Yep its also not the first time a unit is made with "this will destroy these units" only to have their damage numbers to be extremely low than advertised
@@asa_6110 it's ironically poetic that RGB Hwayoung was on the other end of this situation on release. "Let's make all this units to counter Hwayoung..."
i don't think everyone that says "let her receive buffs(as in in-game buffs like attack buff, vigor, barrier and such)" is quite as crazy as you say, we are in a meta where every single unit that is picked is either broken or negates an entire kit or in mort's and harsetti's case negates an entire kit and equipment set (and even stat, ER is useless against mort), the reason why she feels underwhelming is because she is surrounded by overpowered and downright game breaking units, so no i don't think giving her the ability to receive buffs is crazy thinking, it is a solution but is it a good solution? no there are better ways to handle this, but it is a solution to the problem which in turn will create more problem in the future, if they did let her receive buffs, she will just be another OP unit to add to the pile. The problem we're currently facing right now is that there are too many OP units, Then what is the solution you may ask? Well in my honest opinion the only logical answer are NERFS HAHAHAH THE NAIL THAT STICKS OUT GETS HAMMERED DOWN BRING EVERYBODY DOWN TO HER LEVEL, HARSETTI NO MORE STRIP, MORT NO MORE IGNORE ER, ILYNAV NO MORE CR GAIN, FIRE FLAN NEEDS TO BUILD CRIT RATE HAHAHA. But for real i think giving her free stats should work well enough but there needs to be consequences when you hit her so, make the passive also apply when she is the one that's low, so she has a better 1v1 potential, And from what another commenter said some cr gain on s3 would be nice, so when her passive procs, she can cut and do some mayhem, other than that it would also be nice for cooldown cycling.
Lets be honest here... I can't build her at all, I don't even have enough Molas for her at the moment, but its hot goth girl.... so I pulled and got her 🤣🤣
been testing her quite a lot in arena with 4.2k attack, 100cc/349cdmg, 14.9k hp and 150 speed. she can reliably one shot light units but the second they get a def buff or if they have really high def (and god forbid indomitable on top of all that which unfortunately is common from elynav), her performance drops significantly. i think she needs a buff to her s3 dmg to properly fulfill her role or she needs a way to survive longer. benya s3 destroys ml hwayoung if you dont have elynav and flan dual attacks also knock her down easily. i dont agree with low hp nuclear build bc you’re never going to out-speed a flan who can rip an s3 into her, then the rest of the team will just follow up and focus her
I have her at 4.1k atk, 16k hp and 170 speed 310 cd. And i brought her into all light tank comp. Emp ilynav, bsenya, belian and ml luna. The funny thing is the only thing she done the entire match is tank their atk without doing any dmg meanwhile my other unit killing them. Like, wtf is she made for? For tanking or killing light unit? Also do note if there's no light unit she not doing much dmg too. 😂😂
S3 activated by S2 will target light units (if possible). S2 activation is changed from 40% suffered in a single hit from an ally to falling under 40%/50% of max. HP. Stat bonus on her S2 of either some atk.% or HP%.
here's a couple ideas for a buff, besides the things you mentioned like free GS of some kind and the S2 light unit priority -Give her Pen res similar to Wukong, letting her actually use her immense defense stat against this def-pen heavy meta -Give her S3 CR push to improve her cycling and to let her S2 proc help slower Hwas steal a turn as well -Give her S3 an effect like "disables passive skills of the targeted Hero for the duration of this skill", since its clearly designed to be unprotectable against besides raw tanking it, and you wouldn't feel as terrible hitting non-lights that use their passive to survive it like AssFlan/BBK/Jenua and whatnot
She is a design failure. 1. She only use is to attack light unit and her proc targets random unit 2. She doesn't have any team support nor does she support your team 3. She needs to be a glass cannon to do her job 4. Her only chance to survive is DEF gimmick 5. Def ignoring units exists left and right 6. DB Senya can 1 shot her. Oh! The Irony.
i play her as a bruiser 100% winrate in GW , arena , RTA and no i don't use her to oneshot and it work just fine , just have to use your brain for a change.
Everybody knew Candy was going to be a completely busted broken character even before she released when her kit got leaked. There was no question or debate about it. It was clear she was gonna be one of the best characters ever released if not the best character ever released. Completely different case from ML Hwayoung
@ I do believe, that just like Helion Lua, will be a definite post buff. I just like that she’s a Scorpio, but not her complete utility. I did make the best choice to wait and I fell will do most likely for this banner. Maybe before April, we will have another Meta unit.
@@lousoul3148 I agree. I believe she will get buffed too. Even with all the controversy with her I still really like her design and wanted her and desperately need anything to deal with the nonsense known as ML Ilynav. Just pulled Hwa today and got her on destro/pen set with 4k atk, 14k hp, 176 spd, 100 cc, 329 cdmg. Only tested her a bit in guild war. She was pretty decent albeit kinda hit or miss. I had her do 23k no sb to a Belian with barrier. 30k no sb to another Belian without barrier. 18k to another Belian with barrier and 12k to an Aravi. All no soulburn. I guess there was varying gear quality between those Belians. Just not consistent and pretty hard to gear. But so far I wouldn't say I regret getting her. Just need to test her out more.
I like that for the first time in a year, an ML5 is not immediately a top 10 unit on release. I don't like that it's the unit that the meta needs the most (anti-light tank buster). If there's one unit that the meta really needs, it's a version of ML Hwa that counters light bruisers harder.
I do think having her s2 give her a 20% cr boost when its procced would solve the problem. That way you can at least guarantee she kills someone before she dies. My current arena team with her usually has to have ssv or ads to anchor, since she dies incredible quickly, and im never lucky enough to have the enemy focus on other dark enemies.
For her what she needs is free stats. More than just her passive for defense. She either needs free attack or a bunch of crit chance. Gearing her is a fucking nightmare. Just giving her free stats frees up people to build her easily. One thing I do like though and think is more valuable than anything is the fact that she can’t be debuffed. When control becomes the meta again she will Be invaluable at that time. Her value will skyrocket at that time.
This unit was meant to address Ilynav and yet I am still seeing fp Ilynav beating hwayoung comps, sometimes way too comfortably too. I dont think shes worth it, especially in this new era of ml units where not having ilynav meant your season was pretty much over.
I think this hwayoung unit made to solve ruele meta bcs after ruele buff she so annoying..hwa have extinc for ruele and enough dmg to kill her..abt ilynav i dont think so bcs ilynav so bulky and have high defense too
@@uchihaobito223 neither of those units actually kill ruele or any of tanky unit that revives so they in no means fulfil the same role outside of being another means to extinction.
@@aery412 she can't even kill ruele with high def (her base def is super high). So she's really need some kind of small buff because she's can't do her job properly
Im right on pity and im not pulling, week ago got schniel, 4 days ago i got mellona, yesterday pulled ml kawerik, today pulled ml LUA so I got enough units to build
tbh, I just think increased weight towards light units on her S2 proc would do wonders. nothing feels worse than an S2 proc into the 1/4 non light unit or Small senya or BBK into an RNG loss.
what if they give her innate counter set. Would that be broken ? Similar to mort aoe counter would be kinda op since she already punishes hitting other unit, but a 30% counter would be kinda nice
This is a trash unit, no amount of euphemism is going to change that. 1. Hard to build is not the main issue, it’s the alternatives. If you managed to have those gears try putting them on a bbk , and u will see what I mean. 2. Not only is she bad stat wise she doesn’t do what she’s supposed to do. Light counter so meta units like ilynav Ruele LRK right? Bring her into that u just die. 10/10 design, joke of a unit.
Ignore buffs while attacking would be nice and unique, maybe even go further and make her ignore everything like that one LPKarin bug where she ignored dmg limit from units like Shalltear and Gala which would make her a full MLRuele counter. . Free crit or atk and a 20 to 30% push on s3 would be the normal thing to do.
Another way to buff her without to much chaos is to give her an affect like Lethe where she can soul burn her first S3 without a cost, and by the time her second S3 is ready probably you will have enough souls to do it again. This way we can still use her to nuke the light tanks, even with our garbage gear 🥲
Im in the copium train. I really want to get her, since my team is full of pushers. Beehoo, gissel etc. I think a good buff would be innate crit chance or even like siseria, where you get atk and bulk
How about give him the passive to take 1st turn if enemy have light unit? This will instantly shut down all light unit. She does nothing to other element anyway
So, running off your idea of making her innate CC 50% because that stuck out to me. In your opinion, do you think that Smilegate should go far enough to change her imprint to something else? On one hand, a SSS CC plus 50% base means you'd hit that 100% super easy and can allocate most of your gear stats into something else. But I could also see that since base 50% would make her easier to build without a CC imprint, could they perhaps adjust it to attack %?
Hot take, but maybe we should accept that Smilegate doesn't wanna make another red Hwayoung but now with extinction? How many extinction units are easy to build and can casually do 30k+ without some certain situation? Blue Sez maybe? Moderately hot take: I'm kinda tired of every new hero getting free stats as a bandaid around the fact that endgame gearing is just a time/battery sink with a shit ton of RNG. Maybe we just fix that so you don't need to be the 1% of the 1% to build ByYoung? Honestly, with her passive I don't mind her being what's basically a side grade of Sage Vivian. Bring her into control teams and it's free eats. She can't even be sealed. Like other extinction units I'll hold on S3 until I can confirm a kill. The kind of units she wants to kill aren't necessarily turn 1 units anyway, so I can chip on until By is ready to kill.
Honestly yeah... i dont think its a bad thing that shes not 1 tapping 30k hp units left and right... and like, people seem to forget she has a whole team? Like, she doesnt need to 1 shot everyone, like its not uncommon to have like, a mort go before her and pop s3. Or maybe ASFlan s3, cause shes basically the strongest unit in the game rn and can ignore er sb def break and push up hwa.
She needs an emergency buff. Even your high end gear isn’t enough, she has tons of counters already, easy to build characters can hard counter her. Even on situations where you should have advantage she gets wooped.. If it’s a mid char yall wants than that’s fine, I saw ppl complaining about op chars, you said that too in the end but yk, they already exists in the game and we need a counter. I’m tired of Emp Ily, Benya, NM Luna but they are already there and we need a response for that without nerfing and killing the character. Make her 100% crit so we can make her builk enough and at least pray to survive that Benya ult or full crit Emp Ily. “You don’t have the necessary gear” is not an excuse for a character to be so mid/bad in the current meta.
@ why? just make counters, they do their things, we just need more options to play around that, I’m against killing an unit that you farmed so much for, can literally kill an f2p account. The problem is that Hwa was supposed to be a light killer but she gets killed before that, by a light tank lol. Just make her 100% crit and we r done.
@ yes, everyone’s the problem except for her, she can’t deal with rgb, gets killed by the chars she was supposed to kill and even on high end gear she has high chance to fail except against brain dead rta players. She literally needs ALL stts as a dps cuz u cant protect her but no buff?
@@rinnavoig considering shes already both immune to debuffs and buffs they may aswell make her immune to pen cause she already gets railed by fixed dmg and her dmg numbers are fine considering her niche the real problem is the fact that she cant deal with defense buffs/high defense which considering ilynav is a thing is pretty big fking issue for a unit whos only niche is single target dmg. but they really shouldnt buff her modifiers though she will actually 1 shot any light boss in pve that has defense break.
I don’t know why no one is thinking about using her into control comps. She’s immune to Luna, Nahkwol and Meru now. I have her on a 5k attack build as a bruiser and she wrecks. Pair her with debuffers as her mit.
Make it so that her damage is normalized between the elements, maybe buff the damage of S3 a bit to compromize and give it a unique mechanic called Banish that works like the expedition boss, it locks them in a stun and lowers speeds effect by 90% but only to light units, then make it so banish is cleared when Hwa takes another turn, it incentivizes to to play a slow hwa, you still go pure damage for one shots as thats fun but it allows for a more unique counter to light units
I was thinking increased crit as well for a buff, but I was also thinking that instead of simply nullifying buffs/debuffs she turns any attempt at a buff or debuff on her into a CR push (5-10% each) So speed becomes a much less needed stat. Or just increasing her S3's base damage by 20-30%. I think she has a place, though niche, it would still be ideal if her stat cost for entry wasn't so high, I built her fairly well, but I still only really see her as somewhat niche GW/arena unit.
My ideas to buff her would be (i dont mean i want all of these, just throwing some stuff out): 1. 10% push on enemy turn 2. Free 50% Crit damage (think recent Eligos buff) 3. Immune to all harmful effects (CR down, Injury, etc) 4. S2 prioritizes Light units or the attacker that triggered it
worst idea to give her free CR meaning no spd requirement, pls i dont want another ML Ily situations, and no a unit shouldn't just be a mere wall just walking down the CR bar, sure you're immnue to debuffs but injury... Even Benya at 50% injury still did a chunk of dmg
I'd probably prefer her getting 30% attack or something over 50% crit. That way she gets a cute nod to fire hwa. Attack over crit for a better bruiser instead of just easier to hit useable, but maybe thats to big of a buff.
I pulled cause I really like extinction units like LQC. Her kit is similar to hers, so I pulled. Wasn't expecting that random s3 that can ruin your run and no mitigation. Yes, that defense passive is a joke.
Not gonna read all comments to see if someone mentioned it, but it would be nice if her passive proc'd if she herself gets damaged the enemy has 0 drawbacks for focusing her, and since she's slow and squishy if you build her "with enough dmg" she WILL die before ever taking a turn, 0 drawbacks
Maybe you could give her S3 a "ignore res- def break before the attack" JUST against Light Units. She would reliably kill them while still leaving counter play (with Imunity set/buff). With that def break against light you could build her with less atk, balancing the damage that she makes against non-Light.
I think if ML Hwa could self buff barrier and/or maybe also defense buff while still not allowing others to buff or debuff her, that would help out a ton with survivability. Also, adding 50% crit chance to her passive would make her a lot more accessible to players outside of the top 5%.
Well this is depressing T_T I built her w/ high end Counter gear. Low speed but w/ 4.4K att, 300%+ critdmg, and bulk 16khp and 1.3def .. I think a good rework for her would be to change the debuff/buff dynamic. IMO make her immune to debuffs while her S2 passive is available according to cooldown. Not immune to buffs. That would make her solid imo. At least she’d stay alive to do her job lol sighh
Her being able to be buffed isnt that bad if you take out her s3 soul burn. Base stat buff like attack or crit chance could be good. Her main problem is damage. Her s3 soul burn against light units should be her standard S3 damage angainst light units. She should feel opresing and a real threat against light units just like straze was (and still is) againts high hp units.
How about smilegate gives her a tweak and she will need no crit damage she will automatically have 350 damage so all we would have to do is focus on crit ,attack,speed ,health , defense 😅🤷🏿
I never have the gear to build a lot of units but she looked so cool and her s3 animation is so damn clean I have to pull for her….unfortunately the game says no and I’m out all 2500 medals 😂
I went with counter pen sets , 4K atk , 285 critdmg , 100 crit chance , 16000 health , about 1000 def , She is just bad , LQC is way better than her vs the dark units and way easier to Build , She needs a buff Asap . ATM only using her to counter Ruele of light , because that the only thing she could kill with these stats , I am not Ungearing anything for her unless she get buffed .
Unfortunately I've learned my lesson not to pull characters that don't completely break the game, which I predict will have to do with dual attacks next.
i'm gonna be honest and constructive here , she does NOT need to one shot to be used. And i know it might sound crazy , but she is meant to fight tank , you know those unit that cannot one shot you , you know those unit like LRK and belian taht do AoE 24/7 , those unit like ilynav that do medium amount of damage to squishy but actually struggle to kill bruisers and tank. It DOES NOT MATTER if you 90, 80 heck even 70% of the hp one of those unit have , nobody is playing SW that heal a lot , nobody is we play cleanse SW that heal at best 20-30% of hp at best. And that's if they play a SW AT ALL . She's extremly resilient , immune to debuff a she force the focus i do not understand why everyone is obsessed with trying to one shot , just adapt your fucking draft. it's not hard. Anyway as for my build , i gave up on full damage because it felt useless and gimmicky , i went with 4k atk 1k def 18k hp 188 spd 270 crit damage on spd pen and it's working wonderfully. keep in mind i have no imprint on her i could pump her CD to 300-320 if i had S. Now do i think she's hard to build ? yes. Do i think she has niche use? Yes. BUt i do think everyone is wrong in the way they are playing her. you either use her a watcher look alike in an aggro/cleave set up (and like why bother?? she can't even go before your other nuke to get rid of ilynav ) . Or you use her as a last pick in a tempo draft against high debuff , medium damage draft with some AoE to finish off whoever you S3 on. never lost in GW and arena so far with her. Do i think new and mid-game player should avoid the banner? Unless it's waifu for you , yes you should dodge it. My point is this : while high stat requirement is true , she by no means require exactly one shot damage to work so long as you have a plan and the tanky stat to back it up behind it. Lastly , she cannot wisthand a buff her multi are too high , her base stats are too high , her imprint is too good. There is no way she can be healthy if buffed. And i know im a random but GW was against last season rank 2 and rank 11. Arena im currently rank 76 and in rta im over around low emp high champ.
If they don't wanna remove immune to buff from her kit at least give her innate +80% atk stat boost so she would actually kill toxic light tank comp. She not killing any other rgb or dark unit anyway since her dmg multiplier is poor asf.
id just like to add, arunka as reference for building ml hwayoung is bad due to arunka' passive increase atk (Happened to me, and miscalculated the gears because of it lol)
She needs a buff for sure, at the very least she needs a way to survive the onslaught from the enemy team! Very hard to build. With that said, I literally 1 tap and got her so I’m happy lol
Finally someone understands she doesn't need to remove the "No Buff" Passive. The fact that she can't be Debuffed is already amazing and balances out like a double edged sword. The base 50% crit is a great idea that isn't too game breaking. I was thinking more along the lines of something like MGLilias where she's guaranteed crit already. Maybe give her guaranteed crit too so we can focus on CD, Speed, Attack, and Health. Idk that's just me, I'm not exactly a top tier lvl player.
I think that giving her an extra turn on S3 Skill could be something they do, itd allow people to pick off the last remaining bit of hp on any loght units remaining (having her passive activate focusing on light units would go well with this too) Maybe her passive could also have some mitigation imbued into it, or something like Stene's Illusion buff, making her safe from Single Target attacks but still vulnerable to AoE attacks. Increasing her damage multipliers could also go a long way to just making her be able to one shot light units easier. Im not very knowledgeable in all of the mechanics in the game but i feel like theres a lot that they can do to make her more accessible.
I like her I am still holding out bcoz of gear I dd fight her like 10 times n only once dd I lose other times she got folded I can make her work if I get her 4k 350 at around 180+ spd is possible for me
I told a lot people before. She live or dies with SB. There is no way around it anymore. What is the issue with needing SB? it's an issue when she is not mage and she is already niche AF. She is not a 'generalist' dps. She is LIGHT unit killer Somehow people still angry with this fact and still want to say she is 'fine'. She is not weak, but she need some adjustment. Thats it. For god sake, buffing her will only make her an 'optimal' light killer. Thats it, not like she can solo anyone like pre-nerf Hwa PS: Surprise surprise. Who would have thought 'element killer' unit will face 'stat hungry' issue. Not like LQC face stat hungry issue as dark killer? right? /s
ye cant be debuffed but can be pushed so she cant play, 2 atacks with fixed damage and shes dead, idk seems mid, also her s3 cd can be reduced, if u want to pull to get a worse dps as koi flan go forward but dont cry after u have spent a full pity to get a slightly better lqc wich no one uses
That was a lot of words to say she does not do enough damage :D Seems like you went a lot out of your way to not say she is bad and the gear would do better on most other damage dealers.
I feel like she needs a buff like free cc (like 20-30%) cuz holy shet , she is hard to gear since u want a lot of stats lol (ofc since m a hwayoung main also , I want some 20% dmg miti on her passive , u can ignore this one since it's my opinion on how I want a buff that makes her go a bit crazy)
Tbh why not buff her move first when enemy have light unit + a soulburn so we can build her full dmg no speed no bulk. At least that way we can kill empyrean ilynav or ml luna 1st turn. She can die after that I don't care. Because they put these unit together with other unit make it hard to get hwa to do her job. U can build enough dmg but she never get a turn n dies first or u build her fast and don't get to killed to extinct. Committing to use hwa to cracked down those type of defense is the problem. She can get enough dmg to kill those unit BUT that mean she probably won't get a turn to kill them is the problem
Top 20 win rate? Bro there are like 20 units at most being used in rta, so she was dead last. Also other heroes of the same zodiac might not have the same passives and skill effects so damage calculator numbers will be totally inaccurate, arunka for example gets attacks on her passive and penetrades defense, hwa doesn't, hwa has extra damage vs light heroes on s3 and arunka doesnt
I think you've said it all on all that needs to be said about buffing her (responsibly) The people who want her to be able to use buffs are crazy so lets get that out of the way So your idea on free stats probably the best idea I've heard of so far Scorpio warriors have been known to always come with free stats (maybe except rem) Wukong gets a shit ton of free crit from both his arti and EE Ml bellona just straight up crits anything and arunka comes with some free attack on her passive So it really goes to say what they should be doing with this unit The pattern is clear Shouldn't be too different with her They should keep it simple and like you said "responsible" I don't need another ml ilynav to watch out for That unit needs to be put to death
I think she decent she is hard to build for sure. I enjoy what she does, i dont want her to be broken honestly. She needs another units support to debuff which is fine. Hope nothing crazy gets worked in
Obmy thing I'd change on her kit would be eliminate the randomness on s2. Skill 2 should aim at a light unit or the triggering attacker - in that order. There's already too much RNG on this game.
Funny hear u said only 1% can really gear/use her? Doesn't that mean she also underwhelming then, cause only 1% can really use her properly 😅 Mean it's still need buff, right(?) So more people can use her
edit:the only 2 ways of sg buffing her for me would be 1)just bump up her s3 dmg or 2)make her s2 always active,every time an ally suffers 40%dmg let her hit a random enemy.....i forgot 3)it would be nice if they gave her a cr push when she procs her s2,if she could take the turn after her s2 proc then she would be a much better unit this unit was such a let down for me!i h8 crown harsetti with passion and i hoped that ml hwa would punish that stupid unit...sadly she doesnt,not only that!she doesnt even do her "job" well!! the strange thing is that we had harsetti with her broken ass kit,we had lflan with her insane bonkers dmg(2shots a lolisenya with 26k hp/2k def)...why did sg thought that a ml hwa with a great s3 dmg would brake an allready broken game??
@@xinyucao1247 wait!!really??i thought that cr pushback was considered a debuff.they did her so dirty its just sad!! you have an ancient ml5 that does her job better,riolet is "meh" but he nukes the unit he unloads on!!!im 9 away from pity and really fight my urge to get her(she looks great!)
I feel like some content creators jumped the gun and hyped people up to pull on her. Really sucks considering I don't have units like Benya and Elynav and fell victim to the hype... and play mainly standard/t2 (which already sucks w/ Bwayoung) and will NEVER have the gear to make her good before a buff/rework.
Calling it now, "you're gonna eat your words" Hwa will be a very strong meta unit. 23k damage on an off turn is busted, even if it doesn't kill. Can she 1v4? Not really but that doesn't mean she's unusable
She is like straze and Lionheart she is hard to build I remember it took me 1year+ to build my Lionheart she takes time resource to build 1 by 1 remember chat we have event gear stat of our choice use that gear to build her
I think she's good but at the same time, she can die very easily, not having buffs to support her like immortality, revives, invincibility, etc... like jenua for example just murders her, flan also, any extra damage like 3f, child senya amd things like that, ml senya
I think she needs a buff cause shes hot and I like edgy goth girls on a real note her inability to fulfill her niche against people who actually have good gear is a genuine issue when u consider she offers no utility what so ever NONE. In a world with mort and ml senya and all these amazing new units her kit feels like something that came out 2 years ago. still love her though will use her regardless of her state.
The best thing about being incredibly stupid like me, waifu status take maximum priority over game performance. 9:43 I would believe it. i have been screwed over on gear crafting so much in this game my bis is level 75 gear at +15
@@ItsKovian only shield or anything to make her alive. The main problem with her is you need everything from crit hp atk and speed even then she just died to everything 40% damage conversion doesnt help her anything about surviving lpk still can kill her fixed damage also kill her literally everything. Shes the most stat hungry unit that perform niche rn. Buff her suvive ability so at least shes usable like atk to shield conversion or smth
@RaihanSalim-nw7tm Ayt I got so we kinda agree. You want her defenses buffed such that you can put more offensive gear on her. I want her offensive side buffed such that we can build her with a lot more defensive gear. We both agree that her requirements for gear currently are wayyy to high. Let's see if SG agrees and make a good fix for her
I do not have her but a few guild mates have her and from what they told me she needs more dmg on her s3 and some of them suggested she need her base stats increased because you can't really make her bulky and still do dmg at the same time and my take on this is giving her an increase to base stats and increasing the dmg of her s3 would be good or they could add some dmg reduction in her kit or something all i know is that her kit is fine as it is she just needs a little buff to make her not so hard to build
The funny thing is, KJ spent like 30 minutes contemplating her gear on stream. She’s even hard to gear for the best player in the world…..
Dude is a menance
I beat KJ thanks to Hwa 😂😂
best player in the world?..more like best spender..did he win e7wc or smtg?
Logical thing just give her 30% crit rate bonus on her passive like ml choux
Agree,sg pls hear this
@@aery412 why not at least +50% atk stat boost? Cr and CD is easy to get anyway. She won't kill any light tank if she have below 5k atk with 350 cd
i pulled her thinking i can finally counter all the light tank units, only to find out i can't even build her to be remotely useful
Im sorry bud 😔
Yep its also not the first time a unit is made with "this will destroy these units" only to have their damage numbers to be extremely low than advertised
@@asa_6110 it's ironically poetic that RGB Hwayoung was on the other end of this situation on release. "Let's make all this units to counter Hwayoung..."
i don't think everyone that says "let her receive buffs(as in in-game buffs like attack buff, vigor, barrier and such)" is quite as crazy as you say, we are in a meta where every single unit that is picked is either broken or negates an entire kit or in mort's and harsetti's case negates an entire kit and equipment set (and even stat, ER is useless against mort), the reason why she feels underwhelming is because she is surrounded by overpowered and downright game breaking units, so no i don't think giving her the ability to receive buffs is crazy thinking, it is a solution but is it a good solution? no there are better ways to handle this, but it is a solution to the problem which in turn will create more problem in the future, if they did let her receive buffs, she will just be another OP unit to add to the pile. The problem we're currently facing right now is that there are too many OP units, Then what is the solution you may ask? Well in my honest opinion the only logical answer are NERFS HAHAHAH THE NAIL THAT STICKS OUT GETS HAMMERED DOWN BRING EVERYBODY DOWN TO HER LEVEL, HARSETTI NO MORE STRIP, MORT NO MORE IGNORE ER, ILYNAV NO MORE CR GAIN, FIRE FLAN NEEDS TO BUILD CRIT RATE HAHAHA.
But for real i think giving her free stats should work well enough but there needs to be consequences when you hit her so, make the passive also apply when she is the one that's low, so she has a better 1v1 potential, And from what another commenter said some cr gain on s3 would be nice, so when her passive procs, she can cut and do some mayhem, other than that it would also be nice for cooldown cycling.
Lets be honest here... I can't build her at all, I don't even have enough Molas for her at the moment, but its hot goth girl.... so I pulled and got her 🤣🤣
Amen brother, only reason why i pulled her too lol
Based
same here
*important note*
Don't put practice gear on Arunka. She has free stats built in.
True. Same for other units with passive stat ups
been testing her quite a lot in arena with 4.2k attack, 100cc/349cdmg, 14.9k hp and 150 speed. she can reliably one shot light units but the second they get a def buff or if they have really high def (and god forbid indomitable on top of all that which unfortunately is common from elynav), her performance drops significantly.
i think she needs a buff to her s3 dmg to properly fulfill her role or she needs a way to survive longer. benya s3 destroys ml hwayoung if you dont have elynav and flan dual attacks also knock her down easily.
i dont agree with low hp nuclear build bc you’re never going to out-speed a flan who can rip an s3 into her, then the rest of the team will just follow up and focus her
I have her at 4.1k atk, 16k hp and 170 speed 310 cd. And i brought her into all light tank comp. Emp ilynav, bsenya, belian and ml luna. The funny thing is the only thing she done the entire match is tank their atk without doing any dmg meanwhile my other unit killing them. Like, wtf is she made for? For tanking or killing light unit? Also do note if there's no light unit she not doing much dmg too. 😂😂
S3 activated by S2 will target light units (if possible).
S2 activation is changed from 40% suffered in a single hit from an ally to falling under 40%/50% of max. HP.
Stat bonus on her S2 of either some atk.% or HP%.
Giving her a free soulburn on her first s3 similar to lethe's maybe?
here's a couple ideas for a buff, besides the things you mentioned like free GS of some kind and the S2 light unit priority
-Give her Pen res similar to Wukong, letting her actually use her immense defense stat against this def-pen heavy meta
-Give her S3 CR push to improve her cycling and to let her S2 proc help slower Hwas steal a turn as well
-Give her S3 an effect like "disables passive skills of the targeted Hero for the duration of this skill", since its clearly designed to be unprotectable against besides raw tanking it, and you wouldn't feel as terrible hitting non-lights that use their passive to survive it like AssFlan/BBK/Jenua and whatnot
Imagine she has pen resistance. So tell me my deer, who is able to kill her?
@@Infinity_Shotat the current moment, everything.. So with pen resist, she might not die to light Krau's first attack..yay...
She is a design failure.
1. She only use is to attack light unit and her proc targets random unit
2. She doesn't have any team support nor does she support your team
3. She needs to be a glass cannon to do her job
4. Her only chance to survive is DEF gimmick
5. Def ignoring units exists left and right
6. DB Senya can 1 shot her. Oh! The Irony.
i play her as a bruiser 100% winrate in GW , arena , RTA and no i don't use her to oneshot and it work just fine , just have to use your brain for a change.
Can you share your stats ? And sets ?@@Boumhaar
I can smell a hot fix buff same as ML Lua and this unit will become the harbinger coming of Satan.
Thanks for this video, I am debating at 65 pulls away. Last year, I did the right choice and pulled for Candy at guaranteed summon.
Everybody knew Candy was going to be a completely busted broken character even before she released when her kit got leaked. There was no question or debate about it. It was clear she was gonna be one of the best characters ever released if not the best character ever released. Completely different case from ML Hwayoung
@ I do believe, that just like Helion Lua, will be a definite post buff. I just like that she’s a Scorpio, but not her complete utility. I did make the best choice to wait and I fell will do most likely for this banner. Maybe before April, we will have another Meta unit.
@@lousoul3148 I agree. I believe she will get buffed too. Even with all the controversy with her I still really like her design and wanted her and desperately need anything to deal with the nonsense known as ML Ilynav. Just pulled Hwa today and got her on destro/pen set with 4k atk, 14k hp, 176 spd, 100 cc, 329 cdmg. Only tested her a bit in guild war.
She was pretty decent albeit kinda hit or miss. I had her do 23k no sb to a Belian with barrier. 30k no sb to another Belian without barrier. 18k to another Belian with barrier and 12k to an Aravi. All no soulburn. I guess there was varying gear quality between those Belians. Just not consistent and pretty hard to gear.
But so far I wouldn't say I regret getting her. Just need to test her out more.
I like that for the first time in a year, an ML5 is not immediately a top 10 unit on release. I don't like that it's the unit that the meta needs the most (anti-light tank buster). If there's one unit that the meta really needs, it's a version of ML Hwa that counters light bruisers harder.
I do think having her s2 give her a 20% cr boost when its procced would solve the problem. That way you can at least guarantee she kills someone before she dies.
My current arena team with her usually has to have ssv or ads to anchor, since she dies incredible quickly, and im never lucky enough to have the enemy focus on other dark enemies.
For her what she needs is free stats. More than just her passive for defense. She either needs free attack or a bunch of crit chance. Gearing her is a fucking nightmare. Just giving her free stats frees up people to build her easily.
One thing I do like though and think is more valuable than anything is the fact that she can’t be debuffed. When control becomes the meta again she will
Be invaluable at that time. Her value will skyrocket at that time.
This unit was meant to address Ilynav and yet I am still seeing fp Ilynav beating hwayoung comps, sometimes way too comfortably too. I dont think shes worth it, especially in this new era of ml units where not having ilynav meant your season was pretty much over.
I think this hwayoung unit made to solve ruele meta bcs after ruele buff she so annoying..hwa have extinc for ruele and enough dmg to kill her..abt ilynav i dont think so bcs ilynav so bulky and have high defense too
@@aery412 i mean we can use Biseria or even Singelica...
@@aery412 shes made to kill ruele and luna. I just wish her S2 prioritized light units u know her main niche.....
@@uchihaobito223 neither of those units actually kill ruele or any of tanky unit that revives so they in no means fulfil the same role outside of being another means to extinction.
@@aery412 she can't even kill ruele with high def (her base def is super high). So she's really need some kind of small buff because she's can't do her job properly
Im right on pity and im not pulling, week ago got schniel, 4 days ago i got mellona, yesterday pulled ml kawerik, today pulled ml LUA so I got enough units to build
For a very hyper specific niche, she doesn't fill that niche or job well
tbh, I just think increased weight towards light units on her S2 proc would do wonders. nothing feels worse than an S2 proc into the 1/4 non light unit or Small senya or BBK into an RNG loss.
what if they give her innate counter set. Would that be broken ? Similar to mort aoe counter would be kinda op since she already punishes hitting other unit, but a 30% counter would be kinda nice
This is a trash unit, no amount of euphemism is going to change that.
1. Hard to build is not the main issue, it’s the alternatives. If you managed to have those gears try putting them on a bbk , and u will see what I mean.
2. Not only is she bad stat wise she doesn’t do what she’s supposed to do. Light counter so meta units like ilynav Ruele LRK right? Bring her into that u just die.
10/10 design, joke of a unit.
Best thing we can do imo is giving the S2 priority on Light Units and maybe slapping a little 10% Attack passive on S2
Ignore buffs while attacking would be nice and unique, maybe even go further and make her ignore everything like that one LPKarin bug where she ignored dmg limit from units like Shalltear and Gala which would make her a full MLRuele counter. . Free crit or atk and a 20 to 30% push on s3 would be the normal thing to do.
Another way to buff her without to much chaos is to give her an affect like Lethe where she can soul burn her first S3 without a cost, and by the time her second S3 is ready probably you will have enough souls to do it again. This way we can still use her to nuke the light tanks, even with our garbage gear 🥲
or just make sure freda blue buff can be applied to her 😊
Im in the copium train. I really want to get her, since my team is full of pushers. Beehoo, gissel etc. I think a good buff would be innate crit chance or even like siseria, where you get atk and bulk
How about give him the passive to take 1st turn if enemy have light unit? This will instantly shut down all light unit. She does nothing to other element anyway
So, running off your idea of making her innate CC 50% because that stuck out to me. In your opinion, do you think that Smilegate should go far enough to change her imprint to something else? On one hand, a SSS CC plus 50% base means you'd hit that 100% super easy and can allocate most of your gear stats into something else. But I could also see that since base 50% would make her easier to build without a CC imprint, could they perhaps adjust it to attack %?
Hot take, but maybe we should accept that Smilegate doesn't wanna make another red Hwayoung but now with extinction? How many extinction units are easy to build and can casually do 30k+ without some certain situation? Blue Sez maybe?
Moderately hot take: I'm kinda tired of every new hero getting free stats as a bandaid around the fact that endgame gearing is just a time/battery sink with a shit ton of RNG. Maybe we just fix that so you don't need to be the 1% of the 1% to build ByYoung?
Honestly, with her passive I don't mind her being what's basically a side grade of Sage Vivian. Bring her into control teams and it's free eats. She can't even be sealed. Like other extinction units I'll hold on S3 until I can confirm a kill. The kind of units she wants to kill aren't necessarily turn 1 units anyway, so I can chip on until By is ready to kill.
Honestly yeah... i dont think its a bad thing that shes not 1 tapping 30k hp units left and right... and like, people seem to forget she has a whole team? Like, she doesnt need to 1 shot everyone, like its not uncommon to have like, a mort go before her and pop s3. Or maybe ASFlan s3, cause shes basically the strongest unit in the game rn and can ignore er sb def break and push up hwa.
She needs an emergency buff. Even your high end gear isn’t enough, she has tons of counters already, easy to build characters can hard counter her. Even on situations where you should have advantage she gets wooped.. If it’s a mid char yall wants than that’s fine, I saw ppl complaining about op chars, you said that too in the end but yk, they already exists in the game and we need a counter. I’m tired of Emp Ily, Benya, NM Luna but they are already there and we need a response for that without nerfing and killing the character. Make her 100% crit so we can make her builk enough and at least pray to survive that Benya ult or full crit Emp Ily. “You don’t have the necessary gear” is not an excuse for a character to be so mid/bad in the current meta.
Nerf the top dogs, very simple. E7 has reached a point where nerfs has to be done.
@ why? just make counters, they do their things, we just need more options to play around that, I’m against killing an unit that you farmed so much for, can literally kill an f2p account. The problem is that Hwa was supposed to be a light killer but she gets killed before that, by a light tank lol. Just make her 100% crit and we r done.
i don't think she needs emergency buff, she's balanced. The problem is the current overloaded kit meta ML5s and RGBs
@ yes, everyone’s the problem except for her, she can’t deal with rgb, gets killed by the chars she was supposed to kill and even on high end gear she has high chance to fail except against brain dead rta players. She literally needs ALL stts as a dps cuz u cant protect her but no buff?
@@rinnavoig considering shes already both immune to debuffs and buffs they may aswell make her immune to pen cause she already gets railed by fixed dmg and her dmg numbers are fine considering her niche the real problem is the fact that she cant deal with defense buffs/high defense which considering ilynav is a thing is pretty big fking issue for a unit whos only niche is single target dmg. but they really shouldnt buff her modifiers though she will actually 1 shot any light boss in pve that has defense break.
ty for the vids man helps me tons with stuff
I don’t know why no one is thinking about using her into control comps. She’s immune to Luna, Nahkwol and Meru now. I have her on a 5k attack build as a bruiser and she wrecks. Pair her with debuffers as her mit.
Make it so that her damage is normalized between the elements, maybe buff the damage of S3 a bit to compromize and give it a unique mechanic called Banish that works like the expedition boss, it locks them in a stun and lowers speeds effect by 90% but only to light units, then make it so banish is cleared when Hwa takes another turn, it incentivizes to to play a slow hwa, you still go pure damage for one shots as thats fun but it allows for a more unique counter to light units
I was thinking increased crit as well for a buff, but I was also thinking that instead of simply nullifying buffs/debuffs she turns any attempt at a buff or debuff on her into a CR push (5-10% each) So speed becomes a much less needed stat. Or just increasing her S3's base damage by 20-30%. I think she has a place, though niche, it would still be ideal if her stat cost for entry wasn't so high, I built her fairly well, but I still only really see her as somewhat niche GW/arena unit.
I like this idea!
My ideas to buff her would be (i dont mean i want all of these, just throwing some stuff out):
1. 10% push on enemy turn
2. Free 50% Crit damage (think recent Eligos buff)
3. Immune to all harmful effects (CR down, Injury, etc)
4. S2 prioritizes Light units or the attacker that triggered it
maybe s2 increase def and hp
worst idea to give her free CR meaning no spd requirement, pls i dont want another ML Ily situations, and no a unit shouldn't just be a mere wall just walking down the CR bar, sure you're immnue to debuffs but injury... Even Benya at 50% injury still did a chunk of dmg
point 3 would be good, immune to debuff but cr push is terrible.
I'd probably prefer her getting 30% attack or something over 50% crit. That way she gets a cute nod to fire hwa. Attack over crit for a better bruiser instead of just easier to hit useable, but maybe thats to big of a buff.
I pulled cause I really like extinction units like LQC. Her kit is similar to hers, so I pulled. Wasn't expecting that random s3 that can ruin your run and no mitigation. Yes, that defense passive is a joke.
Not gonna read all comments to see if someone mentioned it, but it would be nice if her passive proc'd if she herself gets damaged
the enemy has 0 drawbacks for focusing her, and since she's slow and squishy if you build her "with enough dmg" she WILL die before ever taking a turn, 0 drawbacks
S2 procing into light units if targetable seems more than reasonable.
Maybe you could give her S3 a "ignore res- def break before the attack" JUST against Light Units. She would reliably kill them while still leaving counter play (with Imunity set/buff). With that def break against light you could build her with less atk, balancing the damage that she makes against non-Light.
Peaple would use imunity set on their light tank units, she would need reduce buff duration or strip as well
I think if ML Hwa could self buff barrier and/or maybe also defense buff while still not allowing others to buff or debuff her, that would help out a ton with survivability.
Also, adding 50% crit chance to her passive would make her a lot more accessible to players outside of the top 5%.
Well this is depressing T_T I built her w/ high end Counter gear. Low speed but w/ 4.4K att, 300%+ critdmg, and bulk 16khp and 1.3def ..
I think a good rework for her would be to change the debuff/buff dynamic. IMO make her immune to debuffs while her S2 passive is available according to cooldown. Not immune to buffs.
That would make her solid imo. At least she’d stay alive to do her job lol sighh
Exactly! Wheelchair goth girl
Her being able to be buffed isnt that bad if you take out her s3 soul burn.
Base stat buff like attack or crit chance could be good.
Her main problem is damage. Her s3 soul burn against light units should be her standard S3 damage angainst light units. She should feel opresing and a real threat against light units just like straze was (and still is) againts high hp units.
Do you think if they capped her at having one buff she would be too much?
How about smilegate gives her a tweak and she will need no crit damage she will automatically have 350 damage
so all we would have to do is focus on crit ,attack,speed ,health , defense 😅🤷🏿
I never have the gear to build a lot of units but she looked so cool and her s3 animation is so damn clean I have to pull for her….unfortunately the game says no and I’m out all 2500 medals 😂
Necesita crit chance en los despertar o pasiva, sino en vez de defensa aumentada por el atk deberían ponerle límite de daño.
I went with counter pen sets , 4K atk , 285 critdmg , 100 crit chance , 16000 health , about 1000 def , She is just bad , LQC is way better than her vs the dark units and way easier to Build , She needs a buff Asap .
ATM only using her to counter Ruele of light , because that the only thing she could kill with these stats , I am not Ungearing anything for her unless she get buffed .
Unfortunately I've learned my lesson not to pull characters that don't completely break the game, which I predict will have to do with dual attacks next.
It's a shame... I really like her design but if I can't gear her up properly, what's the point to pull her 😢
i'm gonna be honest and constructive here , she does NOT need to one shot to be used. And i know it might sound crazy , but she is meant to fight tank , you know those unit that cannot one shot you , you know those unit like LRK and belian taht do AoE 24/7 , those unit like ilynav that do medium amount of damage to squishy but actually struggle to kill bruisers and tank. It DOES NOT MATTER if you 90, 80 heck even 70% of the hp one of those unit have , nobody is playing SW that heal a lot , nobody is we play cleanse SW that heal at best 20-30% of hp at best. And that's if they play a SW AT ALL . She's extremly resilient , immune to debuff a she force the focus i do not understand why everyone is obsessed with trying to one shot , just adapt your fucking draft. it's not hard.
Anyway as for my build , i gave up on full damage because it felt useless and gimmicky , i went with 4k atk 1k def 18k hp 188 spd 270 crit damage on spd pen and it's working wonderfully. keep in mind i have no imprint on her i could pump her CD to 300-320 if i had S.
Now do i think she's hard to build ? yes. Do i think she has niche use? Yes. BUt i do think everyone is wrong in the way they are playing her. you either use her a watcher look alike in an aggro/cleave set up (and like why bother?? she can't even go before your other nuke to get rid of ilynav ) . Or you use her as a last pick in a tempo draft against high debuff , medium damage draft with some AoE to finish off whoever you S3 on. never lost in GW and arena so far with her. Do i think new and mid-game player should avoid the banner? Unless it's waifu for you , yes you should dodge it. My point is this : while high stat requirement is true , she by no means require exactly one shot damage to work so long as you have a plan and the tanky stat to back it up behind it.
Lastly , she cannot wisthand a buff her multi are too high , her base stats are too high , her imprint is too good. There is no way she can be healthy if buffed.
And i know im a random but GW was against last season rank 2 and rank 11. Arena im currently rank 76 and in rta im over around low emp high champ.
If they don't wanna remove immune to buff from her kit at least give her innate +80% atk stat boost so she would actually kill toxic light tank comp. She not killing any other rgb or dark unit anyway since her dmg multiplier is poor asf.
id just like to add, arunka as reference for building ml hwayoung is bad due to arunka' passive increase atk (Happened to me, and miscalculated the gears because of it lol)
Give her little more speed or make guarante crit ?
She needs a buff for sure, at the very least she needs a way to survive the onslaught from the enemy team! Very hard to build. With that said, I literally 1 tap and got her so I’m happy lol
her S2 proc should priotize Light units, so u can go giga slow and reliable kill any Light unit on the opposite site
Finally someone understands she doesn't need to remove the "No Buff" Passive. The fact that she can't be Debuffed is already amazing and balances out like a double edged sword.
The base 50% crit is a great idea that isn't too game breaking. I was thinking more along the lines of something like MGLilias where she's guaranteed crit already.
Maybe give her guaranteed crit too so we can focus on CD, Speed, Attack, and Health.
Idk that's just me, I'm not exactly a top tier lvl player.
I think that giving her an extra turn on S3 Skill could be something they do, itd allow people to pick off the last remaining bit of hp on any loght units remaining (having her passive activate focusing on light units would go well with this too)
Maybe her passive could also have some mitigation imbued into it, or something like Stene's Illusion buff, making her safe from Single Target attacks but still vulnerable to AoE attacks.
Increasing her damage multipliers could also go a long way to just making her be able to one shot light units easier.
Im not very knowledgeable in all of the mechanics in the game but i feel like theres a lot that they can do to make her more accessible.
I like her
I am still holding out bcoz of gear
I dd fight her like 10 times n only once dd I lose
other times she got folded
I can make her work if I get her 4k 350 at around 180+ spd is possible for me
I told a lot people before. She live or dies with SB. There is no way around it anymore.
What is the issue with needing SB? it's an issue when she is not mage and she is already niche AF. She is not a 'generalist' dps. She is LIGHT unit killer
Somehow people still angry with this fact and still want to say she is 'fine'.
She is not weak, but she need some adjustment. Thats it. For god sake, buffing her will only make her an 'optimal' light killer. Thats it, not like she can solo anyone like pre-nerf Hwa
PS: Surprise surprise. Who would have thought 'element killer' unit will face 'stat hungry' issue. Not like LQC face stat hungry issue as dark killer? right?
/s
My beef is she gets focused even in arena if you don't bring squishies to proc her because she doesn't proc herself.
ye cant be debuffed but can be pushed so she cant play, 2 atacks with fixed damage and shes dead, idk seems mid, also her s3 cd can be reduced, if u want to pull to get a worse dps as koi flan go forward but dont cry after u have spent a full pity to get a slightly better lqc wich no one uses
That was a lot of words to say she does not do enough damage :D Seems like you went a lot out of your way to not say she is bad and the gear would do better on most other damage dealers.
"He could gear Enott and make him look amazing"
D a m n.
I feel like she needs a buff like free cc (like 20-30%) cuz holy shet , she is hard to gear since u want a lot of stats lol (ofc since m a hwayoung main also , I want some 20% dmg miti on her passive , u can ignore this one since it's my opinion on how I want a buff that makes her go a bit crazy)
Who is KJ tho ? Can somebody link me his channel ?
Tbh why not buff her move first when enemy have light unit + a soulburn so we can build her full dmg no speed no bulk. At least that way we can kill empyrean ilynav or ml luna 1st turn. She can die after that I don't care. Because they put these unit together with other unit make it hard to get hwa to do her job. U can build enough dmg but she never get a turn n dies first or u build her fast and don't get to killed to extinct. Committing to use hwa to cracked down those type of defense is the problem. She can get enough dmg to kill those unit BUT that mean she probably won't get a turn to kill them is the problem
Aight I'm convinced to pull her, 1% gang rise up
Top 20 win rate? Bro there are like 20 units at most being used in rta, so she was dead last.
Also other heroes of the same zodiac might not have the same passives and skill effects so damage calculator numbers will be totally inaccurate, arunka for example gets attacks on her passive and penetrades defense, hwa doesn't, hwa has extra damage vs light heroes on s3 and arunka doesnt
I think you've said it all on all that needs to be said about buffing her (responsibly)
The people who want her to be able to use buffs are crazy so lets get that out of the way
So your idea on free stats probably the best idea I've heard of so far
Scorpio warriors have been known to always come with free stats (maybe except rem)
Wukong gets a shit ton of free crit from both his arti and EE
Ml bellona just straight up crits anything and arunka comes with some free attack on her passive
So it really goes to say what they should be doing with this unit
The pattern is clear
Shouldn't be too different with her
They should keep it simple and like you said "responsible"
I don't need another ml ilynav to watch out for
That unit needs to be put to death
she basically gets free def tho
@@Shengguo0 Fair case in point
Totally forgot about that lol
I think she decent she is hard to build for sure. I enjoy what she does, i dont want her to be broken honestly. She needs another units support to debuff which is fine. Hope nothing crazy gets worked in
15:50 basically this was why I used my first pity on her design/neurons >>>>>> meta
Obmy thing I'd change on her kit would be eliminate the randomness on s2. Skill 2 should aim at a light unit or the triggering attacker - in that order. There's already too much RNG on this game.
Funny hear u said only 1% can really gear/use her?
Doesn't that mean she also underwhelming then, cause only 1% can really use her properly 😅
Mean it's still need buff, right(?)
So more people can use her
Got her and cried when I realized how much gear she needed T.T RIP 1 year noobie
edit:the only 2 ways of sg buffing her for me would be 1)just bump up her s3 dmg or 2)make her s2 always active,every time an ally suffers 40%dmg let her hit a random enemy.....i forgot 3)it would be nice if they gave her a cr push when she procs her s2,if she could take the turn after her s2 proc then she would be a much better unit
this unit was such a let down for me!i h8 crown harsetti with passion and i hoped that ml hwa would punish that stupid unit...sadly she doesnt,not only that!she doesnt even do her "job" well!!
the strange thing is that we had harsetti with her broken ass kit,we had lflan with her insane bonkers dmg(2shots a lolisenya with 26k hp/2k def)...why did sg thought that a ml hwa with a great s3 dmg would brake an allready broken game??
her worst part is not immune to cr manipulation, she should just get another turn if s2 proc and reset s3 cooldown.
@@xinyucao1247 wait!!really??i thought that cr pushback was considered a debuff.they did her so dirty its just sad!!
you have an ancient ml5 that does her job better,riolet is "meh" but he nukes the unit he unloads on!!!im 9 away from pity and really fight my urge to get her(she looks great!)
Maybe let herget buffed but no att buff or greater so you can give her def shield to survive longer
I feel like some content creators jumped the gun and hyped people up to pull on her. Really sucks considering I don't have units like Benya and Elynav and fell victim to the hype... and play mainly standard/t2 (which already sucks w/ Bwayoung) and will NEVER have the gear to make her good before a buff/rework.
She should have a passive like melona so she is easy to build even on counter set
Free sb on s3
Calling it now, "you're gonna eat your words" Hwa will be a very strong meta unit. 23k damage on an off turn is busted, even if it doesn't kill. Can she 1v4? Not really but that doesn't mean she's unusable
I got her in one ten pull, so no skin off my back if she's bad or not.
She is like straze and Lionheart she is hard to build I remember it took me 1year+ to build my Lionheart she takes time resource to build 1 by 1 remember chat we have event gear stat of our choice use that gear to build her
She cant nuke light knights so at least make her survive cleave she died to easily
I think she's good but at the same time, she can die very easily, not having buffs to support her like immortality, revives, invincibility, etc... like jenua for example just murders her, flan also, any extra damage like 3f, child senya amd things like that, ml senya
I think she needs a buff cause shes hot and I like edgy goth girls
on a real note her inability to fulfill her niche against people who actually have good gear is a genuine issue when u consider she offers no utility what so ever NONE. In a world with mort and ml senya and all these amazing new units her kit feels like something that came out 2 years ago. still love her though will use her regardless of her state.
Just make her S2 proc priortize light units and she would be way better
In my opinion they should give her a cr push when she proc s2
She's hotter than ML Lua so she is probably selling well.
I really like her as waifu material, but I want to play optimally😢
She’s a cute red head. I think I’ll pull lol
My main question is, is she amazing in PvE? Like can I auto some stages since hwa can't get debuffed?
Yes really good in PVE the problem is pvp.
The best thing about being incredibly stupid like me, waifu status take maximum priority over game performance.
9:43 I would believe it. i have been screwed over on gear crafting so much in this game my bis is level 75 gear at +15
Make her always crit eith her skills like Lone Bellona and Afternoon Flan
This should provide her with some gear score (100% crit is pretty good)
No, if you do that she will become completely broken. All we need is survivability shield or what ever because she died so easily
@RaihanSalim-nw7tm So you want her to be able to be buffed ?
That sounds even more broken no ?
@@ItsKovian only shield or anything to make her alive. The main problem with her is you need everything from crit hp atk and speed even then she just died to everything 40% damage conversion doesnt help her anything about surviving lpk still can kill her fixed damage also kill her literally everything. Shes the most stat hungry unit that perform niche rn. Buff her suvive ability so at least shes usable like atk to shield conversion or smth
@RaihanSalim-nw7tm Ayt I got so we kinda agree. You want her defenses buffed such that you can put more offensive gear on her. I want her offensive side buffed such that we can build her with a lot more defensive gear.
We both agree that her requirements for gear currently are wayyy to high. Let's see if SG agrees and make a good fix for her
@@RaihanSalim-nw7tmbro u can't buff her with any buff like shield etc,maybe she need passive that can reduce dmg then i agree
She needs somthing like a damage limit in her passive
Definitely not! Just higher damage vs light units or a extra 25 cc in her passive to make her easier to build
Yeah keeping her alive is tough
I'll summon her cause of her design lol
I do not have her but a few guild mates have her and from what they told me she needs more dmg on her s3 and some of them suggested she need her base stats increased because you can't really make her bulky and still do dmg at the same time and my take on this is giving her an increase to base stats and increasing the dmg of her s3 would be good or they could add some dmg reduction in her kit or something all i know is that her kit is fine as it is she just needs a little buff to make her not so hard to build
They lack good gear
Guys i can build her and shes so fun but honestly dont pull cuz i want her to be more crazzy 😅