Alan, can you please do a video about the rift that has developed between SS and barbell medicine (Rip vs Feigenbaum)? I don't think anybody wants to ask you to pick a side or anything like that, but if you could discuss the differences in programming ideologies and offer your own thoughts about what was discussed in the article that sparked this whole thing, I think it would help a lot of people make sense of the situation?
i know this is an old post, but, they talk about it a bit on the Barbell medicine website. They have more in common than differences in programming and frequency. Mainly after the SS linear progression. their was also some basic business issues that they didn't agree on with coaches and online coaching. sorry i forgot most of the detail
hey alan. i've been lifting for 15 years roughly; and i always get great reminders and find ways to improve my form and safety and attitude when i watch your videos. you're doing a great job. thank you.
Your not being sappy, Alan. Opportunity to train is a gift. Hell getting the flu and then making a comeback provides a gift of appreciation. Continue to march!
I get so tired of hearing people take Rippetoe's comments out of context. I listened to his comments on warmups. His only point was to clarify you don't need these hour long mobility routine warmups to lift weights. He didn't care if you did it, he just felt it was a waste of time. He was tired of people trying to make it seem like yoga would somehow make you stronger, when it isn't true. He doesn't care if you enjoy it for other reasons. Rippetoe is primarily interested in cutting through the BS. Even his squat teaching is not going to cause you anymore back issues or pains than any other form of heavy lifting. Lifting heavy weights is going to cause occasional injuries, especially if you're pushing the limits. It's laughable when I hear some of these people claiming Rip's squat form will cause back issues when heavy squatting period will cause issues for people that push it and knee pain and soreness and other possible issues. Nature of lifting unless you're some circuit trainer or stay light all the time. I feel like a lot of people don't like the way Rip presents his information rather than the information itself.
Thanx for bringing Barbell medicine to my attention. you are both fantastic and have learned a ton. ive been listening to a crap load of their podcasts which goes pretty deep into the medical/physiological world.
Glad you are back on the tubes and I am so excited for the group programming!! That is the exact engagement I have been needing and I have been saving to work with BB Med.
Sorry to hear about you getting sick, but happy to see you back! With regards to warming up, I myself was confused how to do it properly. The official Starting Strength app actually has warm up sets included before the working sets and watching your video on how you do yours is much help too. Thanks and I'll always remember to TRAIN UNTAAAMMMED!!!
Rip did indeed say that only a couple of sets with the empty bar is all that's necessary in one of the "Ask Rip" videos; however, in the "Starting Strength" book, he says that anyone who recommends against warming up is committing malpractice and follows that with a fairly thorough warm-up method. I know it's not fair to hold everyone to every word he ever says, but that's a big difference. That said, I agree with thoroughly warming up.
Alan, a question regaring warming up. Based on the example you gave, thats like 20 extra reps spread over 5 sets of increasing weight before your even begin your working sets. Isn't that going to reduce the weight and reps you can do at your working weight and hinder your growth?
No. Get the blood pumping and ingrain that form before doing your working sets, but do not go to fatigue. If you get tired from warm up sets, reduce the weight you use.
In general, how long should you rest between warm up sets? Assuming the progression given at 3:40 45x5, R1, 95x5, R2, 135x5, R3, 185x3, R4 205x3, R5 -> working weight of 225x5x5, what amount of rest are we talking? I assume R1 and R2 would be rather short, then R3 at least a minute, then R4 and R5 at least three minutes? This is something I've been wondering about in my own training cuz it feels like I'm spending lots of time waiting between warm up sets recently....
Some time shorter than the rest of your working sets. RPE 8 sets should be 4-5 min for squat and deadlift less for presses. RPE 9 maybe a little more if needed. The warmup sets should have appropriate rest to their RPE.
I feel your pain about not being able to work out at the moment. Been suffering acute pancreatitis for the last two/three weeks and haven't been able to lift. Already lost 15 pounds and feel like I'm shriveling up.
well if y'all read the book practical programming for strength training coach rip wrote for warmups "do the complete range of motion for that exercise with an empty bar, for as many sets as necessary to warm up the range of motion. then increase the weight in even increments for 3 to 5 sets until the trainee is ready to handle the work set weight." it cannot get any simpler than that. people just dont read??!?
Hi Alan, thanks for the entertainment metal and coaching. I've been following the stronglift 5x5 with assistance movements. Over the past six months, I seem to fluctuate on my "swole". Some days, i get really pumped and my physique.looks good. Other days I'm flat and I feel strong but look bloated. I follow flexible dieting and measure my macros. Any advice is appreciated.
It is crazy how much you can lose in 2 weeks. I've been stuck away from the gym for the last 2 weeks and the urge to find something to do pull ups on is overwhelming.
Foam Rolling: It’s not a warmup, but it really helps to fight imbalances, squish tight muscles, and I can use it to crack or align some areas of my body. It has always helped me, and IMO it should be used unless your body really doesn’t need it - mine does.
What's the point of the exercise at 6:20? Why can't you simply do a barbell squat, will it not have the same effect? Or does this exercise accomplish something in particular?
Hey Alan I have a super important question for you. I went back to your squat depth video and I'm currently training for football season. You strongly recommended atg which would help me with sport safety and also would help me gain weight which would be nice. Only problem is I tore my meniscus a lil over half a year ago and lost a bit of range of motion (just enough to not be able to kneel). I could still perform ATG squats but the surgeon/doctor told me not to squat past 90. My question to you is do you still recommend me to do ATG squats? Thanks
Those are wrestling shoes.I don't know the model. Wrestling shoes are great for weightlifting.Light and fits your foot like a glove.I wear Asics wrestling shoes to lift.
Is there a program out there designed for people in the military I’d like to be able to use some of the equipment that my company has to teach my joes how to properly lift
Zac Macpherson On the Starting Strenght website there are several articals regarding strenght training and the military, can't remember if they site any programs tho
What type of tape are you using for hook grip? I've been wanting to try out using tape to help with hook grip but not sure which kind or if it even matters, thanks!
Anyone can give me a hand on some possible ideas. I started stronglifts. I'm not really a beginner but first time doing strength training. Squating three times a week for around a month and a half now and recently my hips hurt. Not like the muscles but the pelvic bone. Primarily ASIS, it's going away now but any guesses as to why this would happen?
If I’ve been sitting a lot through the day Foam roll static stretch my my tightest muscles hip flexors Calf’s Groin Followed By dynamic mobility drills
Alan Thrall is even better, more knowledgeable and with more tips, since he has been working with Barbell Medicine. No wonder, BBM and SS/WFAC/RIP and Alan Thrall seem like a perfect wedding! Just maybe throw some JTS in too lol. They have great stuff too.
Warming up isnt rocket science. From time immemorial it has always been plate, quarter, plate, quarter, etc. as you get closer to working weight you drop the number of reps performed.
what is the gradient for increasing the weights? it seems to go up by 50 pounds and then 40 then 20 then 40 and then 20 pounds in the first 185lbs example0
The general recommendation is equal or slightly decreasing increments between the first warm-up weight and the first working weight. It's 50-30-20-20-20 for the 185 example on the video. And 50-40-50-40... pattern is just because of practical reasons of pound-plates (There's no plate that weighs the half of what 45 lb plate weighs.).
Is that true that Starting Strength Coaches Associaton parted ways with Barbell Medicine crew and Austin Baraki and Jordan Faugenbaum are no longer Starting Strength Coaches?
People will pay that price, because for those people the value of attending a seminar is equivalent to the price. There’s no point in commenting about how expensive it is. Since there are people that will pay the price, your complaints will go upon deaf ears.
People who are good with money don’t give a fuck about people who are bad with money. You get good with money by intentionally pursuing wealth accumulation.
It's an educational seminar. It's a good investment if you earn your living coaching and there's good money in becoming a SS coach and there probably will also be good money in becomming a Barbellmedicin coach when that day comes.
Post your form check to Reddit and ask questions there to save your money. A lot of real doctors and heavy weight lifters there, but then a lot of beginners of course.
800 lbs if a fraction of what I squat.
the fraction is 5/2.
Nice
Always remember TRAIN ON TIME!
i hope one day i find a women who talks about me like alan talks about BBmedicine
PopcornShrimp ...a woman who wants to sell you...?^^
You just have to give her a few PRs and she will.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAIN.
YOU GET TO TRAIN!!
Alan, can you please do a video about the rift that has developed between SS and barbell medicine (Rip vs Feigenbaum)? I don't think anybody wants to ask you to pick a side or anything like that, but if you could discuss the differences in programming ideologies and offer your own thoughts about what was discussed in the article that sparked this whole thing, I think it would help a lot of people make sense of the situation?
i know this is an old post, but, they talk about it a bit on the Barbell medicine website. They have more in common than differences in programming and frequency. Mainly after the SS linear progression. their was also some basic business issues that they didn't agree on with coaches and online coaching. sorry i forgot most of the detail
hey alan. i've been lifting for 15 years roughly; and i always get great reminders and find ways to improve my form and safety and attitude when i watch your videos. you're doing a great job. thank you.
Jacob Bolin 15 years?! hope I can say that one day
get old. lol
Your not being sappy, Alan. Opportunity to train is a gift. Hell getting the flu and then making a comeback provides a gift of appreciation. Continue to march!
I get so tired of hearing people take Rippetoe's comments out of context. I listened to his comments on warmups. His only point was to clarify you don't need these hour long mobility routine warmups to lift weights. He didn't care if you did it, he just felt it was a waste of time. He was tired of people trying to make it seem like yoga would somehow make you stronger, when it isn't true. He doesn't care if you enjoy it for other reasons. Rippetoe is primarily interested in cutting through the BS. Even his squat teaching is not going to cause you anymore back issues or pains than any other form of heavy lifting. Lifting heavy weights is going to cause occasional injuries, especially if you're pushing the limits. It's laughable when I hear some of these people claiming Rip's squat form will cause back issues when heavy squatting period will cause issues for people that push it and knee pain and soreness and other possible issues. Nature of lifting unless you're some circuit trainer or stay light all the time. I feel like a lot of people don't like the way Rip presents his information rather than the information itself.
I love the StrongLifts app - When you program in your working weight, it automatically sets your warmup weight.
Thank you! I didn’t know about it!
Thanx for bringing Barbell medicine to my attention. you are both fantastic and have learned a ton. ive been listening to a crap load of their podcasts which goes pretty deep into the medical/physiological world.
Your warm up and mobility exercises have really helped thanks
i heard some at the gates. love that album
love all the videos. I'd love to see a gym update video. How is Untamed Strength doing, any new equipment, how many members, stuff like that.
Glad you are back on the tubes and I am so excited for the group programming!! That is the exact engagement I have been needing and I have been saving to work with BB Med.
Sorry to hear about you getting sick, but happy to see you back! With regards to warming up, I myself was confused how to do it properly. The official Starting Strength app actually has warm up sets included before the working sets and watching your video on how you do yours is much help too. Thanks and I'll always remember to TRAIN UNTAAAMMMED!!!
Danboarding TREN UNTEEEHMMMMMED
Rip did indeed say that only a couple of sets with the empty bar is all that's necessary in one of the "Ask Rip" videos; however, in the "Starting Strength" book, he says that anyone who recommends against warming up is committing malpractice and follows that with a fairly thorough warm-up method. I know it's not fair to hold everyone to every word he ever says, but that's a big difference.
That said, I agree with thoroughly warming up.
Skating to the gym and jamming my favorite lesser-known Zeppelin song? Damn, kindred spirits, Alan and I.
What's that tape you're using for your hook grip? I'm intrigued.
Alan, a question regaring warming up. Based on the example you gave, thats like 20 extra reps spread over 5 sets of increasing weight before your even begin your working sets. Isn't that going to reduce the weight and reps you can do at your working weight and hinder your growth?
Mars Ultor injury will hinder the growth the most trust me :p
Mars Ultor have to build the muscle strength and stamina to lift the working weights first.
These two guys summed it up.
build that work capacity homeslice
No. Get the blood pumping and ingrain that form before doing your working sets, but do not go to fatigue. If you get tired from warm up sets, reduce the weight you use.
3 sets of fahvve with hip drahvve
In general, how long should you rest between warm up sets?
Assuming the progression given at 3:40 45x5, R1, 95x5, R2, 135x5, R3, 185x3, R4 205x3, R5 -> working weight of 225x5x5, what amount of rest are we talking? I assume R1 and R2 would be rather short, then R3 at least a minute, then R4 and R5 at least three minutes?
This is something I've been wondering about in my own training cuz it feels like I'm spending lots of time waiting between warm up sets recently....
Some time shorter than the rest of your working sets. RPE 8 sets should be 4-5 min for squat and deadlift less for presses. RPE 9 maybe a little more if needed. The warmup sets should have appropriate rest to their RPE.
I feel your pain about not being able to work out at the moment. Been suffering acute pancreatitis for the last two/three weeks and haven't been able to lift. Already lost 15 pounds and feel like I'm shriveling up.
"We often take things like our ability to train for granted" hits different in 2022
Allan, you're the best. Greetings from Venezuela
Can confirm on the programs. Very good stuff!
Alan will you do a new bulking video i am currently bulking and have watched all of your past videos. Appreciate all you do
well if y'all read the book practical programming for strength training coach rip wrote for warmups "do the complete range of motion for that exercise with an empty bar, for as many sets as necessary to warm up the range of motion. then increase the weight in even increments for 3 to 5 sets until the trainee is ready to handle the work set weight." it cannot get any simpler than that. people just dont read??!?
surprised?
What was that machine at 6:35-6:55? That things looks super handy for learning the squat movement.
5:38 Moses parts Thrall’s beard
That belt squat machine looks different than any I’ve seen. Very cool piece of equipment!
Hi Alan, thanks for the entertainment metal and coaching.
I've been following the stronglift 5x5 with assistance movements. Over the past six months, I seem to fluctuate on my "swole".
Some days, i get really pumped and my physique.looks good. Other days I'm flat and I feel strong but look bloated.
I follow flexible dieting and measure my macros.
Any advice is appreciated.
Which brand athletic tape you using there, Alan?
It is crazy how much you can lose in 2 weeks. I've been stuck away from the gym for the last 2 weeks and the urge to find something to do pull ups on is overwhelming.
what kind of tape is that you used on your thumbs? is it good for deadlifting and olympic lifting?
What shoes do you wear for lifts?
Adidas Pretereo 2
Does Barbell Medicine plan on holding any seminars in Florida? Please...
I have noticed that i need less warmup since i started a very physical dayjob.
where are you buying those adidas? Are those Havoc's?
Dude, I've been dealing with illness too for the last week. It sucks so bad not being able to train.
Foam Rolling:
It’s not a warmup, but it really helps to fight imbalances, squish tight muscles, and I can use it to crack or align some areas of my body. It has always helped me, and IMO it should be used unless your body really doesn’t need it - mine does.
What's the point of the exercise at 6:20? Why can't you simply do a barbell squat, will it not have the same effect? Or does this exercise accomplish something in particular?
thundersword999 i think its easier on the back but im not sure
That belt squat machine is dope
Get well soon!
Alan, may i ask what is the diameter of the barbell you are using? Or, how much is the circumference of the barbell?
Hey Alan I have a super important question for you. I went back to your squat depth video and I'm currently training for football season. You strongly recommended atg which would help me with sport safety and also would help me gain weight which would be nice. Only problem is I tore my meniscus a lil over half a year ago and lost a bit of range of motion (just enough to not be able to kneel). I could still perform ATG squats but the surgeon/doctor told me not to squat past 90. My question to you is do you still recommend me to do ATG squats? Thanks
Alan, what kind of shoes are those?
love your videos alan. did you say you were going to host a strongman show? if so, which organization, uss or nas?
i would pay decent amount to watch the seminar videos . love to go to one but its few thousand km away.
Off topic. First off love the content straight up badass dude also what was that spray for the knee sleeves? I can't member what video it was on haha
2:14 what is that, isn't minimum for deadlifts one plate??
Is the leg press or a hack squat a good alternative for that squat machine??
Alan what are those green Adidas you got on your feet in the warmups? Those are sweet.
Also, you're the man.
Those are wrestling shoes.I don't know the model.
Wrestling shoes are great for weightlifting.Light and fits your foot like a glove.I wear Asics wrestling shoes to lift.
what about hitting a stationary bike or rower for say 5 mins before doing anything?
Alan, what is the purple tape you put around your thumbs and where do buy it?
Dude hook me up with where you got that tape for your thumbs. Looks both grippy and comfortable.
The tape is called Coban. Its stretchy and sticks to itself,not your skin.
What's the tape around the thumbs for?
Increased friction and less strain on the skin. Hook grip gets pretty tough at heavy weights.
Is there a program out there designed for people in the military I’d like to be able to use some of the equipment that my company has to teach my joes how to properly lift
Zac Macpherson On the Starting Strenght website there are several articals regarding strenght training and the military, can't remember if they site any programs tho
Your videos are awesome..
What type of tape are you using for hook grip? I've been wanting to try out using tape to help with hook grip but not sure which kind or if it even matters, thanks!
Metalzen just google Coban sports tape. (Coban short for cohesive bandage).
Awesome, thanks!
Jesus pneumonia is a killer! Glad to hear you're safe and well. Take care of yourself buddy!
You should do a cut. I watched your body fat percentage video and I think it would be interesting to see you get down to 12-15% percent average.
What is that purple athletic tape called? And how do I get some?
PenguinSushiZZZ vet tape. Amazon.
alan your bench grip is soo close. is that your normal comp form?
Anyone can give me a hand on some possible ideas. I started stronglifts. I'm not really a beginner but first time doing strength training. Squating three times a week for around a month and a half now and recently my hips hurt. Not like the muscles but the pelvic bone. Primarily ASIS, it's going away now but any guesses as to why this would happen?
Hey, BBM is rad! It's like all the barbell people I like are secretly working together.
If I’ve been sitting a lot through the day
Foam roll
static stretch my my tightest muscles
hip flexors
Calf’s
Groin
Followed
By dynamic mobility drills
hey man whats the intro song called?? so good
Alan Thrall is even better, more knowledgeable and with more tips, since he has been working with Barbell Medicine. No wonder, BBM and SS/WFAC/RIP and Alan Thrall seem like a perfect wedding! Just maybe throw some JTS in too lol. They have great stuff too.
Warming up isnt rocket science. From time immemorial it has always been plate, quarter, plate, quarter, etc. as you get closer to working weight you drop the number of reps performed.
You dont drop reps if you train with RPE though.
thats right but this was a SSLP question
what is the gradient for increasing the weights? it seems to go up by 50 pounds and then 40 then 20 then 40 and then 20 pounds in the first 185lbs example0
The general recommendation is equal or slightly decreasing increments between the first warm-up weight and the first working weight. It's 50-30-20-20-20 for the 185 example on the video. And 50-40-50-40... pattern is just because of practical reasons of pound-plates (There's no plate that weighs the half of what 45 lb plate weighs.).
Does anyone know what them blue Adidas shoes are called?
what do you call that thing you put on ur thumb ??
What’s the meet in May that you’re doing?
that was a really good TRAIN UNTAMED for how sick you sounded during the video
1:01
That’s for the shoutout Alan :)
What is that machine he is using?
damn im in phoenix and this seminar would be a great investment. but goddamn $600? holy shit
Do you sell the untamed strength belts? I hope so, how can I get one?
Willis Bumphus it’s a custom pioneer
Wish my gym played dem tunes
anyone know the intro song?
Was your infection S. Aureus?
You are a motavation. God bless you.
Is that true that Starting Strength Coaches Associaton parted ways with Barbell Medicine crew and Austin Baraki and Jordan Faugenbaum are no longer Starting Strength Coaches?
Fake Natty i think it's true,Jordan mentioned it in a instagram live video.It sucks because SS and BBM are both my favourite sources of information.
Fake Natty It is not true as of rn. It may end up happening in the future
Nope i still see Austin as coach on SS site
www.exodus-strength.com/forum/download/file.php?id=99
It's certainly very sad that SS won't listen to reason about intermediate programming despite all the efforts from Jordan and Austin.
once i’m past like 40% of 1rm i warm up with singles just to feel the weight and practice good habits without draining my energy or wasting time.
I'm a 38yo man, if I don't warm up and work my way up to my sets, I break in half!
Awesome!
People will pay that price, because for those people the value of attending a seminar is equivalent to the price. There’s no point in commenting about how expensive it is. Since there are people that will pay the price, your complaints will go upon deaf ears.
how come jordan and austin weigh the same but jordan looks bigger?
Konstantin Dejanović because Austin has symmetrically proportionate limbs.
Konstantin Dejanović Austin has a denser back and shoulders.
Isn't Jordan shorter?
Nah I think it's mainly just tighter t-shirts... They're both around 5'10 if I remember correctly
manlet master race
2:34 It gives a pretty good idea about how much misunderstanding and stupidity there is in the fitness industry.
Caner ERBAY a lot of myths and horseshit is passed around in the fitness community like a dirty used condom
In my time of dying!! Zeppelin baby!!!
where can I go for a workout template??
24821daphneeast meatspin.com
lol- thats disgusting!
24821daphneeast try that workout for serious gains.
How about a program for a 45 year old man with a weak back and 40 percent body weight?
See startingstrength.com/ and the book Starting Strength available through Amazon.
How can your bodyweight only be 40%? 40% of what? lol
Seminar looked good until I saw the price, even if had the disposable cash. Naw.
WoWDSM420a oh you mean you have to pay for a service? Whoooo would have thought? Cry some more
It's not just paying it's paying $600
People who are good with money don’t give a fuck about people who are bad with money. You get good with money by intentionally pursuing wealth accumulation.
They are in it for the $$$ that's why I stay away from barbell medicine. Their material is all online btw. Nothing new.
It's an educational seminar. It's a good investment if you earn your living coaching and there's good money in becoming a SS coach and there probably will also be good money in becomming a Barbellmedicin coach when that day comes.
Honestly, out of experience alone, i couldn’t disagree more with your take on warming up!
Cool vid
Are you competing at the Old Skool Iron Classic in May then? If yes then I’ll see you there!
Whhhaaaat a beast
Post your form check to Reddit and ask questions there to save your money. A lot of real doctors and heavy weight lifters there, but then a lot of beginners of course.
Falcon Lover the only subreddit worth posting a form check to is r/startingstrength or even the starting strength Facebook group
The smaller the sub, the better. Don't go to /r/fitness.
Save your money and get infinitely less in return. Sounds about right.
send it to Barbell medicine, details on their site
Hiii
TRAIN UNTAMED