For the functions: Beehive = hive mind Elephant = impressive mental capabilities either long term or lots of data Goldfish = opposite of above/short term memory Branch transfer = you get it. (Maybe used in conjunction with another menu option.) Lullaby = basic functions of job no interactions with others Freeze frame= paralyze (maybe leading to accidents….) Clean slate = wake up back at the table/no memories Glasgow = see Glasgow coma scale (GCM) level of consciousness following a brain injury Look man I need my Glasgow theory to be right 😃 love it when you guys recap the comment theories
The tension build for this episode was fantastic. The aspects of their outie personality bleeding into/being the foundation of their innie is quite good. They did a great job of revealing a bunch of simple answers while also presenting even more wild questions. I have to say this is one of the most interesting shows I've seen recently, even more so than Raised By Wolves which I find compelling as well. Definitely looking forward to Season 2. Thing I want to see some more of in season two: Interpersonal interactions (Innie and Outie interactions).
You worded it perfectly: "Tension" is the word that best describes that episode!! I (John) loved it. :) I think you're also very correct: while Raised by Wolves is a fascinating show, that's a bit more 'spectacle'-based, perhaps...whereas this is just great questions, answers -- and the conversations that drive those things? We have you all to thank for guiding us to this show. :)
Hellys dad is Jame Egan, you can see his wax statue in an earlier episode. I wonder if we could have some sort of mind transference happening…maybe kier just transplants his mind into all the new CEOs.
I think Kier Eagen is the board, its possible the re-evolution her dad mentions is somehow intergrating consciousness into a computer and Kier has already been through the process, that message Helly got when she completed her task was probably Kier actually talking to her as an AI
It was a wonderful finale that left me (John) fully satisfied! It left us with a cliffhanger, but not one that felt cheap & gave us enough information to complete this as a 'finished' season. :) Can't wait for season 2, and we're glad you liked our conversation here! Definitely more to come on this show. ;)
I hope they'll go all in with all the cult weirdness in season 2, when I started watching Severance I wasn't expecting all the cult stuff, it really adds another lovely layer of creepiness to the whole situation.
I felt that this is not Irv's first time being brought outside as his innie, it's like he is being reset everytime, and with each oppurtunity he gets he is adding more to his list
I agree he's been severed more than once - his innie shouldn't know about the testing floor elevator, so it must have been another version of him that saw that. But I think the investigation on the outside was definitely being done by his outie. The paintings too are an attempt to get a message to innie-Irv I think. The repetition of the exact same painting and song is designed to get it deep into his subconscious, and with late nights and coffee he's trying to make innie-Irv fall asleep, so that these subconscious memories will surface in his dreams.
soooooooooo tried to find this immediately after it came out. been working my new job and haven't been able to get on here........ popped on to see if a vid came out and boooook two new ones and awesome content!!!!! amazing guys thank you
I've been given some thought to Helly being revealed as Helena Eagan and how she seemed not to be too thrilled about going through Severance, only doing it for PR and the whole theory of the Eagan family working on downloading consciousness from one person and uploading it in another body, which would basically grant immortality to a select few, perhaps Kier's and all the other Lumon CEO's and Eagan family members' consciousnesses have been downloaded, Jame Eagan mentioned the revolving to Helena, maybe it could mean he plans on taking over the body of Helena or some weird cult shit. And what my point is, well I'm starting to think that maybe Helena isn't as a clear cut antagonist for our innies as we might think, perhaps she's secretly working against her own family in the outside world. Can't wait for season 2, HYPE HYPE HYPE!
The transferring conscious theory is plausible, but I don't think Jame will be taking over Helena. Why would Helena put herself through severance just for the reward of sacrificing herself to become a vessel for her father's mind? Plus it would be difficult to keep it quiet since Helena is a celebrity in her own right, and Jame probably doesn't want a sex change either. I think if there is going to be transference, it'll be to an unwilling host (such as a Lumon employee). One reason to doubt this theory is that if you copy your mind and upload it to another body, it won't be you in the new body. You'll die, and someone else with your mind will get up and walk away but you won't experience that. I think an ideologue who cares more about their legacy than self-preservation could still potentially want to do this, though. Jame Eagan could certainly be the type, especially since he's old and so without much time left anyway. I think the "Keir's children" comment is a potential hint about a twist on the transference theory. Maybe when Keir died his brain was preserved and the plan is to copy his brain into many hosts. But it could also just refer to using severance + brainwashing techniques to create an army of Lumon slaves. Perhaps MDR's purpose is an experiment into different ways to exert control over severed people.
Them not showing Irv leave any kind of message for his outtie was kinda dumb, but the innies plan was to seek someone they think they can trust and tell everything and who does Irv trust? Burt and he found out where Burt lives so of course that would be the main thing on his mind. So all in all I think it was kinda realistic cause people do dumb things and don't think things through before acting on impulses.
Yeah, I'd like to think I'd be cool, calm, and collected under stress...but I think it's pretty common for people to freak out and not to what we think would be the 'logical' thing. Especially when it's something as mesmerizing as your true "alter ego"! Good points. :)
I think whoever will go back to Lumon for work would be sent to that elevator to go wherever it is it goes but Helly R. (innie) might be taken to the break room. It's also possible that Helly R. begins to feel guilty because it is her outie's fault and that makes her go even more rogue.
I think the intro is super important the mark seems to be in like an experimentation jumpsuit in half (the maroon jumpsuit that he tiptoes around shown in claymation. We've seen the senators wife is severed so the building weve been watching is all devoted to research and development, mark is key cuz of Gemma, Irv because ptsd. or the other option is that the numbers since they all align with Kiers values that maybe there're trying to find the perfect "host" to implant a Kier chip into one day. those all the thoughts that came to mind watching lol, spread out over 5 comments
The guy in the middle didn’t explain the significance of the Lexington letter at all She bypassed the code detectors. Wrote messages to herself back and forth everyday. She told the outie she finished the file at 2:30 pm. He outie wrote back saying, that’s weird there was a huge truck crash at 2:32 pm with such and such company, am I responsible? The middle guy lol you should listen to the questions people ask you
They purposely didn't show Hellys oudies so it could be a surprise that she's a key advocating for severance technology. I think they didn't show Irving's, because he's probably got a spicy background trying to infiltrate
That's a great way to time this all -- thank you! I was trying to mentally juggle, but that's a great way to know with more certainty. Our man held those toggle-switches like a CHAMP! ;)
A question I have, and this is similar to the “I love you” computer program cartoon. If Milchik was only taking pictures of the group because Helly was now there, why didn’t others question it? Or did he normally photograph all new employees throughout the day? Also, I think that Petey quoting was organic. It didn’t matter which department Helly went into as long as it was a severed department. There’s numerous departments she could have joined but his absence made it easier as it seemed they were immediately aware Petey went rogue.
I think taking photographs is pretty standard. They probably do it for PR to recruit new employees on the outside. Taking "happy" pictures to make it look like Lumon is a great place to work. They had a group photo with Petey in i t before Helly started working there.
It was a very intense one, and as Nick had mentioned -- it was edited beautifully. If you haven't seen Westworld, Season 1 of that show is 'perhaps' my favorite season of content ever & has a killer & intense reveal at the end of it...but wow -- they kept the tension & information very high in this episode. I really felt like we were "in it" with the group trying to get glimpses of the answers to our [many!] questions!!
I think the word scanners aren't real. In the Lexington letter, peg takes a coded note on a reciept from a store with presumably regular writing on it. She also took this in after they were upgraded and then came back 10 minutes later with another note. Not to mention, milchik would've know that Dylan didn't take the card home if the scanners were real or at the very least, nowhere as good as they act like they are
Something is off with the people in town.. Everyone seem to behave quite childish, from the dinner in the first episode commentary about the WW1, to the party in the last episode... Any theories? Thanks for your videos, began following with Raised by Wolves and now I cant stop watching you guys, great work.
I (John) hadn't even considered that the entire town might be "off"...but maybe that's just because we've had so few interactions with the outside community. The few we've seen thus far -- a number of them definitely are quite like you mentioned! Mark's sister does seem 'normal' though (her husband...yeah he's definitely 'unique'!). ;) Glad you're continuing to enjoy this journey with us!
The only people I've seen act that way are Rickon's friends, and that's easy to explain. They are Rickon's groupie fans. They are morons, the kind of people who "hang on" to anyone they think is famous or important in some way. Smarter people would not be fans of Rickon's book.
I think the dinner/party weirdness is explained by the fact that Ricken is a bit of a quack and his friends are people who were dim enough to have found his book a work of genius. Devon seems pretty sharp so if your theory is true, you need some explanation for why she's not also affected.
@@dm9910 I can only think that Devon wanted a child and she was getting older and running out of time, maybe her options were limited. Or maybe she just really does like Rickon, maybe she sort of has a mothering protective instinct about him.
S2: Helley R outie ends up helping Innie Helley after the Overtime Hijack outburst. Wakes up Helley R outie to some truths she may not be aware of despite her position in thr company (in the family). As culty as her dad was, i could see Helley R being groomed from childhood by her father to be the one to enact this part of theil Kier (sp?) Grand Plan.
its helly not haley, not that it matters ha.. I think they made "I found the baby guy" and honestly all the people we've met in the town except Rickon and marks sister intentionally seem almost like the severed workers while at work. the dinner party they are all weird, and the audience at the reading is super weird. Rebek (notable because it is a shortened name like our innie workers (helly helena, mark Marcus, irv Irving, **peg Margaret and that one comes from the Lexington letter** innie, Burt Bertram, not sure on dylan) says I need to change my name again. I think they did this to leave their options open for the writing, especially since they live in the town of Kiehr, to have a big reval about the town being completely severed or something later.. or maybe its even planned already
Thank you! Hardly anyone mentions how bizarre Ricken and his friends are and what that means about who they are/what's happened to them. I'm intrigued... I also wonder how Devon and Ricken got together because Devon seems cool and Ricken... well.
hey guys, idea....... they dont know what the outside is like . they have only lived in the basement of severance and dont know what a car is....... thats why he couldn't drive or didn't know what driving was . remember they are essentially children who have never left that basement! wanted to share that with you guys !!!!
Cobel wanted Mark to quit because there would be no way that she could be tied to his wife still being alive, if that makes sense. She had her own reasons to finding out if Mark could recognize his dead wife is still alive.
We're jumping from show-to-show all over the place -- it gets to be a bit to juggle. We kept wanting to say "we can't wait for season 3!" because we're used to saying that for Raised by Wolves...when this is obviously going to be Season 2 for Severance. ;)
Hahah, oh wait nevermind...I didn't realize what Nick did!! That was a project Nick did back when he was in school...he was Wayne -- and I was Garth! So yeah, that's us green screened into the real shots from the movie, haha! ;)
dylan gets to go home, them keeping him isn't an option they'd be fucked. his innie could be clean slated, I'm expecting all our main characters to be clean slated at start of season 2 but the outtie still gets to live his life, thats the pitch of severance and that is why punishment never causes any physical damage
For the functions:
Beehive = hive mind
Elephant = impressive mental capabilities either long term or lots of data
Goldfish = opposite of above/short term memory
Branch transfer = you get it. (Maybe used in conjunction with another menu option.)
Lullaby = basic functions of job no interactions with others
Freeze frame= paralyze (maybe leading to accidents….)
Clean slate = wake up back at the table/no memories
Glasgow = see Glasgow coma scale (GCM) level of consciousness following a brain injury
Look man I need my Glasgow theory to be right 😃 love it when you guys recap the comment theories
The tension build for this episode was fantastic. The aspects of their outie personality bleeding into/being the foundation of their innie is quite good. They did a great job of revealing a bunch of simple answers while also presenting even more wild questions. I have to say this is one of the most interesting shows I've seen recently, even more so than Raised By Wolves which I find compelling as well. Definitely looking forward to Season 2.
Thing I want to see some more of in season two: Interpersonal interactions (Innie and Outie interactions).
You worded it perfectly: "Tension" is the word that best describes that episode!! I (John) loved it. :)
I think you're also very correct: while Raised by Wolves is a fascinating show, that's a bit more 'spectacle'-based, perhaps...whereas this is just great questions, answers -- and the conversations that drive those things?
We have you all to thank for guiding us to this show. :)
Hellys dad is Jame Egan, you can see his wax statue in an earlier episode. I wonder if we could have some sort of mind transference happening…maybe kier just transplants his mind into all the new CEOs.
Maybe that’s the revolving?
I think Kier Eagen is the board, its possible the re-evolution her dad mentions is somehow intergrating consciousness into a computer and Kier has already been through the process, that message Helly got when she completed her task was probably Kier actually talking to her as an AI
Fun theory, I like it
Crazy finale. So excited to see what happens next. Great video guys.
It was a wonderful finale that left me (John) fully satisfied! It left us with a cliffhanger, but not one that felt cheap & gave us enough information to complete this as a 'finished' season. :) Can't wait for season 2, and we're glad you liked our conversation here! Definitely more to come on this show. ;)
I hope they'll go all in with all the cult weirdness in season 2, when I started watching Severance I wasn't expecting all the cult stuff, it really adds another lovely layer of creepiness to the whole situation.
I felt that this is not Irv's first time being brought outside as his innie, it's like he is being reset everytime, and with each oppurtunity he gets he is adding more to his list
I agree he's been severed more than once - his innie shouldn't know about the testing floor elevator, so it must have been another version of him that saw that. But I think the investigation on the outside was definitely being done by his outie. The paintings too are an attempt to get a message to innie-Irv I think. The repetition of the exact same painting and song is designed to get it deep into his subconscious, and with late nights and coffee he's trying to make innie-Irv fall asleep, so that these subconscious memories will surface in his dreams.
soooooooooo tried to find this immediately after it came out. been working my new job and haven't been able to get on here........ popped on to see if a vid came out and boooook two new ones and awesome content!!!!! amazing guys thank you
I've been given some thought to Helly being revealed as Helena Eagan and how she seemed not to be too thrilled about going through Severance, only doing it for PR and the whole theory of the Eagan family working on downloading consciousness from one person and uploading it in another body, which would basically grant immortality to a select few, perhaps Kier's and all the other Lumon CEO's and Eagan family members' consciousnesses have been downloaded, Jame Eagan mentioned the revolving to Helena, maybe it could mean he plans on taking over the body of Helena or some weird cult shit. And what my point is, well I'm starting to think that maybe Helena isn't as a clear cut antagonist for our innies as we might think, perhaps she's secretly working against her own family in the outside world.
Can't wait for season 2, HYPE HYPE HYPE!
The transferring conscious theory is plausible, but I don't think Jame will be taking over Helena. Why would Helena put herself through severance just for the reward of sacrificing herself to become a vessel for her father's mind? Plus it would be difficult to keep it quiet since Helena is a celebrity in her own right, and Jame probably doesn't want a sex change either. I think if there is going to be transference, it'll be to an unwilling host (such as a Lumon employee).
One reason to doubt this theory is that if you copy your mind and upload it to another body, it won't be you in the new body. You'll die, and someone else with your mind will get up and walk away but you won't experience that. I think an ideologue who cares more about their legacy than self-preservation could still potentially want to do this, though. Jame Eagan could certainly be the type, especially since he's old and so without much time left anyway.
I think the "Keir's children" comment is a potential hint about a twist on the transference theory. Maybe when Keir died his brain was preserved and the plan is to copy his brain into many hosts. But it could also just refer to using severance + brainwashing techniques to create an army of Lumon slaves. Perhaps MDR's purpose is an experiment into different ways to exert control over severed people.
Them not showing Irv leave any kind of message for his outtie was kinda dumb, but the innies plan was to seek someone they think they can trust and tell everything and who does Irv trust? Burt and he found out where Burt lives so of course that would be the main thing on his mind. So all in all I think it was kinda realistic cause people do dumb things and don't think things through before acting on impulses.
Yeah, I'd like to think I'd be cool, calm, and collected under stress...but I think it's pretty common for people to freak out and not to what we think would be the 'logical' thing. Especially when it's something as mesmerizing as your true "alter ego"! Good points. :)
I think whoever will go back to Lumon for work would be sent to that elevator to go wherever it is it goes but Helly R. (innie) might be taken to the break room. It's also possible that Helly R. begins to feel guilty because it is her outie's fault and that makes her go even more rogue.
This is going to be very interesting to see, and of course will likely happen in pretty quick order at the beginning of Season 2...at least tidbits!
The only reason Helly R. would be going back to work is if Helena wants to punish her for what she did at the party.
Wouldn’t it be wild if outie Helena was planning on thwarting this whole thing the whole time anyways? Like it was part of a grander scheme?
I think the intro is super important the mark seems to be in like an experimentation jumpsuit in half (the maroon jumpsuit that he tiptoes around shown in claymation. We've seen the senators wife is severed so the building weve been watching is all devoted to research and development, mark is key cuz of Gemma, Irv because ptsd. or the other option is that the numbers since they all align with Kiers values that maybe there're trying to find the perfect "host" to implant a Kier chip into one day. those all the thoughts that came to mind watching lol, spread out over 5 comments
The guy in the middle didn’t explain the significance of the Lexington letter at all
She bypassed the code detectors. Wrote messages to herself back and forth everyday. She told the outie she finished the file at 2:30 pm. He outie wrote back saying, that’s weird there was a huge truck crash at 2:32 pm with such and such company, am I responsible?
The middle guy lol you should listen to the questions people ask you
irv the innie doesn't know anyone. he looks at the map and the only name he recognizes is Burt its the only place he can go
They purposely didn't show Hellys oudies so it could be a surprise that she's a key advocating for severance technology. I think they didn't show Irving's, because he's probably got a spicy background trying to infiltrate
About half way through helly r gets told she's on in 20 so I'd say they was out between 40 minutes to an hour
That's a great way to time this all -- thank you! I was trying to mentally juggle, but that's a great way to know with more certainty. Our man held those toggle-switches like a CHAMP! ;)
@@AsArt I also think they are not showing more of Irving's outie because he Gona be the one to crack this hole thing open
A question I have, and this is similar to the “I love you” computer program cartoon. If Milchik was only taking pictures of the group because Helly was now there, why didn’t others question it? Or did he normally photograph all new employees throughout the day?
Also, I think that Petey quoting was organic. It didn’t matter which department Helly went into as long as it was a severed department. There’s numerous departments she could have joined but his absence made it easier as it seemed they were immediately aware Petey went rogue.
I think a "100%" was pretty uncommon, so maybe that's why that popped up & the others didn't see it?
@@AsArt hmmm perhaps! I wish they would’ve made that more clear that it was normal or if not, show them confused.
I think taking photographs is pretty standard. They probably do it for PR to recruit new employees on the outside. Taking "happy" pictures to make it look like Lumon is a great place to work. They had a group photo with Petey in i t before Helly started working there.
This was the most intense season finale I've ever seen.
It was a very intense one, and as Nick had mentioned -- it was edited beautifully. If you haven't seen Westworld, Season 1 of that show is 'perhaps' my favorite season of content ever & has a killer & intense reveal at the end of it...but wow -- they kept the tension & information very high in this episode. I really felt like we were "in it" with the group trying to get glimpses of the answers to our [many!] questions!!
at 14:00 i thought it was the HR Lady that tackled Helly R
I think the word scanners aren't real. In the Lexington letter, peg takes a coded note on a reciept from a store with presumably regular writing on it. She also took this in after they were upgraded and then came back 10 minutes later with another note. Not to mention, milchik would've know that Dylan didn't take the card home if the scanners were real or at the very least, nowhere as good as they act like they are
eternal sunshine of the spotless severed mind
Something is off with the people in town.. Everyone seem to behave quite childish, from the dinner in the first episode commentary about the WW1, to the party in the last episode... Any theories?
Thanks for your videos, began following with Raised by Wolves and now I cant stop watching you guys, great work.
I (John) hadn't even considered that the entire town might be "off"...but maybe that's just because we've had so few interactions with the outside community. The few we've seen thus far -- a number of them definitely are quite like you mentioned! Mark's sister does seem 'normal' though (her husband...yeah he's definitely 'unique'!). ;)
Glad you're continuing to enjoy this journey with us!
The only people I've seen act that way are Rickon's friends, and that's easy to explain. They are Rickon's groupie fans. They are morons, the kind of people who "hang on" to anyone they think is famous or important in some way. Smarter people would not be fans of Rickon's book.
I think the dinner/party weirdness is explained by the fact that Ricken is a bit of a quack and his friends are people who were dim enough to have found his book a work of genius. Devon seems pretty sharp so if your theory is true, you need some explanation for why she's not also affected.
@@dm9910 I can only think that Devon wanted a child and she was getting older and running out of time, maybe her options were limited. Or maybe she just really does like Rickon, maybe she sort of has a mothering protective instinct about him.
S2: Helley R outie ends up helping Innie Helley after the Overtime Hijack outburst. Wakes up Helley R outie to some truths she may not be aware of despite her position in thr company (in the family). As culty as her dad was, i could see Helley R being groomed from childhood by her father to be the one to enact this part of theil Kier (sp?) Grand Plan.
There’s definitely a creepy family dynamic at the center of this. Whatever “kiers children” means I think it’s going to be a big thing
its helly not haley, not that it matters ha.. I think they made "I found the baby guy" and honestly all the people we've met in the town except Rickon and marks sister intentionally seem almost like the severed workers while at work. the dinner party they are all weird, and the audience at the reading is super weird. Rebek (notable because it is a shortened name like our innie workers (helly helena, mark Marcus, irv Irving, **peg Margaret and that one comes from the Lexington letter** innie, Burt Bertram, not sure on dylan) says I need to change my name again. I think they did this to leave their options open for the writing, especially since they live in the town of Kiehr, to have a big reval about the town being completely severed or something later.. or maybe its even planned already
Thank you! Hardly anyone mentions how bizarre Ricken and his friends are and what that means about who they are/what's happened to them. I'm intrigued...
I also wonder how Devon and Ricken got together because Devon seems cool and Ricken... well.
hey guys, idea....... they dont know what the outside is like . they have only lived in the basement of severance and dont know what a car is....... thats why he couldn't drive or didn't know what driving was . remember they are essentially children who have never left that basement! wanted to share that with you guys !!!!
Cobel wanted Mark to quit because there would be no way that she could be tied to his wife still being alive, if that makes sense. She had her own reasons to finding out if Mark could recognize his dead wife is still alive.
I think Irv is a Lumon hit man they do have diffrent settings they can use on severed people
At the gala she calls her "my sister", on the video tape: "you are not a person" 😪
Yeah, that was definitely an eerie moment -- and telling of how they likely really feel about their 'family'.
Hi. It’s not Haley, rather it’s Helly…like hell….Helena. Great show.
Thank you!!!
Where did you guys even get Hayley from? Just curious.🧐
We're jumping from show-to-show all over the place -- it gets to be a bit to juggle. We kept wanting to say "we can't wait for season 3!" because we're used to saying that for Raised by Wolves...when this is obviously going to be Season 2 for Severance. ;)
That makes sense! Anyway, I loved your overall review and look forward to hearing from you for Season 2!😄
I think Mark reintegrates before this show ends
why did that bohemian rhapsody segment look so weird was it a spoof
Haha, well we most definitely didn't plan it...so yeah -- pretty much. ;)
@@AsArt oh man I didn't know that was you all I'm sorry you guys are awsome.
Hahah, oh wait nevermind...I didn't realize what Nick did!! That was a project Nick did back when he was in school...he was Wayne -- and I was Garth! So yeah, that's us green screened into the real shots from the movie, haha! ;)
dylan gets to go home, them keeping him isn't an option they'd be fucked. his innie could be clean slated, I'm expecting all our main characters to be clean slated at start of season 2 but the outtie still gets to live his life, thats the pitch of severance and that is why punishment never causes any physical damage
It's a VW Golf
Or rather a VW Rabbit…’White Rabbit” get it? Alice in wonderland:-)
Considering it's condition, she's definitely not raking in the dough. Get that lady a fixed up Golf; she's saving your company!!!
yeah, the thing with the guy who found the baby was just to show that he is annoying, and just for laughs.
Yeah, that's kind of what I recall of him...just kind of odd in that regard.