The large hole in the back of JFK's skull means that he was shot from the front. Bullets make a small entry hole and a large exit hole. Note from my picture that I am an elk hunter which gives me first hand knowledge.
But you if you look at the Zapruder film you will see that his head exploded outwards from the front right side which means that the bullet could not have come from the front.
Zapruder film does not support a hole in back of head. The Secret Service agent who pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into car said the front right side of his head was blown out.
@@brianedwards4161 Exactly correct, which is how a military .556 fragmentation round is designed and engineered to perform. The Zapruder film is the ballistics proof of a 2nd shooter.
@@brianedwards4161 clint hill testified to the Warren commission as follows: Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any opportunity to observe the front part of his body, to see whether there was any tear or rip in the clothing on the front? Mr. HILL. I saw him lying there in the back of the car, when I was immediately above him. I cannot recall noticing anything that was ripped in the forward portion of his body. Every single witness who saw the presidents head in Dallas, said the same thing. But thats not what the film shows. Either they ALL miss remembered, OR the films been modified....I personally believe it's been edited and there is very very strong evidence of that. Clint hill has only said in certain situations, that it was the front top of the head, other times he lets the truth slip out
Yes. Has to be because of the large blown out size. Since he was so close, he said in a letter to an Author that he was 18 inches away and observed the wound for about 10 minutes...how could he possibly be wrong? Even if he was off an inch or two up down or either side...there still was a large several inch hole behind the right ear that is not seen in extant Autopsy Photos and he is corroborated by dozens of other witnesses at both Hospitals.
Nonsense. One of the most enduring myths about the assassination was that there some mystery shooter from the front of the motorcade. There was no entrance wound on the front of the president's head. None. Zero. The entrance hole is clearly seen in photographs in the rear, top right side of his head with the exit blowning out the right side just behind and above his ear. All clearly shown in autopsy photos and during the Zapruder film. There was no conspiracy then and there still isn't any. The 35th president of the United States was taken out by some nut case named Lee Harvey Oswald. I know you guys refuse to believe that it could be possible but that's exactly what happened. Stop looking for ghosts that aren't there.
Wrong. It's just one big hole because that part of his head was the high point at impact due to him leaning so far forward after the previous shot. If it's an exit wound, where's the entry hole?
The doctor observed a huge wound at least five inches in diameter in the back of the head - that can ONLY be an exit wound! Meaning, the fatal shot was fired from the front, not the rear.
+Steven Yourke impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying down face up.
birdandthe.... Both of these people in this interview were MDs. Don't you think that Dr. Mclelland knew what to do? The other doctor there might have said something. To hear President Kennedy was still alive; how much pain might he have gone through -- nevertheless, this has great historical significance!!
Hahahahaha. Don't make me laugh.... Liars can't recognise truth...hahahahaha .. They killed not only Kennedy , They also killed Disney... Duh... I saw media's star wars and Kennedy and Disney fell... By a revenge of Os....Oz..
How is the good Dr. still alive after all those years. Many others which such inside knowledge sort of like just killed themselves or otherwise "passed" from the scene.
It did. Robert Groden interviewed 88 people including doctors, nurses, er staff etc who initially saw and treated Kennedy at Parkland hospital, all who say Kennedy initially presented to the ER with a large hole in the rear of his head. Groden has done a lot of good, factual work and I recommend his documentary on You tube entitled: "JFK: Absolute Proof: The Killing of a President". At the 27:50 mark he shows an enlarged portion of the Zapruder film where you can see the rear of Kennedy's skull blown off his head. Jackie saw this, crawled back on the trunk to retrieve it and gave it to a doctor at Parkland. Rest in peace President Kennedy. You are not forgotten..
The fact that the Secret Service forcibly and in violation of Texas law grabbed the President's body and spirited it away to Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland, over the objections of the doctors at the Parkland Hospital, is reason to suspect the Secret Service - and by extension, Johnson - of complicity in the assassination. There was no legal justification for them doing so and the only reason they would not permit the autopsy to be performed at Parkland Hospital was in order to control the outcome of the autopsy, themselves. Obviously, only Johnson could have ordered the S S to remove the body from Parkland Hospital. The fact that the official autopsy report differs so significantly from the testimony of Dr. McClelland - and the other doctors and medical personnel at Parkland - only underscores the conclusion that the official autopsy was falsified and was part of a massive cover-up that could only have been ordered by LBJ.
They took him out because the First Lady and the SS (yankees) didn’t trust the Texans. No other reason. That’s on them. No plot to hide anything. Northerners didn’t trust southerners. It’s all there to read. Plus they didn’t want to stay and weren’t going without him. The First Lady said they killed him referring to Dallasit
I'm not an expert or well-read on the JFK shootings. But I doubt LBJ had anything to do with it. And he probably knew nothing about it. Why? Because a man in his conspicuous position could not afford to be involved. Massive risk.
@@bradkirkwood2996You have to understand the climate of hate in Dallas at that time. There was no way Kennedy's people were going to let him be left in Dallas a city they despised. Secondly the Secret Service were acting out of loyalty to Mrs. Kennedy and saw this as an unnecessary indignity for her and the President to be subjected to. This inadvertently helped the covrerup take place, though I dont believe the SS was deliberately trying to hide something per se. Certainly the ineptitude and following orders contributed to conspiracy more than anything else.
Hahaha. You're just a pup. I will give you your fair dues for being interested in it. I was a first grader when it happened and I still remember it all vividly when they closed school early and sent us all home. My two-years older sister came to my homeroom to get me so our mom could pick us up. No one knew who and why it was done. I remember watching afternoon cartoons on TV when the network cut in with footage.of it all (not the Z film as it wasn't developed and doctored yet) and my mother came running in from the kitchen to turn off the TV as she could hear what was being broadcast. Yep, that was definitely a day that those of us old enough will vividly remember until the day we die.
gary m Look, I have no intention, now or ever, of debating anything to do with this subject. I KNOW Lee didn't do it so do you. Now leave me to my truth and I'll leave you to yours.
gary m the truth belongs to those who can understand what was going on that day. One fact that you cannot dispute was that the bullet in Kennedys back hit him between his shoulders. This is what we learn from Boswells drawing that was corroborated by agent Siebert. That entrance excludes the single bullet theory. Whether Oswald was in it or not I don´t have a clue; but we know for sure that more than one shooter was at the scene.
+oller impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying down face up.
+birdandthe of course you are wrong! The back of the head is not flat. The wound was in the occipital right area of the head and spread right and down. It was seen not only by him (for 12 minutes but also by drs Carrico, Perry, Jones etc.
Gdobie1 West Why not cause the streets to be paved with gold too while we’re at it. Good grief are you serious, the shooters don’t know who did the shooting.
Im from Fort WORTH..but just a baby when this happened..but every Nov growing up..it was so terribly sad...i felt my Mom & Family's sadness & tension...of EVERYONE around..on the news or what have you...HORRIBLE....💔💔💔😥😥😥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I was born in 1966 at Parkland Hospital...my mom always told me that President Kennedy died there ..and I've hoped for the truth for years about who was responsible
The most notable thing is that back in 1963 ACLS was not formalized, and Dr McLelland kind of alluded to how they stopped the medical care once flat line was noticed. Today’s care is way more advanced. The pulse and NP are constantly monitored, serum and blood being pumped and the pt could be saved if it were s only a hemorrhage.
"Where are all the “lone nutters” to say this unimpeachable doctor who was there is wrong about what he saw and observed." Dunno, since he wasn't wrong about what he saw and observed, which of course was less than 50 percent of the total damage to JFK's skull. He would have had no possible way of seeing more since JFK's hair and scalp were never peeled back at Parkland to expose anything even close to 100 percent of the damage to his skull, and no x-rays were taken at Parkland either. You do realize that McClelland can be entirely correct about there being a hole in the upper right rear of JFK's head without that hole necessarily being the primary direction of exit, right? It would depend on where in his skull the majority of the damage was, wouldn't it? Dr. McClelland never said that the hole in the rear of JFK's skull was most definitely the majority of the damage to his skull.
To me the last 2 seconds of the zapruder film prices more than 1 shooter. After the throat shot jfk has his hands on his neck then he briefly leaned forward this was shot to the upper back which you can see in an autopsy photo then a split second later jfk falls back quick an hard to his left this was the last awful exploding bullet from right front side. Read many comments on last shot some say Storm drain though some pros has actually said projectors is to low to ground. Some say the right side grassy knowell an some say it was the overpass
So he sees a large wound at the back of the head. Was it an entrance or exit would? Shouldn’t there be a hole in the front of his head? Where is the bullet? Fragments?
What Dr. McClelland stated in this video makes impossible the conclusion of the Warren Commission. If anyone doubts the truthfulness of his words, I can only feel sadness towards that doubter.
The reporter all ready has questions to discredit and paint her son as a psycho. How did he earn high security jobs in the military and learn Russian? This 2 months after and Mark lane has it figured out. 57 years later we all figured it out.
After all has been said and done about the two medical teams, the following remarkable difference remains unexplained: (a) Parkland doctors, nurses and coffin personnel. Always available for interviews, articles, conferences, pictures, fan clubs, poster signings, moonwalking, twerking, etc. No fear here. If there was any, they defeated it. (b) Bethesda doctors. Reclusive. Publish ONE article, safely protected. Escape to discrete anonymity in Switzerland. Fear is distinct and undeniable.
It is important to add that the person who did the final preparations on the cadaver, in DC, before being delivered to the White House, submitted a (under oath?) declaration to the ARRB: There was a gaping hole in the back of the head. Therefore, the morticians are in unanimity.
Very good observation. All this secrecy from the military doctors and controlled interviews. Yet the civilian medical people in Dallas are on the record speaking up. This was the biggest inside job in history .
This is what happened that morning of November 22, 1963 in Dallas and the Zapruder video speaks very clearly. The presidential limousine takes Elm Street and after a few meters the first shot fired by Nicoletti starts who, together with Rosselli, was hidden in the Dal Tex Building. The first bullet misses its target and hits the sidewalk of the triple railroad crossing at the end of the square and a splinter ends up in the face of James Tague, a passerby who was standing there. The second bullet hits Kennedy in the throat, and as you can see in the footage, the president puts his hands around his neck and Governor Connally turns back to understand what happened. The third bullet misses and ends up on the lawn where it is later found by an FBI man and Deputy Buddy Walthers. The fourth bullet hits Connally who emits a grimace of pain as seen in the video and brings his right hand to his stomach because he accuses an immediate pain and then the bullet pierces his right wrist and plants itself in the thigh of his left leg. The fifth bullet hits Kennedy in the back of the head and the sixth bullet, fired by James Files hiding on the grassy knoll half a second after the fifth shot, shoots both Kennedy's blood and head back, and the brain leaking was due to pressure. of the sixth bullet that had left an apple-sized hole behind Kennedy's head, as evidenced by photos of 14 people bringing their hands to the same spot on their heads. I say with certainty that the bullets were 6 because it seems that a shot was fired about every three seconds, that is the time to reload the rifle. Returning to Connally, which is the key to clarifying the mystery well, there is a lot to say. 1) First of all, from the angle in which Oswald would have found himself firing, which was about 45 degrees, only Kennedy would have been hit and no one else, the bullet could not in any way make a deviation and then hit the governor. 2) When Kennedy is shot Connally turns around to see what happens and stays there for about three seconds, the time to reload the shot in the rifle; if the governor had been hit by the magic bullet, at the same time as the president, he would have had the same reaction as Kennedy and would have neither the way nor the strength to look back. 3) The governor Connally when he is wounded is still turned and you see a grimace of pain as I mentioned before him and then turn forward again and collapse on his wife's legs. 4) In the video you can see how Connally bumps his head in front of the glass that separates him from the driver's and assistant's seats. 5) Do you know why Connally was hit? Both because Kennedy threw himself on his wife's right shoulder, because bending over did not hinder the trajectory of the fourth bullet that almost grazed him hitting the governor, and because the shot was fired by Nicoletti from the window of the Dal Tex Building and reached the governor, because Kennedy was leaning towards his wife. So, not only does the first missile reveal where the shot really came from, but also what hit Connally. Indisputable and real evidence, but unfortunately denied by many, including the Warren commission which veiled so much evidence.
Do not know what you were talking about. There were only three shots fired. You need to read the science surrounding the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
A truly unique and charismatic personality which was President John Fitzgerald Kennedy a good man asassinated by evil men had President John Fitzgerald Kennedy lived what a great contribution he would have made as President of America rest in eternal peace President John Fitzgerald Kennedy never forgotten by me nor the world 😢❤😢
What i would like to see is the Statement on TV of Fr Hubbard's view of Kennedy after all he did the last right's also he did the wrong part as well, till ?Jackie said the last unction, which the Dr's said that's what happened & also Jackie putting her wedding Ring on jfk's finger ?
Never, I say! We will find out the truth and the families of this babarican bastards, who killed Jack, will pay for the deeds of them! Why can not success betray treason? Otherwise the traitor would not be a dirty bastard!
So everything the Dr's seen that day, 4 minutes after he was shot, jfk still had a slight heart beat, but died as well after they tried to save his life as well ? So everything that David Lifton Wrote about in Best Evidence is right as well, re: that they made the wound look like it came from the back & exited the top of his head, if you look at what they say is the official autopsy photo's of jfk's head wound you can see the top part of the brain, talk about a stuff up, so jfk was shot in the head from the rear, blown out the top of his head, yet the top of his brain tissue is clearly seen un damaged ? All faked photo's & also the x rays, proved by Dr's & X/ray specialist's that seen the z/Rays at NARA which it shows a blow out just above the eye socket, yet the autopsy photo of the death stare no damage to the front /side/top of jfk's head ? WOW, it's amazing to me, that people still believe the WC report & the photo's that r on the net ? If you think that i am wrong, look up the photo's yourself, you can clearly see jfk's top part of his brain, the dura matter is exposed, but undamaged brain surface right on the top view of jfk's head ? Also every Dr @ parkland said that's not what jfk's head looked like 4 minutes later after he was shot in dealy Plaza re: after looking at the official autopsy photo's & even more important re: the house select committee, could not even put up those photo's, but drawing's made for the WC Report ? Only 1 photo was shown & it was shown the wrong way, meaning it was on it's side, instead of upright, to show the skin pulled back @ the rear of jfk's head & in black & white no less as well, even then the Dr's could not work it out, look's like the government was at work even then, if not why not show the autopsy photo's that we have all seen now, they were available then as well at NARA, X/Rays as well ? WOW a blow out of right eye socket & the top of his head gone, yet no damage at the back of his head & why is jfk's skull all white & no brain matter, look at any period skull X/Ray, total different meaning you can see the outline of the thickness of the skull bone & brain tissue, so if the drawing of jfk's brains, which had the right front damage, then why is the X/ray of jfk's skull have no brains in it at all showing the damage to the right side of the brain ? Even Robert Groden had them, why he did not present them, is he needs to make $$ for it, if he put's them up, other people will put them in book's etc. talk about a conspiracy Robert Groden is the worst at it, meaning he has all this evidence but not once has he put his information & disseminated it out from dealy plaza for nothing, he always asked for a price ?
Dear Dr. McClelland...I mean no disrespect. Could you answer a few questions for me? 1. If the president is lying on his back, how can you see such a large wound in the BACK of his head as pictured? And then, you said you could see down into his skull cavity, but if the wound is on the back of his head how can you see DOWN into the skull cavity? Secondly, being that the wound you describe is essentially in the posterior fossa of the skull, how can you see that the back half of his right cerebral hemisphere is missing? These are all YOUR words. Sir, I KNOW you were there, and I wasn't, but do you realize that your words are seized upon by tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists as evidence of a conspiracy? Do you realize that what you describe is NOT what is shown on either the Zapruder film or in the autopsy photos? How do you explain that? Faked photos? Faked film? What else needs to have been faked to validate your recollections? And if this wound that you describe actually existed, where is the entrance??? It is generally accepted that there were no other wounds anywhere else that would cause such a wound of exit in the right rear of the head. Is it possible, pray tell, that the TRUTH is that you don't REALLY remember the specifics of whether this wound of exit was over the right ear in the parietal bone chiefly or more in the posterior head? And because if you actually SAID "It was a bloody mess and the entire skull was shattered and mobile and it was really hard to tell where the wound began and ended" that you wouldn't get nearly as many calls for interviews?
Oswald was paying a guy to give him a ride to work. On that morning Oswald had a long object wrapped up. The driver asked what's that? Oswald told him curtain rods. Those were never found but the rifle was. So Oswald had something in that package. If he was the shooter, why leave the rifle to be found? He had bought it with a false name in the first place which made no sense because he could legally own a rifle back then. That false name suggests he planned to kill someone with it. Or, he was ordered by someone to do that. The FBI traced the rifle to Oswald using handwriting on a coupon and on the money order he used to pay for it, $21.45. Was he dumb enough to think they couldn't trace the rifle to him? He made himself a suspect by taking off. He could have disassembled that rifle and hid the pieces of it in boxes on sixth floor. They may never have found all of the pieces. Oswald was seen in a break room being as calm as could be. IF he had planned to shoot JFK he should have been nervous and already on the sixth floor getting ready. So who fired his rifle? And why did he take off? Staying put might have convinced a good lawyer of his innocence. Oswald clearly stated, "I'm just a patsy". I think he knew he had been had. If he was the shooter he sure didn't have good plans for afterward. The wound on JFK's head was not totally in the back, it was also on the side. JFK was leaning forward from the pain of the first shot through his throat, when the head shot arrived. Watch the video to see I"m right. That would explain how it could have come from the rear. That back brace had him so stiffened up he couldn't move normally. Skull bone is incredibly hard. A glancing shot that just caught the bone could easily have torn out that big patch due to the shock wave that follows a bullet. Brain tissue is very firm and the shock would have sent a powerful pulse through all of JFK's brain. That could make a person jerk in a very unpredictable manner. I have shot hogs in the head that jumped straight up in the air. Another one kicked with the back legs and almost did a somersault. I watched a video where two marksmen duplicated the shots using a motorized mock car. I'm certain with a good scope I could have made the shots myself. Problem is, Oswald was not that good a marksman when he was in the service. Never got one EXPERT marksman badge. So did he have a lot of practice with the carcano? I doubt it, he didn't have any extra income for ammunition. I'm not convinced Oswald was the shooter but it is possible he got better when he got serious about doing something like an assassination. Maybe he was getting help from that communist cell he was friends with? Still, it's a damned shame a $21.45 POS rifle was all it took to rob us of a really good president. Oswald was a communist sympathizer. The communist Russians hated JFK for embarassing them during the Cuban missile crisis. I suspect the communists had something to do with it even if Oswald only provided the rifle for someone else to use. One more thing. Oswalds palm print was on a part of the barrel which was covered by the wood. It was put there while the rifle was disassembled. He may have wiped the rifle clean after the assassination but that palm print was covered up.
Many research pros says LBJ hit man Malcom Wallace was on 6 floor shooting a finger print on boxes pedestal to shoot was his he even from a distance in face look like Oswald as some witness said it looked like Oswald though they probably saw Malcom Wallace. Only way we ever know maybe someone cleans out an attic finds a camera or a video that shows a gun an a face an turns it in to news agency. You take that to police it would be immediately destroyed.
there's no reason to doubt oswald did this--the evidence is overwhelming. i once met a friend of jack ruby's who said ruby shot oswald cause he was enraged by the assassination. there's no need to believe anything else.
impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying down face up.
....the ICU bed is very hard..and the head does not sink into it...it is designed that way so that the body is exposed as much as possible. As if someone would believe your simplistic nonsense..compared to this esteemed surgeon who was actually there...
even if the gurney was GRANITE it would be impossible to see the back of anyones head who is lying down face up, if you think i am wrong then put up a video showing how it is possible, i cannot wait.zeroceiling
+birdandthe its very simple..as I stated before....lay down on a firm / hard...straight surface....now if your chin is pointed at the ceiling as it would in a patient in a normal position....there will be a very large "arch"...in the neck between the head and the body....it will in fact raise from the surface on which the body is lying...by almost 3 inches..before it meets the head.... This arch exposes " clearly"...the entire lower back of the head...to any observer. Actually...the only way that this "neck arch" can be made to disappear..is to deeply drive your chin into your chest...which was clearly not the case with JFK... Is it that hard for you to try this?....just lie down on your floor and then feel under your neck....do you see how big that arch is....its unmistakeable. literally your whole hand can slide through.... In this position..the head is resting only on a small 2-3 inch area towards the middle of the back of the head... There is an amazing amount of space to see.
chin pointing at the ceiling ????? your head would have to be HANGING over the edge of something !!!! get a friend and try it out !!!! ps Mclelland changed his mind when he was shown the autopsy photos years later, the autopsy photos show hole in front of head, watch my simple short video " three photos that prove no conspiracy"zeroceiling
+birdandthe ...I am saying the body in a normal repose...just as you would be if you laid down on the floor...go ahead..dont be afraid..just lay down on the floor...your chin..I dint know...pointed as it would be with anyone in that normal position... I mean is it that hard???......just lay down...takes you 5 seconds....and I guarantee!!!!....you will be able to slide your entire hand under the arch of your neck where it joins the body and the head... and if you were on the table..I guarantee..someone will absolutely be able to see the entire occipital region....and your head may not be comfortable because it is resting on a circular area possibly no more then 2-2.5 inches. In my training..I have participated in enough autopsies to know this absolutely....
It was the Lin Kuae (yes from Mortal Kombat) that assassinated JFK - how do i know? its leader confessed to the killing 4 years ago to me...and she's an asshole. I love JFK, as he was, and is, my One and Only Soulmate, whose name is Kristen in this lifetime.
Controlling the body is the key. He never should have left Parkland. If the autopsy was done in Dallas,there would be no mystery who was responsible.
Exactly why they took him
@@spirg Exactly why they took him: That's 100% garbage.
The large hole in the back of JFK's skull means that he was shot from the front. Bullets make a small entry hole and a large exit hole. Note from my picture that I am an elk hunter which gives me first hand knowledge.
But you if you look at the Zapruder film you will see that his head exploded outwards from the front right side which means that the bullet could not have come from the front.
Zapruder film does not support a hole in back of head. The Secret Service agent who pushed Mrs. Kennedy back into car said the front right side of his head was blown out.
@@brianedwards4161 Exactly correct, which is how a military .556 fragmentation round is designed and engineered to perform. The Zapruder film is the ballistics proof of a 2nd shooter.
@@brianedwards4161 clint hill testified to the Warren commission as follows:
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any opportunity to observe the front part of his body, to see whether there was any tear or rip in the clothing on the front?
Mr. HILL. I saw him lying there in the back of the car, when I was immediately above him. I cannot recall noticing anything that was ripped in the forward portion of his body.
Every single witness who saw the presidents head in Dallas, said the same thing. But thats not what the film shows. Either they ALL miss remembered, OR the films been modified....I personally believe it's been edited and there is very very strong evidence of that. Clint hill has only said in certain situations, that it was the front top of the head, other times he lets the truth slip out
John Hancock I basically agree with you, but in 1963 the military didn't use .556 ammo.
The wound in the back of the head is an exit wound
Yes. Has to be because of the large blown out size. Since he was so close, he said in a letter to an Author that he was 18 inches away and observed the wound for about 10 minutes...how could he possibly be wrong? Even if he was off an inch or two up down or either side...there still was a large several inch hole behind the right ear that is not seen in extant Autopsy Photos and he is corroborated by dozens of other witnesses at both Hospitals.
People who think its the other way need to go back and remember how science behind a bullet works. He was hit from the front.
@@pearljessop1877 amen
Nonsense. One of the most enduring myths about the assassination was that there some mystery shooter from the front of the motorcade. There was no entrance wound on the front of the president's head. None. Zero. The entrance hole is clearly seen in photographs in the rear, top right side of his head with the exit blowning out the right side just behind and above his ear. All clearly shown in autopsy photos and during the Zapruder film. There was no conspiracy then and there still isn't any. The 35th president of the United States was taken out by some nut case named Lee Harvey Oswald. I know you guys refuse to believe that it could be possible but that's exactly what happened. Stop looking for ghosts that aren't there.
Wrong. It's just one big hole because that part of his head was the high point at impact due to him leaning so far forward after the previous shot. If it's an exit wound, where's the entry hole?
Im glad that he kept it real and talked about the frontal throat wound...
So somebody assumed they would frame this on Oswald while standing in front of the car and shooting Kennedy in the throat....
the only accurate description of how the autopsy question was handled in Dallas.
The doctor observed a huge wound at least five inches in diameter in the back of the head - that can ONLY be an exit wound! Meaning, the fatal shot was fired from the front, not the rear.
+Steven Yourke impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head
because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying
down face up.
+birdandthe ..we meet again idiot!!
we meet again only by your choosing, is there any point to your statement ?zeroceiling
+birdandthe ..that was admittedly unkind...apologies..
birdandthe.... Both of these people in this interview were MDs. Don't you think that Dr. Mclelland knew what to do? The other doctor there might have said something. To hear President Kennedy was still alive; how much pain might he have gone through -- nevertheless, this has great historical significance!!
The world is waiting for the “Good Man” to tell us the truth. WE TRULY CARE...God Bless...
Hahahahaha. Don't make me laugh....
Liars can't recognise truth...hahahahaha ..
They killed not only Kennedy ,
They also killed Disney...
Duh...
I saw media's star wars and Kennedy and Disney fell...
By a revenge of Os....Oz..
Steven Yourke, thank you for your comment. My husband followed this closely, and there was so much going on, with conspiracies. You have good points.
How is the good Dr. still alive after all those years. Many others which such inside knowledge sort of like just killed themselves or otherwise "passed" from the scene.
This was 9 years ago.
very explicit and true explanation of what he saw suggest the fact that a fatal shot came from the front
wrong !!! ruclips.net/video/BvrG9M6qql4/видео.html
It did. Robert Groden interviewed 88 people including doctors, nurses, er staff etc who initially saw and treated Kennedy at Parkland hospital, all who say Kennedy initially presented to the ER with a large hole in the rear of his head. Groden has done a lot of good, factual work and I recommend his documentary on You tube entitled: "JFK: Absolute Proof: The Killing of a President". At the 27:50 mark he shows an enlarged portion of the Zapruder film where you can see the rear of Kennedy's skull blown off his head. Jackie saw this, crawled back on the trunk to retrieve it and gave it to a doctor at Parkland. Rest in peace President Kennedy. You are not forgotten..
There is no way a wound that size in the back of the head could have been made unless it was from a frontal shot, just no way!
The fact that the Secret Service forcibly and in violation of Texas law grabbed the President's body and spirited it away to Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland, over the objections of the doctors at the Parkland Hospital, is reason to suspect the Secret Service - and by extension, Johnson - of complicity in the assassination. There was no legal justification for them doing so and the only reason they would not permit the autopsy to be performed at Parkland Hospital was in order to control the outcome of the autopsy, themselves. Obviously, only Johnson could have ordered the S S to remove the body from Parkland Hospital. The fact that the official autopsy report differs so significantly from the testimony of Dr. McClelland - and the other doctors and medical personnel at Parkland - only underscores the conclusion that the official autopsy was falsified and was part of a massive cover-up that could only have been ordered by LBJ.
My butt smells like fish. Wtf?
They took him out because the First Lady and the SS (yankees) didn’t trust the Texans. No other reason. That’s on them. No plot to hide anything. Northerners didn’t trust southerners. It’s all there to read. Plus they didn’t want to stay and weren’t going without him. The First Lady said they killed him referring to Dallasit
I'm not an expert or well-read on the JFK shootings. But I doubt LBJ had anything to do with it. And he probably knew nothing about it. Why? Because a man in his conspicuous position could not afford to be involved. Massive risk.
@@bradkirkwood2996You have to understand the climate of hate in Dallas at that time. There was no way Kennedy's people were going to let him be left in Dallas a city they despised. Secondly the Secret Service were acting out of loyalty to Mrs. Kennedy and saw this as an unnecessary indignity for her and the President to be subjected to. This inadvertently helped the covrerup take place, though I dont believe the SS was deliberately trying to hide something per se. Certainly the ineptitude and following orders contributed to conspiracy more than anything else.
That secret service wasen't there at all too protect the first lady,or the president,is proof anough.Don,t you think?
its interesting how the guys who were there and witnessed the wounds first hand are not convinced about the cause of the neck wound.
The Warren coverup commission.
I'm only 25 and I still get sick about this cover up.
Hahaha. You're just a pup. I will give you your fair dues for being interested in it. I was a first grader when it happened and I still remember it all vividly when they closed school early and sent us all home. My two-years older sister came to my homeroom to get me so our mom could pick us up. No one knew who and why it was done. I remember watching afternoon cartoons on TV when the network cut in with footage.of it all (not the Z film as it wasn't developed and doctored yet) and my mother came running in from the kitchen to turn off the TV as she could hear what was being broadcast. Yep, that was definitely a day that those of us old enough will vividly remember until the day we die.
God bless you Dr. McClelland. Screw you, CIA.
gary m
Ha ha. No sunshine, you CIA types don't dupe this man so easily!
gary m Look, I have no intention, now or ever, of debating anything to do with this subject. I KNOW Lee didn't do it so do you. Now leave me to my truth and I'll leave you to yours.
gary m the truth belongs to those who can understand what was going on that day. One fact that you cannot dispute was that the bullet in Kennedys back hit him between his shoulders. This is what we learn from Boswells drawing that was corroborated by agent Siebert. That entrance excludes the single bullet theory. Whether Oswald was in it or not I don´t have a clue; but we know for sure that more than one shooter was at the scene.
+oller impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head
because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying
down face up.
+birdandthe of course you are wrong! The back of the head is not flat. The wound was in the occipital right area of the head and spread right and down. It was seen not only by him (for 12 minutes but also by drs Carrico, Perry, Jones etc.
What about Dr. Jenkins???????
Everybody knows who did it.
We only want to know how many was involve and how they cover it up.
Please tell us exactly who did the shooting??
Duh gee Tennessee i think is was oswald, that's what they told me to believe
If it was just one nut, why all the secret stuff, even today. lol 😝. And look who that nut hung out with and lived with.
@@ronniebishop2496 yes he loved to hoover the fellow- up
Gdobie1 West Why not cause the streets to be paved with gold too while we’re at it. Good grief are you serious, the shooters don’t know who did the shooting.
Im from Fort WORTH..but just a baby when this happened..but every Nov growing up..it was so terribly sad...i felt my Mom & Family's sadness & tension...of EVERYONE around..on the news or what have you...HORRIBLE....💔💔💔😥😥😥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I was young too but knew people that danced for Jack Ruby and I knew other gangsters in Dallas and Kansas City when I got into show business.
I was born in 1966 at Parkland Hospital...my mom always told me that President Kennedy died there ..and I've hoped for the truth for years about who was responsible
The Zapruder film must have been touched up because you can't see a wound in the back of the President's head that Dr. McClelland is describing.
@Thomas Pickering Oh, so The First Lady killed him? How can anyone believe that garbage link you just posted. Crazy.
@Thomas Pickering You're just a troller.
We've heard this same story a thousand times......why don't they ever ask things we don't know.
Your honesty exposes the lies..
The most notable thing is that back in 1963 ACLS was not formalized, and Dr McLelland kind of alluded to how they stopped the medical care once flat line was noticed. Today’s care is way more advanced. The pulse and NP are constantly monitored, serum and blood being pumped and the pt could be saved if it were s only a hemorrhage.
first shot to hit JFK was from the front, through the Lincoln windshield and through his throat. This shot came from the overpass.
Agree an very possible the last shot was from there as well or right side grassy knowell
Where are all the “lone nutters” to say this unimpeachable doctor who was there is wrong about what he saw and observed.
"Where are all the “lone nutters” to say this unimpeachable doctor who was there is wrong about what he saw and observed."
Dunno, since he wasn't wrong about what he saw and observed, which of course was less than 50 percent of the total damage to JFK's skull. He would have had no possible way of seeing more since JFK's hair and scalp were never peeled back at Parkland to expose anything even close to 100 percent of the damage to his skull, and no x-rays were taken at Parkland either. You do realize that McClelland can be entirely correct about there being a hole in the upper right rear of JFK's head without that hole necessarily being the primary direction of exit, right? It would depend on where in his skull the majority of the damage was, wouldn't it? Dr. McClelland never said that the hole in the rear of JFK's skull was most definitely the majority of the damage to his skull.
To me the last 2 seconds of the zapruder film prices more than 1 shooter. After the throat shot jfk has his hands on his neck then he briefly leaned forward this was shot to the upper back which you can see in an autopsy photo then a split second later jfk falls back quick an hard to his left this was the last awful exploding bullet from right front side. Read many comments on last shot some say Storm drain though some pros has actually said projectors is to low to ground. Some say the right side grassy knowell an some say it was the overpass
So he sees a large wound at the back of the head. Was it an entrance or exit would? Shouldn’t there be a hole in the front of his head? Where is the bullet? Fragments?
There seemed to be a lot of shots fired and some simultaneously.
If the “magic bullet” theory is true, why isn’t there documented accounts of it happening before or after the fatal shot was fired back in 1963?!
Bullet got clipped if it dint it would not be tumpling when it hit Con What clipped it JFK S NECK
Where was security, that these suited men could just come & go from Trauma room 1 as they pleased?
M
Like hospital security could actually do anything about it.
What Dr. McClelland stated in this video makes impossible the conclusion of the Warren Commission. If anyone doubts the truthfulness of his words, I can only feel sadness towards that doubter.
AMAZING this Doctor is still alive himself... And not Clinton-ized.
Does anyone know who the secret service guy was who lifted Dr Rose up???
It was the agent in the front passenger seat, Kellerman.
Please watch the RUclips video "Two Men in Dallas."
Thanks Mr Robert McClelland ! 🙏
The reporter all ready has questions to discredit and paint her son as a psycho. How did he earn high security jobs in the military and learn Russian? This 2 months after and Mark lane has it figured out. 57 years later we all figured it out.
Oswald according to people that actually knew him in the marines said he was in a top secret program in Japan and elsewhere.
@@ronniebishop2496 The Mancurian candidate.
Daniel Fronc Well he was set up to take the fall.
After all has been said and done about the two medical teams, the following remarkable difference remains unexplained:
(a) Parkland doctors, nurses and coffin personnel.
Always available for interviews, articles, conferences, pictures, fan clubs, poster signings, moonwalking, twerking, etc. No fear here. If there was any, they defeated it.
(b) Bethesda doctors.
Reclusive. Publish ONE article, safely protected. Escape to discrete anonymity in Switzerland. Fear is distinct and undeniable.
It is important to add that the person who did the final preparations on the cadaver, in DC, before being delivered to the White House, submitted a (under oath?) declaration to the ARRB:
There was a gaping hole in the back of the head. Therefore, the morticians are in unanimity.
Very good observation. All this secrecy from the military doctors and controlled interviews. Yet the civilian medical people in Dallas are on the record speaking up. This was the biggest inside job in history .
@@piotrmancini6824 Outstanding post, if only the Sage of the Warren Commission Report Randy Harris would Read this. Very good post, thank you.
@@piotrmancini6824 What (or what gun shot) do you think explains the big hole in back of Kennedy's head?
This was good until he made up the ending.
yeah, never heard that before
Who thinks Johnson set it up so he could be President ?
This is what happened that morning of November 22, 1963 in Dallas and the Zapruder video speaks very clearly. The presidential limousine takes Elm Street and after a few meters the first shot fired by Nicoletti starts who, together with Rosselli, was hidden in the Dal Tex Building. The first bullet misses its target and hits the sidewalk of the triple railroad crossing at the end of the square and a splinter ends up in the face of James Tague, a passerby who was standing there. The second bullet hits Kennedy in the throat, and as you can see in the footage, the president puts his hands around his neck and Governor Connally turns back to understand what happened. The third bullet misses and ends up on the lawn where it is later found by an FBI man and Deputy Buddy Walthers. The fourth bullet hits Connally who emits a grimace of pain as seen in the video and brings his right hand to his stomach because he accuses an immediate pain and then the bullet pierces his right wrist and plants itself in the thigh of his left leg. The fifth bullet hits Kennedy in the back of the head and the sixth bullet, fired by James Files hiding on the grassy knoll half a second after the fifth shot, shoots both Kennedy's blood and head back, and the brain leaking was due to pressure. of the sixth bullet that had left an apple-sized hole behind Kennedy's head, as evidenced by photos of 14 people bringing their hands to the same spot on their heads. I say with certainty that the bullets were 6 because it seems that a shot was fired about every three seconds, that is the time to reload the rifle. Returning to Connally, which is the key to clarifying the mystery well, there is a lot to say. 1) First of all, from the angle in which Oswald would have found himself firing, which was about 45 degrees, only Kennedy would have been hit and no one else, the bullet could not in any way make a deviation and then hit the governor. 2) When Kennedy is shot Connally turns around to see what happens and stays there for about three seconds, the time to reload the shot in the rifle; if the governor had been hit by the magic bullet, at the same time as the president, he would have had the same reaction as Kennedy and would have neither the way nor the strength to look back. 3) The governor Connally when he is wounded is still turned and you see a grimace of pain as I mentioned before him and then turn forward again and collapse on his wife's legs. 4) In the video you can see how Connally bumps his head in front of the glass that separates him from the driver's and assistant's seats. 5) Do you know why Connally was hit? Both because Kennedy threw himself on his wife's right shoulder, because bending over did not hinder the trajectory of the fourth bullet that almost grazed him hitting the governor, and because the shot was fired by Nicoletti from the window of the Dal Tex Building and reached the governor, because Kennedy was leaning towards his wife. So, not only does the first missile reveal where the shot really came from, but also what hit Connally. Indisputable and real evidence, but unfortunately denied by many, including the Warren commission which veiled so much evidence.
Do not know what you were talking about. There were only three shots fired. You need to read the science surrounding the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
@@davesuiter Instead the truth is another and must be heard and understand and know who really wanted Kennedy's death.
A truly unique and charismatic personality which was President John Fitzgerald Kennedy a good man asassinated by evil men had President John Fitzgerald Kennedy lived what a great contribution he would have made as President of America rest in eternal peace President John Fitzgerald Kennedy never forgotten by me nor the world 😢❤😢
What i would like to see is the Statement on TV of Fr Hubbard's view of Kennedy after all he did the last right's also he did the wrong part as well, till ?Jackie said the last unction, which the Dr's said that's what happened & also Jackie putting her wedding Ring on jfk's finger ?
The vids ' JFK. , holes in the limo & extra bullits ' and. JFK, ' the railroad workers' are convincing
The interviewer looks like a young Dean Smith.
6:05 FTW
anniversaries should celebrate good things I say we put this to rest!
Never, I say! We will find out the truth and the families of this babarican bastards, who killed Jack, will pay for the deeds of them! Why can not success betray treason? Otherwise the traitor would not be a dirty bastard!
Yeah us Dallasites know who did it
Wow
To this day, not one doctor in Dallas knows how to repair a hiatus hernia.
WTF?
He never finished the film. They are all standing around waiting for him to come back. From “ The pit”
U love u maggie
Paid, bought, bribed talking heads!
So everything the Dr's seen that day, 4 minutes after he was shot, jfk still had a slight heart beat, but died as well after they tried to save his life as well ?
So everything that David Lifton Wrote about in Best Evidence is right as well, re: that they made the wound look like it came from the back & exited the top of his head, if you look at what they say is the official autopsy photo's of jfk's head wound you can see the top part of the brain, talk about a stuff up, so jfk was shot in the head from the rear, blown out the top of his head, yet the top of his brain tissue is clearly seen un damaged ?
All faked photo's & also the x rays, proved by Dr's & X/ray specialist's that seen the z/Rays at NARA which it shows a blow out just above the eye socket, yet the autopsy photo of the death stare no damage to the front /side/top of jfk's head ? WOW, it's amazing to me, that people still believe the WC report & the photo's that r on the net ? If you think that i am wrong, look up the photo's yourself, you can clearly see jfk's top part of his brain, the dura matter is exposed, but undamaged brain surface right on the top view of jfk's head ? Also every Dr @ parkland said that's not what jfk's head looked like 4 minutes later after he was shot in dealy Plaza re: after looking at the official autopsy photo's & even more important re: the house select committee, could not even put up those photo's, but drawing's made for the WC Report ? Only 1 photo was shown & it was shown the wrong way, meaning it was on it's side, instead of upright, to show the skin pulled back @ the rear of jfk's head & in black & white no less as well, even then the Dr's could not work it out, look's like the government was at work even then, if not why not show the autopsy photo's that we have all seen now, they were available then as well at NARA, X/Rays as well ? WOW a blow out of right eye socket & the top of his head gone, yet no damage at the back of his head & why is jfk's skull all white & no brain matter, look at any period skull X/Ray, total different meaning you can see the outline of the thickness of the skull bone & brain tissue, so if the drawing of jfk's brains, which had the right front damage, then why is the X/ray of jfk's skull have no brains in it at all showing the damage to the right side of the brain ?
Even Robert Groden had them, why he did not present them, is he needs to make $$ for it, if he put's them up, other people will put them in book's etc. talk about a conspiracy Robert Groden is the worst at it, meaning he has all this evidence but not once has he put his information & disseminated it out from dealy plaza for nothing, he always asked for a price ?
A small bullet hole in the throat and a massive explosive wound on the back of the skull. Yep, sounds like a shooter from behind to me.
Dear Dr. McClelland...I mean no disrespect. Could you answer a few questions for me? 1. If the president is lying on his back, how can you see such a large wound in the BACK of his head as pictured? And then, you said you could see down into his skull cavity, but if the wound is on the back of his head how can you see DOWN into the skull cavity?
Secondly, being that the wound you describe is essentially in the posterior fossa of the skull, how can you see that the back half of his right cerebral hemisphere is missing? These are all YOUR words.
Sir, I KNOW you were there, and I wasn't, but do you realize that your words are seized upon by tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists as evidence of a conspiracy? Do you realize that what you describe is NOT what is shown on either the Zapruder film or in the autopsy photos? How do you explain that? Faked photos? Faked film? What else needs to have been faked to validate your recollections?
And if this wound that you describe actually existed, where is the entrance??? It is generally accepted that there were no other wounds anywhere else that would cause such a wound of exit in the right rear of the head.
Is it possible, pray tell, that the TRUTH is that you don't REALLY remember the specifics of whether this wound of exit was over the right ear in the parietal bone chiefly or more in the posterior head? And because if you actually SAID "It was a bloody mess and the entire skull was shattered and mobile and it was really hard to tell where the wound began and ended" that you wouldn't get nearly as many calls for interviews?
Oswald was paying a guy to give him a ride to work. On that morning Oswald had a long object wrapped up. The driver asked what's that? Oswald told him curtain rods. Those were never found but the rifle was. So Oswald had something in that package. If he was the shooter, why leave the rifle to be found? He had bought it with a false name in the first place which made no sense because he could legally own a rifle back then. That false name suggests he planned to kill someone with it. Or, he was ordered by someone to do that. The FBI traced the rifle to Oswald using handwriting on a coupon and on the money order he used to pay for it, $21.45. Was he dumb enough to think they couldn't trace the rifle to him? He made himself a suspect by taking off. He could have disassembled that rifle and hid the pieces of it in boxes on sixth floor. They may never have found all of the pieces.
Oswald was seen in a break room being as calm as could be. IF he had planned to shoot JFK he should have been nervous and already on the sixth floor getting ready. So who fired his rifle? And why did he take off? Staying put might have convinced a good lawyer of his innocence. Oswald clearly stated, "I'm just a patsy". I think he knew he had been had. If he was the shooter he sure didn't have good plans for afterward.
The wound on JFK's head was not totally in the back, it was also on the side. JFK was leaning forward from the pain of the first shot through his throat, when the head shot arrived. Watch the video to see I"m right. That would explain how it could have come from the rear. That back brace had him so stiffened up he couldn't move normally. Skull bone is incredibly hard. A glancing shot that just caught the bone could easily have torn out that big patch due to the shock wave that follows a bullet. Brain tissue is very firm and the shock would have sent a powerful pulse through all of JFK's brain. That could make a person jerk in a very unpredictable manner. I have shot hogs in the head that jumped straight up in the air. Another one kicked with the back legs and almost did a somersault.
I watched a video where two marksmen duplicated the shots using a motorized mock car. I'm certain with a good scope I could have made the shots myself. Problem is, Oswald was not that good a marksman when he was in the service. Never got one EXPERT marksman badge. So did he have a lot of practice with the carcano? I doubt it, he didn't have any extra income for ammunition. I'm not convinced Oswald was the shooter but it is possible he got better when he got serious about doing something like an assassination. Maybe he was getting help from that communist cell he was friends with?
Still, it's a damned shame a $21.45 POS rifle was all it took to rob us of a really good president.
Oswald was a communist sympathizer. The communist Russians hated JFK for embarassing them during the Cuban missile crisis. I suspect the communists had something to do with it even if Oswald only provided the rifle for someone else to use.
One more thing. Oswalds palm print was on a part of the barrel which was covered by the wood. It was put there while the rifle was disassembled. He may have wiped the rifle clean after the assassination but that palm print was covered up.
Many research pros says LBJ hit man Malcom Wallace was on 6 floor shooting a finger print on boxes pedestal to shoot was his he even from a distance in face look like Oswald as some witness said it looked like Oswald though they probably saw Malcom Wallace. Only way we ever know maybe someone cleans out an attic finds a camera or a video that shows a gun an a face an turns it in to news agency. You take that to police it would be immediately destroyed.
there's no reason to doubt oswald did this--the evidence is overwhelming. i once met a friend of jack ruby's who said ruby shot oswald cause he was enraged by the assassination. there's no need to believe anything else.
If you are still hanging on to the man on the knoll BS, or some other fantasy, please call one of your former therapists and make a new appointment.
Watch my vids on wounds, zapruder,etc you will have to conclude i am right
impossible Mclelland !!! you could not see in to the back of his head because it is IMPOSSIBLE to see the back of anyones head that is lying down face up.
....the ICU bed is very hard..and the head does not sink into it...it is designed that way so that the body is exposed as much as possible.
As if someone would believe your simplistic nonsense..compared to this esteemed surgeon who was actually there...
even if the gurney was GRANITE it would be impossible to see the back of anyones head who is lying down face up, if you think i am wrong then put up a video showing how it is possible, i cannot wait.zeroceiling
+birdandthe its very simple..as I stated before....lay down on a firm / hard...straight surface....now if your chin is pointed at the ceiling as it would in a patient in a normal position....there will be a very large "arch"...in the neck between the head and the body....it will in fact raise from the surface on which the body is lying...by almost 3 inches..before it meets the head....
This arch exposes " clearly"...the entire lower back of the head...to any observer.
Actually...the only way that this "neck arch" can be made to disappear..is to deeply drive your chin into your chest...which was clearly not the case with JFK...
Is it that hard for you to try this?....just lie down on your floor and then feel under your neck....do you see how big that arch is....its unmistakeable.
literally your whole hand can slide through....
In this position..the head is resting only on a small 2-3 inch area towards the middle of the back of the head...
There is an amazing amount of space to see.
chin pointing at the ceiling ????? your head would have to be HANGING over the edge of something !!!! get a friend and try it out !!!! ps Mclelland changed his mind when he was shown the autopsy photos years later, the autopsy photos show hole in front of head, watch my simple short video " three photos that prove no conspiracy"zeroceiling
+birdandthe ...I am saying the body in a normal repose...just as you would be if you laid down on the floor...go ahead..dont be afraid..just lay down on the floor...your chin..I dint know...pointed as it would be with anyone in that normal position...
I mean is it that hard???......just lay down...takes you 5 seconds....and I guarantee!!!!....you will be able to slide your entire hand under the arch of your neck where it joins the body and the head...
and if you were on the table..I guarantee..someone will absolutely be able to see the entire occipital region....and your head may not be comfortable because it is resting on a circular area possibly no more then 2-2.5 inches.
In my training..I have participated in enough autopsies to know this absolutely....
It was the Lin Kuae (yes from Mortal Kombat) that assassinated JFK - how do i know? its leader confessed to the killing 4 years ago to me...and she's an asshole. I love JFK, as he was, and is, my One and Only Soulmate, whose name is Kristen in this lifetime.
what.