Well in paper Shishio might look not too great of an upgrade over kaneshige but its a weapon specifically designed for kengo playstyle so I'll cover how much of an upgrade it is over kaneshige First upgrade is that it has Unworldly Ougi damage which is a hugeupgrade over kaneshige since it also increases your ougi damage cap allowing you to deal more damage with your kengo mc which already deals tons of ougi per turn. Second upgrade would be the delay. It's good if the enemy doesnt have immunity to it which makes the enemy no longer special attack with charge diamonds (kinda works like a water vania yukata but yukata vania has delay (drain) that only few bosses has immunity of) Third and best upgrade so far is the 3K heal with mc ougi. If you are going for the shishio, you should have an ultima weapon with 50% healing cap 3rd key because this heal can make hard bosses no longer much of a deal. If you get a total of 100% healing cap boost then you would heal 6-18K per turn just from kengo ougis which removes the requirement of a healer. (Also I suggest having a high hp high defense team would make hl content much easier with this weapon) Forth upgrade is its charge bar generation, now this might look like a straight upgrade because 15>10 but it kinda has flaws. First of all kaneshige gives everyone 30% charge bar gain up and 10% charge bar; for every kengo ougi other allies would gain 26 charge bar but shishio only gives 25. For mc, kengo gets 18 from kaneshige and 15 from shishio per ougi. If you are using pandemonium subskill (70% charge bar gain up for mc, it doesnt stack with kaneshige s3, only the highest counts) kengo will get 22 charge bar from kaneshige and 25 charge bar from shishio (for 3 turns every 8 turn) These may make it seem like kaneshige wins in terms charge bar generation but we still didnt count end of the turn effects. For base, kengo gives everyone 10 charge bar after you 4+ chain kaneshige doesnt provide any buffs like this so it will only generate 18 (22 with pandemonium) for mc and 13 for everyone else. Shishio on the other hand gives 15 more charge bar to everyone at the end of the turn which makes it a total of 25 (42 with pandemonium) for mc and 25 for everyone else. This is too high of an upgrade making you able to charge attack more often then kaneshige. Lastly, charge bar gain upon normal attacks. In this section kaneshige wins easily because shishio doesnt provide any charge bar gain bonuses and kaneshige's bonuses stack with kengo mc's charge bar gain with normal attacks (lvl 15 kengo) level bonus so yeah. For comparison you get 20 (24 with pandemonium) for single attacks, 44 (54 with pandemonium) for double attacks and 73 for triple attacks (88 with pandemonium) for mc and 13, 26, 39 for others with kaneshige vs 12 (19), 26 (42), 43 (70) for mc and 10, 20, 30 for others. But I think this difference is negligible because you wont be auto attacking that much. (I didn't incluce charge bar gain when taking damage because it requires a high amount of research on that topic but kaneshige would be better on that too because it grants charge bar gain) Fifth upgrade is upon using first skill (One with the Blade for kengo which already grants 50 charge bar). Kaneshige gives you 80% charge bar gain boost which makes it give you 90 (110 with pandemonium because it doesnt stack with 30% charge bar gain up). Tho if you use it on the first round it would only give you 75 (110 with pandemonium) and thats all. Shishio on the other hand grants an additional 50 charge bar and c.a. reactivation (1 time). This is obviously better because it would give you 100 (170 with pandemonium) charge bar and a charge attack reactivation effect for more damage and healing (which btw probably will heal you back to max hp on raids that hp checks you with join trigger because you can 4 ougi on the first turn with a setup for 4x6000 heal). Sixth upgrade is stackable c.a. dmg and c.a. dmg cap boosts to all allies which makes your charge attacks basicly stronger as you progress through the raid. Seventh upgrade is big glory which is boostable (by Varuna) 12.5% c.a. dmg, 6.8% c.a. dmg cap, 14.5% c.b dmg and 6.8% c.b. dmg cap at sl15. On primal this alone is great because you would get 4x these boost but even on magna its better than nothing. Last upgrade is stat boosts lmao 16 more hp and 187 more atk. Anyways when you use it, you understand it. Even having an unworldly kaneshige that gives everyone 50% c.a. dmg cap alone is a huge upgrade but this weapon is also highly suited for high diff raids. It I think is the best illustrous weapon for the high diff shit because it provides both healing, delay and huge damage boosts.
I think the main upside of Eresh is the speed and 0 button potential it has. Hraes always requires some amount of buttons which will mess you up if you are outside of japan.
I hate the fact that, unlike Hraes and Eresh, Earth is literally unplayable without Hruntling, and the element will probably forever be hostage to this sword
I thought they were cooking with Futsu in anticipation of future chars/class/voltage/thunderstruck memes but I forgot this is Cygames we're talking about
When I initially chose an illustrious weapon, Hrunting was one of the two that really interested me. Most of the weapon fell in either "Burst" or "FA" category, and Hrunting was the only one that felt like it would be consistent in both of those. While it's not Ereshkigal or Hraesvalgr for burst, it's also not shoehorned into that role like the others and I can just bring it in SUBaha or Hexa with it's consistent damage. And the 250% defense is just... so comfy
Thanks for the list! I got Eresh awhile back and was looking to see thoughts on the other weapons before I consider picking up another. Appreciate all the work you put in!
Shishio in A tier which is a full tier below Ura and and even below Rhomp is absurd imho. Shishio allows one to do end game tier raid content with ease and doesn't require super optimize grid and specific chara besides FLB Hasse to be effective. Like a guy have said, it feels like you are way too focus on burst and damage. I'd personally put Shishio behind Ura and bump Rhomp to highest in the A tier. The reason why I'd bump Rhomp down is because its 40 hits requirement putting restriction on team building + low assassin multiplier making it kinda meh in content that you can't FA + guarantee TA isn't that valuable as wind have a lot of MA buffers and we can potentially have 000 and Halmal in the sub summon slot.
It may be possible that I focused too much on damage in general but I do still kinda stick by my shishio placement now as a non shishio haver. But I'll pose the question since again, I don't have the weapon, do you really feel you NEED to spend 150 gold moons on shishio over just using a kaneshige? Because from what I've seen things like full autoing faa, bubs, belial, mugen; playing harder raids like hexa, and subhl manually it seemed like water players were doing just fine without shishio although shishio does give a gain and can make things comfier. That in conjunction with the fact if you're using kengo which I've seen the weapon mostly be used for the playstyle isn't that different from kaneshige which got shishio its ranking in my eyes. The only place I can see that shishio may vastly outperform kaneshige atm is when trying to solo hexa and maybe subhl? But I feel like that use case is so small that it wasn't worth raising the weapon higher, but maybe that's just me
Most "pro" players pnly focus on burst , same promblem with wiki tier list, if is not burst player is kinda hard to get a spot on tier 10. Shishio is a great weapon and tier oever rhomp
Eh B is fair, the only raid it truly makes easy mode is Belial. If you're a good player it doesn't really make your life that much easier. Most endgame players care about burst. You get your honors and get out. I have Shishio, Hrunting, Eresh, and Ura for perspective. Don't have Romp, probably never will. I'd put them both B.
lmao you don't use rhomp for assasin passive, it's shit anyway on itself. but it's really for turning mc into another attacker you glorified shishio too much, kengo wet can do just fine in normal hexa. you can say that it will allow you to solo but can you immediately do it after you buy it? where else can you use it after that? meanwhile rhomp and ura can do burst setups and hl contents just fine. you can even tier gw with those which shishio can't.
Last year I ranked in top 80k on dark GW without Eresh, back when the biggest honor inflation in recent memory happened. I did old school RS burst and it was some of the most painfull GW experience I had. I got Eresh 2 months after GW and I never want to go back. Eresh is often called "human rights" weapon, and honestly, it very much is. In a game where 90% of the content is very short burst farming and trying to optimize setups to require as little buttons as possible, having a weapon that enables basically 0 interaction from your MC, in element where some of the best auto-attackers are, it is invaluable. Mechanically yeah, it kinda falls off in longer content, though it is possible to do super ultimate bahamut dark dps with it and preform really well. It's basically QoL, easy plug and play option that is relevant to most forms of mundane farming this game has to offer. Hrunt and Hraes are technically better, have higher peaks, but the utility Eresh offers is invaluable. Anyways I'm 7 gold moons away from getting Hrunt, I can't wait to have rights to play dirt again. Buying dirt herc was the worst decision of my gbf career.
ppl here should understand that tier list are made based on how much you'd get from spending 150 moons on each wep what can you do after you buy shishio? solo hexa? then what next? meanwhile rhomp and ura, while not being able to solo hexa, can do hexa just fine, do burst setups, and tier gw. and between shishio and rhomp/ura, rhomp and ura can bar farm way way better than shishio also expanding on rhomp/ura hexa, ura can do hexa and it's way better than using yamato rhomp can do hexa just fine, not much of an upgrade from kengo coz kengo rn is just a braindead comp and so much comfy. but as other eles improves, wind will start shifting away from kengo like what they did on subhl
Futsunomitama - I actually see this weapon used with the Tormentor and it's one of the fastest setups in Faa0. They use something similar to Subaha's mashing setup with Mugen/Bunny/Lucio. For instance, the guy did 3,2b in a 8 minutes faa0 run. It may not be the fastest run for sure but he was still really fast with that setup.
Even if Shishio theoretically has weaker ougi count compared to kaneshige, in practice that isn't really the case, since with dog+haase you have more than enough bar to 6-7 chain every single turn. Also, cannot understate how powerful the base 3k heal on ougi is, shishio provides an unmatched level of sustain, allowing you to hyper-carry in hard raids no matter how hard they hit
Great video! Im coming up on 300 moons and ive been considering going primal and getting those gm weapons so the next video idea you mentioned is also something ill be looking forward too.
As someone with hrunting as a magna player (planning to go primal after im done building my first primal which is light) I can say the weapon still feels very good and makes me enjoy the game a ton more than if I didnt have it. In my mind the way I see it is, if I already love the element and weapon then its gonna go crazy when I eventually go primal on it Edit: and like you said in the video, I don´t think it has ever left my grid since I got it I can legit just use it anywhere I love it
This was really helpful in giving me an idea of which weapons I would want to buy. I had 450 gold moons and I felt like using them on something and the first weapon I got before seeing an in depth video was Eresh, which, I will say, is a really good farming weapon. I am not an earth main(though I am trying to invest into being one), but it does look like Hrunting is almost a must buy, especially from how others are talking about it, definitely something that's gonna be on my mind. Now as for the water weapon, despite being a water main, and despite the weapon being good, I do not have the grid for that, I am just gonna pretend I do not see it until I either pull more Wamdus, or just wait to get some dama bars. If there is anything I am curious about seeing as a tierlist, it would be an ultimate mastery tier list, as I am wondering what would be the best classes to focus on first regarding that. Sometimes it takes a while to get enough of the materials to reach mastery 6 as a semi casual(?) player.
That ultimate mastery tier list is a good idea but that sounds like another long one so I'm not sure when I'll be able to get to it if I do, but in the meantime depending on if you use these jobs or not I would recommend berserker, spartan, chaos ruler, luchador, apsaras, chrysaor, lumberjack, monk, kengo and glorybringer
-200 bar gain is pretty negligible on dark as well, you don't have any chara that want to ougi anyway, and the amp and auto cap is huge on an ele that just wants to auto. also you can zerk and have splitting spirit to add turns of burst like for example, cosmos terrorist setup does burst for like 7-9T, but you can argue that using yamato/chaos ruler is much better on this raid given how desolate the raid is😅😂 for the skill cap hit, there's not much charas doing skill nukes anyway. and if you're using fed+bowman the agonize on your grid will compensate for it. it's real con is that unlike hrunting, you can't just use it on raids like hexa. but for everything else it's super great
I'd really love to get a Blazing Mistral because I like fire and nukes but it's really hard to justify. It's a great fun weapon (imo) but it's not competitive at all, specially if you compare it to the greater Illustrious. A few points to add about it: the DATA buffs are supposedly very low so they shouldn't be an issue. However they can be extremely harmful because if the boss already has buffs and you ougi, these new buffs will go on top, covering the boss's buffs and making it harder to dispel them. The other thing is that the S2 is the type of skill that would force you into using niche subpar characters (like Barawa, although that combo seems SUPER fun) but thankfully, whether it was intentional or not, fire has some top tier characters like Zeta on Wilnas that can dispel a lot. Mistral might have a chance to shine a bit harder with raids like LuciHL on release, where spartan was used a lot, or maybe Apsaras row5. Until then...
Gonna listen to that during work like a podcast lol You're the reason I bought Hrunting 10 months ago when I watch your Hrunt vs Andromeda video. Now we are back with another GM weap video, what decisions will I do this time? (I love my Hrunt. Also got my Eresh. Would love a Hraes, but my Water Grid is very sad.)
1:07:06 I gotta say I disagree heavily with the entire assessment of this weapon, but most notably this assertion that Noa renders the weapon needless. While you don't need any of these weapons, as someone who mains fire, this weapon has GREATLY extended my capabilities and has provided a very tangible and noticeable boost to performance in harder raids. Wind Switch is an exceptionally strong mechanic on a weapon that both liberally applies and protects it, to the point where I've begun running Wind DMG Reduction EMPs and Passives on characters like Satyr. The weapon can make you unkillable; you can pretty brainlessly mash in Siete and even SUBaha with Michael, and it provides significant flexibility in what skills you're allowed to take to clear omens or provide party support. It also provides a lot of damage, and while looping full-chains isn't as seamless as Kaneshige, you'll barely notice a difference in ougi output. The chain-extension passive on the weapon also didn't go nearly in-depth enough about what that means for the classes you use it on, or even for activating the line of text right beneath it on the same skill. Having Kengo's ML20 passive permanently active as a 5-chain, or having UM Chrysaor provide extra auto nukes; both of these are significant factors into the weapon's performance that aren't quantified in the the weapon's stats. You don't immediately see these boons outside of the sheer damage when you plug-and-play it in lower difficulty content, but the more I have stress-tested the weapon, the more it has surprised me in just how capable it truly is. If you main fire, even if you have Holiday Noa, I implore you to look into the weapon more to see if it's right for you, I cannot recommend it enough.
Eresh can be used in practically anything, from story events, Replicard, bar farming, to bullet farming; nearly every aspect of the game can utilize Eresh. Eresh's 0-button feature provides real value that Hraesvalgr doesn't offer, and Eresh can work with any character. The better the character, the more damage you will deal. However, Hraes can't function optimally without characters such as Lucio, who is extremely difficult to obtain these days. While Hraes can 2-turn Bubs tier raids, there are really no significant benefits, in my opinion, as material drops will be relatively the same with Eresh. There's no point in soloing these raids. Personally, I'd rank Eresh in first place, then Hrunting, and Hraes in third, purely because of the difficulty and characters you need to make that weapon work. That's just my opinion.
You mostly don't play lucio at all with hrae nowadays unless you are doing huge execute work in subhl, hrae have access to fast setup with dragon, cow ect, hrae have less lockout than eresh, and has more burst potential, I still own eresh but both have very solid arguments, I think I could have got away with hrae and no eresh tbh
@@Loleyke hraes require lot more investment, you'd still need characters and bullets . Where as eresh can work with pretty any dark character these days with abundance of good dark suptix and limited characters. Another thing is that if you running a raid where everyone else is using eresh, you'd likely won't get chance to do burst with hraes unless you have JP Ping.
@@fodspeed if you have a scuffed setup with eresh it will be as bad as a bad hrae setup tbh, you still need some limited, worked in six and having a good quantity of grand weapons, also the part with eresh Vs hrae isn't true even if you have 300 ms hrae is potentially faster because of the 0 lockout factor (and that 1 turns on hrae is often equal to 2-3 turns on eresh), I still feels eresh lockout (6.8s) with 300ms bullets aren't that bad tbh
@@Loleyke in my experience - I've got just one PNS and no bubs, but my Eresh holds up just fine. I'm doing comparable damage and taking same amount of turns for bar farming or replicard. With so many weapons available, you can easily substitute for a grand weapon, whether it's Revans, Awakening, GW, or Dark Opus transcend. Even a not-so-great grid works surprisingly well. What really matters are the characters - and you don't necessarily need Seox at 150; there are plenty of alternatives. Eresh's requirements are way easier to meet compared to Hraes for similar performance. Hraes has other complexities; for instance, to bring out Haase, you're stuck with either Baha as support or main summon,or mains summon yatima (untixable summon) and wasting a summon slot on death. Or you wait a turn to bring her out. Hraes also demands a lot of bullet farming, sharing mats with Opuses now - a minor drawback. Eresh shines in zero-button setups, where Hraes falls short. Sure, Hraes might be the damage king, but when it comes to usability and quality of life, Hrunting and Eresh outshine it - unless you're ready to invest heavily into water to make Hraes comparable or even better in some niche cases.
You don't really use haase in most cases with hrae tho, most setups use cow / zeta + X, you could also get away with full auto deactivating everything except open fire to deal great dmg with virtually 0B, the grid is fairly budget friendly (eliminate the need of any pns or suppl weapons) as you only really need 3 umbrella, 1 murgleis with cage is a plus but you can get away with NWF weapons, I actually run eresh too but I could have got away with just playing hrae in most scenarios imo, the drawback of both weapons is the lack of flexibility for harder content, I think both are equal and if you miss 2nd pns and multiples ES it's still kinda scuffed as would perform an average hrae grid (if you have 000 for your eresh setup I guess it's fine) I think getting both kinda clash tho, unless you wanna rank a lot in both gw, that's why I will prob buy hrunting next time as the weap as more flexibility @@fodspeed
A 2 hour video released right as I'm about to go to bed... You absolute legend. Got something to look forward to. Will edit my comment once I finish this later. Heckin fantastic video my guy. I know from your announcement vid you said you don't do this for a profit but I feel bad for the amount of effort and time put in without giving something.
1:22:04 😭😭😭 Unrelated to the main topic of the video but, I'm more of a spear guy myself, it's only the most prevalent weapon in history and has been invented indepently in most cultures because sharp pointy object on a long stick is both simple and effective
The only Illustrious Weapon I made was Zosimos, because I am down bad for Summer Magisa lol. Your assessment of it was fair, and im just glad you didnt put it in Murcielago tier. I'm kind of a casual player and just like seeing big click damage with Manadiver and Magisa, and it works really well for my very basic needs. :} If there's one thing im not sure on what to do with the weapon, its whether or not to use Overtrance with it. Normally I run Secret Triad/Wild Magicka/Flex but Overtrance would allow you to get the most milage out of its ougi skill cut stuff. But idk the former setup just feels more comfy to me.
Its ougi spam helping with the healing and crest generation as well as turn cutting mc with nukes does seem like it could be good but maybe unnecessary and slow. Maybe good for something that's not super long but you could utilize the sustain and buffs in like maybe a gw full auto?
I agree with the general ranking of the weapons but I feel like for Hrunt the con of the damage over time is sort of overblown. For the longest and hardest fights we have in the game (SUBHL and Hexa) you basically take 0 damage with a normal Earth setup and the majority of the issues are around clearing non-damage omens or not having teammates die. Since Earth has so much innate damage resistance (Thanks Caim) and a ton of passive healing (Especially in the days of 250 Luci) the downside of Hrunting hardly even matters.
Generally, quite a fair assessment, however I'd say you're missing a big point on futsu. Futsu currently is in a bad spot not because of bad weapon skills, but because of there being no meta characters to apply thunderstruck, the only one being monika who is for all intents and purposes a backline character for futsu with her passive 2. You can see Futsu being used to maximum potential on tormentor hexa where mc is dishing out 10m+skd per turn. Another thing you might want to take into account is grid space. As more grands are released, even the mainhand slot is affected, and illustrious without a decent 3rd skill, such as zosimos, get harder to slot in. Ura/Eresh/Hrae are generally unaffected as one of their skill is effectively 30 auto amp, so they work to the benefit of grid condensation/space management. Current example is how Ura with big fandango is how light/hmugen can reach 100ta without sacrificing dmg in grid for bhl farming. Zosimos though, outside of FA content, there's hardly much of a use-case scenario where 1 crest gain+ 1k heal is worth a slot, especially when exaltos weps gets added into the dark grand pool. And on the matter of Higurashi versus Shishio, Higurashi is ultra defensive, to the point that its unnecessary and you hurt your dpt in terms of getting enough singed stacks for percival to start doing work. Shishio, though offers less charge bar than Kaneshige, has access to Haase, which offsets the detriment of that weapon skill.
I think for the futsu and zosimos sections I did address the concerns that you brought up 😅, but yes you are correct. And that singed part of higurashi is true but I'd argue that this will happen with any mc mainhand outside of percivals sword since no other weapon gives you singed on ougi, or just using an ougi comp in general. But I have seen some chrysaor comps starting to pop up where you could wield higurashi and percys sword to get both effects if singed is a concern
Ngl putting Rhom and Ura above shishio was insanely shocking to me. I think you might have focused way too much on dmg and not so much the utility over at least some of the weapons esp when you compared things to easier alternatives. Makes me feel a bit like you rated them more for the NEED rather than how good they are themselves in the places they are used for. Still great vid since I barely agree with most of the placements.
Yeah I do think you hit closer to my thoughts where I thought about the need for something. When I looked at the cost of 150 gold moons the way I saw it is yes shishio is good but I don't see it as so good of an upgrade over a kaneshige that I'd raise its tier higher especially since kaneshige is a free weapon. Yes shishio may be more comfy or the optimal choice but 9.9 times out of 10 I feel like you can just accomplish what it does with a kaneshige and use your moons elsewhere
that's what the tier list is for, and seeing the cost of each wep, you'd get much more return from ura and rhom than shishio rhom and ura can pretty much be used for burst and hl content. ura is used on hexa and subhl. meanwhile rhom is also used on both but not much ppl on use it on hexa because wind kengo is just comfier. but in time when everyone else gets stronger, wind will start going away from kengo like what happened to subhl and yes, both rhom and ura is way better than their alternatives now tell me, where else can we use shishio other than hexa and soloing raids?
@@noname-uu6ol A tier list is only based on the criteria the maker bases it on. A tier list can be made on how good something is and still not mean that its a priority on which to get. I don't think Ajt specified the criteria outside of pros/cons/mixed, which leaves it pretty vague. Many people agree that stuff like shisho is insanely strong and does much more than kaneshige as far as dmg while having hard sustain, but because hard content is only like 1% of content and there are alternatives naturally people wouldn't put it to a priority. The weapon is used to literally solo carry the current endgame and most likely every other endgame fight going forward by itself and he put it under 3 weapons that couldn't. That alone makes it quite insane and above those weapons. Feels like he just plced it lower because its a katana cause kaneshige and not so much the actual things the weapon brings now and going forward, esp after his water gun point he made about future bullets.
Hrunting at the top? Earth biaaas... tho I kinda felt the same too. It's just so usable~ I've seen the explosive power of the other 2 weapons with bursty crew runs like in Babu and Beli. I can't really do anything during those 2 moments. Other content tho, I feel pretty dang powerful with hrunting > : 3
Great video. I agree that Andromeda would be amazing for Rising Force if not for the big ass CA reactivation issue they seriously need to fix that shit you could be literally at 199% and boom goes your supposedly 99% down the drain and now you can hardly ougi the next turn unless you have a heavy battery oriented team like Benjamin + Monika + Satyr or Caim which might be ok but completely restricts the weapon lol I'm still maybe gonna get it tho just either cope for better harp classes in the future or maybe they will fix that CA reactivation issue hopefully 😷
This also might force you to put +Charge Bar summons just for safety in turns where you screw up without reaching 100% or 200% bar so gotta sacrifice some Providence summon slots 😂
@@Vizefon Yep this is exactly how it goes and a lot of the times if I'm trying to play on full auto it's very hard to line these up exactly when you need so it's just a mess
I think a lot of people are looking at shishio and placing a lot of value on the fact that water with shishio can solo HH without realizing that there is literally no reason to solo HH other than personal achievement, if you can do your responsibilities with unsigned then why bother spending 150 gold moons other than progging the fight day 1 to be as strong as possible. If soloing belial on water is that important, you could just as easily do it with s. Shalem with the anniversary ticket rather than 150 gold moons, or you could just leech pug belials that all fall over instantly from the 5 relic busters and soldiers who burst them down in an instant Even from a "non burst damage" perspective, Shishio is nowhere near as versatile as any of the weapons above it
Soloing hh means you have insane leeway when not soloing. Especially when you have a certain degree of rng in your party and/or it's just not as good to clear every omen cause you lack critical character or grid pieces. The crazy sustain you get from Shishio lets you do mistakes while learning AND carry your team when you lack every tool all those youtube vids or your crew members do. I still do mistakes on it and shishio saves me from using pots and lets me carry hh after 40 for longer even if I screwed up before (more than once too) - no way I'd be able to do that with Kaneshige without rest of the team having to pull much more weight. That said I wouldnt consider the weapon for people who do lack water resource because overall, it's a weapon for water "mains". If w/e new raid comes up you naturally dont gravitate towards water then dont bother with it.
@@mrcinos275 I completely agree with the strengths you have listed and can see how it's a strong weapon. The immense sustain you can get from it is insane, and I can 100% see it as a worthwhile investment for a water player who really enjoys the high level content in the game and is going to be using it regularly when playing. I was only outlining that the majority of content in the game, even for a water player, isn't going to be making much use of Shishio. The value of it when compared to 7 damascus (if you're in need to upgrade your grid), the optimus uncap globes depending on transcendence strength coming out, a siero tix for a providence summon, or a more high priority weapon like Hrunting considering earth is near unplayable in most content without it, is a much better use of resources. Even with the leeway of soloing so much on HH, if someone can't clear a pearl the entire lobby leaves anyway, and I don't know whether or not water can do the last 15% solo with a pearl still up. That being said, it does 100% provide value and is a very strong weapon in the content that it is good for, it's just not nearly as all encompassing as what 150 gold moons could get you instead
Fantastic resource! If you made a video talking about your thoughts when transitioning to primal that would be hugely appreciated, been playing for not that long and currently only play primal fire but thinking of transitioning my light to primal this year, and hearing a more experienced player's thoughts on how/what that looks like would be hugely valuable to someone like me.
I'm just theorizing I ain't spendin gold moons on an illustrious right now but Blazing Mistral is one of those weapons that seems like if you don't have the characters don't bother even consider getting it period, specifically people who dispel on ougi or reset a skill that can or people who auto activate a dispel under conditions like Michael (because she gains stacks when people ougi and its an ougi effect so thats immediately 1 stack when it applies the buff to the enemy) so you still make it in that window let you get the most use out of it, but if you do have those characters already (which hopefully you do by the time you get 150 gm) I feel like its one of the easier FA weapons for that same reason though but maybe thats just me, . Its also definitely made with the intention of being a cavalier weapon because of battering ram synergy. Luckily a lot of the dispel characters are actually really good like Michael and ZetaG and Elmott, and we just got Katsuki from my hero event as a freebie. Edit: People who reset skills on ougi in generally actually work towards that even if they don't dispel because of the blazing mistrals skill 1, so the pool of characters that can be used with it are slightly more diverse. The thing that makes blazings skill 2 not awful is that it doesn't specify fire ally skill needing to be the thing that dispels.
I feel murcielago is better than the fire spear and light dagger, murcielago can tribialize some fights like belial, and help a ton in hard content, while the other two are a bit more damage sometimes i guess, don't do a new things that you couldn't before.
Narcotune who helped me with murcielago questions did say they enjoyed using it but I'm still pretty hesitant on it myself lol. But more power to you and it definitely is a unique playstyle
Ive been thinking about Illustrious weapons lately because I'm probably going to hit 150 moons again after anni. Having bought Hrunting, the obvious next choice was Eresh, but with all the recent changes thats kind been brought into question for me. On the last video you linked a World burst with Hrunting that works perfectly for me, just as fast as Eresh would be. If I want to gold brick farm, now I can just spark Catura, who I want anyway. And if I want to do PBHL instead, well I'm close to finishing Alanaan. My earth can already 0b every 3 bar node and 2 turn every Defender in sandbox. So I've realized....do I even have anything I need Eresh for?? I could argue GW, but then I could just as well get Hraes for water GW. Listening to the video at work, so haven't gotten to the Eresh part yet. Hoping your insight will help me decide when the time comes Also: respect the AI:TSF music
The things you've mentioned are the exact same reasons I've waited so long to get eresh as well. People tout its qol which I wholeheartedly agree with but if you have other elements built its effectiveness goes down and down outside of just boosting your dark for dark specific things
what do you think about buying ereshkigal today? i feel like its value keeps dropping because of things like not being the fastest in bar farm or others stuff, but do you think its still as good as it used to be or even value increase since ex+ went to 35m?
@@Aiskreim As someone who actually bought eresh recently I'd say nowadays I'd probably swap it with hrae in my original placement, dark is still pretty fast in bar raids tbh and eresh brings a lot of qol for quick setups for various encounters, I just think you need more investment in dark to make it shine than you did on release
The only way I can describe the weapons r tough risks with high rewards, some r broken and others felt they've held back a bit on their full potential but overall not a bad list
I feel this review is too heavily leaning on "damage". Feedback: An improved tier-list of weapons should take into account the necessary pre-requisites to make use of said weapon to the fullest. Lastly, the element of the weapon matters more than not, class accessibility etc. In order to maximise the usefulness of Hraes for instance, you do need certain characters and an insane farm of bullets that many people aren't/won't be able to get. Whereas other weapons do not have this high entry barrier to maximise their usefulness. I know you know what I mean, and it's not easy to rank weapons. In that spirit, I personally would rate Hraes as the 1st A-tier and we can agree to disagree :), Eresh as S is fine (out-of-the-box machine), and Shishio as the last A tier instead of B. My 2 cents :)
Oh nooooo we're not doing this again LOL. But yes I do get what you mean maybe it was too focused on damage. And yeah I agree on hraesvalgrs pre reqs, it's one of the reasons I'm not getting it myself, but I do still think it's power at the highest investment is definitely still worth S
to make use of shishio, you'd need almost the same amount of stuff you need for hrae, minus the bullet. you can say that you can have cope grid for both, but their usefulness in the end isn't the same. there's not much stuff you can do with shishio, like it's really only hexa for now where it shines the most. whereas, you can sand and bar farm using hrae. plus you can do gw
At this point not really anymore, I kinda did when I first got it a long while ago but now I'm kinda over it. I'm an omega whale though so I have a very large influx of gold moons to kind of pay for what I lost and still get other weapons, and after ura there was nothing else I HAD to have so I probably would've bought it anyway especially since not being able to test it would've driven me crazy lol. So nah I don't really regret it even though its uses are limited
Imo Shishio should be a bit higher, it make hexa and probably faa2 a breeze, you said it gives less bar than kaneshige, but water have access to the best bar bot in the game (haaselia, vajra bar gain), you can consistently loop with it and you can actually play it with something else than kengo (yamato/onmyouji), also I wouldnt say "nothing impressive" about the weap when you can litteraly heal between 14-21K hp per turn while still having an unworldly modifier (up to 18M ougi in V2), the problem with the weap is just that it's locked to hardcore content rn, not much versatility but insane in hard content
@@noname-uu6ol you say that like he didnt place water gun at the top when you need to farm bullets to even use it effectively. All his points were definitely under the assumption you have everything you need as usually a person wouldn't grab an illustrious unless they were alrdy heavily invested in an element.
@@Ty_Jac yes because that's how it is for every illustrious weps anyway. you can't just go and buy shishio and expect to be able to solo hexa without the proper stuffs for it the only wep that is usable and great with minimum stuffs is eresh hrae is top because after you farm bullets, you can bar farm, sand farm, tier gw. and shishio can't even do that
@@noname-uu6ol that depends on you buddy. and what you got. its a shitload of healing so you can use it to solo/FA shit your normally couldnt. figure it out for yourself.
@@kevingraham4736 what raids you would need to solo in the first place? in the time your shishio solo a proto bahamut hl, I'll be able to farm tons of pubs and have more chance of getting more bars. same as mugen, and same as gw, I'll be able to do more nm honors and get more valors see, im getting tons of returns in forms of bar, sands, and valor for that 150 moon that I spent. rather than just getting heals to be able to solo something I shouldn't even bother soloing and that's is what tier list is made for, the rating of how useful and how much returns you'll get for spending your precious moons
the real con of rhomp is not the 40hit req, but the 1time assassin on it. you cast a dmg summon and surprise it's spent now 😅😂 and another con is that apsa being the best dps class, forcing you to equip spear/axes. and wind being wind have daggers, swords and fist on grid lmao. wind draco ain't even an axe even if it almost looks like one. and even if you force it on extra grids, you're stuck with mediocre options since wind nwf is neither axe/spear as well
I am an earth diehard and a water hater ™️ but shishio imo is, in practice, an S or at least an A. You compare a kaneshige player's performance against a shishio player in Hexa and the whole damage team wide is ridiculously higher (those buffs and the unworldly on MC going hard I suppose) and the ability to just mash harder with the surprisingly fat heals every turn (often twice) and delay which may or may not hit. There's the potential bar gain you raised but it doesn't seem to be an issue when I see some dumbass water pleb honour gapping my beloved earth team or wind when I'm playing hooky. It doesn't do anything cool like some of the other weapons but the results are hard to argue with imo. In terms of actual value I don't see it being an investment that a water player would suddenly find undermined (like you raise with the higurashi vs noa who is a great slot regardless). Also love the extra extra long video so comfy 😂
See but that's still kind of my issue yes it's extremely potent in harder content like hexa but that's about it, sure it may be very hard to creep in hexa because it will be harder to make a burstier setup in a fight like that but I've already seen something like a warlock build for hexa that also performs extremely well. And if water were to get a character like noa but that instead gave a ridiculous amount of heals and defense buffs sure you could use shishio and that character together but like higurashi you'd probably drop shishio before the character. Then going down from hexa yes in something like subhl/faa/belial/bubs/mugen it's still extremely useful but would you really want to spend 150 gold moons on this when you could play with a kaneshige for this same type of playstyle or use those moons on hraesvalgr and do something completely new and much faster? And then for your general content like atum/wilnas do you really want to spend 150 gold moons on this when you could use a kaneshige or just play manadiver? All these things compound together in my head to bring down shishio because 150 gold moons is a lot to me when for the vast majority of content there are better, similar, or faster options you could utilize for the same cost or much lower. Also glad you liked the length but this may he around my limit LOL
Are any of these worth attempting to use in magna grids? I currently have a zeus and a hades setup, and have all the pieces that you'd normally want for a titan setup, albeit lacking in the damascus to uncap everything. I saw a couple of your videos that you've done magna hrunting, but the only one I've really done here is hades eresh for obvious reasons.
Yeah hrunting I've been looking into a lot and I do think it's pretty viable but I would caution that you really want like everything available to you if you're playing purely magna notably for harder content because magna atm lacks hp and defense without caim backline, so you want things like your nwf weapons, celestial weapon, some sieg weapons you can make defense (mk2 not required), nameless, to name a few. But just for general use it's definitely very good even in magna. You already talked about eresh but eresh is still useful, I hesitate on hrae because you can most likely make it work but it may be more worth to just use the exo gun and save the moons. I think higurashi and shishio could probably see some use if you really wanted them for hard content but idk if I'd get those if I was magna. The rest idk if I'd recommend
@@Ajt500 That's fair, I'm close to finishing caim's nwf weapon so I think I might be able to make it work out. I agree with a lot of your assessments, though: Hraes, I don't think I can reasonably take enough advantage of to use it properly, despite having characters like s.lucio to make relic buster bursting kinda work, and while higurashi and shishio both look great...at the same time, kaneshige does like 90% of what they do well, making them feel not as useful. Part of me has considered getting Ura for the upcoming light GW, but imo that's a massive investment for a somewhat niche choice. I do have like 500-something gold moons lying around though, so I might pick up hrunting at least. Thanks for the reply!
Firstly I'd wait for anniversary free rolls before sierotixing any of those. 2nd I wouldn't sietotix any of these specifically for hexa but instead look at them from a general use standpoint. But if I had to pick one it'd probably be bubs
hi wanted to ask this on twitter dms because its a general question but ig u cant dm anymore unless u have premium lol. anyways i was wondering if you find extremity better than the skill amp key on light opus when mainhanding ura despite the caveat that ura alone caps NA amp? i feel like having the extra cap and data seems better than the other keys still but wanted a second opinion (and i dont believe extremity counts as special amp?)
Oh I didn't know about the twitter thing with dms because my dms are open but also feel free to just ask whatever questions about whatever on any video, I don't care if the question doesn't have to do with the video lol. But I did just try with my ura and normal attack faa0 key and the auto attack key IS indeed a special type called NA amp special, so yeah I don't think it's worth to use the skill damage one at least not in your standard burst/full auto type stuff
@@Ajt500 oh sweet then yeah ig its just always extremity angle unless very specific setup tyvm for testing. as for twitter i think u need to go in ur settings and specifically allow non premium users to dm u, elon made that garbage default without asking anyone.... thank you!
Hey, i kinda want to ask your opinion on hrunting rn. So here's the situation, i have 3 galleon staff build already, and 2 earth pns ready to be bar'ed, caim is on the way and i think will be ready on anniv, which means i have untill anniv to think my decision The main thing i dont have is the core burst character I dont have kukuru/sandal/olivia. The 3 main burst of the current hrunting burst party. And i am a free player, which means i probably cant take them with tix and anniv tix. Also, on another note, i do have a light primal grid ready to be bar'ed, but if i pick hrunting and some bars for my uri fist, that light grid probavly will be kinda forced to stay as magna as i do need some bars from GM to bar my light grid (2 harmo, 2 nehan harp, 2 noa, and 1 cosmos atm, no lu woh yet sadly) Which do you think should prio? Please throw the fact that a light GW is incoming coz i think i will still be able to do fine even with my current spec~
Well firstly before anything I'd probably wait till anni to make a decision, but are you implying that your gold moons will be used on either hrunting or bars for light? Because I would definitely say hrunting over trading gold moons for bars. But if that's not the case I think I'd probably still say hrunting in your case unless you just really like light and want to start investing hard. You already said you can get by during gw without going primal and having no lu woh fists puts you behind and there will likely be another character and weapons for light come anniversary in preparation for their gw which will put you further behind. Not having cucu/sandy/olivia does suck but you can make do, cucu sees use mostly only in diaspora and some ubhl full auto. Sandy is good for burst off ele though this is true but he is a grand so you could aim to spark him. Olivia is also very good but I think you can make do without her as well although you may not be able to be as experimental as other people with her. But all this being said hrunting is still the core of earth at the moment so if you're wanting to play the element even somewhat seriously I'd recommend it, but again wait until anniversary and keep thinking it over and watch for what is revealed then
@@Ajt500 alright, noted, and yes, my GM will go to either bars or hrunting. I already am kinda leaning into hrunting after talking it out with my crew, but just in case i wanted an opinion from someone who actually owns it. I already am planning to grab sandal somewhat soon so itll be usable for pbhl/any other GB hunt raid, Since i dont really have any other build for 2m honor there. Which is the biggest reason i'm already leaning towards hrunting in the first place... Anyway, As expected ill wait till my caim is actually ready to go before hitting the no return button. Thanks for answering!
That depends on you. Can you use those things to your advantage in a meaningful way? Eresh is very good if you have the grid and are willing to put in the time to bar farm with it or go hard on a dark gw. Bubs is also generally useful everywhere. 150 moons however is a lot and depending on where you are at in the account progression you might get your Bubs naturally before reaching endgame where he is really able to shine. You can farm a lot of things without bubs and many raids will still bar you from entry even with him if you lack the proper roster of characters. The ideal way to play GBF is to just hoard resources until you know for sure that you are going to put them to good use. We could always get a new set of GM weapons or something like the Flugen setup which completely changes the meta and makes past investments meaningless.
man your shishio evaluation is very wrong, hopefully when you get it someday, you will finallly understand its worth, for me its a solid S, tooo good in end game raid, hexa is easy with it
Eresh was overated and really usefull if you play as fulltime GBF corporation player. I mean it's for race content if you playing chill not hard as corp well is just waster your GM. You wont get any benefit.
personally I'd rate it as Eresh tier - Eresh coz it can easily be used by both magna and primal S+ - Hrunting rating it higher than hrae since dirt is much more sad ele, and you pretty much can use it for everything S - Hrae simply because it's so strong and busted A+ - Ura coz of it's wep skill being good, and a lot more versatile than it seems A - Rhomphaia, I owned it but it really feels lackluster compared to others, also spear class sucks, like if you play apsa you need to have 5 spear/axe and wind doesn't really have a lot of good choices out there. iatro is bad spear class since it's dps is so bad, spartan is nice but only for short burst turns B - Shishio, Higurashi coz they're mostly situational use like on super hl raids. C - others, buying them is just like for satisfying yourself with some crazy strat you want to do with it.
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Well in paper Shishio might look not too great of an upgrade over kaneshige but its a weapon specifically designed for kengo playstyle so I'll cover how much of an upgrade it is over kaneshige
First upgrade is that it has Unworldly Ougi damage which is a hugeupgrade over kaneshige since it also increases your ougi damage cap allowing you to deal more damage with your kengo mc which already deals tons of ougi per turn.
Second upgrade would be the delay. It's good if the enemy doesnt have immunity to it which makes the enemy no longer special attack with charge diamonds (kinda works like a water vania yukata but yukata vania has delay (drain) that only few bosses has immunity of)
Third and best upgrade so far is the 3K heal with mc ougi. If you are going for the shishio, you should have an ultima weapon with 50% healing cap 3rd key because this heal can make hard bosses no longer much of a deal. If you get a total of 100% healing cap boost then you would heal 6-18K per turn just from kengo ougis which removes the requirement of a healer. (Also I suggest having a high hp high defense team would make hl content much easier with this weapon)
Forth upgrade is its charge bar generation, now this might look like a straight upgrade because 15>10 but it kinda has flaws. First of all kaneshige gives everyone 30% charge bar gain up and 10% charge bar; for every kengo ougi other allies would gain 26 charge bar but shishio only gives 25. For mc, kengo gets 18 from kaneshige and 15 from shishio per ougi. If you are using pandemonium subskill (70% charge bar gain up for mc, it doesnt stack with kaneshige s3, only the highest counts) kengo will get 22 charge bar from kaneshige and 25 charge bar from shishio (for 3 turns every 8 turn) These may make it seem like kaneshige wins in terms charge bar generation but we still didnt count end of the turn effects. For base, kengo gives everyone 10 charge bar after you 4+ chain kaneshige doesnt provide any buffs like this so it will only generate 18 (22 with pandemonium) for mc and 13 for everyone else. Shishio on the other hand gives 15 more charge bar to everyone at the end of the turn which makes it a total of 25 (42 with pandemonium) for mc and 25 for everyone else. This is too high of an upgrade making you able to charge attack more often then kaneshige. Lastly, charge bar gain upon normal attacks. In this section kaneshige wins easily because shishio doesnt provide any charge bar gain bonuses and kaneshige's bonuses stack with kengo mc's charge bar gain with normal attacks (lvl 15 kengo) level bonus so yeah. For comparison you get 20 (24 with pandemonium) for single attacks, 44 (54 with pandemonium) for double attacks and 73 for triple attacks (88 with pandemonium) for mc and 13, 26, 39 for others with kaneshige vs 12 (19), 26 (42), 43 (70) for mc and 10, 20, 30 for others. But I think this difference is negligible because you wont be auto attacking that much. (I didn't incluce charge bar gain when taking damage because it requires a high amount of research on that topic but kaneshige would be better on that too because it grants charge bar gain)
Fifth upgrade is upon using first skill (One with the Blade for kengo which already grants 50 charge bar). Kaneshige gives you 80% charge bar gain boost which makes it give you 90 (110 with pandemonium because it doesnt stack with 30% charge bar gain up). Tho if you use it on the first round it would only give you 75 (110 with pandemonium) and thats all. Shishio on the other hand grants an additional 50 charge bar and c.a. reactivation (1 time). This is obviously better because it would give you 100 (170 with pandemonium) charge bar and a charge attack reactivation effect for more damage and healing (which btw probably will heal you back to max hp on raids that hp checks you with join trigger because you can 4 ougi on the first turn with a setup for 4x6000 heal).
Sixth upgrade is stackable c.a. dmg and c.a. dmg cap boosts to all allies which makes your charge attacks basicly stronger as you progress through the raid.
Seventh upgrade is big glory which is boostable (by Varuna) 12.5% c.a. dmg, 6.8% c.a. dmg cap, 14.5% c.b dmg and 6.8% c.b. dmg cap at sl15. On primal this alone is great because you would get 4x these boost but even on magna its better than nothing.
Last upgrade is stat boosts lmao 16 more hp and 187 more atk. Anyways when you use it, you understand it. Even having an unworldly kaneshige that gives everyone 50% c.a. dmg cap alone is a huge upgrade but this weapon is also highly suited for high diff raids. It I think is the best illustrous weapon for the high diff shit because it provides both healing, delay and huge damage boosts.
Wowzer that is an incredibly detailed explanation and does help me see more clearly the minutiae of shishio, thanks for the write up!
I think the main upside of Eresh is the speed and 0 button potential it has. Hraes always requires some amount of buttons which will mess you up if you are outside of japan.
That's a pretty fair point yeah
hrae still have 0 lockout, eresh has 6.8s
I hate the fact that, unlike Hraes and Eresh, Earth is literally unplayable without Hruntling, and the element will probably forever be hostage to this sword
Yeah at this point they have to release classes that don't use swords and are just way better than the sword ones or we need another moon series lol
I thought they were cooking with Futsu in anticipation of future chars/class/voltage/thunderstruck memes but I forgot this is Cygames we're talking about
When I initially chose an illustrious weapon, Hrunting was one of the two that really interested me. Most of the weapon fell in either "Burst" or "FA" category, and Hrunting was the only one that felt like it would be consistent in both of those. While it's not Ereshkigal or Hraesvalgr for burst, it's also not shoehorned into that role like the others and I can just bring it in SUBaha or Hexa with it's consistent damage. And the 250% defense is just... so comfy
Thanks for the list! I got Eresh awhile back and was looking to see thoughts on the other weapons before I consider picking up another. Appreciate all the work you put in!
Shishio in A tier which is a full tier below Ura and and even below Rhomp is absurd imho. Shishio allows one to do end game tier raid content with ease and doesn't require super optimize grid and specific chara besides FLB Hasse to be effective. Like a guy have said, it feels like you are way too focus on burst and damage. I'd personally put Shishio behind Ura and bump Rhomp to highest in the A tier. The reason why I'd bump Rhomp down is because its 40 hits requirement putting restriction on team building + low assassin multiplier making it kinda meh in content that you can't FA + guarantee TA isn't that valuable as wind have a lot of MA buffers and we can potentially have 000 and Halmal in the sub summon slot.
It may be possible that I focused too much on damage in general but I do still kinda stick by my shishio placement now as a non shishio haver. But I'll pose the question since again, I don't have the weapon, do you really feel you NEED to spend 150 gold moons on shishio over just using a kaneshige? Because from what I've seen things like full autoing faa, bubs, belial, mugen; playing harder raids like hexa, and subhl manually it seemed like water players were doing just fine without shishio although shishio does give a gain and can make things comfier. That in conjunction with the fact if you're using kengo which I've seen the weapon mostly be used for the playstyle isn't that different from kaneshige which got shishio its ranking in my eyes. The only place I can see that shishio may vastly outperform kaneshige atm is when trying to solo hexa and maybe subhl? But I feel like that use case is so small that it wasn't worth raising the weapon higher, but maybe that's just me
Most "pro" players pnly focus on burst , same promblem with wiki tier list, if is not burst player is kinda hard to get a spot on tier 10.
Shishio is a great weapon and tier oever rhomp
Eh B is fair, the only raid it truly makes easy mode is Belial. If you're a good player it doesn't really make your life that much easier. Most endgame players care about burst. You get your honors and get out. I have Shishio, Hrunting, Eresh, and Ura for perspective. Don't have Romp, probably never will. I'd put them both B.
lmao you don't use rhomp for assasin passive, it's shit anyway on itself. but it's really for turning mc into another attacker
you glorified shishio too much, kengo wet can do just fine in normal hexa. you can say that it will allow you to solo but can you immediately do it after you buy it? where else can you use it after that?
meanwhile rhomp and ura can do burst setups and hl contents just fine. you can even tier gw with those which shishio can't.
you successfully talked me out of wanting to get andromeda, so you're the salvation of at least 150 gms!
Last year I ranked in top 80k on dark GW without Eresh, back when the biggest honor inflation in recent memory happened. I did old school RS burst and it was some of the most painfull GW experience I had. I got Eresh 2 months after GW and I never want to go back. Eresh is often called "human rights" weapon, and honestly, it very much is. In a game where 90% of the content is very short burst farming and trying to optimize setups to require as little buttons as possible, having a weapon that enables basically 0 interaction from your MC, in element where some of the best auto-attackers are, it is invaluable. Mechanically yeah, it kinda falls off in longer content, though it is possible to do super ultimate bahamut dark dps with it and preform really well. It's basically QoL, easy plug and play option that is relevant to most forms of mundane farming this game has to offer. Hrunt and Hraes are technically better, have higher peaks, but the utility Eresh offers is invaluable.
Anyways I'm 7 gold moons away from getting Hrunt, I can't wait to have rights to play dirt again. Buying dirt herc was the worst decision of my gbf career.
Baited by salt like the rest of us? 😂
@@Ajt500 yeah lol
only time it was useful was for farming diaspora back during its launch
ppl here should understand that tier list are made based on how much you'd get from spending 150 moons on each wep
what can you do after you buy shishio? solo hexa? then what next?
meanwhile rhomp and ura, while not being able to solo hexa, can do hexa just fine, do burst setups, and tier gw.
and between shishio and rhomp/ura, rhomp and ura can bar farm way way better than shishio
also expanding on rhomp/ura hexa,
ura can do hexa and it's way better than using yamato
rhomp can do hexa just fine, not much of an upgrade from kengo coz kengo rn is just a braindead comp and so much comfy. but as other eles improves, wind will start shifting away from kengo like what they did on subhl
Futsunomitama - I actually see this weapon used with the Tormentor and it's one of the fastest setups in Faa0. They use something similar to Subaha's mashing setup with Mugen/Bunny/Lucio.
For instance, the guy did 3,2b in a 8 minutes faa0 run. It may not be the fastest run for sure but he was still really fast with that setup.
Even if Shishio theoretically has weaker ougi count compared to kaneshige, in practice that isn't really the case, since with dog+haase you have more than enough bar to 6-7 chain every single turn. Also, cannot understate how powerful the base 3k heal on ougi is, shishio provides an unmatched level of sustain, allowing you to hyper-carry in hard raids no matter how hard they hit
Great video! Im coming up on 300 moons and ive been considering going primal and getting those gm weapons so the next video idea you mentioned is also something ill be looking forward too.
As someone with hrunting as a magna player (planning to go primal after im done building my first primal which is light) I can say the weapon still feels very good and makes me enjoy the game a ton more than if I didnt have it. In my mind the way I see it is, if I already love the element and weapon then its gonna go crazy when I eventually go primal on it
Edit: and like you said in the video, I don´t think it has ever left my grid since I got it I can legit just use it anywhere I love it
grid?
This was really helpful in giving me an idea of which weapons I would want to buy. I had 450 gold moons and I felt like using them on something and the first weapon I got before seeing an in depth video was Eresh, which, I will say, is a really good farming weapon. I am not an earth main(though I am trying to invest into being one), but it does look like Hrunting is almost a must buy, especially from how others are talking about it, definitely something that's gonna be on my mind. Now as for the water weapon, despite being a water main, and despite the weapon being good, I do not have the grid for that, I am just gonna pretend I do not see it until I either pull more Wamdus, or just wait to get some dama bars.
If there is anything I am curious about seeing as a tierlist, it would be an ultimate mastery tier list, as I am wondering what would be the best classes to focus on first regarding that. Sometimes it takes a while to get enough of the materials to reach mastery 6 as a semi casual(?) player.
That ultimate mastery tier list is a good idea but that sounds like another long one so I'm not sure when I'll be able to get to it if I do, but in the meantime depending on if you use these jobs or not I would recommend berserker, spartan, chaos ruler, luchador, apsaras, chrysaor, lumberjack, monk, kengo and glorybringer
@@Ajt500 Thank you so much for the recommendation!
-200 bar gain is pretty negligible on dark as well, you don't have any chara that want to ougi anyway, and the amp and auto cap is huge on an ele that just wants to auto.
also you can zerk and have splitting spirit to add turns of burst
like for example, cosmos terrorist setup does burst for like 7-9T, but you can argue that using yamato/chaos ruler is much better on this raid given how desolate the raid is😅😂
for the skill cap hit, there's not much charas doing skill nukes anyway. and if you're using fed+bowman the agonize on your grid will compensate for it.
it's real con is that unlike hrunting, you can't just use it on raids like hexa. but for everything else it's super great
Good to know for the future because I'm going to be getting acquainted real soon lol
I'd really love to get a Blazing Mistral because I like fire and nukes but it's really hard to justify. It's a great fun weapon (imo) but it's not competitive at all, specially if you compare it to the greater Illustrious.
A few points to add about it: the DATA buffs are supposedly very low so they shouldn't be an issue. However they can be extremely harmful because if the boss already has buffs and you ougi, these new buffs will go on top, covering the boss's buffs and making it harder to dispel them. The other thing is that the S2 is the type of skill that would force you into using niche subpar characters (like Barawa, although that combo seems SUPER fun) but thankfully, whether it was intentional or not, fire has some top tier characters like Zeta on Wilnas that can dispel a lot.
Mistral might have a chance to shine a bit harder with raids like LuciHL on release, where spartan was used a lot, or maybe Apsaras row5. Until then...
Gonna listen to that during work like a podcast lol
You're the reason I bought Hrunting 10 months ago when I watch your Hrunt vs Andromeda video. Now we are back with another GM weap video, what decisions will I do this time? (I love my Hrunt. Also got my Eresh. Would love a Hraes, but my Water Grid is very sad.)
1:07:06 I gotta say I disagree heavily with the entire assessment of this weapon, but most notably this assertion that Noa renders the weapon needless. While you don't need any of these weapons, as someone who mains fire, this weapon has GREATLY extended my capabilities and has provided a very tangible and noticeable boost to performance in harder raids. Wind Switch is an exceptionally strong mechanic on a weapon that both liberally applies and protects it, to the point where I've begun running Wind DMG Reduction EMPs and Passives on characters like Satyr. The weapon can make you unkillable; you can pretty brainlessly mash in Siete and even SUBaha with Michael, and it provides significant flexibility in what skills you're allowed to take to clear omens or provide party support. It also provides a lot of damage, and while looping full-chains isn't as seamless as Kaneshige, you'll barely notice a difference in ougi output. The chain-extension passive on the weapon also didn't go nearly in-depth enough about what that means for the classes you use it on, or even for activating the line of text right beneath it on the same skill. Having Kengo's ML20 passive permanently active as a 5-chain, or having UM Chrysaor provide extra auto nukes; both of these are significant factors into the weapon's performance that aren't quantified in the the weapon's stats. You don't immediately see these boons outside of the sheer damage when you plug-and-play it in lower difficulty content, but the more I have stress-tested the weapon, the more it has surprised me in just how capable it truly is. If you main fire, even if you have Holiday Noa, I implore you to look into the weapon more to see if it's right for you, I cannot recommend it enough.
I agree, his take on this weapon was terrible lol
Eresh can be used in practically anything, from story events, Replicard, bar farming, to bullet farming; nearly every aspect of the game can utilize Eresh. Eresh's 0-button feature provides real value that Hraesvalgr doesn't offer, and Eresh can work with any character. The better the character, the more damage you will deal. However, Hraes can't function optimally without characters such as Lucio, who is extremely difficult to obtain these days. While Hraes can 2-turn Bubs tier raids, there are really no significant benefits, in my opinion, as material drops will be relatively the same with Eresh. There's no point in soloing these raids. Personally, I'd rank Eresh in first place, then Hrunting, and Hraes in third, purely because of the difficulty and characters you need to make that weapon work. That's just my opinion.
You mostly don't play lucio at all with hrae nowadays unless you are doing huge execute work in subhl, hrae have access to fast setup with dragon, cow ect, hrae have less lockout than eresh, and has more burst potential, I still own eresh but both have very solid arguments, I think I could have got away with hrae and no eresh tbh
@@Loleyke hraes require lot more investment, you'd still need characters and bullets . Where as eresh can work with pretty any dark character these days with abundance of good dark suptix and limited characters. Another thing is that if you running a raid where everyone else is using eresh, you'd likely won't get chance to do burst with hraes unless you have JP Ping.
@@fodspeed if you have a scuffed setup with eresh it will be as bad as a bad hrae setup tbh, you still need some limited, worked in six and having a good quantity of grand weapons, also the part with eresh Vs hrae isn't true even if you have 300 ms hrae is potentially faster because of the 0 lockout factor (and that 1 turns on hrae is often equal to 2-3 turns on eresh), I still feels eresh lockout (6.8s) with 300ms
bullets aren't that bad tbh
@@Loleyke in my experience - I've got just one PNS and no bubs, but my Eresh holds up just fine. I'm doing comparable damage and taking same amount of turns for bar farming or replicard. With so many weapons available, you can easily substitute for a grand weapon, whether it's Revans, Awakening, GW, or Dark Opus transcend. Even a not-so-great grid works surprisingly well. What really matters are the characters - and you don't necessarily need Seox at 150; there are plenty of alternatives.
Eresh's requirements are way easier to meet compared to Hraes for similar performance. Hraes has other complexities; for instance, to bring out Haase, you're stuck with either Baha as support or main summon,or mains summon yatima (untixable summon) and wasting a summon slot on death. Or you wait a turn to bring her out. Hraes also demands a lot of bullet farming, sharing mats with Opuses now - a minor drawback. Eresh shines in zero-button setups, where Hraes falls short.
Sure, Hraes might be the damage king, but when it comes to usability and quality of life, Hrunting and Eresh outshine it - unless you're ready to invest heavily into water to make Hraes comparable or even better in some niche cases.
You don't really use haase in most cases with hrae tho, most setups use cow / zeta + X, you could also get away with full auto deactivating everything except open fire to deal great dmg with virtually 0B, the grid is fairly budget friendly (eliminate the need of any pns or suppl weapons) as you only really need 3 umbrella, 1 murgleis with cage is a plus but you can get away with NWF weapons, I actually run eresh too but I could have got away with just playing hrae in most scenarios imo, the drawback of both weapons is the lack of flexibility for harder content, I think both are equal and if you miss 2nd pns and multiples ES it's still kinda scuffed as would perform an average hrae grid (if you have 000 for your eresh setup I guess it's fine)
I think getting both kinda clash tho, unless you wanna rank a lot in both gw, that's why I will prob buy hrunting next time as the weap as more flexibility
@@fodspeed
A 2 hour video released right as I'm about to go to bed...
You absolute legend. Got something to look forward to. Will edit my comment once I finish this later.
Heckin fantastic video my guy. I know from your announcement vid you said you don't do this for a profit but I feel bad for the amount of effort and time put in without giving something.
It's all good my dude simply watching is all the thanks I need and means a lot so thanks for the support!
I just a correction on Ereshkigal. It doesn’t need 200 for ogi. I use with berserker 1st move and splitting spirit for 5 turn double strike 😊
But what happens AFTER turn 5!?
A 2 hour video from ajt, perfect to help me preserving my sanity during the sandbox grind for my boy caim
1:22:04 😭😭😭
Unrelated to the main topic of the video but,
I'm more of a spear guy myself, it's only the most prevalent weapon in history and has been invented indepently in most cultures because sharp pointy object on a long stick is both simple and effective
The only Illustrious Weapon I made was Zosimos, because I am down bad for Summer Magisa lol.
Your assessment of it was fair, and im just glad you didnt put it in Murcielago tier. I'm kind of a casual player and just like seeing big click damage with Manadiver and Magisa, and it works really well for my very basic needs. :}
If there's one thing im not sure on what to do with the weapon, its whether or not to use Overtrance with it. Normally I run Secret Triad/Wild Magicka/Flex but Overtrance would allow you to get the most milage out of its ougi skill cut stuff. But idk the former setup just feels more comfy to me.
Its ougi spam helping with the healing and crest generation as well as turn cutting mc with nukes does seem like it could be good but maybe unnecessary and slow. Maybe good for something that's not super long but you could utilize the sustain and buffs in like maybe a gw full auto?
I agree with the general ranking of the weapons but I feel like for Hrunt the con of the damage over time is sort of overblown. For the longest and hardest fights we have in the game (SUBHL and Hexa) you basically take 0 damage with a normal Earth setup and the majority of the issues are around clearing non-damage omens or not having teammates die. Since Earth has so much innate damage resistance (Thanks Caim) and a ton of passive healing (Especially in the days of 250 Luci) the downside of Hrunting hardly even matters.
100% Agreed with Hunting. The other S tiers are only good for short burst setups but Hunting is basically good for everything.
Generally, quite a fair assessment, however I'd say you're missing a big point on futsu. Futsu currently is in a bad spot not because of bad weapon skills, but because of there being no meta characters to apply thunderstruck, the only one being monika who is for all intents and purposes a backline character for futsu with her passive 2. You can see Futsu being used to maximum potential on tormentor hexa where mc is dishing out 10m+skd per turn.
Another thing you might want to take into account is grid space. As more grands are released, even the mainhand slot is affected, and illustrious without a decent 3rd skill, such as zosimos, get harder to slot in. Ura/Eresh/Hrae are generally unaffected as one of their skill is effectively 30 auto amp, so they work to the benefit of grid condensation/space management.
Current example is how Ura with big fandango is how light/hmugen can reach 100ta without sacrificing dmg in grid for bhl farming.
Zosimos though, outside of FA content, there's hardly much of a use-case scenario where 1 crest gain+ 1k heal is worth a slot, especially when exaltos weps gets added into the dark grand pool.
And on the matter of Higurashi versus Shishio, Higurashi is ultra defensive, to the point that its unnecessary and you hurt your dpt in terms of getting enough singed stacks for percival to start doing work. Shishio, though offers less charge bar than Kaneshige, has access to Haase, which offsets the detriment of that weapon skill.
I think for the futsu and zosimos sections I did address the concerns that you brought up 😅, but yes you are correct. And that singed part of higurashi is true but I'd argue that this will happen with any mc mainhand outside of percivals sword since no other weapon gives you singed on ougi, or just using an ougi comp in general. But I have seen some chrysaor comps starting to pop up where you could wield higurashi and percys sword to get both effects if singed is a concern
Ngl putting Rhom and Ura above shishio was insanely shocking to me. I think you might have focused way too much on dmg and not so much the utility over at least some of the weapons esp when you compared things to easier alternatives. Makes me feel a bit like you rated them more for the NEED rather than how good they are themselves in the places they are used for.
Still great vid since I barely agree with most of the placements.
Yeah I do think you hit closer to my thoughts where I thought about the need for something. When I looked at the cost of 150 gold moons the way I saw it is yes shishio is good but I don't see it as so good of an upgrade over a kaneshige that I'd raise its tier higher especially since kaneshige is a free weapon. Yes shishio may be more comfy or the optimal choice but 9.9 times out of 10 I feel like you can just accomplish what it does with a kaneshige and use your moons elsewhere
that's what the tier list is for, and seeing the cost of each wep, you'd get much more return from ura and rhom than shishio
rhom and ura can pretty much be used for burst and hl content. ura is used on hexa and subhl.
meanwhile rhom is also used on both but not much ppl on use it on hexa because wind kengo is just comfier. but in time when everyone else gets stronger, wind will start going away from kengo like what happened to subhl
and yes, both rhom and ura is way better than their alternatives
now tell me, where else can we use shishio other than hexa and soloing raids?
@@noname-uu6ol A tier list is only based on the criteria the maker bases it on. A tier list can be made on how good something is and still not mean that its a priority on which to get. I don't think Ajt specified the criteria outside of pros/cons/mixed, which leaves it pretty vague.
Many people agree that stuff like shisho is insanely strong and does much more than kaneshige as far as dmg while having hard sustain, but because hard content is only like 1% of content and there are alternatives naturally people wouldn't put it to a priority. The weapon is used to literally solo carry the current endgame and most likely every other endgame fight going forward by itself and he put it under 3 weapons that couldn't. That alone makes it quite insane and above those weapons. Feels like he just plced it lower because its a katana cause kaneshige and not so much the actual things the weapon brings now and going forward, esp after his water gun point he made about future bullets.
Hrunting at the top? Earth biaaas... tho I kinda felt the same too. It's just so usable~ I've seen the explosive power of the other 2 weapons with bursty crew runs like in Babu and Beli. I can't really do anything during those 2 moments. Other content tho, I feel pretty dang powerful with hrunting > : 3
The sword is mightier than the pen! Wait I think I got that wrong...
Well, the sword is ranked higher than the dark book which would use a pen xD
Great video. I agree that Andromeda would be amazing for Rising Force if not for the big ass CA reactivation issue they seriously need to fix that shit you could be literally at 199% and boom goes your supposedly 99% down the drain and now you can hardly ougi the next turn unless you have a heavy battery oriented team like Benjamin + Monika + Satyr or Caim which might be ok but completely restricts the weapon lol I'm still maybe gonna get it tho just either cope for better harp classes in the future or maybe they will fix that CA reactivation issue hopefully 😷
This also might force you to put +Charge Bar summons just for safety in turns where you screw up without reaching 100% or 200% bar so gotta sacrifice some Providence summon slots 😂
@@Vizefon Yep this is exactly how it goes and a lot of the times if I'm trying to play on full auto it's very hard to line these up exactly when you need so it's just a mess
I think a lot of people are looking at shishio and placing a lot of value on the fact that water with shishio can solo HH without realizing that there is literally no reason to solo HH other than personal achievement, if you can do your responsibilities with unsigned then why bother spending 150 gold moons other than progging the fight day 1 to be as strong as possible.
If soloing belial on water is that important, you could just as easily do it with s. Shalem with the anniversary ticket rather than 150 gold moons, or you could just leech pug belials that all fall over instantly from the 5 relic busters and soldiers who burst them down in an instant
Even from a "non burst damage" perspective, Shishio is nowhere near as versatile as any of the weapons above it
You summed up my thoughts perfectly, this is exactly what I mean. Thanks for your comment!
Soloing hh means you have insane leeway when not soloing. Especially when you have a certain degree of rng in your party and/or it's just not as good to clear every omen cause you lack critical character or grid pieces. The crazy sustain you get from Shishio lets you do mistakes while learning AND carry your team when you lack every tool all those youtube vids or your crew members do. I still do mistakes on it and shishio saves me from using pots and lets me carry hh after 40 for longer even if I screwed up before (more than once too) - no way I'd be able to do that with Kaneshige without rest of the team having to pull much more weight.
That said I wouldnt consider the weapon for people who do lack water resource because overall, it's a weapon for water "mains". If w/e new raid comes up you naturally dont gravitate towards water then dont bother with it.
@@mrcinos275 I completely agree with the strengths you have listed and can see how it's a strong weapon. The immense sustain you can get from it is insane, and I can 100% see it as a worthwhile investment for a water player who really enjoys the high level content in the game and is going to be using it regularly when playing.
I was only outlining that the majority of content in the game, even for a water player, isn't going to be making much use of Shishio.
The value of it when compared to 7 damascus (if you're in need to upgrade your grid), the optimus uncap globes depending on transcendence strength coming out, a siero tix for a providence summon, or a more high priority weapon like Hrunting considering earth is near unplayable in most content without it, is a much better use of resources.
Even with the leeway of soloing so much on HH, if someone can't clear a pearl the entire lobby leaves anyway, and I don't know whether or not water can do the last 15% solo with a pearl still up. That being said, it does 100% provide value and is a very strong weapon in the content that it is good for, it's just not nearly as all encompassing as what 150 gold moons could get you instead
As someone contemplating getting a second weapon, this has been helpful, thanks!
Fantastic resource! If you made a video talking about your thoughts when transitioning to primal that would be hugely appreciated, been playing for not that long and currently only play primal fire but thinking of transitioning my light to primal this year, and hearing a more experienced player's thoughts on how/what that looks like would be hugely valuable to someone like me.
I'm just theorizing I ain't spendin gold moons on an illustrious right now but Blazing Mistral is one of those weapons that seems like if you don't have the characters don't bother even consider getting it period, specifically people who dispel on ougi or reset a skill that can or people who auto activate a dispel under conditions like Michael (because she gains stacks when people ougi and its an ougi effect so thats immediately 1 stack when it applies the buff to the enemy) so you still make it in that window let you get the most use out of it, but if you do have those characters already (which hopefully you do by the time you get 150 gm) I feel like its one of the easier FA weapons for that same reason though but maybe thats just me, . Its also definitely made with the intention of being a cavalier weapon because of battering ram synergy. Luckily a lot of the dispel characters are actually really good like Michael and ZetaG and Elmott, and we just got Katsuki from my hero event as a freebie.
Edit: People who reset skills on ougi in generally actually work towards that even if they don't dispel because of the blazing mistrals skill 1, so the pool of characters that can be used with it are slightly more diverse. The thing that makes blazings skill 2 not awful is that it doesn't specify fire ally skill needing to be the thing that dispels.
I feel murcielago is better than the fire spear and light dagger, murcielago can tribialize some fights like belial, and help a ton in hard content, while the other two are a bit more damage sometimes i guess, don't do a new things that you couldn't before.
Narcotune who helped me with murcielago questions did say they enjoyed using it but I'm still pretty hesitant on it myself lol. But more power to you and it definitely is a unique playstyle
Hrunting is so good that Dirt MC should be rank at 10 Gamewith just to fill the void and make Uriel less lonely in there
2 hours for a tier list. What a chad
Ive been thinking about Illustrious weapons lately because I'm probably going to hit 150 moons again after anni. Having bought Hrunting, the obvious next choice was Eresh, but with all the recent changes thats kind been brought into question for me. On the last video you linked a World burst with Hrunting that works perfectly for me, just as fast as Eresh would be. If I want to gold brick farm, now I can just spark Catura, who I want anyway. And if I want to do PBHL instead, well I'm close to finishing Alanaan. My earth can already 0b every 3 bar node and 2 turn every Defender in sandbox. So I've realized....do I even have anything I need Eresh for?? I could argue GW, but then I could just as well get Hraes for water GW.
Listening to the video at work, so haven't gotten to the Eresh part yet. Hoping your insight will help me decide when the time comes
Also: respect the AI:TSF music
The things you've mentioned are the exact same reasons I've waited so long to get eresh as well. People tout its qol which I wholeheartedly agree with but if you have other elements built its effectiveness goes down and down outside of just boosting your dark for dark specific things
what do you think about buying ereshkigal today? i feel like its value keeps dropping because of things like not being the fastest in bar farm or others stuff, but do you think its still as good as it used to be or even value increase since ex+ went to 35m?
@@Aiskreim As someone who actually bought eresh recently I'd say nowadays I'd probably swap it with hrae in my original placement, dark is still pretty fast in bar raids tbh and eresh brings a lot of qol for quick setups for various encounters, I just think you need more investment in dark to make it shine than you did on release
The only way I can describe the weapons r tough risks with high rewards, some r broken and others felt they've held back a bit on their full potential but overall not a bad list
I feel this review is too heavily leaning on "damage". Feedback: An improved tier-list of weapons should take into account the necessary pre-requisites to make use of said weapon to the fullest. Lastly, the element of the weapon matters more than not, class accessibility etc. In order to maximise the usefulness of Hraes for instance, you do need certain characters and an insane farm of bullets that many people aren't/won't be able to get. Whereas other weapons do not have this high entry barrier to maximise their usefulness. I know you know what I mean, and it's not easy to rank weapons. In that spirit, I personally would rate Hraes as the 1st A-tier and we can agree to disagree :), Eresh as S is fine (out-of-the-box machine), and Shishio as the last A tier instead of B. My 2 cents :)
Oh nooooo we're not doing this again LOL. But yes I do get what you mean maybe it was too focused on damage. And yeah I agree on hraesvalgrs pre reqs, it's one of the reasons I'm not getting it myself, but I do still think it's power at the highest investment is definitely still worth S
@@Ajt500 I'll sleep well tonight knowing we disagree ;)
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to make use of shishio, you'd need almost the same amount of stuff you need for hrae, minus the bullet.
you can say that you can have cope grid for both, but their usefulness in the end isn't the same. there's not much stuff you can do with shishio, like it's really only hexa for now where it shines the most.
whereas, you can sand and bar farm using hrae. plus you can do gw
I can't wait for the 2:08 Director's Cut
As an earth main I already have hrunting, do you ever regret getting andromeda?
At this point not really anymore, I kinda did when I first got it a long while ago but now I'm kinda over it. I'm an omega whale though so I have a very large influx of gold moons to kind of pay for what I lost and still get other weapons, and after ura there was nothing else I HAD to have so I probably would've bought it anyway especially since not being able to test it would've driven me crazy lol.
So nah I don't really regret it even though its uses are limited
Imo Shishio should be a bit higher, it make hexa and probably faa2 a breeze, you said it gives less bar than kaneshige, but water have access to the best bar bot in the game (haaselia, vajra bar gain), you can consistently loop with it and you can actually play it with something else than kengo (yamato/onmyouji), also I wouldnt say "nothing impressive" about the weap when you can litteraly heal between 14-21K hp per turn while still having an unworldly modifier (up to 18M ougi in V2), the problem with the weap is just that it's locked to hardcore content rn, not much versatility but insane in hard content
shishio. middle of the pack. but needed for solo hexa :kek: not mentioning the opop chrysaor for hrunting either ! smh
can you immediately do solo hexa when you buy it? no, and where else can you use it? lol
@@noname-uu6ol you say that like he didnt place water gun at the top when you need to farm bullets to even use it effectively. All his points were definitely under the assumption you have everything you need as usually a person wouldn't grab an illustrious unless they were alrdy heavily invested in an element.
@@Ty_Jac yes because that's how it is for every illustrious weps anyway. you can't just go and buy shishio and expect to be able to solo hexa without the proper stuffs for it
the only wep that is usable and great with minimum stuffs is eresh
hrae is top because after you farm bullets, you can bar farm, sand farm, tier gw. and shishio can't even do that
@@noname-uu6ol that depends on you buddy. and what you got. its a shitload of healing so you can use it to solo/FA shit your normally couldnt. figure it out for yourself.
@@kevingraham4736 what raids you would need to solo in the first place?
in the time your shishio solo a proto bahamut hl, I'll be able to farm tons of pubs and have more chance of getting more bars. same as mugen, and same as gw, I'll be able to do more nm honors and get more valors
see, im getting tons of returns in forms of bar, sands, and valor for that 150 moon that I spent. rather than just getting heals to be able to solo something I shouldn't even bother soloing
and that's is what tier list is made for, the rating of how useful and how much returns you'll get for spending your precious moons
Since we have all evokers flb would be nice to see how their tier list changed with it
this video make me want to buy hrunting rn, even though im still using caim highlander grid
the real con of rhomp is not the 40hit req, but the 1time assassin on it. you cast a dmg summon and surprise it's spent now 😅😂
and another con is that apsa being the best dps class, forcing you to equip spear/axes. and wind being wind have daggers, swords and fist on grid lmao. wind draco ain't even an axe even if it almost looks like one.
and even if you force it on extra grids, you're stuck with mediocre options since wind nwf is neither axe/spear as well
I am an earth diehard and a water hater ™️ but shishio imo is, in practice, an S or at least an A. You compare a kaneshige player's performance against a shishio player in Hexa and the whole damage team wide is ridiculously higher (those buffs and the unworldly on MC going hard I suppose) and the ability to just mash harder with the surprisingly fat heals every turn (often twice) and delay which may or may not hit. There's the potential bar gain you raised but it doesn't seem to be an issue when I see some dumbass water pleb honour gapping my beloved earth team or wind when I'm playing hooky.
It doesn't do anything cool like some of the other weapons but the results are hard to argue with imo. In terms of actual value I don't see it being an investment that a water player would suddenly find undermined (like you raise with the higurashi vs noa who is a great slot regardless).
Also love the extra extra long video so comfy 😂
See but that's still kind of my issue yes it's extremely potent in harder content like hexa but that's about it, sure it may be very hard to creep in hexa because it will be harder to make a burstier setup in a fight like that but I've already seen something like a warlock build for hexa that also performs extremely well. And if water were to get a character like noa but that instead gave a ridiculous amount of heals and defense buffs sure you could use shishio and that character together but like higurashi you'd probably drop shishio before the character.
Then going down from hexa yes in something like subhl/faa/belial/bubs/mugen it's still extremely useful but would you really want to spend 150 gold moons on this when you could play with a kaneshige for this same type of playstyle or use those moons on hraesvalgr and do something completely new and much faster? And then for your general content like atum/wilnas do you really want to spend 150 gold moons on this when you could use a kaneshige or just play manadiver?
All these things compound together in my head to bring down shishio because 150 gold moons is a lot to me when for the vast majority of content there are better, similar, or faster options you could utilize for the same cost or much lower.
Also glad you liked the length but this may he around my limit LOL
Are any of these worth attempting to use in magna grids? I currently have a zeus and a hades setup, and have all the pieces that you'd normally want for a titan setup, albeit lacking in the damascus to uncap everything. I saw a couple of your videos that you've done magna hrunting, but the only one I've really done here is hades eresh for obvious reasons.
Yeah hrunting I've been looking into a lot and I do think it's pretty viable but I would caution that you really want like everything available to you if you're playing purely magna notably for harder content because magna atm lacks hp and defense without caim backline, so you want things like your nwf weapons, celestial weapon, some sieg weapons you can make defense (mk2 not required), nameless, to name a few. But just for general use it's definitely very good even in magna.
You already talked about eresh but eresh is still useful, I hesitate on hrae because you can most likely make it work but it may be more worth to just use the exo gun and save the moons. I think higurashi and shishio could probably see some use if you really wanted them for hard content but idk if I'd get those if I was magna. The rest idk if I'd recommend
@@Ajt500 That's fair, I'm close to finishing caim's nwf weapon so I think I might be able to make it work out. I agree with a lot of your assessments, though: Hraes, I don't think I can reasonably take enough advantage of to use it properly, despite having characters like s.lucio to make relic buster bursting kinda work, and while higurashi and shishio both look great...at the same time, kaneshige does like 90% of what they do well, making them feel not as useful.
Part of me has considered getting Ura for the upcoming light GW, but imo that's a massive investment for a somewhat niche choice. I do have like 500-something gold moons lying around though, so I might pick up hrunting at least. Thanks for the reply!
For the Hrunting part, does Skull and Balurga’s weapon not count as dot damage? Just curious since I don’t have them and their weapon
No it doesn't, theirs is like ura's hp cut just 20% instead of 40% so you just take a 20% hit at the start of the fight and that's it
@@Ajt500 well that sucks, was hoping it'd be considered dot damage. Guess we're not getting echo in turn 1 unless it's raid start gimmick
Main issue with this weapons are grids... Like in water and earth... :(
Thank you once again Helo, ure the James Cameron of GBF
Hey, which summon do you think i should sierotix first for hexa raid. Is it bubz, yatima or 000? because I only have lucifer and bahamut
Firstly I'd wait for anniversary free rolls before sierotixing any of those. 2nd I wouldn't sietotix any of these specifically for hexa but instead look at them from a general use standpoint. But if I had to pick one it'd probably be bubs
@@Ajt500alright thanks, i'll wait for anniversary then. Love watching your vids
Did not expect the lenght of this lol
hi wanted to ask this on twitter dms because its a general question but ig u cant dm anymore unless u have premium lol. anyways i was wondering if you find extremity better than the skill amp key on light opus when mainhanding ura despite the caveat that ura alone caps NA amp? i feel like having the extra cap and data seems better than the other keys still but wanted a second opinion (and i dont believe extremity counts as special amp?)
Oh I didn't know about the twitter thing with dms because my dms are open but also feel free to just ask whatever questions about whatever on any video, I don't care if the question doesn't have to do with the video lol.
But I did just try with my ura and normal attack faa0 key and the auto attack key IS indeed a special type called NA amp special, so yeah I don't think it's worth to use the skill damage one at least not in your standard burst/full auto type stuff
@@Ajt500 oh sweet then yeah ig its just always extremity angle unless very specific setup tyvm for testing. as for twitter i think u need to go in ur settings and specifically allow non premium users to dm u, elon made that garbage default without asking anyone....
thank you!
@@neirusalwa Done, thanks
dmn, got spooked by the kamakuras theme 💀
Better be glad I put a fade in and lowered the volume for the start because that intro sound would've really given you a fright 😂
2h special let's goooo
Hey, i kinda want to ask your opinion on hrunting rn.
So here's the situation, i have 3 galleon staff build already, and 2 earth pns ready to be bar'ed, caim is on the way and i think will be ready on anniv, which means i have untill anniv to think my decision
The main thing i dont have is the core burst character
I dont have kukuru/sandal/olivia. The 3 main burst of the current hrunting burst party. And i am a free player, which means i probably cant take them with tix and anniv tix.
Also, on another note, i do have a light primal grid ready to be bar'ed, but if i pick hrunting and some bars for my uri fist, that light grid probavly will be kinda forced to stay as magna as i do need some bars from GM to bar my light grid (2 harmo, 2 nehan harp, 2 noa, and 1 cosmos atm, no lu woh yet sadly)
Which do you think should prio? Please throw the fact that a light GW is incoming coz i think i will still be able to do fine even with my current spec~
Well firstly before anything I'd probably wait till anni to make a decision, but are you implying that your gold moons will be used on either hrunting or bars for light? Because I would definitely say hrunting over trading gold moons for bars.
But if that's not the case I think I'd probably still say hrunting in your case unless you just really like light and want to start investing hard. You already said you can get by during gw without going primal and having no lu woh fists puts you behind and there will likely be another character and weapons for light come anniversary in preparation for their gw which will put you further behind.
Not having cucu/sandy/olivia does suck but you can make do, cucu sees use mostly only in diaspora and some ubhl full auto. Sandy is good for burst off ele though this is true but he is a grand so you could aim to spark him. Olivia is also very good but I think you can make do without her as well although you may not be able to be as experimental as other people with her.
But all this being said hrunting is still the core of earth at the moment so if you're wanting to play the element even somewhat seriously I'd recommend it, but again wait until anniversary and keep thinking it over and watch for what is revealed then
@@Ajt500 alright, noted, and yes, my GM will go to either bars or hrunting. I already am kinda leaning into hrunting after talking it out with my crew, but just in case i wanted an opinion from someone who actually owns it.
I already am planning to grab sandal somewhat soon so itll be usable for pbhl/any other GB hunt raid, Since i dont really have any other build for 2m honor there. Which is the biggest reason i'm already leaning towards hrunting in the first place...
Anyway, As expected ill wait till my caim is actually ready to go before hitting the no return button. Thanks for answering!
have u tried andromeda with elysian um ? i think its kinda good
I have not, not really sure what I'd use it for
Ain't no way mans really did it. 😅 Yeah ima need a meal for this one.
Hrunting all the way!
onmyoji can save fuitso right /pray
hey man, i want to ask, either i should siero babu summon or go for eresh?
That depends on you. Can you use those things to your advantage in a meaningful way?
Eresh is very good if you have the grid and are willing to put in the time to bar farm with it or go hard on a dark gw.
Bubs is also generally useful everywhere.
150 moons however is a lot and depending on where you are at in the account progression you might get your Bubs naturally before reaching endgame where he is really able to shine.
You can farm a lot of things without bubs and many raids will still bar you from entry even with him if you lack the proper roster of characters.
The ideal way to play GBF is to just hoard resources until you know for sure that you are going to put them to good use.
We could always get a new set of GM weapons or something like the Flugen setup which completely changes the meta and makes past investments meaningless.
as much of a qol eresh gives, i recommend bubz more since he's just a big improvement to all your element whereas eresh only improves dark
@@luminous3558 Thanks for the concern but im not new to this.
Im leaning toward getting babu for the overall gameplay too@@Stujieee96
bubz is human rights
I have both futso and higurashi. Should I just kms?
I'm an ugly fist hater so you have a vote from me
LOL NAH WE GONNA MAKE IT FAM, HANG IN THERE
man your shishio evaluation is very wrong, hopefully when you get it someday, you will finallly understand its worth, for me its a solid S, tooo good in end game raid, hexa is easy with it
Shishio can delay on ougi
Eresh was overated and really usefull if you play as fulltime GBF corporation player.
I mean it's for race content if you playing chill not hard as corp well is just waster your GM. You wont get any benefit.
personally I'd rate it as
Eresh tier - Eresh coz it can easily be used by both magna and primal
S+ - Hrunting rating it higher than hrae since dirt is much more sad ele, and you pretty much can use it for everything
S - Hrae simply because it's so strong and busted
A+ - Ura coz of it's wep skill being good, and a lot more versatile than it seems
A - Rhomphaia, I owned it but it really feels lackluster compared to others, also spear class sucks, like if you play apsa you need to have 5 spear/axe and wind doesn't really have a lot of good choices out there. iatro is bad spear class since it's dps is so bad, spartan is nice but only for short burst turns
B - Shishio, Higurashi coz they're mostly situational use like on super hl raids.
C - others, buying them is just like for satisfying yourself with some crazy strat you want to do with it.