Lord Jamar Says Lil Kim & Nicki Minaj Are Industry Plants!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Lord Jamar makes a bold claim, stating that Lil Kim and Nicki Minaj are industry plants.
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Kim was definitely used by the industry to push a certain image and mind state. But she’s talented too
If u call Kim a plant than you have to call BIG a plant
@@thesupervisor3270 I mean to an extent all rappers who rapped about women clothes cars and had a gangster image were misleading the people. But Kim was unique as she was basically the main woman to start it in a huge way
She was pushed by the industry but she was no industry plant. There is a difference
@thesupervisor3270 NA, not really. I'm sure Big was used to push certain narratives. All street rappers were to a degree. But Biggie LEAD WITH TALENT. Kim was TALENTED, but she LEAD with SEXUALITY.
@@fredricksmith8760 that’s a good way of putting it
NY ignored Joey Badass and celebrated Bobby Shmurda 💯🤦🏾♂️
Now Joey Badass trying to rap about drug dealing and being a gangsta... lol i cant take him serious
Bruuuuh
Joey Badass is a try hard 90's boom bap rapper poser😂 Bobby Shmurda was sounding like 2014
@@joshuakithyoma9575 🧢
faCs
Lord Jamar wasn't lying when he said Lil Kim was the seed for these new age female rappers. Kim birthed Trina, Nicki Minaj, Megan Thee Stallion, Sexy Red, and Ice Spice. The wigs, the sexy outfits the raunchiness, that's from the Lil Kim tree.
Salt n pepper
@@james441 Salt N Pepper was never raunchy.
@@VariousTopics2024andbeyond what do you think push it was about, what do you think whatta man was about, what was their other single called let’s talk about….. oh yeah ok
@@james441 I hear you brother.
That’s where it stops though and ANYONE that ACTUALLY listens to these women’s discographies knows that. Nicki and Kim are NOT The same sonically, never have been. People are just so stupid that they see “both women, both wear colorful wigs, they’re the exactly the same”. Pink Friday and hard core sound nothing alike. None of the music does.
Lil Kim was the start of raunchy female rappers.
While raunchy female music isn't new to the black musical experience I do agree with you
The media calling Is pornoRAP
She sure did
No she wasn't, you must not heard of the groups BWP(Bytches With Problems) and H.W.A (Hoez With Attitude). All talk about their Ps and had rated X songs before Kim. H.W.A were on their album cover with lingerie on. The world is being destroyed by misinformed and under informed people.
BWP
HWA
LUKE
LIL KIM
MC LYTE(Roughneck cut)
etc
All played a part in where we are now cuz way too many youngins then & now don't see the problem with degrading form(s) of music!!!
Those artists or cuts get green lighted with little hesitation!!
The current state of the rap genre aimed at the MASSES is for the immoral, irresponsible & immature listeners for the most part!!!
This was good.Glad BM are finally calling out the BS.
TEACH BLACKMAN!!!
Lord Jamar speaking BLACK EXCELLENCE
🧢
Yanadameen💯💯💯💯💯❗🤝🏿Yanadameen
He’s talking about industry plants. When is is gonna talk about something that’s actually black and excellent and not BS stuff he hates?
This dude don’t give a fuck about black people. All he do is talk negatively towards black people.
Can’t name 2 Lord Jamar song
He’s right. You can’t have smoke for Sexxy Red and not have smoke for Lil Kim and Nicki Minaj. It’s hypocritical
Yawn. Ya'll dont know your rap history if you think the public/activists/media wasnt on Kims NECK back then.
“ Our Reward System Is F*** Up” …. Quote of the Century.
Roxanne Shante was rapping dirty onstage during her freestyles way
before a lot of these girls.
I remember hearing Shante rapping about how good she can 'screw'
back in the late 80's but also I remember hearing a few underground
rap records in the mid-late 80's (Blossom "Serve me") which was the
first time I really got to hear a female rapper step up the whole sex
rap shtick and then a record that 2short did with some girls called
"Don't Fight the Feeling". And then the original record that LL copied
for "Doin' it" called "Wild Thang" by 2Much where a female rapper
was doing the raunchy sex rap a whole decade before Lil Kim & Foxy Brown.
@@WillieTonka 2Much "Wild Thang" may have been the first raunchy
female sex rap that I heard. LL stole the entire song from her to make
"Doin' It"
There's a difference between just rapping about it and literally dressing like a stripper or prostitute.
@@RickyVanderslicesay word??? 🤔🤔😮💯
Y'all forget foxy brown
Foxy wasn’t as mainstream this is why foxy is always mentioned after Kim. Even though Foxy was better and her music was more authentic 🙂↔️
@@WayofJayCole check her credits, she didn't write her sh!t either
@@user-dh5rb4xi7tFoxy wrote and freestyled better than Kim hence Puffy signed foxy to bad boy and never was interested in lil Kim so leave Fox out of this he didn't say her name lil kim nor her fans hate when foxy name is brought up so leave her out of this mess foxy didn't play the industry games or play by the industry rules
@@user-dh5rb4xi7t olp well I was wrong lmao 🥴🥴🥴
@@TalibMoore-er2bcpuff managed Kim. He wanted to sign her but couldn’t because she was already signed to Undeas (Biggie’s biz partner’s label) Foxy was definitely signed to Def Jam so I already know you just yapping without facts
Lil Kim and Nicki Minaj being plants is a bridge TOO far. They have a history in of rapping in their communities and circles.
They were still given big spots to fuck up black women... And they succeeded
@@DreDaDon16 That still does not make them plants.
I think you don’t understand what a plant is
As a veteran NYC Educator, I can see this comment section is loaded with mentally/emotionally immature individuals🙄.
Kim's "discovery" is separate from the amount of financing used to push Death Row Records, Bad Boy Entertainment, and the negative images of: NWA, Snoop Dog, Dr. Dre, Notorious BIG, Puffy, Lil' Kim, etc. Then, the fate of the listener was sealed, after Bill Clinton signed the 1996 Telecomm Policy Act. After this event, Clear Channel Communications (rebranded as iHeart Radio) purchased most radio stations, in the USA. This was the beginning of the "same 10 songs played every hour", era.
Although KRS-One has been slipping on many subjects, I DO agree on his observation: the slave masters (ie: entertainment companies) will financially bless the LOWEST, STEREOTYPICAL, POISONOUS, IMMATURE people in our culture---and elevate them. Hispanics/Latinos and others were NOT casually using the "n word", before the early 1990's. Even BLACK YOUTH weren't using that word, casually!! Hispanics/Latinos and others were NOT wearing durags and cornrowing/box-braiding their hair, either. YO MTV RAPS was FINANCED and pushed images of [rap group] NWA throughout the farthest regions of the USA.....AND THE WORLD.
Furthermore, just as Lord Jamar referred to the Black Power movement of the 1960's....there was a political revival via rap music (Public Enemy, KRS-One & BDP...Sister Souljah...Brand Nubian...) from 1988--1992. But, this socio-political movement was offset via the financing and promotion of NWA...and later the emergence of "The Chronic" (via Death Row). Soon after, Bad Boy Entertainment continued with the madness.🙄
One of the greatest moments of my lifetime---The Million Man March (10/16/1995)---briefly offset this virus. Afterwards, a dark-skinned....African-American woman sold over 10 million copies of her debut LP. Her name is Lauryn Hill. She preached about God, righteousness....literally read a scripture from the Bible; on the Grammy award stage (in front of the world)....won 5 Grammys (including Album of the Year) and closed the 20th Century with hope.
But, you know low-vibrational...gutter Black folks: "WHY IZ YOU HATIN' ON NWA!!? BIGGIE !? TUPAC!!? LIL' KIM!!?" "WHY YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO BE SO DEEP!!?" [...as they shake their azzes, to the music ] They continued to consume the poison....and reproduced children. And here we are, in 2024....stuck. 🙄😒
@@2conscious 🎯
We ain't reading all that bs, go right a book or somethin
Very well put.
@@joshingram071 Dear future readers: read ⬆️ his brief, embarrassing reply....and give my original statement a "like". He inadvertently validated my point. ✌🏾
On TARGET !!!
You hit most the major points I'd hit if I was explaining how we're got here now.
Even went as far as to mention the Clinton administrations role in helping to unleash this monster
I took a college level course on music and my jazz loving white teacher opened my eyes as he basically explained it the same way you did.
i did notice that the same company that pushed takashi69 are the ppl behind Sexy redd
Ice spice *
Same ppl behind chief keef own the most private prisons
Gamma wasn’t even around when Takashi came out. Gamma is a new company.
Right....
Wrong she is pushed by gamma
Of course they just wanna vibe and hate lyrical rappers, cause when your high on pills and drinking your brain doesnt want to think.
Nah thats not true. Everyone appreciates real lyricists, but let’s be all the way real! Some of their music just doesn’t hit like they want it to. Nice message but delivery or song itself wasn’t all that great. Plus every single one of us who listens to music wants something our ear enjoys and can vibe or sing to without thinking too much about it.
@@erichouston14 false. Casual mainstream fans don't appreciate lyricist. They care more about how the music sounds than the content
@@mitchy2311 different strokes for different folks
@mitchy2311 Music is sound, so if it doesn’t sound good what’s the point of listening? If everything is about content then it should be in a poem or done acapella.
@@joshuasutton983 what does any of that have to do with what I or anyone wrote in this thread?
Kim was literally found by Biggie on the block because he was messing with her. He literally taught her how to rhyme. I am not understanding how she's a plant.
@@christianjames92 but the labels pushed her.
Did you listen to him? He said "a seed." Comprehension
If somebody like Diddy was around Biggie.. who knows what he influenced him to do!
I’m honestly heartbroken hearing about this theory.. but it’s plausible! Look at Kim from start to finish.. provocative and sexual all the way through her career! That’s a HUGE clue she was/is a plant!
Plus she’s miserable AF with all that surgery! Wouldn’t be surprised if her handler manipulated her to get more cosmetic work done!
Labels pushed a certain image
@@biggmixxo BIG's label Undeas w Lance Un Rivera is who backed her. Her appearances on Junior Mafia's debut Conspiracy is why she blew up!
After the Golden Era of Rap....The Plants came in!!!!! JAMAR IS 100% RIGHT!! How the game go from CANIBUS 2 Eminem in one year???
Maturing is realizing the msg female rappers have isn’t positive
It's america. Even the golden girls had a sexpot in it
"Wild Thang" by 2 Much (1988) predates all the other female sex rappers.
Even LL stole his song "Doin it" from her.
The "reward" system has to be under ur control to be able to change things.
IT is under your control
Black people just have to learn to be more brave.
@@austinleggette8882 Bravery helps.
I disagree. They were female singers like Betty Wright that alluded to sex. Millie Jackson was raunchy back in the 80"s and even on her album cover she was sitting on a toilet with her panties down. Salt and Pepa did it methaphorically. So it was around before Lil Kim. And Lord knows all the female comedians that talked about sex with no filter. So Lord Jamar need to cut the bull.
This is gonna be a solid one..SALUTE BagFuel Squad n Lord Jamar
Doggie Diamonds gotta be next💯
“ Our Reward System Is F*** Up” …. Quote if the Century.
This is what I’m talking about we need more of this. I’ve critiqued past topics however, I’ll give praise when it’s due. Objectivity is paramount.
Word! Things we need to tell the youth. Old souls and elders are needed in these days and times to show us our roots and let us know where we come from so we know where we going.
That’s BS. I remember Nicki when she was with Fendi.
You’re out of touch with reality
Nicki had no sexual lyrics on her debut album Pink Friday
These men are weird
He image coincided, dense
Ikyfl
You’re out of touch with reality
At 3:24 he said let's disrupt the foul shit. And then he had a drop the mic moment where he talked about DNA.
Lord Jamar always spit FACTS! I'm loving this!
Esso just gave us all a crash course on the music industry in less than 5 minutes
'WHO YOU LOVIN .. WHO YOU WANNA BE HUGGIN .. ROLL WITH NAGAS .. THAT BE THUGGIN .. BUGGIN .. IN THE TUNNEL .. AND ESSOS .. SIPPIN ESPPRESSOS .. CAPPUCCINO .. WITH NINO .. ON A MISSION .. FOR THE LUCCI CRENO .. I USED TO WEAR MOSCHINO .. NOW EVERY BEEOTCH GOT IT .. NOW I ROCK COLORFUL MINKS .. BECAUSE MY POCKETS .. STAY KNOTTED' ..
kudos to Jamar for not being down with the b.s EXCUSES...
Fax my grandmother would bail my half brother out of jail. I went to college she would not buy one book 📕 or a desk for my apartment 🤦🏾♀️
How do you equate the 2?
Deep
I just wanna vibe😭😭🕺🏿 folks gotta tighen up
Lil Kim then Trina but 2 Live Crew started sexually lyrics
I wanna vibe....😂😂😂😂
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾No LIES 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
ALL artists tied to major labels are industry plants. A plant is something or someone placed into a certain position. ALL artists tied to major labels are placed into the best positions to be successful so that the labels can profit and in some cases for the purpose of social engineering.
Real spill..i worked for a label for 5yrs. 2 strip clubs a night 7days a week. Damn near stalking Djs to get records played
He ain’t lyin!!!!!
Black Skrippa Clubs are nothing but a Modern day Chitin Circuit.
Clubs now and days focus more on the Celebrity at the club than the girls dancing
I missed the days when people went to clubs to see Birthday suits and not to hear Lil Booger Nose performance
The strip clubs are where the female rappers get their ideas, their whole schtick is about looking or appearing as if they're strippers
@@AmandaMack-ok1uv Right. And for blaque women empowerment means looking and acting like wh3res
I feel like after Obama had that pic with all the rappers at the white house and that interview where he said he liked Kendrick Lamar over Drake record executives empowered by various anti-black organizations went out of their way to try and kill off Hip-hop. We went from collectively listening to backpack rap and conscious emcees to short bus shorties and crashouts more or less overnight. Most genres of music are #1 for like a decade or two at a time, hip hop has been dominating for 50 years and fused into every other genre of music. Hope we can get back on track.
This dude dont know the difference between industry plants & industry puppets. Lol. What a Goof! SMH 🤦♂️
Lyrical miracle lol. That's the words.
The God always keep it a buck 💪🏾😡🥊
I love your truth, Lord Jamar. Keep love for self- going strong!!!
Nicki Minaj put in that work definitely not no plant
BLACK AMERICAN MEN NEED TO STAND UP POINT BLANK FACTSSSSSSS..THANK YOU MR. JAMAR
Body em' Lord Jamar!
Nicki Minaj was DEFINITELY not an industry plant. She literally built her fanbase from the ground UP! thats why she cant be taken out the game. Literally build her fans from myspace and twitter and became a strong figure that crossed over when she ventured into Pop/Dance with Rap. She was literally the girl they would call to make a hit single have a solid chart performance during the 2010s, billboard did a whole article on it.
You just don’t get it, do you?
He ain’t lying lol
I ran into a lot of lil Kim’s back in the day
Salt and peppa started that shift with ill take your man 1980s
Black exploitation it's a literal phrase
It was coined by wyte folks though. Blaque folks just called them blaque movies. The untold truth is those movies thrived because blaque folks supported them.
He's speaking the truth!
I’m so glad these dudes got let go from “my expert opinion.” I love the shit they’re doing now.
And they need to make LJ the third member lmao.
But….if Lil Kim is a plant then so wouldn’t Josephine Baker, Vanity, Apollonia, Millie Jackson, and Madonna? What about Hoes Wit Attitude and the rapper Choice? All came before Kim, Foxy, and Trina
Millie Jackson had on clothes!!!
They were all plants.......Women can't do that in China or middle east.
@@user-xi9qk6vi1t Millie had on clothes but it was her subject matter she essentially was the prototype for acts like Hoes Wit Attitude, Lil Kim, Foxy, and Trina due to her frank/explicit subject matter
Hip Hop started with a pole! Not a stripper pole a Light Pole 😂😂😂
The point is hip hop was corrupted. Folks wanna blame it on the industry when MOSTLY the industry pushed what blaque people were supporting.
Yoooooooo Jamar preach!!!!!!
Thank You God for dropping hard truths that making people uneasy💪💪
you're saying you're easily brainwashed, without saying it because this is ALL false information, that you're ready to go spread everywhere with excitement = why do you guys get so excited to spread lies?? Curious
Salt and peppa
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In Other Words Lord Jamar is Blaming The "White Man"
The music industry has always tried to ban and silence the foul music. NWA and 2 Live Crew fought for hip hop to be what it is. The "industry plant" that Lord Jamar speaks about doesn't exist. We wanted it to be this way.
That was the media not the record company executives
@@CSPN777 The media played their role in banning their music from radio stations and running campaigns against them but record company executives absolutely tried to block them too. Both NWA and 2 Live Crew had to release music on their own independent labels and when those legal battles started those other labels were right along with the government trying to shut them down. Watch any interview where they discuss that era.
@@djturner-smith6380 that was initially until they seen how great negativity sells and triggers the blk community...every since then it's been all negative and the positive music which also sales, got pushed out
I always like it when I see Lord Jamar doing interviews because he is a very wise man that will tell you the truth if they ask him a question and I think their are industry plants in the industry in general and he named two that are huge names in hip hop. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017 to find me.
Lord Jamar need to let that hate and jealousy go. These bitter old heads are something serious
Just subscribed, Doggie Diamonds 💎 sent me. 💯
This conversation was deep. Had to subscribe
5:45 that part OG 💯
Problem identified. What's the fix?🤔
The god stand on facts .
music is about rhythm and feeling , lyrics are the least important part of it because a good song is a good song even if you dont speak the language its written in
What he Explained is Not what a Industry Plant Is.
Hip hop these day is hella diluted. Bring back the real shit.
Lil Kim started all this! I NEVER liked her either. The foulness was put into hip hop w/ the commercialization by big corporations who wanted to make it do what it’s doing now through NWA and letting the whack rappers on.
Jamar is a grown ass Man and truly one of the Gods!
Now You Buggin , Diddy was Plant
6:30 that's no longer true as (her) FishyBox's generation does not frequent the strip clubs. Older strippers have stated that there is a significant decline in clientele coming in, and that the stripping business is dying due to e-strippers and a change in morality.
Jamar keeping it 100
...spreading their legs since the 70s but now we're speaking about generations later within a genre called HipHop ...different discussion now ...
At least back in the day there's was balance in hip hop
Too lyrical 🤦🏾♂️ smdh😭
The world is upside down
The plant doesn't always know their being used they just think their music hot. Lil Kim was a seed with her explicit lyrics but these female rappers on putting on live porn shows and lil kim didn't do that.
3:32 and on gems 💎 ❤🎉
I DON’T BELIEVE THAT
Y'all think everyone is an industry plant. Lil'Kim is a legend!!!!👑
Talking about black power wearing a Ralph Lauren bucket hat Is wild 😂
Let this man COOK. 🍳
Is this an interview or a conversation???? Smh
Nah Jamar bugging Kim not industry planet come on now
Lord Jamar never disappoints when he brings the knowledge/wisdom
YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT❤❤❤
PREEEEEEEACH LORD JAMAR!!!
slowest take ever. There a few plants Kim and Nikki ain’t one of them lol for so many reasons
Lord Jamar tellin the truth
Used to be underground! We need to keep the underground going.
TALK. TO. EM. JAMAR!!!!! 💯
Foxy followed right behind Kim and it also worked speaks to Lord J point it’s facts
the Plant in question has been lasting in the industry for over 17 years. That was a GOOOOOD A$$ seed 🤣🤣
He's right 100%.