Well I purchased a new ducati multistrada enduro and after just a little over a year it needed an engine rebuild. And after that it spend the next 6 out of 12 months in the shop I ran into a few other people who had their engines replaced or rebuilt. Every triumph owner I’ve ever met was super happy with their bike so I would have to go with the triumph.
Just bought the 800 icon and love it for riding around Paris and for weekend jaunts. The 1100 is tempting but one of the things that I love about the 800 is it's light weight. Also very flickable and easy through traffic. I think that 1100 would be a bit more of a handfull for my purposes. If I lived in a more rural area, I would definitely consider trading up.
I had the standard black and silver 1100 for 6 months and now bought the sport. Take one for a test ride before criticising the 1100 scrambler, they are simply brilliant, proper bike that rides fantastic, pops bangs like riding a Spitfire 👌🏼 Also quick mention the tyres are brilliant they never let go and I've got no chicken lines what so ever 👍🏼
Yes mate, the Ohlins are fantastic, you can find a sweet spot with them whatever your weight, love the bikes they make you feel great riding, the only downside is the build quality in a few areas, the lower cylinder head looses all it's power coating and bolts snap! ACF50 everything and grease all bolts 👍🏼
@@chriscooperCRF300 Thank you! I believe, the Ohlins are fantastic. But is the standard marzocchi fork that much worse? I am think of buying a new Standard Pro with no ohlins. 🙂
@@aldeen1982go for it they'll be absolutely fine, the only reason I could notice a difference is because I bought a stranded and my friend bought the sport, so we would ride all day swapping, when pushing hard the Ohlins were undoubtedly better, but for 95% of the time the standards are fine, great bike you'll really enjoy it 👌🏼
I'm test riding the Triumph scrambler 1200 xe, I sold my Ducati about a year ago and went adventure bike but I'm now in a position to have 2 bikes, the Triumph needs to be good because I'd be more than happy with another Ducati 1100 scrambler, that would be my 3rd 😆
I am a Ducati fan when it comes to sports bike but open to all when it comes to different styles. After seeing BMW’s R90 series; specially the “pure” model, it’s really difficult to settle for any other model but that’s just me. Awesome video as always Bob!!
I have a Monster 796 and it has the same bhp. Of course because pollution regulations. For sure should be a Monster 1100 with the same engine but more power, I would say that better go for a second hand monster, is the same engine.
Triumph fan boy here . Out of the Ducati and Triumph scramblers, I think I'd go for the Ducati, in red. The high level, thigh rubbing pipes on the Triumph have never appealed to me. At least the pipes on the Ducati go down a bit before going skywards, and don't look ridiculous. In the meantime I'll stick with road biased Triumphs.
When your buying European over Japanese, pricing is a factor but not as much if your going for a run of the mill Japanese bike. European bikes have the mystique and exclusivity. Ducati and MV make the sexiest, boutique bikes!
I just bought the 800 Full Throttle 12 months ago. Most of my riding is London commuting and I’ve made a few subtle mods to my bike now, so think I’ll be holding on to it for a while. This looks like a good option though.
Great content Bob! To be honest I personally don’t get the whole scramble concept. Particularly the Ducati ones. But, that’s just my own humble opinion.
Cheers MG - the triumph scrambler makes sense when you ride it. It's like a big retro monster truck on 2 wheels, especially the XE version. Must admit I've not tried this one though, and it looks to be much more road focused. Essentially a monster with a torquey tune and retro styling.
Maybe, however the Monsters at least have road biased tyres instead of the compromise. An “off-road” Ducati? A bit like fitting off-road type tyres to a Ferrari...
@@marcusgeorge1825 Thats definetely a bad comparison.. you dont fit off road tires on a panigale... its a scrambler. Complete other bike category, geometry etc.
How hot does it get in the riding position after riding 30 minutes to an hour? I live in a hot southwest climate in Texas. So even mild heat off of the bike is magnified greatly in the summer heat. I like modern retro styling but heat from the motor or exhaust is main issue in bike preference to me.
I think the triumph is a better looking bike than the Ducati, but the proof is always in the riding. Personally, I'd buy a bike a couple of years old and get a chunk off the price. The problem is that there are dozens and dozens of absolutely fantastic bikes you could get for £11-12k! So unless you REALLY want a specific bike, there is a lot to tempt you away. That's why Enfield have done so well, there isn't really any competition at the price point. Even second hand triumphs are going to be more than an Enfield new.
Yeah I agree - if I was spending that kind of money I don't think I'd know what to go for. Probably an adventure bike for the versatility... but there are loads of great nakeds too. Too true about the enfields though - redefined the benchmark for pricing.
This is ideal, depending on how much less than the PRO this will be in Thailand. Mind you, with my recent double purchase, I won't be buying one. No dealer anywhere near me, anyway.
Its pretty....and tempting....but they seem more of an occasional plaything. I'll stick to me trusty GS, might try a Turismo Veloce as a compromise....🤔
The math don’t add up. 800 for mirrors and a simpler paint job? How much do they charge to paint a tank in Italy? Guess it’s more of a “get it with a discount because it doesn’t sell” move rather than “stripped down” version. I would still go for the Desert Sled
T120 is a lot torque at the lower rpm which makes it a perfect machine for steady long relaxed rides. I believe Ducati is the opposite, it’s the type of back you want to crack the throttle on and throw around twisties. Harder to 2 up on. I own a 2020 T120
Vorrei solo sottolineare 2 cose veramente improponibili: un 1100 che non ha almeno 100 cavalli non é pensabile nel 2022, per non parlare dello scarico che passa sotto la sella…… un calore esagerato….. ma chi ha progettato questa moto cosa pensava?
The 2024 Pro is selling more than the standard scrambler because of the exhaust system aesthetics, which looks like a proper scrambler, the exhaust system on the regular scrambler looks like crap
@@motobob lovely looking bike but the cable just ruined it. You would spend all your time getting your eyes drawn to it instead of watching the road. But if they have sorted it now.
The extra weight doesn't seem worth a modest bump in power... and price. I think this is 40 pounds heavier than my 1100 Hypermotard? Go lighter and have more fun.
When your spending $10,000 plus what is another $800. I can not believe people making a choice over $800 difference. More likely to believe the difference between the 800 and 1100cc are closer so people opting for the 1100 over the 800. Human nature wants something better vs being happy with the 800 and investing the difference in the stock market like in Ducati stock. When you buy a depreciating asset from a company you love, might as well buy a piece of the appreciating company. Lol
Why is that silly? There was already a ‘dark’ model, signifying that it was blacked out (makes sense to me) and now they’ve released a similarly styled model but with higher spec’s, hence the ‘pro’. I know the internet is where we come to make fun of everything but this is stretching it :)
Like Kanye West’s version of the 9th symphony ! Bad copy of the Triumph Scrambler. Taste of the new designers sucks But of course, for the young generation is perfect. , like the music they hear now.
But the heat from the engine and its exhaustingspipes rightsided specific at trafficlights are not tolerable. It a superbe bike in the land of joy,but really to hot! That is why i did not buy this bike !
too pricey, all their models, the younger generation can't afford it and the older demo is fading fast, I reckon all manufacturers will shift to smaller displacement, very affordable, made in China/Thailand/India/Vietnam bikes.....or the electric high efficiency bikes/push scooters will take over combustion engines sooner than you think
Well I purchased a new ducati multistrada enduro and after just a little over a year it needed an engine rebuild. And after that it spend the next 6 out of 12 months in the shop
I ran into a few other people who had their engines replaced or rebuilt. Every triumph owner I’ve ever met was super happy with their bike so I would have to go with the triumph.
Just bought the 800 icon and love it for riding around Paris and for weekend jaunts. The 1100 is tempting but one of the things that I love about the 800 is it's light weight. Also very flickable and easy through traffic. I think that 1100 would be a bit more of a handfull for my purposes. If I lived in a more rural area, I would definitely consider trading up.
Exactly my thoughts
I had the standard black and silver 1100 for 6 months and now bought the sport. Take one for a test ride before criticising the 1100 scrambler, they are simply brilliant, proper bike that rides fantastic, pops bangs like riding a Spitfire 👌🏼
Also quick mention the tyres are brilliant they never let go and I've got no chicken lines what so ever 👍🏼
Do you feel a lot of a difference between these two? Are the ohlins so much better?
Yes mate, the Ohlins are fantastic, you can find a sweet spot with them whatever your weight, love the bikes they make you feel great riding, the only downside is the build quality in a few areas, the lower cylinder head looses all it's power coating and bolts snap! ACF50 everything and grease all bolts 👍🏼
@@chriscooperCRF300 Thank you! I believe, the Ohlins are fantastic. But is the standard marzocchi fork that much worse? I am think of buying a new Standard Pro with no ohlins. 🙂
@@aldeen1982go for it they'll be absolutely fine, the only reason I could notice a difference is because I bought a stranded and my friend bought the sport, so we would ride all day swapping, when pushing hard the Ohlins were undoubtedly better, but for 95% of the time the standards are fine, great bike you'll really enjoy it 👌🏼
I'm test riding the Triumph scrambler 1200 xe, I sold my Ducati about a year ago and went adventure bike but I'm now in a position to have 2 bikes, the Triumph needs to be good because I'd be more than happy with another Ducati 1100 scrambler, that would be my 3rd 😆
A great review of this bike! Excellent! I like the look of the Ducati Scrambler Dark. Really nice!
I am a Ducati fan when it comes to sports bike but open to all when it comes to different styles. After seeing BMW’s R90 series; specially the “pure” model, it’s really difficult to settle for any other model but that’s just me. Awesome video as always Bob!!
Nice bike indeed! Tried one a couple of years ago. Quite viby. They are cheaper than the rest when it comes to service. At least here in DK.
I have a Monster 796 and it has the same bhp. Of course because pollution regulations. For sure should be a Monster 1100 with the same engine but more power, I would say that better go for a second hand monster, is the same engine.
Triumph fan boy here . Out of the Ducati and Triumph scramblers, I think I'd go for the Ducati, in red. The high level, thigh rubbing pipes on the Triumph have never appealed to me. At least the pipes on the Ducati go down a bit before going skywards, and don't look ridiculous.
In the meantime I'll stick with road biased Triumphs.
When your buying European over Japanese, pricing is a factor but not as much if your going for a run of the mill Japanese bike. European bikes have the mystique and exclusivity. Ducati and MV make the sexiest, boutique bikes!
I just bought the 800 Full Throttle 12 months ago. Most of my riding is London commuting and I’ve made a few subtle mods to my bike now, so think I’ll be holding on to it for a while. This looks like a good option though.
Bad ass Bike, Makes me feel like trading in. 😄👍🏼
Great video nice bike but would go for the triumph scrambler stay safe looking forward to next one 🇬🇧👍🏻
Cheers RP!
that pro sport looks pretty good with Ohlins is that much of price jump but other people talk about Ducati reliability ?
Nice How much lean is thereon the short bars for the Sport Pro? Still ok around town?
Great content Bob! To be honest I personally don’t get the whole scramble concept. Particularly the Ducati ones. But, that’s just my own humble opinion.
Cheers MG - the triumph scrambler makes sense when you ride it. It's like a big retro monster truck on 2 wheels, especially the XE version. Must admit I've not tried this one though, and it looks to be much more road focused. Essentially a monster with a torquey tune and retro styling.
Maybe, however the Monsters at least have road biased tyres instead of the compromise. An “off-road” Ducati? A bit like fitting off-road type tyres to a Ferrari...
@@marcusgeorge1825 Thats definetely a bad comparison.. you dont fit off road tires on a panigale... its a scrambler. Complete other bike category, geometry etc.
Does a sub 100hp motorcycle really need traction controll?
How hot does it get in the riding position after riding 30 minutes to an hour? I live in a hot southwest climate in Texas. So even mild heat off of the bike is magnified greatly in the summer heat. I like modern retro styling but heat from the motor or exhaust is main issue in bike preference to me.
Great review 👍
Personally I'd just get the scrambler 1100 dark & be done with it. Customizing it would not be something to do for me.
Holding out for the Desert Sled version
I think the triumph is a better looking bike than the Ducati, but the proof is always in the riding. Personally, I'd buy a bike a couple of years old and get a chunk off the price. The problem is that there are dozens and dozens of absolutely fantastic bikes you could get for £11-12k! So unless you REALLY want a specific bike, there is a lot to tempt you away. That's why Enfield have done so well, there isn't really any competition at the price point. Even second hand triumphs are going to be more than an Enfield new.
Yeah I agree - if I was spending that kind of money I don't think I'd know what to go for. Probably an adventure bike for the versatility... but there are loads of great nakeds too. Too true about the enfields though - redefined the benchmark for pricing.
Is it suitable for tall riders?
How much height is required to ride it
This is ideal, depending on how much less than the PRO this will be in Thailand. Mind you, with my recent double purchase, I won't be buying one. No dealer anywhere near me, anyway.
Its pretty....and tempting....but they seem more of an occasional plaything. I'll stick to me trusty GS, might try a Turismo Veloce as a compromise....🤔
Once took a Turismo Veloce for a spin with the recluse clutch and it was awesome! Only for 30 mins or so - must try it again
@@motobob with it being a bit of an oddity, it needs one of your superb in depth reviews.!
@@timparsons8515 will try to make time!
I'll stick to my FTR1200S.
Great handling bikes. A bike yo consider.
What? Ducati for the cheapest, this is a weird year.
It's either this or the GSXS1000 😅
The math don’t add up. 800 for mirrors and a simpler paint job? How much do they charge to paint a tank in Italy? Guess it’s more of a “get it with a discount because it doesn’t sell” move rather than “stripped down” version. I would still go for the Desert Sled
Looks great!
Does anyone know how these scramblers match up against Triumphs t120?
T120 is a lot torque at the lower rpm which makes it a perfect machine for steady long relaxed rides. I believe Ducati is the opposite, it’s the type of back you want to crack the throttle on and throw around twisties. Harder to 2 up on. I own a 2020 T120
£800 for Rizoma mirrors ! Blast they’re expensive .....but not that expensive ! 😂
Haha glad someone picked up on that :)
So much update. Seems to quite busy.
Vorrei solo sottolineare 2 cose veramente improponibili: un 1100 che non ha almeno 100 cavalli non é pensabile nel 2022, per non parlare dello scarico che passa sotto la sella…… un calore esagerato….. ma chi ha progettato questa moto cosa pensava?
The 2024 Pro is selling more than the standard scrambler because of the exhaust system aesthetics, which looks like a proper scrambler, the exhaust system on the regular scrambler looks like crap
That brake cable arched over the front of the bike is hideous. Why oh why oh why
Agree - not a fan of this. I believe the pro and pro sport have it routed properly.
@@motobob lovely looking bike but the cable just ruined it. You would spend all your time getting your eyes drawn to it instead of watching the road. But if they have sorted it now.
They place it so as a tribute to the early scramblers they made.
@@mnnic4292 well they are silly Billie's then, looks bloody awful
The extra weight doesn't seem worth a modest bump in power... and price. I think this is 40 pounds heavier than my 1100 Hypermotard? Go lighter and have more fun.
When your spending $10,000 plus what is another $800. I can not believe people making a choice over $800 difference. More likely to believe the difference between the 800 and 1100cc are closer so people opting for the 1100 over the 800. Human nature wants something better vs being happy with the 800 and investing the difference in the stock market like in Ducati stock. When you buy a depreciating asset from a company you love, might as well buy a piece of the appreciating company. Lol
Ugh i want one so bad 🥲😂💜 this bike is sexy asf and great review!
1100 much torquer than a 800
Will get an MTS 950S and a Desert Sled 800, in the next 6 months. This bike is not as good as either.
"Pro Dark" how silly!
Why is that silly? There was already a ‘dark’ model, signifying that it was blacked out (makes sense to me) and now they’ve released a similarly styled model but with higher spec’s, hence the ‘pro’. I know the internet is where we come to make fun of everything but this is stretching it :)
Scott Wiebe as of this makes it any better. Have a great day
Like Kanye West’s version of the 9th symphony ! Bad copy of the Triumph Scrambler. Taste of the new designers sucks But of course, for the young generation is perfect. , like the music they hear now.
But the heat from the engine and its exhaustingspipes rightsided specific at trafficlights are not tolerable.
It a superbe bike in the land of joy,but really to hot!
That is why i did not buy this bike !
Good point. What is this bike like in stop start city traffic on a 26+ degree sunny day?
Gawd that looks awful. That 1100 on the tank looks like they did it with electrical tape. Yuk.
too pricey, all their models, the younger generation can't afford it and the older demo is fading fast, I reckon all manufacturers will shift to smaller displacement, very affordable, made in China/Thailand/India/Vietnam bikes.....or the electric high efficiency bikes/push scooters will take over combustion engines sooner than you think