25:53 Yes! I was deceived in my upbringing in precisely the way you describe. My escape was enabled, somewhat ironically I suppose, by my extreme neurosis. I was incapable of functioning, well nearly so, and stumbled accross CS Lewis in my ecclectic search for mental health. There did my journey toward Tradition begin. Really, I have no one to talk with about this topic. Even my "conservative" friends are still bound by the errors of modernity. I enjoy your lectures very much.
Thank you very much for this serie, I cannot stress enough how important this is in the modern world. Thank you for sharing with us this priceless gems of knowledge 🙏
Thank you very much for this lecture, it is exceptionally rare to find such a level of insight. With regards to modern medicine, I have made the same point as you (and Guenon) that modern medicine isn't necessarily better. Many diseases and disorders would in the past never have arisen in the first place, and one could also argue that treatments that seem exclusively beneficial such as antibiotics lowers our natural immune response and overall reduces the average genetic fortitude over time. Looking forward to watching the rest of this series. Also, the loss of the Greek mystic traditions was perhaps the greatest blow the West have suffered in recorded history.
i find myself frequently running out of adjectives to express Ustad Nizam's superlative lectures; the learned one's expose on Ibn Arabi, Mulla Sadra in his other videos are the most erudite and eloquent presentation of their works in contemporary media. Amidst similar videos of this specific genre, Ustad Nizam's are unparalleled in intuition & synthesis; and with only the most sincere passion, of a radiant mind illuminating the beauty of the horizons. Thank you Maestro.
Thank you so much for this most interesting lecture. You Dr Sayeed are a great scholar and teacher. I could listen to you for days upon days. Thank you for making the works of Rene Guenon accessible to us.
@21:00 (ish) you also have a Hadith where the Prophet SallallahuAlayhiWaSalem says that there is not a time except that the time after is worse. So this theme of a kind of decay rather than progress is present very clearly within Islam also.
Wonderful series, I have watched your first video on Guenon many times. I believe his work is undertreated on youtube, and so it is good to see someone discuss it in such a scholarly manner.
Thank you. I am glad you found it useful. The next several lectures and Q&A have been filmed and are being edited. The next one will be posted next week, in shāʾ Allāh.
Assalam Alaikum. This was a very interesting discussion. I just purchased the book and will be following along with this series. Im very excited alhamdulillah. I found your insight regarding the west having power only in the physical sense very powerful. Its almost so obvious yet i never realized it. It is all hanging by a simple thread indeed. Do you think there is any connection to this and the fall of society? Its come to a point where we cannot define a woman for example and a loss of common sense (or rational thought). You also discussed the idea of data mining and AI. I read a few books that say our brains are like plastics; they change shape and with social media, our attention spans are literailty shortening. we see for example 8 second tiktok videos. Would it be fair to state that this is a qualitative effect from a quantitative force? clearly there is some effect in our behaviour. Jazakhallahu khairan
Wa ʿalaykum as-salām Zayn. Thank you for watching. I am glad you are excited about the lectures. I do think that the structures of everyday life in the modern world are very fragile and the collapse of the the technology (by whatever means) that holds nearly everything together would have dire effects on human society. I think I would also agree with you about the effect of AI and new media on the human mind and human behaviour.
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Have been loving your work, Guénon's Tradition and synthesis between Islamic and Dharmic thought is incredible. Very interesting to hear about you meeting people with connections to Guénon and that you got to see his house. Makes me jealous!
40:21 the question Ive tried with skeptical MDs is: if Chinese medicine were bunk, how are there any Chinese people still alive? Surely they'd have gone extinct from ages of disease treated only with approaches that are at best "superstitious" and at worst "ignorant". Naturally the same could be said for the ancestors of Europe - how were there any Europeans left alive to discover germ theory if the prior theories applied in the face of plagues and epidemics were utterly baseless? It's always fascinating that people who are alive today precisely because their ancestors survived and thrived to the point where they could support generational offspring can have utter contempt for the systems and understandings that made the survival possible.
السلام عليكم بروفسور، 11:20 لقد تابعت هذه الحلقة عدة مرات واردت بشدة ان اسئلك عن هذا السؤال الذي يثير استغرابي و يشغل تفكيري، هل صعدنا الى القمر اما لا؟ وما شكل الارض و عن صحة ماتخبرنا به وكالات الفضاء وصور تلسكوب james webb مؤخرا .. لقد سمعت عدة اشخاص ممن اراهم واسع الثقافة وغريز العلم، وانا واثق بقولهم مثلك يشكون في صعودنا للقمر او شكل الارض، لكن لا احد منكم -ولا انت- تعطوننا لمحة او مصدر او ارشاد لنعرف الحقيقة . فارجو منك برفسوري العزيز ان تشير علي بمصدر (كتب) في هذا الامر ، سواء فارسية او عربية او انجليزية او لاتينية.
I think we have been to the moon. If you would like to know the arguments of those who say we have not you may refer to these controversial links: www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/ www.bitchute.com/video/WmL1aj1bdvSj/ www.bitchute.com/video/8M6rANyPEttp/
we heard some words: Guenon have correspounded so much with his friends and occupied lately with these letters. therefore he couldn't keep writing his works. for example we know his letters which so much 2 volume in france language.But these letters haven't translated english languge until today. how I wish he would write so magnificient works.unfortunately.
You cannot. The Greek terms in question are ειδοσ (eidos) and υλη ("hoo-lay"), which Guenon says correspond to "essence" and "substance" respectively. I hope this helps.
Interesting lecture. Thank you. Couple of comments: first, isn't the use of aporia in the early Socratic dialogues designed to act as a device to propel inquiry? Aporia seems to me to act as a kind of self [or meta] initiatic goad. Second, wouldn't you say its a bit extreme to say that buddhism is "outside" of the vedic tradition? Wouldn't it be more correct to say its just a heterodox vedic perspective? Third, on the point of the so called death of the western initiatic traditions, I wonder if your familiar with Sri Ramana Maharshi's ideas concerning initiation? He says: "The Master [Guru, Self, God] is 'within'; meditation is meant to remove the ignorant idea that He is only outside. If he be a stranger whom you wait, He is bound to disappear also. Where is the use of a transient being like that? But as long as you think you are separate of that you are the body, so long is the Master 'without' also necessary, and He will appear as if with a body. When the wrong identification of oneself with body ceases, the Master will be found as none other than the Self." [Maharshi's Gospel pp. 33-34]. It reminds me of Socrates' daemon, or even the highest good that draws people to it. This is by way of trying to suggest that a] maybe the notion of initiation is more subtle in the west than is commonly understood and b] that it is, potentially, not dead but more refined or of a higher plane [for want of better terms] than initiation of a purely successive, linear, mundane fashion. Fourth, Traditionalism is about so much more [or less from a mundane perspective], not that I'm any authority, than the example you use of what someone wears. I'm reminded of a great Davila quote that speaks to this point: "Today the individual must gradually reconstruct INSIDE HIMSELF the civilised universe that is disappearing around him." [emphasis added] The lecturer mentions the idea of an act of God destroying dominating western technology. It seems foolish to me to say this or that is or is not an act of God. It seems to deny the whole traditional notion of God's omnipotence and omnipresence. If we really believe God is eternal and such, how or why do we even talk about different yugas or declines? God is what it is and the only peace to be found, as far as I can see, is to surrender to this fact. I'm not saying we need to switch off our critical brains but surrender into the One, and cease to let such things worries us, then the peace thats realised can become operative. I find the lecturer's comments on divine agency ["Allah is pure act"] interesting. This could be true from what I would consider a mundane Islamic perspective but I would ask us to consider the idea of the ultimate reality not as pure act but rather pure being, as in the vedantic school where the ultimate reality is considered as 'Satcitananda' [Existence/Truth, Consciousness and Bliss]. I think this distinction [between god as action or being] allows us to perhaps make interesting reflections on the essential and nuanced differences in traditions, that, I conjecture, have far reaching implications for the societies that adopt them. Lastly on the discussion of universals, it would seem to me that the implication of the totalisation of quantity is to completely destroy the notion of universality. My question is to imagine a world in which the human experience is so quantised that thinking through the notion of a universal is impossible. That will surely be the true reign of quantity. Thanks again. Om Shanti.
You are most welcome Thank you for watching. To turn to your questions and comments, in order: 1. Indeed, aporia do serve this purpose. 2. No it is not extreme. It is a fact. Buddhism rejects the Veda. 3. I was not aware of this quotation. I do not agree with your suggestion that the notion of initiation is “more subtle in the west”, far from it. 4. Yes, it was just an example mentioned in passing. Of course many other examples could have been given such as the quote you have given. 5. I understand what you are saying. The phrase “act of God”is just a manner of speaking. 6. Allah is Pure Act and Pure Being. The two terms are co-extensive. Your characterisation of the former coming under a “mundane Islamic perspective” is inaccurate. 7. Your concluding observation is interesting.
Always hate how Eastern Orthodoxy is ignored when talking about Christianity, especially in the context of traditional religions. Eastern Orthodoxy is growing rapidly in the United States, and is more "traditional" than Roman Catholicism has been in 1000 years
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad It is interesting to see how demonized Freemasonry is across the Muslim world. I think it is mostly because of the All Seeing Eye symbolism but it is quite absurd because one of the Holy Names of Allah IS "The All Seeing".
Muhammed Ali Pasha is not Albanian his Bashi Bozuk soldiers were he is from Kavala Greece and a Turk by Blood as you can read in sources about his father from Anatolia lol
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25:53 Yes! I was deceived in my upbringing in precisely the way you describe. My escape was enabled, somewhat ironically I suppose, by my extreme neurosis. I was incapable of functioning, well nearly so, and stumbled accross CS Lewis in my ecclectic search for mental health. There did my journey toward Tradition begin. Really, I have no one to talk with about this topic. Even my "conservative" friends are still bound by the errors of modernity. I enjoy your lectures very much.
You’ve opened up a whole new world for me Saiyad. I am grateful
You are most welcome.
stunning work! cant wait to get through the rest of this!
Thank you very much for this serie, I cannot stress enough how important this is in the modern world. Thank you for sharing with us this priceless gems of knowledge 🙏
@TheVerdefoglia I am happy to know that people like your good self are benefiting from this humble effort. Thank you for watching.
Thank you very much for this lecture, it is exceptionally rare to find such a level of insight. With regards to modern medicine, I have made the same point as you (and Guenon) that modern medicine isn't necessarily better. Many diseases and disorders would in the past never have arisen in the first place, and one could also argue that treatments that seem exclusively beneficial such as antibiotics lowers our natural immune response and overall reduces the average genetic fortitude over time. Looking forward to watching the rest of this series.
Also, the loss of the Greek mystic traditions was perhaps the greatest blow the West have suffered in recorded history.
In the utter simplicity of the ultimate reality is the essence of all things.
I love this line ^
Thank you for watching.
i find myself frequently running out of adjectives to express Ustad Nizam's superlative lectures; the learned one's expose on Ibn Arabi, Mulla Sadra in his other videos are the most erudite and eloquent presentation of their works in contemporary media. Amidst similar videos of this specific genre, Ustad Nizam's are unparalleled in intuition & synthesis; and with only the most sincere passion, of a radiant mind illuminating the beauty of the horizons. Thank you Maestro.
You are most welcome. Thank you for your very kind works. I am truly humbled.
Thank you so much for this most interesting lecture.
You Dr Sayeed are a great scholar and teacher.
I could listen to you for days upon days.
Thank you for making the works of Rene Guenon accessible to us.
thank youuuuu i need this so so much, as a person who doesnt have any filisofi background, this is so important for me
You are most welcome. Thank you for watching.
Thank you so much for sharing this conversation. Feeling coming home when listening to your lectures. May you be blessed.
Thank you for watching.
@21:00 (ish) you also have a Hadith where the Prophet SallallahuAlayhiWaSalem says that there is not a time except that the time after is worse. So this theme of a kind of decay rather than progress is present very clearly within Islam also.
Indeed it is.
We do a little Kali Yuga surfing don't we boys
Thank You Dr Ahmed for this series.
Excellent! Thank you for doing this! Looking forward to watching the series.
My pleasure.
Good to see dr nizamuddin back 😍 May Allah bless you dr saab. Your videos are really beneficial
I am glad to be back. Thank you for your kind wishes. May Allah bless you as well.
Wonderful series, I have watched your first video on Guenon many times. I believe his work is undertreated on youtube, and so it is good to see someone discuss it in such a scholarly manner.
Thank you. I am glad you found it useful. The next several lectures and Q&A have been filmed and are being edited. The next one will be posted next week, in shāʾ Allāh.
celebrite so much and tank you for the lecture.
Awesome session(s). Jzk and thank you for sharing online ♥
thank you for sharing your knowledge sir. as you say, a book has its fate. we might say: so does a video!
Thank you for sharing your insights and the insights of Guenon 🙏
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
You are an incredible teacher
Thank you for kind thoughts. It is a pleasure to offer this content.
Welcome back! Bless you Saiyad.
Thanks.
"Not Woke, but Awake". If you need to sell T-shirts to support your channel, that would be a good one.
Thank you for the suggestion.
I just ordered the book and hope to be following along on your lectures!
Great. Please do post any questions you have in the comments.
The next several lectures and Q&A have been filmed and are being edited. The next one will be posted next week, in shāʾ Allāh.
Assalam Alaikum. This was a very interesting discussion. I just purchased the book and will be following along with this series. Im very excited alhamdulillah.
I found your insight regarding the west having power only in the physical sense very powerful. Its almost so obvious yet i never realized it. It is all hanging by a simple thread indeed. Do you think there is any connection to this and the fall of society? Its come to a point where we cannot define a woman for example and a loss of common sense (or rational thought).
You also discussed the idea of data mining and AI. I read a few books that say our brains are like plastics; they change shape and with social media, our attention spans are literailty shortening. we see for example 8 second tiktok videos. Would it be fair to state that this is a qualitative effect from a quantitative force? clearly there is some effect in our behaviour.
Jazakhallahu khairan
Wa ʿalaykum as-salām Zayn. Thank you for watching. I am glad you are excited about the lectures. I do think that the structures of everyday life in the modern world are very fragile and the collapse of the the technology (by whatever means) that holds nearly everything together would have dire effects on human society. I think I would also agree with you about the effect of AI and new media on the human mind and human behaviour.
Excellent video, very illuminating. Thank you Saiyad.
Alḥamdulillāh. Thanks for watching.
Good to have you back
It's great to be back.
Thanks for this guys
Wonderful as always.
Thank you.
Thank you, there is way too little content on the great master René Guénon!
You are most welcome, and indeed there is very little quality content about RG on You Tube.
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Have been loving your work, Guénon's Tradition and synthesis between Islamic and Dharmic thought is incredible. Very interesting to hear about you meeting people with connections to Guénon and that you got to see his house. Makes me jealous!
Million thanks, true Gem. Million thanks Dr.
You are very welcome.
Glad you made this video! Great stuff
Thank you for watching!
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Trad Twitter sends its regards.
Where can we understand pythagorean numbers? Can you provide me with some references?
40:21 the question Ive tried with skeptical MDs is: if Chinese medicine were bunk, how are there any Chinese people still alive? Surely they'd have gone extinct from ages of disease treated only with approaches that are at best "superstitious" and at worst "ignorant".
Naturally the same could be said for the ancestors of Europe - how were there any Europeans left alive to discover germ theory if the prior theories applied in the face of plagues and epidemics were utterly baseless?
It's always fascinating that people who are alive today precisely because their ancestors survived and thrived to the point where they could support generational offspring can have utter contempt for the systems and understandings that made the survival possible.
Thank you for this Saiyad.
You are most welcome Mohsen.
Your son reminds me of myself, its crazy to see. Even physically we look very similar.
Thank you
You are most welcome.
I loved the Egyptian accent, very accurate to be honest 😂
I spent a lot of time in Egypt.
السلام عليكم بروفسور،
11:20 لقد تابعت هذه الحلقة عدة مرات واردت بشدة ان اسئلك عن هذا السؤال الذي يثير استغرابي و يشغل تفكيري، هل صعدنا الى القمر اما لا؟ وما شكل الارض و عن صحة ماتخبرنا به وكالات الفضاء وصور تلسكوب james webb مؤخرا .. لقد سمعت عدة اشخاص ممن اراهم واسع الثقافة وغريز العلم، وانا واثق بقولهم مثلك يشكون في صعودنا للقمر او شكل الارض، لكن لا احد منكم -ولا انت- تعطوننا لمحة او مصدر او ارشاد لنعرف الحقيقة .
فارجو منك برفسوري العزيز ان تشير علي بمصدر (كتب) في هذا الامر ، سواء فارسية او عربية او انجليزية او لاتينية.
I think we have been to the moon. If you would like to know the arguments of those who say we have not you may refer to these controversial links:
www.unz.com/article/the-moon-landing-a-giant-hoax-for-mankind/
www.bitchute.com/video/WmL1aj1bdvSj/
www.bitchute.com/video/8M6rANyPEttp/
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad Thank you very much
we heard some words:
Guenon have correspounded so much with his friends and occupied lately with these letters.
therefore he couldn't keep writing his works.
for example we know his letters which so much 2 volume in france language.But these letters haven't translated english languge until today.
how I wish he would write so magnificient works.unfortunately.
How do I get past the Greek and other ancient foreign lexicon? I can't type in Greek into Google without knowing Greek.
You cannot. The Greek terms in question are ειδοσ (eidos) and υλη ("hoo-lay"), which Guenon says correspond to "essence" and "substance" respectively. I hope this helps.
Thank you very much.
You are most welcome Ali!
ماشاءاللّٰه
Interesting lecture. Thank you. Couple of comments: first, isn't the use of aporia in the early Socratic dialogues designed to act as a device to propel inquiry? Aporia seems to me to act as a kind of self [or meta] initiatic goad.
Second, wouldn't you say its a bit extreme to say that buddhism is "outside" of the vedic tradition? Wouldn't it be more correct to say its just a heterodox vedic perspective?
Third, on the point of the so called death of the western initiatic traditions, I wonder if your familiar with Sri Ramana Maharshi's ideas concerning initiation? He says: "The Master [Guru, Self, God] is 'within'; meditation is meant to remove the ignorant idea that He is only outside. If he be a stranger whom you wait, He is bound to disappear also. Where is the use of a transient being like that? But as long as you think you are separate of that you are the body, so long is the Master 'without' also necessary, and He will appear as if with a body. When the wrong identification of oneself with body ceases, the Master will be found as none other than the Self." [Maharshi's Gospel pp. 33-34]. It reminds me of Socrates' daemon, or even the highest good that draws people to it. This is by way of trying to suggest that a] maybe the notion of initiation is more subtle in the west than is commonly understood and b] that it is, potentially, not dead but more refined or of a higher plane [for want of better terms] than initiation of a purely successive, linear, mundane fashion.
Fourth, Traditionalism is about so much more [or less from a mundane perspective], not that I'm any authority, than the example you use of what someone wears. I'm reminded of a great Davila quote that speaks to this point: "Today the individual must gradually reconstruct INSIDE HIMSELF the civilised universe that is disappearing around him." [emphasis added]
The lecturer mentions the idea of an act of God destroying dominating western technology. It seems foolish to me to say this or that is or is not an act of God. It seems to deny the whole traditional notion of God's omnipotence and omnipresence. If we really believe God is eternal and such, how or why do we even talk about different yugas or declines? God is what it is and the only peace to be found, as far as I can see, is to surrender to this fact. I'm not saying we need to switch off our critical brains but surrender into the One, and cease to let such things worries us, then the peace thats realised can become operative.
I find the lecturer's comments on divine agency ["Allah is pure act"] interesting. This could be true from what I would consider a mundane Islamic perspective but I would ask us to consider the idea of the ultimate reality not as pure act but rather pure being, as in the vedantic school where the ultimate reality is considered as 'Satcitananda' [Existence/Truth, Consciousness and Bliss]. I think this distinction [between god as action or being] allows us to perhaps make interesting reflections on the essential and nuanced differences in traditions, that, I conjecture, have far reaching implications for the societies that adopt them.
Lastly on the discussion of universals, it would seem to me that the implication of the totalisation of quantity is to completely destroy the notion of universality. My question is to imagine a world in which the human experience is so quantised that thinking through the notion of a universal is impossible. That will surely be the true reign of quantity.
Thanks again. Om Shanti.
You are most welcome Thank you for watching. To turn to your questions and comments, in order:
1. Indeed, aporia do serve this purpose.
2. No it is not extreme. It is a fact. Buddhism rejects the Veda.
3. I was not aware of this quotation. I do not agree with your suggestion that the notion of initiation is “more subtle in the west”, far from it.
4. Yes, it was just an example mentioned in passing. Of course many other examples could have been given such as the quote you have given.
5. I understand what you are saying. The phrase “act of God”is just a manner of speaking.
6. Allah is Pure Act and Pure Being. The two terms are co-extensive. Your characterisation of the former coming under a “mundane Islamic perspective” is inaccurate.
7. Your concluding observation is interesting.
Always hate how Eastern Orthodoxy is ignored when talking about Christianity, especially in the context of traditional religions. Eastern Orthodoxy is growing rapidly in the United States, and is more "traditional" than Roman Catholicism has been in 1000 years
I agree with you.
Guenon considered Freemasonry to be a (possible) source of initiation in the West.
Yes, some kinds of masonry. See his book "Studies in Freemasonry and the Compagnonnage."
@@SaiyadNizamuddinAhmad It is interesting to see how demonized Freemasonry is across the Muslim world. I think it is mostly because of the All Seeing Eye symbolism but it is quite absurd because one of the Holy Names of Allah IS "The All Seeing".
🙌🙌
1:01:35 "...the West is doomed!"
Traditionalism in a nutshell.
Well, all of it started with the French Revolution..
Muhammed Ali Pasha is not Albanian his Bashi Bozuk soldiers were he is from Kavala Greece and a Turk by Blood as you can read in sources about his father from Anatolia lol
I am very suspicious of all those authors and philosophers who promote enlightenment.. I think they are part of the calamity of this world.