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Thoughts On The Pickleball Paddle Market Cycle
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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0:00 - Intro
3:36 - Joola event
18:13 - the US Open
21:18 - The Pickleball Paddle Market Cycle Explained
41:32 - Alternative Options to Popular Paddles
54:91 - The Irony of the Merger
59:07 - Building Our Perfect Pro Player
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Not saying Jack Sock for best third shot drive is insane. 😂
You know, I’m gonna have to agree with you there. Thats such an obvious miss. 🤣
Agreed, put some respect on the fearhand.
Thanks for the shout out will, those guys were smoking the ball with those paddles. I did review the airbender months ago. So hurt that chris found it not worth mentioning that we played together hee hee, i was stoked to meet and play with you boys and still love and support your channels!!
Third ball drive- Jack Sock
7th shot drive
Was listening to the pod walking the dog and I found myself walking with a huge smile on my face listening to you talk about your brother getting body bagged by Ben. Keep up the great work and I'll keep listening.
Daescu's 3rd shot drop: dude hardly ever misses it
Erne: Tyler Loong
Forehand dink roll: Anna Bright
ATP: Fed Staksrud or Jack Sock
Overhead: James Ignatowich or Thomas Wilson
Poach: ALW
The Austin PPA tournament irony was that the weather forced PPA to go to Dreamland, Steve Kuntz’s indoor facility.
Ayy glad to see the Ballista and Pickln on the alternate options. Awesome you agree with my paddle showdown vids, was actually gonna do an alternate options video as well
If you redo the building the best player at a more granular level, you should get to only pick one shot from each.
I was one of the first to get a Ruby _ and I wish I had passed on it. It's okay _ but the DBD is (IMO) better _ and cheaper.
Had it also day 1, but couldn’t get past how dirty it got so fast…drove my OCD wild. I drilled for like an hour with it and it looked like it had been used for a month.
I left my DBD for the BALLR Heat. Great alternative at a better price point and great company with a great mission.
- Said the BALLR employee
What’s the difference between price and price point ? 😅
For me - the Ruby has a bit more pop on my drives and counters that I was missing with the DBD. I love the DBD, but the Ruby is just a notch more for me.
What are your must try paddles as of May 2024? These are getting too expensive to own multiple so hoping you can shed some light on a newer player. Currently using Engage Pursuit Pro1.
You guys successfully told us exactly what to expect from Joola and probably avoided a lawsuit.
Thanks.
I've tried several of the Kevlar paddles Ruby, PLE-S and the Kinetic for my play I much preferred the Kinetic but not enough to change from my Hurache-X.
3rd shot drop: Matt Wright. He always gets to the net after it.
More info on CRBN paddle release please 😞
I've been alternating between the Filth and the Hudef Gen 2 Viva Pro....they both out perform my Legacy Pro, which I fell in love with when I first used it. I'd rather save the money (especially in the case of Hudef) than play with the "popular" brands. I will say the Filth price is on par with Legacy, but I think I get a little more bang for the buck with the Filth. Of course, paddle preference is so subjective, what works great for one, is a total turd for another.
Hi guys, I have been playing the Joola Hyperion 16mm for almost 2 years now and absolutely love it. I have been looking for a while and haven't found a paddle that would tempt me away from the Hyperion until I came across the Joola Hyperion C2 16mm yesterday. I'm not sure when this paddle came out, but I feel like they really didn't advertise it and I'm wondering why. It sounds like the perfect upgrade for me. A video I watched yesterday said that if the Hyperion and the Perseus had a baby, this would be the result. Everywhere I looked, it was out of stock, so I ended up paying full price from Amazon yesterday. I'm not really concerned about the money, but I'm wondering if I am buying at the worst time possible knowing that BIG things are coming from Joola in the near future. Just looking for your thoughts since I can return the paddle if needed. With the money that I have allotted for my new paddle, I can pretty much get anything out there and would like to make the most informed decision possible. That being said, I'm excited to get this paddle as long as I'm not missing something (it pretty much only had great reviews). Thanks in advance for your time.
Third shot drive is definitely Jack Sock even though Thomas is fantastic
Atleast in doubles, jack sock just hits it hard. He doesn’t typically hit a dipping drive which is typically harder to handle.
big papa jimmy would like a word
@@adamheath4599 jack puts heavy topspin on the ball. If you look at his stroke, it’s very whippy and compact which leads to a heavy ball with a lot of topspin. The commentators are right there watching and comment on it all the time.
@@joshuapickett1234 that doesn’t really change what I said. Of course he hits with a lot of top spin, but he hits it so hard that it’s not dropping below the net typically, or well below the net.
does Mach 2 or Scorpius hit harder
Regarding paddles made with carbon fiber titanium faces, we actually tested a 7.8 ounce, 16mm thick, elongated, thermoformed paddle using that type of face.
We were disappointed.
That combo actually seemed to dampen any pop or power from the paddle, which may be good for some players, but it wasn't what we were looking for in a paddle. It felt somewhat dead.
The material looks cool but doesn't seem to offer any advantage over the carbon faced paddles we manufacture.
Unrelated to this specific video, just wondering - you talk here about many paddles, could you review the Franklin tour? Patriquin, Johnsons.. serious pros play with it, any thoughts? 🤭
Are you planning to review the Honolulu J2K?
Your discussion of Kevlar and its combination with other materials sounds a lot like what golf went through with golf balls with the multiple layers and different materials.
Super curious on the new releases. I really want a "LUXX KILLER" The POWER game is what seems to be the focus, that's just not my game. You can't "BANG" very easily when balls are just over the net and the bounce is 6" over the court. The "BAMBOO" paddle Players put out caught my eye for a 'collectable". Hope to see you review the OM AERO.
Wills game needs "paint ball" protection.
Chris make sure the neighbors sign a release for noise reasons.
Big fan of the OM AERO1
@@jonnygibaud7954 Good to hear. How's the soft game (touch) with the OM? Can you compare it to any other for feel?
@@kimleith1378 Difficult to say as it's a racquet design so feels more like playing with a tennis racquet. Raffael gives a good overview - ruclips.net/video/o05WY4U0OuI/видео.html
Sleeves also - ruclips.net/video/JIf3B805On4/видео.html
The Kevlar thing is different. It’s not about who can get the fastest speed it’s more about the feel. Tennis analogy some like softer strings or less tension. It’s a feel thing. Crisp and pop isn’t for everyone nor is the rubbery bounce of the gearbox. I have both DBD and Ruby but I think pretty different feel. Ruby to me is more forgiving - maybe more power from baseline but less pop at the kitchen in a hands battle.
Hey Chris! This is a somewhat offtopic question. How do the Head Revolt 4.5 shoes feel? Is it pretty much the same as the 4.0s? Are the outsoles holding up well? I saw you wearing them at PPA Lakeville and I was wondering they were as good as the 4.0s
Would you say that a commonality of all the "Gen 3" paddles is they have moved away from honeycomb type core materials. (polypropylene, aramid, etc)? Just curious as to some of the broad characteristics of "Gen 3" paddle that we may see for the rest of 2024.
Why have you both not done a review of the Vauraus paddle from Cliff pickleball? Is the paddle not any good? Thanks
I know you guy aren’t trying to get sued by Joola but reviews probably won’t come out till after they’re already realeased. I’ll be trying to buy one on day one did you guys prefer 16mm or 14mm?
Any suggestions from Moving on from the Legacy Pro!? Looking for a similar option now that my Legacy delaminated..
Hey guys, you forgot the category "who is the smartest player on the courts?" ready for it, ready for it, ready for it.... Simone!!!
Something I'm curious about, I remember listening to a podcast with the creator of Vatic Pro a while ago. He mentioned he has tried to use kevlar on the surface before and it was not great, i wonder what made the Ruby different.
what new paddle did you play with?? ditch the hurache??
Another fantastic Siz Zero DBD alternative is the Neonic Flow.
hell yeah. played with that the other day. clone and even more spin.
@@jhleerph Not an identical clone. The neck tapers down more quickly on the Neonic Flow than the DBD or Ruby, but never the less a great hybrid type alternative, that's even better than the DBD IMO.
Paddles are like golf clubs. Finding the right fit feels good, but it won't change more than a tenth of a point to your rating moving from the best fit to one of the worst for you.
There are Babolat reps at a couple of the places I play and are letting people sample their new paddles. I played them and they seem very similar to Gearbox's CX series. Do you have plans to review these paddles?
Chris make sure your neighbors don’t mind the noise!
Yeah, this has been a large concern for sure
perfect pickleball player would have James Ignatowich's smile and jawline
And Tiger feet.
Tigger
"Be aware, it's 4.5 inches, so a lot of women probably aren't going to love that." 🤣 0:43:22
Will, that hat is fresh. What is it??
Love the video, Mark hybrid pure paddle is super close to the 6.0 dbd
I have a 6.0 BD, DBD & Ruby. I only use the Ruby but I can't tell much of a difference between it & the DBD.
Any opinions on which paddle is in between a DBD and a Legacy Pro in power and control?
lol will was high af 😂
I’m waiting for these new paddles to drop. Had my DBD too long
Curious your thoughts on 14mm vs 16mm paddles. Seems like 16mm are so powerful now that 14mm aren't needed. Am I wrong? Is there still a place for a 14mm paddle? Thanks!
i play with a volair mach 1 forza 14mm and prefer it over the 16mm. it comes lighter and therefore makes it more customizable while still keeping my hands faster than if I had a 16mm
You’ve gotta redo the perfect pickleball player where a pro can only take up a max of two different shots. Also, add in Erne/bert
I played a lot of tennis in my past but more ping pong as far as racquet sports go. Started playing pickle ball in 2016 when I retired and injuries keep me from tennis. I’m a gear head and often own 3 sets of golf clubs. Just throwing that out for reference to my passion for sports equipment. To say I’ve owned many many pickle ball paddles would be a fantastic understatement. I have owned in this pickle ball journey both the Joola 14 and 16 radius paddles. Good not great. My current gamer is. CRBN 2x with a Gruvn Muvn 13 mill as my back up. Lots of the big names are a tad over rated imo.
From my golf perspective I’d say that a golf driver is probably relevant for up to 5 years as far as technological innovation is concerned and former NASA engineers are designing golf equipment. Pickle Ball ain’t golf so I wouldn’t be rushing out to trade in a paddle that you’re currently enjoying.
any alternatives to the Perseus 14 mm? It plays different enough from the 16 that the alternatives would not really be the same i think
I haven't seen anything that can be a Perseus 14 alternative. 2200rpms and people think it's delaminated when i play with it but i test it daily lol.
I really wish companies would get off the long handle lolly pop shape. I waited forever for Paddletek to come out with a carbon fiber Bantum but when they did it had a long handle/short face Ugh.
No overhead on your Frankenstein player ? (Tyler or Thomas). Female overhead is Dizon.
11six24 kevlar is sick, the proto was really cool, feels nice
Looking to get one as soon as I can..
overhead put away?
Patriquin flick is good
What do you guys think of the Dymon- MAYHEM?
Best Ernie? Best poacher? Maybe best ATP?
Just a few ideas
When is the triple black diamond coming out
Great pod bros!! What hat was Will rocking in this one?
That’s a Northface Class V Webbing cap.
What about overheads?
Make it to the kitchen again, love your skyline collection hat
You have to decide best body type and physicality for Pickleball. Andre Daescu.
I don’t know the ruby and black diamond feel much different to me . I can swing them side by side and the feel of Kevlar is much softer it was a game changer for my wife .
Black diamond and Ruby, yes. Double black diamond and Ruby are much more similar.
@@PickleballStudio sorry i meant dbd. I don’t have a black diamond. My wife doesn’t really like playing with the DBD she would rather play with the ronbus r1 pulsar than the double black diamond.
@48:28 A11N is thermoformed and not sandwich tech, Will. The Original C8 was sandwiched and the new version is thermoformed. The C7 has always been thermo , just not unibody.
And for what it's worth, the C8 is identical in shape to the Scorpeus and made in the same factory. Fun fact as well the C8 actually has a longer handle than the specs say (5.25) it's actually 5.5 , very comfy.
I wonder if he was referring to the Carry C7. They had mentioned a Gen 1 carbon paddle. I think the Carry C7 matches that?
They did mention in gen 1 in the original C8 was a gen 1 paddle. It's now thermoformed but not unibody.
The original c7 and the C8 have been out for a couple years. The c7 Carry was only released last October.
And also the c7 Carry is not a wide body paddle. They were comparing the C8 to the Scorpius.
Chris with the new Melin hat😮💨
And what’s that on Will’s head?
“Beignet”. Tough word!
What are your thoughts on the Mach 2 Forza 14mm? Been thinking of buying one and I have been playing the DBD for a long time now. My game leans more towards control but I’m looking for a bit more pop and power without going to an elongated shape.
When they say hyperion, do they mean the regular one or the C2?
The regular one. I sell them for some reason it's still popular 🤷♂️
It sounds like the Paul manufacturers are ready to ruin the game and make paddle so powerful that playing in the kitchen will be hard for a lot of people. A former tennis and racquetball player and I would have no trouble controlling a superpower paddle like the gearbox I just choose not to use it. I play Forza two against people who try to hit the crap out of the ball and I can control their serves and send it back deep I can control their smashes, but there’s a lot of people who couldn’t do that and on top of that I don’t usually face someone who could serve like me I face the 50 player are the huge serve. I had it hell of a time getting them back deep I did it, but I felt like I was using every available reflex. I had to pull it off, and if the panels were even more powerful changes the game into a mini tennis game. Please don’t let this happen. They’ve got a limit to how much power they gonna have it ruined racquetball when the ball went from 120 miles an hour to 160 miles an hour and guys were cracking outbecause they hit them so hard and so low that they get eight points in a row just on this serve you couldn’t return it. I don’t wanna see that happen Pickleball.
Is that a Ronbus Fx R2 behind Chris? 👀
Ya'll seen the pressure point paddles? Insane.
The Vatic Prism line is very much a Gen 2 thermoformed raw carbon fiber paddle with edge foam. The Prism Flash line is not thermoformed but does have edge foam.
We need better certification testing. Companies have figured out how to get faster paddles certified.
Do you have a code for Melin hats!? Those are so nice!!
Salt Mafia is similar and half the price.
Will - How was the powdered sugar and beignets shower from Brayden?? 😜🤪
I think Ignatowich has a better serve than Dekel
He’s up there as well
Is there an alternative to the ProKennex Black Ace?
A handgun
GRÜVN MÜVN-13S. It won’t have the same pop but it is close and has better control for $162 after any code.
There’s not much that’s very comparable
6.0 Ruby Infinity 🤔
Not sure why Ruby is so hard to keep in stock, but I think Six Zero is losing potential buyers who are just moving on to another paddle. When the DBD came out, there were shortages, but Six Zero was able to meet all the demand in fairly short order (6-8 week wait). I tried to get a Ruby, but can't even put in a reservation for one, so at this point I am going to see what new paddles come out over the next month or so at other companies.
It’s popular, loads of NZ and AU players have the Ruby, hard not to find someone with one… When I first started barely saw anyone with a DBD here in NZ. So basically more demand than the DBD even though it was popular. It’s so pretty and plays awesome, it’s hard not to recommend. So then more people want one. Vicious cycle 😂
Yep, I went to buy one but couldn’t so I moved on.
Kinda hard to lose potential buyers when every release of the Ruby is sold out. It’s pretty in demand. Some may move one but others will get FOMO and wait for the next release.
How would you know if they lose buyers since every release is sold out? If each release was 10,000 paddles, I might agree, but it's not, so they are clearly not meeting consumer demand.
Not sure Ruby demand is any higher than the original DBD, but I am sure that Six Zero has produced about 8 new paddles (edgeless, etc.) since the original DBD, and are always working on new ones. Thus, their ability to manufacture each paddle is more limited now than when they only had 3 paddles. @@kravitz88
I bought the Mark Kinetic because I like how it looks. Kevlar has style.
Building a court. There's lots of Facebook groups out there that have great information and will give you a lot of great ideas and suggestions!
One of the better uses of social media!! Good Luck!
Invite us to the House Warming Tournament!! I'll supply paddles!! (Restrictions apply.. hahaha)
(Hmmm. That might not be necessary. hahaha..)
#PickleballChris
#TylerWrenProPickleball
#OptaHealthAndWellness
where'd you get beignets?
Probably Cafe du Monde since they were in NOLA.
I didn't realize it was in NOLA, could have been Morning Call - but either way.. I miss them! @@DogBehaviorSolutions
Beignets pronounced Bien Yay!
@pickleballwill Keep your damn hands out of the shot! 😂 #blurryboyz
if you build it...
I'm all alone in the Kitchen. 😢
3rd shot drive has to be Jack Sock!
😂 If it’s predictable, it’s can’t be the best drive maybe? Always ready for it…
@@kravitz88Big H when playing JS in singles looked at the crowd and asked if they knew where the ball was going because he sure didn’t.
Damn Will try harder why don't ya? Hard to listen too.
Great podcast. I made it to the kitchen.
Do I spy a Ronbus FX chillin on the wall 👀
Haha was wondering that too, can’t wait to hit that paddle 😂
Still waiting for the battle of the reviewers video...
Still editing 😂
Don’t Edit 😂
If you dont know how to play the paddle means nothing........
r/iam15andthisisverydeep
Spend money for a lesson on swing mechanics before running thru 10 different paddles…lol
"The grip circumference is really large on cliff's, so be aware. it's 4.5 inches, a lot of women probably aren't going to love that". @43:19
Yeah, I would imagine the women wouldn't love that. 4.5 inch circumference is like really girthy, too girthy for most
😐
And his name is JOHN CENA!!!!!
You both look high here lol what you trippin on? 😂
80 hour work weeks is about the only thing I trip on haha.
Haha i feel you. Did i skip past the alternative to the Perseus? Maybe I'm high lol i also am only on long days and weeks lol
First!! Woot!
I put a court in at my house myself! If you have any questions comment back and I'll shoot you my number! Would be happy to help or answer any questions!
Hey Chris- I sent you a message on Instagram regarding the home court. I ran out of room on the message. So it didn't let me send a picture of mine. But if you get around to it and reply, I can send you a pic of my court
Hmm, I don’t see anything in my messages.
@@PickleballStudio that is weird. I just see that you have to accept my invite. I think it's yours. Haha. Chris Olsen thepickleballstudio. I rarely use Instagram so not too sure what the problem could be.
Weird, I checked my filtered messages and it isn’t there either. Maybe try sending a short one again?
@@PickleballStudio copy- it potentially could by under cwk0323. I changed my photo and user name right after I sent the message. I'll cut the message down and see what happens
@@PickleballStudio yeah- says it won't let me send anything more until the invite accepted. Oh well, I tried FB messenger but it doesn't look like you have that.