Future State | Superman Worlds Of War | Gladiator Superman...Kinda
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Superman (Clark Kent) joins the DC Universe event Future State. This comic crossover event sees the Man of Steel on War World forced to battle under the watchful eye of Mongol...or does it? Back in Smallville a gathering of individuals ponder the legacy of Superman and what he means to them. Did this comic live up to its' cover? What did you think of all the backup issues? Truth, Justice and the bait and switch? Get ready to talk about Superman Worlds Of War here on Casually Comics!
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"Superman please come back! Your son is bottling our cities!"
Yes we need the man of steel back.
Superman: Where's his mom?
Where's his Robin?
Where's his older brother? (Connor Kent)
Yeah poor jon didn't have his edgy teenage years so he is having a late young adult rebellion 😅
@@WannabeWryter EXACTLY....WHERE IS ROBIN??? he would totally tell him to cut the crap...
@@WannabeWryter yeah where is Kon? He was teach jon a lesson
Damn. That line, "Superman didn't save me. Clark Kent did." really gave me the feels. Clark was the heart of Superman in almost every good Superman media I've read and watched. I dig that he's getting some love in this comic.
I one hundred percent agree.
I've always felt that Clark Kent is the true identity and Superman is the mask
@@austindevine3883 I agree. I always disliked the speech that Bill gives in Kill Bill where he calls Clark Kent the disguise.
@@austindevine3883 I think neither are the mask. He is equally as much Clark Kent as he is Superman
"I heard he let his dad die saving a dog in a tornado."
Henry Cavill acts more Superman in his interviews than in any of Zac Snyder's Movies.
"He was also about to be killed by Batman until both of them found out their mothers were called Martha."
"That's what I heard, that's what I am going to tell everybody" lol
I prefer a heart attack since its something he can't control, something outside even his power, teaching him to value life.
"I heard he snapped a guys neck."
The Cover: World War Superman.
The Story: not that at all, but not bad and well drawn.
"I heard Superman pined over Lana Lang for way too long, even when Lex was married to her, and Lois was RIGHT THERE! Yes, that did happen, the scripture was so immortalized that it became the standard logo for the town... We don't talk about Chloe though."
what?
What?
She wasn't an LL
Superman looking...pretty good to my female gaze in this. 👀
same for me from the gay gaze ahahhaahhaa
@@fletcher447 😂
It's the thighs, isn't it?
@@fletcher447 hell yeah dude
@@galio7741 They are extra thick. 🤤
I’m here for the nerd from The Polar Express saying “um actually” in a Superman book.
I always felt being raised by the Kents gave Superman his values and morals. It is what gave him the ability to become the hero he is. In short Superman is Clark's alter ego not vice versa.
This actually made me want to read this Superman comic and almost none of the Supes fam books for Future State were on my radar before. I am more interested in what Lex is up to, tbh. 👀
Lol you know I'm always curious what Lex is doing even when he's making terrible life choices like calling himself Apex Lex
Not really feeling Future state, At LEAST explain what happened after death metal, how did we get to this point in the new timeline
@@chilleffghee2375 what happened after death metal is the present. How they got to the present is Wonder Woman negotiating with the omniverse Gods or something to hard reset the timeline to before Death Metal.
Future State is basically a potential future from the current DC present that is possible thanks to the new wonky timeline/multiverse, and the things that people like about future state will be brought into DC canon somehow.
Top 10 Nerd fam love
@@tonyibraham5931 ❤️
I have always been firmly in the position of "Clark Kent is the most interesting part of Superman" since, from my view, yeah without the identity of Clark Kent: a baby in a basket found on a doorstep, guy who spent the first 20+ years of his life in a small farm town doing dishes and homework and getting grounded for staying out too late on a school night, then became a freaking journalist in a big city, guy who has to deal with his entire culture being dead and being adopted into a new one, without all that Superman is just a guy who punches really damn hard. And dont get me wrong that is cool but it's only cool for like, 5 issues. It really feels like to me the Clark Kent half of the character is really where the Character is. Without him you dont have the same drama in the News Room, the witty snark in the JL, the the emotional connection between hero and civilians, you basically end up with that Superman Expy in Astro City or Metroman from megamind. Most of the narrative drama comes from being "some guy trying live his life who also happens to be Superman"
Anyway I cant wait for the next issue now because damn I want some of that Super Beefcake, I'm hoping for a nice shot of some Greek sculpted cheeks if you know where I'm going.
You know what? I agree. The superfamily all look like greek statues.
Never mind all this. Where's Future State: Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane? I want edgy trophy rooms and weddings, dammit.
This is interesting story... The title was a bit misleading but the story seems pretty interesting.
Seeing these people view and trying to figure out what’s Superman and what happened.
Future State really connective that you need all the stories to both really know and enjoy the story.
Also... I can’t lie these are how I see Superman. But for me... I see him as Power, Kindness, Justice and a bit of Clark.
My view on Superman is basically he represents the Idealized Immigrant Experience in America--he comes from far away, rolls up his sleeves and says, 'Hey, thanks for letting me in....here is what I can do. How can I help?' Clark Kent would do that whether he had powers or not; those powers are just a tool he can use in his efforts to contribute to the betterment of the country.
This is why I think Superman is a much more relevant character than many people think he is, even more so after what we just went through here.
I don't think clark ever wanted to be superman, but he has to since its the right thing to, and that's the morals his parents instilled in him. And even if he lost his powers, he'd still keep fighting to help the world.
I heckin LOVED this issue. It was so refreshing, just felt like Superman again after a lot of... bendis. And even when Clark is being a gladiator, the way it was set up, with Sadie proudly stating that Superman is more than his powers and Mongul introducing him as depowered, and Clark protecting that alien in battle and AHH it gave me chills. Loved it. This is Superman ya’ll. Jon needs to learn a lot from his father lmao
This is the only type of "Superman deconstruction" that appeals to me.
I also don't mind the cover, not only because the whole Gladiator thing will happen soon, but because it kinda tricks fans who love Superman because action stuff into thinking deeper about the character.
Love the Krytonian pose. The subtleties of alien culture. 😊
I will say, the art truly is beautiful !!
I honestly thought we were gunna get a future state version of superman:exile. I did like the various people and their interpretations and the different conspiracies of where superman is and what he means to them. Its kinda nice to see the myriad of views of the people and how symbols become percieved. I like when Superman stories go into how he impacts people, his own moral convictions and him solving problems without punching when it isn't necessary. Its one of the reason I like Superman comics. I wanna feel Tomasi and Gleason vibes for Superman again.
I hope we get to see how Clark saved Shady. A part of me thinks it be similar to a Young Jim Gordon comforting a young Bruce after the tragic shooting.
Maybe he wrote an article about A corrupt industry or an article about poor neighborhoods like the one she lived in I think you’ll be through his journalistic talent
One of my favorite episodes of Batman: The Animated Series was "Legends of the Dark Knight", where three kids had different impressions of Batman. One thought he had wings and fangs; the second kid's uncle told him a tale of the Silver Age Batman vs. the Joker; the third told the tale of The Dark Knight Returns Batman fighting the Mutant leader. They encounter another kid named Joel, who imagined Batman with a rubber suit and a car that could climb walls; he is immediately deemed lame. This issue missed an opportunity to do the same with Superman.
Superman is what I can do Clark is who I am.
- Superman (Dean Cain)
6:44 Do you like mullet Superman? Finally, someone else who gets the greatness of mullet on Sups.
I love the Bendis salt. Truly beautiful.
Bendis is a terrible writer. Even his Daredevil run is just numerous pages of talking heads with a few good issues. Comics aren't TV. I would rather read Mark Trail.
Bendis has maybe been good LONG ago yet something happened that made him so bad. Like he has concepts yet no followthrough with said concepts. Somebody else always has to clean up his mess.
This issue sounds fascinating! I love the idea of stories being told from the POVs of everyday civilians about a particular character. I wish they’d do a whole series with that premise, especially in cities like Gotham that have multiple heroes
I really loved this issue and am so happy that this writer gets Superman. Clark's line about getting his fellow prisoner home really hit home.
"is it that time again, is the mullet back" this comment both made my evening and also made me choke on my coco laughing. Thank you. ♥
Shout out to daddy superman at 5:11 We see you, we appreciate you.
All Star Super Displays (to me) the best of what is Superman.
This reminds me of Gotham knight animated movie where three kids tell stories about batman.
@@manis1551 no, there is a movie too with the same thing as the TV show but what am talking about is a animated movie that links batman begins and the dark knight movies.
Superman was the first comic i ever read. He is and always will be my favorite. And I have always believed Clark is who he is Superman is what he does I will always believe that
Golden Age Superman is way better. I think he believes he's Clark but he's actually Kal El/Superman. I don't like most of the changes they made to him and his mythos since the 40s.
I really liked the way you phrased that. Clark is who he is and Superman is what he does. That's pretty nice
I think clark is who he is but superman is the face in puts on to give the world hope.
"Jokes on you, I'm already sat down"
That line made me laugh and I don't even know why
I love discussions about superman. So cool to see that many points of view in a comic!
I agreed with Sadie. Superman is more than just his powers. He inspires people. And I agree with Sasha, that midnighter story felt very 90s. But it was also my second favorite in the issue.
Reminds me of the episode of Batman TAS where Batman was unconscious in a kids basement and the kids told stories about him, mixed in with a little bit of the "I Almost Got Him" episode. Honestly, I find this a ton more interesting than him fighting monsters in Mongol's arena.
Ironically, I really want to read this now, whereas before I wasn't that fussed.
It's weird people are comparing "Gladiator on another Planet" is ripped off of Planet Hulk, when that story is an easy "Homage"/ rip off to John Carter of Mars. Is that story Public Domain now, or can the estate sue Marvel & DC?
So it's basically that War World episode of Justice League.
John Carter I believe is currently Dynamite. But I feel like gladiators were history's before they were anyone's. Whether we are on an alien world or not. Lol
The first five John Carter books lapsed into public domain. I imagine they ERB estate makes money off the IP itself by licensing the character out to other media. Anyway, John Carter may have been one of fiction's first space gladiators, but the estate doesn't own the trope.
...no, they did that back in the 80's when he went off world when he was "depowered"....you know when he needed the oxygen to fly through space. It is an OLD trope.
public domain due to Dynamite Comics
4:15 like how this theory is basically a shout out to the Viltrumite plot-line from Invincible
I love the debate about why Superman is important. It differs from person to person.
Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow 2? Actually this kind of makes me think of "Whatever happened to the caped crusader?". In that its a variety of perspectives and characterizations of the character once he's no longer there. I'm honestly pretty here for it.
I love this coverage on Future State
0/10 Not enough brooding in elaborate rooms devoted to the main character’s love interest
I personally loved this story. Seeing Smallville turn into this religious center/tourist trap was really interesting. Also, I love debates about the meaning of Superman, so this spoke to me. I feel like the writer has a good grasp on what makes Superman compelling, something that not all writers master.
I felt like this book was a good introduction into what sort of Superman we can hope for when the new writer takes over.
Better late then never, I loved this issue illustrating the character of Superman, whenever his powers are what make him being a God or his personality standing for the best of humanity and Clark persona. And yes my salty mind says this was shade at the previous writer.
As a young man I modeled my life after Clark Kent.
Modest, unassuming, and generous with his kindness.
Superman was beyond me, not in power(that too) but in his callous dealings with his "friends".
Secrets, lies, and treating them as if he knew what was best for them?
Not a good friend.
Not a good man.
My hero was Clark Kent.
WEEKLY PLANET PODCAST NAME DROPPED SASHA! second highlight of my day. 1st was realizing I can wipe boogers on my cats and then they'll eat them.
I kind of enjoy the Madoka-ascended-force-of-good theory that one character proposed for why Superman disappeared.
This sounds like a superman I'd love to read! Havent always been the biggest fan becuase how I wanted a superman to be never seemed to line up with the comics I read. (unless they were just wild Batman/Superman team ups or Elseworlds where the fun or intrigue of the story was my main motivation for reading) But a superman story that seems to take pride and acknowledge how much of an impact just being a good person can have is one I want! Even if it is a bit preachy I dont think I mind it. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the Lower Decks mention. That's easily one of my top five TNG episodes.
I love it when the person in charge loves his comic book character!
Hahah , the “Lower decks is very funny 😆 “
When people complain about the contents of a comic not matching the cover I have to assume that those people have never read a comic book before.
They don't understand that "don't judge a book by its cover" applies to comic books and graphic novels too
That cover screams, "John Carter: Warlord of Mars". It's like a take on some Frank Frazetta art.
Superman is many things to many people but there are aspects of the man that I don't think are really explored in the books. The "overpowered" vs. "the man" argument has been done a lot, but I've had some curious arguments over the years (since I'm a Superman fan). While I've had the "Superman can and should do anything he wants" Snyder take years before Man of Steel, the most interesting is the reverse of that. "Superman can be good because he has the power to be good. Regular people can't be as pure as Superman because of the fear of reprisal, where Superman can do anything without fear so if he wants to be pure good, he can." This argument makes me think about life to this day.
I'd planned to ignore all of Future State, but it's nice to hear Clark getting his due. I might actually throw my money at this one. Thank you, Sasha!
0:09 The cover of the comic slightly resembles DC's "Just Imagine..." series vovers where Stan Lee and other Marvel guys created the DC Universe.
Also, great video. I might get this one myself.
This is often a discussion I wind up having with others because I'm a lifelong Superman fan. And it's the common complaint about him is that he's boring or he can just solve any problem with his powers, but that's defining him BY his powers.
For me, there's a good reason that a mulititude of characters that have come along since his inception have failed: because it's Superman's *character* that makes him interesting, not his powers.
Think about how many knockoff Superman characters there have tried to be and none of them have the longevity and popularity of Clark Kent aka Superman.
He's good, he's kind, he's optimistic and humble, self-sacrificing and giving.
To which some might say 'boring', but in real life most people actually want to or are like that. And we always admire the people that act that way.
I welcome any comic or story that lets us reflect on Superman and what he means to us because we're also reflecting on ourselves, and that too is a very good thing.
If there is one thing DC will do, it is give you thigh candy, Even Zatanna's come back to reclaim her throne.
But I'm curious if all the Future State books are supposed to interconnected or are some in pockets together (Like Flash, Nightwing, Titans, and Shazam all seem to connected but not to the others so far, Swamp Thing and Diana's books also look like their even further in the future and that whatever is going on in the other stories is just going to end really poorly)
Oh dang the channel got mentioned on Mr. Sunday Movies' "The Weekly Planet" podcast EP 369 from this week, nice!
I thoroughly enjoyed this title, it gave you a retrospect of the Superman mythos and the pivotal question: who is Superman? The lack of action did not upset me but the narrative build-up to the War World storyline was compelling and well thought out. The artistic layout of the issue is beautiful and I hope they continue this style throughout this series. What bothers me is the lack of interconnecting storyline issues centered around the Metropolis heroes, unlike Gotham City heroes where each issue weaves an intricate web around The Batman. Maybe that is why there are smaller storylines integrated within each Superman title. To say the least, the side stories in Superman: War World were much more satisfying tales than the Superman of Metropolis ones. But the question remains: is Clark Kent Superman or is Superman Clark Kent?
I'd say superman is clark kent, since he was raised as clark. Superman is just the face he puts on to give the world hope.
A moment of silence to appreciate the cake and steak that is Clark from the art
I *love* this story, though I guess it doesn't hurt that I am approximately one hundred and fifty-seven bajillion percent in agreement with the POV character's understanding of Superman. Also the art is just freaking gorgeous. Like wow! 😍
At the end of the day, We all want to see Superman Slay Mongul.
I was down for this. Clark is the best part of Superman, though the power is important too. It's a good man doing good because he's good, but he also needs the power to back it up, to reassure people who see him that everything is going to be ok even they don't look like they will be. A man who will support truth and justice, but will take the time to talk you out of suicide or save your cat. The world needs Superman, and I kind of wish we had one.
Finally someone in DC loves Superman more than Batman XD
This comic was fantastic. #1 book in Future State right now.
The only Future State I care about. I LOVE THE MULLET, though would never wear one myself.
I really appreciated the dig at shallow comic fans obsessed with the super elements of these characters
I know you just doing your thing, but your channel is just better.
This brings Doomsday Clock to mind. Where it looked at Superman as the basis of all heroes
Since Superman wears his undies on the outside, they are, technically, ovies.
I personally would have to agree with you, Sasha. I think that this first issue is really well done, but I do see why some people might view it as them being cheated. I got a very different vibe from the cover than I did the actual issue, but I completely understand what it's doing. It's setting up the story. I'm sure the next issue will give more of what people wanted, but I'm very pleased with what I got. After all, not every issue has to be all action all the time for me. There needs to be some room for quieter moments, for characters to just be, and to see the impact that the heroes have on others. :)
I love when people and things love Superman... it speaks to me.
Clark: Son, where is metropolis?. Where is metroplis, jonathan?!?!
THID DUDE REALLY DID HIT HER WITH THE STEREOTYPICAL "Uhm, Actually"??? It's like BOIII if you don't BACK UP RIGHT NOW!
Closing Time might be the best episode of that season of Doctor Who.
The Weekly Planet podcast just gave you a shout out 😁👍🏻
Having stopped cutting my hair, but continuing to exercise through the pandemic... I approve his beard/long hair combo!
Soon as she found the group outside the memorial I thought of the Rick and Morty Story Train episode. "What is it with you people and your stories about Superman?" Also seems like evil Supes was referenced in the story about Kryptonians coming back to terraform earth and the fear surrounding it
This comic book looks really awesome I love how it's tearing the different personalities concepts and ideas the different sides of Superman apart how we get to them think of Superman as a person not just this concept that is basically just so alien that no one could like it because it's too alien it's not a good thing it's Superman so he's not relatable I think if this book is contained to be done right which so far it has been for me and that this could be one of the most relatable Superman books and can get a lot of people into it that being said you do have to have the right outlook on Superman you have to have a little bit of knowledge on Superman already and you either have to be really frustrated with Superman from being unrelatable or you have to be really really enjoying Superman but feel like it's missing something and really really loves Superman on some level or just like Superman but want to book like this I don't know I think this book will do really well
It's the hope for me all star superman shows superman's true and genuine love of the human condition
I dont have the means to keep up with all this future state stuff but I really like your omnibus idea. Ide totally buy that
Surprise they add the" American way" too the whole Superman saying. These days that line is controversial. 🤔
Yeah. Stealing land, slavery, antisemitism... All of those were at some point part of the American way. Had the same thought.
I get the sentiment when it comes to the phrase’s ‘American way’, it’s just uncomfortable to write down and say.
The American Way suits Homelander better. 💀
I guess it can be interpreted as what the "American way" should be, rather than what it is. Like how Captain America is less about what the country is or was, but what it should be.
@@matti.8465 Exactly.
I love how they made the "Subjugator Supermen" look like General Thragg and Omni-Man from Invincible
Future State has been really uneven. I really thought this book was.. not great. I did enjoy the message and sentiment it was refreshing.That's just me though. Btw that one panel with the Kryptonians gives me Viltrumite vibes and I love it. Great video!
More whiplash than Maxwell Lord...I can’t 😂
I hate cover-bait. As someone who initially got into comics because of the art cover-bait screams to me to buy it. Then I do. Because I am gullible and easily amused.
I’m also buying this book because you made it sound interesting. Those things are mutually exclusive... aren’t they?
You are good. Smart, funny and engaging. Dude Superman as we know him is bc of Ma and Pa Kent.
I actually agree with sadies take on superman as a whole. The characterisation of who superman is by his hero identity and alter ego is what makes him interesting but his powers add a whole lot more to the story. But it largely depends on the writer, if someone can craft a good story around superman in a way that is thought provoking but also a digestible read for many than it can add so much more to everything that is superman. I honestly prefer the stories that wax philosophy every so often but don’t get me wrong I do enjoy the op muscleboi aspect of his character but that can make it cheap so it’s a fine line to cross.
I really enjoy your content! Thanks Sasha!🥰
*Sasha: **_"Oh my, look at that thigh. That thigh alone could win a fight."_*
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@CasuallyComics Did you hear you got a shoutout by Mason in The Weekly Planet’s latest audio podcast? You won me over when your content randomly hit my feed about a month ago. Apparently you reached Mason too and now his audience. Way to go!
The image of the Eeeeeevil Kryptonians reminds me of Mark's people in the Invincible comic. (The 'stache may be a factor here...)
It reminded me of the Batman Animated Series episode “Almost Got ‘Im”
More like "Legends of the Dark Knight".
I love the sound of world war hulk with Superman
To me, because he has all the powers, he has to be written as Clark Kent at the core to be interesting. A midwestern farm boy trying to be a hero. In contrast Batman without powers, has to be written as Batman. Bruce Wayne isn't even a person, just a mask. It's because these characters are such polar opposites that they work well together.
I can see why people could potentially be salty about the cover, but at the same time the way that it's been set up, I can see a war breaking out on earth over time. Whatever battle Superman is fighting eventually following him back home once he escapes, and either he has to prep the new Justice League to face off against War World, or the Magistrate expands it's reach and he has to help beat them down as well as the worlds people have built for themselves regarding how they see Superman, and by extension all other heroes, collide in spectacular fashion.... Wishful thinking, but we'll see what happens.
You and your love for the SUPER MULLET..
The cover did misrepresent the story some, but we seem to be getting the Exile type stuff later, and this story was really good, so I'm not at all upset.
This was a very interesting comic because of the comic nerd debate, with a lot of ideas thrown around. But that cover is misleading.
Who is Superman and where did his value come from. Clark Kent vs Superman. Anyone else get a Superman 3 flashback?
I like the facial expressions in this book. This makes future state more interesting
My first Midnighter. I bought a bunch of his trades after.