Phantom Shower, the next possible Zelda Title, or maybe how Ganon manages to stay clean without actually taking showers? Don't know about that Green Tan though lmao
I strongly suggest this fanbase makes a guild if they try the sponsor. Most guilds accepting members before I quit playing were ones trying to not die out or felt very inactive. The more active ones ignore you even if you meet requirements (despite you being the only person interested I might add Edit: and yes, I was responding when they were advertising), then the dying guilds start sending invites to you immediately. The amount you can do without friends or a guild gets pretty limited. Also before I left, the global chat had 0 moderation.... It was less than pleasant on Switch. Maybe it's better on other platforms, but I think it's infinitely better to be in a guild only chat. As for positives, it's definitely a nice vibe game to play solo. Do as you please essentially. I did enjoy dragon hunting and doing the dungeons that you can basically skip through super easy if you know the layout.
I love the subtle detail of Link having a reflection in the water when he first enters the room that vanishes when he crosses the island and then both Link's have no reflections at this point and that Dark Link starts off shadow like being more cautious/curious/innocent but grows more enraged and aggressive with each attack from Link.
@@muhammadghifari2379 i believe the triggger for the fight is in the middle island and you can run around the room without triggering it on 3ds. I havent played in a few years but if i remember right link never dissapears until you get close to the island.
I always thought about how messed up link would be going through this much shit as basically child. Majora's mask shows us a man in a child's body so OOT really did a number on link. Anyway if you were to create a fresh copy of him without his memories but all his negative emotion you would end up with dark link. Something that grows more frustrated with you over time.
@@FeedMeSalt I believe Aonuma actually mentions that in an interview. Might have been an Iwata Asks. Saying that Link in MM is supposed to be someone who's kinda too mature for his own age.
@@TakumiJoyconBoyz yep that's exactly where I got that info from! That and we'll, he can do alot more flips, he wields a shield fitted for his own size instead of a turtle shell, and he in general is dealing with some seriously immense shit. His kit and even his face art work all show a more grown hero. And I mean, he slams vodka milk like it's water ;)
I still love the idea that the moment Gannondorf transformed into Gannon is when the time line split. All three pieces were active, Gannon wishing to kill Link, Link wishing to save Hyrule from Gannon's reign, and Zelda wishing they hadn't let him come to power in the first place, so now the infinite power of the gods is trying to make three mutually exclusive things happen at once, and the timeline splits
The timeline didn't split there though. It split because Zelda sent Link back in time to stop Ganandorf in the past which created the 2nd timeline. The 3rd timeline is not a timeline at all but an alternate reality, one in which Ganon still loses in the end.
Your theory for Bongo Bongo is honestly genius dude what a hot take It would explain both the Dead Hand's hands and Bongo's hands and their elongated/ chopped heads and necks if those were a common method of torture the Sheikah employed It makes a horrifying amount of sense
Tbh, there is probably a possibility that Twinrova is Ganondorf’s mother, and Kotake + Kaome are his sarrogate mothers since they are technically his mothers but not fully.
Individually, they cannot carry children, but fused, they can. I had the same thought when that was mentioned. Wonder how they dealt with being one person for a whole pregnancy term? There must have been a lot of internal conflict considering how they clash at the end of their battle.
Maybe a random Gerudo birthed him, per random chance. The de facto leaders would take him and raise him in their way to be the best leader for their people. And if he was born into a family that isn't the Gerudo Royal Family, maybe he's obliged to marry a daughter of the royals to both keep him the King and keep the royal line intact and in power.
@@BanditGames I think there is a fake prize thing claiming to be you. Hope this isnt annoying to be @ ed but it might be a serious issue if you do nothing about it. It's also the second one of them I've gotten from a youtuber in 2 days, so I think it's fake. Please can you do something about it? Once more sorry to directly @ you
@@stevenhicks7613 Fair enough. Only thing is, I think he'd choose slay before lay regardless of Ruto's age, appearance, or race. I doubt he would care at all for the Zora's traditions even if the offer was made.
Dorf: gimme the jewel King Zora: well my kid daughter has to give it to you and if she does, it makes you her husband. And i get to call you "son" Dorf:.........poison the local deity again it is
Dont forget in old times Like Zelda is implied to be in, 11 was old enough. plus.... if you need a reason for wacky or awkwardness... just remember. "Japan"
Three Words: Giant. Dead. Dodongo. I want to fight THAT thing when it was still alive. Also wanna fight Volvagia back when the Megaton Hammer was originally used to defeat him.
Adding to your bongo bongo theory, the spirit pretty clearly goes after sheik. A sheika, like the people that captured and tortured the spirits. So vengeful spirits makes alot of sense there
Ganon's form is from using the Trfiroce of Power specifically, you see him use it/activate it before transforming in OOT. He is a powerful wizard but he becomes the Powerful King of Evil once he has a single triforce piece. If he was truly a reincarnation of evil itself, parallel to that of Zelda being the reincarnation of a literal goddess, he'd have way more power in OOT that he wouldn't have to use Diplomacy and a Coup as a war tactic. This is true as well in TP, when he breaks his chains and kills the sage he's seen activating the Triforce's power (hence why its such a shock or cruel joke rrom the Goddesses) and when he adfivates the triforce you see he begins to grow *tusks*, alluding to his big pig form. (Using Twilit magic could also explain the form is more animalstic in TP than bipedal in OOT). Ganon also just literally doesn't look like Demise's monstrous form, Demise looks a bit like Ganon as a means of visual connection for us the players, but thats as far as it gets imo. Demise's curse applies to all the main big bads the players encounter in Zelda. Vaati is like a huge example of being a incarnation of Demise *without* there being a Ganondorf present in the game.
@@stephanos6128 "Demise looks a bit like Ganon as a means of visual connection for us the players, but thats as far as it gets imo." Yes, that's visual shorthand informing the player that Demise's curse is directly connected to Ganondorf, as is his flaming red hair, which Hyrule Historia confirmed was to signify their connection. Skyward Sword was written to explain the triad of Link/Zelda/Ganon. Link is the reincarnation of the hero, Zelda is the bloodline of the Goddess, and Ganon is the incarnation of the Demon King's hatred. There is zero evidence of Vaati having any connection to the curse, with Vaati's only appearance in a Nintendo-developed game playing second fiddle to a resurrected Ganondorf. Also, you're under the mistaken assumption that Ganondorf should gain some power from being the incarnation of Demise's curse, but there's nowhere that that's implied. Demise didn't reincarnate, his soul was trapped in the Master Sword for eternity. Ganondorf only retains the Demon King's feelings of resentment and hatred for Link and Zelda, which is exactly why he goes out of his way to attack them during Ocarina of Time.
@@flamemasterelan The Vaati your thinking of is FS Adventure, which if u wanna bring up the timeline comes way later. however in FS and Minish Cap, which comes directly after SS where Demise makes his curse, Vaati is indeed his own villain, unrelated to Ganondorf. Yet he is still evil, and seeks power and wanrs to kill Link and Zelda, just as Demise said. Vaati is not a reincarnation of Demise, but an example of his curse coming to fruition. Ganondorf is the same idea, just a fairly consistent one, and theres a reason for that, it's been the same Ganon in every game. OP said Ganon, the pig monster, is a result of Demise's curse. Its not, it clearly shows he transforms using the power from the TRFIROCE. This is shown twice now with OOT and TP. His power comes from his own skill (he was raised by witches, again they are evil beings before Ganondorf, meaning evil has and always will exist outside of him.), later given a major boost via the triforce, he only transforms or is a pig when he specifically has a piece of the Triforce on him. Thats got nothing to do with Demise imo. what i mean is ive seen people saying Demise and Ganon are related on a like, level that Hylia and Zelda are related, which I think isn't true. Demise said his (as well as the demon clan) hatred will follow them forever which does explain Link Zelda and Ganon but it also explains main bosses in other games who are not Ganon ie Vaati, Majora and Cole/Malladus, or monsters who just exist outside of Ganon's influence (Bongo Bongo, dead hand, redeads.) I chose Vaati because he was an example I remember vividly where Ganondorf wasn't his main goal, or the final villain. People have this weird idea that Ganondorf has no control over his actions and is like some victim... brainwashed or forced into a curse taking away his agency and even political charisma. Everytime he reincarnates (which hasn't happened yet that we know of, he is only revived) Demise's curse would suddenly turn this kid evil, which i don't think that's how Demise's curse works. (cus it doesn't explain the passed Gerudo kings who never got a story yet, and are never mentioned in history as consistently evil. It also takes away the civil war that occurs before OOT which again Ganondorf wasn't involved in. Everything post time split is a result of the actions of a singular man, and the Royal Families own incompetence, but evil has been present and plagueing the royal family before Ganondorf even existed. THAT Is what Demise's curse is about imo) I guess I'm tryna say Demise is somewhat a personification of Evil and Evil will follow them to ends of the earth in every form imagineable and the most consistent just hapoens to be Ganondorf, which is only because it's been the same One Evil Ganondorf... TP Wind Waker, Downfall Timeline have all been the *same* one guy who wanted revenge in OOT. he outirght says this at the end of the Game and something similar in TP. Constant revivals can do a number on the mental state as we saw in WW. So while yes, it is Demise's curse coming to fruition, Ganondorf himself also stated he will seek revenge in OOT, and since he hasn't died yet it's been the same singluar man seeking revenge up until at least the 10k year time skip. That's however *his* decision, not Demiss making him do as people like to make it out to be. Another example would be the Yiga, they are Demise's curse coming to fruition, sure theyre not malice made beings but they *are* evil chasing and trying to kill off the Goddess and the Hero and that is *mainly* cus of the actions of the Royal Family, not cus Demise or Ganon told them to. They follow Ganondorf out of pure spite and hatred though they really don't seem to worship him outside of like solidarity. Demise's curse is just similar to the phrase "A Plague on both ye Houses." or "May you never know peace." with like extra wording. Like Romeo and Juliet's death is not the result of Marquitio's final words, but a eventual event due to the actions of others (theyre family). I feel Demise's curse is a similar idea. Not necesarilly an actual magical curse that can be broken, but a sort of threat and karma. As long as those two exist, evil will follow. If we kill Ganondorf, the curse does not lift, but nor does that mean Ganondorf could return bigger and badder. I'm saying someone *else* will just replace him. Demise didn't say he has a descendant who will haunt them, he said his and the demon clans hatred will haunt them, which is more metaphorical than literal. Sometimes that is Ganon (cus its the same one guy seeking revenge), sometimes it is not. Demise's curse refers to all evil all together, he looks like Ganon as a visual connection, but i think its just cus Ganon has been the cinsistent bad guy throughout the games. But Vaati, Majora and Malladus are also part of this curse as their own individual bad guys. but theyre not blood related, Ganondorf is not a reincarnation of Demise. He is not Demise turned human and has some inherent need to be evil cus his Demise blood says so. Thats not how the curse works. ah tldr. The curse explains the feud I just dont think it outright explains Ganondorf as an existance....? If that makes sense. Cus theres examples where Demise's curse doesnt involve him.
@@flamemasterelan sorry for the long reply, i wanna also mention we might have a miscommunication going on cus i personally dont see Demise and Ganondorf as being related via reincarnation. nor do i think he gets his power from Demise, thats soemthing I was trying to explain to OP is a wrong idea. My wording was a bit off looking at my comment, sorry. again you say he has demise resentment towards Link and Zelda, but thats *after* the game when hes defeatsd by them. Ganon having resentment toward Link and Zelda prior to his defeat takes away his agency I think, making it seem like he's inherently evil cus of Demise cursing him to be as such, and not cus of his own actions and greec. Hell he even *spares* Link when they first meet face to face, if Demise had influence over him, he'd kill Link on the spot cus he would know better not to underestimate this kid a second time. WW shows Ganondorfs agency and jealousy is his own, and his evil deeds is also his own decisions, uninfluenced by Demise. Wanting to exterminate Link and Zeldas descendants does parallels Demise's curse but again thats a revenge seeking mentality and a decision Ganon himself makes. It keeps following Link and Zelda cus its been the same Ganon over and over. I wager if Ganondorf were to properly reincarnate, like Link and Zelda do, he wouldn't do evil deeds outright (unless the plot calls for it), cus it wouldn't be the same man, and then someone else evil will instead take the form of Demise's curse. But idk if Nintendo wants to take such risk (depsite hainvg dine it before again Majora, Cole/Malladus, and Vaati.)
@@stephanos6128 No, Ganondorf doesn't hate Link and Zelda personally, as of Ocarina of Time. But he's still Demise's incarnation of hatred enacted through his curse. That's why he grows disdainful of the Kingdom of Hyrule in the first place and decides to conquer it, kill the king, temporarily abandon his conquest mid-mission, and try to kill two ten year olds. Ganondorf is still his own person, so he doesn't start out hating anything, but he was always destined to develop that hatred because that's the nature of fate.
Theory about Bongo Bongo: The man who's house stood where the well was became an early "poe" BB, which then fed off the spirits of the dead in the well to grow and mutate into that massive form. It's kind of like how Jalhalla from WW himself is his own entity (the mask), but his body is made of his poe minions.
I've been in a Legend of Zelda D&D campaign for over a year now, and it's a convergence of a post-BOTW and an OOT past, and so many of these theories match our story which is SO FUN! Like Deadhand was the product of a mad Yiga scientist in a lab in Kakariko's well who fused with his Sheikah subjects and was made of so many people. Great video!
@@pagansaiyan8114 a pokemon one? sounds very cool!! ours is like, malice is reinfecting the world 10 years after botw ended, and its yiga + astor + ganon, its really dang cool. a pokemon campaign sounds super fun
@@tiredalexander9935 yeah it was. It didn't last as long as I wanted but it was one of our best. We were former masters trying to redeem ourselves but ultimately we ended up slaying the current champ, taking his pokemon and capturing the detective that was hassleing us in a pokeball. We tried to do it right but those nat 1s had another agenda
Everyone’s talking about how we could see more of the Zonai tribe in BOTW2, but I personally hope we get to see more of the mysterious/creepy side of the Sheikah. I love what breath of the wild did with them, but in that game they don’t really embody the whole ‘shadow tribe’ thing that they’re known for. TLDR: more creepy torture chambers please!
The Sheikah Tribe in BotW are a very benevolent people. Almost too benevolent... Unless they're secretly allied with the Yiga then they must have some murderous secrets - the King's enemies won't have interrogated themselves.
Bandit this was so much fun! Zelda bosses are one of the most important things in a zelda game, and I really hope you do this for more Zelda games. (Please do Twilight princess)
3:31 - Those first three dungeons all happen in living (or once living) creatures. You have the Inside the Great Deku Tree, Dodongo's Cavern, and Inside Jabu-Jabu's Belly. That's not just a reference to the Dodongo skull in the back of the central room, it's also a reference to the fact that the ceiling is made of a giant *ribcage*. I think I heard that in the, "A Masterclass in Subtext" video on RUclips. And that's a REALLY cool detail to notice... except that... did that Dodongo skull on the back wall die with his head up another Dodongo's ass?
I had the head canon that the dead tree Dark Link came from represented his guilt in the fact that he couldn't save the Deku Tree, which was in a way, his father.
Gotta give credit; I had never really considered the dark link fight as a trial built into the place by the Zora. Even my old ass that played the game at release learned something new.
@@erner_wisal its a meme about when you fight the boss, its tough, and when it becomes a unlockable playable character, it sucks in comparrison, to its bossfight. for example, malenia, blade of miquella is a tough boss, no? well when you kill her all you get is her sword and armor, when you cosplay as her, you are not nearly as tough.
I always thought Morpha created Dark link in OOT. The whole time in the temple you are in the water and as morpha controls it, morpha studies Link. Movements, attacks, going into thoughts and fights. This way it gains an idea of who link is but also because water is going into link too. The whole time Morpha is in the giant room where dark link is and decides to use the part of Morpha that’s in Link to attack him. This is why when Link first enters it looks like a lake with a tree in the middle, but also there’s links reflection. Upon passing over the island links reflection is gone as this is where Morpha hides, using all the knowledge and being inside link too, dark link is created to attack Link while Morpha leaves to go back to the main boss room. Then when dark link is defeated the room turns back to normal as the part of Morpha there is now defeated. When going to the boss room to face Morpha, link recognises the water there is different as he is now aware of water that has Morpha in it after the Dark link battle. This is my thoughts anyways
In the German version Navi even says about Dark Link: "Besiege deine Schwarze Seele" Literal Translation: "Defeat your black soul" And THIS sounds pretty much interesting
There is a book in french (not by Nintendo) who dig deep into the meaning of Ocarina of Time, as being the whole process of a person from child to adult but also the journey of a hero like in old legends; In these legends, there is the hero, but the state of the kingdom is the state of the being itself (remember Hyrule, but also stuff like The Lion King), as the legend is about someone and his personal, mystical journey, not an actual place. Same for every characters, they are concepts, not people. The princess (Zelda) is the soul of the hero, the truth, goal of every sacred knight. The dragon or demon (Ganondorf) is the devil, who dont want the hero to succeed. Let me just warn you that in mystical enlightment (what legends are made to teach), sexuality and soul are tied. Monks dont interact with womens, knights make vows of chastity etc. So, mature stuff here; The journey; 1 Deku tree the end of childhood (*kokiri are all childs, and Deku tree is a father) *Encounter with young Zelda at the castle (aka the young soul of the hero at the "center of the kingdom"), she now something dark is lurking but need the hero and his WILL to fight it. 2 Gorons the world of MENS, big muscular guys, they want to enter a cavern, first encounter with sexuality and desire. Primal instincts, pushed forward by the prehistoric theme (gorons are cavemens, dodongos are dinosaurs). 3 Zora entering a being and team-up with a girl, she give you "her most precious possession, but dont tell father". The Zora jewel is an union symbol. Journey-wise; first sex. Also the water is a symbol tied to the flow of energy coming from the soul (who is tied to sexual energy), so having first sex and first encounter with water-themed level at the same moment in the game is not a coincidence. But the Zora princess is not the right girl, she's not Zelda, she's not the sacred soul the hero should be loyal to. So the evil can take control of the hero/kingdom, aka Ganondorf "steal" the princess and ruin everything. Remember, Ganondorf is an embodiment of what the hero should fight inside itself, the ascension to power of a ruthless grown man without morals. Adulthood. The hero lost his path and now the kingdom is ruined. He encounter his soul (Zelda disguised as Sheik), she guide him, but he cant see her for what she is in his state . 4 Forest Temple return to the origins of things to find his way. The remnants of childhood are gone (kokiri are gone) He "identity" his enemy (ghost Ganondorf), who he must fight to save the kingdom/itself. 5 Fire Temple So Gorons are embodiment of sexual appetite and primal instinct, they were starving during the first act, now they find themselves fed to a beast, "prisonners" of the same concept. The Fire Temple is litteraly Hell. The hero must overcome his own instincts to have his mind in place to begin his mystical journey anew. 6 Water Temple This one is interesting. Water is a symbol of the "soul flow"; and water doesn't flow. Zora domain is frozen, and Hylia Lake is mostly dry. The hero must make the energy flow again. "Overcome itself" (Dark Link), playing with the water (energy) level using the ROYAL song, and destroying the parasite who cause the water to be so low. 7 Shadow Temple Overcoming (the fear of) Death 8 Spirit Temple (perfect name) Overcoming the attachment to the material world and "what he may offer" using the very sexualized Gerudo womens to convey this idea. The tentation for what is essentially meaningless in comparison to a princess (the soul/truth). Remember the imagery of snakes all around, and the worst enemy in the game is actually the pretty girl Nabooru, the lair of the boss is hidden beneath the face of a beautiful and attractive idol, and the boss itself is a woman... Ganondorf lived here, this is his home. He's a child of the desire, he want everything basically. 9 Time to get the Kingdom back. The hero is now worthy, his soul (Zelda/Sheik) reveal herself before his eyes. But he must fight a last battle within itself to reach it. After several trials, he finally force his enemy to reveal his true form, that of an hideous beast, a pig, and can kill him now that his sacred soul is at his side (Light arrows). And THAT explain why the final scene take place in the sky when he's face to face with Zelda. He reached his soul of light, It's heaven, nirvana, whatever you call it. It's not a surprise if Ocarina of Time was so successful, more than any game he is following the pattern of actual legends made to speak to the soul itself and encourage to take on a journey to gather force, courage and wisdom.
Something cool about the dragon in death mountain if you read the manga of ocarina of Time link actually raised volviagia and Ganon turned him evil hurting link after he killed it the dragons final words were "link" that's why when you kill it his head is left and you can see it trying to talk
16:48 I just thought of something: Would that plan even have worked if Ganondorf got all the pieces together? When he tried to get it initially, it split, what would make the second time any different? Wouldn’t those pieces just go to some other folks who embody those traits better? Or am I missing something?
Once the triforce spilts once, one of the wielders can locate the other two and get them, the power of the triforce pieces being transferred over. It’s only when Gannondord tried to get them then they were complete that it split.
Think of it like the Goddesses intervening in the only way they felt they could without interfering too much. "we will delay him but we can not directly stop him. it is up to you hero" trope.
In the Downfall Timeline, Ganondorf/Ganon had managed to acquire the full Triforce, due to the fact that he obtained the other two pieces that got away, before the Imprisoning War took place, and he was sealed within the Evil Realm/Dark World, but still with the full Triforce intact. This is why you obtain the full Triforce, when you beat the game, in A Link to the Past. In the Adult Timeline, when Ganondorf knocked out Link and Zelda, he was able to take the Triforce pieces they had, and assemble the full Triforce, but he counted his chickens before the eggs hatched and forgot to actually touch the Triforce, when he tried to make his wish fully realized, allowing King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule to touch the Triforce and make his own wish, instead, resulting in the old Hyrule being washed away. To answer your question, yes, Ganondorf can obtain the power of the full Triforce, as long as he acquires the two other pieces that got away from him. The legend that Sheik tells Link, before he reveals himself as Princess Zelda, even states that if your heart is imbalanced, and you only obtain one piece of the Triforce, you must seek out the other two pieces to fully realize your wish, with those other two pieces going to two other people chosen by destiny.
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Worship is something that happens in your heart. It's a feeling of exultation and love for one's god that grows into outward actions. Singing, working, making art, teaching others, leading people, standing up for good, or anything can be worship if the action is done from the heart in feeling of awe and desire to be closer to the worshipped.
Great video! I'd never really considered the origin of the Dead Hand much, in relation to the Hylians--just figured it was some scary creature. Both things can be true, of course, but I like your idea of it being a Hylian creation, and that Bongo Bongo might be a giant Poe. Good stuff!
I loved this video, especially on speculations like that of Dark Link, but I have to make a small correction: the Triforce of Power is not the only thing that allows Ganondorf to transform into Ganon, the trident of Fours Sword Adventure also allowed the new Ganondorf to transform into Ganon, this then makes me think that in order to transform, Ganondorf needs to use a huge amount of power, in most games, he uses the power of the Triforce of Power, while in FSA he uses the power of the Trident and everything he has accumulated over the course of the game
You know. I always just wanted to stay in Kokiri Forest. It's nice there. Bloody Deku tree getting infected making Link go in there and start fires.... See ya Bandit.
I remember vortexxygaming having a similar theory about Dark Link, that being the personification of the person’s negative emotions and thoughts and having to conquer that entity to venture further into the temple. R.I.P. vortexxygaming… Also, about the goddesses leaving the triforce, I think part of the reason is because the world is dependent upon some form of power or presence of the goddesses to continue to exist. Case and point, Lorule began to crumble away and turn dark when Hilda’s ancestors wished for their triforce to destroy itself.
5:07 Volvagia's curse in the novel's storyline shows that Gerudo merchants in Castle Town sold a baby Volvagia to Zelda and Link at a young age. Volvagia being cursed in a Hyper Rage, with Link having to slay his pet. If you ever had to read the graphic novel of Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, it was sold at Barnes & Noble.
Absolutely love your thoughts on the Zelda bosses. Super fun, yes please do more if that is what you would like! I havn’t thought to deeply on Zelda bosses. One game that does have me curious that people don’t talk about to often. Is, A Link Between Worlds, really like the concept of going into walls and the world of Lorule.
my favorite theory about bongo bongo is that he was the leader of a bunch of sheikah traitors and thieves, evidence supporting it is the fact that in the past, thieves would get some limbs cut off (including heads and hands) in some tribes of africa, probably influencing the way bongo bongo was tortured, and also the sheikah traitor clan that is shown in botw, which wear masks of sheikah eyes upside down, similar to how bongo bongo is hung upside down
Man I would love to see more of these videos for other games in the series. The lore of Zelda games has recently become a big interest of mine as having that knowledge makes the games so much more immersive and I really loved your in depth explanations and theories.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THE "GANONDORF TOOK ALL THE DRAGONS TO FEED TO THE GORONS- TOOK ALL THE GORONS TO FEED TO THE DRAGON" IN THE TERMINALMONTAGE VIDEO WASN'T A JOKE??
This is the second time I watch this... I just enjoy your videos that much pretty much anything you can produce on zelda i've watched it. As a matter of fact I don't think there's a single video you have produced on zelda that I haven't watched at this point
I like the dark link take. Also I thought Ganondorf was demise in a past life and demise kept reincarnating just as zelda and link do. Kinda like that one story where 2 lovers always find each other in every life but then the same man reincarnates and kills them in every life. I think its a DC story or something.
Yeah... not exactly Demises curse stated that the demom tribe curse and his hatred will follow them until the end forever. Ganondorf never reincarnated, he was just born and fate caused him to continue legacy of demise. The curse is more of a "you are fated to fight evil all over until the end of time" fated curse, and ganondorf is just one of its elements i giess
If you don't know , Bongo Bongo embodies the medieval means of executing traitors. It's upside down from being strapped to a torture device. Cutting off hands meant thief , like giving secrets hidden in a musical morse code. And marching drums were played during public beheadings , bongo just sounds better. Given that Ganon was the ruler at the time , and Impa was keeping Zelda from him. Bongo Bongo could have been summoned to execute Impa as a traitor. Hopefully , she made into the Shadow Temple's passage before such a thing happened. Bongo Bongo hadn't been awakened before she went inside.
I really love dark link because other than shadow link, links physical shadow brought to life through magic, dark link is the embodiment of links thirst for power. Conquering himself and his longing for power is just so cool.
As someone who knows the lore, I still really enjoyed this video, I would definitely recommend this to someone who wanted to learn about it, because you are very accurate
@9:05 I agree, I always believed that "Dark Link" is always just a reflection of the one who enters that room... If Ruto made it in there, she'd face "Dark Ruto"
Oooh, I really like your theory about how Bongo Bongo could be a giant poe that fed off the spirits of the dead under the well. I've seen so many Zelda theories and people still manage to find new clues and ideas.
A small detail about goron link, the reason he is named link is simply because you clear dodongos cavern as a child and this impresses darunia so much he names his first born son after their tiny liberator. It wasn't mentioned and I figured you'd make a laugh out of it.
It's fun to see the different theories about bosses. I especially love the Bongo Bongo theories. My favorite it that he was originally one of the master tormenters that was sealed under the well because of how evil he was. Bongo Bongo is the evil ghost of that person. (He got his hands and head cut off)
I really liked your explanation on bongo bongo it really made sense that he was a massive collection of spirits that were tortured and killed the enemies of the hyrulian family and due to their anger, and fear combined to become their own entity
I love windwaker Ganondorf I know he isn’t in it a lot but you can see pain regret and try emotion in the little dialogue he has especially at the last fights with him as he mocks you and calls you a basically a reborn hero of time fetch boy of the gods and you can see his disgust for them as he talks and facial animations it’s awesome
17:52 Its suggested in Two Worlds that a Tri-Force must exist within a world for that world to exist and that destroying to fully removing the Tri-Force from that world leads to that world crumbling into ruin. This could also function as an explanation as to why such a power was just, left in the world. It had to be or there wouldn't be a world to begin with.
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Love the speculation on Bongo Bongo's design and lore being based around the notion that it's the mass collection of criminals who were tortured and executed by the Sheikah. Another bit of speculation, though completely arbitrary, would be that it also explains why it plays the bongos, as it could've been an instrument used as a countdown or part of some ritual for the criminals before their execution. So now, it plays the bongos for Link in build-up to his execution by its hands.
Dark Link may have been inspired by a scene in _The Empire Strikes Back_ where Luke Skywalker fights a hallucinatory representation of his "inner darkness" inside an evil tree. In Luke's case it takes the form of Darth Vader, but after Luke defeats his enemy, the helmet vanishes to reveal Luke's face. Whereas Link wins his battle, however, for Luke this turns out to be a failure, because it shows how close he is to falling to the dark side. It's difficult not to find parallels between Zelda and Star Wars, seeing as both stories feature a plucky young hero with a destiny, a sorcerer, a princess in need of rescue, and divine elements (even the name "Triforce" hints at "the Force".) Since the Zelda series was conceived shortly after the first Star Wars trilogy, Shigeru Miyamoto almost certainly took inspiration from it. So I wouldn't be surprised if the Dark Link battle was in part a homage to that scene.
sad fact: in the manga adaptation of OoT, volvagia was actually link's pet that got corrupted by gannondorf during link's 7 year sleep and only remembered link when he delivered the final blow
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Phantom Shower, the next possible Zelda Title, or maybe how Ganon manages to stay clean without actually taking showers? Don't know about that Green Tan though lmao
I strongly suggest this fanbase makes a guild if they try the sponsor. Most guilds accepting members before I quit playing were ones trying to not die out or felt very inactive. The more active ones ignore you even if you meet requirements (despite you being the only person interested I might add Edit: and yes, I was responding when they were advertising), then the dying guilds start sending invites to you immediately.
The amount you can do without friends or a guild gets pretty limited.
Also before I left, the global chat had 0 moderation.... It was less than pleasant on Switch. Maybe it's better on other platforms, but I think it's infinitely better to be in a guild only chat.
As for positives, it's definitely a nice vibe game to play solo. Do as you please essentially. I did enjoy dragon hunting and doing the dungeons that you can basically skip through super easy if you know the layout.
Jesus Christ I used to spend hours playing this game. Thought it died a while ago tbh
I love the subtle detail of Link having a reflection in the water when he first enters the room that vanishes when he crosses the island and then both Link's have no reflections at this point and that Dark Link starts off shadow like being more cautious/curious/innocent but grows more enraged and aggressive with each attack from Link.
what if Link didn't walk through the island?
@@muhammadghifari2379 i believe the triggger for the fight is in the middle island and you can run around the room without triggering it on 3ds. I havent played in a few years but if i remember right link never dissapears until you get close to the island.
I always thought about how messed up link would be going through this much shit as basically child.
Majora's mask shows us a man in a child's body so OOT really did a number on link.
Anyway if you were to create a fresh copy of him without his memories but all his negative emotion you would end up with dark link.
Something that grows more frustrated with you over time.
@@FeedMeSalt I believe Aonuma actually mentions that in an interview. Might have been an Iwata Asks. Saying that Link in MM is supposed to be someone who's kinda too mature for his own age.
@@TakumiJoyconBoyz yep that's exactly where I got that info from!
That and we'll, he can do alot more flips, he wields a shield fitted for his own size instead of a turtle shell, and he in general is dealing with some seriously immense shit.
His kit and even his face art work all show a more grown hero.
And I mean, he slams vodka milk like it's water ;)
I still love the idea that the moment Gannondorf transformed into Gannon is when the time line split. All three pieces were active, Gannon wishing to kill Link, Link wishing to save Hyrule from Gannon's reign, and Zelda wishing they hadn't let him come to power in the first place, so now the infinite power of the gods is trying to make three mutually exclusive things happen at once, and the timeline splits
This make so much Sense!!
I could see this being the logical way the timeline split
I hearby Ganon ban you.
Whoa. That's genius.
The timeline didn't split there though. It split because Zelda sent Link back in time to stop Ganandorf in the past which created the 2nd timeline. The 3rd timeline is not a timeline at all but an alternate reality, one in which Ganon still loses in the end.
Your theory for Bongo Bongo is honestly genius dude what a hot take
It would explain both the Dead Hand's hands and Bongo's hands and their elongated/ chopped heads and necks if those were a common method of torture the Sheikah employed
It makes a horrifying amount of sense
Who were the sheikah
Tbh, there is probably a possibility that Twinrova is Ganondorf’s mother, and Kotake + Kaome are his sarrogate mothers since they are technically his mothers but not fully.
This just blew my mind
Individually, they cannot carry children, but fused, they can. I had the same thought when that was mentioned.
Wonder how they dealt with being one person for a whole pregnancy term? There must have been a lot of internal conflict considering how they clash at the end of their battle.
Maybe a random Gerudo birthed him, per random chance. The de facto leaders would take him and raise him in their way to be the best leader for their people.
And if he was born into a family that isn't the Gerudo Royal Family, maybe he's obliged to marry a daughter of the royals to both keep him the King and keep the royal line intact and in power.
Twinrova is hot too lol. I always thought it was funny when she winks at Link
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Ganondorf asking for the Zora Sapphire is very awkward when you remember that it's the same as asking for a child Ruto's hand in marriage.
Yeah, but they're both royalty. That shit happens all the time to connect lands, build wealth, and promote peace. You can make it out to be platonic
@@stevenhicks7613 Fair enough. Only thing is, I think he'd choose slay before lay regardless of Ruto's age, appearance, or race. I doubt he would care at all for the Zora's traditions even if the offer was made.
Dorf: gimme the jewel
King Zora: well my kid daughter has to give it to you and if she does, it makes you her husband. And i get to call you "son"
Dorf:.........poison the local deity again it is
I read this and C H O K E D
Dont forget in old times Like Zelda is implied to be in, 11 was old enough. plus.... if you need a reason for wacky or awkwardness... just remember. "Japan"
Three Words: Giant. Dead. Dodongo. I want to fight THAT thing when it was still alive. Also wanna fight Volvagia back when the Megaton Hammer was originally used to defeat him.
Adding to your bongo bongo theory, the spirit pretty clearly goes after sheik. A sheika, like the people that captured and tortured the spirits. So vengeful spirits makes alot of sense there
Ganon being a transformation brought on by Demise's curse could explain why Ganondorf is a thing even though we supposedly dealt with Ganon already.
Ganon's form is from using the Trfiroce of Power specifically, you see him use it/activate it before transforming in OOT. He is a powerful wizard but he becomes the Powerful King of Evil once he has a single triforce piece. If he was truly a reincarnation of evil itself, parallel to that of Zelda being the reincarnation of a literal goddess, he'd have way more power in OOT that he wouldn't have to use Diplomacy and a Coup as a war tactic.
This is true as well in TP, when he breaks his chains and kills the sage he's seen activating the Triforce's power (hence why its such a shock or cruel joke rrom the Goddesses) and when he adfivates the triforce you see he begins to grow *tusks*, alluding to his big pig form. (Using Twilit magic could also explain the form is more animalstic in TP than bipedal in OOT). Ganon also just literally doesn't look like Demise's monstrous form, Demise looks a bit like Ganon as a means of visual connection for us the players, but thats as far as it gets imo.
Demise's curse applies to all the main big bads the players encounter in Zelda. Vaati is like a huge example of being a incarnation of Demise *without* there being a Ganondorf present in the game.
@@stephanos6128 "Demise looks a bit like Ganon as a means of visual connection for us the players, but thats as far as it gets imo."
Yes, that's visual shorthand informing the player that Demise's curse is directly connected to Ganondorf, as is his flaming red hair, which Hyrule Historia confirmed was to signify their connection. Skyward Sword was written to explain the triad of Link/Zelda/Ganon. Link is the reincarnation of the hero, Zelda is the bloodline of the Goddess, and Ganon is the incarnation of the Demon King's hatred. There is zero evidence of Vaati having any connection to the curse, with Vaati's only appearance in a Nintendo-developed game playing second fiddle to a resurrected Ganondorf.
Also, you're under the mistaken assumption that Ganondorf should gain some power from being the incarnation of Demise's curse, but there's nowhere that that's implied. Demise didn't reincarnate, his soul was trapped in the Master Sword for eternity. Ganondorf only retains the Demon King's feelings of resentment and hatred for Link and Zelda, which is exactly why he goes out of his way to attack them during Ocarina of Time.
@@flamemasterelan The Vaati your thinking of is FS Adventure, which if u wanna bring up the timeline comes way later. however in FS and Minish Cap, which comes directly after SS where Demise makes his curse, Vaati is indeed his own villain, unrelated to Ganondorf. Yet he is still evil, and seeks power and wanrs to kill Link and Zelda, just as Demise said. Vaati is not a reincarnation of Demise, but an example of his curse coming to fruition. Ganondorf is the same idea, just a fairly consistent one, and theres a reason for that, it's been the same Ganon in every game.
OP said Ganon, the pig monster, is a result of Demise's curse. Its not, it clearly shows he transforms using the power from the TRFIROCE. This is shown twice now with OOT and TP. His power comes from his own skill (he was raised by witches, again they are evil beings before Ganondorf, meaning evil has and always will exist outside of him.), later given a major boost via the triforce, he only transforms or is a pig when he specifically has a piece of the Triforce on him. Thats got nothing to do with Demise imo.
what i mean is ive seen people saying Demise and Ganon are related on a like, level that Hylia and Zelda are related, which I think isn't true. Demise said his (as well as the demon clan) hatred will follow them forever which does explain Link Zelda and Ganon but it also explains main bosses in other games who are not Ganon ie Vaati, Majora and Cole/Malladus, or monsters who just exist outside of Ganon's influence (Bongo Bongo, dead hand, redeads.) I chose Vaati because he was an example I remember vividly where Ganondorf wasn't his main goal, or the final villain.
People have this weird idea that Ganondorf has no control over his actions and is like some victim... brainwashed or forced into a curse taking away his agency and even political charisma. Everytime he reincarnates (which hasn't happened yet that we know of, he is only revived) Demise's curse would suddenly turn this kid evil, which i don't think that's how Demise's curse works. (cus it doesn't explain the passed Gerudo kings who never got a story yet, and are never mentioned in history as consistently evil. It also takes away the civil war that occurs before OOT which again Ganondorf wasn't involved in. Everything post time split is a result of the actions of a singular man, and the Royal Families own incompetence, but evil has been present and plagueing the royal family before Ganondorf even existed. THAT Is what Demise's curse is about imo)
I guess I'm tryna say Demise is somewhat a personification of Evil and Evil will follow them to ends of the earth in every form imagineable and the most consistent just hapoens to be Ganondorf, which is only because it's been the same One Evil Ganondorf... TP Wind Waker, Downfall Timeline have all been the *same* one guy who wanted revenge in OOT. he outirght says this at the end of the Game and something similar in TP. Constant revivals can do a number on the mental state as we saw in WW. So while yes, it is Demise's curse coming to fruition, Ganondorf himself also stated he will seek revenge in OOT, and since he hasn't died yet it's been the same singluar man seeking revenge up until at least the 10k year time skip. That's however *his* decision, not Demiss making him do as people like to make it out to be.
Another example would be the Yiga, they are Demise's curse coming to fruition, sure theyre not malice made beings but they *are* evil chasing and trying to kill off the Goddess and the Hero and that is *mainly* cus of the actions of the Royal Family, not cus Demise or Ganon told them to. They follow Ganondorf out of pure spite and hatred though they really don't seem to worship him outside of like solidarity.
Demise's curse is just similar to the phrase "A Plague on both ye Houses." or "May you never know peace." with like extra wording. Like Romeo and Juliet's death is not the result of Marquitio's final words, but a eventual event due to the actions of others (theyre family). I feel Demise's curse is a similar idea. Not necesarilly an actual magical curse that can be broken, but a sort of threat and karma. As long as those two exist, evil will follow.
If we kill Ganondorf, the curse does not lift, but nor does that mean Ganondorf could return bigger and badder. I'm saying someone *else* will just replace him. Demise didn't say he has a descendant who will haunt them, he said his and the demon clans hatred will haunt them, which is more metaphorical than literal. Sometimes that is Ganon (cus its the same one guy seeking revenge), sometimes it is not. Demise's curse refers to all evil all together, he looks like Ganon as a visual connection, but i think its just cus Ganon has been the cinsistent bad guy throughout the games. But Vaati, Majora and Malladus are also part of this curse as their own individual bad guys. but theyre not blood related, Ganondorf is not a reincarnation of Demise. He is not Demise turned human and has some inherent need to be evil cus his Demise blood says so. Thats not how the curse works.
ah tldr. The curse explains the feud I just dont think it outright explains Ganondorf as an existance....? If that makes sense. Cus theres examples where Demise's curse doesnt involve him.
@@flamemasterelan sorry for the long reply, i wanna also mention we might have a miscommunication going on cus i personally dont see Demise and Ganondorf as being related via reincarnation. nor do i think he gets his power from Demise, thats soemthing I was trying to explain to OP is a wrong idea. My wording was a bit off looking at my comment, sorry.
again you say he has demise resentment towards Link and Zelda, but thats *after* the game when hes defeatsd by them. Ganon having resentment toward Link and Zelda prior to his defeat takes away his agency I think, making it seem like he's inherently evil cus of Demise cursing him to be as such, and not cus of his own actions and greec. Hell he even *spares* Link when they first meet face to face, if Demise had influence over him, he'd kill Link on the spot cus he would know better not to underestimate this kid a second time. WW shows Ganondorfs agency and jealousy is his own, and his evil deeds is also his own decisions, uninfluenced by Demise. Wanting to exterminate Link and Zeldas descendants does parallels Demise's curse but again thats a revenge seeking mentality and a decision Ganon himself makes. It keeps following Link and Zelda cus its been the same Ganon over and over. I wager if Ganondorf were to properly reincarnate, like Link and Zelda do, he wouldn't do evil deeds outright (unless the plot calls for it), cus it wouldn't be the same man, and then someone else evil will instead take the form of Demise's curse. But idk if Nintendo wants to take such risk (depsite hainvg dine it before again Majora, Cole/Malladus, and Vaati.)
@@stephanos6128 No, Ganondorf doesn't hate Link and Zelda personally, as of Ocarina of Time. But he's still Demise's incarnation of hatred enacted through his curse. That's why he grows disdainful of the Kingdom of Hyrule in the first place and decides to conquer it, kill the king, temporarily abandon his conquest mid-mission, and try to kill two ten year olds. Ganondorf is still his own person, so he doesn't start out hating anything, but he was always destined to develop that hatred because that's the nature of fate.
Theory about Bongo Bongo: The man who's house stood where the well was became an early "poe" BB, which then fed off the spirits of the dead in the well to grow and mutate into that massive form. It's kind of like how Jalhalla from WW himself is his own entity (the mask), but his body is made of his poe minions.
I figured the man who lived there was a cover for the torturing that went on there. Like he was the one doing it in his basement temple
@@spicybeantofu It could be that the guy was executed in the temple because of the possibility he could talk about the temple.
I've been in a Legend of Zelda D&D campaign for over a year now, and it's a convergence of a post-BOTW and an OOT past, and so many of these theories match our story which is SO FUN! Like Deadhand was the product of a mad Yiga scientist in a lab in Kakariko's well who fused with his Sheikah subjects and was made of so many people. Great video!
D&D is super cringe
Sounds pretty cool, man. I didn't even think of doing a loz inspired campaign. We did a pokemon one that was pretty good
@@pagansaiyan8114 a pokemon one? sounds very cool!! ours is like, malice is reinfecting the world 10 years after botw ended, and its yiga + astor + ganon, its really dang cool. a pokemon campaign sounds super fun
@@tiredalexander9935 yeah it was. It didn't last as long as I wanted but it was one of our best. We were former masters trying to redeem ourselves but ultimately we ended up slaying the current champ, taking his pokemon and capturing the detective that was hassleing us in a pokeball. We tried to do it right but those nat 1s had another agenda
@@pagansaiyan8114 oh nooooo those dice really had it out for you!! 😂
Bosses don’t come out of nowhere, all evil must at least come from something
They must be created
By ganon
They are, by the boss designer lol
Okay. I'm dine joking.
Or a giant bug
Correct. I personally came out of my mother.
Everyone’s talking about how we could see more of the Zonai tribe in BOTW2, but I personally hope we get to see more of the mysterious/creepy side of the Sheikah. I love what breath of the wild did with them, but in that game they don’t really embody the whole ‘shadow tribe’ thing that they’re known for. TLDR: more creepy torture chambers please!
The Sheikah Tribe in BotW are a very benevolent people. Almost too benevolent...
Unless they're secretly allied with the Yiga then they must have some murderous secrets - the King's enemies won't have interrogated themselves.
Maybe they were experimenting with malice, which led to them nearly being wiped out during BOTW? (Which is why the malice can corrupt the guardians.)
It would be cool to find ruins that are similar to the Shadow Temple or Yiga style training grounds for their work in the darkness.
The kinda dropped those aspects in favor of making them more and more overtly Japanese.
Maybe by the time of BOTW they don't really want anything to do with the more "barbaric" methods of their ancestors?
Solid, I'd love to see more of these boss lore vids!
Bandit this was so much fun!
Zelda bosses are one of the most important things in a zelda game, and I really hope you do this for more Zelda games.
(Please do Twilight princess)
3:31 - Those first three dungeons all happen in living (or once living) creatures. You have the Inside the Great Deku Tree, Dodongo's Cavern, and Inside Jabu-Jabu's Belly. That's not just a reference to the Dodongo skull in the back of the central room, it's also a reference to the fact that the ceiling is made of a giant *ribcage*. I think I heard that in the, "A Masterclass in Subtext" video on RUclips. And that's a REALLY cool detail to notice... except that... did that Dodongo skull on the back wall die with his head up another Dodongo's ass?
OwO
@@spicysquire3521 You'll never unsee it.
Dodongos cavern, the head wasn't a head from a living dodongo
@@aussiegamerplays7284 none of them are real living dodongos.
@@aussiegamerplays7284 Other than that, I'm not sure I agree.
I had the head canon that the dead tree Dark Link came from represented his guilt in the fact that he couldn't save the Deku Tree, which was in a way, his father.
Gotta give credit; I had never really considered the dark link fight as a trial built into the place by the Zora. Even my old ass that played the game at release learned something new.
in the manga Link bought Volvagia from a merchant and was his pet so when he has to fight in temple it;s very sad
quite an emotional moment
the boss when you fight it:
the boss when you unlock it as a pet: terraria
@@TK-7193 what
@@TK-7193 I'm confused, context please
@@erner_wisal its a meme about when you fight the boss, its tough, and when it becomes a unlockable playable character, it sucks in comparrison, to its bossfight. for example, malenia, blade of miquella is a tough boss, no? well when you kill her all you get is her sword and armor, when you cosplay as her, you are not nearly as tough.
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I always thought Morpha created Dark link in OOT. The whole time in the temple you are in the water and as morpha controls it, morpha studies Link. Movements, attacks, going into thoughts and fights. This way it gains an idea of who link is but also because water is going into link too. The whole time Morpha is in the giant room where dark link is and decides to use the part of Morpha that’s in Link to attack him. This is why when Link first enters it looks like a lake with a tree in the middle, but also there’s links reflection. Upon passing over the island links reflection is gone as this is where Morpha hides, using all the knowledge and being inside link too, dark link is created to attack Link while Morpha leaves to go back to the main boss room. Then when dark link is defeated the room turns back to normal as the part of Morpha there is now defeated.
When going to the boss room to face Morpha, link recognises the water there is different as he is now aware of water that has Morpha in it after the Dark link battle. This is my thoughts anyways
Which Ocarina of Time boss is your personal favorite? Mine would have to be Ganondorf because I'm basic
Everything Ganondorf
Bongo bongo but ganondorf is ❤❤❤❤❤
Easily dark link, it's so cool fighting an opponent with your combat skills. If you meant regular bosses then bongo bongo
Prolly phantom ganon
Ganon. I remember my poor young mind exploding when Ganondorf transformed and just his name with no subtitle appeared on the screen.
In the German version Navi even says about Dark Link:
"Besiege deine Schwarze Seele"
Literal Translation:
"Defeat your black soul"
And THIS sounds pretty much interesting
That depends on how German's view the saying. To a German man, it might mean the exact same thing as here in the west
There is a book in french (not by Nintendo) who dig deep into the meaning of Ocarina of Time, as being the whole process of a person from child to adult but also the journey of a hero like in old legends;
In these legends, there is the hero, but the state of the kingdom is the state of the being itself (remember Hyrule, but also stuff like The Lion King), as the legend is about someone and his personal, mystical journey, not an actual place.
Same for every characters, they are concepts, not people.
The princess (Zelda) is the soul of the hero, the truth, goal of every sacred knight.
The dragon or demon (Ganondorf) is the devil, who dont want the hero to succeed.
Let me just warn you that in mystical enlightment (what legends are made to teach), sexuality and soul are tied.
Monks dont interact with womens, knights make vows of chastity etc.
So, mature stuff here;
The journey;
1 Deku tree
the end of childhood (*kokiri are all childs, and Deku tree is a father)
*Encounter with young Zelda at the castle (aka the young soul of the hero at the "center of the kingdom"), she now something dark is lurking but need the hero and his WILL to fight it.
2 Gorons
the world of MENS, big muscular guys, they want to enter a cavern, first encounter with sexuality and desire. Primal instincts, pushed forward by the prehistoric theme (gorons are cavemens, dodongos are dinosaurs).
3 Zora
entering a being and team-up with a girl, she give you "her most precious possession, but dont tell father". The Zora jewel is an union symbol.
Journey-wise; first sex.
Also the water is a symbol tied to the flow of energy coming from the soul (who is tied to sexual energy), so having first sex and first encounter with water-themed level at the same moment in the game is not a coincidence.
But the Zora princess is not the right girl, she's not Zelda, she's not the sacred soul the hero should be loyal to.
So the evil can take control of the hero/kingdom, aka Ganondorf "steal" the princess and ruin everything.
Remember, Ganondorf is an embodiment of what the hero should fight inside itself, the ascension to power of a ruthless grown man without morals.
Adulthood. The hero lost his path and now the kingdom is ruined.
He encounter his soul (Zelda disguised as Sheik), she guide him, but he cant see her for what she is in his state .
4 Forest Temple
return to the origins of things to find his way. The remnants of childhood are gone (kokiri are gone) He "identity" his enemy (ghost Ganondorf), who he must fight to save the kingdom/itself.
5 Fire Temple
So Gorons are embodiment of sexual appetite and primal instinct, they were starving during the first act, now they find themselves fed to a beast, "prisonners" of the same concept. The Fire Temple is litteraly Hell.
The hero must overcome his own instincts to have his mind in place to begin his mystical journey anew.
6 Water Temple
This one is interesting. Water is a symbol of the "soul flow"; and water doesn't flow.
Zora domain is frozen, and Hylia Lake is mostly dry.
The hero must make the energy flow again. "Overcome itself" (Dark Link), playing with the water (energy) level using the ROYAL song, and destroying the parasite who cause the water to be so low.
7 Shadow Temple
Overcoming (the fear of) Death
8 Spirit Temple (perfect name)
Overcoming the attachment to the material world and "what he may offer" using the very sexualized Gerudo womens to convey this idea. The tentation for what is essentially meaningless in comparison to a princess (the soul/truth).
Remember the imagery of snakes all around, and the worst enemy in the game is actually the pretty girl Nabooru, the lair of the boss is hidden beneath the face of a beautiful and attractive idol, and the boss itself is a woman...
Ganondorf lived here, this is his home. He's a child of the desire, he want everything basically.
9 Time to get the Kingdom back.
The hero is now worthy, his soul (Zelda/Sheik) reveal herself before his eyes.
But he must fight a last battle within itself to reach it.
After several trials, he finally force his enemy to reveal his true form, that of an hideous beast, a pig, and can kill him now that his sacred soul is at his side (Light arrows).
And THAT explain why the final scene take place in the sky when he's face to face with Zelda. He reached his soul of light, It's heaven, nirvana, whatever you call it.
It's not a surprise if Ocarina of Time was so successful, more than any game he is following the pattern of actual legends made to speak to the soul itself and encourage to take on a journey to gather force, courage and wisdom.
That was a good theory about the water temple's purpose
Something cool about the dragon in death mountain if you read the manga of ocarina of Time link actually raised volviagia and Ganon turned him evil hurting link after he killed it the dragons final words were "link" that's why when you kill it his head is left and you can see it trying to talk
16:48 I just thought of something: Would that plan even have worked if Ganondorf got all the pieces together? When he tried to get it initially, it split, what would make the second time any different? Wouldn’t those pieces just go to some other folks who embody those traits better? Or am I missing something?
Once the triforce spilts once, one of the wielders can locate the other two and get them, the power of the triforce pieces being transferred over. It’s only when Gannondord tried to get them then they were complete that it split.
Think of it like the Goddesses intervening in the only way they felt they could without interfering too much. "we will delay him but we can not directly stop him. it is up to you hero" trope.
In the Downfall Timeline, Ganondorf/Ganon had managed to acquire the full Triforce, due to the fact that he obtained the other two pieces that got away, before the Imprisoning War took place, and he was sealed within the Evil Realm/Dark World, but still with the full Triforce intact. This is why you obtain the full Triforce, when you beat the game, in A Link to the Past.
In the Adult Timeline, when Ganondorf knocked out Link and Zelda, he was able to take the Triforce pieces they had, and assemble the full Triforce, but he counted his chickens before the eggs hatched and forgot to actually touch the Triforce, when he tried to make his wish fully realized, allowing King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule to touch the Triforce and make his own wish, instead, resulting in the old Hyrule being washed away.
To answer your question, yes, Ganondorf can obtain the power of the full Triforce, as long as he acquires the two other pieces that got away from him. The legend that Sheik tells Link, before he reveals himself as Princess Zelda, even states that if your heart is imbalanced, and you only obtain one piece of the Triforce, you must seek out the other two pieces to fully realize your wish, with those other two pieces going to two other people chosen by destiny.
Good video!!! I never really thought about where they came from, until now lol. Have a great rest of your day!!!
A youtuber who understands what the concept of worship actually is? Cudos!
I could totally see the Zora using voluntary trials as worship
I'm lost. What's worship?
And does the completion of the Shrines worship the Sheikah Monks?
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Worship is something that happens in your heart. It's a feeling of exultation and love for one's god that grows into outward actions. Singing, working, making art, teaching others, leading people, standing up for good, or anything can be worship if the action is done from the heart in feeling of awe and desire to be closer to the worshipped.
@@jllemin4 oh, that makes sense.
Dude your explanation of the water temple AND dark link was amazing
I see it in a whole different light now
Instead of utterly hating it
Great video! I'd never really considered the origin of the Dead Hand much, in relation to the Hylians--just figured it was some scary creature. Both things can be true, of course, but I like your idea of it being a Hylian creation, and that Bongo Bongo might be a giant Poe. Good stuff!
I love this video! The way you put it together is enjoyable and not at all boring. Plus this is my most favorite game
I think dark link is kind of like the apparition of the cave Yoda sends Luke into "whets inside" "only what you take with you"
Your videos are amazing, Thanks for sharing
I loved this video, especially on speculations like that of Dark Link, but I have to make a small correction: the Triforce of Power is not the only thing that allows Ganondorf to transform into Ganon, the trident of Fours Sword Adventure also allowed the new Ganondorf to transform into Ganon, this then makes me think that in order to transform, Ganondorf needs to use a huge amount of power, in most games, he uses the power of the Triforce of Power, while in FSA he uses the power of the Trident and everything he has accumulated over the course of the game
I knew most of the stuff but still love the video man. It's good to see you doing zelda videos again
You know. I always just wanted to stay in Kokiri Forest. It's nice there. Bloody Deku tree getting infected making Link go in there and start fires.... See ya Bandit.
13:28 Do you even lift brah? That why I work out with Urbosa and do the geudo workout.
Gotta keep the strength to carry Nebby.
I remember vortexxygaming having a similar theory about Dark Link, that being the personification of the person’s negative emotions and thoughts and having to conquer that entity to venture further into the temple. R.I.P. vortexxygaming…
Also, about the goddesses leaving the triforce, I think part of the reason is because the world is dependent upon some form of power or presence of the goddesses to continue to exist. Case and point, Lorule began to crumble away and turn dark when Hilda’s ancestors wished for their triforce to destroy itself.
Very nicely done Bandit. Took a bit of time to get a moment to sit down and watch but im glad I did. OoT is one of my top 5 Zelda Titles. :3
5:07 Volvagia's curse in the novel's storyline shows that Gerudo merchants in Castle Town sold a baby Volvagia to Zelda and Link at a young age. Volvagia being cursed in a Hyper Rage, with Link having to slay his pet. If you ever had to read the graphic novel of Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, it was sold at Barnes & Noble.
This is one of those videos where I knew everything but didn't mind hearing it again because it was told in such an entertaining fashion.
Absolutely love your thoughts on the Zelda bosses. Super fun, yes please do more if that is what you would like!
I havn’t thought to deeply on Zelda bosses.
One game that does have me curious that people don’t talk about to often.
Is, A Link Between Worlds, really like the concept of going into walls and the world of Lorule.
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Good job and thank you so much!
I love these types of videos that explore lore! Really enjoyed this (:
In the manga
Gohma was just a tiny spider
I'd like to see this video turn into a series about Zelda boss lore. 👍👍
Yesssss
Bandit, definitely continue to do this content for the Zelda games.
my favorite theory about bongo bongo is that he was the leader of a bunch of sheikah traitors and thieves, evidence supporting it is the fact that in the past, thieves would get some limbs cut off (including heads and hands) in some tribes of africa, probably influencing the way bongo bongo was tortured, and also the sheikah traitor clan that is shown in botw, which wear masks of sheikah eyes upside down, similar to how bongo bongo is hung upside down
The anemananem.. namene... namama... what? 😭 I would have stuttered so much and you said it so smoothly
I’m pretty sure it’s a Finding Nemo reference.
9:41 also dark link is literally Link’s shadow. When you enter the room Link has a shadow, when you move passed the tree Link loses his shadow.
Nice video! Would totally love if you covered bosses In the other Zelda games
Always enjoy you going over any info.
Keep up the good work!
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Wait, you left out the most infamous boss from the game...the Running Man.
and bigocto, and the flair dancers
Man I would love to see more of these videos for other games in the series. The lore of Zelda games has recently become a big interest of mine as having that knowledge makes the games so much more immersive and I really loved your in depth explanations and theories.
There has been a confirmed male Gerudo after Oot Ganondorf died in Twilight Princess but this male Gerudo was Ganondorf reincarnated.
Source?
Hyrule historia
@@zephon6745 ok
Your theory on bongo bongo is the best I've ever heard.
Beware the Phantom Shower...
By the way, I'd love to see a video explaining bosses in other zelda games!
Just a small note about the dark link fight. Link and dark long are the only 2 things in the room that have no reflection whatsoever
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THE "GANONDORF TOOK ALL THE DRAGONS TO FEED TO THE GORONS- TOOK ALL THE GORONS TO FEED TO THE DRAGON" IN THE TERMINALMONTAGE VIDEO WASN'T A JOKE??
How did you know I was eating ramen? And how did you know I was having, basically, just noodles? That was too accurate. 😂😂😂
This video was great, and I hope you'll do it for the other games ! At least the 3D ones !
I’m not gonna lie when I first read this comment I thought it was about the 3DS Zelda games
I like the reasoning for your personal headcanons and it makes sense to me. Keep on doing what you do brother!
You should definitely do the other games bosses!
This is the second time I watch this... I just enjoy your videos that much pretty much anything you can produce on zelda i've watched it. As a matter of fact I don't think there's a single video you have produced on zelda that I haven't watched at this point
Those 🍥 are Uzumaki Fish cakes
Uzumaki meaning Spiral or Swirl
This video was amazing! Thanks for posting it to share with your fans.
I like the dark link take. Also I thought Ganondorf was demise in a past life and demise kept reincarnating just as zelda and link do. Kinda like that one story where 2 lovers always find each other in every life but then the same man reincarnates and kills them in every life. I think its a DC story or something.
Demise is sealed inside the Master Sword until his soul is completely gone. Ganondorf is just the incarnation of Demise's hatred through his curse.
Yeah... not exactly
Demises curse stated that the demom tribe curse and his hatred will follow them until the end forever.
Ganondorf never reincarnated, he was just born and fate caused him to continue legacy of demise. The curse is more of a "you are fated to fight evil all over until the end of time" fated curse, and ganondorf is just one of its elements i giess
Love this channel and can't wait to see more of this and really any content you create.
I remember I stopped playing OoT when I first met Dead hands x'DDDD
really wanna go back and put him out of his misery now tho
You should!! Put 'em both back in the ground!
@@BanditGames or in the worst case, feed the dead hand
You always have great Zelda content, Keep it up!!
If you don't know , Bongo Bongo embodies the medieval means of executing traitors.
It's upside down from being strapped to a torture device.
Cutting off hands meant thief , like giving secrets hidden in a musical morse code.
And marching drums were played during public beheadings , bongo just sounds better.
Given that Ganon was the ruler at the time , and Impa was keeping Zelda from him.
Bongo Bongo could have been summoned to execute Impa as a traitor.
Hopefully , she made into the Shadow Temple's passage before such a thing happened.
Bongo Bongo hadn't been awakened before she went inside.
Great video bandit. Also Ibuprofen isn't a pain killer it's an anti-inflammatory you big loveable dingus you ;)
I really love dark link because other than shadow link, links physical shadow brought to life through magic, dark link is the embodiment of links thirst for power. Conquering himself and his longing for power is just so cool.
Also don't got tik tok >:)
As someone who knows the lore, I still really enjoyed this video, I would definitely recommend this to someone who wanted to learn about it, because you are very accurate
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Also Link's reflection vanishes when Dark Link appears. It seems pretty clear that Dark Link was created by the room.
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Nice! I was super close
Your take on Bongo Bongo is super cool and makes sense more than it being one being in particular! I love that!
Gohma is still less horrifying than Armogohma and not even by a little bit.
Really awesome and cool and awesome! I appreciate the simpler theories you went for with the bosses' origins, they fit really well imo.
@9:05 I agree, I always believed that "Dark Link" is always just a reflection of the one who enters that room... If Ruto made it in there, she'd face "Dark Ruto"
Oooh, I really like your theory about how Bongo Bongo could be a giant poe that fed off the spirits of the dead under the well. I've seen so many Zelda theories and people still manage to find new clues and ideas.
A small detail about goron link, the reason he is named link is simply because you clear dodongos cavern as a child and this impresses darunia so much he names his first born son after their tiny liberator. It wasn't mentioned and I figured you'd make a laugh out of it.
Excellent video sir! 🙌
It's fun to see the different theories about bosses. I especially love the Bongo Bongo theories. My favorite it that he was originally one of the master tormenters that was sealed under the well because of how evil he was. Bongo Bongo is the evil ghost of that person. (He got his hands and head cut off)
I'd love to see this as a series!
I really liked your explanation on bongo bongo it really made sense that he was a massive collection of spirits that were tortured and killed the enemies of the hyrulian family and due to their anger, and fear combined to become their own entity
3:07 "Why don't you just eat the boulder?"
*eats King Dodongo*
I would love to see this become a series covering the other games! And your theories on some of the more unclear origins are really cool, too.
I love windwaker Ganondorf I know he isn’t in it a lot but you can see pain regret and try emotion in the little dialogue he has especially at the last fights with him as he mocks you and calls you a basically a reborn hero of time fetch boy of the gods and you can see his disgust for them as he talks and facial animations it’s awesome
17:52 Its suggested in Two Worlds that a Tri-Force must exist within a world for that world to exist and that destroying to fully removing the Tri-Force from that world leads to that world crumbling into ruin.
This could also function as an explanation as to why such a power was just, left in the world. It had to be or there wouldn't be a world to begin with.
Hope these keep coming. This was great. Interesting take on Bongo-Bongo
Yooooo a new bandit episode les gooo
Thanks for the content brother. You , Zeltik , monster Maze, Hyrule Gamer, NBC, and common wealth have kept me sane during these strange days, and while we wait for BOTW sequel. ...
Love the speculation on Bongo Bongo's design and lore being based around the notion that it's the mass collection of criminals who were tortured and executed by the Sheikah. Another bit of speculation, though completely arbitrary, would be that it also explains why it plays the bongos, as it could've been an instrument used as a countdown or part of some ritual for the criminals before their execution. So now, it plays the bongos for Link in build-up to his execution by its hands.
"can't just help play the drums" same, dude, same
Very unique video idea! It was super enjoyable. I'd like to see more like this!
Dark Link may have been inspired by a scene in _The Empire Strikes Back_ where Luke Skywalker fights a hallucinatory representation of his "inner darkness" inside an evil tree. In Luke's case it takes the form of Darth Vader, but after Luke defeats his enemy, the helmet vanishes to reveal Luke's face. Whereas Link wins his battle, however, for Luke this turns out to be a failure, because it shows how close he is to falling to the dark side.
It's difficult not to find parallels between Zelda and Star Wars, seeing as both stories feature a plucky young hero with a destiny, a sorcerer, a princess in need of rescue, and divine elements (even the name "Triforce" hints at "the Force".) Since the Zelda series was conceived shortly after the first Star Wars trilogy, Shigeru Miyamoto almost certainly took inspiration from it. So I wouldn't be surprised if the Dark Link battle was in part a homage to that scene.
That dark link water temple idea was fantastic. Great insight.
sad fact: in the manga adaptation of OoT, volvagia was actually link's pet that got corrupted by gannondorf during link's 7 year sleep and only remembered link when he delivered the final blow