* 6 hints / reasons why : Nicole and Mark end up together afterwards : 1) Nicole felt something for Mark = During the last scene :When Nicole arrived in the cafe, She smiled while looking at Mark like she felt that spark! it's definitely for Mark as her date has not arrived yet ,as you can see the "empty chair" in front of her. While waiting, she was gazing at Mark during like 7 seconds straight ! This can't be a coincidence to look at someone for this long! she clearly felt something while seeing Mark. 2) Nicole is interested by Mark = When Mark was calling the waiter, she looked at him during 3 seconds as if mark was more interesting than her date. + she noticed Mark before the waiter. 3) Mark is probably failing his date = during this new date, the girl is playing with her hair, with a plain look as if the date was boring and she doesn't care. (like Jessica) + Mark failed 4 dates already. Perhaps Mark keep failing his date because he is originally destined to Nicole. 4) Nicole is not necessarily on a date = Unlike Mark, it's not confirmed that Nicole is on a romantic date. All we know is that she was happy in the car to meet someone at a cafe but we don't know the purpose. So she might as well be meeting a friend she hasn't seen in a while. 5) The quantum butterfly: Jake and Maria are here together= certainly to cheer for them, helping them to get closer, fulfilling their promise that they will meet again. 6) They are reunited at a cafe named "tadhana" which mean "destiny" = it's not a coincidence as they are soulsmates that were together during 100 lifetimes. They are destined to be together in every timeline, but in this one they had to fix the world, and themselves to be reunited again. Conclusion: Nicole interrested by Mark + Mark failling his date + Nicole not necessarily on a date + the butterfly are here + they are reunited at the destiny cafe = they end up together. (i'm trying to share my own comment everywhere, for the copium )
Sorry Mate, some points make more sense, some not really, at least to me. It's implied to be an open ending, with the narration going in direction of "life is also struggle, and it's beautiful to overcome", with letting things go and enjoying what You have. The whole point of the game was to show how clinging to something is bad and missing life while living that way. It may also be implied they were pushed to each other by their "butterflies" , which worsened the situation with each reset. It may be story about love, that was never meant to happen, and You could still argue that true. But as open as the interpretation is, You may find copium in fact that after all, they lived together for hundreds of lifetimes, no matter how You would argue this specific ending went, they got plenty of eternal opportunities for happiness with each other.
@@GrafSSV Yeah it's an open ending, it's open to our interpretation. Your points are valide as well, and it follow the message behind the game. My point is not to convince anyone that it's "the" real ending. I'm just sharing "one" interpretation of that last scene (Sorry if my 1st comment wasn't clear) As it's an open ending, anyone can chose their interpretation. I'm just giving some hints for those who choose to believe that Mark and Nicole might end up together, which is a possibility.
You're just coping bro... I'm joking of course, the ending is indeed up to everyone's own interpretation I'd be really happy if they just end up together anyway at the end :)
You know something interesting. In the Philippines we have this superstition that Butterflies are a physical manifestation of the spirits of diseased loved ones.
Same. Two of my relatives died and two butterflies showed up. We live in the city. Butterflies have trouble existing here. Even if its not real it still warms my heart.
I think the universes were ultimately from the perspective of jake and marks mom. Its about them living the same guilt that they could have done better for nicole and mark respectively. The thing is, them manipulating reality from their point of view and making cycles resulted to mark and nicole actually "experiencing" those hundreds of lives, still bearing the same guilt like in the original universe. Jake and marks mom couldn't let go, and this is why they were apologizing in the end. When they let go and trusted in mark and nicole, everything in the original universe continued, and mark and nicole lived great lives despite their loss. The question is, when will they meet again? "Until Then" is the answer because it was not always about the two of them being together and helping each other until reality crumbles, it was also about mark and nicole living their separate lives and overcoming their challenges regardless of meeting. Love doesn't necessarily start from another person, it can also be just from within oneself.
Imagine finding someone(Nicole) who is also experiencing the same as your son's trauma and guilt, interacting with another missing person(Jake) who caused such guilt to the other person changing their lives to meet ASAP to heal and move on, only for them to literally took probably over a 100 resets to finally understand and move on. (Coping theory) I do agree that Mark and Nicole are meant to meet each other, but because of their guilt and regrets, their love ones stepped in to change their Destiny to MEET earlier in their lives to heal, grow, and move on from their guilt. Now everything is okay and the two protagonist are healed, their love ones no longer interfere their Destiny to meet earlier, but instead let Destiny/Tadhana do it's course to meet them somewhere in the future(Coping hard)
Welp when they are in the cafe they're still Young Adults, so its not too late for them to meet eachother this time And Afterall this is both of their first dates
I think one bit you missed about the 2nd ending is that unlike the first ending, Cathy went missing meaning for Mark at least there was some hope she might come back even if it was false. In the 1st ending she was definitely dead and nothing could be fixed hence why he could move on. Especially since Louise concluded they were just wrong about the Deja Vu and there was nothing anomalous.
I just wish there is a timeline when they got together. Damn, Mark and Nicole's journey is so compelling that I wish there is a perfect timeline that everybody is happy with them going together
There are some hints that Mark and Nicole could be a thing in the true ending. Let's start with the obvious: "Tadhana Cafe" where they are means "Destiny Cafe", and the two butterflies show up to watch over them.
The true ending is actually quite an open ending. Mark and Nicole dating someone else doesn't mean there's no possibility they can't be together. There's been hints that they might end up. Tadhana cafe itself is called a Fate or Destiny cafe that mean it is meant for them to meet. Who knows maybe they start dating after seeing each other in that cafe and get married again.
Btw note that, at Old Marks Graduation Pic its Old Cath And yes, Cath moved in with Mark in his home His acquaintance or partner is the one at the cafe This is just a note for those who might mix up the information and get confused Its not that hard but it does get confusing if you haven't seen the whole playthrough
And if you notice carefully looking at their partners, they resemble each other slightly Nicole's Partner somewhat having a similar hairstyle to Mark's And Marks Partner Having the same face structure As Nicole Which hints that in the end, they will truly end up with eachother no matter what.
Much appreciated for this video. I was quite sad that Mark and Nicole didn’t end up together. But, after hearing your interpretation and you saying that the cafe name translates to Destiny, I’m sold. I’m sure they’ll be together again in the end.
I had gotten so much advertisements about this game, it gave me speculation. So I downloaded the demo and loved the the end of the demo, I decided to watch a walkthrough rather than spending money just to make sure and I absolutely loved it and may spend my money on it later on. As much as I do want to believe this popular coping theory, it is possible that she remembered him because she looked at him, and he was happy with his date and felt good about that date before he went. I feel like it is possible in the 3rd act that it was destiny that they will cross paths, not necessarily end up together unfortunately.
@@Soink-ywhich is actually a lot better for them. They experience more in life and was able to fix a lot of their burdens and relationships first before meeting each other. Awww man, this story is so beautiful.
i couldn't help myself to continue playing after the first cycle 😭 that's why I came here I'm kinda satisfied now after watching this otherwise I would have stayed broken 💔 thanks for explaining everything ❤
The story somewhat reminds me of the anime bunny girl senpai an anime that is actually very well written but I would maybe even say that this is better having similar genre's. Although overall wow never have I seen any game like this the story provided is just insanely good and quite possibly the best story game of this current year or maybe even years to come this will gain and still hold that title as the best story game.
HO-HO!! HO-LY SHIT, the ending hits me harder like a truck bruh........ I was confused on chapter 3 because of how much was going on, Thank you for making this video man.
Mark dates failed 4 times And i think jakes and marks mom last wish Is instead of their grief being stop by each other But just them meeting In the tadhana cafe or destiny cafe cause in 100 realities it was always them which probably affected the reality somewhat
@@jebskie7661 it was clearly said by cathy in the 3rd ending were she's disappointed since mark didn't tell her about the date he has and she said he failed 4 times why does this date make it special mark said he feels it and that date is where nicole is also in the cafe so maybe its a possibility
This game was AMAZING!!! Easily the best narrative driven game i've played in years and i LOVE that it took so much inspiration from the butterfly effect films as well because those films are some of my most favs to watch. So many things in this game hit me HARD especially with the message of needing to accept and let go and that u cant get your way with everything in life. Easily 10/10 game IMO.
Actually after I got spoil by true ending I was confuse if there no possibility that this two will never be together again but thanks to your theory I feel relief now 😢❤ but still Im happy seeing them all alive and complete
I'm ngl i cried on the first ending that's why I'm right here and just watching how the other endings went, I ain't good for emotional novels, i cry like a little girl
As sad as it is. I think mark and nicole were never supposed to end up together. Infact sadly I think the fate of the universe hangs in them not meeting...or at least. Not making eye contact. In the end, it almost seemed like they saw eachother. Or at least, nicole did. Yet the camera loses focus and we see Mark make eye contact with the waiter instead. Two souls nearly ended the world to get their loved ones to meet, fix eachother. But it got out of hand, it fucked up time. Because it was never meant for them to be together, or even for them to meet. Or, Copium theory: they were meant to meet, but the two souls rushed it and fucked up time. Then they fixed it. The first time Nicole and Mark met, they literally crashed into eachother. Forced together. Abrupt, violent. This time, they see eachother in "destiny" cafe. Just a glimpse, natural. Like the universe saying "it's time"
Literally my only wish this upcoming birthday is having an update and add a secret ending or confirmed that they still still end up together and remembers their past in peace
Nice explanation on the true ending and that's how typical filipino movies(some) end lol. So worry not Marcole fans they end up together, eventually (offscreen lmao).
I was a big fan of Mark and Nicole, and while I was happy for Cath and the others, it didn't feel complete without Nicole and Cath being together.. I like to imagine that there's another universe which has parts of all 3 endings, such as Ryan and Sophia being there but Nicole, Mark, Louise also having a better relationship with each other if you get what I mean. Basically, all the good things about each ending connected together to form one best ending, and I like to imagine that exists somewhere in another universe and we're just seeing what happened in some other universe in the true ending.
*I think the devs should’ve added a scenario or a secret ending where everyone is alive or doing well and mark and nicole end up together. I bet there is someone on the team who watches a lot of philippine TV drama and ended up adding that twist about “moving on”😂*
I feel sorry for those people who only played the first timeline and got spoiled 😂. If the player truly got attached with Cathy on the first timeline, surely they will not accept the 1st ending and probably watch the whole ending credits and probably get to see the continue screen. I think devs did this intentionally which is very masterful
Here are my thoughts: The original timeline is the one when you put buckets to leaking roofs, in the true ending it is said that Mark's mom and Jake can manipulate the realities in somewhat what they want, so the playthroughs in which Mark's house is more well maintained is also a result of his mom's interference. I think Mark lost his mom and Cathy at the same day on the original timeline this is why he "give up" on searching for Cathy on the 1st playthrough. Also might be the start of his mom's interference later because every time Mark and his mom interact in the void she insist on saving her. So there must be a bad original timeline where Mark lost both at the same day and grieved too much making her mom want to do something about it. Jake might be the one pushing Nicole and Mark together, all Jake wants is to be forgotten by Nicole and move on, he sees in every timeline that Nicole doesn't want to, but with Mark around there seems a chance. This might be why there's no significant changes with Nicole's original timeline backstory and I think the 1st playthrough fulfills that making the ending 1 a good ending nothing happens much until Mark got reminded of Cathy with the CD. This realization might be the cause of the reset leading to the 2nd playthrough. Just my theory but maybe Mark's mom did that reset for a chance to save Cathy and be with Nicole too, which didn't happened sadly and made things worst making the 2nd Ending the bad ending. It didn't fulfill Jake's or Mark's mom wishes. Looking at how Mark acts in 2nd End might be the same with the original bad timeline I mentioned earlier. Now without these interference do you think that the game's 3rd end is the truth at all? What I think is, this game is a bunch of what ifs and the truth is Mark lost both his mom and Cathy at the same day. His mom being on the plane accident and Cathy unalive herself by jumping on the train tracks. why did I think of this? in almost all timelines Cathy's death is a recurring theme. her escape to her parents is also recurring. the rain, the truck specifically the light that shines at Cathy's face, and the insistence of saving her in every timeline. The devs doesn't show it and all her deaths was not "unaliving" but you could sense it in the way the dialogue plays out in 35:55 and at the prologue Mark said he was missing and felt the world ended, his world ended as two special people in his life now gone in the same night. It's devastating. It's sad. like the world ended. So what about Nicole? I do think Nicole is destined to search for Jake's whereabouts and doing so her and Mark's fate will cross paths, who knows? as the prologue says the world didn't end yet. I do still and hopefully think that Mark and Nicole do end up together later like in every timelines. Just wanted to share my thoughts.
@@vanelli6900 Before I answer your questions I should address that I have three possible scenarios of the game lore. 1. The Multiverse Route 2. The Original world Route 3. The Fictional Route So in the Multiverse Route the game story is real, everything that happens in game happened. This is where I answer your question on how the spirits manipulates reality. My answer is that the game said so. Mark's mom told Nicole that she can kind of make a better life for her son in the void. My theory on the process is that they just threw the "thing" over and over in the void puddle creating quantum tsunamis. What I think happens is that the universe splits creating an/multiple alternate timelines and choosing a timeline that suits their goal. But in doing so the multiverse gets cramped and collided with each other. My theory about the Ruling, is that when multiverse collides some things gets transported to another universe like what happens to the missing people. So imagine the tectonic plates got agitated because of another plate from other universe, it causes the earthquakes. same goes to other calamities, something triggers it when multiverse collides. Next is the Original World Route, There's no spirits, no Multiverse, The world would play out like the game's 3rd ending but Mark gave up searching for Cath, because he's still in shock of her mom's plane missing. Cath died the story ends there. Still open ended since we don't know what happens after. The Fictional Route is my copium to make MarCole Ship still a thing. So after the events in my take on the Original World Route, Nicole and Mark got together and wrote what ifs on their life, making the Fictional story of Until Then. So yeah, it is just a random ending. I do hope I answered your questions and explained my thoughts clearly. 😅
29:24 in those moments i think i remember a guy holding a gun towards the camera but his face was not shown. Is it possible for you to explain who it was?
So I wanna talk about the ending a bit and why I don't really like it too much however I will preface this by saying that I think the game is a masterpiece plain and simple. The whole timeline plot at the end has a few important plot holes, why did they (jake, and marks mom) reset the timeline after the first ending, it was clearly shown that they had moved on with their lives Mark and Nicole ended up growing up and eventually marrying and also from the looks of it Mark did get over his grief of Cathy even with him looking at that last gift. Even if he did end up grieving quite a bit at that moment why didn't the loop happen right after Cathy died and instead happened years later. Another is how does the whole time loop resetting help them move on if the idea was for them to go through all this time loop shenanigans to end up meeting each other and go through their grief together for them to finally go back to the "original timeline" how are they able to keep that at the end if time completely reset and they had absolutely no memory of whatever had happened. Finally the actions of Jake and Mark's Mom feel preposterous they caused the death of millions of people so that 2 people could overcome their grief that feels so extreme. Narratively wise it feels slightly wrong too the game for the most part was not about this grand message rather the very interesting and small character moments and a very grounded and down to earth way to tackle certain themes like grief. Whereas the ending somewhat completely betrays the tone of the game by being so extremely cliche and massive which makes you forget about all of those moments that happened. This is just a rant about some criticisms I have with the ending specifically and I do not have only negative things to say about the ending I'd be wondering if anyone shares my sentiment or I'm just crazy. Also if anyone can explain the plotholes that I have listed I would be willing to change my mind on it if it is just a matter of understanding.
The game is a writing masterpiece, until the end. Honestly really confusing and, when you understand, it's just what you said: out of tone and cliche. Things were getting really interesting until the twist of Mark and Nicole being the reason for it to happen. Honestly, the quantum entanglement could've finalized the game greatly, but it seemed like they wanted to expand much more than needed and ended up losing the point. Like, after the true ending, the first gameplay seems good enough. What happened to the Ruling, too? The supernatural touch was strange. Still, one of the best written games I've seen. Sadly, the ending wasn't as good as the rest.
if this game had that elden ring gameplay or those GTA5 graphics it would of been alongside those discussed as one of the best games of all time it's butterfly effect + Donnie Darko like c'mon
hi i just finished the first cycle and man...i am so glad that i downloaded this game, but in the end after the credits, i clicked "yes" to continue, not knowing that it would start an another cycle. i desperatly need to go back and select scenes from the first cycle to take screenshots lol but i CAN'T pls help me
I really thought the girl that Mark is dating is Louise lmao like he is dating his high school crush for the meantime then he will meet Nicole later on
that's why i don't buy AAAA gams (development cost not qulity) anymore, PS1 or 8bit graphic good game play or good story telling only that and you good to go..
For me I think is a older version of mark (because he a similar pattern on the beard but he just let it grow on the chin in the minute 38:21) where he has to defend cath for many years in that timeline probably the things were so bad in that world that he probably had to fight for survival against other people for food or other supplies in order to try to save Cathy as long as he can’t for him to not see her dying again. Only my opinion though haha
I have really a curious question and i keep thinking about it My question is Why Did cathy Left the prom? Did she got jealous? Because when mark was running and finding her He encounter her belongings on the ground can someone please answer? (Sorry for my bad English)
She left the prom due to her parents arriving, they were mistreating her at home (as evident from the ending cutscene) and demanded her to come home only for her to run away
(re)hi, i just finished all the cycles and that left me with 2 questions, I can’t seem to understand how jake and mark’s mom after being killed by the Ruling itself, could make it happen over and over again, knowing it was **created** before their death and their will to erase mark and nicole’s guilt how come after 100 tries they finally understand and the “loop” that was supposedly uncontrollable suddenly stopped idk I’M SO CONFUSED PLS HELP
They didnt die from the ruling, rather died before it happened. They suddenly were able to understand because both of them saw each others stories and connected it to their own life, also in earlier loops (as seen from Loop 1-> Loop 2) their memories didnt carry over preventing proper learning. Hope that helps!
The game was fun. I enjoyed the story telling, interesting twists, nostalgic with catchy mini games. But the slow burn was not worth it. There were dialogues that were filler and prolonged that I lost interest in the story telling and I had to gather again when the story progresses. A fast forward option and an indicator that I have to move something would be appreciated considering there's a 'select scene' option in the main menu. Anyhow, I'm just happy Louise got herself a happy ending. She's my fave character. The "her research flourished at the cost of her life" would've been poetic. Still, her and Cath deserve best.
thank you for explaining this much now i understand so much of this game, but i have some doubts if u could explain tome, when u continue the game on the continue button did the timeline reseted or is it a diferent one? and if it is a different timeline so there is a multiverse on this game and the other timelines where they were damaged they continued that way?, and one last doubt the final ending the true ending is the timeline where everything went perfect?
I started to play the game but I stopped before the prom before cominghere to watch what happens in the end . It was too slow for my liking. I would prefer if the pase was a bit faster but maybe then we wouldn't get the time to meet and bind with the characters. Still i believe it to be a fail if I reach the point of getting so tired of it. I also disliked the first discussion with luise about her theories for the ruling, that could have been skipped or much shortened since it was merely but an annoying tease (she just wouldn't tell us her actual theory because it wasn't "logical"). I finaly didn't like the fact that most of our choices didn't matter at all, what's the point in making it into a game of the player isn't needed it could have been a short series. If they didn't plan on making our choices matter then maybe add more mini games to keep things interesting. I really bonded with the characters but honesty i was a bit disappointed by the game and i feel a bit frustrated. I wish it was a bit faster in pace ,maybe then I could have the patience to finish it and not exhausted before even reaching the middle....T-T
Okay, I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but is there anything I have to do to get all endings, besides just playing the game three times? Like, are there certain choices I have to make?
Not trying to be a contrarian, but I feel all these fantastical, multiverse elements dragged the game down quite a bit. It could've worked just fine as purely drama to be unraveled and solved by the player's choices, but it got hard locked in these repeated playthroughs, due to the multiverse thing.
The repeated playthrough are great, and it could've been better if it wasn't for the magic element as you described. Honestly I'm depressed. The first end got me crying, the second cycle was sad as heck and the rest got me thinking "Holy shit", but the last part at that alternative dimension thing just threw everything away. It's still a great game, but it could've been one of the best. Throughout the gameplay, I was thinking "How is this an eight, and not a ten?" and at that part, I realized.
@@GamingWithHajimemes but she is not a girlboss in a sense of a mary sue. She is always in trouble because of the truck and she is broken by her evil family...
* 6 hints / reasons why : Nicole and Mark end up together afterwards :
1) Nicole felt something for Mark = During the last scene :When Nicole arrived in the cafe, She smiled while looking at Mark like she felt that spark! it's definitely for Mark as her date has not arrived yet ,as you can see the "empty chair" in front of her. While waiting, she was gazing at Mark during like 7 seconds straight ! This can't be a coincidence to look at someone for this long! she clearly felt something while seeing Mark.
2) Nicole is interested by Mark = When Mark was calling the waiter, she looked at him during 3 seconds as if mark was more interesting than her date. + she noticed Mark before the waiter.
3) Mark is probably failing his date = during this new date, the girl is playing with her hair, with a plain look as if the date was boring and she doesn't care. (like Jessica) + Mark failed 4 dates already. Perhaps Mark keep failing his date because he is originally destined to Nicole.
4) Nicole is not necessarily on a date = Unlike Mark, it's not confirmed that Nicole is on a romantic date. All we know is that she was happy in the car to meet someone at a cafe but we don't know the purpose. So she might as well be meeting a friend she hasn't seen in a while.
5) The quantum butterfly: Jake and Maria are here together= certainly to cheer for them, helping them to get closer, fulfilling their promise that they will meet again.
6) They are reunited at a cafe named "tadhana" which mean "destiny" = it's not a coincidence as they are soulsmates that were together during 100 lifetimes. They are destined to be together in every timeline, but in this one they had to fix the world, and themselves to be reunited again.
Conclusion: Nicole interrested by Mark + Mark failling his date + Nicole not necessarily on a date + the butterfly are here + they are reunited at the destiny cafe = they end up together.
(i'm trying to share my own comment everywhere, for the copium )
Sorry Mate, some points make more sense, some not really, at least to me. It's implied to be an open ending, with the narration going in direction of "life is also struggle, and it's beautiful to overcome", with letting things go and enjoying what You have. The whole point of the game was to show how clinging to something is bad and missing life while living that way. It may also be implied they were pushed to each other by their "butterflies" , which worsened the situation with each reset. It may be story about love, that was never meant to happen, and You could still argue that true. But as open as the interpretation is, You may find copium in fact that after all, they lived together for hundreds of lifetimes, no matter how You would argue this specific ending went, they got plenty of eternal opportunities for happiness with each other.
@@GrafSSV Yeah it's an open ending, it's open to our interpretation. Your points are valide as well, and it follow the message behind the game. My point is not to convince anyone that it's "the" real ending. I'm just sharing "one" interpretation of that last scene (Sorry if my 1st comment wasn't clear)
As it's an open ending, anyone can chose their interpretation. I'm just giving some hints for those who choose to believe that Mark and Nicole might end up together, which is a possibility.
@@PowerFlashMan Fair enough Bro, seems i misunderstood Ur message little bit, take care !
You're just coping bro... I'm joking of course, the ending is indeed up to everyone's own interpretation I'd be really happy if they just end up together anyway at the end :)
C.O.P.E
You know something interesting.
In the Philippines we have this superstition that Butterflies are a physical manifestation of the spirits of diseased loved ones.
so true
I once killed a butterfly i feel Guilty for that...
its moths not butterfly's
both, tho if it's a large moth/Mariposa, it usually means it's the deceased grandma lmao
Same. Two of my relatives died and two butterflies showed up. We live in the city. Butterflies have trouble existing here. Even if its not real it still warms my heart.
until then deserves more recognition, it's legit one of the most beautifully written games I've ever seen
Yeah waiting for big RUclipsr/Twitch streamer to play this.
DEVS!!! DROP A MARCOLE DLC... AND MY LIFE... IS YOURS
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I think the marcole ending was the first ending where they got to graduate together and get married together later.
@@nagi8010 yes that WOULD be the best ending if not for the fact best girl died
I honestly prefer MarCath
@@asdtgh8895ain’t cath gay?
the true ending was so relieving but also so painful . i am so so so glad that cathy got to grow up ❤
I think the universes were ultimately from the perspective of jake and marks mom. Its about them living the same guilt that they could have done better for nicole and mark respectively. The thing is, them manipulating reality from their point of view and making cycles resulted to mark and nicole actually "experiencing" those hundreds of lives, still bearing the same guilt like in the original universe. Jake and marks mom couldn't let go, and this is why they were apologizing in the end. When they let go and trusted in mark and nicole, everything in the original universe continued, and mark and nicole lived great lives despite their loss.
The question is, when will they meet again? "Until Then" is the answer because it was not always about the two of them being together and helping each other until reality crumbles, it was also about mark and nicole living their separate lives and overcoming their challenges regardless of meeting. Love doesn't necessarily start from another person, it can also be just from within oneself.
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This is canon now in omori
Damn, the game has barely released and we already got full explanations like this, just goes to show how great it is.
Imagine finding someone(Nicole) who is also experiencing the same as your son's trauma and guilt, interacting with another missing person(Jake) who caused such guilt to the other person changing their lives to meet ASAP to heal and move on, only for them to literally took probably over a 100 resets to finally understand and move on.
(Coping theory) I do agree that Mark and Nicole are meant to meet each other, but because of their guilt and regrets, their love ones stepped in to change their Destiny to MEET earlier in their lives to heal, grow, and move on from their guilt. Now everything is okay and the two protagonist are healed, their love ones no longer interfere their Destiny to meet earlier, but instead let Destiny/Tadhana do it's course to meet them somewhere in the future(Coping hard)
Bro i really hope this is the case, i love marcole 😭😭
"pinagtagpo pero hindi tinadhana"
Welp when they are in the cafe they're still Young Adults, so its not too late for them to meet eachother this time
And Afterall this is both of their first dates
professional coper over here
you've convinced me this is now my canon ending
*as in you're the professional coper
I think one bit you missed about the 2nd ending is that unlike the first ending, Cathy went missing meaning for Mark at least there was some hope she might come back even if it was false.
In the 1st ending she was definitely dead and nothing could be fixed hence why he could move on. Especially since Louise concluded they were just wrong about the Deja Vu and there was nothing anomalous.
36:28 hearing this relieves me so damn much
I just wish there is a timeline when they got together. Damn, Mark and Nicole's journey is so compelling that I wish there is a perfect timeline that everybody is happy with them going together
There are some hints that Mark and Nicole could be a thing in the true ending. Let's start with the obvious: "Tadhana Cafe" where they are means "Destiny Cafe", and the two butterflies show up to watch over them.
The true ending is actually quite an open ending. Mark and Nicole dating someone else doesn't mean there's no possibility they can't be together. There's been hints that they might end up. Tadhana cafe itself is called a Fate or Destiny cafe that mean it is meant for them to meet. Who knows maybe they start dating after seeing each other in that cafe and get married again.
there was. its the first timeline
@@khrizzelladriano5162 What I mean is a timeline where Mark and Nicole are together while Cathy is alive
Thanks for giving an explanation for the game, some people might get lost with the plot especially in the later chapters, keep up the good work!
I wanted to know how Jake died, I cannot get closure from this. I cannot move on 😭
Bro is not Nicole
Btw note that, at Old Marks Graduation Pic its Old Cath
And yes, Cath moved in with Mark in his home
His acquaintance or partner is the one at the
cafe
This is just a note for those who might mix up the information and get confused
Its not that hard but it does get confusing if you haven't seen the whole playthrough
And if you notice carefully looking at their partners, they resemble each other slightly
Nicole's Partner somewhat having a similar hairstyle to Mark's
And Marks Partner Having the same face structure As Nicole
Which hints that in the end, they will truly end up with eachother no matter what.
Much appreciated for this video. I was quite sad that Mark and Nicole didn’t end up together. But, after hearing your interpretation and you saying that the cafe name translates to Destiny, I’m sold. I’m sure they’ll be together again in the end.
Until Then is so good, man I wish Filipinos were real
Uhm what do you by I wish Filipinos are real???
@@shirley-ke1fp Uhhh Filipinos don't exist and are fictional? I know I love them too and wish they were real too
@@zyoh4311yeah its actually the chinese that lives in the Philippines
@@shirley-ke1fp What even are Filipinos?
@@shirley-ke1fpIts all in your head they dont exist anymore
I had gotten so much advertisements about this game, it gave me speculation. So I downloaded the demo and loved the the end of the demo, I decided to watch a walkthrough rather than spending money just to make sure and I absolutely loved it and may spend my money on it later on.
As much as I do want to believe this popular coping theory, it is possible that she remembered him because she looked at him, and he was happy with his date and felt good about that date before he went. I feel like it is possible in the 3rd act that it was destiny that they will cross paths, not necessarily end up together unfortunately.
It's past 3 Am in the phillipines rn☠️
My headcanon is that Mark and Nicole end up together buuuuut...it takes a very long time to develop since yk...
Mornin!
Good morning
@@Soink-ywhich is actually a lot better for them. They experience more in life and was able to fix a lot of their burdens and relationships first before meeting each other. Awww man, this story is so beautiful.
Its 3:15am now
This game was definitely worth my money and time, I recommend anyone play it for themselves!
I got the first ending today, I can't Believe there is so much more, stopped watching the video, need to play it again NOW, thank you for the video!
You okay now after seeing the other endings ?
@@raynolf135 he's talking bout the fake ending
@@16CMB yeah yeah, thats why i talk about the others, its been one month since he commented
tq so much man i was waiting so long for an explanation of the game until then.
i know the game just realeased but i just cant hold it.
thxx again man
They weren't kidding when they said Oxenfree was a huge inspiration. I hope this gets an xbox or switch release i'll immediately buy it
i couldn't help myself to continue playing after the first cycle 😭 that's why I came here
I'm kinda satisfied now after watching this otherwise I would have stayed broken 💔
thanks for explaining everything ❤
The story somewhat reminds me of the anime bunny girl senpai an anime that is actually very well written but I would maybe even say that this is better having similar genre's. Although overall wow never have I seen any game like this the story provided is just insanely good and quite possibly the best story game of this current year or maybe even years to come this will gain and still hold that title as the best story game.
Im sad for Cathy tho 😭
Why?
HO-HO!!
HO-LY SHIT, the ending hits me harder like a truck bruh........ I was confused on chapter 3 because of how much was going on, Thank you for making this video man.
Holy cow, Cath!!!! How are you?
And thank you for not running away 🥹
@@ShinichiKudoQatnip Oh-ho! I wont leave my fans away, I'm a star aren't I! shooting on Ridel's short humble film......
@@catherine_portillo 🤗
@@catherine_portilloOMG HI CATHY
@@yourfriendlymoonlightgirl13 OMGH HIII!!!
God I loved every character in this game. Thanks for the video, i enjoyed it thoroughly
This is the most beautiful game I've ever seen. Might be even better than most of anime(if it was anime like or series and not a game)
Mark dates failed 4 times
And i think jakes and marks mom last wish
Is instead of their grief being stop by each other
But just them meeting
In the tadhana cafe or destiny cafe cause in 100 realities it was always them which probably affected the reality somewhat
Where did you get the Mark dates failed 4 times
@@jebskie7661 it was clearly said by cathy in the 3rd ending were she's disappointed since mark didn't tell her about the date he has and she said he failed 4 times why does this date make it special mark said he feels it and that date is where nicole is also in the cafe so maybe its a possibility
gotta love until then
This game was AMAZING!!! Easily the best narrative driven game i've played in years and i LOVE that it took so much inspiration from the butterfly effect films as well because those films are some of my most favs to watch. So many things in this game hit me HARD especially with the message of needing to accept and let go and that u cant get your way with everything in life. Easily 10/10 game IMO.
Knowing that they will meet each other in the future made me tear up a little im so happy right now!
This gane is a master piece😭🙏
Best gane ever
@@kentgil2526 i didn't even notice mb😭
Actually after I got spoil by true ending I was confuse if there no possibility that this two will never be together again but thanks to your theory I feel relief now 😢❤ but still Im happy seeing them all alive and complete
Phew. Glad it didn't end on a somber note with Cath--edge of my seat for 30min watching this, now I can relax
the black butter fly in filipino culture means that the soul of the departed coming back to say goodbye to their loved ones one last time.
Great video man this cleared up a lot of questions for me
I also think that mark in true ending the girl he date was Louise but i realize it's different person
I'm ngl i cried on the first ending that's why I'm right here and just watching how the other endings went, I ain't good for emotional novels, i cry like a little girl
Always love the indie game that slowly kick off!!!
As sad as it is. I think mark and nicole were never supposed to end up together. Infact sadly I think the fate of the universe hangs in them not meeting...or at least. Not making eye contact.
In the end, it almost seemed like they saw eachother. Or at least, nicole did. Yet the camera loses focus and we see Mark make eye contact with the waiter instead.
Two souls nearly ended the world to get their loved ones to meet, fix eachother. But it got out of hand, it fucked up time. Because it was never meant for them to be together, or even for them to meet.
Or, Copium theory: they were meant to meet, but the two souls rushed it and fucked up time. Then they fixed it. The first time Nicole and Mark met, they literally crashed into eachother. Forced together. Abrupt, violent.
This time, they see eachother in "destiny" cafe. Just a glimpse, natural. Like the universe saying "it's time"
This game changed something in me this shi life changing
you guys should watch the anime: Rascal does not dream of bunny girl senpai if you enjoyed the how this game plot and story mechanic went.
Literally my only wish this upcoming birthday is having an update and add a secret ending or confirmed that they still still end up together and remembers their past in peace
They still end up anyway because they Just need to wait for the right time
Nice explanation on the true ending and that's how typical filipino movies(some) end lol. So worry not Marcole fans they end up together, eventually (offscreen lmao).
I was a big fan of Mark and Nicole, and while I was happy for Cath and the others, it didn't feel complete without Nicole and Cath being together.. I like to imagine that there's another universe which has parts of all 3 endings, such as Ryan and Sophia being there but Nicole, Mark, Louise also having a better relationship with each other if you get what I mean. Basically, all the good things about each ending connected together to form one best ending, and I like to imagine that exists somewhere in another universe and we're just seeing what happened in some other universe in the true ending.
*I think the devs should’ve added a scenario or a secret ending where everyone is alive or doing well and mark and nicole end up together. I bet there is someone on the team who watches a lot of philippine TV drama and ended up adding that twist about “moving on”😂*
Good explanation❤
Im still Sobbing After 2 days of finishing the game
I swear this whole game got me like “HUY PILIPENES”
I feel sorry for those people who only played the first timeline and got spoiled 😂.
If the player truly got attached with Cathy on the first timeline, surely they will not accept the 1st ending and probably watch the whole ending credits and probably get to see the continue screen.
I think devs did this intentionally which is very masterful
as a filipino i support this
It's like a Combination of Re Zero and Your Name Heck!!! I can't wait to play it on mobile!! No matter the cost of the game..
Here are my thoughts:
The original timeline is the one when you put buckets to leaking roofs, in the true ending it is said that Mark's mom and Jake can manipulate the realities in somewhat what they want, so the playthroughs in which Mark's house is more well maintained is also a result of his mom's interference.
I think Mark lost his mom and Cathy at the same day on the original timeline this is why he "give up" on searching for Cathy on the 1st playthrough. Also might be the start of his mom's interference later because every time Mark and his mom interact in the void she insist on saving her. So there must be a bad original timeline where Mark lost both at the same day and grieved too much making her mom want to do something about it.
Jake might be the one pushing Nicole and Mark together, all Jake wants is to be forgotten by Nicole and move on, he sees in every timeline that Nicole doesn't want to, but with Mark around there seems a chance. This might be why there's no significant changes with Nicole's original timeline backstory and I think the 1st playthrough fulfills that making the ending 1 a good ending nothing happens much until Mark got reminded of Cathy with the CD.
This realization might be the cause of the reset leading to the 2nd playthrough. Just my theory but maybe Mark's mom did that reset for a chance to save Cathy and be with Nicole too, which didn't happened sadly and made things worst making the 2nd Ending the bad ending. It didn't fulfill Jake's or Mark's mom wishes. Looking at how Mark acts in 2nd End might be the same with the original bad timeline I mentioned earlier.
Now without these interference do you think that the game's 3rd end is the truth at all? What I think is, this game is a bunch of what ifs and the truth is Mark lost both his mom and Cathy at the same day. His mom being on the plane accident and Cathy unalive herself by jumping on the train tracks. why did I think of this? in almost all timelines Cathy's death is a recurring theme. her escape to her parents is also recurring. the rain, the truck specifically the light that shines at Cathy's face, and the insistence of saving her in every timeline. The devs doesn't show it and all her deaths was not "unaliving" but you could sense it in the way the dialogue plays out in 35:55 and at the prologue Mark said he was missing and felt the world ended, his world ended as two special people in his life now gone in the same night. It's devastating. It's sad. like the world ended.
So what about Nicole? I do think Nicole is destined to search for Jake's whereabouts and doing so her and Mark's fate will cross paths, who knows? as the prologue says the world didn't end yet. I do still and hopefully think that Mark and Nicole do end up together later like in every timelines.
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
How can the spirits manipulate reality tho? And what is their relation to the ruling? This ending seemed a bit... Random.
@@vanelli6900 Before I answer your questions I should address that I have three possible scenarios of the game lore.
1. The Multiverse Route
2. The Original world Route
3. The Fictional Route
So in the Multiverse Route the game story is real, everything that happens in game happened. This is where I answer your question on how the spirits manipulates reality. My answer is that the game said so. Mark's mom told Nicole that she can kind of make a better life for her son in the void.
My theory on the process is that they just threw the "thing" over and over in the void puddle creating quantum tsunamis. What I think happens is that the universe splits creating an/multiple alternate timelines and choosing a timeline that suits their goal. But in doing so the multiverse gets cramped and collided with each other.
My theory about the Ruling, is that when multiverse collides some things gets transported to another universe like what happens to the missing people. So imagine the tectonic plates got agitated because of another plate from other universe, it causes the earthquakes. same goes to other calamities, something triggers it when multiverse collides.
Next is the Original World Route, There's no spirits, no Multiverse, The world would play out like the game's 3rd ending but Mark gave up searching for Cath, because he's still in shock of her mom's plane missing. Cath died the story ends there. Still open ended since we don't know what happens after.
The Fictional Route is my copium to make MarCole Ship still a thing. So after the events in my take on the Original World Route, Nicole and Mark got together and wrote what ifs on their life, making the Fictional story of Until Then. So yeah, it is just a random ending.
I do hope I answered your questions and explained my thoughts clearly. 😅
@@RamezSarno So, the game lost its charm and tone. Sad.
The fotunate thing about them being separated is that the both don't have memories of being together.
I did not know there was more gameplay after the credits…
romantic, novel, and sci-fi shit all at the same time holy shit:
This game remind me of astlibra it has many diff endings too and cause by time tingy
29:24 in those moments i think i remember a guy holding a gun towards the camera but his face was not shown. Is it possible for you to explain who it was?
Its not said explicitly but its suggested that is just an individual who was driven to violence due to the destruction of society
Bro marks gotta shave the soul patch
My marcole heart.. 💔💔
dw this ship is confirmed
@@raikchannel9955YAYYYY
@@yourfriendlymoonlightgirl13 yeah at the end ( true ending ) they end up togheter, if you want proof just ask or you can just believe me
@@raikchannel9955where did u see
@@Wimotheeth what do you mean?
Good video
So I wanna talk about the ending a bit and why I don't really like it too much however I will preface this by saying that I think the game is a masterpiece plain and simple. The whole timeline plot at the end has a few important plot holes, why did they (jake, and marks mom) reset the timeline after the first ending, it was clearly shown that they had moved on with their lives Mark and Nicole ended up growing up and eventually marrying and also from the looks of it Mark did get over his grief of Cathy even with him looking at that last gift. Even if he did end up grieving quite a bit at that moment why didn't the loop happen right after Cathy died and instead happened years later. Another is how does the whole time loop resetting help them move on if the idea was for them to go through all this time loop shenanigans to end up meeting each other and go through their grief together for them to finally go back to the "original timeline" how are they able to keep that at the end if time completely reset and they had absolutely no memory of whatever had happened. Finally the actions of Jake and Mark's Mom feel preposterous they caused the death of millions of people so that 2 people could overcome their grief that feels so extreme. Narratively wise it feels slightly wrong too the game for the most part was not about this grand message rather the very interesting and small character moments and a very grounded and down to earth way to tackle certain themes like grief. Whereas the ending somewhat completely betrays the tone of the game by being so extremely cliche and massive which makes you forget about all of those moments that happened.
This is just a rant about some criticisms I have with the ending specifically and I do not have only negative things to say about the ending I'd be wondering if anyone shares my sentiment or I'm just crazy. Also if anyone can explain the plotholes that I have listed I would be willing to change my mind on it if it is just a matter of understanding.
You're not alone. This game has major writing issues.
@@steponcurry7012 Yeah was just curious other people's input on it I still love the game to death but the ending i'm just so confused.
The game is a writing masterpiece, until the end. Honestly really confusing and, when you understand, it's just what you said: out of tone and cliche. Things were getting really interesting until the twist of Mark and Nicole being the reason for it to happen. Honestly, the quantum entanglement could've finalized the game greatly, but it seemed like they wanted to expand much more than needed and ended up losing the point. Like, after the true ending, the first gameplay seems good enough. What happened to the Ruling, too? The supernatural touch was strange.
Still, one of the best written games I've seen. Sadly, the ending wasn't as good as the rest.
if this game had that elden ring gameplay or those GTA5 graphics it would of been alongside those discussed as one of the best games of all time it's butterfly effect + Donnie Darko like c'mon
hi i just finished the first cycle and man...i am so glad that i downloaded this game,
but in the end after the credits, i clicked "yes" to continue, not knowing that it would start an another cycle. i desperatly need to go back and select scenes from the first cycle to take screenshots lol but i CAN'T pls help me
So you won't be able to get back to the first cycle until you complete the full game
@@Cristiferbeast okey ty
Cathy..😢
Until then 2: Butterflies... Please just let this be Polychroma
I really thought the girl that Mark is dating is Louise lmao like he is dating his high school crush for the meantime then he will meet Nicole later on
sadly we didn't see jimmy anymore :
Thank u for the explanation,it was too long for me to watch
Then you're missing something in your life. Go watch the full game before it's too late.
Men i wished mark and catherine got married 😢
that's why i don't buy AAAA gams (development cost not qulity) anymore, PS1 or 8bit graphic good game play or good story telling only that and you good to go..
MarCole supremacy
MARCOLE DLC PLEASE 😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Do they still remember the past timelines? With everything that they went through
It doesnt seem so, instead they just remember the ideal of moving on from their grief
im quite curious tho who exactly was the guy holding the gun at 29:11 ?
For me I think is a older version of mark (because he a similar pattern on the beard but he just let it grow on the chin in the minute 38:21) where he has to defend cath for many years in that timeline probably the things were so bad in that world that he probably had to fight for survival against other people for food or other supplies in order to try to save Cathy as long as he can’t for him to not see her dying again. Only my opinion though haha
@@miggyfilms4905 that actually seems pretty probable and your explanation makes sense thanks!
I have really a curious question and i keep thinking about it My question is Why Did cathy Left the prom? Did she got jealous? Because when mark was running and finding her He encounter her belongings on the ground can someone please answer? (Sorry for my bad English)
She left the prom due to her parents arriving, they were mistreating her at home (as evident from the ending cutscene) and demanded her to come home only for her to run away
(re)hi, i just finished all the cycles and that left me with 2 questions,
I can’t seem to understand how jake and mark’s mom after being killed by the Ruling itself, could make it happen over and over again, knowing it was **created** before their death and their will to erase mark and nicole’s guilt
how come after 100 tries they finally understand and the “loop” that was supposedly uncontrollable suddenly stopped
idk I’M SO CONFUSED PLS HELP
They didnt die from the ruling, rather died before it happened.
They suddenly were able to understand because both of them saw each others stories and connected it to their own life, also in earlier loops (as seen from Loop 1-> Loop 2) their memories didnt carry over preventing proper learning.
Hope that helps!
@@Cristiferbeast ty!
Kimi no na wa but it's Filipino
"Kimi no Yawa"
The game was fun. I enjoyed the story telling, interesting twists, nostalgic with catchy mini games.
But the slow burn was not worth it. There were dialogues that were filler and prolonged that I lost interest in the story telling and I had to gather again when the story progresses. A fast forward option and an indicator that I have to move something would be appreciated considering there's a 'select scene' option in the main menu.
Anyhow, I'm just happy Louise got herself a happy ending. She's my fave character. The "her research flourished at the cost of her life" would've been poetic. Still, her and Cath deserve best.
There's no filler dialogue my man. The natural touch is part of the literature. It's just not your style, doesn't mean it isn't good.
thank you for explaining this much now i understand so much of this game, but i have some doubts if u could explain tome, when u continue the game on the continue button did the timeline reseted or is it a diferent one? and if it is a different timeline so there is a multiverse on this game and the other timelines where they were damaged they continued that way?, and one last doubt the final ending the true ending is the timeline where everything went perfect?
Still sad about jessica literally having no importance, give us the art girly we want
Yeah or Samantha who also seems to be interested in Mark at the beginning
I started to play the game but I stopped before the prom before cominghere to watch what happens in the end . It was too slow for my liking. I would prefer if the pase was a bit faster but maybe then we wouldn't get the time to meet and bind with the characters. Still i believe it to be a fail if I reach the point of getting so tired of it. I also disliked the first discussion with luise about her theories for the ruling, that could have been skipped or much shortened since it was merely but an annoying tease (she just wouldn't tell us her actual theory because it wasn't "logical"). I finaly didn't like the fact that most of our choices didn't matter at all, what's the point in making it into a game of the player isn't needed it could have been a short series. If they didn't plan on making our choices matter then maybe add more mini games to keep things interesting. I really bonded with the characters but honesty i was a bit disappointed by the game and i feel a bit frustrated. I wish it was a bit faster in pace ,maybe then I could have the patience to finish it and not exhausted before even reaching the middle....T-T
Why did the plane went missing though and where did jake and his mother go?
It seems to be due to the weather that was occuring on that night,
Jake and His Mother most likely died while fleeing, its not explicitly said why
@@Cristiferbeast ah welp that sucks but if devs are gonna make a dlc hopefully they add some lore about that
Is the game available for Mobile/Android? I would love to play this game in school, I'm filipino btw the school design is so accurate
It's sadly not, wish it was though
Okay, I'm trying to avoid spoilers, but is there anything I have to do to get all endings, besides just playing the game three times? Like, are there certain choices I have to make?
Just 3 Playthroughs, Choices wont effect your endings
@@Cristiferbeast thanks!
Does anyone know how to get the true ending I'm confused and i just want to see Catherine alive.
To get the true ending you have to play through 3 complete playthroughs
Beast fix
itinadhana pero hindi pinagtagpo
29:12
Uhh question do mark and Nicole still remember each other after the final reset in the timeline
No they do not
Not trying to be a contrarian, but I feel all these fantastical, multiverse elements dragged the game down quite a bit. It could've worked just fine as purely drama to be unraveled and solved by the player's choices, but it got hard locked in these repeated playthroughs, due to the multiverse thing.
The repeated playthrough are great, and it could've been better if it wasn't for the magic element as you described. Honestly I'm depressed. The first end got me crying, the second cycle was sad as heck and the rest got me thinking "Holy shit", but the last part at that alternative dimension thing just threw everything away. It's still a great game, but it could've been one of the best. Throughout the gameplay, I was thinking "How is this an eight, and not a ten?" and at that part, I realized.
i would rather cathy and mark together rather than nicole and mark
I would rather cath live a happy life without getting hurt
She did nothin wrong fr ☹️
facts@@inst2nt
But Cathy looks and speaks more like Mark's best friend not like his Girlfriend. And by the way she is gay.
@@CHRIStoriker92 gay gremlin girlboss cathy
@@GamingWithHajimemes but she is not a girlboss in a sense of a mary sue. She is always in trouble because of the truck and she is broken by her evil family...
Maybe it’s just me but not a fan of the Nicole and mark ship instead I feel him and cath should’ve been a thing In an ending
Nah dude, sure they "look" nice together but looks are not everything
cathy is a canon lesbian
You forgot about the goon ending
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