twice about committing a crime once someone in my fam explores our genealogy lol.
Crime Beat is a really good. I am glad that we have this program in Canada, because it shows us a picture of crime in Canada. The format is strong, realistic and factual without being devoid of feeling for the victim and for the difficulties that police face in solving crimes.
One of the best shows in Canada ❤Thank you Crimebeat 😊
I'm literally in the process of trying to open up a forensics genetic genealogy lab in Onatrio because I had noticed SO many cases were being sent to Othram labs in Texas. An old prof of mine is an OPP detective and told us about how backed up the labs are & I could see the desperate need of these victims families. They deserve to at least know if their loved ones remains get found, and like you guys said - not 40 years later. That's not justice for these poor victims. Glad Othram is joining in the Canadian fight for victims 💪🏼
Do you know how many rape cases go cold cases because communities don't have a budget to pay for it to be sent out?? It's insane. Please look into this. One of those evening crime shows brought this out. Sic
@lila
It's badly needed.
@@ellonysman- great point.
Wishing you best of luck, all the power to you 👏
And 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Hard to imagine he stopped at two victims.
Perhaps he eventually found a girlfriend!
@@mogbaba that shows your lack of understanding around sexual assault. Sex has NOTHING to do with it.
@@mogbaba That's a really sick comment. Do better.
Could be ones before these cases that are still unsolved...
Another one who commits two distinctly horrific crimes on dates and pays the price for just one crime. We have no idea what this guy has REALLY been up to in the 40 YEARS he was free to live his life.
Canadian justice system is so incredibly floored IMO!
Glad they are finally using this now here
Another fascinating and heartbreaking episode, yet I left with a lot of hope. The families’ of the two victims are so admirable. Love this show!!
Been loving all the episodes. Thank you. A suggestion for an episode is to do one on the "Lost Boys" of Pickering. 6 teen boys vanished on Lake Ontario almost 30 years ago.
God Bless these families and friends. I followed this story and so thankful for the capture of fugitive responsible for these murders. I especially enjoyed the family members sharing their special memories of 2 very loved, very missed women from the City of Toronto back in the 1980's. Proof that you can run, but you can never, ever hide forever. Great coverage Crime Beat!
What a fantastic daughter, I can’t imagine having that much compassion, she’s amazing!
She is the example of hating the “sin” but loving the “sinner”.
Thank God for forensic genetic genealogy. There must be a lot of guys right now shaking in their boots waiting for the door knock ...
We need more dna outlets for Police Services!😁
People ask why ... Why? WHY?! - because he's a sick, twisted & disturbed individual. He wanted to, thats why. These demons live among us.
I want to agree with you, but so many of these murderers live outwardly normal lives, have families, have fun, do everyday things with their loved ones. There has to be something more, but gods knows what it is. Susan's daughter said something that really leapt out of the screen: they weaponise parts of themselves. Chilling, frightening and horrific. The most weaponised part of themselves seems to be their brains.
Yeah on these shows they always say ‘why’. There’s no answer, you’re just dealing with the lowest of the low.
To overpower another is so important to them because they have no deep internal sense of strength. They enjoy the power of hurting their victims, and they also enjoy walking around thinking how clever and powerful they must be to do such things and get away with it. They don't understand that most people could do horrible things but don't, not because they are less clever, strong or powerful, but because they are normal. And normal humans don't need to do horrible things to others to have an inner sense of strength.
@@arolf2524 There doesn't need to be anything more. They want to, so they do. They feel entitled.
Why did this man commit these two horrific crimes? Don't the police ask these questions? If he was remorseful, then he would have said why, no? Two rapes/murders and then he stops and builds a life for himself, becomes a better person. What happened?? It's just incredible to me. R.I.P. Susan Tice & Erin Gilmour XO
According to an article I read he of course blames his upbringing and residential school experience , boo hoo .
They let him plead second, that's like assaulting these two beautiful women all over. Given how they were attacked, raped and murdered by a complete stranger while in their home, he clearly committed first degree murders. Instead he got rewarded for getting away with it for 40 years, enjoying his life. I strongly doubt these were his only violent crimes. I think he just became the wiser in the mid eighties, when the first DNA cases in Britain became a celebrated topic worldwide. There had to be a reason his first questions were: Where did this happen? when did this happen? He tried to figure out which cases they worked on.
I think it's pretty clear as to what his motive was. Power. Always power. It does seem like he was inside those homes before the women got there. Susan was writing in her journal in bed and stopped suddenly, and that is where she was found. The timeframe in Erin's case was very, very small considering all that he did to her. But even if he wasn't already inside, these were 2 single women living alone in rather close proximity to each other but who did not have any connection to each other whatsoever. Which means they could not have been randomly chosen. The perp could not just break into a random house and hope that the only person there was a woman. He would have had to KNOW who they were, that they'd be alone, and where they lived. He must have stalked them. Since Susan had been away all weekend, that means he would have had to stalk her before she had even left for the weekend and was waiting for her return. It would not surprise me if he had been inside Susan's house the whole weekend as he waited and maybe even after the murder because they said her house was a bit messier than normal, possibly ransacked. Surely he'd stolen a couple of things, but not enough that they'd call it a robbery. A robbery does not go wrong by way of rape and stabbing a woman in her bed, but taking a few things after is quite common. He was young and of indigenous descent living in Toronto, maybe for University as he was 22 at the time and they said he does have a degree. But if he was in Uni, that implies that he wasn't living on the streets and was less likely that he took hard drugs or drank to excess. Which also speaks of a young man in Uni who seemed to have this little secret desire. Or maybe there was a different trigger. We will probably never know that but we do know that he intended to commit these crimes and was well prepared for them. I am just glad he decided to stop and move as far away as he could get.
He got caugth killing two.....but most probably they were others...
Fantastic show❤
Thank God for IGG Analysis & Thank you for bringing it to Canada ❤
AWESOME!!!!!! God bless you🎉
He will play the crazy card and be out of prison in a few years.
No he won’t, it doesn’t work that way. There’s institutions within corrections Canada that houses people with mental health problems. They don’t release people sentenced to life because they’re not feeling well. He will only be released on parole when the parole board decides to release him but he was sentenced to life and must serve 21 years before parole eligibility, regardless he will be either in prison or on parole until he dies. Being on parole as lifer is not easy, if they don’t do exactly what is required they go back to prison. So that’s how it works.
I wish there was an update to Marie Goudreau 's cold case from Edmonton, Alta😢😢😢❤
Me too, I’m from that area :(
@@caitlynrastovski5840 I knew Marie for about 3 weeks prior to her passing. Met her and her friend Peggy and wish I could have had more time with them. Lovely ladies. I heard yhey were looking at 2 guys who had prison time but both are gone now so....probably never solved.
@@caitlynrastovski5840 Ive only seen video recreation that indicated two men in an old truck lurking around the area but how they hit on her? Breaks my heart as I knew her for about 3 weeks before seeing it on the news...😥
@@caitlynrastovski5840 were you around when she was abducted? I hated Edmonton more after that happenned
@@ellonysman Nope, born 2001
Something that angers me is when people hear something that sounds off, like a blood-curdling scream, they do not call the police. Why? There’s nothing normal about someone screaming like that late at night. You can save a life! Be proactive and help save lives.
Great video guys
2 murders equals 21 years?.
Disgusting...should have been 21 years for each...better yet, lock him up and throw away the key...
Lisa Marie Mendolia 😊
Sutherland is a Savage!
"He doesn't look like a killer" they say 🙆🏽♀🙄. I didn't know killers looked a certain way
Glad the family got justice but I am sad .. he was obviously not going to recommit by now ..... and now he is in prison .. .. the system is not quite right ... there must be other ways to rehab people ... and to offer healing to families .... we can do better.
No chance for parole, for 21 years?!
It's just playing with words to claim the sentence is very harsh. When you say no chance for parole, it means no, none. Not that the guy can apply for it after a certain time.
In one of these "Crime Beat" videos, I heard that after a certain amount of time, coming up for parole was automatic. Can that be true? The families of murder victims were talking about how they never had the chance to heal because they spent six months preparing to combat a parole hearing and six months getting over it and then the next one would be coming up.
@@arolf2524 I believe you are referring to the faint clause hope, which thankfully is now off the table. But sadly there are some really horrific offenders who can still apply for parole under that old law.
So crazy that you can be your own cousin. 😮
Wow
WHY do you have to ruin it with all the background noises and music, impossible to listen to
This is an old episode. Seen it
Stawp lyin'.
Oh, this was in follow-up .. that's why it's called 'Closure'.
Mike Tyson
This episode “Closure” is the same from Dateline a few weeks ago. Much less detail on the case in this Global episode.
They did this one on dateline ? A Canadian story they don’t do many from Canada. But I seen a couple. Have watched every episode of this and dateline lol. I’m from Canada. I’m getting tired of the same stories being on dateline 20/20 48 hours ext and Netflix documentaries. Now this ugh
How do you watch date lune from Canada tho?
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@@Nicocoleyyou can go back and edit your old comment, for example if you made a spelling mistake :)
@@Nicocoley With a VPN
I too share similar feelings as the daughter- this is a conflicting one. On the one hand it was worth of 20plus years which he got, however, the time span definitely affected his conscience and you can see it tormented him and the fact he lived so far definitely was some sort of isolation. I mean its most likely a death sentence right. That said, he accepted his punishment respectfully. Just a tragedy for all. Kudos to science, ill have to think twice about committing a crime once someone in my fam explores our genealogy lol.