For anyone still deciding, Go with the TrueTrac . If you have one tire stuck in the air, a light application of the foot pedal brake while giving it some gas will cause the TrueTrac to transfer power to the wheel on the ground (and the wheel in the air, it acts like a full locker). Have one installed in my 2000 GMC Yukon and went to hit some trails, I literally didn’t need 4WD. It was freaking insane. The TrueTrac was digging and chewing through everything. The truck was shaking so violently when i crawling through sand I thought I was going to brake something or get stuck. Nope. These things are amazing, HIGHLY recommend. TrueTrac will turn your vehicle into a beast.
Yeah and if you have a traction control system like my old Land Rover it's super super good with a wheel in the air because it doesn't just transfer the torque to the grounded wheel the same as an open diff it does the torque bias affect like it will on the ground and transfers a lot more power to the wheel on the ground. And it's great because you're not hitting the brakes with your brake pedal adding brake Force to all the wheels it's only the spinning wheel and it shoots torque over there . What's crazy is the Land Rover already does it super super well with open differentials so with these it's even more intense
Great videos. Nice to see some people properly showing how to maximize the use of a Torsen style differential. The reason your hand brake worked better then your foot brake is that the jeep was in 2WD and the hand brake just works on those two rear wheels. When you use the foot brake the vast majority of the braking power went to the front wheels which were not powered anyway. This stopped the vehicle dead and the light braking on the one spinning wheel did not make enough torque transfer to overcome all four brakes. This is also why a front Torsen/TrueTrac works better then a rear one with the foot brake.
Excellent demonstration really well explained, im Jason from Wakefield in England, ive got a land rover defender 90 had it for 26yrs and about 12 years ago I put a detroit locker in the back axle and a detroit truetrac in the front axle. Neither of them have been a moments trouble and it totally transformed my defender off road and with towing trailers in bad conditions, detroit locker and truetrac limited slip difficult are the best ive had my defender in all conditions over all terrain and she is a beast and got me through it. Air lockers are too expensive and too much hassle to fit I Don't like them. Detroit/Eaton lockers are the best I'd bet my defender on it anyway you have a great channel love watching it 👍👍👍👍from ja in England.
Thanks for the video, you just saved me from tearing my truetrac apart for no reason. I got it stuck with one wheel in the air while off roading and I thought I broke it because only the unloaded wheel was turning. Confirmed in my garage with my floor jack, same issue. I'll try the test again with the hand/parking brake and see if it will engage. Thanks again for your time!!
I have Eaton Truetracs in 2 of my vehicles. About to put one in my off-road 2WD Ford Ute (Aussie) As someone who has broken over 20 diff centres on the street, the truetrac has never failed me. 9 years of street punishment and it still works like new.
Most excellent demonstration, I think it answered all my questions. I’m pretty much sold on the idea of the TruTrac in the read with a selectable locker In the front. Thanks to the friendly RUclipsrs
Hey man this is an excellent video, hard work doesn't go unnoticed ! I create media too and I know this takes time outta your life and away from your family , thankyou 👍
When I had my TJ, I ran Eaton Tru Teacs front and rear. Performed flawlessly. Mud, snow and ice, the Jeep would just go with now slipping of the wheels. I'm thinking of putting these in my Bronco and pick up.
Nice demo, currently trying to decide between a Detroit locker and Tru Trac. From my research it seems the Tru Trac is much more friendly for daily drivers, towing, parking etc. Good to see it can still get traction with one wheel in the air!
The Detroit lockers are much stronger for rock crawling and extreme off-road according to Eaton, but I’ve ran through rubicon and many other technical trails without any issues. Best.
@@4x2WagonFamily Since my comment I actually got the Detroit Locker for the front Dana 60 and a Trutrac for the 14 bolt. Figured it would be the best of both worlds! No drive time yet as the truck isn't finished but I'll try and give a follow up.
One thing I did to my JK was I modified it to articulate better(changed shock mounts for longer shocks) . This in turn made a big difference in making my truetrac function better.
Exactly how it’s meant to work remember when using the brake pedal you have a percentage of front bias which is how it’s meant to be causing the delay in differential actuation but using the hand brake is directly impinging on rear brake causing resistance required by the differential to activate its lock fantastic I tell you JP!
That's what makes these things so amazing what's my old 2000 Land Rover traction control because it can throw the torque through an open differential with a wheel in the air so imagine what these differentials and it is only adding the brake to the spinning wheel instead of all of them the way people do when they push the brake pedal LOL I have one spinning wheel and immediately launches into the other one I don't even need lockers. Funny Toyotas barely starting to come around with the a track and it still doesn't work as good as 24 year old Land Rover technology
Thanks, I was considering one of these for my truck. Now I'm reconsidering as it would be hard to do brake, clutch and throttle with only 2 legs. My e brake is also a pedal.
Practice the ol' "heel-and-toe" technique. It is the right foot on the brake pedal then (depending on pedal placement, shoe size and how one first learned the maneuver) while keeping pressure on the brake, rotate your foot and use either your toe or your heel to press the throttle. This was primarily used when auto racing using a manual transmission when downshifting to either preserve or replace "synchromesh", allowing a clean, quick gear change with little or no harm done to the transmission)
awesome video & FYI these torsen LSDs not only powerful for off roading but also for street driving. i recommend Wavetrac LSD or Quaife LSD because they have better design & better metals
@@2wheeled76 2004 F250, 33" wrangler duratracs. Light off roading, camping, & most snow has been on the road. It literally has to be 18 inches deep before I even start to worry. My bumper is about 2 feet from the ground though. Other than the tires and truetracs my suspension is stock. I love them. You hardly know they're there, they just work.
@@Ken19700 thanks very much for the info! Agree, I’ve seen some other owners w/TruTrac’s use the brakes to engage non-traction wheel with consistent success. Sounds like the ideal set up: doing much of the same with camping/off-road fishing spots, driving in snowy conditions in the northeast along with exploring all of the un-maintained service roads. No rock crawling.
I’m debating between a Truetrac style torsen front limited slip vs a front ARB locker for my 4Runner. The rear would get an ARB locker. Obviously price vs capability is the determining factor. The 4Runners ATRAC system (similar to Jeeps BLD) isn’t so great in snow where I need both wheels to spin fast instead of the abs allowing for partial spin here and there. I think a Truetrac style diff would help out here. My only concern would be in the rocks when a front wheel is off the ground. The ATRAC system would quickly engage the limited slip so I wouldn’t have to worry about left foot braking, but having a locker would mean I could proactively crawl over obstacles instead of ATRAC “locking” and “unlocking” the Truetrac off and on again while going over rocks etc. My question to you is, if you had to do it all over, would you go for the locker ? Do you think a Truetrac style torsen diff plus an ATRAC style abs brake locker is more than enough for moderate trails ?
great video. thx for doing all of this work. I've been researching trying to decide between the Trutrac or the locker for my E250. Only do a small amount of dirt roads and looking for a little more backup to help prevent getting stuck. Sounds like Trutrac is what would be best for my needs. Thx again.
I find it funny you have a True Trac in the rear with an ARB cover....just makes me giggle a bit lol..... Did you swap it out from an air locker to the True Trac?
I had ox locker installed on the front of my TJ and I thought I had Detroit TT in the rear on Friday. At least that's what my receipt states and that's what I asked for. Going through the shops recommended break in period, I was driving to home depot today, while making a right turn through a water puddle, the right rear broke traction. Okaaaay That's not supposed to happen (I don't think). I came home and jacked both rear wheels up and spun the wheels. Wouldn't you know it.... They spun in the opposite direction. I will be at their front door 1st thing in the AM. I will put this shop on blast if they are crooked.
What you are describing, is the way a TT differential is supposed to work. In your case with a TT in the rear axle. With both rear tires jacked in the air, put it park or leave it in gear. Turn one side forward, and the opposite side will turn in reverse. This is how the TT works. I asked the 4x2WF what would happen if this was done, but he did not reply. The TT is a great LSD but it has characteristics that many are not aware of. Until you understand all of these characteristics you will not have a full understanding of how it works, and whether or not the TT is the best differential for any given application. Many claim the TT LSD is the best LSD, I say it depends on the application. I believe in your application, which sounds like a street driven Jeep application, since you were driving in Home Depot parking lot, but you use it off road as well, so you want the best of both. The TT in the rear with a locker in front is an excellent choice, for your application, in my opinion. There are other applications when I would not suggest a TT in the rear. Suppose you had a TT in the rear of a vehicle and you were towing a boat. Now let’s say you are pulling the boat up a boat ramp in the winter, and there is ice or snow limiting traction for one wheel and good traction for the other. The TT should be able to pull up the hill, and if you applied a little brake pressure, either by foot or applying the E-brake slightly, the TT would pull you and your boat up the ramp with only one wheel having good traction. Now suppose you stopped on the same boat ramp, half way up because you want to strap the boat down, with good traction under one wheel, and snow or ice under the other wheel. What would happen it you put it in park, and got out of your vehicle? See the Eaton owners manual for this in writing from the company that manufactured it. www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/differentials-traction-control/Eaton-differentials-owners-manual.pdf
With the 4 wheel drive system engaged the Jeep Command Trac system would have attempted to keep all four wheels turning at the same RPM. Therefore no pumping of brakes should have been required because the Command Track system would have braked the free spinning wheel in an attempt to slow it down and shifting power to the other wheel. We have to run the test again with the system engaged! The Jeep Command Trac and the Truetrac systems are independent systems but work together or complement each other when the command Trac system is engaged.
Yeah sounds like the same as the original Land Rover traction control. That's what I have right now and I'm just wondering if I add a true track would it just help that traction control to work less? Also in this video I'm pretty sure an open differential would do the same thing if you apply the brakes
I have a true trac In the rear of my 4cyl 4x4 Tacoma with a manual , and I found it very difficult to try and brake while working the clutch , especially in hairy situations it’s almost impossible, but the yanking of my ebrake almost always worked out for me when one tire was off the ground .
@jacobstallcup8648 yes it did. Still running it. If you're on a steep angle in wet grass it will spin both tires but much better otherwise. I havent had any issues in the rain.
I gotta ask my differential guy is waiting on me to make a decision. I’ve got a 2017 TRD Sport Tacoma I hated the Electronic lsd in it. All my previous Tacoma’s were Off road models and had E lock. I’ve been advised to go with a Detroit Locker in the rear now I am learning about this True Trac. This Tacoma has very low miles it is a Automatic Tranny. I hunt at night in the truck . Coon hunt with Hounds. I never know where they r going to tree and I’m in muddy fields a bunch. Which diff should I go with???
No it wasn't like driving over at Pebble because the wheel was off the ground the point wasn't how high it was it was the fact that it was off of the ground and it doesn't matter how high off the ground off the ground is off the ground LOL wow
This definitely seems like it would work better in the front. The foot brake and gas would work better in the front diff because the brake bias is heavier in the front using regular braking. The ebrake worked better in yours because the bias is heavier in rear, or t least more evenly split. From what I've learned anyway, (on older vehicles) correct me if I'm wrong.
I’d like to see it when the jeeps crossed up in a steep ditch or creek and there’s a lot more resistance than a flat driveway that the Jeep basically falls off the Jack if leaned on. I appreciate the video. Well done.
Here’s my latest trip to the rubicon trail and I drove up soup bowl. It’s a very challenging obstacle if you’re not familiar. Although on camera it doesn’t look that bad, but not too many people will try or make it through. ruclips.net/video/HVNc2BBVuOU/видео.html
Yeah my 24 year old Land Rover Discovery has really aggressive ABS traction control specifically for off-road and it will put the torque through an open differential so quick when it's in the air that with one of these the torque by its effect from the break to the gripping wheel is even more intense than it was through a open diff. It's crazy you can pick up these old Land Rovers for like 4 grand and they're insane off-road and then throw a little money into them and you don't look like everybody on the trail driving a Jeep or a Toyota. Totally Rock Solid front and rear third member is totally balanced like a quad all aluminum lightweight durable it's amazing. Solid axles front and rear coils all around tons of articulation
Thanks for this great video. I am still trying to decide. I have independent front suspension. So imagine I am on a rutted out trail and one wheel raises from the ground (this happens alot). The wheel off the ground will receive all the power. Do I quickly have to move my left foot over to the ebrake to make the Truetrac give power to the wheel on the ground? this type of situation is the biggest reason I am considering a locker or Truetrac. A locker might be better for this situation because I would not lose momentum while I figure out how to get my left foot to the ebrake. Not feeling fantastic spending twice as much for ARB plus the compressor tho! Thanks for any comments about this.
If you have traction control it will be highly effective because when it grabs only the spinning wheel it will bias the torque and send it to the gripping wheel as opposed to pushing the brakes and sending brake power to the wheel that you want to grip and now it has to fight your brakes. If you're going to is where all the weight goes when you're doing a climb and you don't raise wheel as much with the rear but who cares if you raise the front because it can't pull you up a hill very well it's hardly gripping because even the one on the ground is barely gripping . Obviously front and rear is best but if you're only going to choose one don't get only front it makes no sense there's plenty of videos showing that only a rear is the best and if the front spins it won't matter because the rear is still pushing you with both Wheels on the ground from behind and you're going to make it just fine. The people that say get a front first of the people that aren't very serious and they just think the wheel is in the air so you might as well stop it but the rear ones are always on the ground
Your wheel on passenger side is bent or the tire is bad it wobbles , look at footage when it is off ground .. and i have Brake lock diffs in my jeep and never had a problem in really deep snow .. never needed a locker… and i snow wheel all season long
Yes but an open diff wouldn't send as much power because it doesn't have the torque bias effect. Which means an open differential will only send let's say 50 lb to the other side while this would send 150 lb because the torque buyers is 3:1 ratio while a open is 1:1ratio. Also a clutch style limited slip does not benefit from brake Force because it requires spinning to engage internally. Lastly if you want the best of the best attraction Control System like Land Rovers 20yrs ago or Toyota Atrac nowadays is even better because it applies brakes only to the spinning wheel. With what this guy was doing in the video you are actually fighting against the breaks because they are squeezing on the wheel at the ground also so even though it wants to turn its fighting the brakes but with traffic control it only breaks the spinning wheel and then there's differential works amazing after it grabs
If Im not mistaken, with the trutrac in a situation like that tapping the brakes will create a “locking” situation, the hmmwvs in the military use a similar diff. Thats what I was taught to do anyway.
Yeah it's not really a locking effect it's really just shooting torque to the other side momentarily. The torque virus effect of these is 3 to 1 so when both wheels are on the ground you can lose a lot of traction on one side but as long as it still has a little grip it will send it to the better side but when the wheel gets in the are the brake Force becomes that weaker grip and then it sends more torque to the gripping wheel based on how hard you're pushing the brake and it multiplies the break resistance. Only crappy thing is if you don't have a traction control system it's adding brake Force to all the wheels but if you do it's only breaking the one in the air and it's even better the Hummer H1 having pretty much an identical setup as the Humvee ended up using ABS traction control around the year 2000 when Land Rover came out with it and they adopted the same company wabco for their braking system Land Rover uses open differentials to do it pretty well but H1 having these and the TC was awesome
Awesome video brother. I just installed it on my 98 obs chevy. Had 1 wheel in the air and couldn’t get both tires to lock. I used your advice on tapping on the brakes but no luck. Any other advice you might have that Im not doing? Thanks man
A good demonstration for those that didn't understand. The problem is that the TrueTrac is pretty useless in a manual transmission vehicle since I would need to be on the throttle and the clutch at the same time and, thankfully, my dick isn't quite long enough to reach the brake pedal. I know what you're going to say, but my parking brake is foot operated too. Because I have a F350 street truck with lockouts, I plan to install a lunch box locker in the front and, if necessary, a posi of some sort in the rear. So, no odd handling, no tire scrubbing, no premature tire wear and nobody staring because of the clicking and banging when turning.
Well it opens back up because it never really locked it just transferred torque and it stops transferring to work because you let off the break. It's only transferring torque because it's matching your break resistance to the other side. If you had traction control and it grabbed only that Spinning Wheel it would be multiplying the strength of the grip the spinning wheel is receiving from the brakes and sending that across to the gripping wheel kind of like an open differential on a Land Rover traction control or a Toyota A-Trak except for it multiplies the torque instead of just sending an equal amount of torque compared to how hard the brake is grabbing and really it was never locked but just sending torque to match how hard the brakes were grabbing. It's like a chain reaction I'm sending torque by default that strength has to move to another location and it becomes the other wheel
The military teaches you to use the brake pedal with the gas because the Humvees have a torsion differential front and rear where the parking brake would only help engage the rear tires. The front tires would not be so by getting proficient with the brake pedal you can drag your brakes as your tires start to lift and keep on moving that was a good video though
4wd hi and lo Jeeps traction control will enable BLD, or “brake lock differential” which will automatically apply brakes to a spinning wheel which will remove your need to manually intervene. While using jacks to test this in 4wd is difficult I think that you would find that your Jeep would pull you off three jacks with one tire on the ground with much less wheel spin than with BLD alone. Note that I have a manual transmission JK and so some of this may operate differently, but even with pre-traction control vehicles I found that dragging the brakes after the accelerator was applied was the best method for getting a tire in the air to transfer power to the wheel on the ground. But as I mentioned above in 4wd hi and lo modern jeeps will use BLD to try and keep both wheels on an axle spinning the same RPM. While I am not sure why they made this design decision the same is not true in 2wd where BLD is apparently disabled. I have been everywhere from the Mojave to the Arctic circle in December with my TrueTrac equipped Jeep and I love how in 4wd hi it almost removes all of the throttle reducing impacts of ESC when running through sand and how transparently it works on slick surfaces. While there are benefits and tradeoffs for any technology, IMHO the TrueTrac is one of the best upgrades I made to the Jeep and for my use case is far superior to a locker.
Nice ! Have you ever come to a point that you wished you had a locker or been not able to proceed on trails or up an obstacle due to not having a locker? I have a 2020 Ranger with locker and it goes everywhere, literally. Can’t afford a Rubicon and was curious how successful you’ve been because I really would like a Sport 2 door manual.
Great comment. I have Land Rover Discovery 2 with original traction control that uses abs and it works wonders and so I'm just curious if the true track would help it and maybe it would have to kick in a little less because the true track? What do you think?
And Land Rover traction control applies only the spinning wheel lol even better to split torque to a wheel that doesn't have the brakes grabbing it while it's on the ground
Yes, but instead of using the hand break you can use the foot brake. If you have truetrac both front and rear you probably will not have any issues in the first place:)
You should see how good it works if you have a trashy control system that applies the brake only to the spinning wheel. Hell even a tracking control system with an open differential is better
I have a 14 Jeep and I just did true trac in the front for now (made a huge difference) I was thinking to do locker in the rear. What made you do the opposite of what I’m doing? (Meaning true trac rear, locker front?
The lockers in the front is more effective meaning it’s better to pull the Jeep over obstacles vs pushing. Also, The trutrac in the front will not work if the wheel is turned or turning a slight bit. I hope that makes sense.
The pulling aspect makes sense. It still performs well for me even when turning. I figured a true track would be easier on a dana 30 than a locker would. And I do have some control over disengaging it when I put it in 2wd for Street use. I like the aspect of having a locker in the rear for daily driving because I can disengage it (and Dana 44 is stronger). Either way though it’s way better than open diffs that I use for the first year
I did the opposite because I have a Dana 30 Hp front and didn't want to grenade it with a full lock locker. I like the idea of the front diff having a little play/buffer. My rear axle is much stronger and is getting a selectable OX. Figured this setup would have the best overall road manners and least tire wear as well. Seems like a torsen in the front allows you to ride the brake a bit to get the grip tire to turn if the other is airborne.
@2s1 I agree I’m gonna stick with dana30 so truetrac seems less prone to break things. I’m just trying to decided now between arb locker or e locker for rear. E locker is cheaper which is nice but all my friends swear by arbs. Guy at shop tells me Detroit e locker is better than factory rubi Locker so I might go with E
Do the true tracs cause the tires to chirp when cornering??? I currenty have the yukon and grizzly locker that is supposed to unlock around corners too but its chirping bad and burning through my tires.
@@4x2WagonFamilyNo excessive tire wear either? My drivetrain guy is telling me that the true tracs lock up like the Grizzley's around conrners and causes the tires to bind slightly and wear way faster. Hes saying i should go with an eaton electric locker instead which im sure would be best but might be a little overkill and am just trying to figure out the best route. Im running 37's and 4.88 in a gm 10 bolt
I just put an Eaton Tru Trac on my jeep when i installed 5.13 gears this weekend. Does the ESP and ESC controls kick on before the tru trac. I did wire the a cut off switch to manually turn it off. Just curious. Thanks!
Congrats I think you’ll love it. I’m not sure about ESP or ESC.. When I engage my 4x4 mode I usually turn off all traction control settings so that I’m not fighting the system:)
@@4x2WagonFamily So far so good. It’s a huge difference over the stock 3.21 with the open diff. I will have to play with it after the break in period and report back. Great video.
@@boorion4468 Awesome to know and thanks for the info. I am a middle aged man who is pretty level headed but the kid in me wants to test it out and try to do some donuts "for old times sake". 😂
I put 513 gears and the truetrac in my 2003 Chevy Avalanche. It's a world of difference. Not just the gears of course they're fun. The Truetrac it does work
I've got a 2022 Ram with the anti spin diff when I jack up both sides of the rear and turn one wheel forward other sides turns in reverse is this normal
I ran Detroit true Trac on a 2 wheel drive 96 f150 in the mountains and snow in Utah. Never got stuck and never slipped a tire. It was fantastic. See my channel
I also live in Utah and I'm getting my rear end rebuilt in 2 weeks at Axis Driveline in North Salt Lake. They are putting in Yukon 4.10 gears (already have 4.10's but rear end is howling) and Eaton TrueTrac. I'm excited because my Z71 usually needs 4x4 to pull my boat out of the lake on a wet ramp. It will be nice to be able to get more traction instead of just spinning the right rear tire. Also on wet roads trying to climb a steep hill I have to baby the throttle or else the right rear just spins.
To my mind, these Trutrac are absolutely useless for 4x4 application. If you are having to drive hard to get up a rock or steep Incline. You don't want to be stopping to apply the hand brake or foot brake as soon as one wheel comes up in the air. An E locker would be far better in the rear. Or a Torson
What happens if you turn the engine off, with it in park, or leave it in gear, lift both rear tires off the ground, and try to spin one rear tire by hand?
For anyone still deciding, Go with the TrueTrac . If you have one tire stuck in the air, a light application of the foot pedal brake while giving it some gas will cause the TrueTrac to transfer power to the wheel on the ground (and the wheel in the air, it acts like a full locker). Have one installed in my 2000 GMC Yukon and went to hit some trails, I literally didn’t need 4WD. It was freaking insane. The TrueTrac was digging and chewing through everything. The truck was shaking so violently when i crawling through sand I thought I was going to brake something or get stuck. Nope. These things are amazing, HIGHLY recommend. TrueTrac will turn your vehicle into a beast.
Yeah and if you have a traction control system like my old Land Rover it's super super good with a wheel in the air because it doesn't just transfer the torque to the grounded wheel the same as an open diff it does the torque bias affect like it will on the ground and transfers a lot more power to the wheel on the ground. And it's great because you're not hitting the brakes with your brake pedal adding brake Force to all the wheels it's only the spinning wheel and it shoots torque over there . What's crazy is the Land Rover already does it super super well with open differentials so with these it's even more intense
Great videos. Nice to see some people properly showing how to maximize the use of a Torsen style differential.
The reason your hand brake worked better then your foot brake is that the jeep was in 2WD and the hand brake just works on those two rear wheels. When you use the foot brake the vast majority of the braking power went to the front wheels which were not powered anyway. This stopped the vehicle dead and the light braking on the one spinning wheel did not make enough torque transfer to overcome all four brakes. This is also why a front Torsen/TrueTrac works better then a rear one with the foot brake.
Thanks for showing how to properly use the Truetrac by loading it with the brakes...lots of people don't realize how they work.
Excellent demonstration really well explained, im Jason from Wakefield in England, ive got a land rover defender 90 had it for 26yrs and about 12 years ago I put a detroit locker in the back axle and a detroit truetrac in the front axle. Neither of them have been a moments trouble and it totally transformed my defender off road and with towing trailers in bad conditions, detroit locker and truetrac limited slip difficult are the best ive had my defender in all conditions over all terrain and she is a beast and got me through it. Air lockers are too expensive and too much hassle to fit I Don't like them. Detroit/Eaton lockers are the best I'd bet my defender on it anyway you have a great channel love watching it 👍👍👍👍from ja in England.
Thank you so much for sharing your story from across the pond.
Thanks for the video, you just saved me from tearing my truetrac apart for no reason. I got it stuck with one wheel in the air while off roading and I thought I broke it because only the unloaded wheel was turning. Confirmed in my garage with my floor jack, same issue. I'll try the test again with the hand/parking brake and see if it will engage. Thanks again for your time!!
I have Eaton Truetracs in 2 of my vehicles. About to put one in my off-road 2WD Ford Ute (Aussie)
As someone who has broken over 20 diff centres on the street, the truetrac has never failed me.
9 years of street punishment and it still works like new.
How did it work out with the 2wd Ford SUV? I'd like to do the same with my 2wd Expedition. Thank you.
Most excellent demonstration, I think it answered all my questions.
I’m pretty much sold on the idea of the TruTrac in the read with a selectable locker In the front.
Thanks to the friendly RUclipsrs
Hey man this is an excellent video, hard work doesn't go unnoticed ! I create media too and I know this takes time outta your life and away from your family , thankyou 👍
When I had my TJ, I ran Eaton Tru Teacs front and rear.
Performed flawlessly. Mud, snow and ice, the Jeep would just go with now slipping of the wheels.
I'm thinking of putting these in my Bronco and pick up.
Nice demo, currently trying to decide between a Detroit locker and Tru Trac. From my research it seems the Tru Trac is much more friendly for daily drivers, towing, parking etc. Good to see it can still get traction with one wheel in the air!
The Detroit lockers are much stronger for rock crawling and extreme off-road according to Eaton, but I’ve ran through rubicon and many other technical trails without any issues. Best.
@@4x2WagonFamily Since my comment I actually got the Detroit Locker for the front Dana 60 and a Trutrac for the 14 bolt. Figured it would be the best of both worlds! No drive time yet as the truck isn't finished but I'll try and give a follow up.
@@berserkir Mr money bags
Awesome demonstration and love that your kids saw the demo too.
Great video. I was on the fence about a detroit vs a truetrac and this video has me convinced that a detroit is the way to go
The hand brake trick works with an open diff too. I've been doing it for 40 years.
Excellent. Your video convinced me to buy a Trutrac AND fix my hand brake.
One thing I did to my JK was I modified it to articulate better(changed shock mounts for longer shocks) . This in turn made a big difference in making my truetrac function better.
Awesome Video! Just shows Jeep gives all of us traction without lockers.
Yess sir young man keeping my eyes on the wheel
:) . Kids are awsome !!!
I've been considering this modification. Thanks for making it easier.
Yes this is what I would expect....for several reasons.... Very good demonstration !!! 🤙
Excellent demonstration. Love these videos! Sorry I am 2 years late with the like and subscribe! 😅
Haha, I sooooo wish you had cut the video after the ice cream truck to you all of a sudden having an ice cream in your hand 😎
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Exactly how it’s meant to work remember when using the brake pedal you have a percentage of front bias which is how it’s meant to be causing the delay in differential actuation but using the hand brake is directly impinging on rear brake causing resistance required by the differential to activate its lock fantastic I tell you JP!
That's what makes these things so amazing what's my old 2000 Land Rover traction control because it can throw the torque through an open differential with a wheel in the air so imagine what these differentials and it is only adding the brake to the spinning wheel instead of all of them the way people do when they push the brake pedal LOL I have one spinning wheel and immediately launches into the other one I don't even need lockers. Funny Toyotas barely starting to come around with the a track and it still doesn't work as good as 24 year old Land Rover technology
Thank you, this helps. Im thinking of putting a trutrac in the rear and locker in the front of my ram
Thanks, I was considering one of these for my truck. Now I'm reconsidering as it would be hard to do brake, clutch and throttle with only 2 legs. My e brake is also a pedal.
Practice the ol' "heel-and-toe" technique. It is the right foot on the brake pedal then (depending on pedal placement, shoe size and how one first learned the maneuver) while keeping pressure on the brake, rotate your foot and use either your toe or your heel to press the throttle. This was primarily used when auto racing using a manual transmission when downshifting to either preserve or replace "synchromesh", allowing a clean, quick gear change with little or no harm done to the transmission)
awesome video & FYI these torsen LSDs not only powerful for off roading but also for street driving. i recommend Wavetrac LSD or Quaife LSD because they have better design & better metals
EXCELLENT demonstration, thank you.
Excellent demonstration
Thank you my jeep is getting these installed today and this will be very helpful
I love my truetracs. I have them front and rear with no issues.
What vehicle? And have you had any experience with them in the snow? TIA!
@@2wheeled76 2004 F250, 33" wrangler duratracs. Light off roading, camping, & most snow has been on the road. It literally has to be 18 inches deep before I even start to worry. My bumper is about 2 feet from the ground though. Other than the tires and truetracs my suspension is stock. I love them. You hardly know they're there, they just work.
@@2wheeled76 Also, when this drove off the bottle jack he guy disproved that nonsense about needing both wheels on the ground or else it's useless.
@@Ken19700 thanks very much for the info! Agree, I’ve seen some other owners w/TruTrac’s use the brakes to engage non-traction wheel with consistent success. Sounds like the ideal set up: doing much of the same with camping/off-road fishing spots, driving in snowy conditions in the northeast along with exploring all of the un-maintained service roads. No rock crawling.
@@2wheeled76 I'm not doing any extreme off roading but the military uses the same type of differential in their vehicles as well.
I still prefer the Wavetrac and E-locker for a couple of reasons but the Truetracs still do a good job.
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I’m debating between a Truetrac style torsen front limited slip vs a front ARB locker for my 4Runner. The rear would get an ARB locker. Obviously price vs capability is the determining factor.
The 4Runners ATRAC system (similar to Jeeps BLD) isn’t so great in snow where I need both wheels to spin fast instead of the abs allowing for partial spin here and there. I think a Truetrac style diff would help out here.
My only concern would be in the rocks when a front wheel is off the ground. The ATRAC system would quickly engage the limited slip so I wouldn’t have to worry about left foot braking, but having a locker would mean I could proactively crawl over obstacles instead of ATRAC “locking” and “unlocking” the Truetrac off and on again while going over rocks etc.
My question to you is, if you had to do it all over, would you go for the locker ? Do you think a Truetrac style torsen diff plus an ATRAC style abs brake locker is more than enough for moderate trails ?
great video. thx for doing all of this work. I've been researching trying to decide between the Trutrac or the locker for my E250. Only do a small amount of dirt roads and looking for a little more backup to help prevent getting stuck. Sounds like Trutrac is what would be best for my needs. Thx again.
I find it funny you have a True Trac in the rear with an ARB cover....just makes me giggle a bit lol..... Did you swap it out from an air locker to the True Trac?
Good vid. One pretty important thing I found about truetrac is that it doesn’t work in reverse. Wish I had known that before getting one lol
Well done!, if you learn anything at all in was a great video. And id have paused to get an ice cream cone
If you cannot afford, or cannot find (in case of 2019+ HD Rams), an ARB Air or Eaton E-Locker, this trutrac is the way to go!
Great video.....excellent explanation and demo👍🏼
I had ox locker installed on the front of my TJ and I thought I had Detroit TT in the rear on Friday. At least that's what my receipt states and that's what I asked for. Going through the shops recommended break in period, I was driving to home depot today, while making a right turn through a water puddle, the right rear broke traction. Okaaaay That's not supposed to happen (I don't think). I came home and jacked both rear wheels up and spun the wheels. Wouldn't you know it.... They spun in the opposite direction.
I will be at their front door 1st thing in the AM.
I will put this shop on blast if they are crooked.
What you are describing, is the way a TT differential is supposed to work. In your case with a TT in the rear axle. With both rear tires jacked in the air, put it park or leave it in gear. Turn one side forward, and the opposite side will turn in reverse. This is how the TT works.
I asked the 4x2WF what would happen if this was done, but he did not reply. The TT is a great LSD but it has characteristics that many are not aware of. Until you understand all of these characteristics you will not have a full understanding of how it works, and whether or not the TT is the best differential for any given application. Many claim the TT LSD is the best LSD, I say it depends on the application.
I believe in your application, which sounds like a street driven Jeep application, since you were driving in Home Depot parking lot, but you use it off road as well, so you want the best of both. The TT in the rear with a locker in front is an excellent choice, for your application, in my opinion.
There are other applications when I would not suggest a TT in the rear.
Suppose you had a TT in the rear of a vehicle and you were towing a boat. Now let’s say you are pulling the boat up a boat ramp in the winter, and there is ice or snow limiting traction for one wheel and good traction for the other. The TT should be able to pull up the hill, and if you applied a little brake pressure, either by foot or applying the E-brake slightly, the TT would pull you and your boat up the ramp with only one wheel having good traction.
Now suppose you stopped on the same boat ramp, half way up because you want to strap the boat down, with good traction under one wheel, and snow or ice under the other wheel. What would happen it you put it in park, and got out of your vehicle?
See the Eaton owners manual for this in writing from the company that manufactured it.
www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/differentials-traction-control/Eaton-differentials-owners-manual.pdf
Super helpful! thank you!
Good videos. You should do one with using traction control and not. They work great together!
Lockers in front and back cannot be beaten.
Awesome demonstration man.👍👍
With the 4 wheel drive system engaged the Jeep Command Trac system would have attempted to keep all four wheels turning at the same RPM. Therefore no pumping of brakes should have been required because the Command Track system would have braked the free spinning wheel in an attempt to slow it down and shifting power to the other wheel. We have to run the test again with the system engaged! The Jeep Command Trac and the Truetrac systems are independent systems but work together or complement each other when the command Trac system is engaged.
Yeah sounds like the same as the original Land Rover traction control. That's what I have right now and I'm just wondering if I add a true track would it just help that traction control to work less? Also in this video I'm pretty sure an open differential would do the same thing if you apply the brakes
I have a true trac In the rear of my 4cyl 4x4 Tacoma with a manual , and I found it very difficult to try and brake while working the clutch , especially in hairy situations it’s almost impossible, but the yanking of my ebrake almost always worked out for me when one tire was off the ground .
I am installing one on my 2007 Silverado. Its RWD and undriveable in the snow/ice and rain. This should help. I hate open diffs.
Did it help a good bit
@jacobstallcup8648 yes it did. Still running it. If you're on a steep angle in wet grass it will spin both tires but much better otherwise. I havent had any issues in the rain.
I gotta ask my differential guy is waiting on me to make a decision. I’ve got a 2017 TRD Sport Tacoma I hated the Electronic lsd in it. All my previous Tacoma’s were Off road models and had E lock. I’ve been advised to go with a Detroit Locker in the rear now I am learning about this True Trac. This Tacoma has very low miles it is a Automatic Tranny. I hunt at night in the truck . Coon hunt with Hounds. I never know where they r going to tree and I’m in muddy fields a bunch. Which diff should I go with???
Great video! Thanks!
that bottle jack was pretty much like driving over a tiny pebble.. or a penny. a real 2way LS diff handle that no problem
No it wasn't like driving over at Pebble because the wheel was off the ground the point wasn't how high it was it was the fact that it was off of the ground and it doesn't matter how high off the ground off the ground is off the ground LOL wow
This definitely seems like it would work better in the front. The foot brake and gas would work better in the front diff because the brake bias is heavier in the front using regular braking. The ebrake worked better in yours because the bias is heavier in rear, or t least more evenly split. From what I've learned anyway, (on older vehicles) correct me if I'm wrong.
jeep was in 2 wheel drive. The front wheels were braking and keeping the jeep from moving when he applied the food brake.
@@williamgrayson3239 Use the emergency brake.
I’d like to see it when the jeeps crossed up in a steep ditch or creek and there’s a lot more resistance than a flat driveway that the Jeep basically falls off the Jack if leaned on. I appreciate the video. Well done.
Here’s my latest trip to the rubicon trail and I drove up soup bowl. It’s a very challenging obstacle if you’re not familiar. Although on camera it doesn’t look that bad, but not too many people will try or make it through.
ruclips.net/video/HVNc2BBVuOU/видео.html
The true trac with brake traction control. What jeep calls a brake lock differential. That is pretty good. It will apply brake to the wheel spinning.
Yeah my 24 year old Land Rover Discovery has really aggressive ABS traction control specifically for off-road and it will put the torque through an open differential so quick when it's in the air that with one of these the torque by its effect from the break to the gripping wheel is even more intense than it was through a open diff. It's crazy you can pick up these old Land Rovers for like 4 grand and they're insane off-road and then throw a little money into them and you don't look like everybody on the trail driving a Jeep or a Toyota. Totally Rock Solid front and rear third member is totally balanced like a quad all aluminum lightweight durable it's amazing. Solid axles front and rear coils all around tons of articulation
Swapping in torsen diffs with that level of brake traction control is better than lockers. @@ronaldrrootiii6040
hello! Is it advisable to use a truetrack, is it recommended on the front axle? For a wrangler mixed use more than normal road?
Yes it is not actually a locker it handles perfect on the road you can't tell it's there
Thanks for this great video. I am still trying to decide. I have independent front suspension. So imagine I am on a rutted out trail and one wheel raises from the ground (this happens alot). The wheel off the ground will receive all the power. Do I quickly have to move my left foot over to the ebrake to make the Truetrac give power to the wheel on the ground? this type of situation is the biggest reason I am considering a locker or Truetrac. A locker might be better for this situation because I would not lose momentum while I figure out how to get my left foot to the ebrake. Not feeling fantastic spending twice as much for ARB plus the compressor tho! Thanks for any comments about this.
Eaton elockers is a great option and wallet friendly.
If you have traction control it will be highly effective because when it grabs only the spinning wheel it will bias the torque and send it to the gripping wheel as opposed to pushing the brakes and sending brake power to the wheel that you want to grip and now it has to fight your brakes. If you're going to is where all the weight goes when you're doing a climb and you don't raise wheel as much with the rear but who cares if you raise the front because it can't pull you up a hill very well it's hardly gripping because even the one on the ground is barely gripping . Obviously front and rear is best but if you're only going to choose one don't get only front it makes no sense there's plenty of videos showing that only a rear is the best and if the front spins it won't matter because the rear is still pushing you with both Wheels on the ground from behind and you're going to make it just fine. The people that say get a front first of the people that aren't very serious and they just think the wheel is in the air so you might as well stop it but the rear ones are always on the ground
Super helpful. Thx
Good day. What about one wheel on the ground no breaks with acceleration ?
Your wheel on passenger side is bent or the tire is bad it wobbles , look at footage when it is off ground .. and i have Brake lock diffs in my jeep and never had a problem in really deep snow .. never needed a locker… and i snow wheel all season long
Awesome video!
Thank you..
Great video. Thank you! Wouldn't the same thing happen if it was an open diff?
It should work with any 4x4 system including an open Diff.
Yes but an open diff wouldn't send as much power because it doesn't have the torque bias effect. Which means an open differential will only send let's say 50 lb to the other side while this would send 150 lb because the torque buyers is 3:1 ratio while a open is 1:1ratio.
Also a clutch style limited slip does not benefit from brake Force because it requires spinning to engage internally.
Lastly if you want the best of the best attraction Control System like Land Rovers 20yrs ago or Toyota Atrac nowadays is even better because it applies brakes only to the spinning wheel. With what this guy was doing in the video you are actually fighting against the breaks because they are squeezing on the wheel at the ground also so even though it wants to turn its fighting the brakes but with traffic control it only breaks the spinning wheel and then there's differential works amazing after it grabs
If Im not mistaken, with the trutrac in a situation like that tapping the brakes will create a “locking” situation, the hmmwvs in the military use a similar diff. Thats what I was taught to do anyway.
Yeah it's not really a locking effect it's really just shooting torque to the other side momentarily. The torque virus effect of these is 3 to 1 so when both wheels are on the ground you can lose a lot of traction on one side but as long as it still has a little grip it will send it to the better side but when the wheel gets in the are the brake Force becomes that weaker grip and then it sends more torque to the gripping wheel based on how hard you're pushing the brake and it multiplies the break resistance. Only crappy thing is if you don't have a traction control system it's adding brake Force to all the wheels but if you do it's only breaking the one in the air and it's even better the Hummer H1 having pretty much an identical setup as the Humvee ended up using ABS traction control around the year 2000 when Land Rover came out with it and they adopted the same company wabco for their braking system Land Rover uses open differentials to do it pretty well but H1 having these and the TC was awesome
Great video thanks!!!
My GM g80 has an interesting operation. It’s a PTE differential.
Pray To Engage 🙏
It works at least 48% of the time.
Awesome! where is the link to the video you mention about LSD in the snow?
At the end of the video you can click on the traction playlist. Has all the Truetrac snow videos.
Awesome video brother. I just installed it on my 98 obs chevy. Had 1 wheel in the air and couldn’t get both tires to lock. I used your advice on tapping on the brakes but no luck. Any other advice you might have that Im not doing? Thanks man
Tapping the foot brake generally doesn’t apply enough brake power to the rear, so try pushing the rear parking brake.
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A good demonstration for those that didn't understand.
The problem is that the TrueTrac is pretty useless in a manual transmission vehicle since I would need to be on the throttle and the clutch at the same time and, thankfully, my dick isn't quite long enough to reach the brake pedal.
I know what you're going to say, but my parking brake is foot operated too.
Because I have a F350 street truck with lockouts, I plan to install a lunch box locker in the front and, if necessary, a posi of some sort in the rear. So, no odd handling, no tire scrubbing, no premature tire wear and nobody staring because of the clicking and banging when turning.
What if you had the left in the air?
What would happen if you were able to apply a break to one side breaking only to the spinning wheel ?
When you apply brakes to get the torsen to lock up does it stayed locked when you release the brakes or does it open up again?
Well it opens back up because it never really locked it just transferred torque and it stops transferring to work because you let off the break. It's only transferring torque because it's matching your break resistance to the other side. If you had traction control and it grabbed only that Spinning Wheel it would be multiplying the strength of the grip the spinning wheel is receiving from the brakes and sending that across to the gripping wheel kind of like an open differential on a Land Rover traction control or a Toyota A-Trak except for it multiplies the torque instead of just sending an equal amount of torque compared to how hard the brake is grabbing and really it was never locked but just sending torque to match how hard the brakes were grabbing. It's like a chain reaction I'm sending torque by default that strength has to move to another location and it becomes the other wheel
great video!
The military teaches you to use the brake pedal with the gas because the Humvees have a torsion differential front and rear where the parking brake would only help engage the rear tires. The front tires would not be so by getting proficient with the brake pedal you can drag your brakes as your tires start to lift and keep on moving that was a good video though
4wd hi and lo Jeeps traction control will enable BLD, or “brake lock differential” which will automatically apply brakes to a spinning wheel which will remove your need to manually intervene.
While using jacks to test this in 4wd is difficult I think that you would find that your Jeep would pull you off three jacks with one tire on the ground with much less wheel spin than with BLD alone.
Note that I have a manual transmission JK and so some of this may operate differently, but even with pre-traction control vehicles I found that dragging the brakes after the accelerator was applied was the best method for getting a tire in the air to transfer power to the wheel on the ground. But as I mentioned above in 4wd hi and lo modern jeeps will use BLD to try and keep both wheels on an axle spinning the same RPM. While I am not sure why they made this design decision the same is not true in 2wd where BLD is apparently disabled.
I have been everywhere from the Mojave to the Arctic circle in December with my TrueTrac equipped Jeep and I love how in 4wd hi it almost removes all of the throttle reducing impacts of ESC when running through sand and how transparently it works on slick surfaces.
While there are benefits and tradeoffs for any technology, IMHO the TrueTrac is one of the best upgrades I made to the Jeep and for my use case is far superior to a locker.
Nice ! Have you ever come to a point that you wished you had a locker or been not able to proceed on trails or up an obstacle due to not having a locker? I have a 2020 Ranger with locker and it goes everywhere, literally. Can’t afford a Rubicon and was curious how successful you’ve been because I really would like a Sport 2 door manual.
Great comment. I have Land Rover Discovery 2 with original traction control that uses abs and it works wonders and so I'm just curious if the true track would help it and maybe it would have to kick in a little less because the true track? What do you think?
truetrac front and rear, handbrake controls the rear wheels when off the ground and foot brake controls the front
And Land Rover traction control applies only the spinning wheel lol even better to split torque to a wheel that doesn't have the brakes grabbing it while it's on the ground
The biggest problem with land rover traction control is that it requires one to own a land rover, bugger that@@ronaldrrootiii6040
How far do you pull the hand brake back?
Far enough to actuate the locker. It all depends on the adjustment of the cable for your brake.
What’s bout a truetrac in the front? Work the same?
Yes, but instead of using the hand break you can use the foot brake. If you have truetrac both front and rear you probably will not have any issues in the first place:)
I'm sold. Please let Eaton know where to send your commission check
You should see how good it works if you have a trashy control system that applies the brake only to the spinning wheel. Hell even a tracking control system with an open differential is better
Are the new Jeeps rears with limited slips clutch or something like the Truetrac?
No, all jeeps are open differential except the rubicon and Moab trim models.
I have a 14 Jeep and I just did true trac in the front for now (made a huge difference) I was thinking to do locker in the rear. What made you do the opposite of what I’m doing? (Meaning true trac rear, locker front?
The lockers in the front is more effective meaning it’s better to pull the Jeep over obstacles vs pushing. Also, The trutrac in the front will not work if the wheel is turned or turning a slight bit. I hope that makes sense.
The pulling aspect makes sense. It still performs well for me even when turning. I figured a true track would be easier on a dana 30 than a locker would. And I do have some control over disengaging it when I put it in 2wd for Street use. I like the aspect of having a locker in the rear for daily driving because I can disengage it (and Dana 44 is stronger). Either way though it’s way better than open diffs that I use for the first year
@@joerouth6255 let me know how the front Truetrac handles off-road.
I did the opposite because I have a Dana 30 Hp front and didn't want to grenade it with a full lock locker. I like the idea of the front diff having a little play/buffer.
My rear axle is much stronger and is getting a selectable OX.
Figured this setup would have the best overall road manners and least tire wear as well.
Seems like a torsen in the front allows you to ride the brake a bit to get the grip tire to turn if the other is airborne.
@2s1 I agree I’m gonna stick with dana30 so truetrac seems less prone to break things. I’m just trying to decided now between arb locker or e locker for rear. E locker is cheaper which is nice but all my friends swear by arbs. Guy at shop tells me Detroit e locker is better than factory rubi Locker so I might go with E
Great video. Really leaning toward a true trac for my 2wd truck. Seems like a good compromise of price and capability.
I think that’s a great option. Did you check out my other video on the snow demonstrating the Truetrac?
@@4x2WagonFamily yes I did you have some great coverage on this setup
Great unit. Just installed one last week. Traction is immediate. Feels like a locker back there without the crabbing around corners.
@@boorion4468 I just got one installed finally 2 days ago. Can't wait to take it to the trails and try it out
What we need is a air or electronic locked torsen like Jeep tru-lok. I am designing one based on Eaton Truetrac and Elocker and ARB airlocker.
That sounds very complicated. You must be an engineer?
@@4x2WagonFamily I am a technical product designer.
@@Martin-xb2rz are you with Eaton?
@@4x2WagonFamily I am planning a system what works like tru-lok from stelantis but based on ARB or Eaton system. Both are good.
@@Martin-xb2rz any information on this product? Would be interested in it once it's revealed to the public.
Do the true tracs cause the tires to chirp when cornering???
I currenty have the yukon and grizzly locker that is supposed to unlock around corners too but its chirping bad and burning through my tires.
No, zero chirping. Never had an issue of it binding.
@@4x2WagonFamilyNo excessive tire wear either? My drivetrain guy is telling me that the true tracs lock up like the Grizzley's around conrners and causes the tires to bind slightly and wear way faster. Hes saying i should go with an eaton electric locker instead which im sure would be best but might be a little overkill and am just trying to figure out the best route. Im running 37's and 4.88 in a gm 10 bolt
heres my conclusion on this an alltrack + turning brakes = dynamic locker.
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Nicely done, I'm in!
Step on the brake while accelerating and it will lock.
I just put an Eaton Tru Trac on my jeep when i installed 5.13 gears this weekend. Does the ESP and ESC controls kick on before the tru trac. I did wire the a cut off switch to manually turn it off. Just curious. Thanks!
Congrats I think you’ll love it. I’m not sure about ESP or ESC.. When I engage my 4x4 mode I usually turn off all traction control settings so that I’m not fighting the system:)
@@4x2WagonFamily So far so good. It’s a huge difference over the stock 3.21 with the open diff. I will have to play with it after the break in period and report back. Great video.
Jeep owner here with the True Trac. I find the traction control kicks on way less with the unit due to the extra traction. Great unit.
@@boorion4468 Awesome to know and thanks for the info. I am a middle aged man who is pretty level headed but the kid in me wants to test it out and try to do some donuts "for old times sake". 😂
I put 513 gears and the truetrac in my 2003 Chevy Avalanche. It's a world of difference. Not just the gears of course they're fun. The Truetrac it does work
I've got a 2022 Ram with the anti spin diff when I jack up both sides of the rear and turn one wheel forward other sides turns in reverse is this normal
@@michaelfrank6696 yes every solid axle with open differential does this untill it is locked hence the name (locker).
@@4x2WagonFamily it doesn't have a locker just the anti spin is this normal for the anti spin also
@@michaelfrank6696 yes
I wanted to put the truetrac on my Jeep jku sport is it better than air lockers ?
No but much cheaper and no maintenance
Really good video you convince me
Open diff would have done the same thing
I ran Detroit true Trac on a 2 wheel drive 96 f150 in the mountains and snow in Utah. Never got stuck and never slipped a tire. It was fantastic. See my channel
I also live in Utah and I'm getting my rear end rebuilt in 2 weeks at Axis Driveline in North Salt Lake. They are putting in Yukon 4.10 gears (already have 4.10's but rear end is howling) and Eaton TrueTrac. I'm excited because my Z71 usually needs 4x4 to pull my boat out of the lake on a wet ramp. It will be nice to be able to get more traction instead of just spinning the right rear tire. Also on wet roads trying to climb a steep hill I have to baby the throttle or else the right rear just spins.
To my mind, these Trutrac are absolutely useless for 4x4 application.
If you are having to drive hard to get up a rock or steep Incline. You don't want to be stopping to apply the hand brake or foot brake as soon as one wheel comes up in the air.
An E locker would be far better in the rear.
Or a Torson
What happens if you turn the engine off, with it in park, or leave it in gear, lift both rear tires off the ground, and try to spin one rear tire by hand?
What happens when you lift both rear tires, in park, with the engine off, and then you try to spin one tire? What do you expect the true trac will do?
well ill be DIPPED
Hand break loads rear more.
Oh and BTW great video!
2.00 min Torsen design = Tru Trac
First . Haha
wait, an ice-cream truck drove by and you didn't get any ice-cream???? You have way more self control then I do lol