Teachers are not service providers: Chan Chun Sing | The Usual Place podcast

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @richardstella5927
    @richardstella5927 2 месяца назад +73

    Singapore is very lucky to have such Minister.
    How many times do you see such a down-to-earth Minister in the world articulating policies with such depth and breath without reading from scripts?
    It is very obvious that this Minister cares a lot for the well-being of his teachers and Singapore children and his approach to parenting and educating a child is wise and sound. And he puts his intelligence and beliefs into implementing something which will continue to put Singapore in the forefront of education.

    • @leanne2330
      @leanne2330 2 месяца назад +5

      A bold and honest Min Chan. He speaks the truth and helps us change.

    • @Hs5687
      @Hs5687 2 месяца назад +2

      This Minister did not cross over from Military to Public Figure Life well … ie. Agenda Driven, See everything only in Binary, Entitled Mindset etc …

    • @shucklesors
      @shucklesors 2 месяца назад

      @@Hs5687 do you know how to form a basic line of thinking? my 12 year old nephew knows how to do that.
      so you see richardstella5927's main point, right anot little boy? now you pick out something you disagree with, then explain why, and use a supporting line of reasoning.
      come, little boy. you try now, maybe there is hope left for you

    • @Be.fair.to.all.people_
      @Be.fair.to.all.people_ 2 месяца назад +1

      for$2m a year? That is all to show it?

  • @jennywong8297
    @jennywong8297 2 месяца назад +38

    My twins are 25yo, I have been a full time mom and full time tutor for 14 years. I thank teachers who have taught my sons and I have kept in touch with some of them. My older twin won the Lee Kuan Yew gold medal for Aerospace Engineering in NTU. I have managed to thank some of his teachers. Incidentally, I did my A levels in Malaysia. Students and parents in Singapore may or may not know how blessed they are!!!!!

  • @lobangqueen
    @lobangqueen 10 дней назад

    Best Education Minister. I agree with him totally.

  • @hcgoh5777
    @hcgoh5777 2 месяца назад +4

    Min. Chan has the heart to serve, has the brilliant mind to resolve issues and improve things and its a true leader who really looks after his Principals and Teachers well, shielding them from unreasonable parents and students.
    Min. Chan has implemented so many policy adjustments in Education in the 3 short years as minister in MOE. Damn hardworking!❤

  • @pgobserver254
    @pgobserver254 2 месяца назад +15

    Alright, let’s add another layer of spicy wisdom from Minister Chan. Not only are teachers not your personal on-demand service providers, but let’s be real clear here-they’re not here to "serve" parents like waiters taking orders at a fancy restaurant. You don’t stroll into a parent-teacher meeting and say, "I'll take a side of extra homework updates with a dash of weekly reports, please!" Nope, not happening.
    Minister Chan says it loud and proud: Teachers deserve **respect**-they're educators, not customer service reps at your local mall. You can't expect them to jump when you snap your fingers or answer emails like they're competing for the world's fastest response time award. Their priority is the students, not meeting every parent’s demand like they’re fulfilling an Amazon order.
    So, parents, take a deep breath, step back, and remember: teaching isn’t a service industry, and your kid’s teachers deserve the same respect you’d give any other professional. Just because you can’t request extra fries with your feedback doesn’t mean they’re not doing an amazing job! 2:53

  • @ownthegame3
    @ownthegame3 2 месяца назад +32

    a v good interview
    the minister is v frank and he wants to do the right things and not popular
    he admits he will lose votes

    • @Buttercookies0
      @Buttercookies0 2 месяца назад +13

      There are still many level-headed people in Sg. As long as what he said makes sense and is for the well-being of everyone, he may win more votes for being frank and direct in addressing problems before they get worse.

    • @ownthegame3
      @ownthegame3 2 месяца назад +2

      @@Buttercookies0 well said.
      it is not easy to insist being right and not popular that should be way forward

  • @cedricchow8594
    @cedricchow8594 2 месяца назад +2

    Well-said, Minister Chan! You've articulated a very logical and common sense approach to education and discipline to students. It's so important that common sense approach is adhere instead of subscribing to some illogical woke teaching philosophies we see elsewhere.

  • @dianagiam
    @dianagiam 2 месяца назад +1

    Min Chan is the best Minister of Education. He really cares for both the children and educators.
    I support him that we should not entertain or embolden unreasonable parents.

  • @GreenMaster-c5s
    @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад +16

    I think this is a right move. I have frequently heard from students that "you are paid to teach me, we pay school fees to attend lessons" to their teachers. I am glad that the minister is addressing this issue. I hope that he can further evaluate the use of feedback in higher education as such feedback sessions has been used unresponsibly as an weapon against teachers.

    • @鲁焚化炉
      @鲁焚化炉 2 месяца назад +3

      I'll ask the students if their school fees are enough for the lighting, or aircon, or water ..... 😝

  • @bkai7777
    @bkai7777 2 месяца назад +19

    The teachers should also be treated with respect by the schools and should not overtax them with lots of work and messaging about work matters after school hours.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад +1

      Earlier we also hear "all schools are good school" but how many really believe in this? How much effort needed to prove it correct? The main core of issues is not to add work to teachers but change the attitudes of students and all stakeholders

    • @liam3284
      @liam3284 2 месяца назад

      exactly!

  • @onghc5892
    @onghc5892 Месяц назад +1

    Well said. MINISTER CHAN❤

  • @XueHwaTan
    @XueHwaTan 2 месяца назад +8

    I just shared I had a wonderful pri 1 teacher Mrs Foo fr Redhill 35 yrs ago. She reminded me to go on time to the tuckshop for a cup of milk. Reason I was too skinny. Tk wanting me to stay healthy

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад

      Me too I had such great teachers in my primary school too. But if today if a teacher as such may be complained as interfering to the students life😢😢😢

  • @christophertan7466
    @christophertan7466 2 месяца назад +14

    The elephant in the room is often NOT the parents but the principals that set their school culture and burden teachers with many after school hours text about “urgent” work. I think minister needs to know that.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад

      Maybe we should rethink this as school leaders are not well trained in planning ? Or they have strong beliefs in keeping up with ever increasing kpi? Send them to skill future for time management course or priority setting course. A person only has 24 hours a day.

    • @liam3284
      @liam3284 2 месяца назад

      instead of learning to plan better, leadership just make it someone else's problem. When the workload become unbearable, and the teacher can not, the manager just punish others for their mistakes.

    • @naikkelas7495
      @naikkelas7495 2 месяца назад

      True. Even in this AI era the pricipal (who mostly are boomer) demand the teacher to do all administrative task manually. Type manually instead of improving their system.

  • @DarkPa1adin
    @DarkPa1adin Месяц назад +2

    4 day week for teachers, schedule in a way that each teacher only attends school for 4 days a week to make it a 5 day school week. Scrap the daily morning assembly. Make it once a week

  • @flightsimulater12
    @flightsimulater12 2 месяца назад +2

    People's comments and social media's portrayal of him made me think he was the opposite of what i saw in this episode. But i think he's alright, we need more MPs like him who do the right thing, even if it makes him less popular. People like him see the bigger picture, we may not always see the big picture and it's a tough job to balance the people's wants with what the country needs. I hope he'll continue to make the right decisions and stay this way because it's the right thing to do.

    • @dianagiam
      @dianagiam 2 месяца назад

      Why did you initally not observe for yourself, instead of letting the social media's portrayal of him affected you?

  • @MyHanck
    @MyHanck 2 месяца назад +2

    Ministers must be aware of the toxic culture in Sg when dealing with issues.

  • @penguin6700
    @penguin6700 2 месяца назад +10

    Some actions by teachers make parents feel that they can communicate with them more. They use apps like Class Dojo that makes messaging easy. Some teachers also text parents using Whatsapp which makes parents think it's okay to Whatsapp them.
    And when one teacher is easily contactable after school hours, some parents will think that all teachers should be as easy to contact. They start comparing the teachers and can rate some teachers as bad because they don't provide their phone numbers.
    So, if this needs to be stopped, teachers need to standardise their communication practices.
    Teachers should perhaps not text and call and breathe down parents' neck too much when kids don't do well or do their homework. It shouldn't become parents' homework unless the parents express great willingness to step in.
    Teachers also need to adjust their practices.

  • @peacemakerz2378
    @peacemakerz2378 2 месяца назад +2

    Chan Chun Sing is probably the only minister that really cares for the people regardless of his voting results. Pity that he is not the PM.

  • @boyputra9443
    @boyputra9443 2 месяца назад +5

    MOE pls employ that PARENT to be a teacher .

    • @dianagiam
      @dianagiam 2 месяца назад +1

      NO!! That parent will make a poor educator!

  • @blazinboomer
    @blazinboomer 2 месяца назад +2

    I feel social workers should be attached to schools as well, much like hospitals

    • @Dandelion1199
      @Dandelion1199 2 месяца назад +1

      They have 1 welfare officer in schools now.. not sure how many schools sharing 1 welfare officer. The welfare officer will work with the social workers in the nearest family service centre to support the students and/or families that need help.

  • @yeowchongong5608
    @yeowchongong5608 2 месяца назад

    Is parents’ issue. These day parents are one of the kind.

  • @krollpeter
    @krollpeter 2 месяца назад +1

    Some highlights:
    - Parents who escalate school issues unnecessarily and overstep boundaries with teachers are a minority, but they waste time and divert resources away from the wider school community
    - Bypassing the school's leadership, and instead getting a minister to bring pressure on the school, is something that Mr Chan said he "cannot tolerate"
    - "I trust my principals, I trust my teachers. I always tell them that I'm not going to respond to this, because the more I respond to this, the more emboldened that individual will be to bypass (the system)"
    - Mr Chan said that perhaps now parents have a "natural tendency" to want to do more for their children, whereas in the past, parents "generally trust the teachers more".
    - He added: "Today, I think a lot of people feel that, 'Well, I'm also highly educated, then I should have a view on certain things.'"
    "Sometimes in trying to solve every problem for them, we actually deprive them of that learning opportunity."
    - Beyond creating entitled children or parents, he said such a mindset would have serious implications for the teaching profession.
    - if parents keep bailing their children out of situations, such as asking for a spelling list on their behalf or to review their PSLE scores, children will not be encouraged to be responsible or learn life skills.
    I have tried to contact school leadership, to no avail. I am unable to trust a system which does not even share the output of exams.
    Do not complain, do not ask any questions, do not have an opinion, keep yourself away.

    • @krollpeter
      @krollpeter 2 месяца назад

      You are sitting there and complaining about the parents who care for their children, unjustified or not. The solution is surely not to criticise having an opinion, or worrying about what happens in school.
      Instead, you should have used the chance to show the audience real life examples, for example for unjustifiable interference, or disturbing teachers, or unproductive blaming. And also shown examples of positive parent care.

    • @ysngngys7753
      @ysngngys7753 2 месяца назад

      @@krollpeter so what is really +ve parent care?...another hum chee that only knows how to tok and failed to literally see the issue...JBBSB...NB.

    • @krollpeter
      @krollpeter 2 месяца назад

      @@ysngngys7753 it should be a much more serious issue than he says it here. Otherwise, he would not sit there and feel compelled complaining about the parents with opinions.

  • @鲁焚化炉
    @鲁焚化炉 2 месяца назад +2

    Some parents just simply don't know when to stop being bossy to the educators!😝

  • @languishinga7368
    @languishinga7368 2 месяца назад +3

    Wat he said will not sit well with spoilt parents bringing up spoilt kids.

  • @leanne2330
    @leanne2330 2 месяца назад +2

    The cause of such parental behaviours maybe due to the Grandparents who had brought yp the Parents this way. Unfortunately this small group of parents unable to relearn fast and get out.

  • @junkaikoh13
    @junkaikoh13 2 месяца назад +7

    I think the question is not "why now", but "why not earlier"?? This has been the prevalent trend over past 7 years or so.

    • @daphneteo599
      @daphneteo599 2 месяца назад

      Without the unreasonable earlier incidents, will there be the rule/regulation/law now?

    • @PumpTrapOne
      @PumpTrapOne 2 месяца назад

      @@daphneteo599 Eventually i want stronger laws and policies to safeguard teachers, we owe them that much for bringing up the nation after all. I don't want us to have a educational situation like South Korea and Japan

  • @lobangqueen
    @lobangqueen 10 дней назад

    The teacher can spread the book for 3 students to carry to create teamwork.

  • @manyue2003
    @manyue2003 2 месяца назад +1

    Now that we lay down the rules for the teachers, let us lay down rules for protecting children from being bullied in schools. Why are there still youth in schools today in gangs bullying other youths? Strict protocols should be lay down by MOE for the schools.
    Bullying in school is something that adults need to interfere. If the youth solved it themselves then it will most likely end in violence when it escalate.

    • @somipark1828
      @somipark1828 17 дней назад

      One last thing. Of course, when someone starts to get violence to you and attack you, please defend yourself or report them to the authority. This is beyond bullying and you should protect yourself against it.

  • @francisng9536
    @francisng9536 2 месяца назад

    Teachers are teachers until they're overwhelmed by projects after projects, meeting KPIs, etc.

  • @hlee2
    @hlee2 2 месяца назад

    ccs is a true general - never jump the chain of command

  • @MemeChecked
    @MemeChecked 2 месяца назад

    4:27 First line always most acurate.

  • @SWandG
    @SWandG 2 месяца назад +2

    In the poly, students are seen as customers. 😂 Thus students and parents also feel super entitled. The current case is not limited to pri, sec n jcs.

    • @jbrkjferkjbekjb
      @jbrkjferkjbekjb 2 месяца назад

      Poly is different. The students are much older.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад

      Some of the poly students are well protected by parents

  • @ShahWirana
    @ShahWirana Месяц назад

    In the lift, you can tell who let go of the smell, if you know who sprays perfume at the seat of his pants....something the school doesn't teach....but only the wise and intuitive can read between the lines

  • @DarkPa1adin
    @DarkPa1adin Месяц назад

    So, what happens if a student believes in flat earth? How do you facilitate? Will you immediately deny his belief?

  • @DarkPa1adin
    @DarkPa1adin Месяц назад

    I just hope the next Min for Edu don't undo the good

  • @avatart183
    @avatart183 2 месяца назад +2

    To be fair majority stress for educator is not from parents but mainly from management at least in Nanyang Polytechnics. Educator on average have performanve grades of C-, those better grade like B and A are reserved for management and high flying scholars. Staff will be pinalised for making mistake marks entry for exam and their bonuses will be forfieted. If you just do well in teaching is not enough to even get a C grade, you have to innovate, get R&D grant and work like super human. Even if you do all these right, you boss do not like you, you will be graded C- and be recommended for 30% salary cut......

    • @naikkelas7495
      @naikkelas7495 2 месяца назад +1

      Wtf? Here in indonesia there is no such thing. Come teach here.

  • @wangjinwen7708
    @wangjinwen7708 Месяц назад

    Who is there to escalate to then?

  • @dianagiam
    @dianagiam 2 месяца назад

    For the parent who is displeased with your children's teachers, homeschool your children if you are so smart!

  • @ericleoww
    @ericleoww 2 месяца назад

    Well, this is only a small faction of parents who reacted this way.
    But truth be told, it is not right to say it is the principal who gave out unreasonable or demanding tasks to teachers.
    As a parent, I was told years ago that my daughter did not perform to the expectation of her top class as she was one of the 3 pupils out of 43 who did not have private tuition classes after school.
    Teacher needs to earn respect from parents and students alike. The respect cannnot be demanded just by virtue of being a teacher.
    Perhaps the Minister would like to review if the issue is just about parents towards teachers.
    A small number of demanding parents is enough to discourage teachers; similarly a small number of unprofessional teachers is enough to frustrate and discourage pupils.
    Who creates more damage here..are pupils less important than teachers?

    • @jbrkjferkjbekjb
      @jbrkjferkjbekjb 2 месяца назад

      I have to agree with you. There are some teachers who take no pride in their jobs at all.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад

      Both are important, they are partners in school, a family outside the students house, so parents should step out and let the teachers exercise their professionalism.

  • @jbrkjferkjbekjb
    @jbrkjferkjbekjb 2 месяца назад +10

    The lady host tends to speak in quite an indiscreet, brash sort of tone (e.g. asking Minister about things that "shock" him), cutting the Minister off to try to finish his sentences, etc.

    • @takanna
      @takanna 2 месяца назад +4

      agreed. she sounds very juvenile and almost too casual and disrespectful.

    • @audreygiamlayhoon
      @audreygiamlayhoon 2 месяца назад +2

      Yes, very harsh in tone.

    • @ShahWirana
      @ShahWirana Месяц назад

      A Minister is an employee deserves respect like anyone else, but not someone you supposed to put on a pedestal....please read up our National Constitution...we are not a communist country or a kingdom...

    • @jbrkjferkjbekjb
      @jbrkjferkjbekjb Месяц назад +2

      @@ShahWirana Did I say pedestal? But at least speak with courtesy in a professional setting. And while a Minister's role is to serve Singaporeans (like any public servant), we should still accord him some respect for holding one of the highest political offices in Singapore. Without respect society just degenerates into anarchy which is not what anyone wants

    • @onghc5892
      @onghc5892 Месяц назад

      Agreed

  • @johnwong4424
    @johnwong4424 2 месяца назад +2

    That's why we all turn to private tuition 😊

  • @chaosmoron
    @chaosmoron 2 месяца назад

    Redefine the term "Civil Servant"

  • @Jannahmd2457
    @Jannahmd2457 2 месяца назад +6

    A feedback i wrote to Moe regarding the psle syllabus till now its not addressed, its getting tougher n weighing down on our students, teachers n parents. With AL 1-6 etc. Do u think it's healthy for the students mentally especially n to teachers n parents too to set a high standard especially for maths, science, English with so many components? Y is moe syllabus stressing the sg students too much? Y no reply till now? Y sg education is so stressful?

    • @diversifyx2
      @diversifyx2 2 месяца назад +4

      He and his ministry do things in their "ATAS" way not for ordinary people like us

    • @jj96432
      @jj96432 2 месяца назад +11

      education is stressful bcos all the parents wants their children to get full marks (or close to it). exmas and tests are meant to stratify which students are good and not so good in a subject. If every student gets >80%, the exam/test is meaningless. Hard questions are meant to seek out the truly high calibre students in the subject, they are not meant for everyone to score correctly

    • @nicholasgoh3526
      @nicholasgoh3526 2 месяца назад +4

      The irony is that these ‘knowledge’ like advanced mathematics are useless in the real world, unless you want to be a scientist - but that can be learnt later on. Even in my era, we have exams questions that are so hard that students broke down after the exams. These students are likely to be then streamed into classes that are deemed to be for students that are less intelligent. All these have long lasting effects on the students especially on their confidence. Don’t bang on getting a reply from the minister or minister. They are all elitist who came from the same system, they group think and they seriously think they know best.

    • @karenng2840
      @karenng2840 2 месяца назад +13

      You have answered your own question actually. Parents are one of those who set too high a standard and thus leading to stress for the children. Can parents start the ball rolling by not setting too high a standard?

    • @SportsmenAttitude
      @SportsmenAttitude 2 месяца назад +4

      Perhaps you represented a small minority . So many parents are okay with PSLE system etc . Unless you make a strong case with a few hundred Thousands of signatures .. it’s no go.

  • @marcuschong3647
    @marcuschong3647 2 месяца назад

    I agree that the "long term performance" is more important. However, how is/ can MOE or govt encouraging/ encourage parents to be comfortable enough to put aside the results and give more emphasis to the non-academic aspect of things? It's a fact that our society is result and performance oriented. Can one expect a performance driven society not to inculcate the same values and beliefs to our children? Our children will be the ones who will face the brunt of not performing well in the future, not the interviewee here.
    I'm not saying it is right to "terrorize" teachers. They should be appreciated.
    I just think that it is easy for the interviewee to just give idealistic comments without considering the underlying causes/ problems.

    • @jbrkjferkjbekjb
      @jbrkjferkjbekjb Месяц назад

      nothing to do with "results" here, it is about teaching your child the right way to obtain "results"

  • @antonyLoh-x1f
    @antonyLoh-x1f 2 месяца назад +2

    Write to CPIB? Wth! Which parent so ignorant? Might as well write to united nations (UN).....got international coverage........ AAHhahahhahah joke sia

  • @naikkelas7495
    @naikkelas7495 2 месяца назад

    Well, the system in Indonesia is if the parents feels that they have spend ten of thousand of dollar then the teacher must give their children a good grade other wise that teacher is dumb and should be replace soon.

  • @MyHanck
    @MyHanck 2 месяца назад

    It’s going to create the distance.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад

      This is not true. If teachers are respected they are close to students and students can voiced out. If teachers are treated as service providers,they are treated as maid outside their home

  • @CyChong-vm2uf
    @CyChong-vm2uf 2 месяца назад +1

    yes, and thats is why people who can afford goes for tuition or more expensive enhancements. Because we cannot count on teachers to provide that services.

    • @GreenMaster-c5s
      @GreenMaster-c5s 2 месяца назад +1

      If the parents have the correct trust in the teachers, students will learn better with respect. Tuition is needed for students who need a relatively different learning experience.

  • @starwind13
    @starwind13 2 месяца назад

    Just like how sheep are not cotton providers

  • @PatriciaBaughman-k4n
    @PatriciaBaughman-k4n 2 месяца назад

    Brown William Garcia Michelle Hernandez James

  • @Zero_dgf
    @Zero_dgf 2 месяца назад +4

    He is not good leader for moe.😢

    • @wz758
      @wz758 2 месяца назад +1

      are you one of those toxic parents who harass teachers and writes to minister?

    • @ysngngys7753
      @ysngngys7753 2 месяца назад

      coming from one hum chee.

    • @ephesianwomanofgod1411
      @ephesianwomanofgod1411 2 месяца назад

      Why ? 11:38 is it because he shared the reality of all the spoilt and entitled parents ? 😢

  • @zrw2820
    @zrw2820 2 месяца назад

    Petty uninteresting leader

    • @ysngngys7753
      @ysngngys7753 2 месяца назад

      coming from one hum chee

    • @ephesianwomanofgod1411
      @ephesianwomanofgod1411 2 месяца назад +1

      At least he got the guts to point out about the spoilt parents

  • @kookmania1405
    @kookmania1405 Месяц назад

    Lucky MOE never get teachers to do the kids laundry. There must be a gulf between teachers and parents and students.