As a Coyotes fan and just hockey fan in general I love Shannon's respect but still honesty about the Coyotes. That's why Shannon's the best hockey commentator on RUclips
As a Yotes fan I'm optimistic. The future looks good. Plus I'm very happy I have been fortunate enough to see them play in the Mullet. That's an amazing experience.
Wild fan here, I love the Coyotes they're the only other team I root for in the west and really hope to see them win a cup one day it'd be the coolest thing ever
Avs fan here, I agree. I kinda view the yotes as my "little brother" franchise. Yeah they're goofy and can get up to some dumb shit but I love them anyway and hope they can live up to the potential I see in them.
Arizona is an easy team to sympathize with. They rarely have dirty players and don’t really have a rival. I found myself rooting for them a bit when I was stationed in Tucson.
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Hey that’s awesome! I’m a Tucson native and we love our roadrunners, lol. Used to live in Phx for a few years and went to games at Gila River. Haven’t been to the Mullett yet, but definitely plan on it. Thanks for your service! I like hanging out by the airport to see the f-35s and f-22s go in and out of DM. Such sexy looking airframes.
As a longtime Blues fan, that 1999 1st round series is still the most exciting playoff series I've ever seen. Had the Yotes stayed competitive, I don't doubt we'd have become legitimate rivals
Armstrong was the scouting director for the Blues, and he brought on Ryan Jankowski and Darryl Plandowski. Plandowski bringing experience from Tampa Bay Lightning, and Jankowski from Buffalo Sabres and Team Canada... the pool of Talent getting much deeper after the disastrous year where we selected Miller...
Most people who comment on the off-ice issues over simplify incredibly complex problems. I’ve been with this team for quite some time, and us fans have been through a lot to say the least. That being said, I actually have faith in GMBA and Tourigny. There’s a real direction now, there’s been incremental improvements, and moves being made actually make sense now. I really hope ownership learned their lesson after that arena vote debacle. The arena NEEDS to be built, like yesterday.
Most people don't realize just how awful the ownership situation was from 2001-2019. Basically saddled the team with an impossible amount of debt then kept cycling through owners that didn't have NHL owner money
@@lava172 That falls squarely on the NHL's (and by extension Bettman's) shoulders for not even bothering to have a damn vetting process. He was so fanatically obsessed with keeping them in Arizona/away from Canada, that he let any fool who wanted the team to buy it. I don't believe for a second that MIA cheapskate Meruelo is any different.
@@lava172As a former STH from 2005 until 2018, I didn't really - REALLY - realize what a clown show our ownership and management were until Bill Armstrong came in and took charge of the franchise. Having a real GM who knows what he's doing truly put it into perspective of how borderline criminal the malfeasance and mismanagement of Gretzky/Barnett and IceArizona/Maloney/Chayka was. But that context and nuance is lost outside of the state lines, sadly for us.
I’ve been a Coyotes fan for quite a while. What has struck me about the franchise is, once it moved to Glendale it was more about making just making the playoffs so they can get that extra revenue. It never really felt like they were building a cup contending team. They had the stability of Shane Doan, but never had that super star, that generational player that you can build a franchise around. But this is the first time I have felt the rebuild is going to work. We have an owner that is willing to lose money in the short term to build a team that will actually be a cup contender. You have a coach that is setting a solid foundation, tons of draft picks, plenty of cap space, and a city that people want to vacation in. All it really needs is an Arena in a solid location and you will see the underdogs start to be one of the top dogs.
My sister and I recently got into hockey and we randomly chose the Yotes to be our team. As we watched we realized this is a gritty team with a super bright future and with the breakdown in this video it gives me even more confidence that I made the right choice. Thanks for the breakdown keep em coming!!
The Yotes are one my secondary teams I cheer being a Utahn, and I LOVE their roster moves lately. I do hope they stay (assuming they don't come to SLC), and they could be the ultimate underdog story. Arizona can have a good fanbase. Vegas proved desert hockey works, and Arizona got close a few times but through consecutively poor ownership tenures they've never been able to capture the momentum. One thing that made Vegas so popular too was the lack of local competition, now Arizona is home to an NFL, but they've been sucking for a century, and Suns... well okay they're actually pretty good but my point stands. Arizona, with the size of their population, should not be a harder market than Los Angeles. By the 2030s we will have an award-winning documentary analyzing the Coyotes, it will either be about how much they failed or how they pulled off one of the greatest underdog stories in sports.
I think a lot of people just look at the obvious stuff and hold onto a "lol, hockey in a hot place" attitude that keeps them from judging the Coyotes objectively. A lot of the struggles their facing aren't the team's fault, and I can't harbor such negativity when I live in the state and I want people here to have a hockey team.
I mean I want the Coyotes to do better it's just, fuck Bettman. It being in a hot place only really is a consideration to me because of the environment. Which feels a little hypocritical since all the arenas have pretty big energy costs.
It really feels like things are looking up, especially with the news of the team potentially purchasing land in Mesa. Looking forward to watching the boys play when I'm back from my deployment.
My girlfriend is from Arizona and she's a diehard Coyotes fan, we're both really hoping they don't relocate so we can go see a Coyotes vs Islanders game
Last year they played the least home games of anyone for most of the season. They were better than their placing was had they had as much balance with home and away games as the rest of the league.
AZ has quietly built a very good team. Now, get a damn quality Arena to showcase the talent! Also, get rid of the Kachina doll emblem and get back to the red and sand colors with a Fiesta looking coyote emblem!
I’ve been a coyotes fan for over 12 years it has been a rough time to watch especially when the arena hasn’t been built but with this team this year I can definitely see a improvement from last year I love how this team looks on paper time to see what they can do on the ice through the bad and the good go yotes
Haven’t we been saying that for the last decade? They traded one of the best defensemen in the NHL and signed Zucker/Dumba. Cooley is a rookie, he likely won’t move the needle much. How has Arizona changed up their roster enough to go from 7th to 3rd?
@@mjp2766 i’ve never seen anyone in the last decade say the coyotes were good. for me i just think the whole central aside from Dallas and Colorado have gotten worse and the coyotes have gotta a lot better full season of Keller-Hayton-Schmaltz line, the kids Maccelli Cooley Guenther, depth additions like Zucker and Kerfoot and Bjugstad. the top 9 is dangerous. i also think arizona is a place where valimaki dumba and durzi can thrive as two way d men, and progress of soderstrom and kesselring will help. 3rd is a bold prediction, and i would not be all that surprised if they got 7th again. but with the uncertainty in Winnipeg, cap issues in minnesota, falling back of blues and predators, why not the yotes in the playoffs?
@@ryguy6577The Yotes went to the conference finals in 2012, there were absolutely people on '13/'14 saying they could make some noise. Yeah, it's been a decade since then but it's still within the decade for now.
That home ice advantage though... Small crowds are easier to play in front of and can feel like their on top of you if you're visiting. It sucks they've been in this situation for what seems like eternity but I think Mullett Arena is kinda cool for what it is.
You made a slight mistake Shannon. Rockies GM Billy MacMillan actually traded Lanny for his brother Bob MacMillan. I remember because they're both from here in PEI
The dead money on the cap, do Voracek, Little and Weber have to show up to training camp? Are they allowed to partake in all team activities if they want? When Hossa was with the Coyotes on their books, did he have to go to training camp?
im pretty sure hossa and the other (not) retired players had to show up at the beginning and at the end of the season for a medical eval to confirm their unable to play status, but that was it
From an overall situation, I don't understand how the team playing in an arena that small, even at capacity, unless they are charging an obscene amount of money they just can't be making money to sign players. I know the league has their revenue sharing but if you are the owners, why would you keep funding this?
@@philtorrez4198also worth noting that the revenue sharing among the owners in the NHL isn’t based based on losses, so they could play in an empty 18,000 seat arena (aka Glendale) or at 5,000 Mullet, and the revenue share from the league is exactly the same. *AND* on top of that, the revenue share is required to go to a certain number of teams (I think 8 - don’t quote me on that though), so if the Coyotes somehow came into a pot of proverbial gold, the owners would still be writing checks to poverty franchises. But instead of Arizona it would be Winnipeg, Ottawa, Calgary, or one of the other lower revenue franchises. But bottom line, the owners are on the hook for that revenue share regardless. The fact that it’s Arizona on the receiving end is inconsequential to those writing the checks.
The tickets are very expensive and their merchandising department is producing a wide variety of products aimed at the younger crowd. I love going to Yotes games, but my wallet limits the games I go see.
Phoenix is one of America's quickest growing areas, and the Arizona hockey development programs are substantial. The team also fund school programs, and work with community groups. Their market impact goes way beyond the team (thank our development programs specifically for Auston Matthews, as a start) so it barely even matters if the team are good or directly profitable. Tonnes of organisations have highly unprofitable branch offices that exist solely to be in developing markets. As long as Meruelo group can actually find some ground to break this time, the team's going nowhere.
@@jamescole7197 I get Phoenix is the 12th biggest tv market or population base ( I forget which one it is) but I do wonder how long they can play in a small arena until they have the new one built (be a few years at least at this stage when you consider building, contractors, permits, inspections etc). The team on the ice is improving and I hope they can break the glass ceiling they seem to get to without breaking through to win the cup. I'm just thinking that other teams have moved for having "small attendance" in comparison to other NHL markets. Yes the difference is they are purposefully playing in a small arena instead of it being 40% or less capacity.
My reaction was apparently the opposite of most people's. I was surprised you ranked Arizona that low, and Vancouver that high. So apparently I value current team quality lower than y'all. I think an organization can be great despite being in a rebuild as long as it's playing its card right - which Arizona is. Meanwhile Vancouver is a so/so team that keeps fighting to remain mediocre, never giving itself a chance to break down, invest in the future and then excel. So I'd rank Vancouver as a bottom 3 organization myself.
In all honesty when before Bill Armstrong did they have an actual General Manager? I mean biggest oops in Coyote history was hiring Chayka. That Guts has to be up their with the worst in the NHL. Thanks for being fair Shannon.
been a coyotes fan since opening night .. america west arena - season 1 - sept. 26 , 1996 - it looks like rainbows and unicorns for the coyotes on your white board , what they are doing" looks like it might work "... nice you are talking us up , with the warm and fuzzy talk .. then ,," if arizona gets a building in place in 2026 ".. the coyotes have a contract to play in ASU college arena for 2 more years .. there is a venue here in phoenix , Veterans memorial coliseum that was , our home ice for the phx. roadrunners for years ,, approx. 15,000 seating capacity ,, yes it will need the standard upgrades to work , it still hosts events and the state fair ,, more than adequate size . 60 acres , vs the 45 acres that was in glendale ,and .the smaller 41 acres in mesa , it is centrally located for the entire valley , the infrastructure is already there , including parking .. . and the nuts and bolts are in place , perfect fit ... and would bring in revenue and jobs downtown . only problem is = faux hockey man owner meruelo wants to build an entertainment center , with botique shops expensive restaurants , luxury apartments , casino and , oh by the way ,,a hockey arena .. likely why he will not agree to anything less than open land miles out of town . as vet's coliseum is in an older blue collar neighborhood , and not doable for the meruelo empire entertainment complex . i've asked many folks about the site , but no one is talking about it , or speaking about why it would or wouldn't work , other than it won't work for meruelo .
The Mad House on McDowell has seen better days. The State owns it and the land as well. Ticket revenue doesn't go to the team. The Coyotes already looked at it and passed. They could have been playing there already, they had the time and money to do it. No luxury boxes, no modern amenities. No ice plant to make an ice rink. The building would need 20 million in upgrades just to use it. No.
I'm a ducks fan so I have sympathy for the yotes and their struggles lol. Hope to see both our teams start putting pieces together and rising in the standings. It'll make the western conference a lot more interesting
9 picks two years in a row. P-O Joseph was the best. I’m sorry but that’s terrible. They have a decent set of prospects overall. They don’t have an arena. They have been 100% supported by Gary and the “league(maybe)” for years. Profit sharing and clearly being the place where dead contracts go to die instead of making teams eat their crow. It’s disappointment over and over. In terms of Hill. A lot of goalies look really good at this level on a team with a decent system and players that buy into it(Vegas). Steve dangle says it best about draft picks. They are magic beans. There is no guarantee not even a 50/50.
FWIW most of the bad decisions were made under Chayka, Bill Armstrong seems to be doing much better so far. Only good thing Chayka did was bet on Keller early and sign him long term
Let's not forget that this rebuild, resurgence in management and general manager, (Bill Armstrong) all are within the last few years. The horrible general manager we had in John Chayka didn't do the coyotes any favors prior to this.
Text book rebuild. How it is supposed to be drawn out. Insulate young guys with a competitive team. Good for developement. Even good players in the minors developing with good competition. Back to the Wild West. No easy points in the league this year. Maybe I will be right this year and say there is more parity.
Love your content. Watch all the videos. What are they going for? Not to be an embarrassment of a professional franchise? This experiment goes back to 1996 as I learned from this channel. How about we try another market? I disagree it's being negative. Obviously for the owner it's a tax write off. 2026 is more than 2 years away and what other road blocks are going to impede that plan?
Right? Like literally almost every other franchise has had more success, many of them vastly more, since the Coyotes began playing in AZ. The experiment has failed and it's long past time to move on.
I admire THG’s positivity when it comes to his analysis on this and everything else, but I just don’t see it. -The Coyotes don’t have a single active defenseman signed past this season -Every single free agent they got was just a one year deal and you need veteran presence on a young team -They brought in a dead money contract as recently as last season and they still have significant cap space dedicated to those contracts -Their local brand is in the sewer after being outright rejected for an arena that would be entirely privately funded -Their owner is just another in a long string of con artists that have owned the franchise since moving from Winnipeg I don’t want hockey to fail in Phoenix but I have a hard time believing that the Coyotes are the team to do it.
Agreed. There are 20 plus years of utter failure as a franchise in all areas to back up what you're saying. Could things get better and they succeed? Sure, technically anything is possible but team history says otherwise.
-true none D are signed beyond this year but 4 are RFA/ELC only dumba/stecher/brown are UFA (last 2 are 6/7 D) -kerfoot, bjugstad were 2 years, zucker, dumba 1 - AZ is not going to sign 30yo's to long term deals -they have 4m in real cap and 25m if LTIR, so what! prolly 25 GMs would love any cap help. 2 of 3 dead hits go away next summer -the no campaign lied their arses off, outside unions spent crazy against, and yotes didnt read the obstacles well -yeah the teams problems has been awfuls owners since forever but current owner seems very different
You frustrate me at times as a Coyotes fan. You were pretty consistently balanced since I started watching you in 2018, heel turned the day of the vote and fear mongered about them moving, and now are going back to being more balanced.
I'm just gonna say this right now, because it needs to be said once and for all: Moving the Coyotes to Quebec would **NOT** magically make them into a good team like people think.
When your owner only cares about using the team to get a casino built, there is always going to cheap out on the on-ice product. They can have all the prospects and hope you want. When the bill comes due, and owner doesn't want to play. They are just going continue being middling.
I'd love for this franchise to succeed, but until they show any competency on the ice I just can't get behind them. Shannon you always talk about their prospects and young players, and how they are purposefully in a rebuild, but they have been out of the playoffs (minus 2020, of course) for so long. In the Vancouver video you mentioned how Pettersson has been there for six years and the Canucks have shown little progress. What's different here for a guy like Keller? I'm not implying that Keller wants out, he definitely seems happy there, but how do you have this endless faith in their current rebuild? Yes, they have good young guys and plenty of cap space and whatever else, but when will it translate? 2026-27, so another three years? Geez, that is such a long time. Keller will have spent ten years of his career spinning his wheels. And that's also IF this works out. I don't want to pile on about the arena; it would be an interesting makeshift solution if it were only the one season, but four seasons of NHL players playing in a college arena is crazy. At the end of the day, if the Coyotes ever do figure it out and actually run a successful franchise then I will be happy for them. But despite me liking Bill Armstrong and Andre Tourigny, I can't defend them until they finish the rebuild and actually make some noise in the playoffs.
@@csolivais1979 the point is this is not the first time that I’ve heard about the prospects that they have and “they should be better soon.” I’m not saying that this time it won’t work, but I’m not buying it until I see it.
The Yotes are having a hard enough time as is so why rag on them? They know they suck They know the team.may be moving But for now they rock the shit out of Mullet arena Which probably pulls more fans than some fan bases lol
The Coyotes are a team you either feel sorry for or hate for existing. They at least understand that you need to build through the draft and have a lot of cap space.
Despite the fact I disagree with you completely Shannon, you’ve clearly explained your position. If they stay there I think it’ll be at least 5-7 years before they become competitive and able to really draw players. **edit below** I do watch all teams as well and the coyotes have never drawn my interest. Keller is a fantastic player who they managed to sign (he’s also a huge golfer- and apparently really good at it), and I really like watching the way he sees the ice. After him pickings become pretty slim. Yeah decent players (they are nhl caliber) but just missing a whole bunch to be competitive.
No he wouldn’t. The other owners wouldn’t let him move *ANY* franchise. The next expansion team will likely fetch close to $1B - there ain’t no way other owners are going to take lucrative expansion sites off the map and forgo that kind of (TAX FREE!) money unless there is no other choice.
I've noticed every AZ fan is super excited about the offense, which has some upside TBH, but without fail they'll always gloss over the abysmal defense and subpar goaltending.
@@ElmerFudd16 I get that, (though nonsense is not the sole preserve of Arizona fans!)I love the Coyotes. But I cannot pretend there a well run organisation! 🤕
I believe that there have been many major problems for the coyotes for far too long. The product on the ice has been abysmal while being a salary dump for other teams. Picking Miller, not paying their rent in a professional fashion, being bottom 5 in attendance for over the past decade #s/% (except for last year's % because they are sharing a building with a college team), and the NHL team doesn't get top billing on their home ice. They may have a bright future but, for me, they have been a blight for the NHL, and deserved to be moved to a place that would be better for the fans of hockey.
Arizona is a pitiful franchise and tanks profits for the NHL. No reason to sugarcoat it, they have been abysmal nearly every year since entering the league. They should be 32/32 regarding organizations. Arizona is 32/32 for attendance, fan support, revenue, 27/32 for points, and rank in the bottom 10 for pretty much anything else. They’ve been picking in the top 10 for forever and have nothing to show for it. Just because Arizona has a ton of prospects doesn’t mean they’ll even sniff the playoffs in the next few years.
Correct, and add to it all of the ridiculous shenanigans between the arena debacle, their recent draft forfeitures, drafting Mitchell Miller despite KNOWING about his background of bullying a disabled kid in high school, new ownerships outright obvious plan to use modern day sleazy business tactics to pump and dump the team from day one, and they're not just the worst organization in the nhl, they're the worst organization in north america sports. I'm sure there's more that I missed. This is not the hill to die on Shannon.
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As a Coyotes fan and just hockey fan in general I love Shannon's respect but still honesty about the Coyotes. That's why Shannon's the best hockey commentator on RUclips
You do realize you are now legally obliged to give us depth videos on each teams management after these few vids? :D so good...
Too bad he didn’t start doing this as a summer video theme. That said, there might still be time before the preseason starts.
As a Yotes fan I'm optimistic. The future looks good. Plus I'm very happy I have been fortunate enough to see them play in the Mullet. That's an amazing experience.
It is! The Yotes are going to get stronger in the next couple years. When the arena gets squared away next year it will be a lot better.
@@subzero9113 Just like the Tempe arena was gonna be squared away by now?
It’s simple. You fear the space coyote. As we all do.
The Space Coyote is the newfound symbol of the Death Cult of Meruelo. Such fear is understandable...
Oh yeah. Them space 'yotes'll getcha. They're the whole reason chickens stopped flying!
Or he’s a furry and he dresses up as a Coyote 🤷🏼♂️
@@EpilepticBobtelling us a lot about yourself here huh
Oh yeah..
Wild fan here, I love the Coyotes they're the only other team I root for in the west and really hope to see them win a cup one day it'd be the coolest thing ever
Avs fan here, I agree.
I kinda view the yotes as my "little brother" franchise. Yeah they're goofy and can get up to some dumb shit but I love them anyway and hope they can live up to the potential I see in them.
Arizona is an easy team to sympathize with. They rarely have dirty players and don’t really have a rival. I found myself rooting for them a bit when I was stationed in Tucson.
Were you at DM? Ever go to Roadrunners games?
@@philtorrez4198 Yes sir, went to a few Roadrunners games and got to see the Coyotes at Gila River once.
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Hey that’s awesome! I’m a Tucson native and we love our roadrunners, lol. Used to live in Phx for a few years and went to games at Gila River. Haven’t been to the Mullett yet, but definitely plan on it. Thanks for your service! I like hanging out by the airport to see the f-35s and f-22s go in and out of DM. Such sexy looking airframes.
@@philtorrez4198 Thank you for your support! The A-10s really grew on me down there. Pretty cool to see every day.
As a longtime Blues fan, that 1999 1st round series is still the most exciting playoff series I've ever seen. Had the Yotes stayed competitive, I don't doubt we'd have become legitimate rivals
GM Bill Armstrong is going to show that he’s one of the very best in the league going forward. He was great at running scouting for the Blues.
Armstrong was the scouting director for the Blues, and he brought on Ryan Jankowski and Darryl Plandowski. Plandowski bringing experience from Tampa Bay Lightning, and Jankowski from Buffalo Sabres and Team Canada... the pool of Talent getting much deeper after the disastrous year where we selected Miller...
Most people who comment on the off-ice issues over simplify incredibly complex problems. I’ve been with this team for quite some time, and us fans have been through a lot to say the least. That being said, I actually have faith in GMBA and Tourigny. There’s a real direction now, there’s been incremental improvements, and moves being made actually make sense now. I really hope ownership learned their lesson after that arena vote debacle. The arena NEEDS to be built, like yesterday.
Most people don't realize just how awful the ownership situation was from 2001-2019. Basically saddled the team with an impossible amount of debt then kept cycling through owners that didn't have NHL owner money
The Oilers and Yotes had fantastic games last season.
@@lava172 That falls squarely on the NHL's (and by extension Bettman's) shoulders for not even bothering to have a damn vetting process. He was so fanatically obsessed with keeping them in Arizona/away from Canada, that he let any fool who wanted the team to buy it. I don't believe for a second that MIA cheapskate Meruelo is any different.
@@lava172As a former STH from 2005 until 2018, I didn't really - REALLY - realize what a clown show our ownership and management were until Bill Armstrong came in and took charge of the franchise. Having a real GM who knows what he's doing truly put it into perspective of how borderline criminal the malfeasance and mismanagement of Gretzky/Barnett and IceArizona/Maloney/Chayka was. But that context and nuance is lost outside of the state lines, sadly for us.
I've been trying to get people to understand how good the future of the Yotes is gonna be, thanks for breaking it down so well
They won't even be the Coyotes in the near future....
Honestly, they are starting to scare me. Unlike some losers, I hope they stay in Arizona
@@OnlyEternalRain Cope harder
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In Houston…..
I’ve been a Coyotes fan for quite a while. What has struck me about the franchise is, once it moved to Glendale it was more about making just making the playoffs so they can get that extra revenue. It never really felt like they were building a cup contending team. They had the stability of Shane Doan, but never had that super star, that generational player that you can build a franchise around. But this is the first time I have felt the rebuild is going to work. We have an owner that is willing to lose money in the short term to build a team that will actually be a cup contender. You have a coach that is setting a solid foundation, tons of draft picks, plenty of cap space, and a city that people want to vacation in. All it really needs is an Arena in a solid location and you will see the underdogs start to be one of the top dogs.
My sister and I recently got into hockey and we randomly chose the Yotes to be our team. As we watched we realized this is a gritty team with a super bright future and with the breakdown in this video it gives me even more confidence that I made the right choice. Thanks for the breakdown keep em coming!!
The Yotes are one my secondary teams I cheer being a Utahn, and I LOVE their roster moves lately. I do hope they stay (assuming they don't come to SLC), and they could be the ultimate underdog story. Arizona can have a good fanbase. Vegas proved desert hockey works, and Arizona got close a few times but through consecutively poor ownership tenures they've never been able to capture the momentum. One thing that made Vegas so popular too was the lack of local competition, now Arizona is home to an NFL, but they've been sucking for a century, and Suns... well okay they're actually pretty good but my point stands. Arizona, with the size of their population, should not be a harder market than Los Angeles. By the 2030s we will have an award-winning documentary analyzing the Coyotes, it will either be about how much they failed or how they pulled off one of the greatest underdog stories in sports.
I think a lot of people just look at the obvious stuff and hold onto a "lol, hockey in a hot place" attitude that keeps them from judging the Coyotes objectively. A lot of the struggles their facing aren't the team's fault, and I can't harbor such negativity when I live in the state and I want people here to have a hockey team.
I mean I want the Coyotes to do better it's just, fuck Bettman. It being in a hot place only really is a consideration to me because of the environment. Which feels a little hypocritical since all the arenas have pretty big energy costs.
Congrats on 289k!
Gotta say, if that second line of young guns comes through as expected, that's a damn good forward group
I too am looking forward to a better future for the Coyotes as Bob the Builder is putting together a team with skill and size.
Yotes should target Petterson this off-season if he wants out same age as Keller move Cooley to the wing that’d be a lethal first line for many years
This is a direct response to my last comment. Maybe not mine in particular, but it answers what I asked either way. Great video.
Just bought my first tickets for the year: Arizona @ Buffalo
The game they went to was Australian Rules football...It's not Rugby under any circumstances
Good draft picks need time to fully develop. They aren’t like Bedard or Curry, they are automatically goated their first year in
The Colorado buffalos of the nhl always rooting for Arizona as a Wild fan
I guess they need their prime time then huh
As always a very astute breakdown Shannon; always appreciate the effort
Optimistic..good analogy
It really feels like things are looking up, especially with the news of the team potentially purchasing land in Mesa. Looking forward to watching the boys play when I'm back from my deployment.
My girlfriend is from Arizona and she's a diehard Coyotes fan, we're both really hoping they don't relocate so we can go see a Coyotes vs Islanders game
Hockey season is creeping up!!! Im getting giddy
as a sens fan I can relate to shitty ownership and a lot of things people say about the team, hoping for a bright future for the yotes
Appreciate the unbiased coverage, Shannon. Thanks for ignoring the hater clowns. 🤡🤡🤡
Last year they played the least home games of anyone for most of the season.
They were better than their placing was had they had as much balance with home and away games as the rest of the league.
They were historically bad on the road. There's no reason or excuse for that other than they couldn't win away from Mullett.
AZ has quietly built a very good team. Now, get a damn quality Arena to showcase the talent! Also, get rid of the Kachina doll emblem and get back to the red and sand colors with a Fiesta looking coyote emblem!
I look forward to a "what doesn't impact the Leafs?" video.
Good videos Shannon.
You do work very hard at this.
I’ve been a coyotes fan for over 12 years it has been a rough time to watch especially when the arena hasn’t been built but with this team this year I can definitely see a improvement from last year I love how this team looks on paper time to see what they can do on the ice through the bad and the good go yotes
Adin Hill would have been exposed in the expansion draft which is why he was traded. Would have lost him for nothing.
I just want the Coyotes to succeed, so they continue to piss off the people that don't want hockey in the desert.
i could see the coyotes finishing third in the central THIS SEASON if the goaltending holds up alright
Haven’t we been saying that for the last decade? They traded one of the best defensemen in the NHL and signed Zucker/Dumba. Cooley is a rookie, he likely won’t move the needle much. How has Arizona changed up their roster enough to go from 7th to 3rd?
@@mjp2766 i’ve never seen anyone in the last decade say the coyotes were good.
for me i just think the whole central aside from Dallas and Colorado have gotten worse and the coyotes have gotta a lot better
full season of Keller-Hayton-Schmaltz line, the kids Maccelli Cooley Guenther, depth additions like Zucker and Kerfoot and Bjugstad. the top 9 is dangerous. i also think arizona is a place where valimaki dumba and durzi can thrive as two way d men, and progress of soderstrom and kesselring will help.
3rd is a bold prediction, and i would not be all that surprised if they got 7th again. but with the uncertainty in Winnipeg, cap issues in minnesota, falling back of blues and predators,
why not the yotes in the playoffs?
@@ryguy6577 because they haven’t gotten any better either and finished 25 points out of a playoff spot?
@@ryguy6577The Yotes went to the conference finals in 2012, there were absolutely people on '13/'14 saying they could make some noise. Yeah, it's been a decade since then but it's still within the decade for now.
@@mjp2766 they have gotten miles better.
With the NCAA and WJC Cooley had a slower start then exploded. Don’t be surprised if he has a slower start and then pops off
The yotes are on the upswing fs
Gunning for 25th overall!
The Coyotes are going to win a cup around 2030. They're building toward a very dangerous team and I think theyll be at that level soon
That home ice advantage though... Small crowds are easier to play in front of and can feel like their on top of you if you're visiting. It sucks they've been in this situation for what seems like eternity but I think Mullett Arena is kinda cool for what it is.
If they had a home fan presence it would be cool, but it's always 80% road fans...
It’s a perpetual disadvantage, you play on the road at home
@@humblelad Clearly it's not though. They had a winning record at home.
I miss the Veggie & Wedgie goalie tandem
You made a slight mistake Shannon. Rockies GM Billy MacMillan actually traded Lanny for his brother Bob MacMillan. I remember because they're both from here in PEI
The dead money on the cap, do Voracek, Little and Weber have to show up to training camp? Are they allowed to partake in all team activities if they want? When Hossa was with the Coyotes on their books, did he have to go to training camp?
im pretty sure hossa and the other (not) retired players had to show up at the beginning and at the end of the season for a medical eval to confirm their unable to play status, but that was it
Oh hey, it's my team.
From an overall situation, I don't understand how the team playing in an arena that small, even at capacity, unless they are charging an obscene amount of money they just can't be making money to sign players. I know the league has their revenue sharing but if you are the owners, why would you keep funding this?
They’re actually making more money at the Mullett than they were at Gila River. So whatever they’re doing is working.
@@philtorrez4198also worth noting that the revenue sharing among the owners in the NHL isn’t based based on losses, so they could play in an empty 18,000 seat arena (aka Glendale) or at 5,000 Mullet, and the revenue share from the league is exactly the same. *AND* on top of that, the revenue share is required to go to a certain number of teams (I think 8 - don’t quote me on that though), so if the Coyotes somehow came into a pot of proverbial gold, the owners would still be writing checks to poverty franchises. But instead of Arizona it would be Winnipeg, Ottawa, Calgary, or one of the other lower revenue franchises. But bottom line, the owners are on the hook for that revenue share regardless. The fact that it’s Arizona on the receiving end is inconsequential to those writing the checks.
The tickets are very expensive and their merchandising department is producing a wide variety of products aimed at the younger crowd. I love going to Yotes games, but my wallet limits the games I go see.
Phoenix is one of America's quickest growing areas, and the Arizona hockey development programs are substantial. The team also fund school programs, and work with community groups. Their market impact goes way beyond the team (thank our development programs specifically for Auston Matthews, as a start) so it barely even matters if the team are good or directly profitable. Tonnes of organisations have highly unprofitable branch offices that exist solely to be in developing markets. As long as Meruelo group can actually find some ground to break this time, the team's going nowhere.
@@jamescole7197 I get Phoenix is the 12th biggest tv market or population base ( I forget which one it is) but I do wonder how long they can play in a small arena until they have the new one built (be a few years at least at this stage when you consider building, contractors, permits, inspections etc). The team on the ice is improving and I hope they can break the glass ceiling they seem to get to without breaking through to win the cup. I'm just thinking that other teams have moved for having "small attendance" in comparison to other NHL markets. Yes the difference is they are purposefully playing in a small arena instead of it being 40% or less capacity.
My reaction was apparently the opposite of most people's. I was surprised you ranked Arizona that low, and Vancouver that high. So apparently I value current team quality lower than y'all.
I think an organization can be great despite being in a rebuild as long as it's playing its card right - which Arizona is.
Meanwhile Vancouver is a so/so team that keeps fighting to remain mediocre, never giving itself a chance to break down, invest in the future and then excel.
So I'd rank Vancouver as a bottom 3 organization myself.
Tempe: 1 Glendale: 0
In all honesty when before Bill Armstrong did they have an actual General Manager? I mean biggest oops in Coyote history was hiring Chayka. That Guts has to be up their with the worst in the NHL. Thanks for being fair Shannon.
been a coyotes fan since opening night ..
america west arena - season 1 - sept. 26 , 1996 -
it looks like rainbows and unicorns for the coyotes on your white board ,
what they are doing" looks like it might work "...
nice you are talking us up , with the warm and fuzzy talk ..
then ,," if arizona gets a building in place in 2026 "..
the coyotes have a contract to play in ASU college arena for 2 more years ..
there is a venue here in phoenix ,
Veterans memorial coliseum that was , our home ice for the phx. roadrunners for years ,,
approx. 15,000 seating capacity ,, yes it will need the standard upgrades to work ,
it still hosts events and the state fair ,, more than adequate size .
60 acres , vs the 45 acres that was in glendale ,and .the smaller 41 acres in mesa ,
it is centrally located for the entire valley , the infrastructure is already there , including parking ..
. and the nuts and bolts are in place , perfect fit ... and would bring in revenue and jobs downtown .
only problem is = faux hockey man owner meruelo wants to build an entertainment center , with botique shops expensive restaurants , luxury apartments , casino and , oh by the way ,,a hockey arena ..
likely why he will not agree to anything less than open land miles out of town .
as vet's coliseum is in an older blue collar neighborhood ,
and not doable for the meruelo empire entertainment complex .
i've asked many folks about the site , but no one is talking about it ,
or speaking about why it would or wouldn't work , other than it won't work for meruelo .
The Mad House on McDowell has seen better days. The State owns it and the land as well. Ticket revenue doesn't go to the team. The Coyotes already looked at it and passed. They could have been playing there already, they had the time and money to do it. No luxury boxes, no modern amenities. No ice plant to make an ice rink. The building would need 20 million in upgrades just to use it. No.
I like how Arizona draft
Are we doing this per team?
Go Tucson Roadrunners
I'm liking what Arizona is doing. Been rooting for them since 2012. I would love to see you do a video like this about the Rangers.
I'm a ducks fan so I have sympathy for the yotes and their struggles lol. Hope to see both our teams start putting pieces together and rising in the standings. It'll make the western conference a lot more interesting
That is a really nice jersey I gotta say.
why does thg hate the islanders
Bullish on the Yotes here too!
9 picks two years in a row.
P-O Joseph was the best.
I’m sorry but that’s terrible.
They have a decent set of prospects overall.
They don’t have an arena.
They have been 100% supported by Gary and the “league(maybe)” for years. Profit sharing and clearly being the place where dead contracts go to die instead of making teams eat their crow.
It’s disappointment over and over.
In terms of Hill. A lot of goalies look really good at this level on a team with a decent system and players that buy into it(Vegas).
Steve dangle says it best about draft picks.
They are magic beans. There is no guarantee not even a 50/50.
FWIW most of the bad decisions were made under Chayka, Bill Armstrong seems to be doing much better so far. Only good thing Chayka did was bet on Keller early and sign him long term
What has Armstrong done exactly? The team is no closer to being competitive and lost their arena.
@@ElmerFudd16 acquired tons of draft capital which is what a team like them needs, and losing the arena has nothing to do w Armstrong 😂
@@shanielcabral Cool. Is he actually gonna try and build a serious team in the future, or just let them screw around like every year in the past?
@@ElmerFudd16 idk I haven’t talked to him personally but I don’t think any GM takes a job w the intent of making a team bad 😂
@@shanielcabral I mean he can't make them much worse. Their defense core is a big YIKES and goaltending is above average at best.
Let's not forget that this rebuild, resurgence in management and general manager, (Bill Armstrong) all are within the last few years. The horrible general manager we had in John Chayka didn't do the coyotes any favors prior to this.
Text book rebuild. How it is supposed to be drawn out. Insulate young guys with a competitive team. Good for developement. Even good players in the minors developing with good competition. Back to the Wild West. No easy points in the league this year. Maybe I will be right this year and say there is more parity.
give it 4 years.... New stadium, Austin Mathews, etc. etc.
Delusional
Go Yotes!
Yotes seem to always develop good tendys...I like Keller, Micelli. Cooley will be good as well.
Love your content. Watch all the videos. What are they going for? Not to be an embarrassment of a professional franchise? This experiment goes back to 1996 as I learned from this channel. How about we try another market? I disagree it's being negative. Obviously for the owner it's a tax write off. 2026 is more than 2 years away and what other road blocks are going to impede that plan?
Right? Like literally almost every other franchise has had more success, many of them vastly more, since the Coyotes began playing in AZ. The experiment has failed and it's long past time to move on.
@@ElmerFudd16Time to pack up Vancouver and Buffalo since they're perennial losers too, right?
@@ElmerFudd16 Buy the team, and you can move them.
I admire THG’s positivity when it comes to his analysis on this and everything else, but I just don’t see it.
-The Coyotes don’t have a single active defenseman signed past this season
-Every single free agent they got was just a one year deal and you need veteran presence on a young team
-They brought in a dead money contract as recently as last season and they still have significant cap space dedicated to those contracts
-Their local brand is in the sewer after being outright rejected for an arena that would be entirely privately funded
-Their owner is just another in a long string of con artists that have owned the franchise since moving from Winnipeg
I don’t want hockey to fail in Phoenix but I have a hard time believing that the Coyotes are the team to do it.
Agreed. There are 20 plus years of utter failure as a franchise in all areas to back up what you're saying. Could things get better and they succeed? Sure, technically anything is possible but team history says otherwise.
The only defenseman they have signed for multiple years is...Shea Weber 🤣
-true none D are signed beyond this year but 4 are RFA/ELC only dumba/stecher/brown are UFA (last 2 are 6/7 D)
-kerfoot, bjugstad were 2 years, zucker, dumba 1 - AZ is not going to sign 30yo's to long term deals
-they have 4m in real cap and 25m if LTIR, so what! prolly 25 GMs would love any cap help. 2 of 3 dead hits go away next summer
-the no campaign lied their arses off, outside unions spent crazy against, and yotes didnt read the obstacles well
-yeah the teams problems has been awfuls owners since forever but current owner seems very different
Id see playing in Mullet Arena as a plus. Seems like an awesome atmosphere! Definitely wanna watch a game while they’re still there
You frustrate me at times as a Coyotes fan.
You were pretty consistently balanced since I started watching you in 2018, heel turned the day of the vote and fear mongered about them moving, and now are going back to being more balanced.
I'm just gonna say this right now, because it needs to be said once and for all:
Moving the Coyotes to Quebec would **NOT** magically make them into a good team like people think.
We, the real Coyotes fans, appreciate you.
(Howls with a whimper after a 7-2 blowout loss)
LMAO.
Leaf should sign and trade Nylander to Yotes for two seconds and a third.
Nylander has a 10 team NTC, highly doubt Arizona is one of them
When your owner only cares about using the team to get a casino built, there is always going to cheap out on the on-ice product. They can have all the prospects and hope you want. When the bill comes due, and owner doesn't want to play. They are just going continue being middling.
So many deluded people in here. It's nice to see a voice of reason.
Hi Shannon !!...
wouldn't be surprised if they are better than canucks flames jets
Coyotes not terrible? LMAO! Buttman must've had a conversation with THG.
I'd love for this franchise to succeed, but until they show any competency on the ice I just can't get behind them. Shannon you always talk about their prospects and young players, and how they are purposefully in a rebuild, but they have been out of the playoffs (minus 2020, of course) for so long. In the Vancouver video you mentioned how Pettersson has been there for six years and the Canucks have shown little progress. What's different here for a guy like Keller? I'm not implying that Keller wants out, he definitely seems happy there, but how do you have this endless faith in their current rebuild? Yes, they have good young guys and plenty of cap space and whatever else, but when will it translate? 2026-27, so another three years? Geez, that is such a long time. Keller will have spent ten years of his career spinning his wheels. And that's also IF this works out. I don't want to pile on about the arena; it would be an interesting makeshift solution if it were only the one season, but four seasons of NHL players playing in a college arena is crazy. At the end of the day, if the Coyotes ever do figure it out and actually run a successful franchise then I will be happy for them. But despite me liking Bill Armstrong and Andre Tourigny, I can't defend them until they finish the rebuild and actually make some noise in the playoffs.
No, that's when they hope to cup contenders. But every year now they should start getting better year over year.
@@csolivais1979 the point is this is not the first time that I’ve heard about the prospects that they have and “they should be better soon.” I’m not saying that this time it won’t work, but I’m not buying it until I see it.
Because Alex Meruelo is paying THG.
The Yotes are having a hard enough time as is so why rag on them?
They know they suck
They know the team.may be moving
But for now they rock the shit out of Mullet arena
Which probably pulls more fans than some fan bases lol
Arizona’s arena is over 50% opposing team fans. 5000 for average attendance is dead last in the NHL
@@mjp2766 yet its sold out.
@@sammydee9215 still last in attendance. CHL teams sell out arenas bigger than Mullet. That’s not saying much
@@sammydee9215 "It's still sold out" It damn well better be at that size!
Interesting how most of the errors, are from the Chayka era. Not many in the Armstrong era.
The one intangible is Coach André Tourigny. He’s the one that will bring the best out of his team regardless of adversity.
The Coyotes are a team you either feel sorry for or hate for existing. They at least understand that you need to build through the draft and have a lot of cap space.
I offhandedly thought that they'd be 4th in the Central this season, so it'll be interesting if they rise to the occaison!
In some regard we’re all kind of rooting for them right? Either that or you hate them and want them moved
Despite the fact I disagree with you completely Shannon, you’ve clearly explained your position.
If they stay there I think it’ll be at least 5-7 years before they become competitive and able to really draw players.
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I do watch all teams as well and the coyotes have never drawn my interest. Keller is a fantastic player who they managed to sign (he’s also a huge golfer- and apparently really good at it), and I really like watching the way he sees the ice. After him pickings become pretty slim. Yeah decent players (they are nhl caliber) but just missing a whole bunch to be competitive.
I wish there was a reason to say nice things about the Jets...
the only nice thing about the yotes is that arizona is a US state. if this team was in canada, Gary would have move them to the US in a heartbeat.
No he wouldn’t. The other owners wouldn’t let him move *ANY* franchise. The next expansion team will likely fetch close to $1B - there ain’t no way other owners are going to take lucrative expansion sites off the map and forgo that kind of (TAX FREE!) money unless there is no other choice.
This D is brutal. Dumba is finished. Lost Ghostisphere and Chycryn... they are going to struggle!
I've noticed every AZ fan is super excited about the offense, which has some upside TBH, but without fail they'll always gloss over the abysmal defense and subpar goaltending.
Still doesn't change the fact that they should fold
Coyotes will take a big step this year. 500 hockey just barely missing the playoffs.
Shannon, saying “I think their jerseys are cool” is not a very good reason for thinking they’re going to win “8 cups in a row”.
It is hard to say whom you are more infatuated with, Arizona or Buffalo.....
Oh FFS...
Kicking the Coyotes has always been an easy opinion. As a guy whose followed since there Winnipeg days I figure it's just jealousy. 😉😋😊
Jealous of what exactly?
@@ElmerFudd16 Seeing as we don't understand sarcasm I will close the cash register at this point. 🤔
@@1bert719 Sometimes it's impossible to tell because I've talked to literally dozens of Coyotes fans that say stupid things and are serious...
@@ElmerFudd16 I get that, (though nonsense is not the sole preserve of Arizona fans!)I love the Coyotes. But I cannot pretend there a well run organisation! 🤕
@@1bert719 I appreciate the honesty.
I believe that there have been many major problems for the coyotes for far too long. The product on the ice has been abysmal while being a salary dump for other teams. Picking Miller, not paying their rent in a professional fashion, being bottom 5 in attendance for over the past decade #s/% (except for last year's % because they are sharing a building with a college team), and the NHL team doesn't get top billing on their home ice. They may have a bright future but, for me, they have been a blight for the NHL, and deserved to be moved to a place that would be better for the fans of hockey.
Arizona is a pitiful franchise and tanks profits for the NHL. No reason to sugarcoat it, they have been abysmal nearly every year since entering the league. They should be 32/32 regarding organizations. Arizona is 32/32 for attendance, fan support, revenue, 27/32 for points, and rank in the bottom 10 for pretty much anything else. They’ve been picking in the top 10 for forever and have nothing to show for it. Just because Arizona has a ton of prospects doesn’t mean they’ll even sniff the playoffs in the next few years.
Ok
Correct, and add to it all of the ridiculous shenanigans between the arena debacle, their recent draft forfeitures, drafting Mitchell Miller despite KNOWING about his background of bullying a disabled kid in high school, new ownerships outright obvious plan to use modern day sleazy business tactics to pump and dump the team from day one, and they're not just the worst organization in the nhl, they're the worst organization in north america sports. I'm sure there's more that I missed. This is not the hill to die on Shannon.
y’all didn’t watch the video 💀
@@yourfreechicken he ranked Arizona 19th for organizations going into 2023. You didn’t watch the video evidently
@@mjp2766 And he explained why he did it. I’m not gonna sit here and explain the video for you if you can’t be bothered to watch.