@@jaysondoster9729 Clarkson you moron you've destroyed the Hillclimb car and to prove what "wind matters" now we have a massive bill and can't do the rest of the show.
Funny How you say Games. BeamNG Drive was created for science and crash test and other experimental stuff. But they released it to the public. It is still in Alpha.
@Sinned Gnillubnot "science isn't something you observe, it's something you practice"... Guess I have to practice planets and stars and yeah, practice forces and energy too...
I honestly love the fact that this can all be tested in BeamNG because it's that close to realism that you can see real world physics effects in the game. So freaking awesome
Ive been a skateboarder my whole life and I love how it teaches you about physics and science and how a slight change in path or speed or weight can drastically change the outcome of a jump or flip. This reminded me of that.
Pinewood Derby track design have changed a bit over the years and it demonstrated some of this phenomenon. In the '60s they started out steeper and leveled off about 1/2 way. As a Cub Scout I had a car that was very underweight, but had very little friction in the axles. It would be behind at the end of the slope, and then pass the heavier cars on the flat, as it lost speed much less than the heavier cars did. As I got older and had children, and an engineering degree, I did the complete MgH=1/2Mv² calculations (including the wheel inertial energy) to determine where to put the center of gravity. Fun times.
to do this properly scientifically he would have to have had the red cars in parallel, so they were both pulling only the SUV, now the front car was pulling both the SUV and the other red car
It's mostly due to traction. The SUV is likely to have wider tyres and even if they aren't, the SUV puts all of its weight on driven tyres whilst the 200BXs put some of their weight on unpowered tyres. Whilst torque does play a role, once your tyres start slipping all the torque in the world won't save you
It would also have been more "equal" if the vehicle of choice was a RWD SBR4 because it's rear engined. So the majority of the weight is on the driven wheels. OR any FWD car in reverse.
Red had the seccond best initial acceleration, so while the others where still building it, red was already rolling. The problem with the one with highest acceleration was the bump that killed every possibility to win.
I'd really like to see how accurate the aero is in this compared to like a professional flow simulation software. See if it's generally accurate ad well as how accurate it is locally (basically as you get closer and closer to the body of the car.
Im pretty sure beamng doesnt simulate airflow, just thinks of a wing as any body feature, exept it "simulates" its surface area and angle to get downforce. Removin headlights, bumpers and so on have no effect on aerodynamics sadly
@@AndreBrah that's what's great about beamng. It does simulate these things. If your car doesn't have a windshield, for example, it will be slowrr do to the increased drag from the interior.
Just curious because i didn't see you to over it in the last test, do the two rwd cars have the same tires and tire size as the awd car? And is the torque half as well as the hp? Also, does the torque curve match?
@@novathepug6692 weight transfer isnt even a factor. Sitting still, the red cars have literally half the traction per drive wheel of the SUV, because while both has 4 drive wheels, the red cars have 4 rollers that take half of their weight. For the SUV any weight transfer would be transfering from one drive wheel to another, so its total traction would remain the same. For the red cars, weight transfer would slightly improve their traction, as the tug of war would shift SOME of their inertia to the back, but it would need to transfer literally ALL of their weight to even match the SUV. Given all 8 wheels were firmly planted, thats obviously not happening. It also straight up wouldnt happen at all with the red car in the back, cuz any weight transfer from tugging the chain would be canceled out by the car in front tugging on IT. Even if the red car in front was doing a wheelie, that would only give the red cars 75% of the traction of the SUV (because as mentioned, the weight transfer of the rear car cancels out)
I thought for sure the two red cars would win, but thinking about it some more the SUV had double the power but not double the wheels. I think what made the difference was that there was more weight per driven wheel so more grip.
That makes a lot of sense. Perhaps if the drive wheels were located in the center of their respective cars rather than the rear, it would have been more even.
The red one makes sense, as it is very logrithmic with a fast drop, but then smooth transition to the change in direction. The sudden change in direction is what ruins the blue ramp. Interesting to see yellow,s performance with full throttle - I suspect it is the vehicle drivetrain/gearing that is to play there, and using different vehicles may change that outcome. I can spend hours fooling around in BeamNG tehehe, never gets old. Awesome video as always!
Having the cars use their own power in addition to gravity is similar to rotating the whole setup more steeply. In that configuration, the new brachistocrone is closer to yellow, and the old red curve is unnecessarily deep.
Do you have any mods youve released? From the stuff Ive seen on your channel I would expect you could make some amazing Scenario Mods as well as your specialized Map Mods. If not, please make some!!!
When you went to full throttle, I assumed yellow would win. Gravity is still the dominant factor, especially because shifting times fuck up your acceleration when boosted this much by gravity, but the yellow car has the second best assistance from gravity while having a more gradual slope allowing it to put down more power and push itself farther. I assume the red vehicle was mostly limited by shifting times and 2nd most limited by traction due to following such a perfect curve.
how smooth were those curves in the beginning? i noticed from the first person perspective the brachistochrone ramp seemed a little bit bumpy which could definitely cause enough speed loss to lose by about a foot. because in theory at least (meaning if there was no friction) you have the force of gravity and if each object now has an added force with the forces being identical (because they are the same car) the vehicle that won with no added force should win with the added force
Not necessarily, because the roads do not have the same length. So, let's say we ditch gravity and only use their motors. The green car would be fastest, then the yellow one, then maybe blue and only then red. Now adding 1% of gravity's pull, the result would barely change. Then 5%, you'd see changes but not enough to turn it around. Then a bit more and a bit more, until you reach a point where the red and yellow car basically go equally fast.
No,.vole, v ty tvý bublině vždycky vyhraješ jenom ty :D :D :D Hlavně se nenech vyrušovat z těch svejch představ o "realitě" :D Všechno je přesně tak, jak sis to vymyslel :D :D
The SUV won the last one because it has higher ground pressure. Think about it, 2400kg with 4 tires is 600kg per tire. 2400kg with 8 tires is 300kg per tire. This means that the SUV would have greater downwards pressure (and therefore better traction). You can see how the 200bx tires are slipping because they can’t get as much grip.
The test with one suv vs two cars is easy to explain. The weight of two cars is split over 8 wheels so the amount of weight on each wheel is less and therefore easier to break inertia.
hey, the jump test at 3:22 kinda reminds me of some ridiculous shit that happened in a car throwing competition hosted by Spanish RUclipsr BIlly Cherokee. It was exactly on this map. Someone managed to make a car that produced so much lift, the car almost flew out of the goddamn map. If I remember correctly that guy won a PS5 or something, so props to them if that wasn't enough, this year someone managed to actually FLY A CAR OIT OF THE MAP. Hilarious.
It happened to be faster because of gravity. The more vertical the angle, the gravity pull force be much bigger, and it helps to accelerate the object faster. Remove the gravity, and do it again with the same line graphic, object with the shortest line tend to be the number one to finish the race. (Yeah without gravity, the car wouldn't be able to move in the road. So TEST #2 need to change the object with airplane or space shuttle instead)
*_Tonight:_*
I send some SUVs down some curves
James sends a hillclimb car down a ramp
And Richard tries to pull an SUV with 2 200BXs.
I can hear it in his voice. lol
@@jaysondoster9729 Clarkson you moron you've destroyed the Hillclimb car and to prove what "wind matters" now we have a massive bill and can't do the rest of the show.
before or after conversation street
@@machplays7513 I thought conversation street was The grand tour only
@@huabur It was only on the grand tour, top gear had The News
It's so fun pals, just to see how science is something great to observe, even in games
Funny How you say Games. BeamNG Drive was created for science and crash test and other experimental stuff. But they released it to the public. It is still in Alpha.
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@Sinned Gnillubnot "science isn't something you observe, it's something you practice"... Guess I have to practice planets and stars and yeah, practice forces and energy too...
Watching the front winds stop the car at 32 meters and then push jt baxk in an instant was next-level hilarious and anticlimactic 🤣
Ah yes *jt*
@@BL95K *jt baxk*
4:25 either the wind or turbo makes the old school "falling whistle" sound perfectly....even times up to the crash
I think its a supercharger but you are correct it is perfect
It's the supercharger AND the transmission.
@@takomusic1 nah it's only the transmission. that's the sound of a transmission with straight cut gears
Yep I know, just realised that in beamng turbochargers and superchargers only make sound when you are reving up the engine.
slide whistle?
I honestly love the fact that this can all be tested in BeamNG because it's that close to realism that you can see real world physics effects in the game. So freaking awesome
this experiment would work even in flappy bird though
@@shortcato
Remember Pals: The difference between science and smashing cars is writing it down.
Brachistochrone curves have always fascinated me! Well done. Funny AND interesting. Science, bitches! 😂👍
Yeah science!!
@@hotmojoe2483 yeah, bitch! Magnets!
Was one of these ramps actually a brachistochrone??
Soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew the answer. Thanks to micheal Stevens (v sauce)
@@Laserfish17 yes, but not the most useful part of it. Brachistochrone is the fastest up to it’s flat part, and it continued beyond it.
I feel smarter watching this. The damages are so realistic
Why are you everywhere on yt?
Brain damage
I think that game was made for that exact purpose
@@WhatOnEarthh And so you are?
Hey dhar man fam
"If you're ever gonna drive your car off a mountain, make sure the wind's blowing from the back." -Car Pal 2022
That definitely was great advice that I've written down
gives ample time to crap your pants.
Ive been a skateboarder my whole life and I love how it teaches you about physics and science and how a slight change in path or speed or weight can drastically change the outcome of a jump or flip. This reminded me of that.
Time to show this video in a science fair
Pinewood Derby track design have changed a bit over the years and it demonstrated some of this phenomenon. In the '60s they started out steeper and leveled off about 1/2 way. As a Cub Scout I had a car that was very underweight, but had very little friction in the axles. It would be behind at the end of the slope, and then pass the heavier cars on the flat, as it lost speed much less than the heavier cars did.
As I got older and had children, and an engineering degree, I did the complete MgH=1/2Mv² calculations (including the wheel inertial energy) to determine where to put the center of gravity.
Fun times.
The tug of war experiment is down to torque though isn't it?
Yes and no, it's mainly traction. You can see that the tires of the smaller cars are spinning instead of gripping to the ground.
to do this properly scientifically he would have to have had the red cars in parallel, so they were both pulling only the SUV, now the front car was pulling both the SUV and the other red car
It's mostly due to traction. The SUV is likely to have wider tyres and even if they aren't, the SUV puts all of its weight on driven tyres whilst the 200BXs put some of their weight on unpowered tyres. Whilst torque does play a role, once your tyres start slipping all the torque in the world won't save you
It would also have been more "equal" if the vehicle of choice was a RWD SBR4 because it's rear engined. So the majority of the weight is on the driven wheels. OR any FWD car in reverse.
@@RickZanardi sounds like he's going to have to revisit this
Red had the seccond best initial acceleration, so while the others where still building it, red was already rolling. The problem with the one with highest acceleration was the bump that killed every possibility to win.
I'd really like to see how accurate the aero is in this compared to like a professional flow simulation software. See if it's generally accurate ad well as how accurate it is locally (basically as you get closer and closer to the body of the car.
Im pretty sure beamng doesnt simulate airflow, just thinks of a wing as any body feature, exept it "simulates" its surface area and angle to get downforce. Removin headlights, bumpers and so on have no effect on aerodynamics sadly
@@AndreBrah do you like burgers?
@@AndreBrah Yeah those were 750kph winds, that's like 250kph faster winds than an F5 tornado. That car would have been blown into next year.
@@MidwestFarmToys maybe it doesn’t model it but emulates it
@@AndreBrah that's what's great about beamng. It does simulate these things. If your car doesn't have a windshield, for example, it will be slowrr do to the increased drag from the interior.
aerodynamic experiments are so cool in beamng, i love how cars can fly
That's why we fly planes AGAINST winds, to give us LIFT! Great video, pal!
Just curious because i didn't see you to over it in the last test, do the two rwd cars have the same tires and tire size as the awd car? And is the torque half as well as the hp? Also, does the torque curve match?
Yeah, they shoulda been the same lol
AWD car has all of its power into driven wheels, more traction
2 RWD cars have less of their total weight on the driven wheels
@@marcfisher1 you're somewhat right but weight transfer makes things more complicated
@@novathepug6692 weight transfer isnt even a factor. Sitting still, the red cars have literally half the traction per drive wheel of the SUV, because while both has 4 drive wheels, the red cars have 4 rollers that take half of their weight. For the SUV any weight transfer would be transfering from one drive wheel to another, so its total traction would remain the same. For the red cars, weight transfer would slightly improve their traction, as the tug of war would shift SOME of their inertia to the back, but it would need to transfer literally ALL of their weight to even match the SUV. Given all 8 wheels were firmly planted, thats obviously not happening. It also straight up wouldnt happen at all with the red car in the back, cuz any weight transfer from tugging the chain would be canceled out by the car in front tugging on IT. Even if the red car in front was doing a wheelie, that would only give the red cars 75% of the traction of the SUV (because as mentioned, the weight transfer of the rear car cancels out)
I thought for sure the two red cars would win, but thinking about it some more the SUV had double the power but not double the wheels. I think what made the difference was that there was more weight per driven wheel so more grip.
That makes a lot of sense. Perhaps if the drive wheels were located in the center of their respective cars rather than the rear, it would have been more even.
The only thing that mattered in the end that SUV had all of its weight on driven wheels, while the cars had only half.
Yup, it's all about traction. There are Videos of ATV winning tug of war against cars with much more power.
Always cool friends, good luck with your Videos
0:48 this killed me, physics is so unexpectedly violent for no reason
That "Go" sound clip gave me chills I haven't played that game in years man 😂
Love the SSX "GO" Sound ❤❤ Nice video
Nothing but the usual car pal playing smashketcar
Nice, a return to the science experiments. I missed them, the first video I ever saw from this channel was the wind-propelled acceleration one
This video was just fun all over. Well done, Pal! 😆 🤣 😂
In the jump test, it would be interesting to see what a reasonable headwind would do. Here the wind was just too strong to allow the car to fly
I'd like to see what a medium crosswind would do to the trajectory.
Cal Pal: All of these are confucted safely
Government: good
Cal Pal: Ehehehehee *Has been using real humans disguised as test dummies*
The red one makes sense, as it is very logrithmic with a fast drop, but then smooth transition to the change in direction. The sudden change in direction is what ruins the blue ramp. Interesting to see yellow,s performance with full throttle - I suspect it is the vehicle drivetrain/gearing that is to play there, and using different vehicles may change that outcome. I can spend hours fooling around in BeamNG tehehe, never gets old. Awesome video as always!
Having the cars use their own power in addition to gravity is similar to rotating the whole setup more steeply. In that configuration, the new brachistocrone is closer to yellow, and the old red curve is unnecessarily deep.
Automative engineering must be really tough. Didn't know there this much factors to consider in making cars.
"And if you ever want to be a life guard, don't be sitting at that post!"
The post: 4:34
BeamNG Science is what this should be called
That last one was way more one-sided than I expected.
The last challenge, the SUV is the clear winner not just because of engine performance, but also AWD. Anyway, great video as always.
Yeah nothing beats torque on 4 wheels
Come across this video completely unintentionally. Wow, keep up the awesome work!
Do you have any mods youve released? From the stuff Ive seen on your channel I would expect you could make some amazing Scenario Mods as well as your specialized Map Mods. If not, please make some!!!
I click on this guy's videos too much, now I've got Car Pal tunnel syndrome!
Love it, the curves bit has me tripping
If all science was beam ng i would love it. Awesome vid!
I just randomly started watching ur videos and i love them 😂
0:23
Seeing that after just finishing deep learning course kinda reminds me of something tough
“Let’s get blowing! (That’s what she said.)” - Car Pal
When you went to full throttle, I assumed yellow would win. Gravity is still the dominant factor, especially because shifting times fuck up your acceleration when boosted this much by gravity, but the yellow car has the second best assistance from gravity while having a more gradual slope allowing it to put down more power and push itself farther. I assume the red vehicle was mostly limited by shifting times and 2nd most limited by traction due to following such a perfect curve.
Me watching this at 1 am when I have work today: I don't need sleep! I need answers!
4:07
He didn’t get anywhere. What is it!? His life!?
Haha yeah! I was on yellow but wen I saw reds jump i lost hope
First Video I’ve ever seen popped on recommended can def say well worth the watch
2 of my favorite things
notif gang!
*i did guess red! awesome :)
I want to see full video about Car Pal Space Program
The cars get an instant car wash the moment they finish 😂😂😂
LOL, red is the only one wih a brachistocrone curve shape, so yeah.👍🏻✌🏻
The use of that ssx tricky "go!" sound gave me nostalgia lol
i felt my brain get bigger after watching this
Thank you for the SSX "go" sound, instant nostalgia
jokes on you, I learned about the brachistochrone on Vsauce
He’s giving us free science lessons
Fun to watch😂 What software is this?
Man we really do be missing out Steve and George
Yeah where are they
The video stopped at the right time where you dropped the 4 cars
love your creativity man ..cool videos.. ❤️💖🎆🌙🔥
the crash is the best moment effect , hard to find that effect in game ,awesome
The video is great👍 I would like to see more police car crashes
how smooth were those curves in the beginning? i noticed from the first person perspective the brachistochrone ramp seemed a little bit bumpy which could definitely cause enough speed loss to lose by about a foot. because in theory at least (meaning if there was no friction) you have the force of gravity and if each object now has an added force with the forces being identical (because they are the same car) the vehicle that won with no added force should win with the added force
Not necessarily, because the roads do not have the same length.
So, let's say we ditch gravity and only use their motors.
The green car would be fastest, then the yellow one, then maybe blue and only then red.
Now adding 1% of gravity's pull, the result would barely change. Then 5%, you'd see changes but not enough to turn it around. Then a bit more and a bit more, until you reach a point where the red and yellow car basically go equally fast.
Hear me out:
A Car Pal and Squid Game collaboration.
That "Go" from SSX, tho...
“Let’s start blowing!” Lol same
No,.vole, v ty tvý bublině vždycky vyhraješ jenom ty :D :D :D
Hlavně se nenech vyrušovat z těch svejch představ o "realitě" :D Všechno je přesně tak, jak sis to vymyslel :D :D
“Sorry, Your car is too heavy to fly.”
The SUV won the last one because it has higher ground pressure.
Think about it, 2400kg with 4 tires is 600kg per tire.
2400kg with 8 tires is 300kg per tire.
This means that the SUV would have greater downwards pressure (and therefore better traction). You can see how the 200bx tires are slipping because they can’t get as much grip.
The physics model must be so good for you to be able to showcase real phenomena.
I NEED MORE SCIENCE!!
Oh and thanks for the "Hard Drivn'" memories.
2:30 time attack ford focus sedan 🤣🤣
I feel weirdly happy to see the broken cars landed on the water. It kinda calms me.
"A scratch free landing" 😭 😭
A quality episode!
Need for speed vs real life 😂
Lol I saw the thumbnail and instantly knew, Brachistochrone! I watch a lot of vsauce and I think he would appreciate this video :)
the ssx tricky "GO!" sound effect gave me flashbacks to my childhood
Last experiment try it with the two cars being one front wheel drive and the other rear
very fun, i love your videos keep up the good work
Bill Nye The Science Guy
😮Bill
Very cool episode, I'm 35, my son is 7, we both enjoy these, thanks!
The damage simulation is on point
It was cool and instructive 😀
" *No drivers were harmed during the process of making this video* ".
Hey carpal, do you have a link to the Modded gridmap?
The test with one suv vs two cars is easy to explain. The weight of two cars is split over 8 wheels so the amount of weight on each wheel is less and therefore easier to break inertia.
Quite impressive to see those things get blown away.
Thanks to the Spider Man 2 movie i knew that fact 😅😂
I learned something new today. I learned what spoilers actually do to a car.
Hell yes, taking the principle of least action to the masses
Fast & Furious: Science of driving 🤣
hey, the jump test at 3:22 kinda reminds me of some ridiculous shit that happened in a car throwing competition hosted by Spanish RUclipsr BIlly Cherokee. It was exactly on this map.
Someone managed to make a car that produced so much lift, the car almost flew out of the goddamn map.
If I remember correctly that guy won a PS5 or something, so props to them
if that wasn't enough, this year someone managed to actually FLY A CAR OIT OF THE MAP. Hilarious.
The red car, commenting before watching
Nice
1:34 LMAO
Wow . Suddenly like science
It happened to be faster because of gravity. The more vertical the angle, the gravity pull force be much bigger, and it helps to accelerate the object faster.
Remove the gravity, and do it again with the same line graphic, object with the shortest line tend to be the number one to finish the race.
(Yeah without gravity, the car wouldn't be able to move in the road. So TEST #2 need to change the object with airplane or space shuttle instead)
For the last test, power doesn't matter. What's important is TORQUE