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Huge Dream Cheating Scandal!
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- Published on Mar 12, 2026
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Been watching you for 3 years
Karl has a problem and can't stop cheating. :P
there is a thing called fake sneak it makes it so it's almost impossible to run off the edge of a block unless you jump it looks a lot like some of the stuff he does. he is obviously running a custom mod for it with way less aggressive settings but when in combo with hitting the edge of a block dose not slow movement momentum it makes jumping like that so anyone could do it 99.99% of the time. on the normal settings i could full w sprint to the edge of a block and continue to hold w for ever and not fall then hit spacebar even minutes later and still make it as if it was a frame perfect jump. it also makes the dancing he does on the glass posable without trying or even really looking at the screen tbh ( i do use this but only in creative mode or on worlds that allow the mods in the rules i have never and will never use it in hc or competitions of any kind) auto jump really is not that useful for this it misses way to often on more difficult jumps
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CLARA!
Let's wait for an astrophysicist's opinion before we jump to conclusions
Karl did say that we can not speculate someone is cheating just because we have videos of what looks like them cheating. We can never assume and must wait for them to admit it.
@toddthehotrodloverbut we can speculate that someone with a history of cheating is cheating.
Hi astrophysicist here. He cheated
Idk, I'd prefer a theoretical plumber this time around.
How about an astrologists opinion? What does Dream's horoscope say?
Virgo: He cheated
I'm an astrophysicist and I can confirm Dream paid me 7k to tell you guys he didn't cheat
You not an astrophysicist, i am; he cheated
Another astrophysicist here. We just figured out how to use black holes as interdimensional portals but we dropped the research to focus on Dream and Minecraft: He cheated
Hi, I'm Kovu, I can pretend to be an astrophysicist for 7k. Do I just search for the position on LinkedIn?
I for one trust the word of astrophysicists
Funny and original
"I watched 8 hours of attempts"
What the fuck bro 😭
Hall of Fame level hater for real
You may not like it, but this is what peak level -un- employment looks like
This is why you can generally truly trust and believe the speedrunning leader boards though... Mfs take it real serious.
Makes it easy and fun to spectate while the professionals labor over keeping it all reputable and fair...
This is why I regular tip speedrunner streams. Like... I get enough enjoyment out of watching speedruns to see it as a spectator sport and they need to make a living
This is his job! That’s a full day’s work
I mean he got 700k views in 1 day for some reason over it.
Must've been Clara again, installing all those cheats on his computer.
Ayy I got the meme
It's like when Mr. Burns always won at golf and it turned out that Smithers was cheating for him without his knowledge.
So basically you wrote this entire video to flex your juggling skills
And damn can he juggle
If you post an hour long video proving this is the case, then I might consider it
This is a juggling video with a Minecraft cheating sidenote
Maybe he used juggling macro. On and off...
I'm too employed for this
The other problem with cheating is you lose credibility over your potential legit achievements
Dream: That is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
I personally still believe the luck was a mistake. I will no longer publicly defend that position though.
true, now ppl are gonna look at the manhunts
@Provengreil Yeah given all the stuff Karl said in his original video, I'd be very curious to see him explain why he changed his mind on that part, because there were... a LOT of reasons for his conclusion at the time
@abcdefzhij can't speak for Karl, but my reason is actually very simple: I give people the benefit of the doubt on simple human mistakes. Constantly flipping between modsets for filming different things leaves a ton of room to accidentally leave your normal modset online when you meant to go vanilla(particularly if the mod is meant to be invisible).
Now, I don't give Dream any credit at all on his reaction: he went kinda nuts and people even got death threats over that. But that doesn't mean he cheated on purpose.
I kind of assumed that this was RUclips necro-recommending me some Dream scandal video from 2021 or something, but the fact that this video is less than a day old is what astonishes me the most.
Fancy seeing you here lol
i mean, if someone cheats 1 time and dont admit to that with getting away with that, why he would stop cheating lol
He has only become more popular with the 12 year old fan base of Minecraft. Of course, he continues on like nothing happens, and people have to keep talking about him as he continues to cheat.
@adventurererumus7937 exactly. He makes more money off of the persona of being the best, so wouldn’t he just keep doing it if he doesn’t face any reprocutions?
I like how the parkour ones are like statistical analysis and evidence and then pvp is just like, yeah bro cheats
the aimbot thing is just blatantly obvious
There's statistical analysis and evidence for the PvP too, v=ca-NuR3Syug
Somebody named Glestic had someone with a Masters in Statistics analyze his gameplay and he gives more mathematical proof. As in, 1 in 833 OCTILLION chance his pvp gameplay is legit over the years.
I mean his crosshairs basically never left the body of his opponent. Like needing a statistical analysis to prove 6 is less than 7
@ballah1937 67 😂
Ah I see it's time for the annual Dream cheating incident again
The only other thing Dream can speedrun other than Minecraft is drama itself
xD
Annual? The last time I heard about him cheating was in 2021 lmao
Lol
I was trying to give Dream the benefit of the doubt in the past, but at this point it's clear that he doesn't deserve it anymore. I dunno why he's still streaming at this point.
I love how this video is basically "no, he didn't cheat this way, but he DID cheat THIS way"
I mean it's more, "The arguments presented for how he cheated aren't compelling enough, however, I'm more inclined to believe them after all the other cheating I found that they didn't mention before"
@pacmonster066its more like "this argument is weak. THIS argument is why i believe he used a macro
@nEiKKah I would love to hear how you think I misunderstood the video. As I basically rephrased Karl's own conclusion he says at the end of the video.
The first half of the video is Karl laying into all the arguments presented by top Minecraft parkour streamers talking about how they aren't logical or compelling enough to state definitively that Dream was using an auto-jump macro. Only for the second half to show clear examples of Dream cheating at other times with poor explanations from Dream to excuse them. With Karl concluding that while the earlier evidence wasn't convincing, he's more willing to believe it in light of all the other cheating Karl found. Which is exactly what I paraphrased in my jokey response to the OPs statement.
@czechvirusS You just rephrased exactly what I said in more simplistic terms..
I swear, there's something in the water
Did you not even watch the video? He didn't say that dream was definitively not cheating in that instance. He said that the provided evidence was biased and insufficient to prove he was cheating.
Today we learned that if you want to cheat with a macro, turn it on and off occasionally to completely throw off an investigation.
Or just come up with a convenient excuse when the evidence contradicts your argument...
This has always been the meta for cheating in any game
If this was a simple color based AHK script it could just be it failing randomly or the colors are too close to trigger in certain sections, which feels plausible since I'm seeing the skybox shifting colors on some jumps. A lot of online games will put similar colors to whatever trigger is needed for a success or rotate the screen slowly in areas that can be abused by similar scripts/bots specifically for this reason.
It reminds me of old RS mining bots, you could wear an outfit that was the same color as the ore they set up next to and they would follow you like a lost puppy.
It's not even occasionally, it's right after the macro screwed up on a particular jump both times. First example is the slime with the jump that shouldn't be pressed, then he turned it off when trying it after. Second time is when he hits the wall and the macro has him jump because of it, so he turns it off the following time, which is why he runs off on that exact jump.
First of all I want to say I'm sorry if I take this wrongly but if you're talking about he seems defending dream or/and his final take is that he isn't cheating then respectfully you're wrong because in 39:30 he talk about the dream parkour again and how he thinks that he cheat, if you ask: then why he say in the beginning of the video that the argument is weak, simple because he really thinks that they argument really is weak however he research to dream video in the past and he see more convincing argument to say that he cheats rather than the argument people have,
In conclusion just see 30:56 if you want to see his argument about why he thinks dream cheats or just see 39:30 if you want to see why he thinks dream cheats in parkour
yeah ive played minecraft pvp for like 12 years now and the aim assist is the most obvious shit ive ever seen
Yeah and those weren’t even the most blatant clips. Glestic made an in depth video about dream cheating in pvp and some of the clips there are even more obvious
So you're 12 years old
@Cringerly wtf twin
@Cringerly were you playing minecraft pvp when you were first born, fresh out of the womb? If you were, that's an amazing and herculean feat that us mere mortals cannot replicate.
@coolman9020 bro was literally born with the sole intention of playing minecraft
Hello, I am a world renowned astrophysicist and this all happened because of a cosmic ray hitting his computer repeatedly causing a bit-flip. I will be sharing my analysis soon.
Naww, it must be the fault of the supernovae 🥱😭
Damn sophons
ttc upwarp $1000 bounty (unclaimed)
Didn’t Karl confirm the astrophysicist was real… and also confirmed that Dream cheated in the doc which he was hired to make?
right like at least if you're going to fabricate a job try to fabricate the right one, I believe you mean you are a world renown data scientist with a specialty in probability statistics.
I'm pretty sure that toggling cheats on and off is almost certainly common practice for cheaters, specifically so that they can claim plausible deniability by pointing at instances where the cheat was off, to excuse those when it was on.
Karl completely rewrote the argument they were making so that he can once again pretend that others don't know what they are talking about and that he is the only truly trustworthy opinion out there. He does this all the time if you notice. The argument was never "Dream had a macro except when he failed then he didn't", it's "there are specific parts of the Parkour course where the automatic jumping screwed him, and then he failed those sections when trying again without it."
@OnionRingsWithTheSauce I mean it's not entirely wrong. He showed that mamy repeated pixel perfect jumps are entirely possible with visual cues, and therefore dream hitting many successful pixel perfect jumps in a row is not actually strongly indicative of cheating. He oven showed other speed runners doing the identical thing, and no one accused them of cheating. He is entirely correct that there was a lot of negative bias in the discussion. People have set WRs of hundreds of consecutive perfect jumps, but when Dream did 92 in one run, it was somehow undeniable proof of cheating.
@devial9879 I think that is a separate point. Of course you can hit multiple successful pixel perfect jumps in a row without it being suspicious. That alone is not a problem. But if we are focusing on specifically on the sections where he allegedly had the macro turned off, they were all in cases where the macro was messing him up. Like the iron bar edge, or the slime block. Looks very obvious that the autojump messed him up, and then after turning off the macro he failed multiple jumps that he was previously making. I think Karl was ignoring that point completely to discredit others just for the sake of it.
@OnionRingsWithTheSauceyes. It's POSSIBLE that happened. But there is no actual proof that it did. For the examples shown in the beginning, dream had absolutely reasonable explanations for his behaviour. Sure, they may be lies. Giving his other cheating, they probably ARE lies. But there is no actual proof for those instances, and everyone stating it as though it's an objective fact of nature that he must have had a macro during those sections shows clear and obvious negative bias.
@OnionRingsWithTheSaucemedia literacy is dead
I don't think he'd ever admit to using aim assist because that's not something you can make an excuse like 'my bad I didn't know I had it on" for
the timing of his wrist injury would at least earn him some sympathy points lol. but i don't even know how a dream response would look like. he's already like the most polarizing minecraft content creator
I'm certain it was his roommate, Clara.
CLAARRRAAAAA!!!
I'm actually very concerned if he was using it for the Daquavis duel. I saw someone argue for another video that aim-assist was used for the Technoblade duel, but I found it less than convincing.(at least for now) I think it is far more convincing that he is using aim-assist now, and this would put him closer to the Daquavis duel. And the Technolade duel was Mr. Beast's money, plus they split it. Cheating in the Daquavis duel would be much more egregious if that is what happened.
@hartvenusI don’t think he would even get sympathy points. One reason being he even cheated against technoblade in their $100k 1v1 years ago with the same aim assist
@kimercal That's not proven definitively. The one video on it is not great. The stats cannot be verified and it was originally published with a fake clip in it (which later got blurred).
One weird thing about the slime section at 11:00 is that Dreams explanation is that he's holding space so that he can headbump for extra speed. But, in the clips you've shown, he doesn't once attempt to do that. He just lands and runs normally.
He does though. This is how you're supposed to do these types of jumps... Try it yourself.
And it's not *just* for extra speed. When you hold jump, your next jump is buffered on a timer. The next jump happens to be at a tick (i think its 11 ticks later?) that puts you in the head hitter position and thus will allow you to clear the block above you
@girraiffeNo, I understand what the jump is supposed to do. At 11:00 he showcases that.
But, when watching the clips at 11:30 which are from his run he doesn't headbump.
@girraiffeThis doesn't apply to the version of Minecraft dream was playing in the clip
@lovefairy7 But the question is "Did Dream actually know that?"
Because you guys are assuming that he knows literally everything about the game. What if he was playing the game in a previous update until that day?
TLDW: prolific cheater cheats prolifically
Very simple explanation, thank you 😂
Thank you, this video is way too long
In other news study finds water is wet.
idk I'm 20 minutes in and it seems like dream isn't cheating.
@felipearmwrestler4852lol he did
Massive news for the unemployed
Highlight for me is the streamer reading chat and saying "you doing NNN?"
"Yeah."
I love how westjett has become iconic for this
Brother are you even employed?
got fired this week, this couldn't have come at a better time
We need a dream cheating compilation that would be sick.
To me the aim wiggles are the most damning as someone who doesn’t play this game, but plays a lot of counterstrike. It is very common for people with tracking bots to wiggle with no variance in how far that wiggle goes especially at high sensitivity because the distance for each wiggle becomes a smaller distance on the mouse pad. It is physically impossible to do the micro movements without more variance.
And the fact the dot stuck to his chest like a 3rd nipple. Center mass only never waivering. Even if someone tries to explain away micro adjustments / wiggles with super high sens, even then you would overshoot / correct even more often, not less. So common to see these days, especially in any online fps or hero shooter. Competitive integrity is lost in most games now unfortunately
@JustAPriapismAnd for that reason I have slowly distanced myself from competitive multiplayer games and transitioned back into difficult single player games.
i've played a whole bunch of FPS games like TF2, CSGO, Unturned, Warmode (rip) or Arsenal on roblox, and those perfect wiggles (once noticed) and the impeccable tracking are just plain blatant
@LiterallyMyst Playing against a cheater basically turns a competitive multiplayer game into a difficult single player game lol.
I would want to see a "player angle relative to opponent position, over time" graph, to show where his angle locks onto his opponent and where it doesn't, because I think you'd see very distinctive visual cues for where the aimbot is turned on, and turned off (said wiggling, and I'd also throw in as another possible signifier of an aimbot "constant-degree angle changes over time, irrespective of opponent angle")
I'm still completely baffled that so many people keep calling edge-detecting auto-jump mods "macros." This lazy labeling makes the whole community look technically illiterate.
These utility/cheat mods read the player's exact coordinates and nearby block data every tick. They detect edges and automatically input a jump right before a fall happens. That requires real-time game-state reading and automated decision-making. Macros do something much simpler and entirely blind. They repeat fixed inputs in a sequence with no awareness of the game world. For example, one key can spam a specific key combo while it is held down, or press MOUSE1 every 25-30 ms or move the cursor X amount of pixels per key press. No position checks, no edge detection, no conditional logic based on the player's state or crosshair placement, just mindless key sequence repetition. And the same principle applies to aim assist as well. It constantly knows your crosshair location, checks if an enemy is visible and in range, then actively moves the crosshair/cursor to track them smoothly. Macros have zero ability to do any of that because they don't read the game or make adjustments based on live information.
Yet this mislabeling continues nonstop. It confuses newcomers, weakens serious accusations of cheating, and makes everyone sound like they don't understand the difference.
I get the sentiment, and I agree. But there isn't really a clear technical line between a macro and another cheating program. Your distinction seems to be on the basis of how much data is available to the tool (be it macro or cheating program). "They repeat fixed inputs in a sequence with no awareness of the game world." So by this definition, a tool that can see when your satiety is low and eats for you is not a macro; a tool that checks the attack cooldown indicator is not a macro; any tool that detects a bobber splash while fishing is not a macro. But I think they all could be considered both macros and cheats, depending on the rules of the server.
@ZandarKoad ok a macro is something that you can reasonably implement in autohotkey while a cheat is something you can't, and would reasonably implement in Java
i was so confused for the first half of this whole video lol. Trying to figure out how a macro could help with a parkour challenge at all
@maple... Same, I was baffled, "what, macros are banned?"
@ZandarKoad All of your examples are indeed not macros. If it's reading game state it's just a cheat tool. So auto-eat and auto-click timing aren't macros.
You could do an auto-click macro that does it based on the timing of your last click though. Instead of reading the game state for it it just waits however long the game's delay is and clicks again.
I'm a 28-year-old man watching near hour-long video about a guy I've never met before possibly cheating in a game I don't play.
I do that for basically ever Karl Jobst video.
Welcome brother
not that different from a 40 year old watching a football game, is it?
Same
the best drama is the one you dont care about, ive found
see, the problem with lying is that once you are caught, you lose the benefit of any doubt. even your truths will be viewed negatively.
Well said. This isn't life or death, nobody is risking jail time. You lie: you lose.
Could also be applied to a certain lawsuit...
@JustWowNick only lie he told was that he was gonna win ezpz. you not understanding the nuances is on you. and once you learned about it if you still thought it wasn't bullshit, well thats on you too.
@uoislame This is lowk hard defense bro ngl..he lead his audience on for almost a year for no good reason but his own ego. Its lame asf ans peaks a lot to his character. Remember actions speak louder than words. When someone shows you who they are believe them.
@Enby-TNC Which is exactly why I know you are full of crap, your words say one thing and yet here you are, deep in the comments on a new video...Hmmmm...
5 years ago?? 😭 Where has the time gone 💔
It feels like a dream..
@W1TCH3R_CLIPS ...say that again 👀
@rizaadon 67
I can't believe it this feels like it happened 2 years ago max.
What a ten years it's been
37:29 it makes me sick to think that dream might have cheated against technoblade in his 1v1.
i have reviewed some of the footage of dream in the 1v1 against technoblade. And i have a strong suspicion he is cheating but i am no expert and my conclusion has little merit.
well based on the video he suggests that the aim assist likely started when dream broke his arm, post 2023. also seems like;y that dream wouldn't have lost against techno if he was cheating. even in 1.8 pvp where aim is so much more important.
that said, how hilariously ironic would it be if dream *was* cheating, but trying to be careful with it. by like...toggling it on and off. and the mental energy/focus he put towards controlling his mod caused him to lose? thats the type of poetic justice my dopamine gland loves.
@robertking-yt According to Gleistic's video on Dream's PVP Aimbot Cheating it seems likely that he actually was cheating in the Technoblade duel however since there isnt much footage its hard to make a 100% conclusion on it. Given Dream's track record and untrustworthiness im definitely leaning more towards the cheating side.
Also aimbot isnt the end all be all skill in Minecraft PVP, Dream has lost to certain player even while aimbotting after all, theres a bunch of other skills that matter too. I genuinely believe that he might've straight up lost, even while cheating, because Techno was just that good
Tbh I went back and checked and his Technoblade pvp includes a lot of shaky aiming and signs that it was legit, I can't tell for sure obviously and I don't know how valid given his history with cheating but I'm leaning towards legit
I thought this was a reupload. 😂
It is?
@cuddlequeen3225 it is not
@MattRandomnumber Bruh what is Dream doing
I've seen this thumbnail...
@MattRandomnumberoh?
Bro installed the ‘better luck’ mod 💀
Nah he's just built different. He should try buying some lottery tickets given his history for "luck".
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Karl: "Your research is weak and proves nothing. I'll do it myself."
Based Jarl Kobst
And yet Karl lost to Billy Mitchell
@ALEXANDERdk007 Honestly the only L he's ever had
@ALEXANDERdk007 And?
@ALEXANDERdk007 BM literally lied about the $50k damage and the judge went and believed him.
BM did contribute to Apollo's suicide with vexatious litigation he just was not the primary cause. Anyone in that sequence of events would have gotten super stressed. It's like having the Obots (with arrest histories!) coming after you because you won't submit to perverts Raghav Arora and his girlfriends.
I never once believed that he "accidentally" left that stuff on in his original cheating scandal. A person with integrity would have seen it immediately, admitted the error, and asked everyone to strike down the run. Instead we had to wait weeks and go through that astrophysicist nonsense.
Good on you for uncovering even more cheating from this absolute loser. I firmly believe he's cheating in the MCC stuff too, even if Karl isn't convinced enough with the evidence presented. It's just unfathomable to believe he *doesn't* cheat at something. Plus, some other comments have shed a bit more light on it, so.
Great video as usual.
I wonder if he has older steam accounts with VAC bans that he keeps hidden
48:00 around this part, you can tell that in dream's fake explanation he's moving to the sides with A/D, but in the cheated run he's holding W and changing his looking angle, because the change in direction is way more smooth there
yeah I was thinking the same thing. He is changing where he looks and is not hitting a or d at all in those runs.
Can we publically throw tomatoes at dream
Yeah its so obvious lmfao
Yeah and even if it wasn't that smooth, it's an incredibly odd motion to do in general. Like, you're on a glass pane - there's literally not much wiggle room for you to do before falling clean off. The fact that he did that GIGANTIC smooth wiggles is extremely damning.
@infinitelucidmaze LOL
That aim bot is egregious. It looks like his camera is floating and perfect locked to the person he's fighting
No matter how many times the guy says "wiggle" my eye balls aren't seeing it.
@altKingCarrot Same.
@Dee@Dee_Sandovale it’s the most obvious during the slow motion at 35:20 watch the crosshair while it moves vertically it also does a micro zigzagging back and forth too fast and too fine to be human input.
Wow i have never seen someone with my profile picture, ive had this for so long i dont remember where its even from.
@jameshillmann1784lmao
Technoblade: "See what they need to mimic a fraction of my power?"
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8weird ass people talking about someone's death by cancer like this. Tf
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8the fuck?
Techno even beats dreams cheater ass using aim assist in their 1v1
dream was also accused of using aimbot in his 100k showmatch against technoblade which he lost, so this rings kind of true lol
@thesuperdoge2476 As if Techno wouldn't be doing the same. It was literally his type of humor.
Tbh this is genuinely depressing, because I kept giving Dream the benefit of the doubt since the video you've made on him five years ago, with the initial previous conclusion of "he cheated, but on accident."
With these patterns, though. It's almost indefensible. It's a shame.
How about you stop being naive and manipulated?
It was very clear he cheated 5 years ago, regardless of what karl said.
When the cheating allegations first came up, dream's literal first action was to lie about the moderation team
You cannot trust a person who immediately lies to protect themselves when one year later they say "I had the mod installed accidentally" and as evidence bring up people that are under their employment
Hopefully this can clarify a few things about Dream's parkour allegations. (do not read if you hate essays)
- The Parkour Warrior course does not require a lot of perfect tick timings, but they do definitely exist. The crux of such jumps are on the last stage (called salmon ladders) where 2/3rds of the jumps are forced tick timings (the other 1/3 can use much safer, essentially 100% strategies but are slower)
- For someone considering themselves as a top level parkourer, It is weird that his playstyle is very uniquely flawed, for example, choosing to always jump at the last possible timing with no immediate benefit or follow-up advantage.
- In the slime clip, he says he pressed space too early, but if we go by his gameplan for that level, then he would have probably over 0.6s (12 ticks) of leniency to press space after bouncing on the slime. Regardless, it is odd that he jumps off the slime instead of running off, additionally because it means he has to wait even longer before he can return to checkpoint.
- The cobblewall clip has gotten a lot of misunderstandings so here's what actually happened. First off, the wall did not directly trigger the hack, nor did it "push" him to the edge. Rather, Dream wants to move around the wall, so when he tries to do so, he hits the wall. His horizontal velocity on one axis is now 0 (because he hit the wall) but his velocity on the other axis is still moving closer to the edge. What this means is that if Dream did the exact same movement, inputs and angles included, but the cobblewall was missing, he would still get close to the edge and the hack will trigger.
- The audio in his record run is very odd, especially how the silent sections compare to the audible sections. For example, you can hear his keyboard in stage 7-3, but the following audio in stage 8-1 is silent. In stage 8-2, every hh he takes is silent, but on his 1 block momentum 4 block, you can hear his keyboard very clearly, including when he presses space. In stage 8-3, it is also silent, except for when he jumps up to the chair at the end, after completing the hard part.
- Dream's claim of using visual cues to jump is not entirely wrong, but it is inconsistent with what he claims. Even then, visual cues are not foolproof from jumping too late. Dream claims that he uses crouching as a visual cue, which can be true. Crouching is a visual cue, but it isn't a good one compared to other visual cues when we want to guarantee better chances of success. Left clicking (punching), or even better, jumping in place, are often better visual cues as it gives you much more time to align yourself with the tick. It is much more difficult to use uncrouching as a visual cue when it only provides 2 ticks of confirmation whereas punching gives 7 ticks, and jumping in place gives 12 under normal conditions, which is what AsianLife does to do his 800+ hhs. Otherwise, Dream shuffling around to give himself better chances of jumping out is not entirely wrong, but is essentially still under the "luck" nature of ticks.
- Dream's recent demonstration of doing 50 "perfect tick timings" is much easier than actually doing perfect tick timings in an actual course. His was not only visual, but it was rhythmic. For specific details, to do 50 in a row means to press space 19 ticks (0.95 seconds) apart (when he is looking straight) or 20 ticks (1 second) apart (when he is looking diagonally). Because it is completely rhythmic, the difficulty is lowered tremendously, because in essence it is the same as staying on beat with a metronome. Karl also shows lily's 1000+ chained triple neo video, which is more or less the same thing (ignoring additional technical details), a combination of visual cues and a perfectly aligned rhythm (tap A every 12 ticks). In a general parkour course, you're not likely to get that luxury of being able to time like a metronome. Therefore, Dream's demonstration doesn't refute the allegations.
- Karl already mentions Dream's fishbones stage attempts. There's a good amount of more details to explain the oddities but that involves quite a bit of technical details about strafing, collisions, and collision order.
- Let's also not forget to mention that showing people that you can do it now does not mean you cheated in the past, regardless if you actually did cheat or not. That would be like saying I didn't cheat in speedrunning in 2020 because I can speedrun well right now.
It has been 6 years since this happened, so it was surprising to hear Dream mention that "6 years" is not a valid excuse. High level parkourers can pick out Dream's gameplay oddities, but this was based on hundreds if not thousands of hours of practice and experience, and it becomes hard to put it in words. Also, the fact that Dream is being accused doesn't have to do with parkour being improved over the years. It certainly has, but parkourers already knew all about ticks and their consequences before Dream joined MCC. To be honest, top parkourers back then can definitely "out-parkour" Dream, but realistically no one cared to do so, and it was a for-fun event.
This was super informative and fun to read, thanks ❤
Dang that really was an essay.
The aimassit accusations aren't just for recent gameplay. They are going back to his duel with technoblade.
And he still lost! TECHNOBLADE NEVER DIES!!!
lollol-w8g that fight was like 6 years ago man no need for the attitude its just a game dickhead
lollol-w8g L ragebait, try harder next time
the actual stats document in that video is REALLY poorly done, I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on aim but the evidence at this point in time just isn't there.
@alphamamba3076 i mean he is right.. like yeah i love technoblades content (rip legend) but he really wasnt ever that good. he was never a top 10 pvper.
"This person would need to be so psychopathic, so manipulative, so insane, that I've never seen it before"
That was a weird reasoning error in Karl's last Dream cheating video. All he would need to be is a habitual liar, which plenty of people are. Especially someone with a huge career on the line - that could *make* you a habitual liar through immense pressure (if you weren't one already) if that was your only way out. You'd think someone who covers cheaters would know better. He clearly let his personal bias get in the way.
"He'd have to be an insane psycho to lie to me, his friend!" (unfounded claim)
"And I know he isn't a psycho!" (another unfounded claim, actually; also obvious bias)
@w7bUxhwRYUo8Lv Funny that he talks about others being biased while making one of the most biased claims I've seen in my life. Saying that you have personally never seen someone that psychopathic or manipulative before, which is influencing your decision that someone is innocent, is literally the clearest example of bias I can think of. It's literally making a conclusion by relying on subjective observations: whether or not it "feels" like he would be crazy enough to do that. The whole point of being unbiased is that you don't take your subjective opinion about someone into account and focus solely on the facts. Karl does this constantly and still does to this day.
The thing is tho, Karl’s video 4 years ago was (partly) about whether dream cheated with or without intent. Unless dream himself confesses, theres really no way to 100% know, and I think an educated guess is the best we can get. I personally don’t have a problem with using biased evidence in times like this. But like Karl himself said at the end of the vid, it sorta is up to you to decide what yall think of dream
Karl throwing shade at the rising gambling sponsorship issue during his ad read actually made me giggle
Rising? It’s already taken over lol. Shits everywhere and nth is done abt it
I have an ad-block extra feature that skips those LOL
@Philip_Taylor I can't imagine watching RUclips without Adblock lmfao, literally only way it is enjoyable
@Philip_Taylor Sponsorblock ftw! Sponsors have pretty much gotten as bad as ads by this point. I've lost count of how many videos I've seen, where the sponsor segment is a 3rd of the whole video.
@EarthboundX I pay for YT premium for the music. It has a jump ahead feature that skips what most people skip and always hits the sponsor segments. I love it.
38:14-39:25 "It's interesting that Dream's aim got much better right after he underwent a [hand] surgery!"
Well, obviously, he got a cybernetic enhancement!
Woah, he's Jetstream Sam but without being cool.
The slime jump is unexplainable. There's 0 reason you would press space THAT quickly after landing on the slime when you have the entire duration of being in the air to do so.
or, you know, it was a mistake... crazy right?
@sun_shard there is 0 reason to press spacr that early bro. Only explain is maybe it is just a bad habit
@sun_shard The problem is, if he was using the macro there, it behaves incorrectly, then it it gets toggled. Both times. Plus if someone cheats once, they will probably be predisposed to cheat again. Esp. considering how many eyes dream had on him to be the 'best minecrafter' bc thats what he built his career on, the pressure to perform would be insane, using a cheat here or there makes sense.
I don't think anything he did in the MCC run is crazy or unlikely enough to definitively prove he cheated. The problem is that it doesn't matter. Dream has publicly cheated and lied about it multiple times at this point, so he is inherently untrustworthy. If he won't own up to lying, there isn't any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No, the slime jump explanation makes sense. I've done the same several times.
Karl I'm disappointed that you didn't bring up that Dream obviously started his Elytra in second gear before the race began. That's why he was faster than everyone else.
His flipped his crocs into sport mode
Amazing reference
man would've stalled smh
elytra's have gears? 🤣
@sanitymindz9250it's a joke for the dragrace wr faker
A second allegation has hit the Dream Tower.
dream being a cheater for like 6 years and people still invite him to a lot of stuff is astonishing...
He's like the most popular minecraft youtuber in the world. No shit people invite him. They want to benefit from his popularity too.
Mate, not even heavy grooming and intimidation allegations stopped people from inviting him. He's too popular and youtubers care too much about money.
@aeolianthecomposer I thought his popularity faded pretty much completely after his face reveal?
Edit: lol I guess I just stopped hearing anything about him and thought he faded away into obscurity 😂
@clokie6671 I mean allegations were fake though so that's not a valid point
Much like Karl’s nemesis (forgotten his name, his hair looks like a hoody 🤣), proven cheater but still has a tonne of fans…🤷♂️
Yall ever heard of Occam's razor?
lol, thank you
Why the fuck am I watching this
Cause YT recommendations has run out.
Karl has a soothing voice
A person who lost credibility trying to regain it by taking on an easy target everyone hates more. The go to move for people that destroyed their reputation.
@ryancraig110 Ironic coming from a Billy fanboy! 😂
@MattGraves01 i hate Billy too. Its the reason i stopped watching Karl. He was supposed to take Billy down but he didn't he lied. He acted like the champion of the people that would finally bring justice but showed he was also a lier. Both can suck Billy is worse but Karl still lied and mislead people and didn't take accountability he didn't practice what he preached and that hurts his credibility as a journalist. Just because someone is criticising one doesn't mean they are defending the other you can criticise both. I don't hate karl but i don't trust him. He lost that.
I feel like dream manufactures these controversies because he knows it gets engagement.
Not unlikely tbh.
and it works every time 😂
He learned that there were literally no consequences and his popularity and income only increased after he was caught cheating the first time. This world rewards you for being a worse person, it's kinda funny.
sure he is just predictin ts 5 years in advance dawg lol.
@treyxi2772any publicity is good publicity if you know how to spin it.
Look at the orange colored human shaped joke my country voted to be our president.
Just gotta know how to spin it, how to shout louder than the detractors and how to distract the ADHD mobs, it really is that simple.
While I agree that short tick timings 1-2ts can be alleviated with visual cues (I am the WR holder of most 1-ticks in a row after all), uncrouching for visual cue is simply inhuman to do. The uncrouch animation is only 1 tick long (+1 tick pre-animation) long, so in order to react to each uncrouch and make it count as a true visual cue, you would either need an absurd 100ms reaction time every single time you uncrouch, or have an inhuman internal clock that allows you to press the inputs for a 1t jump on some multiple of 50ms + 25ms.
To explain in more detail, ideally you want to start your inputs for a short tick timing as close to the middle of the client-side tick as possible (25ms into a tick). This is because if you do any input from 50ms give or take 10-15ms of variance, you will still be guaranteed a 1t timing despite having imperfect timing. Sort of ironic, but the way that Karl explained the visual timing is correct, but in order to use visual timing to your advantage, the visual cue has to be at least longer than 4 ticks (the average professional level player's reaction time) AND must be consistent. In other words, you need a visual cue FOR the visual cue lol. Even if you get into a rhythm, uncrouching, then doing a 1t is simply not consistent without a longer visual cue to align yourself. No human has a built-in metronome to start doing something with a 50x + 25ms delay consistently. This is the main reason why I jump before doing 1t jumps, because it is a full 12 ticks per jump cycle, which is far easier to visually align myself myself compared to a 2 tick cycle of uncrouching.
Now, let's assume Dream is somehow able to visually align himself with the uncrouch animation. This would mean the timing between each uncrouch and then subsequent movement forward to do a short tick timing should be consistent. If you did frame-by-frame analysis on each of these and found that this was consistent throughout (with some variance based on frame-rate), then I guess it is plausible that he did this legitimately and you could exclude this evidence. However, simply ignoring it because it is "technically possible" is a bit too quick of a conclusion. Overall however, I do agree with you that many claims in previous videos and reactions to Dream's gameplay were overblown and the claims were exaggerated or misleading.
All-in-all, more analysis can be done, and I hope someone will take even more time to do a deeper dive into these very small, but important details. I do hope that this generates more interest in Minecraft as a serious platforming game! The best outcome is that people finally learn about the advanced minecraft parkour community (mostly situated in niche 1.8 only parkour servers and discords), and give it a try! It is an incredible community with a long and deep history that deserves recognition, even if it took some relatively mundane drama for it to be highlighted.
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Your whole issue with the crouch animation time is mitigated by dream knowing that he is releasing crouch. So he knows what to expect. It's used to develop a rhythm. It is not like the game is randomly un-crouching lol you used a jumping animation, but you could probably use the same crouch aid with some practice.
Fantastic analysis from an actual expert! Makes sense that you need to account for longer latencies, even just those caused by the input -> image out delay. Replying to bump
I think what carl was saying would still hold up tho since having any type of visual cues will change the data
the only defense I can give him is that he didn't say he looks to the left to make the fishbone jumps. He only said that he looks at an angle that will make him slide off the glass pane, which he does visibly do.
Fork found in kitchen
Clippy found in chat.
Oh TEEM. Come to throw more BM slaps about? We know who "assigened" you.
Nah Karl was doubting if Dream was actually cheating since he didn't find a solid proof on the evidences found
@cernos7230as more people should find out. People should be “There is evidence? Let me be sure and look this over” instead of “There is evidence? Well he must be guilty”
Bro aint even watch the video
I love how you actually consider the opposing side, this is WAYYY more entertaining than watching someone just lash out and accuse them in every way possible
I don't think it's exactly "considering the other side" so much as, he is building a sound argument from a neutral basis. People too often let their biases cloud their logic and form poor arguments
yes karl jobst famously a paragon of virtue
@annie420xx genetic fallacy
Yeah the people that do that are so corny about it too like omg relax it’s just minecraft drama
People say that I cheated my way through the exams to become an astrophysicist. Nowadays I resort to gamers to prove them I didn’t cheat.
The thing about dream is that EVERYTHING he has done is fake. All if his insane clips from the manhunts were choreographed, there was the speedrun fiasco, and if he really cared he would use multimc or some other instance manager to isolate the speedrun install. At the very least he failed to do his due dilligence and if someone in good faith had been specifically accused of having too much luck with the specific things they have a practice mod to adjust, it would be your number one suspect to go check instead of paying someome to do a statistical analysis.
Dreamwasfaken
legendary comment
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Fraudwastaken
Sounds like a German word 😂
Hey what do you think of my movie civilware
So dream cheats in pvp, parkour, luck
might as well be a movie character and call all of that plot armour
Fyi there is a Marvel character who's ability is being lucky. She was also in the first Deadpool movie.
Yet he still lost to Technoblade 🪦
next minecraft movie will have dream as the main character
Domino was in the sequel, not the first movie
@victormW-x4m That he did! Whats crazier is that its fairly likely Dream was cheating IN the duel against Technoblade which is insane to think about
Technoblade : We won because I did hours of vod research to find out the exact materials we need for build battle.
Dream : I won because it was a bug
Legends never die
Techno's build mart was so legendary. I love how they had to change multiple games just because he found ways to dominate them too much lmao. RIP absolute legend
@JesusLover800The bingo was also amazing. (Where he killed people for items)
To be fair, Dream ALSO did that research, though he wasn't quite as prepared as Techno. In their post-game conversation, when Techno says he researched all 28 possible builds, Dream responds "There's 29 actually".
For the audio argument, I think if he was using pk hacks we would have heard the spacebar on the yellow headhitters section, because jumping at the edge of the block (with hacks) messes up the headhitters. He should have had to manually press space bar there and we would have heard it amidst the quietness of previous sections.
One thing about the previous cheating accusation that was done very well in the paper released by the mods was how they accounted for bias. The actual probabilities of drop rates were less than half of the paper, the majority was them looking for and accounting for factors that may have biased their perception and data.
For instance: They collected data from a certain amount of streams and then calculated if their claims held up assuming that they have deliberately chosen the specific streams that made Dream look the worst.
the thoroughness of that investigation was really impressive. ironically i think that really points towards dream not actually knowing he did cheat at first, because it would have been wild to hire an astrophysics professor to disprove such a clearly unbiased report if you actually knew you cheated.
@elonjaric4948Dream didn’t know that he accidentally cheated until after he has already hired the astrophysicist.
@Helloiamraymondi know, that is what i wrote.
My sweet summer child, you still believe the "I accidentally cheated" excuse?😅
@elonjaric4948OH sorry it was early in the morning. I thought you were contradicting yourself. I read “Dream didn’t know” and “Dream hired an astrophysicist knowing that he cheated.” I didn’t read the word if.
The only way this can be settled is for the current parkour champion to challenge dream to a parkour battle
He just engaged the clutch until 0 and then popped the clutch already in 2nd gear.
"See you all just don't understand how to play the game. You have to rev it to the redline, then pop the clutch already in second gear, that's how you get a time not even physically possible."
"That.... it... you can't do that. That's not how it works at all."
"So you pop the clutch and take off in 2nd, that's how it's done."
LMAO
I like watching these videos because its so unfathomable to me that someone would actually care about things like these. Its so ridiculous to a normal human being to think that anyone would go to these lenghts to cheat in a very specific mode in a childrens game. It helps me to put things i struggle within real world in perspective. Its very comforting to know that there are people that use their precious time to care about trivial stuff like this that honestly have no association to real world problems. Thanks for providing this kind of content. It works as a stress reliever for me.
to be fair, he's not cheating for the sake of winning the childrens games. he has a huge following and has made a ton of money off of his reputation as a good player. and stands to make even more if he can grow or even maintain that reputation/attention.
I didn't see your video about the original viral cheating scandal, but you had to be giving practically limitless amounts of charitability to him.. When you get accused of using an increase luck mod, get provided mountains of statistical data showing the numbers that directly match a luck mod that you use for practicing, and your immediate response is not, "oh damn, I must've left that mod on," and instead hire a professional mathematician to try and discredit the data, Its pretty obvious in my opinion what's actually going on.
exactly. you're telling me that he didn't once check his enabled mods after people started talking? or that he didn't go to turn the luck mod "back on" for more practice and see that it was still activated? the absolute latest he could've gone without knowing is imo ~a week and even that is being EXTREMELY charitable. but instead of just saying "sorry, my bad" and denouncing the run once he realized he dragged denying it out for HALF A YEAR???? of COURSE he was deliberately cheating. anyone who believes otherwise has either not thought about it for longer than 5 seconds or is lying to themselves
THIS IS WHAT I'D BEEN GETTING AT BUT NOBODY POINTED IT OUT CUZ IT WAS SUCH A DIFFERENT TIME
Generally called a "steel-man." Where you give the opposing argument as much leeway and benefit of the doubt as possible. So that when you can still prove that argument wrong, it leaves no room for double and pre-empts any counter-arguments.
@NessOnett8Except he literally said in this video that he believed Dream before this. Also, a steelman is not about giving someone benefit of the doubt. It's about representing their argument accurately. What I typed is in no way a strawman. It is accurate to what happened, and it is unreasonable in my opinion to give it the benefit of the doubt, because the doubt is not reasonable.
@biomseed I mean Karl examined it, and he concluded that he was pretty much innocent (or, at least, that his explanation was possible).
Who would hire an astrophysicist to prove their innocence before checking to see if they had any mods installed? (What innocent person would ever think to hire an astrophysicist to prove their innocence for cheating allegations in a video game.)
Someone with a vested interest in proving their innocence
They wouldn't do that and then just "figure out" later they had mods. Surprised Karl bought that bullshit but at least not it's obvious
More to the point, why an astrophysicist? Statisticians exist.
did you ever watch the original video? it's was never about "having any mods installed." i believe he knew he was cheating but his explanation isn't that illogical if you know how mc mods work
@MisterJackTheAttackastrophysicist isn’t gonna help. It just sounds smart
all minecraft needs is internal demo playback system like in Doom or Quake, if player's file goes out of sync on same program version, it's rejected
This is so true.
now thats a name i havent heard in a while
All that explanation about reaction time just to flex some dope juggling skills. Respect.
Here we go again
who knew karljobst was so good at juggling!!
A lot of people knew lol, this isn't the first time he's shown his juggling skills!
Really giving way to the "once a cheater, always a cheater" trope, huh?
Anyone who’s remotely good at parkour knows that the way Dream went about that fish bone section of the course is outrageous 40:00. Many of those jumps don’t require tick perfect timing if you don’t hug the front wall. But by hugging the front wall, you force every jump to be tick perfect, because if you jump a tick too early, the speed boost from your jump will be negated by the wall and you won’t have the momentum needed to get around the glass pane.
Moreover, he’s not sprinting in the direction he’s jumping. He’s walking sideways (a and d) and has to estimate the tick perfect timing off of his sideways movement. This is far more difficult than hitting a 1 tick jump in the direction you’re sprinting because you move less distance per tick, so it’s harder to estimate when exactly the last tick you’re standing on the glass is, and what tick you’ll walk off.
To describe an extreme example, if you tried to hit a neo by walking into the block you’ll be jumping around at an angle of 89.9 degrees. And then you very slowly move to the side, it’s almost impossible to hit the neo because the jump is still tick perfect but your sideways momentum is so low that you can’t properly estimate when you’ll walk off the block.
TLDR the way Dream runs the fish bone section is majorly tweaking, because you make the jumps way harder for yourself, and only makes sense if you know you’re 100% consistent at tick perfect jumps
I think his aim in that section is actually one of the most suspicious parts. It seems like he is jumping before he even realizes and has to adjust his aim after realizing. He aim is so jerky and reactionary. So unnatural for someone with practice
"The Parkourist SandwichLord" i never thought id hear this phrase in my life but here we aw
he's addicted to cheating
And lying to people's faces
Oh ok i just finished watching the video turns out he was probably cheating nvm
@dyna. He knows his fans will believe him and defend him no matter what
@D4RkXXIII sounds like another guy who's an unnatural color
He is addicted to the attention
"However, we don't live in a vacuum"
Groundbreaking
hey, creator of the video at 35:06 here- just wanting to make a few extra points.
first off, your journalism impresses me because this video was uploaded to my tiny second channel and was only public for a few days. i'll go into why I unlisted this video, but i'd like to confirm that I still stand by it entirely! but again thank you, i've been subbed since ~2019 when watching your goldeneye coverage
i used to cheat in MC back in like 2013-2016. a lot has changed apparently. i always assumed most big youtubers cheat because ive played with a ton of big youtubers before they became big and they used to cheat, and i assume not much has changed. im just curious though - what would an input blocker mod do?
@austiniscoolduh the input blocker mod would block dream from being able to attack/left click unless if certain conditions were met (in range of a target? falling? mouse over a target? holding a sword? etc). dream told me he often changed these conditions to help him practice pvp, but realized it may be wrong to use on multiplayer after he was temporarily punished by a server + after his own reflection. many players believe he knew it was unfair and had a different intent, some players believe he was straight up using a triggerbot cheat instead and lied about the mod, and some players believe he just made a genuine mistake and made a practice mod that went too far out of hand.
personally i'm willing to believe it was an attempt at a practice mod, but I dont know why he used it on servers and in recent manhunts as its obviously and objectively game altering whether an advantage or not. I thought manhunts were meant to stay quite vanilla
@takoyaki_Iover I think you should focus on school, because your reading capacity is being outshined by fourth graders
@takoyaki_Iover would you rather they just compress everything to a point where details are lost just so your attention span is satisfied?
@Meeple_Moose a TL;DR would be appreciated
I think that the parkour experts can obviously see the weird things he does but they dont have the proper skills or the exact knowledge to convey those thoughts clearly to others.
Tbf some of them were pretty convincing.
Kaelan and sandwich somewhat does but hamm definitely does but he just doesn't gaf as much as the dream's fans are calling him ableist for it
@-@-ysabelle-ableist for what😭😭😭 damn
@Ughihateithere ss going around of hamm calling dream slow when someone asked hamm about his call with dream
@Luckanio Are they fr? Calling someone slow is being ableist now? Its literally the equivalent of calling a person dumb. Is calling people dumb ableist now? These twitter ppl are insane man
11:30 slight problem with dream's explanation: the one before the failed jump is a head hitter, and he doesn’t do the head hitter and the failed jump doesn’t have a head hitter( the gap is too big)
damn thats crazy. does anyone have his wooting settings tho
He can't use the "cheating without knowing" excuse this time 😭😭😭
what the hell is up with people cheating in for fun or charity events. reminds me of the idiot who cheated in a pogchamps chess tournament and beat somebody who was 500+ ELO SR higher
That's how pathetic they are. They're always looking for victims to... victimize.
only that it didnt happen xD
I have seen far worse.
An arrogant billionaire decided to cheat against a former world champ that too in a charity event to make himself look smart ig.
What didn't happen? Dr Lupo admitting that he cheated in the chess tournament? You didn't see that fiasco?
@tester-E Yeahhh, just a 600 rated player making 26 consecutive top engine moves, nothing suspicious there lmao
No offense, but I think it was pretty obvious when dream "admitted" to cheating he was being dishonest. The mental gymnastics to think anyone could hire a modder to change the drop rates of items in their game ("for a video"), and then be called out for your drop rates being wrong and your first thought isnt "omg i must have used the mod I PAID TO BE CREATED", and instead think "im going to hire an astrophysicist to do a statistical calculation to defend me, and then spend months fighting it on twitter". There are alzheimers patients with more memory and wherewithal than what dream unironically expects us to believe he had during that scandal.
I do recall Karl saying that he felt like Dream's behavior during his confession lined up with someone genuinely believing it was a mistake, considering how openbook Dream was about releasing his evidence and how desperate he was to prove his "innocence" - However, Karl also added that if he were lying despite the measures he took, that Dream would have to be an extraordinary level of psychopath. The Occam's Razor is inching ever closer to the latter.
@codeyvo The problem with saying "his behavior lined up with someone genuinely believing it was a mistake" is evidence that he is innocent is that Dream has shown many times that he has a special talent for lying or being disingenuous extremely fluently. There are two examples in this video alone. It's actually impressive how he was able to provide those fake explanations without missing a beat.
@racerking5901 Considering that Dream didn't confess until months after he was banned from speedrunning, I wouldn't be surprised if he spent that time trying to do damage control considering his initial pastebin confession read like ridiculous fanfiction - I don't think someone like Karl wanted to admit that someone who was nice to him could be so mentally disturbed over one scandal, but of course, now things have changed.
Unemployment final boss vs the unemployment right hand man whos analyzing him
for me, the compelling evidence in mcc isnt the wall jump, it's the fact he's doing tick perfect jumps everywhere. in the first clip shown where hammsamichz talks about the 2x2, i'm more up in arms over the 2-1 afterwards. you can make that jump from *anywhere* on the block he's standing on with momentum, which he has. jumping so late can only be considered "needlessly showing off" if the person is playing seriously. it's 50ms away from falling and losing a lot of time. and he does this everywhere.
I'm surprised Karl didn't spend more time on this concern in the video. Dream's explanation for that was that those jumps were done in that way to line up the next jumps. Keep in mind this is a course he's memorized, it's not like he's just doing one jump at a time and then checking what the next jump is. That explanation makes sense to me. It's not really a risk to take a one tick jump when you're as consistent as he is and have visual cues.
@cartersmith9842 I mean I'm no subject matter expert here, just an observer. But aren't there entire sections where tick precision wasn't needed that he chose to do as one-tick jumps for no good reason? It is a pretty big unnecessary risk to force that in sections where you didn't need it at all.
"tick perfect jump" and it's just pressing the space bar 1 time per second
@zoroark567not necessarily. You would want to practice these 1 tick jumps a TON to make them as consistent as possible when they are necessary. It would be a good way to practice the trick even while playing other game modes. Idk anything about Dream or if he was that dedicated to this stuff though.
In this instance it seems possible for a pro, I'm not even halfway through the video yet tho.
Fully agreed, people dont give enough credit how stupid and pointless those jumps are. Anyone semi-dedicated is just gonna jump at their earliest convenience (either by tapping twice or just holding), because sprint jumping is faster than sprinting and him unnecessarily delaying the jumps is just costing him free time. If you have ANY amount of context of what "skilled player" would want to do its probably the most conclusive and easy evidence to prove he's cheating
the fact that there are so many suspicious instances in multiple different things in minecraft, i dont think you could ever trust dreams word and shouldnt be allowed to compete in anything that is competitive.
The problem is that "this feels suspicious" isn't really enough, because you might subconsciously apply some selection bias... that's how belief in all kinds of conspiracies is so common.
However, some conspiracies definitely are real - as is some cheating obviously. So, in order to separate between the "real cheating" and the "imagined cheating", there is really no way around looking for that small signal between all the noise, that very strongly points towards cheating.
Ya, I mean he hasnt been in MCC since 2022.
@highdefinist9697 That's just it though, you "can" say that it's enough. The line that gets crossed isn't, and doesn't need to be, definable. This is why we used to tell children about the Boy Who Cried Wolf, that at some point you'll lose all credibility and bad things can happen.
I thought YT was recommending that vid from years ago but then i see its a new one WTH 😭😭
The fact that you comparing jumping in a line to perfect parkour is something for sure.
yeah its baffling to me too that he doesnt account for the fact that doing identical inputs over and over in a straight line allows you to get into a rhythm that makes it way easier than constantly doing last tick jumps on an actual course with variation and no rhythm. thats such a dumb argument against the mcc allegations.
I wonder if he will end up admitting to this in one way or another.
When he takes his next bath next year
Why would he even have a mod changing elytra speed if he was speedrunning the base game when he would never go to the end?
I do actually agree, what would be the point? Not saying he couldn’t/wouldn’t have but I don’t see why you would bother. My only thought is the original mod pack was a “content” pack, so theoretically he would use it for other challenges?
@davidreeder722I’m pretty sure this was it
@davidreeder722 Dream, at that time, was making all kinds of weird MC videos where he would modify the game world. Now, that is by no means an explanation, but it does at least provide a viable reason, other than to intentionally cheat, for having a modified elytra speed. Again, I am not defending him or saying he was not aware of the increased speed, but, in this case, there other plausible explanations. If looked at by its self it could be looked at as an accident, but when combined with the other inconsistencies, they are damning.
@TheDainersssurely there’s no way he would only have one base instance of the game to use in those modded vids
The excuse he had at the time was that the mods were not for speedrunning, rather it was for his SMP server. It was "quality of life" changes that were supposed to be server-side allegedly, but were actually client-side.
Now why these modded changes would be subtle enough that you *could* include them in an officially submitted speedrun and it wouldn't be caught without a huge amount of analysis is about as good a question as why you wouldn't show the contents of the mod to the community once you came clean about it, or why you'd continue to keep it a secret despite learning about it months before you came clean, or why you'd hire an astrophysicist who you gave incorrect information to, or why you'd delete the game logs (which would have contained information that proved 100% whether you cheated or not) when your run initially faced skepticism... I guess it's just one of those questions we'll just never have the answer to.
Karls lifeless stare in his cam sections make me feel like he either already is or will be a serial killer
Are you okay? That's a lot of mind-numbing minecraft footage to go through.
Like he said, it’s his job. And I’m sure he unfortunately has litigation expenses to go through still
Didn’t even realize bro was still making content 💀
(^Referring to Dream here, NOT Karl lol)
I thought you talking about Minecraft
Honestly I was shocked when you said you believed him that he didn't intentionally cheat all those years ago, it seems like he was using the basic deflecting tactics every other cheater does when exposed. I am glad you've changed your mind finally
To be fair I think Karl didn’t wanna get attacked at the time.
Now that dreams channel has heavily died down it’s different.
@shadowxhero4953 You're probably right, if it was anyone else I'm certain he would've said that they are probably lying
I think Karl doesn't like the idea of realizing that some people are actual psychopaths, esp those whom he has positive interactions with.
I swear to God the minecraft community's integrity died with techno.
True, im glad he didnt see this era full of Drama and controversy where his friends either get exposed for supposedly being terrible people and fight against eachother. Rest in peace Techno ❤
i've got no doubt that he was lying about "accidentally" having those mods to increase his chances by this point. he lies about all this stuff too, it's a pattern
yeah, the one thing this video did is prove hes a chronic liar. people like that lie about anything and everything. combined with the ego the average person gets when they receive a lot of fame it all makes sense and where i would guess the problem lies. he tries to be the best at everything, but thats impossible (even being the best at 1 thing is insanely difficult) so he cheats, then lies, just to prove how "skilled" he is because his own ego demands it. under this light it doesnt matter what the thing is. speedrunning attempts, charity events, anything, big or small, hes gotta be nr 1 or at the least one of the best
@waifu_png_pl6854he's like Riolu. If there was a way to completely catalogue all of dream's cheating he would probably be too embarrassed to appear online ever again.
@tobyonatabe2601 Riolu? The pokemon?
@CR1MSONACE The trackmania player, watch "trackmania's greatest conman" this guy was insane
I don't know why large parts of the internet still believe chronic liars. Normal sane humans like us would lose trust after a few lies. Do these people have a medical or psychological condition or something?😅
well well well..
lmao 5 years later and we're back with this
feeling deja vu i assume
Check out glestics video geosquare, it is super well made and has 100k views about dream cheating in technoblade duel
Check out glestics video geosquare, it is super well made and has 100k views about dream cheating in technoblade duel
geosquare revisting his arc
im glad to see you covering this issue, really sucks that any video regarding this topic is so shrouded in biases that its hard to even make a judgement...
@OrewaRenRnr Thank you for demonstrating how biases and stupidity stifle discussion!
@OrewaRenRnr dude what video did you watch that led you to the first conclusion?
For real. The amount of people blindly using the most insane and dumb logic against dream was nuts. Glad someone more objective is covering it
@gandalfwisdom Blind loyal fans calling other people dumb. Ironic......😅
@gandalfwisdom 1000% Agree karl is one of the best when it comes to objective Journalism on cheating in games atleast. Just looking at the comments though i feel like the people just got confirmation about their bias's and didnt learn anything about not trusting the first source that appears. they made their mind up from weak arguments not the solid ones. You could say that because of the weaker agruments the stronger ones were able to be uplifted and actually put a spotlight on the whole thing but I think it does more harm due to this outcome and reduces critical thinking
I watched the whole video, and i'm stuck with " wiggle wiggle wiggle " in my head, thanks
7:34 that’s not what’s being claimed here Jobst, he’s saying that dream’s macro activated when he reached the far side behind him, which is why he ran forward into oblivion, because he had accidentally triggered it and thus it’s cool down.
Exactly, the argument isn't a blanket "Dream had a macro except when he failed then he didn't", it's "there are specific parts of the Parcour course where the automatic jumping screwed him, and then he failed those sections when trying again without it"
@derandere4356thank you for explaining that, that makes sense
@derandere4356 I don't know why Karl couldn't understand that. They made their point incredibly clear. The whole time watching the video I was wondering why Karl was rewriting their argument. My guess is that he likes to claim that all the work that others have done isn't reliable, and that only he can be trusted. He's done this numerous times for other cheater allegations. He is essentially a sloptuber for cheater allegations. He reviews arguments that others have made, and the research he does on his own, if any, is very surface level and uneducated.
@OnionRingsWithTheSauce I'm also confused by Karl not understand the claim the top parkourers were making. However I wouldn't go as far as call him a sloptuber for this oversight. At 40:00 Karl analyzes level 5-1 and vod reviews an 8 hour stream that the top parkourers had overlooked, and this proved to be much more solid evidence anyway. This 40:00 segment should not be called surface level and uneducated.
they said the wall triggered it, also wasn't on the edge when that happened, like he said in his response, if you fail you lose your momentum and if you practiced a course a lot that will cause you to make even more mistakes
Damn.. Clara strikes again. She can’t keep getting away with this!!
Clara deleted my entire Steam game library downloads and replaced the game files with pictures of cats. Curse you Clara (but cute cat pics)!!!!!
Dream is so obnoxious to me. There's just something about this "wholesome" personality and cheating liar combo that really grinds my gears ^^
The biggest problem is people who are bias in these situations.
Never bought the story last time, just looks like a mass gasslighting campaign from a really smart cheater...
Don’t even think it was smart.
No part of that story made sense.
“Some guy modded my game and added cheat mods without asking, for no reason. So after months of cheating allegations, I decided to actually look at my game mods, and cooked up a story about how some unnamed guy was really at fault the whole time.”
It's smart in the sense that he knows he can get away with it, no matter the slip ups or how obvious it might be, just because he has such a strong following and a big platform. He can play dumb, he can admit he cheated by accident or he can try to prove he has nothing to hide however times he wants because he understands he can take advantage of his position him and his audience circled himself into
@newhavencon-py5yy the original story was actually plausible. "I commissioned a plugin, not a mod. But there was a mod component I wasn't aware of and was a smug asshole who didn't even consider I was wrong". Its a perfectly reasonable explanation, i dont even think most players know the difference between a mod and a plugin but falls apart when additional examples are provided. A macro is something you're guaranteed to feel, so it can't even slightly be explained away
Easy to say with hindsight, you aren’t special
@lja-j5g You can just go back to the orig vid and see a lot of posts saying as such.
With Dream being a huge content creator, I think his skill got hyped up too much by rabid fans, to the point he didn't want to fail the expectations and decided to get some "assists", there is no motive except trying to make himself look goated so people don't realise how bad he actually is.
He basically decided to live a lie for the praise.
After his cancellation and proving his innocence I thought he would break this habit. Sure he is still popular but not as beloved as he once was by rabid fans
It's not even like he's mechanically terrible or anything, he's still very much far above average in terms of skill, and even though his Manhunts were staged, they still included a lot of plays that take tons of mechanical skill to pull off.
He effectively had the same reputation in terms of skill within his community as Technoblade, two MC youtubers who were by all means really good players, but their community started thinking they were basically unstoppable players. Technoblade had the problem not as badly since he leaned into it ironically / played it off, and yknow, was actually a pretty cracked player.
The reality is that even the 1% best generalist players just won't be as capable as the very best crazy mofos who JUST do parkour, PvP or Elytra races.
Comparison to real sports: There are 4 disciplines in Alpine Skiing which already largely require the same skills and strength in the same muscle groups, and athletes still rarely excel at more than half of them, and almost never all of them. It's just that optimized.
So basically, I view every "goat" who even tries something like that with suspicion, especially if you a) can cheat (own hardware in private) and b) have the ego/cult of personality as a motive to do so.
@natesneatstuff8296 Praise is one hell of a drug.
He's definitely cheating now for the views and attention/ad revenue. his loyal fans don't give a shit if he cheats so any publicity is good for him.