We Took Our Cheap Racing Car To The Nürburgring - Carfection
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It’s been a long journey but after weeks of mods our race car is finally ready take on the legendary Nürburgring.
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Too much power, not enough grip?
*Didn't see that coming* 👀
Coilovers, wider wheels with proper tires, new brakes and then maybe some power increases.
I'd have put a proper seat and steering wheel in before a power mod, especially nitrous..
Isn't Michelin Pilot Sport 4S one of the best tires for sport cars?
Yup!
I know that everyone have different opinions on how the car should be tuned and modified. But you never EVER should race with worn out tyres, summer or all seasons on a track, especially in the Nürburgring. It's about safety, not about the fastest lap.
End of the day they learned why Alfisti are so passionate about the cars despite their shortcomings, and got to take something other than a rental around the ring - that's a pretty good adventure in my books, and while it might not be the most conventional approach to modification a 916 GTV isn't a conventional approach to casual track work. Kudos for educating us on a bit of oft forgotten history.
Thank you!
Question the reliability of the car despite the fact first thing you did was add NOS. I have this car, it’s not exactly a Merc from the ‘80’s but when serviced properly, it’s reliable. The engine is great as are most other systems. The biggest issue is the suspension which is made for grip but its complexity means it’s not smooth or will last for decades. I feel this series does a disservice to this car which is a bit of an unsung future classic.
Silly mods really. Even on a budget a lot more could have been done.
Forget more power as it already had 230 which is plenty enough for the chassis. Uprated Shocks and anti roll bars, an LSD and things would have been a lot safer and faster for less money. Having said that the weather was shit so it would have taken a complete hero to get round there in a good time without ending up in the barrier.
210 bph not 230bhp because this engine got the smaller air intake tubes !
The car went on a dyno in episode 2 before it had the NOS fitted. It's 20 years old and has at least a cold air intake and a free flow exhaust - who knows what's been done to it before this series?
The stiffer springs and the LSD ok, but why the anti roll?
SQTOS Anti roll bar or sway bar is a suspension part which improves handling. Its not roll cage as was fitted to this car.
AlfaAddict Dammit, I know what the anti roll is. :)
For some reason I wasn't thinking about the possible balance tuning...
Why does it sound like you left the indicator on the whole time😑
Jonny Norris I think you're hearing the windshield wiper.
That was the wipers. Or my pacemaker working overtime...
did you drive for 5 mins with an indicator on?
nope, that was actually the bgrd music, it fades into it properly at 4:10
I greatly enjoyed your efforts thanks
Hilarious-read rules
Follows the “no timing rule”
Ignores “using video equipment during TF” rule
By the way, your driver is using the “dry line”, that’s why he keeps sliding.
I really enjoyed this too. Love your presentation and thanks for educating me about Nuvolari. Will look out for your future escapades on Carfection.
Thanks. Have a look for our 'Jock Horsfall' Aston Martin video for something vaguely similar.
Great little series, informative and entertaining and I enjoyed it immensely. Please more.
What a credit to the channel you are for doing this series...top man! As a former GTV 3.0 V6 24v owner, this video was absolutely perfect in its descriptions and analysis. A truly classic car with fundamental faults that you will forget once you turn the key. Best V6 engine ever made.
Thanks, much appreciated.
Been waiting for this. "It may handle better..." It may not! I wonder how much he will regret removing the spoiler.
Not at all, it did nothing except add drag.
Not everything in life is Hollywood thankfully so. I appreciated the authentic "having a crack" and also the humility, much appreciated.
Thanks, much appreciated!
Started watching this series last night and this video aligned with my lunch break perfectly
Very entertaining Rich thanks, own a well sorted one of these and track it regularly, loads of fun!
I enjoyed throughly and inspired me todo some thing like this. Record does not matter.....am happy that you enjoyed that experience can no one take away from you.....keep it up
Number of great racing drivers with zero mechanical sympathy, zero.
Number of great lovers who are selfish lovers, zero. It might look rough but she loves it.
again this is BRUTAL just like his tache
I thought this was a good first go at this type of series. I enjoyed it despite the flaws. Looking forward to the next.
More series like this guys.... Really interesting and quite diferent from the rest of channels
10 in the wet? I'd bet against that.
Great save there in the wet. That was spectacular!
Beautiful video/music. I'd love the car if it was rwd tho.
Absolutely fantastic series
Beautiful car, and very good of you liberate your self of those urban legends...
Great little series!
Absolutely wonderful video.
Great series thanks you. As GTV6 owner I particularly enjoyed!
What a perfect viedeo to put those two stories of the Alfa of Nuvolari and the classic Pininfarina GTV together! Bravo! Well done!
loved the history lesson! very neat
Awesome cheers for shearing your experience.......'well held' by the way 😀
Super interesting way to learn about the history of Nuvolari. A quality series. Surprised people appear to be missing the point in the comments here, surely this is about the story more than the actual car or the lap.
Yup, spot on. Thanks for the comment.
A very interesting and informative mini series which was fun to watch... shame about the weather and track closure as it would have been great to see both car and driver at their best...
Thoroughly enjoyed this mini series. Obvious passion for the Marque.
Loved the series....too work!
Loved this series - looked like a proper laugh and a very brave session on the Grey Hell. Fab seeing the GTV undressed too. Not taking things too seriously but still making an interesting set of films.
Great job 👍🏼
Cheers!
GTV is one of the sexiest cars ever. That shape and appearance are incredible.
GTV Spider with roof down. Damn
A bit of fun and a great history lesson,
Great series !
Well held!
Nice story, I enjoyed that.
Always at least 2 hours TF and it’s 13 miles long. Anyway, love the videos, one of the best mini series I’ve seen on RUclips on any channel for a while 🙌
Adding Nitrous to a Busso V6 not a good idea. Apart from that great great idea. Absolutely enjoyed watching it. It is quite refreshing to see something different on youtube. You guys are doing great. Keep it that way.
As a 3.0V6 GTV owner , it pains to see how an appreciating future classic has been butchered in this series. Worst of all, doesn't even do justice to this car!
Saket Sharma, agreed.
You guys take all of this a bit too seriously
You caught that spin well mate👍🍺
Super Vid! I set a personal record on the A3 London-Petersfield section of the Nurburgring this week. Got the GTV V6 home from the KIngs Road in 55 mins. (Wife sedated for the length of the journey. Perfect passenger).
I liked this series. It was a bit different, a bit quirky, much like the car and brand. Good job chaps.
Great videos, I really enjoyed watching them especially as I've just bought one....on eBay....
I've driven Alfas for years they are more reliable than you think. The history and the advance engineering of the 20's,30's&40s' somehow is still in the DNA of cars that carry that badge...hard to believe I know but to me anyway it's true. These cars make you smile! Cheers.
Great series Rich, really enjoyed it, I'd buy a GTV just to look at to be honest. Nick was perfection as always :-)
Cheers! Nick has to tolerate a lot. He's a pro.
fair play on that slide!!
Awesome!
Fantastic.
What a great laugh and a great adventure. Well done! What's next?
Thanks! Dunno, actually, we're busy launching a magazine called MotorPunk so no time for the next video yet...
Great, everything ! with a cherry on a top - the Stone Roses and my favorite track :) Thank you for history lesson too . (somehow I forgive you NOS now, you have pay your sef out haha) cheers and thank you once more time.
Nice little project. Love Alfas, GTV 916 is gorgeous!
Thanks Ilya.
Very enjoyable video to watch. Didn't think I'd like the presenter but I leave looking forward to watching more from him. I struggle to believe the 'pirouette' happened by accident on the one corner where you had a camera man outside though! ;)
Genuinely there's no way I could have faked that, and if you know where to search online you'll find the original footage in full, from an amateur cameraman on the same corner.
In which case, very well held Sir!
Enjoyed it but hope they do another one and go a little further with it
I loved a back-story. Well, for full modifications shows you can go watch like MCM. This was a nice, relaxing trip to Green Hell.
Only way was to practice for several weeks on a 'simulator' to understand the track
I've been practising on the real track for 20 years. Still can't manage a perfectly 'clean' lap there!
Lol my Alfa is 25 years old and it's solid, never let me down, funny how people just assume they're unreliable. I'd have taken a 147 with the 2.0 litre T Spark engine for its superior handling. I've never understood the hype around the nurnbergring, looks a right shithole lol.
Great video and a fantastic story. I'd have crashed that on the first corner 😀
lovely story lovely engine!
Good Save :)
Thanks. Not the first time I'd got it wrong at the 'ring.
Just enough time to listen to the entire album. Good save though 👌
The problem is mostly front wheel drive on a wet surface. While rear wheel drive seems worse, with rear wheel drive you still have some control over the rear with your right foot. When a front wheel drive loses grip at the rear, however, you are basically a passenger with nothing to do but hope the front wheels pull you out... except they won't when you are at the grip limit already.
Personally I prefer rear wheel over front wheel on a wet surface any time of the day.
hope you will get back to the nurburgring and set a dry record to honor Tazio Nuvolari
men you can hate alfa on everything only one thing not thats how nice the busso looks and sounds. there are very few manufacters who make engines with chrome inlets and ingraved cam covers
Shame about the rain. You never said weather the car had a Q2 Limited Slip Diff which is absolutely essential to reduce understeer. This was an optional extra when new and should be on the car if your going racing.
It didn't - and we really wanted one, but it was too expensive. We also fancied a Rotrex supercharger but the NoS was cheaper (albeit a bit pants).
Well I’ve had 8 Alfa’s including this GTV. The first and only modification should have been the Q2 Diff before anything else. Even if there was no money afterwards this all you would have needed.
Wonderful series! So glad to see an older (but still newer!) Alfa featured. Really enjoyed the presenter.
Brilliant series, really enjoyed it thanks Dick!! Ignore the trolls.....
Simply MEGA!!!!!!!
I have a Gtv V6 and I don't share the presenter's continual neurosis about unreliability, perhaps for £3K he bought a dog of one? My feelings are for what he used it for he should have purchased a decent one which is £6k and attempted the Ring in that rather than 'wasting' money on the 'mods' he chose which appeared to make naff all difference.
Couldn't agree more. My Alfa is 50 years old and I drive far more miles a year than this with NO problems whatsoever....typical tripe talked by parties that are clueless.
I've had 4 of them and they've all been really reliable
I think that it has more with a fact that it is a 20-year-old car which he does not know well yet. He would doubt any cars reliability, regardless of a brand
"I've prepared this car for the racetrack, where I'll be pushing all of its components to their limits and trusting my life to it under those tough conditions, but I'm afraid to drive it to the track at normal speeds because it's 20 years old which means it might break." =\
MathsYknow fair enough, I haven't actually gotten round to watch the video yet. I was just skimming the comments, that said the last one of mine was 17 years old before i sold it old and I ragged the arse off it, had no issues. But I get the concern
Fun series. Bit of an anticlimax. Was hoping you were going to try again with better weather.
Loved this series guys, so much history and what an interesting car. Would like to experience a drive, especially the engine.
Good job!
Again you could have bought the cousin, the Fiat Coupe. Mine did 8.36 (btg) around the ring, then to Paris, then back home to Sweden in great comfort.
I seem to be in the minority, but I enjoyed the whole series. Good on ya mate!
I enjoyed making it, so, thanks!
I liked it. I'm happy they took an Alfa and not another E30 or something. Although something RWD like a 75 or something would probably have been better. I like the presenter very much.
The Presenter appreciates it. I've also had an E30 (crashed it at Donington, my local circuit) and would love a 75.
Love so much! GTV!!!
Where can I get rollcage like that??
A great mini series with great content and production levels. Look forward to more content like this, thanks.
Nice video 👍👌
LG
"improved aero"... Didn't he took off the damm spoiler
Nicholas Edmund tbh what a fucking spoiler. Wasnt doing any good
Arthur Lamouroux It was. A spoiler isn't a wing.
@TAngoNation
The rear end of the car itself has a sharp edge , so flow separation will happen all the same.
The added spoiler is just there for the looks, and adding a lot of drag, of the top of my head, maybe something like 8%.
actually the aero pack with this spoiler adds the gtv 10kph higher top speed... you can look it up
Ziga Veren , you said it, the aero pack, when you add air dams on cars with no downforce they get significantly improved drag, and in the city you drive like a granny with phobias, and then they add the spoiler and they fuck it all up
That's why we can't have nice things...
Its been obvious throughout the entire series that the team knew next to nothing about the GTV and didn't bother to do any research. Doing upgrades especially on a budget a bit of knowledge would have gone a long long way. The shots of the car and the sound quality where good though.
The audio quality was great. Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick. Awesome choice in background music.
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Wipers!
I liked the series. It felt amateur, but very entertaining. Somehow I could relate to each video. May be you didnt make everything right, but this is not the most important thing after all...
Thanks!
rain = use the rain line
i think that the presenter is trying to make the alfa as similar as possible to the one back in the 1930,s which would mean the absence of the tire, suspension and brake upgrades because the old alfa would have poor tires, brakes and suspension. hes trying to experience what the racing driver guy experienced back in the day.
But then why 'upgrade' that stuff at all, then? If the idea is to half-recreate a historic lap, adding modern mods (lol, nos) to it kinda flies off in the opposite direction of 'back in the day experience' in any way, IMO.
i think it was just to add some power. honestly, adding nos was pointless.
Ah the Alfa 'race car' series comments...this should be fun
Take a nice car, make it useless on the track and undriveable on the street. Good work.
Good to see the NOS put to good use too.....
If you want to do a fast lap around any track you should upgrade the suspension and brakes more
-Bigger anti roll bars
-Polyurathane bushes
-Coil over suspension
-lightweight and wide wheels (with decent rubber)
-bigger disc rotors, bigger calipers and some hi temp fluid
Oh and strip the interior and boot.
Wasn't it Colin Chapman who said "add lightness?" Seemed to work for the cars sporting his company logo.
Or you can do down the Fast and Furious route and add NOS...... I know which one I'd trust to make a quick car...
I'll look forward to your build videos then. Your plans sound good!
Forget the lap time if you had fun it was worth it right!?
Nice storyline. I enjoyed it thanks👍
The circuit is 14 MILES long or 20 KILOMETERS. It is not 14 Km . . .
I really can't see why anyone would hate so much on this man and on this series. The concept behind the video is interesting, the way the content is delivered is clear and overall it is very entertaining to watch. You may say he didn't choose the right car or that he didn't spend his money in the best way possible, but still it was his personal way of doing it and he had fun, which is the most important aspect of driving a car. Also he prioritized what he think is best for that car and for what he wanted to achieve.
Brodino Caldo It's the mods he choose (NOS mostly)
Dave Taylor I know, but still it's his car, his money and he seems to have enjoyed the whole experience a lot and that's what matters, right?
Thanks - I think some viewers are, perhaps, taking this a bit too seriously. I've been mucking about with cars like this for 20 years and love the historic angle. It's about fun, that's all. :)
Well shot, nicely edited, well presented, but... I have to agree with the others, the content's just not there. I absolutely appreciate you for sticking with it (seeing as it's a relatively short series after all), but you do need to get back to the drawing board for the next project.
Been a massive fan since the XCAR days. Like the presenter. But I don't understand the mods - especially nitrous. It's sacrilege.
Would like to see a part two, with a much heavier focus on suspension/handling mods, as opposed to Fast and Furious gimmicks.
I like the presenter, but the concept of the series isn't great, that car is straight up dangerous and you really shouldn't promote dangerous racing, you should try to make your car as safe as possible for the Ring.
Eh?! How is it dangerous?
If you think that car was dangerous, you know nothing of driving Italian!!!!
Pretty sure the integra's type r rear wing isnt there for looks ... Its there to prevent oversteer.. Pretty sure renouving a rear wing isnt a "improuving in aero", fwd cars get a pretty bad snap over steer especially one with a heavy v6 in the front and 0 weight in the back, you need that downforce to keep the rear planted
More Victor Meldrew than Tazio Nuvolari I'm afraid.
I don't believe it.
i like this guy, where did he go??
Despite some of the reservations in the comments I enjoyed it because I have just bought a very similar car, same colour, same age and it's been great to see the love for the car the guy has developed and that he's realised he's butchered it! I think it is or was for sale so maybe one of the complainers here could return it to it's former glory :)
Thanks. Sold and returned to standard a while ago now. I hope the new owner enjoys it as much as I did.
6:46 So, how is your "improved aero" working for you?
It's not related..
search 4 my other comment.
write2chrome At those speeds no amount of wing is going to have effect
Love the video but wish you picked a different Alfa and went another direction with the mods