I came to the same conclusion about good and evil being subjective back in 2005 during a period of OCD driven guilt. The realisation helped rid me of the nauseating guilt I felt. I hadn't really done anything bad but OCD can give you irrational fears of being a terrible person. To realise that being a "terrible" person was actually subjective anyway was a great weight off my shoulders! At the same time, I realised that it isn't just good and evil that is subjective, but all meaning us humans give to everything in existence. Many would say this is a very depressing thought which makes life seem pointless, but I found it freed me from all the preconceived and culturally imposed ideas of how things are/should be. Just because nothing has any inherent/universal meaning, it doesn't mean that you cannot continue to create meaning for yourself, as I have done, it just makes you realise how limited we are as a society when we believe in the existence of such absolute objectivity.
While I understand what you are saying, I personally believe that what most of us deem as evil, are acts or the intention to harm another being. Therefore, if you kill someone with the intention to protect yourself, then it's not usually seen as evil. It's all in the intention and in some cases it's not so clear to see the intention behind ones actions. Example, Hitler might have thought he was doing the right thing by creating the "perfect race", but when you cross the boundary of doing harm to another being, then I would say that is evil/bad/wrong..... Just my thoughts....
A lot of witnesses during WWII were stumped at the fact that Nazis looked "normal", i.e. they looked human. I think what the author of this video is trying to say is that a lot of us deem someone or something as evil that looks different from us like we put a lot of emphasis on the whites of someone's eyes, without this simple physical trait, there is always a feeling of being in the presence of evil which is not actually based in reality.
that would be based on empathy, which happens to also be partially a value acquired through experiences, and debatably, through human nature. Still just a value, no underlying truth is there.
Evil and good are absolute concepts and if you take that absoluteness away from these things than that leaves man to redefine good and evil for theirselves.
@@savonjames2670 I believe so too savon James. I was expecting a response from "official perfect hard" (the guy who made the original comment trying to debunk good and evil. I wonder what these people are turning the world into by preaching the non-existence of good and evil. Do you believe in God James?
To see past good and evil we have to harmonize the opposite forces within our self. The way to do that is to find the center between the extremes in every area of our life, the middle way. As long as we lean to one end of the spectrum the opposite will manifest to the same degree. Opposites are mutually created. One comes into being through the other. When we find the center, we find balance, that is when the ego dissolves and we become aware of the Oneness or Unity of the whole of existence. In reality we are the empty space at the center of everything.The middle path is the way to enlightenment.
Garbage. Light and dark are not opposites. The latter is the absence of the former. We should go as extremely toward the light, or toward the good, as we can. The truth is Extreme and what is good is extreme, despite the cries of "extremist11!!!" in most propaganda. Be excellent one another. Don't spout some BS about how there is no right or wrong just because you don't want to be held accountable for what youve chosen.
people are so easily brainwashed, if I was evil I'd try to convince everyone there was no evil so there'd be no opposition once they awakened.... ("greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist")
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 In the Bible, satan is the father of all lies and tries to deceive you until you are deceived and curse God. He hates you because God loves you. In the Bible God so loved the world the He did not deny but gave his only beloved son to die for you to pay for your sins, so you would not die in your sins and go to hell. God doesn’t want that anyone should perish in hell. The God the Bible loves to value you worthy of his sacrifice for you. Jesus is God almighty. So if you believe in Him and trust him with all your heart, you’ll not perish but have everlasting life. He can now forgive you of all your wrong doings, of all your sins and separate them from you as far as the east is from the west. By His wounds He heals you from your wounds. He changes your heart to love unconditionally. He saves you from destruction, from your worries, from your pain. He will never remember your sins for eternity and takes you in as His child. This, He’ll give you a crown as a prince to judge and rule over nations of angels. You were his enemy and He makes you His child. He calls your body the sacred Temple of His Holy Spirit. He can now fill you up with his Holy Spirit and give you a peace that passes all understanding. You and God become as one in unity and love. Tell me what is better than that?
Your pre-scientific mind. This is philosophy, not religion. Learn the difference. You can't. You are not intelligent enough. You want priests, witch doctors, to remove "evil" from people, instead psychiatry and psychology, it's mental illness, all "evil" people are mentally ill (but most mentally ill people are not evil, don't do evil, because they are not psychopaths and don'r have antisocial personality disorders), mentally healthy people don't become mass shooters or kill anyone ever... Antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy.
In this video, Leo uses an example of pride of lions to provide support for a point. This point is that if people renounced the existence of good and evil, the world would not necessarily become a darker, more dangerous, more chaotic place. He states that “[…] a group of about 10 lions, laying in the Savannah somewhere” don’t have a sense of morality, and few people would claim that they do. He’s of course correct here about the lions not having a higher concept of morality as we do. Leo claims that, despite being devoid of morality, the lions do not attack, kill or cause harm to other lions (except rarely) and this indicates that humans likely wouldn’t either. While this example seems good, it’s actually quite misleading. Indeed, a pride of lions-or a pack of wolves-would not often kill members of their own clan. But the moment you introduce a different, competing pride or pack, the fighting is bound to take place. Although Leo tries to subtly liken a 10-animal lion pride to mankind as a whole, it’s more accurately likened to a single family. Yes, if a human family believed no moral absolutes existed, it’s members would still be unlikely to kill each other. This is primarily because of a sense of camaraderie, or collective survival interest, which also keeps those 10 lions from killing each other. However, nature would indicate-from the lions or wolves themselves-that morality-denying humans would in fact lash out against other families, races, or social classes when they inevitably showed up as a threat of survival or prosperity (just like competing lion prides or wolf packs). Especially seen in the lower class, where people often have to steal to eat (which threatens the victim’s prosperity and frequently survival), it’s really not hard to see how different social classes or families would become threats to others. I urge anyone watching these videos to not simply take up Leo's views (which are really Eckhart Tolle's views repackaged, and which he himself has already said you shouldn't do). Just because he has thought about these things several steps beyond what you have, or the ideas he presents are interesting, I'd recommend questioning those as well--both from the common sense perspective that Leo claims is strictly egoic, as well as from his mindfulness sort of perspective.
If you look at how human social systems function you see exactly what you said: tribes fighting other tribes. If you study chimps and bonobos, you see similar patterns. "Morality" gets enforced very simply by the tribe to increase everyone's survival as a whole. But this is not some absolute sense of good and evil. Chimps have simply evolved with practical rules for upping their ability to survive in a social context. Chimp politics is eerily similar to human politics.
Actualized.org So you are re-stating that chimps don’t have morality as we do-no absolute sense of good and evil? I agree with you on that already, as I’ve said. I also agree that animals develop ways of maximizing survival; you and I have both said this. However, I don’t see how your comment is a refutation to what I’ve said about the content of your video. Perhaps you’re just reiterating the couple points that we agree on? Am I safe to assume you agree with me, then, on all of what I said, since you didn’t particularly go against it? Maybe it's just a reply stating that primates are an interesting avenue of research?
Nobody wants to suffer and nobody wants to die by nature, so even if we don't have an "objective" morality, it means we as reasoning beings can cooperate to live in harmony, that was the idea behind creating the concept of "government"... back when corruption and power hunger weren't a thing. If nobody wants to suffer, they won't do anything that would make someone else suffer without a reasonable justification, or else they might as well get a general punishment.
@@HitchinsGrant That's not an objective criteria for good and evil though, that's just a concept made for survival. Now... Is survival good or evil? See, the issue is that that's more for an objective criteria for nothing, but instead a subjective survival. "Good" or "Bad" don't exist beyond our mind, they are concepts made up for us to judge which things are permisible for the pleasure (more specifically, the absence of suffering).
What people mistake as evil, is simply fear. There is no evil. But there is fear. Yet, fear is ultimately baseless. So the real problem is .... that people are delusional.
This has really helped me stop feeling guilty about beating my racial minority wife. Thank you Leo! I am just correcting her. I am making her a better person.
This was a very helpful video for me. I remember that I had many weird tingles in my brain that I could not describe to people. I asked myself "what are these tingles actually and do they really mean anything?". these reactions were strongest in reaction to you talking about murder and rape. I also remembered that in my philosophy of ethics class I was confused because it did not clearly define good, bad, right, and wrong. With this in mind I googled define good, define evil, define immoral and others. I found that evil was bad, bad was immoral, and immoral was not conforming to society. These definitions still did not clarify this for me. I often beat myself up over the thought of something I th out was bad, but it does not make sense because this is still just a tingle in the brain. I don't need to demonize anybody, and certainly not myself over a thought. Good video.
i've been through some traumatic experiences several times in my lifetime which involved people abusing me. i lived years being crippled by my menories and my judgement that what happened to me was horrible, abusive, bad. as i kept these judgementd, i found no peace or healing. i was always haunted by the horrible events and the evil that is in people...recently, something shifted in me and i came to the conclusion thst no evil was done to me and there is no evil in the whole circumstances i went through. i decided to see no evil and bad in my traumas and the people involved. unpleasent, painful, negative..yes. evil and bad? no. since i shifted my perspective, i came to peace and i can affirm i am feeling more sane and happy and whole than ever before. i abstain myself from affirming this as a general statement and i try to not apply for other people's pains, but i do it for my life and myself (this is my right and freedom and choice) i, thus, gave up on my judgement on good and evil. i choose to see all things in my life good ( they serve a good purpose) and i try to guide myself out of unpleasent and negative experiences, but without judging them as evil or horrible..so, fear drops a lot for me..anyway. there are not so much content about this subject..
There is no good or evil, it is what you make it to be. But nothing can truly be good or evil. If I was to kill someone it wouldn't be truly evil because many people have different opinions on what good and evil is
If you were to kill someone it wouldn't be good or evil(obviously they don't exist anyhow) because you had no choice in the matter. You are just being you, that's all life is... a ride. Free will doesn't exist.
The whole idea of evil seems silly to me. Everything depends on circumstances within or without of our control. Decisions are never completely in your control.
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I was taught in my youth, and by religion too, that almost everyone is basicly 'good', you say don't be influenced by what you were taught as a child, well later I have learned that many people (maybe most if they are left to their own devices with no consequence) are sadistic, cruel, selfish, ignorant, greedy, and ultimately destructive to others and themselves - this is what is evil to me - behavior that is ultimately destructive or harmful, to deny that people are not this way is setting oneself up to be taken advantage of or preyed upon, and often for NO other reason than people can, and get a rise from it. LOVE this channel, it has helped me, but this here is where I finally disagree.
There is no evil to overcome within ourselves, only delusion; the delusion that we are separate. The belief that we are separate, that we are other than Love, causes us to do harmful and evil things at times. But there is no one who is evil! Since there is no one who is actually separate from Love. Harmful acts are done out of fear! Out of a desperation to survive, and to be on top at all costs.
You're right Leo. Unfortunately it kills the "romantic Hero" CONCEPT I grew up with watching movies and TV. Back then Evil and Good we're easy to DISTINGUISH. And it was easier to fight Evil. Batman was GOOD and the Joker was EVIL. Now all I see is a sea of atoms, morally neutral, in a state of quantum fluctuation.
I'm probably twice your age and have looked at this a very long time. Keep questioning everything, eventually you will see that this definition is very lacking ...and naive. My friend, evil is real and independent from whatever you think or want to believe. The world is far more complicated than how you explain it, although that is part of it. There are many layers, dimensions, even entities beyond just what you see. Don't be so narcissistic, you're too intelligent to settle for that.
Do you have any proof that good and evil exists? If no then believing it is nonsense. You will reply "there is so much pain and suffering in this world", why do you think pain and suffering is " Bad"? Do you have any proof that good and evil is not an opinion?
I really didn't like this video. You can't see evil, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!! That's like saying happiness doesn't exist, because you can't see it. I have been watching a few of this man's videos and I seriously question his logic on most things. He is just over-analysing things and getting it all wrong.
Actualized.org I have to agree. The only reality is existance. Then we put labels on that very same reality after we've put our filter of understanding over that very reality. Evil is a human concept, it is not reality for any other animals on the planet. There are two feelings though, love and hate. The polarity, as with all in universe. And when we tend to "hate" something in the reality, it has had its functions biologically through evolution. However, there are those who are enlit and are working to change the world for the better, then we have the whole west world that introduced materialism and suddently most of the world felt poor. And the earth got "unfair". Is this an evil plan? No, it is the product of society, when its rulers are ignorant along with the culture in that society who allows it. Another word for evil is unawareness. In my head, the idea of evil or hate is what strenghtens us and makes us aware and active, making a choice. Evilness could be passiveness, yet it is nobody's fault. We can talk parent responibility but how can we blame them for unawareness that lead to one kid's action. However, if caught with hate when unaware, you tend to grow even more uncounscious, buying into that hate as if it were the only truth. The trick to not make a fool of yourself (for yourself) is to do whatever it takes to keep that awareness and focus. It is a system of doing things, whatever the goal is. One important truth is that the goal is doing things, not doing things to reach the goal. Doing is goal. And knowing this while keeping on keeping on, is key. Whatever your everyday will throw at you, your system of belief won't budge. You will look at every "problem" tossed at you with solution, a chance to keep on doing.
Actualized.org through the eyes of the enlightened ones they see good and evil as truly nothing, byproducts of human nature and the mind's complex interactions and experiences of subjectivity and morality, both dependent upon a given human culture and society. Until the human race becomes fully conscious, devoid of individuality, good and evil will continue to plague the human mind until death.
What you are saying, Leo, makes no sense at all! And I don't think you have proper understanding of that concept yourself. What difference does it make whether you "call" something good or bad if you still have to act according to your judgement of good and bad. The results you and I would produce in that situation would be the same, what difference does it make that I "call" this act evil and you prefer not to?
+Brad Magyar So I'm incorrect because your invisible friend said so? But all I said was hitler believed himself to be good I never said he was actually good.
+Brad Magyar listen your God burns people, gambles lives, drowns people, turns people into pillars of salt. Some might say that God is "evil". Superman kills The police kill Our soldiers kill Our iPhones are made by slaves. Our dinner is made by murderers, So are we "evil".
Evil is the conscious decision of intelligent beings which possess empathy, to do something that results in the suffering of another being for selfish reasons or cruelty's sake.
Some of us do not naturally possess empathy and that standard is only imposed by ourselves thus making it meaningless. We can do whatever we want to each other with no consequences, the only consequences are imposed by others. Evil doesn't exist and is simply what disturbs the average persons societally reinforced view on what gets praise and what gets hate. I could want to murder but realize it's frowned upon so just become a court executioner, same result but ppl give it the a-okay and I could even be putting innocent ppl on the chair. Basically bad is just hurting others which hurts society so its a meaningless sentiment. Like ppl who get arrested for weed cause "it's the law", yes the "laws" we made up.
@@joeschmoe9412 If someone possesses empathy and does harm to another person there is a word for it and it's called evil. It can only exist and manifest where there is a natural inclination to do good and cooperate which has selfishly or spitefully been disregarded. The only humans who do not naturally possess empathy are psychopaths and others with mental illnesses or disabilities. Empathy is a common byproduct of intelligent and social animals. It's innate in most mothers and intelligent/social species like elephants. Basically if you're intelligent enough to understand your actions will cause harm to another and you choose to do it anyways then a word must exist to describe it. Saying evil does not exist is like saying cruelty does not exist. "Oh that guy who just abused your kid then chopped their head off? Eh that wasn't evil. Nah definitely not cruel. Yes I noticed he was laughing." I think it's fine to look at things objectively because I understand morality can be fairly subjective at times however I believe the pagan phrase "and it harm none, so it be" pretty much sums up morality for me. I find it dangerously pretentious to assume something doesn't exist just because people want to dance around semantics and think like robots. Go watch some drug carteI videos and tell me what word best describes their callous behaviour to you.
“No judgement of anybody is ever justified. There is no reason you are right in judging somebody” Isn’t that a judgement though? You are pretty much saying someone is wrong or bad for judging. In keeping with your stance, you really just prefer if people don’t judge because judging cannot be, in keeping with your stance, wrong, bad, or evil.
That isn't a judgment, he just said that there is no way the person is right in judging judgments. There is no reason, he is judging anything that is just plain information being told.
@@azenethmaus7934 In that sense I guess, I always though of judgment as an arbitrary statement to actions, opinion or not. Because opinions aren't judgements by themselves, they can be judgements depending on the context and their implications, but intrinsically there is no judging in them. realistically yes, but strictly logically no. Judgments rely on opinions, but opinions are not judgements. Opinions are just the axioms of judgements. Someone judges based on opinions. I think that killing is bad, but I'm judging the action of killing by saying it's bad. However if is say that 'It's not possible to judge', then I'm not really judging anything, I'm actually disengaging in the act of judging. You might say that I'm judging the possibility of judging, but that is an opinion, not a judgment of anything. Because you can't judge the possibility of an action, since possibilities are inconclusive, judging something inconclusive isn't ideal.
@@WeebSlayer71 Look I was just wondering how is it that in a talk about there is no good and evil, right or wrong, just preferences, - “Conventional wisdom is wrong.” - “There is no way you are right in judging somebody.” - “nobody is right.” (Which is is a judgement of everyone, that we are all wrong.) and how “You’re wrong, look at this fact, accept it = normativity.” and that there is no need to do this, aren’t the previous quotes also forms of normativity? “I prefer non conventional wisdom” instead of “Conventional wisdom is wrong.” for example would be more consistent with the stance of this talk.
@@azenethmaus7934 I'm not sure what you said... I'm a little confused... Like yes, sure, but like, yes I agree... i just don't know what's up. Like, we humans have developed cultures and politics to have a general consensus on how to live in harmony, even when morality is subjective. We have evolved our systems of humanity for the better living of everyone through general consesus (at least conceptually). The implications are normative, if we think about it every statement is normative, so being normative is... a default thing in any statement, explicit or not. So I mean... yeah they are normative, but it's being normative to not be normative. It's like me owning slaves, but I order my slave's to be free, sure I'm being normative, but they will be free of normative. It seems to me that this is straight up a paradox. It's like owning slaves just to force them to be free, even if they don't want to (which I doubt highly but whatever). So even if the sense of good and evil might not exist, logically there is no right judgment, we can make rational judgements through presuppositions... sure, we can just ignore the problem of induction because we actually do it everyday and that's what we sentient humans have been doing living with since we existed. The conclusion that nobody is right in judging comes from a deductive conclusion, not an inductive one. And as we all know, deductive conclusions aren't as practical. Most of the time I see deductive reasoning is in discussions to have strong arguments for the sake of winning a discussion and in mathematics. Mathematics is the n only konwledge that uses deductive reasoning in a practical way, as far as I'm aware of.
the simplest definition of good and evil i could come up with through my own philosophizing on the topic is this; good is the intent to preserve life, evil is the intent to invoke harm upon life.
"When you blame others, you haven't learned a thing. When you blame yourself, your learning has begun. When you blame nobody, your learning is complete" - Some Stoic guy... I think thoughts, actions and words can be weighed into "better or worse". Right or wrong can't exist in the realm of possibility, or the capacity of human kind. Rape happens, for example. An evil act when weighed on the moral scale on its own, but remember, it has repeatedly been used by men in a number of wars. Why is that?! 🤓
This is nonsense; a word game using the word "evil." Evil simply describes specific behaviors that cause others horrific suffering. For example Auschwitz, torture, slaughterhouses are considered evil. People can play language games to pretend otherwise but is it a wise use of your mind and time?
I agree with u it only describes specific behaviours that cause other people suffering or that person point of view or morality to specify it as good or evil.
Ooo, this is so interesting. I'm a person that likes to think a lot for myself. Especially about these kinds of philosophical questions. It's so fascinating. And these are things that i don't need youtube or books or anything to find out. The more you think about it the wiser you'll get :)
"The Vimalakīrti Sutra states that, when one seeks the Buddhas’ emancipation in the minds of ordinary beings, one finds that ordinary beings are the entities of enlightenment, and that the sufferings of birth and death are nirvana. It also states that, if the minds of living beings are impure, their land is also impure, but if their minds are pure, so is their land. There are not two lands, pure or impure in themselves. The difference lies solely in the good or evil of our minds."- Nichiren, 13th Century Buddhist philosopher.
The major flaw in your view is you are missing out on the most basic concept every healthy living being in this world has within them- the will to live and survive. This is the core value for everything else. So the reason why lions are not killing each other without reason, because every individual wants to live. Therefore certain concepts/designs are present in them (e.g. social behavior, instincts, urges, conscience of the existence of ranks, etc. ), which makes co-exsistence possible. With humans it gets a bit more complicated than that, since we have a free will and therefore are able to resist these simple concepts. But the core value of survival still remains intact, which brings me to the concept of good and evil. The human concept of good and evil is also based on the core value of life. Every thought and act that helps to preserve life will be considered good. Every thought and act that intends to destroy life will be considered evil. At least by the majority of people. However we as humans, with our own free will, can decide whether we want to be good or evil. However that does not mean that someone who based his life on being good will do only good things or evil people do only bad things. We are not perfect and do not always make the right decisions, since our own world view can be flawed. So let´s look at your example in the video. A human murders another human. Murder is a human intentionally taking another being´s life. The murderer plays the active part, the murdered being passive. Therefore this acts intention was to destroy life and will be seen as evil. But what if the murderer is killed by the supposed victim? This means the active being got killed in an attempted evil act by the passive being. The passive being´s intention (most likely) was to preserve life and therefore his killing will not be considered evil. However, even though I´d say my model is way more accurate than yours, it is still too simple. In reality everyone perceives this concept through his own eyes. For example, whether the self defense of this described passive being can be considered good or evil depends on many other factors, e.g.: a) Was killing the attacker the defender´s only option to get away unharmed? b) Will the relatives of the attacker perceive the actions of the self-defender as good? c) Did the defender save his own life or did he save the life of many? Especially Point c) will influence very heavily whether a action/ thought will be considered good or evil. From this you can deduce that good/evil is not a binary concept but rather a graduated system. Usually the more lives a action/thought/concept preserves the more "good" it will be seen. This is the reason why things like murder and rape will never be considered neutral or good. And that is how it should be.
i think it is safe to say that all creatures will react when their individual boundaries have been crossed even if we dont label it as "bad". even those lions lying peacefully in the sun will get attacked by lions not part of their pack. they also fight over food, mates, and anything that could possibly decrese their chance of survival. we all do the exact things as animals except we call it good when we get what we want and bad when we dont
GOOD Cause: selfless compassion for the greater needs of the weaker. Example: A strong lion lets a weak lion eat first. EVIL Cause: convenience, "because I can" Example: A strong lion eats first, pushing the weak lion away.
@@jasontabifor75 It’s neither good nor evil objectively speaking. We simply prefer that it not happen out of empathy and an innate desire to protect children.
Hi Leo, thanks for your video. I have a few questions though. There are situations in this world which has left me traumatised. An example is the case of Junko furuta. I’d appreciate if you could look into the case or explain how do we view these aspects? Probably the worst case of murder, rape and torture I’ve ever come across and I study criminology. I couldn’t sleep for weeks. For a young lady to go through so much suffering, it’s hard to not believe evil exists. In my job I also at times see the family of victims of crimes such as when a person has been stabbed and killed where I’ve seen the mental health issues it can leave on people. The symptoms of ‘evil’ and trauma are very real where people need therapy and sometimes medication to continue living their existence here on earth. I wish someone would address this. Although evil is also a concept and part of perception, certain parts of this world that others are currently experiencing has left me questioning life overall.
You have discovered the weakness of his argument that evil is just a miswiring of the brain. That leads us to ignore it. The problem is that this miswiring isn’t a pebble in your shoe, it is often a thorn that impales your leg. In reality we must choose the lesser of two evils all the time. You see a rape in progress but you do nothing to stop it. The Japanese Imperial Army’s rape of nanjing. The NAZIs murder 6 million Jews. Do we stand by and do nothing? It’s up to you, but evil does exist because it is hard wired into our brains via our conscience. That’s how we recognize it. We need the concept of evil to recognize it’s magnitude otherwise we would never come to the conclusion to save those in the grip of it.
That's great...how did philosophy bring this to your attention...i know that a dumb question because I know how, but im wondering was it a certain saying, moment or reading that flipped the switch for you. Im just curious and intrigued by the reason. 😀
@@Macarone328 I really can't remember a certain moment it was around the time when I started getting into philosophy and started to question all the things I thought I knew about the world its meaning and its facts,I started to get interested in the good and evil debate. I tried to think more deeply about why people do something and why there is much bad stuff out there at first I thought some people are just evil, but then I thought more deeply and realized that the so called evil people are sometimes born with a Brain incapable of empathy which can't be there fault so it can't be a choice so it can't be evil, then I started to think about history and that in many times like in Nazi Germany most people thought and did evil things but thought they did good , and Hitler who was for me the poster boy for evil had a dog and a family he apparently loved .My concept of good and evil totally collapsed after I saw the documentary child of rage here on youtube about a 6 year old girl who did very ,,evil,, things and it was found out she was abused , thankfully she found help, but I realties if she didn't got the help she needed she would grew up and kill and people would have called her evil but because she was a child in the video no one dared to .
@Jojo Jeux [thedukeofjuke] so it seems.... But from where does this objectivity come!!? In other words, where does the moral standard come from? Does it come from the people's unanimous agreement or.....??
Wanna experience the TRUE realm of absolute evil : Just find a narcissistic friend or some malevolent sociopath, psychopath. IF you survive.... let me know what you learned !!!!!! Oh... another thing : U wanna discuss evil and aren't mentioning any of these disorders ???? You should revalue the term 'study'.....
@@reekerman1012 Aaaah... i kinda got frustrated for a second there by people often trying to explain the 'evil in people' ...or their 'dark side'. In reality not everyone is like that. Mostely narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, or people who were brainwashed by such individuals- are usually the ones who are quite destructive or even 'evil'. So it's almost an exercise in futility to try and comprehend evil without taking in account these disorders.
@@alainvosselman9960I completely disagree. A disorder is something you don't choose to have. It's not someone's fault if they're a narcissist. They can't get rid of it. What's in our control is whether we do the best we can with what we have, and that applies to everyone, from the mightiest empath to the most sensitive narcissist. Normal people can absolutely be evil. Why do you think narcissists exist? It's because nobody cares about them. If nobody cared about you, how would that make you feel? Would you be able to go on as a normal human in society? I think not. The real evil ones are not those suffering, but those sitting comfortably and happily and causing suffering to others.
We can replace good vs evil with rationality vs irrationality. You could be a good Christian man who goes to church every sunday but the truth is, society doesn't rely on "good" people to shape the modern world.
We're lost in the desert and you have a water bottle while I have a gun. Replacing good/evil with rationality/irrationality equals the justification for murder in that scenario.
Exactly like Nietzsche. People will never understand this, but as you understand, you can apply it to your life and get rid of suffering from pratice moral evaluation and become a idealist, because morality is a kind of idealism, and idealism is the same as say "no" to reality. Morality leeds to suffering. Congratulations to make it clear. Bye
I believe you , but im afraid this individualistic perspective is also behind the economic and demographic decline of many western countries. Maybe you don't care at this point , but society needs some kind of propaganda , lie , or slave-mentality from its population in order to function (and it ussually comes in the form of morals), so in the end , these philosophies are good as long as we're not in danger.
I was a fundamentalist Christian for 10 years. Over the last 2 years my beliefs have radically changed. I began to question 'sin' and 'wrong'...My own trail or logic has lead me to believe in something very similar to this - hence why im here trying to research it. For Christians and for people who believe in a specific kind of God ask yourself this question...If we are here to learn love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, patience and long suffering then do you think that could happen in a world without sin and evil? I do believe in a creator at this point of time and I do believe that this creator designed this world to have BOTH good and evil...I think our higher spiritual self needed to learn what it was like to be both victim and perpetrator in this realm to have an all encompassing understanding of life - from every angle.
fuck Christians, Cortana. No there is no Creator, as We are creators and manipulators of genetic research. there is no higher spiritual self, and there is no knowledge. We are creators, so why should there be a Creator in the hypocritical sense that they also create? the Creator designed this world?! Now that is crazy.
The ideas in this video are an assault on objectivity and the self. Most of what I have seen of your philosophy as presented on this channel is junk philosophy, rehashed from others with the same low quality of ideas. The ideas you are presenting are evil, and you are responsible for communicating them on this channel. To the extent you continue this, you are evil. This channel is an excellent example of someone who is a decent communicator of horrible, misery-inducing ideas. - ADJ
Yes, it is an assault on the self. You are so wrapped up in ego and philosophy that you don't want to look deeper to see what's really going on. What I'm pointing you to is not philosophy, but reality itself, which cannot be captured in language or thought -- which is what you're trying to do. This doesn't work. I know you're passionate about Rand, but that's irrelevant. If you want to advance to the highest levels of your own development, you will have to come to grips with the spiritual truth of no-self. You will have drop your ego, because it is a fiction of your mind that is the root of everything that troubles you in your life. But this requires extreme openmindedness to see. This means you will have to admit fundamental errors in your world-view. Right now your mind is too closed to begin a proper self-investigation. I see this with a lot of advanced people in the personal development field: they are totally lost in theories. I encourage you open your mind completely, admit to yourself that you could be presently wrong, and to start researching what enlightenment is. This will help you see how your ego created the defensive comment posted above. Don't worry, dropping Rand's philosophy, and all philosophy for that matter, will not rob you of anything, even though it seems like it will. It will actually super-charge your performance and enjoyment of life. Philosophies are simply security blankets for the ego's pleasure. You can discover this for yourself through careful self-investigation. Ask yourself why you work so hard to promote a philosophy. Look at the very root of it very honestly.
Actualized.org What you are trying to say is that reality is above reason; is above man. Reality is outside and above man's capacity for understanding. Reality is unknowable. This has roots in the worst philosophers throughout history, whether or not you are even aware of the roots of your own thinking and ideas you've latched onto. "no-self" is not true, it is false, and evil. It is clearly, openly, anti-self, anti-man, and anti-life on earth - a life which you share as a matter of identity. "Extreme open mindedness" is clever rhetoric for anti-critical thinking. Accepting everything at the expense of any level of discerning judgement. This is anti-reason, even. This is open mindedness to the point that "your brain is falling out of your ears". At this point, I'm not promoting a philosophy, I'm defending philosophy itself, man's fundamental understanding of existence and his relationship to it. This will come off as harsh, because it is. You and the ideas presented on this channel are everything that is wrong with the self-development/self-help/self-actualization industry and movement. You are a perfect example of self-actualization divorced from a commitment to reason, logic, and reality. - ADJ
The 21 Convention You are lost in beliefs, which have nothing to do with reality. Reality actually is very knowable, but not through thought. Without ego, everything about realty is known. You are reality itself, so you can be it -- and this will answer all your questions about it. But you cannot turn reality into a philosophy. This is a very tricky thing because your ego doesn't want you to see this. You have to be willing to admit that your beliefs could be entirely wrong.
Man's only tool for integrating any understanding of reality is his mind, his reason. What you are talking about is the obliteration of the mind for some neo-mystical self-contradictory guess work about the nature of reality. This is really low quality thinking that I'm not even confident you understand the basic roots of and how persistently retarded these ideas have been throughout history. - ADJ
The 21 Convention You are factually wrong. Mind is good, but mind is also limited. Reality is not really accessible to logic. What your logic does is create maps of reality and then it tells you that these maps are the territory, which they are not. And your logic further tells you that this is the best you can do, and that the territory itself is never directly accessible. But if you sit down and take the time to observe your consciousness, you will start to see the logic crumble and something very amazing take its place. The territory actually is directly accessible if you are willing to abandon the maps you've been creating your whole life. But you have to actually sit down and do this, not just theorize about it. That would be you creating another map. If you haven't taken the time to do this personally, then you are speaking about something you do not know. What I'm pointing you to isn't an alternative theory or philosophy or belief system. It's a direct experience of raw reality without the filters of thought. This is not anything that you have presently experienced or can imagine. But it is real and it is very sobering. Take a look at someone like Ekhart Tolle. He is a man who has seen raw reality. There is no thought there. There is no philosophy. There is no need to fight or defend any cause. There are no questions. There are no contradictions. There are no problems. There is no self. And there certainly is no Ayn Rand. Rand's ideas are fun and they can light a fire under your ass, but they can only take you so far. Fundamentally, everything she said is wrong because everything she said assumed the existence of a self which does not actually exist. Rand didn't understand this herself because she was completely bought into her own thoughts, and you are now making the same mistake. Rand's ideas were great for writing a novel because they create drama and struggle. All struggle is an ego-created need that is based on the false notion that you are a separate, autonomous entity that needs to survive and protect itself. But once you see that you are not actually this entity, the struggle becomes pointless. Watch out for how your mind tells you that your struggle is necessary for your well-being. That is the greatest ruse in its deep bag of tricks. If there's something that you should fight, it's you own sense of self. That is the only enemy. All the enemies you see out there are really a clever distraction created by your mind to keep your from looking inward. Because if you ever do turn inward for a long enough period of time, you will discover the sham that you are perpetuating on yourself. That is why the very idea of sitting down and looking inward and questioning your sense of self horrifies you. You don't even want to consider it. You reject it instantly. But ask yourself why. What is the mind afraid of? What could it be hiding? I know this because I used to be like you are now, very dogmatic, very identified with my thoughts. You have to have the courage to start admitting that everything you think you know about life is fundamentally wrong. Deep down you know this already -- that's why your life is filled with sadness and fear and suffering -- but you don't want to admit it yet. The implications would be horrifying. Philosophies would have to crumble. But even as your mind reads this and objects, your mind can't hide the fact that living Rand's philosophy isn't working because it's false. Look at how much of your life has to be spent defending and struggling.
The initiation of violence is morally wrong. I would not call it "evil" because of the religious implications of this concept. But initiating violence is morally wrong,unintelligent and ignorant.
For a person like me who does not believe in free will, this video makes total sense but as Leo did not mention the freewill argument i am not sure how a person who does believe in free will would stop believing in evil
Your video completely miss the point. It’s call polarity. Everything in this world has an opposite and neither is bad or good. There’s rich and poor, dark and light, left and right. Male or female. These are things that make up what we call life and we need both to survive. Without one we would not know the other. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just an experience. Killing is not bad, we kill bugs, plants, animals all the time. Police and military kill ppl for our “protection” and so on and so forth. A serial killer kills for fun, but all of it is killing. No one is more noble than the other. We are all guilty of this notion. It’s a part of life and society needs to just accept it instead of labeling it. Having ppl think they’re bad ppl when really they’re just living life like every other creature on earth.
When I think about the concept of good and evil I usually come up with hypothetical future scenarios of myself, being either good and evil and usually find that the reasoning behind said scenarios is complicated, not only that but I also find that I can trace the events taking place in these scenarios as inspired or culture prone, I then try to find a more objective view before continuing on with these scenarios, the places I end up at are quite fascinating and diverse, and usually makes everything around seem more abstract, and strange
Great video! Thanks! Can you make an episode about the delusion of free will? I think all problems of society come down to that. no free will -> moral? -> identity? -> happiness? etc.
No, the broccoli would simply be bad for YOU. Broccoli itself in general, is not good or bad. It simply IS. Good and Bad/Evil only work for each individual. You get it?
so true. not sure if you're atheist or agnostic or whatever your stance on religion is but you've spoke from a very clear and direct perspective. Definitely subscribing to your channel. I wonder what your perspective is on spirituality and metaphysics.
Telling lies. Misleading. Harming yourself or others with intent. Those are undeniably evil acts. Evil is another word for unacceptably negative. A devil behaviour is evil by nature. Most adults should know this.
Food for thought. What if the ability to conceptualize of good and evil, was humanity's evolutionary 'hard-wiring' toward peaceful co-existence? ... Or at least some component of it.
i really enjoy this concept as i watched this video, i also thought about sam harris' conversation on good vs evil i managed to marry the two perspectives beautifully, in my opinion we can agree that existence is neutral, and be radically honest about the subjectivity of everything, which would in turn protect us from that ego defense mechanism that led to the holocaust (according to leo) simultaneously, we can agree that certain acts can be viewed as (subjective) evil in society, so as to facilitate peaceful co-existence. this means we are choosing to and agreeing on collectively giving meaning to murder/rape/torture as "evil" things, so as to allow all of humanity to thrive and work towards a greater "good" (which aligns with what same was saying)
If I were being beaten up, tortured, or killed for no fault of mine I would have no doubt that evil was happening to me. If I did the same to someone else they would have the same conclusion. Of course intention comes into the equation. Errors of thinking and belief can lead to actions which are harmful,hurtful and thus evil. Not absolutely, but generally speaking I would say in most cases, pleasure is good and pain is the result of evil. This idea of there being no good or evil makes little sense. Between pain and pleasure, I would not be neutral, I would prefer always, for myself and others.
And if you disagree with anything I'm saying, you're automatically closed minded? Who determines what an open mind? The person who's trying to sell you something.
@@carlosatreides5653 I am a professional gambler, i bet 5.000$ that you saw a video of Richard Dawkins getting interviewed and being told " it is truth for me ". And then Richard replied, "truth for you?" there is no sucha thing. You saw that video inside the last 2 months, if yes, give me 5.000$, if not, give me your card and i will put 10.000$ in it. Waiting for your answer.
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 it's still backwards logic, because isn't that how we define "evil"? acts like murder r*pe etc... so if you call that Good you are flipping the language on its head.
Donating to charity isn't fun. Being vegan isn't fun. Being a friend to outcasts isn't fun. Getting out of bed to help a stranger out of a crashed car isn't fun. My life would be a lot more comfortable if I didn't do those things. Yet I do them anyway, because good won the battle for my heart.
"It's just murder all of gods creatures do it" For those who don't understand We have animals. Many animals that eat that eat their own children It's nature We created status so of course we think that the death of one is greater than the death of many but we every single one of us is no different from the greats. Those that argue some are smarter than others. We created that. Those that contribute the most to mans laws are of course are going to get the recognition they get because why? They delved into the meta of whatever they research or where passionate about and it aided the biggest social powerhouse. That's it. There is no good or evil just mans laws.. We are just animals aware of how smart we are.. that's it..
More wickedness has been done in the name of good than anything else. If you live life consciously, you will do no evil, and no one will ever need to give you an instruction manual on proper behavior. And you will not require any notion of good or evil to do this.
Being harmful to society and being "evil" are two different things. We can evaluate the harm, but the morality is a subjective interpretation of reality.
Good and evil are human concepts we use to explain or describe an intention, they only exist as part of language and in our minds and thoughts. Abstractly evil and good actually describe a process of development from once stage to another, Evil to good, ignorance to knowledge, chaos to tranquillity, destruction to creation. low frequency to higher frequency. They also suggest that you can either stagnate and refused to grow or elevate and refuse to remain the same. There is a big difference between trying to appear or sound clever and actually being clever, one is ego driven the other is intelligence driven. Which are you?
Read the Bible if you want truth. There is good and evil in the world because there are angels of light and angels of darkness in the world. We see evidence of good and evil continually.
I've thought about this a lot. I think that bad intentions are the definition of evil and like you say, you can't be certain of someone's intentions but I also say you can of your own. And you still have to trust your intuition and watch out for evil and deep deep manipulation because some people are highly intelligent and if they've been born a psychopath or traumatized enough to become one. Life is rigged, but I'd still avoid them.
@@DawnshieId no, it really doesn't lol. Because I care about my friends first, and they want be to be safe, so I never would take a stupid risk and that's obviously not evil.
@@DawnshieId that's a really trapping headspace which if you followed we'd all be submissive to bad people who manipulate us because being good requires the freedom to be good or bad. So to go back on what I said we are evil from birth m8. I'm a pro at morality stuff. What a flex. I've studied and thought about it since i was young, I'm like a fucking black hole these days. Solid. Got multiple answers for every trapping question all based on lovely logic
@@DawnshieId calling yourself or anyone evil in the first place. Most of the time will just make you or them feel insecure, which usually won't result in positive action. so if you really care about isolated people. Start by thinking about what you class as evil, because there's billions of people in the world and making statements that good people avoiding traumatized people who they don't have the skill to help. Is a bad place to start when using the word evil bud bud.
@@hugojj101 Fitting in and being an insider doesn't make you good. Caring about your friends first is loyal if they really need your help, but it's selfish if you just want to maintain those bonds at the cost of strangers' well-being. You sound a lot like you're the latter. Selfish loyalty, not genuine loyalty. And most of all, it's not stupid to care for a fellow human who is just as important as you and needs to be included by ordinary people like you. You can set healthy boundaries while still being there for him. You sound like someone who very much behaves like a social bee, always following the hive. That's evil, not good, because it's done out of fear and a desire to climb the ladder, rather than love and a desire to lift others up the ladder.
This guy obviously has no idea what morality is. First mistake, to think that the difference between good and evil is about preference, like what flavor ice cream you like or what color shirt you want to wear. Second mistake, he thinks that good and evil are whats in your own individual subjective mind. First answer. morality is not about the individual human but about the relations between humans. Secondly it s not about preference but about the effect that your actions have on other. Not understanding this simple concepts leads him to think Hitler and Churchill were the same or that Israel and Palestine is about preferences! Or that there is no difference between murder and self defense. The only thing he gets some semblance of right is about the lions, the bees and the ants. Yes the lions have morality by the way. They depend on it for their survival. They cooperate in hunts, they raise their cubs and they maintain a hierarchy. No, at the end of the day this guy does not know what morality even is.
Take a very good close look at this thing you call morality. What is its existential nature? Morality is a thought in your mind. That is the whole of it. Without this thought, there is no morality. There is just behavior and reality -- all of which is devoid of meaning and entirely neutral. Morality is just a voice in your head that says things about reality. It's like commentary during a football game. It's just words.
@LaRon Chandler No. You're confusing evil for cruelty. Cruelty, the act of inflicting pain on another is a fact, much like how compassion is a fact. Many people often conflate compassion and cruelty with good and evil respectively, and that is a fundamentally flawed argument. Good and evil are about rather are not we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be compassionate and/or cruel. Pointing to the most extreme case of cruelty, for aforementioned reasons, is a very weak argument. Because then the argument turns to the question of "Is cruelty evil?", and that answer quickly becomes arbitrary whenever cases of self defense arise. It's a bottomless rabbit hole.
If there is no meaning, your video is meaningless, then you haven't actually said anything, and therefore you have removed from everyone watching any reason to take this view seriously. On this view, the entire video was a preformative contradiction, that is to say, you are discussing something you believe reflects reality in a universal way, and not something your mind merely made up because you are asserting that this view is universally true, set against the proposition that good and evil actually do exist. This view asserts a universal truth, good and evil are directly related to truth, therefore by making your universal assertion you self refute this entire world view. Relativism doesn't work brother. This has been established, even by atheists, ages ago. I recommend Stephans Universally preferable behaviour if you prefer an atheists approach to this issue.
When someone says that evil does not exist, I remind them that rape and murder exists. We use the word 'evil' to describe them, because they do great unnecessary harm. Rape and murder are evils that we ought to fight, if we care about others.
doesn't need an investigation. rational thought will tell you this. people have this ego driven need to be better than others, pretty obvious. if you can separate the ones that don't agree with your perspective it makes you feel better than them, allows you to judge them... jump on twitter and read political/religious arguments...it speaks for itself. ethics and morals are the result of commonalities in perspective. nothing more, nothing less.
@@EgoBruiser I don't understand since everything is just perspective, does that mean there is no such thing as a universal truth? If judgment of something right or wrong doesn't exist how can I trust your judgment on anything, since your perspective is merely one you created on your own and doesn't really exist?
@@jeff330 who said it doesn't exist? judgement of something comes from your personal views/perspective... we create the right/wrong. not sure how universal truth came into this. to each man his own truth. evidence of something being one way or another does not make them right/wrong/etc... we label them as such.
@@EgoBruiser Universal truth is brought up because I feel it's a real thing and that a human can perceive it. I get the feeling you're implying that because a human makes an assumption based on its perception that's it's undoubtedly wrong. I could be mistaken but that is my impression, and honestly that would be you using your human judgment so it's rather confusing.
@@jeff330 ummm you're not getting it. how could i be implying people are just wrong if i'm saying that right/wrong are concepts made up by us? right/wrong only exists in our heads... so no i am not implying this.
some good points, that's why there are laws, to differentiate if someones done something good or done something bad. In reality there is good and evil, but only in the course of peoples actions. Killing someone in self defence is not good but is defence but murdering someone is bad.
and so... with all the videos of yours i have watched, i have always had a sting of uncertainty as it pertains to your knowledge. to your truth. until now, i know why i have had red flags drawn up. saying there is no evil and that all is good is denying the fact that there is an absolute or actualization of anything. also, it shows that you you are dismissive in that reality alone simply because it feels better. its easier to say evil doesnt exist then to actually explore it. if you truly have applied oneness to the universe you will know that being polarized (meaning exploring the darkness to better appreciate and understand the light) will completely debunk this here point of this video. the real ego swollen opinion is yours leo. you seem to be a great person, but in this video, the information is just...wrong. in its entirety. please search for your soul. it is not lost completely yet. #shalom
I like this concept but I'm struggling with a few things here. Like, are you comfortable with labeling someone a bad or good person or do those labels just not exist with this philosophy? Are people just neutral?
He talked about how the universe is neutral (which I personally believe to be true), however he just sort of transferred the neutrality to humans which I believe to be wrong because he discredited what humanity has determined as moral because we have evolved that way, but there is intelligent design in the universe which actually gives credit from God who oversaw the growth of the human race meaning God oversaw the moral evolution of mankind . I did a terrible job of explaining that but I hope I helped you a little bit.
Leo I'm a big fan, but I have to disagree with you here. What you are espousing sounds an awful like a form of moral relativism. I agree that many if not most things that are considered good and evil are subjective and socially conditioned. However, at the extremes there is definitely evil. For example Hitler whatever his motives was responsible for slaughtering millions of people. This includes throwing babies into ovens. Those were horrific evil acts. The fact that factory farming exists does not change that what Hitler did was evil. I would argue that factory farming is evil as well. The way animals are slaughtered and tortured on a mass scale of millions is reprehensible. We can't prove whether there is some kind higher power that is responsible for our existence or consciousness, but the fact that we have a moral compass and our brains are wired for morality could be due to that.
By what objective criterion do you propose we call Hitler evil? No such criterion exists if you look for one honestly. What's really happening here is that you're trying to impose your ego on the world. Morality is a human invention. Moreover, an egoic invention.
How about this objective criteria: Murdering and torturing innocent people. I may be wrong, but whether ego is involved or not is beside the point. Ego is usually but not always bad.
Lec The USA murders and tortures innocent people, as does pretty much every country, so this makes every president of every country evil as well. But more to the point, your criteria begs the question, because you then need a further criteria for why murdering and torturing people is evil. This is not at all an obvious matter. Why is murdering and torturing not seen as just a physical action you personally happen to dislike? Isn't this what you really mean when you call someone evil? You personally dislike them. After all, ants don't care whether human beings are killed. From an ant's perspective, there's no reason to assert Hitler is evil. In fact it could be the opposite. Maybe human beings are hurting the planet and encroaching on other species? Why would the perspective of one species out of millions of others be objectively more valid? Sounds very egotistical. Moreover, even your capacity to call things "evil" is a human-specific thing. To all the other billions of organisms living on the planet, "evil" isn't even a valid concept. Ego being involved is very much the point. The only reason you feel a need to call others evil is because it makes you feel superior and reinforces your particular worldview, making you feel more secure.
There are huge differences in degree and intent when it comes to world leaders and the crimes they have committed. How can you say that someone like Bush or Obama who are admittedly responsible for 1000s of deaths are the same as leaders such as Hitler and Stalin who are responsible for 10s of millions of deaths? American presidents are not Angels but for the most part in history apart from dropping the H bomb on Japan or carpet bombing Dresden, American presidents have at least tried to minimize loss of life in conflicts. It can't completely be prevented in wars, at least some of which were waged by us in self defense. There is also being forced to kill to preserve life and and actively/purposefully seeking to kill as many opponents as possible who disagree with your world view like Bin Laden, Hitler and Stalin did. Both may be technically wrong but the exponential difference in degree purpose and intent matters. We're talking about killing to defend basic human rights and civil liberties that we are using in this discussion versus killing to enslave and subjugate to totalitarian systems were guys like you and me would be the first to be killed for expressing out views. I agree that human beings kill many species on a mass scale and that wrong and evil as well.
Also other organisms don't massacre their own kind or other species on the gargantuan scale that human beings do. I believe that it is an evil characteristic of humanity, that hopefully with technological innovation and evolution of consciousness will eventually stop. Other than on this issue I believe you and people like Owen Cook and Tony Robbins are helping to improve human consciousness.
Leo thank you for posting all these great videos and opening my mind to the truth and these great concepts everyday! Everything you say just makes so much sense. Its funny how by reading some of the comments people were posting below you notice that they are still trying to convince each orher who's right and who's wrong even after listeing to this video. The subconcious mind and how it affects you is trully a powerfull thing!!
Mah Sa Do not be decieved. God will punish the wicked. Good and evil exist. So if someone murdered your family in front of you wouldn't you think that is evil? Of course it would be evil murder is wickedness.
@@chrisyuwdah for most of human history we went around murdering each other does that mean all of humanity before our current culture was evil no that would be ridiculous we just are certain culture with certain beliefs and we hate Predators as one of our main ones so anything that is predatory we act as if it’s evil
I came to the same conclusion about good and evil being subjective back in 2005 during a period of OCD driven guilt. The realisation helped rid me of the nauseating guilt I felt. I hadn't really done anything bad but OCD can give you irrational fears of being a terrible person. To realise that being a "terrible" person was actually subjective anyway was a great weight off my shoulders! At the same time, I realised that it isn't just good and evil that is subjective, but all meaning us humans give to everything in existence. Many would say this is a very depressing thought which makes life seem pointless, but I found it freed me from all the preconceived and culturally imposed ideas of how things are/should be. Just because nothing has any inherent/universal meaning, it doesn't mean that you cannot continue to create meaning for yourself, as I have done, it just makes you realise how limited we are as a society when we believe in the existence of such absolute objectivity.
Jesus also offers you complete forgiveness for everything.
i guess hitler came to the same conclusioin as you, its all subjective
@@ceceroxy2227 not sure how to feel about that, lol! Still it’s all subjective anyhow 😕
very true bro,after so much of thinking atlast, now i have this same conclsion.its kinda relived now 😇👍
While I understand what you are saying, I personally believe that what most of us deem as evil, are acts or the intention to harm another being. Therefore, if you kill someone with the intention to protect yourself, then it's not usually seen as evil. It's all in the intention and in some cases it's not so clear to see the intention behind ones actions. Example, Hitler might have thought he was doing the right thing by creating the "perfect race", but when you cross the boundary of doing harm to another being, then I would say that is evil/bad/wrong..... Just my thoughts....
A lot of witnesses during WWII were stumped at the fact that Nazis looked "normal", i.e. they looked human. I think what the author of this video is trying to say is that a lot of us deem someone or something as evil that looks different from us like we put a lot of emphasis on the whites of someone's eyes, without this simple physical trait, there is always a feeling of being in the presence of evil which is not actually based in reality.
I agree Priscilla!
And Elfen.. Are you saying our views are based on types of eyes?
Interesting..
Priscilla Escobar you do harm on someone to protect yourself , is that evil or not to u
that would be based on empathy, which happens to also be partially a value acquired through experiences, and debatably, through human nature. Still just a value, no underlying truth is there.
Taoism figured this out thousands of years ago. Carl Jung helped refine it with the concept of the Shadow.
@Florida Under Moonlight you are correct
Just discovered this school of thought, your comment showed me where to go next. Thank you!
@@louieblairmusic No problem 😊
"Do not look at external sources for the answer"
* literally 3 seconds later
".. maybe read some books to gain perspective"
Finally ! Someone who shares my same view on the life! For me good and evil are all imagined categories in the head
So Good and evil are personal preferences?
Is it absolutely good or absolutely evil for anyone in the world under any circumstances to rape 3 year old babies for fun?
jason tabifor it’s absolutely evil 💯
Evil and good are absolute concepts and if you take that absoluteness away from these things than that leaves man to redefine good and evil for theirselves.
@@savonjames2670 I believe so too savon James. I was expecting a response from "official perfect hard" (the guy who made the original comment trying to debunk good and evil.
I wonder what these people are turning the world into by preaching the non-existence of good and evil.
Do you believe in God James?
I completely agree, reality is neutral, reality is one. There is no separation, we create the reality of duality.
To see past good and evil we have to harmonize the opposite forces within our self. The way to do that is to find the center between the extremes in every area of our life, the middle way. As long as we lean to one end of the spectrum the opposite will manifest to the same degree. Opposites are mutually created. One comes into being through the other. When we find the center, we find balance, that is when the ego dissolves and we become aware of the Oneness or Unity of the whole of existence. In reality we are the empty space at the center of everything.The middle path is the way to enlightenment.
I really love that philosophy.
Garbage. Light and dark are not opposites. The latter is the absence of the former. We should go as extremely toward the light, or toward the good, as we can. The truth is Extreme and what is good is extreme, despite the cries of "extremist11!!!" in most propaganda. Be excellent one another. Don't spout some BS about how there is no right or wrong just because you don't want to be held accountable for what youve chosen.
people are so easily brainwashed, if I was evil I'd try to convince everyone there was no evil so there'd be no opposition once they awakened.... ("greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist")
Well said.
The devil is cooler with people then God in the Bible.
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In the Bible, satan is the father of all lies and tries to deceive you until you are deceived and curse God. He hates you because God loves you.
In the Bible God so loved the world the He did not deny but gave his only beloved son to die for you to pay for your sins, so you would not die in your sins and go to hell. God doesn’t want that anyone should perish in hell.
The God the Bible loves to value you worthy of his sacrifice for you. Jesus is God almighty. So if you believe in Him and trust him with all your heart, you’ll not perish but have everlasting life. He can now forgive you of all your wrong doings, of all your sins and separate them from you as far as the east is from the west. By His wounds He heals you from your wounds. He changes your heart to love unconditionally. He saves you from destruction, from your worries, from your pain. He will never remember your sins for eternity and takes you in as His child. This, He’ll give you a crown as a prince to judge and rule over nations of angels. You were his enemy and He makes you His child. He calls your body the sacred Temple of His Holy Spirit. He can now fill you up with his Holy Spirit and give you a peace that passes all understanding.
You and God become as one in unity and love.
Tell me what is better than that?
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Your pre-scientific mind. This is philosophy, not religion. Learn the difference. You can't. You are not intelligent enough.
You want priests, witch doctors, to remove "evil" from people, instead psychiatry and psychology, it's mental illness, all "evil" people are mentally ill (but most mentally ill people are not evil, don't do evil, because they are not psychopaths and don'r have antisocial personality disorders), mentally healthy people don't become mass shooters or kill anyone ever... Antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy.
In this video, Leo uses an example of pride of lions to provide support for a point. This point is that if people renounced the existence of good and evil, the world would not necessarily become a darker, more dangerous, more chaotic place. He states that “[…] a group of about 10 lions, laying in the Savannah somewhere” don’t have a sense of morality, and few people would claim that they do. He’s of course correct here about the lions not having a higher concept of morality as we do.
Leo claims that, despite being devoid of morality, the lions do not attack, kill or cause harm to other lions (except rarely) and this indicates that humans likely wouldn’t either. While this example seems good, it’s actually quite misleading. Indeed, a pride of lions-or a pack of wolves-would not often kill members of their own clan. But the moment you introduce a different, competing pride or pack, the fighting is bound to take place.
Although Leo tries to subtly liken a 10-animal lion pride to mankind as a whole, it’s more accurately likened to a single family. Yes, if a human family believed no moral absolutes existed, it’s members would still be unlikely to kill each other. This is primarily because of a sense of camaraderie, or collective survival interest, which also keeps those 10 lions from killing each other. However, nature would indicate-from the lions or wolves themselves-that morality-denying humans would in fact lash out against other families, races, or social classes when they inevitably showed up as a threat of survival or prosperity (just like competing lion prides or wolf packs).
Especially seen in the lower class, where people often have to steal to eat (which threatens the victim’s prosperity and frequently survival), it’s really not hard to see how different social classes or families would become threats to others.
I urge anyone watching these videos to not simply take up Leo's views (which are really Eckhart Tolle's views repackaged, and which he himself has already said you shouldn't do). Just because he has thought about these things several steps beyond what you have, or the ideas he presents are interesting, I'd recommend questioning those as well--both from the common sense perspective that Leo claims is strictly egoic, as well as from his mindfulness sort of perspective.
If you look at how human social systems function you see exactly what you said: tribes fighting other tribes. If you study chimps and bonobos, you see similar patterns. "Morality" gets enforced very simply by the tribe to increase everyone's survival as a whole. But this is not some absolute sense of good and evil. Chimps have simply evolved with practical rules for upping their ability to survive in a social context. Chimp politics is eerily similar to human politics.
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So you are re-stating that chimps don’t have morality as we do-no absolute sense of good and evil? I agree with you on that already, as I’ve said. I also agree that animals develop ways of maximizing survival; you and I have both said this.
However, I don’t see how your comment is a refutation to what I’ve said about the content of your video. Perhaps you’re just reiterating the couple points that we agree on? Am I safe to assume you agree with me, then, on all of what I said, since you didn’t particularly go against it? Maybe it's just a reply stating that primates are an interesting avenue of research?
Nobody wants to suffer and nobody wants to die by nature, so even if we don't have an "objective" morality, it means we as reasoning beings can cooperate to live in harmony, that was the idea behind creating the concept of "government"... back when corruption and power hunger weren't a thing.
If nobody wants to suffer, they won't do anything that would make someone else suffer without a reasonable justification, or else they might as well get a general punishment.
@@WeebSlayer71 Exactly it's like people justifying greed.
@@HitchinsGrant That's not an objective criteria for good and evil though, that's just a concept made for survival.
Now... Is survival good or evil?
See, the issue is that that's more for an objective criteria for nothing, but instead a subjective survival.
"Good" or "Bad" don't exist beyond our mind, they are concepts made up for us to judge which things are permisible for the pleasure (more specifically, the absence of suffering).
So raping a child is just evil from my point of view, interesting 🤔
What decides what's good and evil? Whoever has more power. It's that simple
well thats great justification for being as immoral as you want as long as you have power. The true answer is God.
What people mistake as evil, is simply fear. There is no evil. But there is fear. Yet, fear is ultimately baseless. So the real problem is .... that people are delusional.
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If there is no evil then there is no good. You come on as a materialist.
Sounds like you have a fear of evil. Because just as good exists, evil exists. Denial is fear undercover.
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@@RosannaMiller everything about humans is evil and good, that includes me.
@@RosannaMiller it's ok to have fear though, no one tells u that u need to be forever brave.
This has really helped me stop feeling guilty about beating my racial minority wife. Thank you Leo! I am just correcting her. I am making her a better person.
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There’s no right or wrong. You are welcome. Only perspective
Is your statement right or wrong?
Saying evil doesn’t exist is just a way to justify doing and getting away with evil acts.
Have you met evil as a child?
This was a very helpful video for me. I remember that I had many weird tingles in my brain that I could not describe to people. I asked myself "what are these tingles actually and do they really mean anything?".
these reactions were strongest in reaction to you talking about murder and rape. I also remembered that in my philosophy of ethics class I was confused because it did not clearly define good, bad, right, and wrong.
With this in mind I googled define good, define evil, define immoral and others. I found that evil was bad, bad was immoral, and immoral was not conforming to society. These definitions still did not clarify this for me.
I often beat myself up over the thought of something I th out was bad, but it does not make sense because this is still just a tingle in the brain. I don't need to demonize anybody, and certainly not myself over a thought.
Good video.
i've been through some traumatic experiences several times in my lifetime which involved people abusing me. i lived years being crippled by my menories and my judgement that what happened to me was horrible, abusive, bad. as i kept these judgementd, i found no peace or healing. i was always haunted by the horrible events and the evil that is in people...recently, something shifted in me and i came to the conclusion thst no evil was done to me and there is no evil in the whole circumstances i went through. i decided to see no evil and bad in my traumas and the people involved. unpleasent, painful, negative..yes. evil and bad? no. since i shifted my perspective, i came to peace and i can affirm i am feeling more sane and happy and whole than ever before. i abstain myself from affirming this as a general statement and i try to not apply for other people's pains, but i do it for my life and myself (this is my right and freedom and choice) i, thus, gave up on my judgement on good and evil. i choose to see all things in my life good ( they serve a good purpose) and i try to guide myself out of unpleasent and negative experiences, but without judging them as evil or horrible..so, fear drops a lot for me..anyway. there are not so much content about this subject..
You deserve peace. You've already done your fighting and you've earned your rest. I'll keep fighting and judging good and evil so you don't have to. 🤍
There is no good or evil, it is what you make it to be. But nothing can truly be good or evil. If I was to kill someone it wouldn't be truly evil because many people have different opinions on what good and evil is
A Perplexed Pineapple only the generally concesus on an issue of morality is important to the world but yes you are correct
Well in my opinion
Finally someone I can agree with.
If you were to kill someone it wouldn't be good or evil(obviously they don't exist anyhow) because you had no choice in the matter. You are just being you, that's all life is... a ride. Free will doesn't exist.
Jason Marcus but if it being us isn't that "free will"?
There is no good or evil. There is pov A, pov B and the truth which is impartial and neutral. The end.
This guy has never experienced anything outside of his bubble.
Some people prefer bad things like getting beaten or smoke, drink, etc. That’s why you have to be mentally healthy to make the right decision.
Evil is just suffering to a sentient being
The whole idea of evil seems silly to me. Everything depends on circumstances within or without of our control. Decisions are never completely in your control.
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I was taught in my youth, and by religion too, that almost everyone is basicly 'good', you say don't be influenced by what you were taught as a child, well later I have learned that many people (maybe most if they are left to their own devices with no consequence) are sadistic, cruel, selfish, ignorant, greedy, and ultimately destructive to others and themselves - this is what is evil to me - behavior that is ultimately destructive or harmful, to deny that people are not this way is setting oneself up to be taken advantage of or preyed upon, and often for NO other reason than people can, and get a rise from it.
LOVE this channel, it has helped me, but this here is where I finally disagree.
Realism! Read Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Voltaire! If there is good in the world it must be protected!
I am listening to Nosferatu trying to convince me there is no evil, while pointing his slender, vampirish, evil fingers at me. Right.
There is no evil to overcome within ourselves, only delusion; the delusion that we are separate.
The belief that we are separate, that we are other than Love, causes us to do harmful and evil things at times.
But there is no one who is evil! Since there is no one who is actually separate from Love.
Harmful acts are done out of fear! Out of a desperation to survive, and to be on top at all costs.
You're right Leo. Unfortunately it kills the "romantic Hero" CONCEPT I grew up with watching movies and TV. Back then Evil and Good we're easy to DISTINGUISH. And it was easier to fight Evil. Batman was GOOD and the Joker was EVIL. Now all I see is a sea of atoms, morally neutral, in a state of quantum fluctuation.
It takes a moral bearing to claim that evil doesn't exist,therefore your claim defeats itself.
proximaism Never heard such a stupid argument.
I'm probably twice your age and have looked at this a very long time. Keep questioning everything, eventually you will see that this definition is very lacking ...and naive. My friend, evil is real and independent from whatever you think or want to believe. The world is far more complicated than how you explain it, although that is part of it. There are many layers, dimensions, even entities beyond just what you see. Don't be so narcissistic, you're too intelligent to settle for that.
Actually, the narcissistic position is to believe in objective evil. Keep looking.
Yup i've seen the unseeable your right on.
Do you have any proof that good and evil exists? If no then believing it is nonsense. You will reply "there is so much pain and suffering in this world", why do you think pain and suffering is " Bad"? Do you have any proof that good and evil is not an opinion?
I really didn't like this video. You can't see evil, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist!!! That's like saying happiness doesn't exist, because you can't see it. I have been watching a few of this man's videos and I seriously question his logic on most things. He is just over-analysing things and getting it all wrong.
Evil is just a word in your head. Take a look.
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I have to agree. The only reality is existance. Then we put labels on that very same reality after we've put our filter of understanding over that very reality. Evil is a human concept, it is not reality for any other animals on the planet. There are two feelings though, love and hate. The polarity, as with all in universe. And when we tend to "hate" something in the reality, it has had its functions biologically through evolution. However, there are those who are enlit and are working to change the world for the better, then we have the whole west world that introduced materialism and suddently most of the world felt poor. And the earth got "unfair". Is this an evil plan? No, it is the product of society, when its rulers are ignorant along with the culture in that society who allows it. Another word for evil is unawareness.
In my head, the idea of evil or hate is what strenghtens us and makes us aware and active, making a choice. Evilness could be passiveness, yet it is nobody's fault. We can talk parent responibility but how can we blame them for unawareness that lead to one kid's action. However, if caught with hate when unaware, you tend to grow even more uncounscious, buying into that hate as if it were the only truth.
The trick to not make a fool of yourself (for yourself) is to do whatever it takes to keep that awareness and focus. It is a system of doing things, whatever the goal is.
One important truth is that the goal is doing things, not doing things to reach the goal. Doing is goal. And knowing this while keeping on keeping on, is key.
Whatever your everyday will throw at you, your system of belief won't budge. You will look at every "problem" tossed at you with solution, a chance to keep on doing.
***** Yes exactly! YOU believe it. Now ask yourself why a belief should have anything to do with reality.
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Until the human race becomes fully conscious, devoid of individuality, good and evil will continue to plague the human mind until death.
So would you save a child from rape if you could? Or would you just let it happen, since you don't see anything inherently bad in it?
When driving, you don't need to call a left turn in the road "bad" in order to make a right turn.
What you are saying, Leo, makes no sense at all! And I don't think you have proper understanding of that concept yourself. What difference does it make whether you "call" something good or bad if you still have to act according to your judgement of good and bad. The results you and I would produce in that situation would be the same, what difference does it make that I "call" this act evil and you prefer not to?
+Brad Magyar So I'm incorrect because your invisible friend said so? But all I said was hitler believed himself to be good I never said he was actually good.
+Brad Magyar listen your God burns people, gambles lives, drowns people, turns people into pillars of salt. Some might say that God is "evil".
Superman kills
The police kill
Our soldiers kill
Our iPhones are made by slaves.
Our dinner is made by murderers,
So are we "evil".
+Brad Magyar Well if you don't get the concept of objective and subjective reality then I have no point in arguing with you.
Evil is the conscious decision of intelligent beings which possess empathy, to do something that results in the suffering of another being for selfish reasons or cruelty's sake.
Some of us do not naturally possess empathy and that standard is only imposed by ourselves thus making it meaningless. We can do whatever we want to each other with no consequences, the only consequences are imposed by others. Evil doesn't exist and is simply what disturbs the average persons societally reinforced view on what gets praise and what gets hate. I could want to murder but realize it's frowned upon so just become a court executioner, same result but ppl give it the a-okay and I could even be putting innocent ppl on the chair. Basically bad is just hurting others which hurts society so its a meaningless sentiment. Like ppl who get arrested for weed cause "it's the law", yes the "laws" we made up.
@@joeschmoe9412 If someone possesses empathy and does harm to another person there is a word for it and it's called evil. It can only exist and manifest where there is a natural inclination to do good and cooperate which has selfishly or spitefully been disregarded. The only humans who do not naturally possess empathy are psychopaths and others with mental illnesses or disabilities. Empathy is a common byproduct of intelligent and social animals. It's innate in most mothers and intelligent/social species like elephants. Basically if you're intelligent enough to understand your actions will cause harm to another and you choose to do it anyways then a word must exist to describe it. Saying evil does not exist is like saying cruelty does not exist. "Oh that guy who just abused your kid then chopped their head off? Eh that wasn't evil. Nah definitely not cruel. Yes I noticed he was laughing." I think it's fine to look at things objectively because I understand morality can be fairly subjective at times however I believe the pagan phrase "and it harm none, so it be" pretty much sums up morality for me. I find it dangerously pretentious to assume something doesn't exist just because people want to dance around semantics and think like robots. Go watch some drug carteI videos and tell me what word best describes their callous behaviour to you.
If evil doesn't exist than neither does good. You can have light without shadows but you can't have shadows without light.
“No judgement of anybody is ever justified. There is no reason you are right in judging somebody” Isn’t that a judgement though? You are pretty much saying someone is wrong or bad for judging. In keeping with your stance, you really just prefer if people don’t judge because judging cannot be, in keeping with your stance, wrong, bad, or evil.
That isn't a judgment, he just said that there is no way the person is right in judging judgments. There is no reason, he is judging anything that is just plain information being told.
@@WeebSlayer71 It is a judgement, - as to judge is to form an opinion about something.
@@azenethmaus7934 In that sense I guess, I always though of judgment as an arbitrary statement to actions, opinion or not.
Because opinions aren't judgements by themselves, they can be judgements depending on the context and their implications, but intrinsically there is no judging in them. realistically yes, but strictly logically no.
Judgments rely on opinions, but opinions are not judgements. Opinions are just the axioms of judgements. Someone judges based on opinions.
I think that killing is bad, but I'm judging the action of killing by saying it's bad.
However if is say that 'It's not possible to judge', then I'm not really judging anything, I'm actually disengaging in the act of judging.
You might say that I'm judging the possibility of judging, but that is an opinion, not a judgment of anything. Because you can't judge the possibility of an action, since possibilities are inconclusive, judging something inconclusive isn't ideal.
@@WeebSlayer71 Look I was just wondering how is it that in a talk about there is no good and evil, right or wrong, just preferences,
- “Conventional wisdom is wrong.”
- “There is no way you are right in judging somebody.”
- “nobody is right.” (Which is is a judgement of everyone, that we are all wrong.)
and how “You’re wrong, look at this fact, accept it = normativity.” and that there is no need to do this, aren’t the previous quotes also forms of normativity?
“I prefer non conventional wisdom” instead of “Conventional wisdom is wrong.” for example would be more consistent with the stance of this talk.
@@azenethmaus7934 I'm not sure what you said... I'm a little confused... Like yes, sure, but like, yes I agree... i just don't know what's up.
Like, we humans have developed cultures and politics to have a general consensus on how to live in harmony, even when morality is subjective. We have evolved our systems of humanity for the better living of everyone through general consesus (at least conceptually).
The implications are normative, if we think about it every statement is normative, so being normative is... a default thing in any statement, explicit or not. So I mean... yeah they are normative, but it's being normative to not be normative.
It's like me owning slaves, but I order my slave's to be free, sure I'm being normative, but they will be free of normative. It seems to me that this is straight up a paradox.
It's like owning slaves just to force them to be free, even if they don't want to (which I doubt highly but whatever).
So even if the sense of good and evil might not exist, logically there is no right judgment, we can make rational judgements through presuppositions... sure, we can just ignore the problem of induction because we actually do it everyday and that's what we sentient humans have been doing living with since we existed.
The conclusion that nobody is right in judging comes from a deductive conclusion, not an inductive one. And as we all know, deductive conclusions aren't as practical.
Most of the time I see deductive reasoning is in discussions to have strong arguments for the sake of winning a discussion and in mathematics. Mathematics is the n
only konwledge that uses deductive reasoning in a practical way, as far as I'm aware of.
I have been thinking about good and evil since a month. And fortunately I found this video, it is exactly what I think about reality.
the simplest definition of good and evil i could come up with through my own philosophizing on the topic is this; good is the intent to preserve life, evil is the intent to invoke harm upon life.
"When you blame others, you haven't learned a thing. When you blame yourself, your learning has begun. When you blame nobody, your learning is complete"
- Some Stoic guy...
I think thoughts, actions and words can be weighed into "better or worse". Right or wrong can't exist in the realm of possibility, or the capacity of human kind. Rape happens, for example. An evil act when weighed on the moral scale on its own, but remember, it has repeatedly been used by men in a number of wars. Why is that?! 🤓
What does this gots to do with good and evil?Evil is bigger the shapes my g😭😂Evil is lurking it’s a spirit silly and good is in your spirit
This is nonsense; a word game using the word "evil." Evil simply describes specific behaviors that cause others horrific suffering. For example Auschwitz, torture, slaughterhouses are considered evil. People can play language games to pretend otherwise but is it a wise use of your mind and time?
I agree with u it only describes specific behaviours that cause other people suffering or that person point of view or morality to specify it as good or evil.
Ooo, this is so interesting. I'm a person that likes to think a lot for myself. Especially about these kinds of philosophical questions. It's so fascinating. And these are things that i don't need youtube or books or anything to find out. The more you think about it the wiser you'll get :)
"The Vimalakīrti Sutra states that, when one seeks the Buddhas’ emancipation in the minds of ordinary beings, one finds that ordinary beings are the entities of enlightenment, and that the sufferings of birth and death are nirvana. It also states that, if the minds of living beings are impure, their land is also impure, but if their minds are pure, so is their land. There are not two lands, pure or impure in themselves. The difference lies solely in the good or evil of our minds."- Nichiren, 13th Century Buddhist philosopher.
The major flaw in your view is you are missing out on the most basic concept every healthy living being in this world has within them- the will to live and survive. This is the core value for everything else.
So the reason why lions are not killing each other without reason, because every individual wants to live. Therefore certain concepts/designs are present in them (e.g. social behavior, instincts, urges, conscience of the existence of ranks, etc. ), which makes co-exsistence possible.
With humans it gets a bit more complicated than that, since we have a free will and therefore are able to resist these simple concepts. But the core value of survival still remains intact, which brings me to the concept of good and evil.
The human concept of good and evil is also based on the core value of life. Every thought and act that helps to preserve life
will be considered good. Every thought and act that intends to destroy life will be considered evil. At least by the majority of people.
However we as humans, with our own free will, can decide whether we want to be good or evil. However that does not mean that someone who based his life on being good will do only good things or evil people do only bad things. We are not perfect and do not always make the right decisions, since our own world view can be flawed.
So let´s look at your example in the video.
A human murders another human. Murder is a human intentionally taking another being´s life. The murderer plays the active part, the murdered being passive. Therefore this acts intention was to destroy life and will be seen as evil.
But what if the murderer is killed by the supposed victim? This means the active being got killed in an attempted evil act by the passive being. The passive being´s intention (most likely) was to preserve life and therefore his killing will not be considered evil.
However, even though I´d say my model is way more accurate than yours, it is still too simple. In reality everyone perceives this concept through his own eyes. For example, whether the self defense of this described passive being can be considered good or evil depends on many other factors, e.g.:
a) Was killing the attacker the defender´s only option to get away unharmed?
b) Will the relatives of the attacker perceive the actions of the self-defender as good?
c) Did the defender save his own life or did he save the life of many?
Especially Point c) will influence very heavily whether a action/ thought will be considered good or evil. From this you can deduce that good/evil is not a binary concept but rather a graduated system. Usually the more lives a action/thought/concept preserves the more "good" it will be seen.
This is the reason why things like murder and rape will never be considered neutral or good. And that is how it should be.
Malísimos tus argumentos.
i think it is safe to say that all creatures will react when their individual boundaries have been crossed even if we dont label it as "bad". even those lions lying peacefully in the sun will get attacked by lions not part of their pack. they also fight over food, mates, and anything that could possibly decrese their chance of survival. we all do the exact things as animals except we call it good when we get what we want and bad when we dont
GOOD
Cause: selfless compassion for the greater needs of the weaker.
Example: A strong lion lets a weak lion eat first.
EVIL
Cause: convenience, "because I can"
Example: A strong lion eats first, pushing the weak lion away.
I really enjoyed the video. Thank you for making this!
Is it absolutely good or absolutely evil for anyone in the world under any circumstances to rape 3 year old babies for fun?
@@jasontabifor75 It’s neither good nor evil objectively speaking. We simply prefer that it not happen out of empathy and an innate desire to protect children.
@@MrSharky334 Don you have any doubts whatsoever that torturing babies and raping 3 year olds for fun is objectively wrong no matter what?
@@MrSharky334 Y’all really have a fucked up view of morality. Even murderers know that such an act is unequivocally evil.
Good = selfless giving helping others love Evil = selfishness destroying others power struggle
Hi Leo, thanks for your video. I have a few questions though. There are situations in this world which has left me traumatised. An example is the case of Junko furuta. I’d appreciate if you could look into the case or explain how do we view these aspects? Probably the worst case of murder, rape and torture I’ve ever come across and I study criminology. I couldn’t sleep for weeks. For a young lady to go through so much suffering, it’s hard to not believe evil exists. In my job I also at times see the family of victims of crimes such as when a person has been stabbed and killed where I’ve seen the mental health issues it can leave on people. The symptoms of ‘evil’ and trauma are very real where people need therapy and sometimes medication to continue living their existence here on earth. I wish someone would address this. Although evil is also a concept and part of perception, certain parts of this world that others are currently experiencing has left me questioning life overall.
You have discovered the weakness of his argument that evil is just a miswiring of the brain. That leads us to ignore it. The problem is that this miswiring isn’t a pebble in your shoe, it is often a thorn that impales your leg. In reality we must choose the lesser of two evils all the time. You see a rape in progress but you do nothing to stop it. The Japanese Imperial Army’s rape of nanjing. The NAZIs murder 6 million Jews. Do we stand by and do nothing? It’s up to you, but evil does exist because it is hard wired into our brains via our conscience. That’s how we recognize it. We need the concept of evil to recognize it’s magnitude otherwise we would never come to the conclusion to save those in the grip of it.
If God doesn’t exist ,evil doesn’t exist,until judgement day.
you have said exactly the things I have figured out when I started getting into philosophy
That's great...how did philosophy bring this to your attention...i know that a dumb question because I know how, but im wondering was it a certain saying, moment or reading that flipped the switch for you. Im just curious and intrigued by the reason. 😀
@@Macarone328 I really can't remember a certain moment it was around the time when I started getting into philosophy and started to question all the things I thought I knew about the world its meaning and its facts,I started to get interested in the good and evil debate. I tried to think more deeply about why people do something and why there is much bad stuff out there at first I thought some people are just evil, but then I thought more deeply and realized that the so called evil people are sometimes born with a Brain incapable of empathy which can't be there fault so it can't be a choice so it can't be evil, then I started to think about history and that in many times like in Nazi Germany most people thought and did evil things but thought they did good , and Hitler who was for me the poster boy for evil had a dog and a family he apparently loved .My concept of good and evil totally collapsed after I saw the documentary child of rage here on youtube about a 6 year old girl who did very ,,evil,, things and it was found out she was abused , thankfully she found help, but I realties if she didn't got the help she needed she would grew up and kill and people would have called her evil but because she was a child in the video no one dared to .
@@Julia-2709 Oh I see. 😏
Is it absolutely good or absolutely evil for anyone in the world under any circumstances to rape 3 year old babies for fun?
@Jojo Jeux [thedukeofjuke] so it seems.... But from where does this objectivity come!!? In other words, where does the moral standard come from? Does it come from the people's unanimous agreement or.....??
Wanna experience the TRUE realm of absolute evil : Just find a narcissistic friend or some malevolent sociopath, psychopath. IF you survive.... let me know what you learned !!!!!! Oh... another thing : U wanna discuss evil and aren't mentioning any of these disorders ???? You should revalue the term 'study'.....
What are you even saying
@@reekerman1012 Aaaah... i kinda got frustrated for a second there by people often trying to explain the 'evil in people' ...or their 'dark side'. In reality not everyone is like that. Mostely narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, or people who were brainwashed by such individuals- are usually the ones who are quite destructive or even 'evil'.
So it's almost an exercise in futility to try and comprehend evil without taking in account these disorders.
@@alainvosselman9960I completely disagree. A disorder is something you don't choose to have. It's not someone's fault if they're a narcissist. They can't get rid of it. What's in our control is whether we do the best we can with what we have, and that applies to everyone, from the mightiest empath to the most sensitive narcissist. Normal people can absolutely be evil. Why do you think narcissists exist? It's because nobody cares about them. If nobody cared about you, how would that make you feel? Would you be able to go on as a normal human in society? I think not. The real evil ones are not those suffering, but those sitting comfortably and happily and causing suffering to others.
We can replace good vs evil with rationality vs irrationality.
You could be a good Christian man who goes to church every sunday but the truth is, society doesn't rely on "good" people to shape the modern world.
We're lost in the desert and you have a water bottle while I have a gun. Replacing good/evil with rationality/irrationality equals the justification for murder in that scenario.
sharing the water helps
I agree but you also have to admit carnivores exist for a logical reason and
So do predators
Amazing! This is one of my favorite talks so far.
I'm growing fond of whatever challenges my ego, 'cause it often ends up feeding my mind. :)
Amen! :)
Exactly like Nietzsche. People will never understand this, but as you understand, you can apply it to your life and get rid of suffering from pratice moral evaluation and become a idealist, because morality is a kind of idealism, and idealism is the same as say "no" to reality. Morality leeds to suffering.
Congratulations to make it clear.
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I believe you , but im afraid this individualistic perspective is also behind the economic and demographic decline of many western countries. Maybe you don't care at this point , but society needs some kind of propaganda , lie , or slave-mentality from its population in order to function (and it ussually comes in the form of morals), so in the end , these philosophies are good as long as we're not in danger.
Even if there is no morality, there will still be suffering whether u deny it or not, that's why u need to balance.
Hate leads to suffering
I was a fundamentalist Christian for 10 years. Over the last 2 years my beliefs have radically changed. I began to question 'sin' and 'wrong'...My own trail or logic has lead me to believe in something very similar to this - hence why im here trying to research it. For Christians and for people who believe in a specific kind of God ask yourself this question...If we are here to learn love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, patience and long suffering then do you think that could happen in a world without sin and evil? I do believe in a creator at this point of time and I do believe that this creator designed this world to have BOTH good and evil...I think our higher spiritual self needed to learn what it was like to be both victim and perpetrator in this realm to have an all encompassing understanding of life - from every angle.
fuck Christians, Cortana.
No there is no Creator, as We are creators and manipulators of genetic research. there is no higher spiritual self, and there is no knowledge.
We are creators, so why should there be a Creator in the hypocritical sense that they also create?
the Creator designed this world?!
Now that is crazy.
The ideas in this video are an assault on objectivity and the self. Most of what I have seen of your philosophy as presented on this channel is junk philosophy, rehashed from others with the same low quality of ideas.
The ideas you are presenting are evil, and you are responsible for communicating them on this channel. To the extent you continue this, you are evil.
This channel is an excellent example of someone who is a decent communicator of horrible, misery-inducing ideas.
- ADJ
Yes, it is an assault on the self. You are so wrapped up in ego and philosophy that you don't want to look deeper to see what's really going on. What I'm pointing you to is not philosophy, but reality itself, which cannot be captured in language or thought -- which is what you're trying to do. This doesn't work. I know you're passionate about Rand, but that's irrelevant. If you want to advance to the highest levels of your own development, you will have to come to grips with the spiritual truth of no-self. You will have drop your ego, because it is a fiction of your mind that is the root of everything that troubles you in your life. But this requires extreme openmindedness to see. This means you will have to admit fundamental errors in your world-view. Right now your mind is too closed to begin a proper self-investigation. I see this with a lot of advanced people in the personal development field: they are totally lost in theories. I encourage you open your mind completely, admit to yourself that you could be presently wrong, and to start researching what enlightenment is. This will help you see how your ego created the defensive comment posted above.
Don't worry, dropping Rand's philosophy, and all philosophy for that matter, will not rob you of anything, even though it seems like it will. It will actually super-charge your performance and enjoyment of life. Philosophies are simply security blankets for the ego's pleasure. You can discover this for yourself through careful self-investigation. Ask yourself why you work so hard to promote a philosophy. Look at the very root of it very honestly.
Actualized.org What you are trying to say is that reality is above reason; is above man. Reality is outside and above man's capacity for understanding. Reality is unknowable.
This has roots in the worst philosophers throughout history, whether or not you are even aware of the roots of your own thinking and ideas you've latched onto.
"no-self" is not true, it is false, and evil. It is clearly, openly, anti-self, anti-man, and anti-life on earth - a life which you share as a matter of identity.
"Extreme open mindedness" is clever rhetoric for anti-critical thinking. Accepting everything at the expense of any level of discerning judgement. This is anti-reason, even. This is open mindedness to the point that "your brain is falling out of your ears".
At this point, I'm not promoting a philosophy, I'm defending philosophy itself, man's fundamental understanding of existence and his relationship to it.
This will come off as harsh, because it is. You and the ideas presented on this channel are everything that is wrong with the self-development/self-help/self-actualization industry and movement. You are a perfect example of self-actualization divorced from a commitment to reason, logic, and reality.
- ADJ
The 21 Convention You are lost in beliefs, which have nothing to do with reality.
Reality actually is very knowable, but not through thought. Without ego, everything about realty is known. You are reality itself, so you can be it -- and this will answer all your questions about it. But you cannot turn reality into a philosophy.
This is a very tricky thing because your ego doesn't want you to see this. You have to be willing to admit that your beliefs could be entirely wrong.
Man's only tool for integrating any understanding of reality is his mind, his reason. What you are talking about is the obliteration of the mind for some neo-mystical self-contradictory guess work about the nature of reality.
This is really low quality thinking that I'm not even confident you understand the basic roots of and how persistently retarded these ideas have been throughout history.
- ADJ
The 21 Convention You are factually wrong. Mind is good, but mind is also limited. Reality is not really accessible to logic. What your logic does is create maps of reality and then it tells you that these maps are the territory, which they are not. And your logic further tells you that this is the best you can do, and that the territory itself is never directly accessible. But if you sit down and take the time to observe your consciousness, you will start to see the logic crumble and something very amazing take its place. The territory actually is directly accessible if you are willing to abandon the maps you've been creating your whole life. But you have to actually sit down and do this, not just theorize about it. That would be you creating another map. If you haven't taken the time to do this personally, then you are speaking about something you do not know.
What I'm pointing you to isn't an alternative theory or philosophy or belief system. It's a direct experience of raw reality without the filters of thought. This is not anything that you have presently experienced or can imagine. But it is real and it is very sobering. Take a look at someone like Ekhart Tolle. He is a man who has seen raw reality. There is no thought there. There is no philosophy. There is no need to fight or defend any cause. There are no questions. There are no contradictions. There are no problems. There is no self. And there certainly is no Ayn Rand. Rand's ideas are fun and they can light a fire under your ass, but they can only take you so far. Fundamentally, everything she said is wrong because everything she said assumed the existence of a self which does not actually exist. Rand didn't understand this herself because she was completely bought into her own thoughts, and you are now making the same mistake.
Rand's ideas were great for writing a novel because they create drama and struggle. All struggle is an ego-created need that is based on the false notion that you are a separate, autonomous entity that needs to survive and protect itself. But once you see that you are not actually this entity, the struggle becomes pointless. Watch out for how your mind tells you that your struggle is necessary for your well-being. That is the greatest ruse in its deep bag of tricks. If there's something that you should fight, it's you own sense of self. That is the only enemy. All the enemies you see out there are really a clever distraction created by your mind to keep your from looking inward. Because if you ever do turn inward for a long enough period of time, you will discover the sham that you are perpetuating on yourself. That is why the very idea of sitting down and looking inward and questioning your sense of self horrifies you. You don't even want to consider it. You reject it instantly. But ask yourself why. What is the mind afraid of? What could it be hiding?
I know this because I used to be like you are now, very dogmatic, very identified with my thoughts. You have to have the courage to start admitting that everything you think you know about life is fundamentally wrong. Deep down you know this already -- that's why your life is filled with sadness and fear and suffering -- but you don't want to admit it yet. The implications would be horrifying. Philosophies would have to crumble. But even as your mind reads this and objects, your mind can't hide the fact that living Rand's philosophy isn't working because it's false. Look at how much of your life has to be spent defending and struggling.
Evil is no more than a social construction.
You won't be saying that if you're the one suffering
The initiation of violence is morally wrong. I would not call it "evil" because of the religious implications of this concept. But initiating violence is morally wrong,unintelligent and ignorant.
That's just a story you tell yourself. Nothing absolutely true about it.
Michael Charles sometimes it fun to...
Evil is doing things with malice and knowing that it could harm someone
@@ActualizedOrgWhat you just said is legitimately scary.
For a person like me who does not believe in free will, this video makes total sense but as Leo did not mention the freewill argument i am not sure how a person who does believe in free will would stop believing in evil
Why dont you believe in free will? Elaborate?
Your video completely miss the point. It’s call polarity. Everything in this world has an opposite and neither is bad or good. There’s rich and poor, dark and light, left and right. Male or female. These are things that make up what we call life and we need both to survive. Without one we would not know the other. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just an experience. Killing is not bad, we kill bugs, plants, animals all the time. Police and military kill ppl for our “protection” and so on and so forth. A serial killer kills for fun, but all of it is killing. No one is more noble than the other. We are all guilty of this notion. It’s a part of life and society needs to just accept it instead of labeling it. Having ppl think they’re bad ppl when really they’re just living life like every other creature on earth.
When I think about the concept of good and evil I usually come up with hypothetical future scenarios of myself, being either good and evil and usually find that the reasoning behind said scenarios is complicated, not only that but I also find that I can trace the events taking place in these scenarios as inspired or culture prone, I then try to find a more objective view before continuing on with these scenarios, the places I end up at are quite fascinating and diverse, and usually makes everything around seem more abstract, and strange
Great video! Thanks! Can you make an episode about the delusion of free will? I think all problems of society come down to that. no free will -> moral? -> identity? -> happiness? etc.
Is it absolutely good or absolutely evil for anyone in the world under any circumstances to rape 3 year old babies for fun?
evil is human being and human being is created by evil because God will never allow this life to humans by killing them with death at the end..
I don't really like broccoli, however I wouldn't say it's evil lol
They are the devil!!!!
lol
No, the broccoli would simply be bad for YOU. Broccoli itself in general, is not good or bad. It simply IS. Good and Bad/Evil only work for each individual. You get it?
eddy how about murder?
@@eddy_music_log no but you will get it on the other side
so true. not sure if you're atheist or agnostic or whatever your stance on religion is but you've spoke from a very clear and direct perspective. Definitely subscribing to your channel. I wonder what your perspective is on spirituality and metaphysics.
Telling lies. Misleading. Harming yourself or others with intent. Those are undeniably evil acts. Evil is another word for unacceptably negative. A devil behaviour is evil by nature. Most adults should know this.
Because Evil is the natural state of the World and the Universe, and so it is not a separate concept from that of "Universe"
Food for thought. What if the ability to conceptualize of good and evil, was humanity's evolutionary 'hard-wiring' toward peaceful co-existence? ... Or at least some component of it.
i really enjoy this concept
as i watched this video, i also thought about sam harris' conversation on good vs evil
i managed to marry the two perspectives beautifully, in my opinion
we can agree that existence is neutral, and be radically honest about the subjectivity of everything, which would in turn protect us from that ego defense mechanism that led to the holocaust (according to leo)
simultaneously, we can agree that certain acts can be viewed as (subjective) evil in society, so as to facilitate peaceful co-existence. this means we are choosing to and agreeing on collectively giving meaning to murder/rape/torture as "evil" things, so as to allow all of humanity to thrive and work towards a greater "good" (which aligns with what same was saying)
Good and evil go beyond that. If someone is powerless and can't help or hurt you, helping them is still good and hurting them is still evil.
If I were being beaten up, tortured, or killed for no fault of mine I would have no doubt that evil was happening to me. If I did the same to someone else they would have the same conclusion. Of course intention comes into the equation. Errors of thinking and belief can lead to actions which are harmful,hurtful and thus evil. Not absolutely, but generally speaking I would say in most cases, pleasure is good and pain is the result of evil. This idea of there being no good or evil makes little sense. Between pain and pleasure, I would not be neutral, I would prefer always, for myself and others.
Meaningless video with many contradictions
Why is that?
Evil exist, this video proves it.
How?
An open mind = agreement with the speaker
And if you disagree with anything I'm saying, you're automatically closed minded? Who determines what an open mind? The person who's trying to sell you something.
ok if you are saying evil and good are subjective, if the majority of people say stealing is good, does that make stealing good?
Based on the comments here its obvious that so many people commenting here did not even take the time to understand what is being said here.
Cole Masiuk Well explain the video as you understand it.
Any society needs to negotiate good and evil in order to function well. Every society has and needs shared values. That's part of what society is...
I love you. You just calmed me down. And start anew from my shame anxiety.
Evil is good, Good is evil , all is well,there is NEITHER. Truth? Lie? VERY important to "understand" the difference. The consequences are enormous
please speak further
you're dead wrong
Mind telling your truth? I'm interested.
@@lila7067 There is no such thing as your truth. There is The truth and Your opinion.
@@carlosatreides5653 I am a professional gambler, i bet 5.000$ that you saw a video of Richard Dawkins getting interviewed and being told " it is truth for me ". And then Richard replied, "truth for you?" there is no sucha thing. You saw that video inside the last 2 months, if yes, give me 5.000$, if not, give me your card and i will put 10.000$ in it. Waiting for your answer.
@@masticloxpoker1006 Wrong. That's something I've known for years since I believe in objective reality
@@carlosatreides5653 Scientifically objective or ultimately? because we can not know ultimately objective reality by defintion.
"Good is simply what you prefer, Evil is simply what you don't Prefer in Life" - A Wise. Bald. Man
Good is what you prefer, says Hiter, Stalin, rapists and murderers, and I guess all the people who stopped them were doing evil. Kind of backwards
@@ceceroxy2227 subjectivism bro
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 it's still backwards logic, because isn't that how we define "evil"? acts like murder r*pe etc... so if you call that Good you are flipping the language on its head.
Donating to charity isn't fun. Being vegan isn't fun. Being a friend to outcasts isn't fun. Getting out of bed to help a stranger out of a crashed car isn't fun. My life would be a lot more comfortable if I didn't do those things. Yet I do them anyway, because good won the battle for my heart.
"It's just murder all of gods creatures do it"
For those who don't understand
We have animals. Many animals that eat that eat their own children
It's nature
We created status so of course we think that the death of one is greater than the death of many but we every single one of us is no different from the greats.
Those that argue some are smarter than others. We created that. Those that contribute the most to mans laws are of course are going to get the recognition they get because why? They delved into the meta of whatever they research or where passionate about and it aided the biggest social powerhouse.
That's it.
There is no good or evil just mans laws..
We are just animals aware of how smart we are.. that's it..
HELL YEAH love this comment. thats how i see humans.
Facts
If we do not know the difference between good and evil, we can find ourselves justifying what is wicked and condemning what is righteous.
More wickedness has been done in the name of good than anything else. If you live life consciously, you will do no evil, and no one will ever need to give you an instruction manual on proper behavior. And you will not require any notion of good or evil to do this.
the act itself is evil that is done in the name of goodness this changes not you even call it that it is evil
diego charlin What is this but your thought saying so? Take a close look. What is all this but arbitrary mental labeling?
Actualized.org the same apply to your own argument . .
André Juthe It you try to turn it into a dogma, then yes. This is something you must see, not theorize about.
You are right, we always want others to think just as we do
So true. I wonder why?
RelatedGiraffe Increases ego. Your entire life is just a series of actions to increase and defend a false sense of "you".
@@RelatedGiraffe I think it's to feel like our beliefs matter, be it political, social or even what flavors you like in your food.
Being harmful to society and being "evil" are two different things. We can evaluate the harm, but the morality is a subjective interpretation of reality.
Reality is neutral. Reality is perfect.
Thanks Leo
Reality isn't perfect, and the world isn't perfect. Sorry.
Snow Steiner says who? You?
Good and evil are human concepts we use to explain or describe an intention, they only exist as part of language and in our minds and thoughts. Abstractly evil and good actually describe a process of development from once stage to another, Evil to good, ignorance to knowledge, chaos to tranquillity, destruction to creation. low frequency to higher frequency. They also suggest that you can either stagnate and refused to grow or elevate and refuse to remain the same. There is a big difference between trying to appear or sound clever and actually being clever, one is ego driven the other is intelligence driven. Which are you?
Exactly, you are spot on with this.
Read the Bible if you want truth. There is good and evil in the world because there are angels of light and angels of darkness in the world. We see evidence of good and evil continually.
EVIL is the destruction of evil and might not be real in ultimate reality but is certainly real in this one
I've thought about this a lot. I think that bad intentions are the definition of evil and like you say, you can't be certain of someone's intentions but I also say you can of your own. And you still have to trust your intuition and watch out for evil and deep deep manipulation because some people are highly intelligent and if they've been born a psychopath or traumatized enough to become one. Life is rigged, but I'd still avoid them.
If you avoid someone who's traumatized, you contribute to their isolation and suffering. That makes you evil.
@@DawnshieId no, it really doesn't lol. Because I care about my friends first, and they want be to be safe, so I never would take a stupid risk and that's obviously not evil.
@@DawnshieId that's a really trapping headspace which if you followed we'd all be submissive to bad people who manipulate us because being good requires the freedom to be good or bad. So to go back on what I said we are evil from birth m8. I'm a pro at morality stuff. What a flex. I've studied and thought about it since i was young, I'm like a fucking black hole these days. Solid. Got multiple answers for every trapping question all based on lovely logic
@@DawnshieId calling yourself or anyone evil in the first place. Most of the time will just make you or them feel insecure, which usually won't result in positive action. so if you really care about isolated people. Start by thinking about what you class as evil, because there's billions of people in the world and making statements that good people avoiding traumatized people who they don't have the skill to help. Is a bad place to start when using the word evil bud bud.
@@hugojj101 Fitting in and being an insider doesn't make you good. Caring about your friends first is loyal if they really need your help, but it's selfish if you just want to maintain those bonds at the cost of strangers' well-being. You sound a lot like you're the latter. Selfish loyalty, not genuine loyalty. And most of all, it's not stupid to care for a fellow human who is just as important as you and needs to be included by ordinary people like you. You can set healthy boundaries while still being there for him. You sound like someone who very much behaves like a social bee, always following the hive. That's evil, not good, because it's done out of fear and a desire to climb the ladder, rather than love and a desire to lift others up the ladder.
This guy obviously has no idea what morality is. First mistake, to think that the difference between good and evil is about preference, like what flavor ice cream you like or what color shirt you want to wear. Second mistake, he thinks that good and evil are whats in your own individual subjective mind. First answer. morality is not about the individual human but about the relations between humans. Secondly it s not about preference but about the effect that your actions have on other.
Not understanding this simple concepts leads him to think Hitler and Churchill were the same or that Israel and Palestine is about preferences! Or that there is no difference between murder and self defense. The only thing he gets some semblance of right is about the lions, the bees and the ants. Yes the lions have morality by the way. They depend on it for their survival. They cooperate in hunts, they raise their cubs and they maintain a hierarchy. No, at the end of the day this guy does not know what morality even is.
Take a very good close look at this thing you call morality. What is its existential nature? Morality is a thought in your mind. That is the whole of it. Without this thought, there is no morality. There is just behavior and reality -- all of which is devoid of meaning and entirely neutral. Morality is just a voice in your head that says things about reality. It's like commentary during a football game. It's just words.
@@ActualizedOrg but there is, sorry
So serial killers aren’t evil?
@LaRon Chandler No. You're confusing evil for cruelty. Cruelty, the act of inflicting pain on another is a fact, much like how compassion is a fact. Many people often conflate compassion and cruelty with good and evil respectively, and that is a fundamentally flawed argument. Good and evil are about rather are not we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be compassionate and/or cruel. Pointing to the most extreme case of cruelty, for aforementioned reasons, is a very weak argument. Because then the argument turns to the question of "Is cruelty evil?", and that answer quickly becomes arbitrary whenever cases of self defense arise. It's a bottomless rabbit hole.
Not a chance
If there is no meaning, your video is meaningless, then you haven't actually said anything, and therefore you have removed from everyone watching any reason to take this view seriously.
On this view, the entire video was a preformative contradiction, that is to say, you are discussing something you believe reflects reality in a universal way, and not something your mind merely made up because you are asserting that this view is universally true, set against the proposition that good and evil actually do exist.
This view asserts a universal truth, good and evil are directly related to truth, therefore by making your universal assertion you self refute this entire world view.
Relativism doesn't work brother. This has been established, even by atheists, ages ago. I recommend Stephans Universally preferable behaviour if you prefer an atheists approach to this issue.
When someone says that evil does not exist, I remind them that rape and murder exists. We use the word 'evil' to describe them, because they do great unnecessary harm. Rape and murder are evils that we ought to fight, if we care about others.
What a load of bull.... Good and Evil is what we prefer ??? Well what an indepth investigation i must say
doesn't need an investigation. rational thought will tell you this. people have this ego driven need to be better than others, pretty obvious. if you can separate the ones that don't agree with your perspective it makes you feel better than them, allows you to judge them... jump on twitter and read political/religious arguments...it speaks for itself. ethics and morals are the result of commonalities in perspective. nothing more, nothing less.
@@EgoBruiser I don't understand since everything is just perspective, does that mean there is no such thing as a universal truth? If judgment of something right or wrong doesn't exist how can I trust your judgment on anything, since your perspective is merely one you created on your own and doesn't really exist?
@@jeff330 who said it doesn't exist? judgement of something comes from your personal views/perspective... we create the right/wrong. not sure how universal truth came into this. to each man his own truth. evidence of something being one way or another does not make them right/wrong/etc... we label them as such.
@@EgoBruiser Universal truth is brought up because I feel it's a real thing and that a human can perceive it. I get the feeling you're implying that because a human makes an assumption based on its perception that's it's undoubtedly wrong. I could be mistaken but that is my impression, and honestly that would be you using your human judgment so it's rather confusing.
@@jeff330 ummm you're not getting it. how could i be implying people are just wrong if i'm saying that right/wrong are concepts made up by us? right/wrong only exists in our heads... so no i am not implying this.
some good points, that's why there are laws, to differentiate if someones done something good or done something bad. In reality there is good and evil, but only in the course of peoples actions. Killing someone in self defence is not good but is defence but murdering someone is bad.
and so... with all the videos of yours i have watched, i have always had a sting of uncertainty as it pertains to your knowledge. to your truth. until now, i know why i have had red flags drawn up. saying there is no evil and that all is good is denying the fact that there is an absolute or actualization of anything. also, it shows that you you are dismissive in that reality alone simply because it feels better. its easier to say evil doesnt exist then to actually explore it. if you truly have applied oneness to the universe you will know that being polarized (meaning exploring the darkness to better appreciate and understand the light) will completely debunk this here point of this video. the real ego swollen opinion is yours leo. you seem to be a great person, but in this video, the information is just...wrong. in its entirety. please search for your soul. it is not lost completely yet. #shalom
also, how os karma even a mention if there is no evil lol.
Thx
I think he is doing Oneness in his own kinda way.
And i am floored that you made a judgement on his soul.
Bro..What planet where you born on?
Your being judgemental. Just an idea. 😂
I like this concept but I'm struggling with a few things here. Like, are you comfortable with labeling someone a bad or good person or do those labels just not exist with this philosophy? Are people just neutral?
He talked about how the universe is neutral (which I personally believe to be true), however he just sort of transferred the neutrality to humans which I believe to be wrong because he discredited what humanity has determined as moral because we have evolved that way, but there is intelligent design in the universe which actually gives credit from God who oversaw the growth of the human race meaning God oversaw the moral evolution of mankind . I did a terrible job of explaining that but I hope I helped you a little bit.
Leo I'm a big fan, but I have to disagree with you here. What you are espousing sounds an awful like a form of moral relativism.
I agree that many if not most things that are considered good and evil are subjective and socially conditioned. However, at the extremes there is definitely evil.
For example Hitler whatever his motives was responsible for slaughtering millions of people. This includes throwing babies into ovens. Those were horrific evil acts. The fact that factory farming exists does not change that what Hitler did was evil.
I would argue that factory farming is evil as well. The way animals are slaughtered and tortured on a mass scale of millions is reprehensible.
We can't prove whether there is some kind higher power that is responsible for our existence or consciousness, but the fact that we have a moral compass and our brains are wired for morality could be due to that.
By what objective criterion do you propose we call Hitler evil? No such criterion exists if you look for one honestly. What's really happening here is that you're trying to impose your ego on the world.
Morality is a human invention. Moreover, an egoic invention.
How about this objective criteria: Murdering and torturing innocent people.
I may be wrong, but whether ego is involved or not is beside the point. Ego is usually but not always bad.
Lec The USA murders and tortures innocent people, as does pretty much every country, so this makes every president of every country evil as well.
But more to the point, your criteria begs the question, because you then need a further criteria for why murdering and torturing people is evil. This is not at all an obvious matter. Why is murdering and torturing not seen as just a physical action you personally happen to dislike? Isn't this what you really mean when you call someone evil? You personally dislike them. After all, ants don't care whether human beings are killed. From an ant's perspective, there's no reason to assert Hitler is evil. In fact it could be the opposite. Maybe human beings are hurting the planet and encroaching on other species? Why would the perspective of one species out of millions of others be objectively more valid? Sounds very egotistical. Moreover, even your capacity to call things "evil" is a human-specific thing. To all the other billions of organisms living on the planet, "evil" isn't even a valid concept.
Ego being involved is very much the point. The only reason you feel a need to call others evil is because it makes you feel superior and reinforces your particular worldview, making you feel more secure.
There are huge differences in degree and intent when it comes to world leaders and the crimes they have committed. How can you say that someone like Bush or Obama who are admittedly responsible for 1000s of deaths are the same as leaders such as Hitler and Stalin who are responsible for 10s of millions of deaths?
American presidents are not Angels but for the most part in history apart from dropping the H bomb on Japan or carpet bombing Dresden, American presidents have at least tried to minimize loss of life in conflicts. It can't completely be prevented in wars, at least
some of which were waged by us in self defense.
There is also being forced to kill to preserve life and and actively/purposefully seeking to kill as many opponents as possible who disagree with your world view like Bin Laden, Hitler and Stalin did. Both may be technically wrong but the exponential difference in degree purpose and intent matters. We're talking about killing to defend basic human rights and civil liberties that we are using in this discussion versus killing to enslave and subjugate to totalitarian systems were guys like you and me would be the first to be killed for expressing out views.
I agree that human beings kill many species
on a mass scale and that wrong and evil as well.
Also other organisms don't massacre their own kind or other species on the gargantuan scale that human beings do. I believe that it is an evil characteristic of humanity, that hopefully with technological innovation and evolution of consciousness will eventually stop.
Other than on this issue I believe you and people like Owen Cook and Tony Robbins are helping to improve human consciousness.
Leo thank you for posting all these great videos and opening my mind to the truth and these great concepts everyday! Everything you say just makes so much sense. Its funny how by reading some of the comments people were posting below you notice that they are still trying to convince each orher who's right and who's wrong even after listeing to this video. The subconcious mind and how it affects you is trully a powerfull thing!!
Mah Sa Do not be decieved. God will punish the wicked. Good and evil exist. So if someone murdered your family in front of you wouldn't you think that is evil? Of course it would be evil murder is wickedness.
@@chrisyuwdah for most of human history we went around murdering each other does that mean all of humanity before our current culture was evil no that would be ridiculous we just are certain culture with certain beliefs and we hate Predators as one of our main ones so anything that is predatory we act as if it’s evil