Finally, I Sold My Giant TCR (but WHY did it take so long!?)
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I had my Giant TCR Advanced SL frame, with Shimano Ultegra, and Giant SLR01 wheels listed for sale for 51 days. While some people may not feel that is a very long time, I have some interesting context to share, regarding previous bike selling experience. Notably with many Specialized Tarmac's I have owned in the past. Even a Specialized Venge.
In this video, I will share information reading Giant and the popularity of TCR's and narrow in a reason why it took me much longer than expected to sell my bike. An interesting consideration for anyone looking to buy and sell Giant TCR's.
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Hi Cam,
Firstly, thanks for the purchase. I’ll give you some backstory as to why I chose this bike to buy. When the TCR first came out in this frame set, I always loved the look and most importantly the weight.
I previously owned a Propel with an ISP and when I saw this for sale I had no hesitations. All I had to do was get some spacers from giant for 35$ and raise the seat 2cm to fit my leg length.
Finally, as I mentioned , I had sold my previous P5 and Propel as I wanted to fund my wife’s triathlon ambitions with a new P-series TT bike. Due to illness over the past few years I’ve been hesitant to drop a bundle on a expensive bike only to be sidelined all over again. This is the perfect price point for a performance bike that I can train on locally or race every now and then if need be.
Thanks again for the bike, it’s everything I need, and I’m clearly visible on the road now!!
Tom.
Thanks for sharing mate, and glad you found the channel! Just pinned your comment at the top. Cheers, Cam
to MR Tommypoe ---> hey i just bought TCR Advanced pro 2020 in Europe and all i can say is that i am happy with my new bike, just like you say that bike is all that i need. It is great for climbing and super fast on the road also it has a lot of comfort while riding so i enjoy my new Giant TCR. You made a great buy and you will enjoy a lot with this bike.
Hi Tom what's the smallest spacer you can get for the ISP
I had a Giant TCR with ISP in 2006.....one of the best bikes I have ever ridden even to today. Sold it eventually without too many hassles although it will always be a complication Vs normal seat post. The TCR just down from the flagship ISP model is the answer if you don’t want an ISP - TCR Advanced Pro......basically same bike with normal seat post . Awesome machine
Totally agree, ISP is just not user friendly at all. There a line where more performance, less weight or whatever gain doesnt compensate for how practical thing are. Another example would be pressfit vs threaded bottom bracket.
I just sold a Cannondale Synapse carbon rim brake in 1 day. Demand is there for used bikes but ISP is a sales killer. When you sell your bike, your potential buyers are limited to people with your saddle height or less. People don't want to cut their frames and ISP is integral to the frame. Standard seatposts come in huge ranges of up/down and fore/aft adjustment options, unlike seat mast toppers.
I would never buy a bike with an integrated post. I'm not a pro and don't need that stiffness.
Even the Pinarello F12 Dogma, a close to $10k frame has an adjustable seat post. I don’t buy into Giants argument. But I do like the look...
Giant released the 2021 models of TCRs about 5 weeks ago and giant have a carbon composite confidence warranty . Ride It. Race It. Don’t Worry About it: We’ve Got You Covered. And last is probably the ISP seat post but you can buy a seat clamp or spacers to get the right height.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG.
I bought the exact same '16 TCR advanced SL and LOOOOOVVEEE it to bits, in fact i get ppl who have 2020 Giant TCR's coming over to squiz at mine, all i can guess is it must be the colour or the ISP!
Love your stuff Cam.
Thanks for haring mate, and also the further support you provide to the channel! Cheers, Cam
Also, the 2021 TCR just came out (although GVA has been seen with it pre COVID) and it's a brand new version of the bike (the 9th iteration in the TCR's history).
Yes, good point
when you want it to go bang... it goes BANG...BANGGGGGGGGGGG
Color, Race Geometry, Fork Already Cut Low, and its a Giant (great brand, but many view it as a mainstream brand that lacks character), ISP as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate. Cam
I’ve just switched to 165mm crank lengths on recommendation of a bike fit and I’ve become a lot more efficient. It’s stopped my hip getting tight on longer rides so I’m able to go faster for longer
Me too. After years of riding 170mm cranks I switched to 165mm on the advice of an orthopaedic surgeon who is also a roadie. The reason was that I now have had both hips replaced and was getting a bit of pain on longer rides. His rationale was to limit hip extension and extension. Seems to have worked and also the occasional spot of knee niggle has disappeared. Amazing what a difference a couple of mm will make.
absolute Lee moment
How quickly you sell the bike is simply down to supply and demand and also price. You can sell a bike a quick as you want for the right price.
I have issues selling bikes because of my size. I'm 5'4 so my frames are xsmall. If it was at least a medium no problem.
Love the color scheme on my 2018 Giant TCR ADVANCE DISK KOM
Black/orange.
Thanks for sharing Dom
Trek is doing the same with the seatposts.
About taking a longer period of time for selling your bike: I think there are proably more reasons:
- overwhelming variety of offers in bikestores
- ppl. who can afford to pay for a more advanced bike could prefer a new one or prefer a bike with less kilometers/miles on.
Fair call
it's always a pleasure to see your videos! Greetings from Bauru-São Paulo-Brazil.
I just purchased a TCR Pro 1 2020 because of your videos. Super happy with the bike, today had the first ride (80 km) and it is stiff, comfortable and climbs very well, don't know if it is because of the entusiasm of the new bike!!!! Thanks for your videos. Cheers from San Juan, Argentina
Awesome to hear, and you'll love it. Great bike.
No worries mate! I'm on it. I've sent the sectional profile of the ISP of the new 2021 TCR staight to Darimo. The plan? They'll produce a D shaped seatpost for the TCR that will bring it very close to ISP weights.
I don't think the ISP is that bad, because if you consider the bike size, probably 70~80% of people in the same size will be in the range of the ISP system, I believe is some buyers are just too worry about the small changing rage of the ISP and problems they will face while reselling
I had a very similar experience selling my 2017 TCR! I had the advanced pro 1 model that has an adjustable seat post. A few superficial scratches but everything was purely cosmetic. I had about 15 "interested" buyers who asked everything from "would you sell it without the wheels?" To "I'll give you $500 for it today" and finally sold it for my asking price 7 weeks after listing it. Super easy, buyer rode it around the parking lot and paid right then and there. Cheers to bigger and better things!
Interesting to hear Gabriel, thanks for sharing. Cam
Just FYI, I’m 5’9, 175cm with stocky legs. Changed to 165 cranks recently and noticed immediately the gearing difference (less leverage so its like extra tooth or two on front ring) and extra comfort riding in drops (less knee rise, more room). Both are good for me and, according to my Strava times, make me a fraction faster.
Interesting l! Thanks for sharing James
Yup, ISP. One reason I got a Breadwinner Lolo instead of a Speedvagen.
Yes, I wouldn't touch an ISP with a fifty foot stick. Two main reasons:
1. I tend to be a 'fiddler' making minor adjustments to saddle and seat post height 2. Travel. Packing up the bike in a bike bag for flying. I have an Evoc bag. An ISP would be impossible.
A few side notes:
I don't take my latest greatest very expensive disc bike travelling. There's no way it's going on a plane. I take my tried, tested and loved Cervelo R3 mechanical drive train and rim brake for that purpose. I think having a travel bike is a thing
2. I had a Fuji track bike years ago with an ISP. I hated it. It was so annoying and ended up with a Cervelo. Which will stay with me forever I'd say.
Interesting to hear Procter, thanks for sharing on the thread. Cam
@@CamNicholls, I think someone picked up a damn fine bike for that price with your Giant though. It's a lot of bike for the $.
Nope, Giant isn't gonna do it. It's good if their flagship frames are hard to sell with the ISP, that means probably more new TCR ADV SL frames bought brand new if there are no pre-owned ones that suits the saddle height of the rider, or some would just downgrade to ADV PRO. Either way, its good for them.
Really enjoyed the video Cam as usual, and the piano music adds in a big way! Second hand, all this ISP worry creates a tremendous value proposition for those of us too cheap to purchase at retail price! Buy low sell low lol. Another glass half full benefit is lack of post slip! BAAANG is right, the SL just rips!
Cheers Emery!
Giant do make a TCR Advanced without the ISP. It is the PRO model. Which is cheaper too. I haven't compared like for like in a shop, but I believe as you mentioned the SL models are supposed to be stiffer and lighter than the PRO models. Possibly cheaper carbon layup process in the PRO models also.
Thanks for the video Cam!
Yep, I have changed my saddle a few times, each saddle had up to a 10mm difference in height translating to a seat post change. In fact, I tinker with the seat height all the time. There is no way a ISP would work for me.
John Citizen There is 2.5 cm of adjustment in an isp. So would definitely work for you. And there is also a 4.5 cm adjustment available
Do you know what the spacer increments are. Thanks
@@dickieblench5001 No sorry, that's a question for Peak Torque. He rides an ISP and had fabricated jigs etc for cutting them. Probably the better person to ask.
I'm the exact opposite of you. I buy 1 bike at a time and keep it for ages! And yeah, I'd never buy a bike with an ISP...it would freak me out knowing I'm stuck at that saddle height FOR...EV...ERRR.
Was surprised it was the ISP but makes sense. Having your staffie in the video was a definite improvement to your videos. That and the quirky things you add in like the VB tune etc sets you apart from other cycling RUclips videos and is a good laugh mate 🙌🏼
Cheers mate 👍
I went from 172.5 to 165 on Tri bike and would only ever go shorter if I was to change. I'm 180cm tall. In the aero position it just feels so much better. Theres limited research into differences in crank length but it all seems to say that theres no downside in going all the way to 140mm, certainly when you consider you can likely get more aero. It opens up the hip angle also meaning less tight hip flexors. That would be more of an issue for triathletes running off the bike than for pure cyclists. I now have 165, 170 and 172.5 on 3 different bikes and its no really an issue going between them.
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing Kevin
Giant big in Oz due to proximity to Tawain and the dollar exchange rate. Also having worked with Giant for a number of years amongst other brands I feel that Australian riders are less snobbish and given the proximity of European brands and the escalating cost of other brands. ISP always has and always will delay sales unless you find a clone of yourself in terms of fit....and out of interest who has the warranty on this bike as I recall you bought this second hand?
Hi Cam
It was me that told Joey that you are using our vital greens products
I hope you will enjoy our products
Cheers
Pete
Nice one Pete, thanks for doing that. Very kind of you! Hopefully she does not hear that I said ‘Jesse’ right at the end 🤣
Hey Cam
Joey is a very lovely lady
Cheers
Pete
Peter Thomson yes I am sure! I did say Joey initially but accidentally said Jesse afterwards. So I hope she didn’t hear that! I sent the video and thanked her again earlier today! 👍
Piano music works 60% of the time every-time. Keep it coming Cam.
I had the opportunity to buy a LOOK 795 Aerolight at a good price. But at the last minute I flinched! I think it is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made, but it has so many strange, specific, proprietary parts, (including the seatpost) that I was afraid of getting a lemon!
Isp is the reason I settle with Tcr advanced model as the frame material is the same as advanced pro with a little bit narrower steerer tube. And with all the practicality with removable seatpost.
SL has stiffer lay up
Ebay has several giant frames for sale. They are all less than $350, but there is no isp mast or forks. You cannot even find the vector or seat post topper. The frames are basically useless!
Thanks for sharing Ed
Agreed the ISP is a pain in the arse which is why I went for the Advanced Pro frame that has a traditional seat post. If you’re confident in your fit though it does mean there are bargains to be found on the ISP models as you’ve shown. Great bike for an amazing price.
Good points Rob, cheers 👍
SL has stiffer lay up
Another quality informative video Cam. Loved the colour of the TCR👍
Cheers Bondy 👍
Damn. Did I hear that correctly? You sold the Giant for $2,200. I would've snapped that up asap. Where did you advertise it, Cam?
FB markets and Gumtree, also mentioned on the channel twice prior
Next to the piano music the crazy guy on the Giant was well worth watching!
I agree, just have adjustable seat post. Just got 2020 TCR and love it. Would love it less if had to mess with seat or when selling someday. Like ya videos brother. Peace be with you
Cheers Brian.
When I was shopping for bikes over the last few months, I specifically disregarded dealing with the giant ISP bikes. Too much for me to worry about, especially since I have a super long torso, I'd have to cut the ISP way short in comparison to the frame and eventually have a hard time selling it down the road. No surprise you struggled to sell the bike.
Thanks for sharing mate
I enjoyed the piano music, it added something to the video I can't really put my finger on it.
Agree. Cam, some of your previous music had my wife thinking I was watching p*rn on my phone! 😀 (Well, I kinda was but not the sort she suspected me of) Love the videos btw - often share them with cycling mates. Keep up the good work! 👍👍👍
Ive got a giant defy advanced with a d-fuse seat post and quite like it, not sure the trade off in stiffness/ weight but looks pretty good
Yup the ISP made the bike had to sell.. faced the same with my Cipollini RB1000.. No more ISP for me! Venge, Dogma and Tarmac easy to resell
Ever tried putting a large sized bike with an ISP into a travel bag or box? Never again.
Hah, I never even thought of that...and I almost bought a TCR a few years ago.
@@cup_and_cone It's just common sense (and it is also obvious that it's gonna be harder to resell). Also, there are TCR models without ISP.
@@Dee-Ell Seems like common sense, but it's easy to overlook for people who don't do much bike traveling and aren't breaking their bike down into travel bags/boxes regularly (and I'm sure local shops won't mention it in their sales pitch). I was willing to live with any resale on cutting the seat mast, figured I'd keep the bike for a few years anyway and I'd just sell the frameset for minimum cost. Ironically, I also looked at Trek Madone's/Domane's with ISPs and never thought about it.
Cyclists are always suspicious of used carbon bikes especially if they've been raced. There's always the right buyer though.
As for the shorter cranks I now ride 165 which has relieved me of niggling hip flexor issues. I've also had a bike fit from Neill when he was In Melbourne. He was the third fitter I had been to and could recommend him highly.
Fair points Rick. Thanks for sharing
Cam, fun video. Could I make a suggestion? How about an updated "Bikes of the Bunch" - spotlight on bikes from folks you ride and race with in Australia.
Good idea. I’ll keep my eyes peeled
ISP for sure and add this to the fact that Giant heavily discounts new bikes. This impacts negatively on resale price of second hand bikes
I think this is a good thing for those wanting to pick up a bargain. Imagine coming across a heavily discounted bike that was new, did fit you (others discarded due to the ISP, but the cut was fine for you) and was fast and light... this is what I managed to do in 2015, and I have been riding it for 4 years. My circumstances mean I could not buy a $10,000 bike, but I did manage to get one that originally cost that much (was 1 year old at time of purchase) for $2200.
I wish giant would use the SL grade carbon and create a new model that sits between advanced pro and SL and get rid of the ISP on that model
A bought a second hand propel with an ISP and its stressful buying second hand not wanting to get stuck with a seat post that doesn't work. You are right without it it just makes it easier. Doesn't Lee T get his bikes for free. I'll scream to the rafters how a good a bike is as well if I don't have to pay for it. lol
Haha! Not sure about that but he does seem to love them.
I am definitely sure it would have been the ISP.. I can maybe see a benefit if it is a sponsored bike and you hand it back at the end of a season, or you never intend on selling the bike.
I once owned an isp giant frame too. Never again for the same reason. You and I bought the wrong frame.
Well done on the sale Cam. Looking to buy something else? Man can't have enough bikes you know! I just had all my 1x components put on a TCR SL frame which I got cheap. Great spare bike now. If the BMC is a Rolls Royce.....the TCR is a Ferrari! 😉😉 Cheers Peter
Awesome mate, that's a great fleet you've now got. For now, I am just trying to get rid of the C2. Then I'll start sniffing around. Cam
every Cam video intro ever: im gonna start by breaking this video into 2 main parts ...
John P haha! The last four Friday videos to be exact!
Buy advanced pro 0 (no isp) upgrade to dura-ace. Profit? I personaly don't think the bike brand change much. I own a propel defy and tcr because they are the best value around. I still have my old Tarmac and its still pretty good too even if I rarely take it off the trainer. Anyway change bike every year if you feel like it we all have our issues (I'm a bike hoarder I lost count 15+)
Good points Bob 👍
Sorry for irrelevant question, but can i ask you a question?
When you adjust saddle tilt, how do you tighten or loose the “front” knob(or screw) if you use non cut-out saddle?
It seems like allen key cant reach in there if you don’t use cut-out saddle.
Do you just use thumb to tighten it?
Is it possible to tight it enough, if you want a nose-down (tilt) saddle position?
Id really appreciate for the reply.
For me it would have come down to the rim brakes. My bikes are all disc versions now and I would never go back to a rim brake, even I purchased a low end commuter.
Fair call, thanks for sharing
May i asked is it ok to slam the tcr? I have 2013 model. What will be the pros and cons on doing this. Hope you notice thanks
Can you comfortably reach the drops slammed. That’s the main question. Then The biggest issue is resale
Lee aka the Paul Keating of road cycling. Need the piano music after that effort
Hahahaha Keating is my hero :-)
I knew it when you first mentioned it took you 51days to sell it. Mine took almost 5 months to sell. ISP...."No resale, no problem" People are intimidated by it. I loved my TCR, but I had a lot of people look at it, but they would tell me that if it didn't have the ISP. Those that were aware, had me with s measuring tape in my hand too. Funny thing is the guy that bought mine did the same thing your buyer did, but 5 months?! I'll get a non-ISP TCR next time around
Thanks for sharing on the thread Terrence
So the launch of the new 2021 TCR had nothing to do with the low interest of your 2016 model?
Maybe
@@CamNicholls good videos though Cam, good content.
When you said ISP I thought you were going to blame Telstra
Haha! I was tempted
That Chapter2 bike is so pretty I wanted to buy it from Cam even though I don't have 5.500 aud and I live in the Netherlands.
TCR Pro, no ISP. Job done.
Except the SL lay up is stiffer
I'll bet you'll like the 165 cranks, I ordered my Specialized Venge Pro (size 54) and opted for the 170 cranks vs the standard 172.5 cranks. Knee pain is gone! I wish I had tried the 165's, but don't know if SRAM had them. BTY, I liked your fitting video, will he travel to Hawaii?
SRAM definitely has those.
Probably if you pay the airfare and expenses.
Nice bike mount on the wall, my wife might allow mine in the apartment if I treat it like a wall art installation 😂
Haha!
Good Vid Cam. I reckon you nailed it ..... I love my TCR Pro.....doesn’t have the integrated post....would I sell it...yeah Nah
Specialized Aussie fanboys like yourself is the reason why it didn't sell.
People who buy TCRs tend to hold onto them. Spec fan boys swap bikes like no tomorrow. I'm sure you can see the disparity between high end Specs and TCRs on bicycle market.
And in slight contrast to my last point - Giant sell a larger range that hit bigger markets. That's why they sell the most bikes worldwide.
Haha! Specialized Aussie Fan Boy. Love it
You have one hell of a doggy the best in cycling vlogs
Haha! I just told him that 👍
yea its sad i have to make my own seat post becuz of the integrated proshitatary parts
It’s the integrated seat post. Major turn off for me.
For sure the ISP is a deal killer for me.
Love the soothing music!
Cheers Charles
Giant produces "the other brand" as well. So actually it is to no concern to them if you follow the "Specialized Tribe" ( and donate mor of your money to be a member/follower) or just want to own something SPECIAL. ;)
Merida make Specilaized bikes. And own 49% of the company. I think you have your wires crossed.
Nice Vid !
WOW!! Getting rid of the Rere already?! Any particular reason??
The video you did on that made me wanna switch from Specialized, but Chapter2 bikes aren’t found much in US... are you willing to ship to US?
I have a Chapter 2 Tere and the Ao. Contact Brett Lindstrom or Glory Cycles (glorycycles.com/road/)
Only reason is moving bikes on to keep the content fresh on the channel. Same reason for the Giant, and the BMC is already in the gun! Yes can do to the US but it will effect price
Tony Valdiconza THANKS!! Super helpful!!
@@christopherlarsen201 🤗
Since Specialized is effectively standing on the shoulders of Merida, and your adoration of Giant, you have a thing for Taiwanese manufacturing!
I’m cool with that 👍
Integrated seat post is a terrible idea
Yup spot on.
What bike is that in the background? Disc brakes
? 🤔
I should’ve watch the whole video before commenting 😂. That bike is bloody expensive
I think it was the color.
Different bottle cages on your BMC now ur tyre logos on the Chapter 2 dont line up with the valves. Are you a psychopath?
Man where do you post your bikes for sale? I would've bought it in a heartbeat Im in brissy
FB Market. I still have the C2 Rere
@@CamNicholls which one is that mate? can u link it?
Cam, come on, one cannot have enough bikes ;-)
Ummm don’t buy giant? Is this what you telling me, i have a new bike purchase coming up thanks for the advise
Nah, Giant TCR's are great. Just know it might be a slight pain to sell, when the day comes.
Cam Nichols : has an integrated seatpost
Also Cam Nichols : needs to raise seapost to accommodate bikefitted cranks
Also also Cam Nichols : buys too many bikes
Buying that many bikes would have been a mental problem indeed. But he has a RUclips channel to feed. So it makes sense.
I trust this won't be the last time we ll be seeing this bike 🤣
oh dear Cam did you know that a purchase a Giant just because you purchase one and at the time you seem to enjoy the bike. Mine is a Defy though. So far i like it. Now about that seat post you were talking about i read the same story elsewhere and some other owners have had some strange experience with it. So now that you have sold your Giant..i might as well do the same thing ?...naah i'm not ready yet... look at this ruclips.net/video/BDd_pq0dyL4/видео.html Cheers from Montreal Quebec !!
Haha! It’s a great bike mate! I just need to keep them ticking over for the channel.
The isp is a pain in the a$$ and there really is no good reason for it. It was first designed on a bike by Vanilla to run a brake cable through for a canti brake...
Was your GIANT the SL0 frameset? If so, that was a bargain!!
Yep!
thats a cute little TV Cam :p
Mate I still think it was the colour LoL 😊
RIP CCC.
Good video. The piano music is annoying and distracting. I like piano music, have a piano, and play...but in the context of this video, it detracts (imho).
Howcome you buy and sell so quickly, get to know your bike before you dump??! ♥ 😊
Need to keep the content fresh Pete!
Hey can would you consider selling the zipps. I'm also based out of Canada. Let me know if that's okay if not then no worries :).
No, sorry it would be the complete bike
@@CamNicholls No worries Cam, thank you for the reply.
Don't know about you. But my propels seat post is ugly, weighs a ton and flexes all over the place.
Oh wait no that's the complete opposite.