I've watched your channel for years. I admire your willingness to give info and pass on knowledge without anything in return. I got SMP done in London and the first two sessions looked really awful. The dots were to big and sparse. Even after the third session, it looked really dark and dots looked huge. Then after about a month, my treatment faded into this nice looking head. I mean, even now after 3 years it looks great. I think your one needle treatment and other franchises' three point needle treatment are different. It would have been a really big mistake for me to ask for a refund after the first session and left London. I am not trying to put your video down, I just thought I would share my experience so if there are people who were in my shoe, you don't have to go all crazy
Thank you for putting real information out there as it helps others :) First, it’s all about how YOU feel wearing it, so that’s perfect you feel it looks great! I’m hearing the difference between good and great. The difference between Subtle P and SMP is huge like I always repeat. I loved my original smp treatment I got in 2009. I loved it up until I removed it and saw the difference between the two styles. I get so excited about the Subtle P process that perhaps I don’t give enough love to the smp process, which can still look amazing. Lastly, how would/do you feel in a “spotlight challenge” situation? If a stranger is up close at a gym or grocery store or outside, will they see ink or be completely fooled?
@@scalp_logic thanks for the long feedback. i have had people really up close and say they can't tell that it is SMP. The only downside is that it looks really light under a very bright light!
My SMP looks good. Just when you look at my head closely, it's very light, and there are patches where the artist did not fill in with ink uniformly, so it is like light patches. I'm going in to hopefully have those areas more dense.
First, your videos are most impressive and informative. Here’s my dilemma. I am a black man I live in Ohio and have hyperpigmentation on my scalp. I’m doing some chemical treatments to lighten my dark areas with Cyspera and it’s a long process. When I shave my head (whether with Pitbull razor or Omnishaver) my head is smooth but, I have huge dark areas that almost look like I still have hair. Now that I’m starting to research this, I’m thinking about doing this procedure instead. Will I be able to do this even though I have hyperpigmentation? Lastly, I’m 59 and don’t want jet black shadow. My beard is white as nanowire and to me that would look crazy!🤣 I just want a nice, even light shadow because I am comfortable being bald. Thanking you in advance if you’re able to answer. MB - Columbus, Ohio
I think a place that says all you need is one session is frightening.i know a barber who got this done and you can see it’s bad Smp from pretty far away . The dots are gigantic and look almost green . He also Had a fade fleshed in it almost turned me away from getting this until I saw REAL results from other stuff guys.
Oh no! The horseshoe pattern back of head is one of the most unsexy things to exist 😅🤣 I have posted pics and videos of the back of my head, and will most certainly post some more all around videos soon as well. 👍🏽
Not Subtle P...because we leave impressions that are same size as real hair follicles. In most SMP cases, yes, shaving down with a razor would expose the (larger) dot size.
@@jeetdeshmukh i did 3 sessions, the first session it faded pretty much . I am now 2 years postop really happy with the results ... It did got a bit lighter so next time I will go a bit a darker because there is always fading after a few weeks to months
It’s a long shot but any connections in the Salem or Portland Oregon area that you recommend? I love your honesty and I wanted to jump into SMP but now I’m taking it slow trying to find the right artist that’s as honest as you two.
@@TheShopGrandOpening When considering an artist, be sure to be able to scrutinize clearly healed and settled results. If you can identify there is “ink” or “something off” please understand there are artists who can do better.
It’s permanent. Also, many individuals will require or desire a touchup within 2-7 years to keep or enhance the vibrancy. Mostly preference and the many variables that play a part such as sun exposure, health of skin, etc. that dictate how a result remains.
you guys seem to know your stuff but are way too far away from me. (I live in PA) I cant afford to fly across country 3-4 times. Who do you recommend on the East Coast for subtle P ? I am sure you aren't the only ones doing smp this way.
Hello 👋 we completely understand. Unfortunately what we do is so unique but we can recommend looking at healed results and speaking to previous clients. Hopefully this helps!
@@ScalpEstetic We don’t train too many folks last few years, but yes I have “trained” hundreds of artists. The problem is that most artists want certificates more than being a bad ass artist. The Subtle P art form takes months and years to master. The SMP industry is dominated by companies offering 4 day crash courses for $5k and a shiny certificate. There are incompetent artists everywhere.
I question the artists statement that he can tell that the artist who botched this SMP has skills. The botched SMP was not done by a skilled artist, as there is major bleeding, and the person couldn't even get the color right.
I was trying to throw a little bit of love and encouragement, but in regards to trying to make this look real as real hair, the artist did set this man backwards in life :(
@@scalp_logic , 100%, he needs called out for doing such a had job, and ruining a customers confidence like that. I feel like he was inking the same areas and causing bleeding, and maybe using larger needles than 3's, because kine were done in 3's, and aren't even close to that large. I'm currently studying to eventually become an SMP artist.
@@johnthree1611 I am doing all I can to call out all of the smp work that doesn't look real for the sake of a bald guy lacking confidence. Lots of busy artsit's and companies doing similar work, as a bald guy I cant be quiet about it! Best luck to you sir. If you think of any info I can put on internet to help aspiring artists please let us know :)
I've watched your channel for years. I admire your willingness to give info and pass on knowledge without anything in return. I got SMP done in London and the first two sessions looked really awful. The dots were to big and sparse. Even after the third session, it looked really dark and dots looked huge. Then after about a month, my treatment faded into this nice looking head. I mean, even now after 3 years it looks great. I think your one needle treatment and other franchises' three point needle treatment are different. It would have been a really big mistake for me to ask for a refund after the first session and left London. I am not trying to put your video down, I just thought I would share my experience so if there are people who were in my shoe, you don't have to go all crazy
Thank you for putting real information out there as it helps others :)
First, it’s all about how YOU feel wearing it, so that’s perfect you feel it looks great!
I’m hearing the difference between good and great.
The difference between Subtle P and SMP is huge like I always repeat. I loved my original smp treatment I got in 2009. I loved it up until I removed it and saw the difference between the two styles.
I get so excited about the Subtle P process that perhaps I don’t give enough love to the smp process, which can still look amazing.
Lastly, how would/do you feel in a “spotlight challenge” situation? If a stranger is up close at a gym or grocery store or outside, will they see ink or be completely fooled?
@@scalp_logic thanks for the long feedback. i have had people really up close and say they can't tell that it is SMP. The only downside is that it looks really light under a very bright light!
@@potbelly5928 Super cool good sir :)) That’s the way it should be 💯
My SMP looks good. Just when you look at my head closely, it's very light, and there are patches where the artist did not fill in with ink uniformly, so it is like light patches. I'm going in to hopefully have those areas more dense.
Perfectly explained 🤝
First, your videos are most impressive and informative. Here’s my dilemma. I am a black man I live in Ohio and have hyperpigmentation on my scalp. I’m doing some chemical treatments to lighten my dark areas with Cyspera and it’s a long process. When I shave my head (whether with Pitbull razor or Omnishaver) my head is smooth but, I have huge dark areas that almost look like I still have hair. Now that I’m starting to research this, I’m thinking about doing this procedure instead. Will I be able to do this even though I have hyperpigmentation? Lastly, I’m 59 and don’t want jet black shadow. My beard is white as nanowire and to me that would look crazy!🤣 I just want a nice, even light shadow because I am comfortable being bald. Thanking you in advance if you’re able to answer. MB - Columbus, Ohio
I think a place that says all you need is one session is frightening.i know a barber who got this done and you can see it’s bad Smp from pretty far away . The dots are gigantic and look almost green . He also Had a fade fleshed in it almost turned me away from getting this until I saw REAL results from other stuff guys.
Yes, those results are scary to see!
You need to recommend SL to your barber ASAP, so they can tell him how to get laser and come back and get it done right, by Joe at Scalp Logic.
Can i see your back sir still no brown horseshoe ? I have done mine but when in comes in yellow light it is obvious.
Oh no! The horseshoe pattern back of head is one of the most unsexy things to exist 😅🤣
I have posted pics and videos of the back of my head, and will most certainly post some more all around videos soon as well. 👍🏽
Thank you always
Thank you for watching and supporting :)))
won't the dots stand out if you shave it down with a razor blade ?
Not Subtle P...because we leave impressions that are same size as real hair follicles.
In most SMP cases, yes, shaving down with a razor would expose the (larger) dot size.
You do ZOOM of telephone consultation? I'm from KY. Thanks
Hi 👋 Yes of course. Call or text us @ 424-335-3495 to set something up :)
My SMP after my first head wash almost faded by 60 percent. I only had one session done yet
It's normal
@@jay-wl2di I got my second session two. 11 days post it now. How many have you done?
@@jeetdeshmukh i did 3 sessions, the first session it faded pretty much . I am now 2 years postop really happy with the results ... It did got a bit lighter so next time I will go a bit a darker because there is always fading after a few weeks to months
@@jay-wl2di ah nice. You did it in the Uk? So you need more even after 3 sessions. I am assuming a top up is needed every 2-3 years maybe?
@@jeetdeshmukh i live in the Netherlands but did it in the uk guy called scalptist ...did a good a job.. yes i will go next year for a topup probably
It’s a long shot but any connections in the Salem or Portland Oregon area that you recommend? I love your honesty and I wanted to jump into SMP but now I’m taking it slow trying to find the right artist that’s as honest as you two.
Unfortunately no 👎 although we love that area. We recommend looking at healed results and speaking to previous clients.
If anyone knows of anyone doing subtle pigmentation with small impression sizes like this in the UK, please let us know.
Anyone utilizing a single needle fully. Up close healed results tell the full story.
Creative scalps,look him up probably the best in the country 🤘
@@aus2230 Thanks Glen. We hear that often, he is very talented.
@@scalp_logic so are you dude just different countries 🤘
Is the location only in TX?
Yes it is, our only permanent location at the moment. 😀
$500 bucks for smp treatment, at a price all competitors just can't beat. Only catch is, I use Sharpie markers.
😂 Respect for the honesty!!! ✊🏼✊🏽✊
@@scalp_logic no, I was just kidding, I don't practice SM at all. I am considering treatment.
@@TheShopGrandOpeningAbsolutely. Just running 🏃 with it :)
@@TheShopGrandOpening When considering an artist, be sure to be able to scrutinize clearly healed and settled results. If you can identify there is “ink” or “something off” please understand there are artists who can do better.
Great topic
Thank you! It was actually a recent comment on one of our videos :)
does getting lazer removal impact the future healing process if one were to go and get SMP again after getting lazer removal?
No. After the initial healing period of 4-6 weeks, the skin is primed and healthy to apply smp.
How long does SMP last?
It’s permanent. Also, many individuals will require or desire a touchup within 2-7 years to keep or enhance the vibrancy.
Mostly preference and the many variables that play a part such as sun exposure, health of skin, etc. that dictate how a result remains.
If smp ink is bad or of artist use wrong ink what time will it take for the smp to change its color
Please let the lady speak
You’re right 😊
you guys seem to know your stuff but are way too far away from me. (I live in PA) I cant afford to fly across country 3-4 times. Who do you recommend on the East Coast for subtle P ?
I am sure you aren't the only ones doing smp this way.
Hello 👋 we completely understand. Unfortunately what we do is so unique but we can recommend looking at healed results and speaking to previous clients. Hopefully this helps!
@@ScalpEstetic We don’t train too many folks last few years, but yes I have “trained” hundreds of artists.
The problem is that most artists want certificates more than being a bad ass artist.
The Subtle P art form takes months and years to master.
The SMP industry is dominated by companies offering 4 day crash courses for $5k and a shiny certificate. There are incompetent artists everywhere.
I question the artists statement that he can tell that the artist who botched this SMP has skills. The botched SMP was not done by a skilled artist, as there is major bleeding, and the person couldn't even get the color right.
I was trying to throw a little bit of love and encouragement, but in regards to trying to make this look real as real hair, the artist did set this man backwards in life :(
@@scalp_logic , 100%, he needs called out for doing such a had job, and ruining a customers confidence like that. I feel like he was inking the same areas and causing bleeding, and maybe using larger needles than 3's, because kine were done in 3's, and aren't even close to that large. I'm currently studying to eventually become an SMP artist.
@@johnthree1611 I am doing all I can to call out all of the smp work that doesn't look real for the sake of a bald guy lacking confidence.
Lots of busy artsit's and companies doing similar work, as a bald guy I cant be quiet about it!
Best luck to you sir. If you think of any info I can put on internet to help aspiring artists please let us know :)
@@scalp_logic , Thank you.
Dude hard to listen. You keep interrupting the girl.
Well thanks for trying to watch it 😄
😄🤣