The idea that people need hardship to overcome or else they won't seek to make something out of themselves seems so absurd considering that the vast majority of successful entrepreneurs and professionals come from relatively wealthy backgrounds with financial security.
@@RevolutionaryThinking There are plenty of articles about how most millionaires are self-made. I will be soon and so are the other millionaires I know. None of us grew up with money, and I certainly did not
One thing I love about UBI even though I only think it's a partial solution it's that it normalises that people deserve a good basic living standard regardless of what they decide to do with their life
Absolutely. This is exactly my stance. UBI is a half-assed solution, but it's a meaningful step in the right direction in that it gives people a taste of what we can accomplish if we handle our affairs more wisely and prioritize human life and value in our economy the things we value as people.
Ideally, basic necessities would be guaranteed outright, work would not be done under coercion, and nobody would own the business except those who are doing the work... but UBI is a good place to start.
One of the problems I always worried about with ubi is predatory landlords. Anyone who rents would just see their rents raised by exactly the ubi amount. You’d definitely have to take steps to prevent that
adam c You can put legislation, but landlords will definitely tacitly raise the rents without mentioning UBI and citing all kinds of reasons. It will be close to impossible to detect that
I'm sure in some cases this would happen, however I would like to think that a strong legal framework could be enacted that would help prevent the majority of landlords from doing that. As to the specifics of that framework that would be for people far more intelligent than me to work out (I'm not a legal expert lol)
"The idea that our natural state is to 'work for a wage' is a perversion of the understanding of existence." 2:27. "If we can decouple human value from wage labor we'll have a much richer understanding of what it means to be human" 3:01 These were said quickly, almost in passing but hit deeply. Agree!
AMEN!!!! And I do believe that mental illnesses will decline with UBI. I have always been about capitalism.... but as I age and gain “wisdom” .... I can step back and open my mind and believe in humanity as to what our souls need to thrive. We have all these mental set backs today and stigma that goes along with it. Eg; autism, ADHD, BPD, all types of depression, anxiety etc..... yes, there is some genetics that account for these, but I believe that’s is merely due to programming our minds as to how we are raised, and environment(parents) distilling in us “how our life is suppose to be”
The effect ubi would have on the mental health of the population as a whole would be staggering. It would also reduce crime. It's an all round great idea. People will still work because the income is basic. It covers necessities. People will still always want nicer things. People would work to drive a better car, live in a better home, eat better food, wear better clothing, for many different reasons. The amount of people who arent concerned with these things would be miniscule, by my estimation. Even those who are content living on the basic amount will be driven to work and create in some fashion. Few people are satisfied with doing nothing all the time. They will develope hobbies, create art and music, volunteer, and any number of other worthwhile endeavors
ya that sentence didn't mention wages going up at all throughout the years.witch you are luckily if you get 2 too 5 percent for medical. labor in the united states pays workers low.
@@LukeMcGuireoides In general, we do not need incentive to work, yes maybe to serve, but not be productive in our natural state. Now, of course, society and people by and large are manipulated and data misrepresents so this may not be apparent or a current state of affairs. We are creative beings and idleness is depressing for the most part. We wouldn't pick up hobbies and sports on our own time with no compensation if true that we need incentive. Yes, maybe incentive to be a servant or labor at the advantage of a power figure, but that's when wages or other forms of payments would kick in for the people who want more.
I was unemployed for few monts, and I worked more than when I was employed - I studied, I wrote and read poetry, I helped friends with their work, and I engaged in political activism.
The cost of UBI is misleading, most of the money given goes straight into the economy and because of something which is called ‘the multiplier effect' where each dollar put in through UBI, contributes around $1.3 to the economy because it flows through economy multiple times.
Yes!!! Unlike when they give tax cuts to the wealthy it just goes in to stock repurchases and saving. Super rich don’t spend money, they can’t spend enough in comparison to what people who need it could and would do with it
Excellent! I hate that people really dont understand how our economy works! We could all flourish instead of struggle. And that would create more prosperity. For everyone.
we need ubi for those pepole. And for the ideots who say its too expencive, i would like to point out the 3 richest men in th country ow more money than the bottem half
@@ethanpappas2502 how the fuck are you going to pay all of those with a ubi? Print more money? You can't create more money if there aren't more people working.
@@EliKirkMusic first off whach your lagudge. Second off tax the weathy. The top 3 americans own more money than the bottem half. So please exuse me for caring more about 60 million unemployed than jeff bexo's bank account
The argument for UBI first goes: "You can't get the population thinking about long term problems like climate change if they are preocupied with short term crisis like rent and food."
There's no silver bullet, but it will definitely help. As Andrew Yang says, if people had the economic boot of their throats, we can be more environment conscious. If 76% are living paycheck to paycheck, you really think they care about icebergs melting? They're trying to survive themselves.
Actually Star Trek depicts a resourced based economy, which is an economy that exist without money. In fact the only time in Star Trek history we hear about credits is when dealing with worlds outside of the federation, or with certain resources that are scarce or need to be regulated. A American futurist Jaques Frisco came up with this economy 80 years ago, and was honored several years ago by the United Nations for his efforts one year before his death at the age of 100.
@@schm147 communism would include the abolition of hierarchies, so Star Trek, with it's federal government and ranked military isn't communist. I do like that it's occasionally referred to as gay space communism, because it's getting at the idea of an egalitarian society.
This was a really good take. I'm definitely for anything that encourages people to follow their dreams without the anxiety of wondering if you're going to eat or sleep in a bed tomorrow.
Me too ..however people will always bring up all the negatives...without bringing up all the negatives that we all have been accustomed to living of course. We live backwards I swear
I think if UBI were to become a thing, we’d see an influx of new inventions, business and progress in society. I think that will be the product of UBI because I know a lot of people feel they don’t have time to do anything they like because they “work”
The biggest problem with UBI and other reformist ideas is that it doesn't remove capitalism. Any concession like UBI given to us by the bourgeoisie can and will eventually be reversed. You can see this in Europe, where as soon as the threat of the Soviet Union went away, all these previously social democratic governments started doing austerity, removing the achievements of the the past century. We need to completely remove the bourgeoisie from power if we want to prevent that. That's why UBI won't really work imo and why we need socialism.
just food? how the fuck did you type this then? you obviously have access to computer, electricity and internet. You are pretty rich dude. What are you talking about? I bet you have even more than that, you probably have access to water, indoor toilet and even public transportation. Stop whining and look how ACTUAL poor people live in rural Siberia or something, none of these things are available for them
@@sten260 I've got some savings too. I think I should be getting 30k a year at least not 20k. I stopped smoking as much and saved like 3k in a few months.
@@tristanbulluss9386 good, remember the numbers doesn't even matter. Even if you make 100x less than somebody else your living standards are pretty similar. All the important stuff like electricity, water, heating, internet, phones etc are cheap and available to pretty much anybody. So why do you even need a lot of money? It's just for the cosmetics, it doesn't raise your living standard all that much.
Despite the fact that Yang is ideologically deficient in many areas, I'm glad that he brought the UBI discussion back to the mainstream in recent times.
Jared Moreno you DO realize that there are even ultrarich entrepreneurs which support this idea? Why? Because they can think. Nothing expands for eternity, except cancer. It expands until the host breaks. Like something the video talks about.
Hi Second Thought: I'm a fan of yours. I have two videos ideas: 1. The two-party system and the existance of third parties. 2. The U.S non incoporated territories and why they can't vote for the president (even though they're U.S citizens) and haven't become states (like Puerto Rico) 3. The ellectoral college. 4. The U.S education system. 5. The U.S overconsumerism. The second one being to me and others important since I'm puertorrican
@@Nachemon Multi-party systems are essentially the norm everywhere in the world. It shouldn't be difficult to find a truck load of info on it. CGP Grey has done videos and podcast episodes (Hello Internet) on several voting systems, including run-off.
@These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends I just found out about this recently too, someone was talking about how a lot of people are moving to Puerto Rico because - you know the saying - no taxation without representation. Since you can't vote, you also don't have fed tax. People are deciding to give up their ability to vote to avoid taxes lol
There's a lot of scary things in the world right now that feel like they could lead to various types of dystopia. But I gotta say, the possibility of technology and automation soon becoming advanced enough that we can live in a world with UBI always makes me happy. It'll be a hard path to take, but someday we'll get there.
UBI is an interesting concept, but it could have been unnecessary. Remember in the video "America's overwork obsession", he stated that in the 1960s many families only needed one bread-winner in the family and now with two most families can barely scrape by despite Americans being 4x more productive today. That shift happened in the 1970s when Nixon took us off the gold standard and massive inflation took place. Inflation destroyed the purchasing power of Americans because the costs of everything went up faster than salaries did. If we never made the mistake of going off the gold standard and thus preventing massive inflation, then all Americans would have a higher purchasing power and a higher quality of life. Not only could we still have a sole bread-winner but he/she could even work part time because of the increase in productivity and still support the entire household. Then they would have more time to pursue their interests in the arts, sciences or whatever they desire.
@@bighotchip4231 Inflation isn't inherently bad, in a matter of fact it can be viewed as a wealth inequality reduction, but that would require wages to go up with the inflation, which isn't the case. So for exemple, a 10% inflation a year would need a 10% increase in wage, meaning that if you actively work, you will gain the same amount of value year after year, tho it kinda fucks up saving so you would need a centralized saving account (that has some sort of maximum saving limit) that also follows the inflation.
@@bighotchip4231 Yeah, that'd be pretty rad too. But now imagine the economy of that era with highly advanced automation and technology added into the mix as well. It seems possible we could support families without jobs, and families with them could live rather extravagantly. I think that hopeful reality is quite a far ways away, though, sadly.
"Yet there is no country and no people, I think, who can look forward to the age of leisure and of abundance without a dread. For we have been trained too long to strive and not to enjoy." - Keynes
@@smithnwesson990 pasting a comment from above that I think may help you look at it from a different angle. Phil: "The idea that people need hardship to overcome or else they won't seek to make something out of themselves seems so absurd considering that the vast majority of successful entrepreneurs and professionals come from relatively wealthy backgrounds with financial security. " Side note: Even if you still don't agree with something like UBI, there's still the well documented issue that wages (adjusted for inflation) have been stagnant for quite some time.
Star Trek has “credits” because they use them for dealing with other civilizations and species that still use money even though they themselves don’t use money. 👌
I can’t even imagine not having to slave away at a job I hate and what an amazing thing it would be to be able to dedicate my time to helping others and doing things I like. The fact that people are against it is gross.
Jose Estigarribia I say let robots do the crap jobs people don’t want to do and give people UBI. All those cashier jobs, waitress jobs etc could be done by a robot and would probably be better because customers are jerks and robots don’t have feelings.
I got a disability pension a few years ago so l stopped having to work. The first couple of years l drank quite a bit but nonetheless pretty much immediately l started reading more books and watching more documentaries. After a couple of years l stopped drinking so much (arguably l was drinking to ease the trauma of losing years of my life to wage slavery and getting completey burned out) and started help with animals welfare which to me is frankly wierd because society was always telling me l would just squander my time. I don't wake up every day shouting for joy but yeah it's a significant, and sometimes even huge improvement on my quality of life. Probably more than l realise.
You can do that now. I got my job after doing work experience with insects and I love my job. My boss made my work place after finishing his qualifications and starting his own business. He dedicates his time to helping others and doing things he likes and he is able to live off it.
As a trekkie; let me explain. The economic system varies. In the Original series was very influenced by Gene Roddenberry (the creator) was a maoist. The introduction of a credit system of exchange was meant to be used for exchange between humans/Starfleet and their allies during the Next Generation, also the introduction of matter replicators. In DS9, Ben Sisko´s father owns a restaurant on earth where there isn´t a need to sell his food, but rather he does because he likes to cook and gives the food to the people that want it. However in Star Trek Voyager, the crew of the ship traded goods and services for replicator-rations, the replicators used large amounts of energy that was limited by the need to travel 70,000 light years. Much of the communist economics were not very present in Star Trek shows as of the start of Star Trek Discovery, and almost completely abandoned in Star Trek Picard.
@@gamesilike4984 It's from star trek beyond, the introduction to the Yorktown starbase. Beyond is one of the three reboot movies, which the community is split upon (they are more action-focused than classic trek shows). I personally liked it.
If there was a UBI in the US, I would be able to work my passion without having to worry about "moving up" so I can support a family or buy a house, etc. I have been working with adults with developmental disablities for almost a decade (I've also worked with autistic children as a behavior tech, teachers aid, and camp counselor). I have moved into working at an office for student exchange, as it provides more upward ability and pays better. But if I could do one job for the rest of my life, it would be hands on caregiving for developmentally disabled adults. Unfortunately, most of the actual hands on jobs pay minimum wage - and I don't want to be a manager or case worker who works from an office with limited time with clients (no offense to those who do those jobs - they're super important!!!) I just love doing to hands on stuff. Anyways, sorry the ramble - I would just love if I could do what I love and still be guaranteed a living wage. unfortunately caregivers just aren't valued enough for the work they do - but that's a whole other ramble! 😜
We all want to do what we love. We need ubi to accomplish this. Your rant is what everyone wants to do but they think it’s going to hurt us, when it would vastly improve human life and people could literally invent and make us even better.
If it wasn't for the capitalists we could all have free energy and more right now thanks to Tesla. But capitalism kills true innovation so instead Tesla died unappreciated and the CIA confiscated his brilliant ideas.
Dope Ragu, what you're doing in student exchange is one of the things that has always excited me. I have never been able to find an opportunity to work in the field, and I'm in my 60s.
Trekkie here. _You explained it pretty well:_ Star trek's federation economy is not clearly shown, but there exist hints of both socialist and capitalist components in their economic system. It should also be noted that the federation in star trek is shown over multiple centuries of progress, so *temporal changes in the economic system are possible/likely.* Additionally *there is still scarcity by definition, since not everything can exist in infinite abundance.* The federation is only really post-scarcity in some sectors of their economy, like food supply (thanks to replicators) and even in these sectors distant colonies do not always have easy access to the vast amounts of energy and resources available in the core member world (earth, vulcan, etc.), which leads to a major political crysis when in the late 24th century.
Somebody once said that capitalism and socialism, each by itself, is like a bicycle with one wheel -- possible, but ever unstable. The implication was that both are necessary and complementary.
@@sassy0010 Yeah a liberal politician who was trying to discredit his socialists opponents said that lmao just because someone said something a long time ago doesn't mean that it is true or has any particular wisdom to it. That line is full of shit and is just an attempt to try to hide the fact that capitalism is an utterly bankrupt system that's actively leading to the demise of human civilization.
I think its sad that working a 9 to 5 has been embedded in peoples heads so heavily that they don't know what they would do if they weren't working a 9 to 5 Edit: im glad my comment was able to spark a lot of debating and contribution to the argument. Let me elaborate what I think people should be doing if they weren't working for someone else... work for yourself! What do you like to do? Personally, I want to go to Japan some day. I want to be fit and bulkier. I also want to make money in what I love for a living (making music for film and games and writing stories). With all this being said, if i did not have to spend time working a 9 to 5, i would work out everyday, write a song or produce some music, and practice my Japanese. I already do these things when I'm not working but I can't dedicate too much time to them because I need to come back to reality. The truth is that i don't have time to always work out, the chances of me making a steady income off my music are slim, and who knows if ill ever be able to save up enough money to ever go to Japan. Basically, I (and people as a whole) have less time on their hands to actually live but it makes no sense. As a society, ubi should be one if not our main priority. Without ubi, people have no time to be creative and when people cannot be creative, our society becomes stagnant. I believe stagnant societies lead to collapse. Now some might say "if everyone had a decent income and weren't bound by financial instability, we wouldn't have work done in certain areas of the workplace". My answer to that is whatever you are interested in, others will be too. For example, there are people who like the culinary arts. We should connect jobs to schools. In this case, it would be alright working at a restaurant because you want to work in food. There is little to no connection to the workplace and schools right now leaving lots of graduates on their own. I went a little off topic talking about problems related towards the disconnection between schools and jobs but i think ubi can certain help with these issues as well because people will be financially free to work for companies that share their interests without worrying about losing a home. People with still be able to earn money but everything else will be extra.
They'll learn. Our world has changed a lot since the 9-5 factory work was first invented, I mean hell we got used to the internet and social media companies stealing our data and using it to sell us shit that we dont need, so compared to all that, getting used to living without a 9 - 5 job shouldnt be a tall order. Plus like he said, it's not the end of work, it's just the end of people NEEDING to get any job just to survive.
I work 13.5 hour shifts and get paid around 150 pounds for that shift. So I earn 600 a week 2400 a month. Etc... I work because I like it and it pays more bills, mortgage and provides plenty of happiness.
@@fourlamb1 that's not a living wage though tbh. That's what's f'd up about our economy. U can slave for the money and make pennies compared to someone who owns a business and does maybe a quarter of what you do and makes millions or billions. Yet they can't pay you a living wage
UBI also begins to equalize the power between employee and employer. Suddenly, with basic needs met, people don't NEED to work an awful retail job. This, in turn, would force these companies to pay higher wages and/or treat their workers much better than they currently do. Likewise, overpaid positions would be lowered as more people have the time and energy to apply themselves. Suddenly we see the poorest, most exploited individuals cost of living rise while the highest paid individuals are reigned in from exploiting the system. That doesn't solve the capitalist problem though. A system where profits are the only driving motivator is one that is antithetical to humanity. Capitalism doesn't care that it's causing catastrophic climate change. Capitalism doesn't care that many people are living existences of agony, both physically and mentally. Capitalism doesn't care about innovation. Capitalism doesn't care whether you can eat, sleep, have housing, clothing, can drink clean water, have clean air to breath, etc. The only thing Capitalism cares about is ensuring that Private Property, which is different from personal property (like conservatives dumb toothbrush strawman), enriches the owner as much as possible, everything else is secondary at best. Capitalism cannot exist in a just and humane world.
I completely disagree. The whole point of UBI is privatising welfare. Its taking the money that would be spent on huge government programs and giving it to the consumer who then can use it in the free market. You are completely wrong about capitalism. Of course capitalism cares about innovation. Innovation makes the cost cheaper and the profits higher. This makes the capitalist more money. Capitalism very much cares whether you can have the basic needs. The capitalist wants you to get the basic needs from them. The capitalist cannot live without the consumer. Property rights do not make distinctions between private property and personal property. If you own something, it is rightfully yours. Trying to abolish those rights will mean that personal property will be affected. You are right capitalism cannot exist in a just and humane world but the world isn't just and humane and it never will be.
Nooooooo way why do people think capitalism only exists in its purest form sweden and norway are both capitalist germany is capitalist and has the 3rd largest economy . The world is NOT the US
I largely agree with the human benefits of UBI as you expressed them, but I think it's important to consider how it might play out if the laissez-faire capitalist status quo is maintained. We could easily have a situation where UBI checks are gobbled up by landlords and the poor remain just as poor as they are today. Especially with proposals like Andrew Yang's that would cut other kinds of welfare (e.g. food stamps) as a deduction from the UBI payment, I'm worried that they might not meaningfully fix systemic poverty in the way we would hope. I think ultimately the answer is de-commodification of most of life's necessities like healthcare, education, food, and housing. Seeing the difficulty of that in the short term though, I think some version of UBI is probably the best interim solution. We just need to make sure it's implemented in a way that the intended recipients actually get to keep their benefits, instead of immediately going upstream and maintaining the existing wealth hegemony.
If landlords make more money per housing unit, they will invest in more housing and push down the price for more income. If they dont, other house owners will and compete them out of business.
@@BartJBols If landlords extract more money from their tennants they will buy more properties to rent driving house prices out of reach and forcing more people to rent thus maintaining demand. We already see this in many cities across the world.
Shame a law that would benefit so many people needs a "Don't Be Fucking Evil; It's Their Money, Not Yours, and Not An Excuse to Raise Rent or Mortgages" clause.
I really hope that UBI happens "working" in a soul crushing "job" is the biggest waste of life that anyone can think of. The so called protestant work ethic is long overdue for a re-think.
Its def the biggest cause of depression in America working these jobs and mandatory overtime. I recently got fired from my 9-5 job and am on unemployment now so I can study to get a better paying job. While I have not been working I have been the happiest Ive been in a long time and have time to do things and spend time with family and friends and time to study, exercise and better my self.
@bn stndrd Anything below $25-32 an hour in most of the USA would be considered slave wages. As the cost of living when adjusted for inflation at present for majority of the USA is between $25-32/hr. I won't be taking any jobs in the future ever again that pay below $27/hr personally. With the only exception being learning a new skill set. Such as a trade skill apprenticeship, as I view a new skill as far more valuable. So if they pay me $15/hr to learn a skill while getting paid that is temporary in order to learn the skill.
UBI would need to become a necessity once all the menial jobs inevitably get automated. but this would get heavily lobbied against by employers if the cost ot automate these jobs exceeds keeping ppl on them at current wages.
“We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” -Buckminster Fuller, 1970
Yep this idea of everyone having to work their 40 hour workweek is so ingrained in society. Where i live the government even subsidizes social work facilities so disabled people can still work 40 hour workweeks. Apparently everyone working 40 hours per week is the utopian end goal. And if you are not able to the government sends people to your house to make damn sure that no-one is supporting you financially, and you live in poverty. Because the idea of someone who can't work the 40 hour week living a dignified life without penny pinching and money stress, is not very socially accepted. What they don't get is that saving 100 dollar to make sure that these people only have the bare minimum bites them in the ass later on. These people that live in constant money stress will cost society so much more in the long run through stress induced mental illness. The whip can't be the only motivation anymore in 2021...
Well if we wanted to bring manufacturing back, then we need it, robots are more likely to take over manufacturing and a lot of people are unemployed not to mention the people unemployed from the pandemic.
While manufacturing is the obvious "victim" of automation, AI and increasingly smart and powerful software makes lots of office jobs unnecessary (just think of how many people were replaced by the calculating power of Excel).
It is a basic income or the rich hoarding all the money, no longer needing the workers. And with workers I also mean doctors, lawyers ect. Everyone who lives of a paycheck instead of his investments.
As far as I'm concerned, any argument to "bring back manufacturing jobs" is hollow. Regardless of the country, if the jobs left in the first place, there is a good reason for that. And there is no way they will ever return. Manufacturers may move where the manufacturing itself takes place, but the number of jobs for people is gone. Focus should be directed elsewhere.
@@adamgtrap The jobs left because other countries have shitty worker protection laws and wages. Factories can abuse the people there to their hearts content. The moment these factories can no longer mistreat these people they will move again. Having lost most manufacturing is also a matter of national defense. The western world is too depended on low wage production.
@@JeroenDoes the last thing you said is the important part, low wage production. Manufacturing jobs left because of lower manufacturing costs. There is no way they will come back if it's going to increase costs. That's why any talk of them coming back to give workers their jobs back is completely meaningless. You could even say the real reason slavery went away and hasn't had much push to bring it back is because gasoline and increased technology has lowered labor cost compared to slaves.
To the dude named "Boot Jew" Who left the wonderful message of "Thats what you get with the blacks" and then deleted it later. Your ideology is the past my friend. We either unite to create a better future or fight each other until this country burns to the ground. You may run back to your Q hole now.
There was a pretty large Twitter poll (retweeted by Benjamin Dixon) recently asking people what side they would pick it they had to pick between being a socialist (generally) and being a Nazi. Something like 45% of those polled picked Nazi. Sadly we have a long way to go to deprogram Americans.
@@thepolishcow9050 - Conservatives aren't fascist (I lived with a bunch of good-hearted conservatives, so this is obvious), but Trump is more than 50% of the way there, which is alarming for the leader of a country.
@@matt.lehodey Yeah, but what do we do? I would estimate that 30 percent of humans will lose their jobs by 2050, even more. So what do you suggest we do? Should the ultra rich just leave us starving and having no reason to leave? Also, UBI won't destroy the incentive to work if there is no work left. I would suggest you watch this video if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/7Pq-S557XQU/видео.html .
The problem is many people start doing stupid things if they have money that makes work voluntary. They live extremely unhealthy lives and / or start arguing about unimportant things. Just look at Nauru, Saudi Arabia, and SJW. That issue must be resolved at the same time, otherwise it is just a shortcut to disaster.
I cannot work because of severe anxiety and mood disorders and had to quit man jobs because of severe anxiety attacks. Before COVID, I started volunteering and I found it much more fulfilling and was much more motivated to go to work even though I wasn't being paid. I heard the other volunteers and the one employee complaining about how lazy young adults today are and how they don't want to work. It honestly kind of hurt my feelings considering I was going several times a week giving my time and labour to them for free and being passionate about doing a good job.
yea it's hard for some people to grasp on an idea that us young ones are lazy, just because we aren't producing high-value money. our generation has been fucked up by the previous generations and greed of other people, politician, corporations and billionaires, that we are in need of constant healing meantally just to recover from all of that. this is the main reason why we tend to go for jobs/work that provides us meaning, gives up purpose, and makes us feel like we can actually change something for good. it sucks when the modern world sees your purpose only if you can earn big buck, then you're just a garbage to them if you serve with meaning
Thanks a lot for this video. We spent most of our lives doing a job that we don't like just because we need to survive, I think a lot in others things that I could do as: writing, creating games and music. The only time I've to do such things are the weekends, but let's be realistic it's a time when you're tired and just want to rest making difficult to be creative or do something awesome. In the end it appears that we keep living our lives but not doing what we really want or exploring our talents. The worst part is that since we're still young it's like seeing all your talent being wasted and your golden years passing by and you can't anything to change the situation because of your 40~48 hours job.
Second thought, look at how healthcare was back in the 1950s and 60s in America. Healthcare was significantly cheaper (even accounting for inflation) and higher quality, even without a socialized healthcare. Singapore is a modern example of how it was.
As a roofing contractor I will say this: just do a quick repair and wait for a hailstorm for a new one. But I do live in TX where everyone gets hit by a hailstorm every 5-10 years, and thus a new roof.
@@matt.lehodey Communism isn't bad. What the soviet union did was more like fascism disguised as communism. Either way, capitalism is clearly not working if most people can barely afford a roof over their head. I'm leaving the US as soon as possible, because this system has consistently screwed my family over and I'm not about to become another homeless statistic in extreme debt due to student fucking loans.
@@Error403HRD Yeah communism and socialism does not indicate how society became and maintains that style of economy. It's just that everytime so far in our history it was done using an oppressive authoritarian or totalitarian government.
No way letting a whole society live in health insecurity with financial consequences that range from annoying to catastrophic could have hidden societal costs. NOOOOOOOO!!!! Capitalism made iphones! Venezuela!
@@SofaKingShit Gotta love that they always go on about Venezuela and totally ignore the many other countries that have universal healthcare and are doing better than the US with its shitty healthcare.
He also proved to me that almost any policy position can be framed in terms that's appealing to the liberal vs conservative divide. Something that is ostensibly a lefty policy has a lot of right-libertarian juice behind its framing.
I want you to go to work and pay me so I can go hunting and fishing whenever I want to and I can work on my art of grilling. And if you don't agree with this you're clearly a Nazi
@@bka8851 that's a massive oversimplification. Remember, the guy working also gets the money too, not just the one hunting and fishing. The guy working has just as much freedom to go hunting and fishing, or whatever else he's passionate about, as the other one. If you work, it'd be because you WANT to work, and UBI studies so far have all showed that those getting the UBI are driven to work even more than before. So realistically, you'd have very few people not working at all. The value already exists in the economy, it's just too concentrated at the top 1%. VAT tax + UBI is just a clever way at redistributing a little bit of that value to everybody, giving the bottom 50% a little breathing room.
Andrew yang's UBI policy isnt helpful because of how its funded. His freedom dividend policy offers people a choice between social security benefits such as food stamps, Medicaid and section 8 in replacement for 1000 dollars a month. The amount americans in poverty receive through these benefits exceeds 1000 dollars, and many of them will still need benefits to survive. Any threat to the already fragile social spending we already do have is a direct threat to the american people
@@elliottclark5965 I'm not entirely sure how those people would recieve the benefits they need on top of UBI. That's the one part I haven't heard a good solution for. So you have a good point
I always loved the idea of UBI and think we could advance so much more as a society with UBI, however that makes us very vulnerable, we depend on someone other than ourselves for our needs.... makes it very easy to be abused by those who provide the UBI....
"Second Thought" is clearly coming into his stride. "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." - Karl Marx
You should probably be careful to listen to what he said. As his ideas have caused 100 million deaths, and even more have ended up in poverty and corruption.
@@earl3412 Karl invented a new ideology and did not know what it would lead to. I do not place any responsibility on him. But his ideas were obviously absolutely catastrophic, so one has to be critical of his ideas.
I feel like UBI shouldn't even be necessary. Living space, water, food, and utilities including Internet should be provided to everyone, regardless. We shouldn't need to give people money for them to survive without stress.
@@charles9980 I'm speaking idealistically haha, in our current world yes, we need some sort of UBI. But I'd prefer necessary things like I mentioned be socialized and just provided, so UBI is less necessary ya know?
Yes, but how much living space / water / food and utilites is adequate per person? What if the person wants as many children as possible just to get more of these things?
Those receiving the money in Finland reported being happier, which is so obvious that it's disturbing it's even mentioned. The question is whether the added happiness is more than what else you could have achieved with that money, like in the US for instance it could have been used to support healthcare as you pointed out. In my opinion if we get rid of the entire section of social benefits (Kela here in Finland), use that money including the overhead, such as the bureaucracy and the costs of running such a system with all their offices, we would need much less of an increase in taxation to provide a decent level of UBI.
welfare and its ensuing poverty would be eliminated, fear of not able to afford decent safe shelter would be eliminated, fear of food insecurity would be eliminated...but government is slow to see this benefit of UBI. Finland I think is the model for UBI, all other countries should base their economy on that model.
I think UBI should just be an expansion of the existing welfare state. I see no reason why the welfare state should keep growing in the 21st century and the systems we've already established are much more effective than private counterparts. We should really just cut away means testing in general as it usually just results in a much more expensive system and really I do not give a shit if it results in the wrong person getting some support as in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much.
The Federation does have a currency called the Federation Credit. Citizens of the Federation don't need to use it within the Federation itself because of the post-scarcity economy, but there are lots of worlds outside the Federation that would be considered capitalist (Ferenginar, for example). That makes it necessary for the Federation to have a currency so that they can trade with worlds that still use money. One notable exception seems to be Deneb IV, which is a Federation world. Crusher purchased some fabric from a vendor there and asked that it be charged to her "account".
To answer a bit regarding Trek and banks and credits, we have basically two things: 1) The only banks noted are not part of the Federation. Bolians on Bolarus IX, like the Ferengi on Ferenginar, have what is most likely a market economy. Bolians have a cordial relationship with the Federation, and Bolians are Federation citizens, live on Earth and elsewhere there, and serve in Starfleet. But the Bank of Bolias is not a Federation bank. 2) Federation Credits are used by Federation citizens and primarily Starfleet when dealing with expenses with societies that are not as advanced as the Federation and are still choking under capitalism like for instance the Ferengi. So the only situation where you need and would use Federation Credits is if you're going to Quark's Bar. It is kind of like a UBI, except it's solely for going to Quark's Bar since you have your own replicator that can just make you all the synthenol and raktajino you need (unless you're Worf and Quark has hacked the station replicators again and your prune juice comes in a mug that plays an ad ditty for Quark's). But it is true that the how's of Federation society and economy are not really explained, and tend to change depending on the needs of the episode and the series (and overall era of Trek production). But in TNG and DS9, it's made fairly clear that on Earth and other core worlds of the Federation, money no longer exists, and there is no hunger, poverty, or crime anymore. It's actually a fairly neat plot element in a DS9 storyline, where Sisko is frustrated that his Starfleet superiors on Earth don't understand that he is not dealing with people living in a paradise where all problems have been solved, but people in a manichean guerilla war who live in a just-settled frontier where the technological infrastructure that produces infinite free energy and can assemble anything on a molecular level out of anything has not been built yet. That's in general why I love DS9 the most out of all Treks, one of its main running themes is that the utopia of the Federation was not easily won, and it is necessary to fight to protect it and uphold its values.
"We as a society believe that people working hard to develop their passions and talents is not beneficial at all to society, but selling our souls over to corporations to become slaves that make those above us rich and happy yet not us is far more honourable and logical."
As a disability activist by trade, UBI needs to be a thing NOW. Do you know how many disabled people are languishing in abusive relationships because they cannot financially leave? How many children are growing up, watching a parent be abused, because the victim is disabled and cannot do anything to protect themselves and their kids? Disability benefits are based on how much you pay into the system before you become disabled - I was hit crossing the road by a reckless (uninsured) dude at 26...and since I was an academic, I had paid almost nothing into the system. After supplemental, I am due something like $700/mo on disability benefits, if I stay in CA. Where in CA can I survive on that, pray tell? At its best, disability benefits are still significantly less than minimum wage. Why am I worth less because some idiot broke my spine? I don't have any family, both of my parents died young and my extended family peaced out years ago. How does that mean that I deserve to be out on the streets? Or forced to do who knows what to survive? Can you imagine what it feels like to matter so little to your fellow humans? What messaging like that does to you day in and day out? The answer isn't just better disability benefits. Means testing, the way to get us into disability benefits in the first place, are incredibly harmful and difficult to navigate - ESPECIALLY for those who are already dealing with massive health shit. Thought Slime has a wonderful video on this called "Pete Buttegieg, Means Testing Sucks". Let me explain. I landed on my face at 30mph. The curve of my neck is reversed and my spinal cord permanently damaged. I lost most of the nerve response to my right arm. I use forearm crutches for short distances and a wheelchair for anything like a grocery store. My pelvis is in two pieces. When I do walk, because of my spinal cord and my pelvis, I walk so weirdly that I have broken the same bone in my right foot four times. The first two times I didn't know it was broken and just walked on it with a bone in my foot being in two pieces. All of this isn't even half of what is wrong with me, it just gives you an idea. Last year I found out that due to the instability in my spine, my left jugular vein has partially collapsed in my temporal lobe. This has created an extremely rare brain disorder that, if nothing else, has gotten me attention from some really amazing brain surgeons who will likely publish off of me. I am just hoping to see my 2nd grader get to college. I am incredibly sick much of the time, because my brain is literally squeezing itself to death. I am essentially constantly sustaining a concussion. (Yes. I had a baby like this. Holy shit disabled people fuck? There is a wonderful Podcast called Disability After Dark by an amazing human named Andrew Gurza if you're interested in this topic!) And with all of this, I cannot qualify for Medicaid, because I inherited a relatively small amount of money when my mom committed suicide. Even with all that, I've also been turned down for Social Security Disability repeatedly - though because I married someone financially secure I decided not to pursue the benefits because of how unstable the system is and because I can't be paid for my work contracting as a disability proofreader, etc, AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PAYING DISABLED FOLX FOR OUR EDUCATION AND STOP TELLING US IT WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. JUST STOP. Given the cost of our durable medical, medications, etc (which we shouldn't be fucking paying for, but, you know, I don't MATTER in the U.S., do you know how many edgelords have told me Covid is here to clear people like me out of society?) I absolutely think disabled and chronically ill people should be getting additional money on top of UBI. My new wheelchair that I have to upgrade to is going to cost me close to $10K out of pocket when all is said and done, and I am getting it second-hand. But because of the brain stuff, I need some extra tilt features.....so here we are. But how we do the additional benefits without means testing is a question I will leave up to better minds than mine. Or, at least less squished ones. But hey, I get my own emoji!!! 🤯
A better alternative to UBI is UBS (Universal Basic Services), so a minimum standard of living is still guaranteed at a much lower cost and with a higher chance of being effective. Still a great video as always.
You know, that sounds like a happy dream, the main reason that worries me is that the system leaves people vulnerable even more so to the desition of people handling the funds of UBI, corruption is very likely too. But i wish this could some day be a reality. That is the opposite to being misantropic, it shows how humans care for each other.
I'm a big proponent of national UBI in the US, but I'll admit I have one big fear regarding implementing it. I worry that businesses will simply increase their prices rapidly inflating the cost of living so workers now have to work in addition to their UBI payments to survive. Capitalism loves reducing down to the common denominator of exploitation.
@DankMemeKid I'll agree with you only in the sense that in America we don't properly regulate capitalism, so therefore it's inherently reprehensible nature is more free to do harm.
@@showmeTDs I disagree. UBI should absolutely be enough that a person can live. If you lived on UBI alone you wouldn't have the best of everything, but you'd be able to have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. Your additional income would become a means to have more comfort or things you want, but you could also spend your life on worthy pursuits that will never pay. The trade-life-for-currency model is the only thing demanding otherwise.
I was waiting for this video! Amazing job. Just a (very long) word about funding, for those interested: I am a conservative libertarian, and until a few months ago, a horrified debt hawk that saw us headed for a cliff. Now I understand that we can easily afford UBI, national health-care/insurance, infrastructure overhauls, scientific endeavors, all of it. As long as the government doesn't spend so fast that it causes inflation (in the sector that it spends in), every dollar the government spends is good for the economy. The WW2 economy was this in action. Deflation caused the Great Depression (they let the money supply diminish by 1/3-- glad we've learned our lesson), and government spending pulled us out. It caused inflation, but it's an extreme example. The bulk of the inflation from then to today actually occured in the 1970s, when oil shocks caused everything to become more expensive. (Definitionally, "inflation.") Wages also froze at that time, and that's the fun hell we've been in for the last 50 years. Among the general public, the money supply has dwindled. Focusing on the uber-rich is distracting-- the real problem is that We The People don't have any of OUR money. The United States Dollar is a public good. The federal government (Fed and Treasury) have a monopoly on the currency. The US Government does not need your filthy beer money to fund their wars. The Defence Department will NEVER have a check bounce at the Treasury, and as far as I know, Congress generally doesn't bother with "funding measures" and "offsets" when it comes to the Armed Forces. All federal departments are funded, ultimately, by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States. They use the public bank. Where have We The People gone to for money? Well, since the government won't do it's damn job and distribute the stuff, we go to private banks. There, a few entries on a ledger can make money happen by magic! Only, along with the "money," there's now "debt." And you know how the rest of that goes. These are private companies that are allowed to lord over the currency that properly belongs to the public. All banks that deal in USD should be public. Private banks, private money. (Let the insane speculators deal in their own currency and leave ours alone.) This is a broken system. UBI is the first step to the fix. The government has to spend money first in order to tax it back later. There is no other way for the government to get money. Read those two sentences again, please. If the government spends more, it will definitionally collect more in taxes. (What we tax and by how much are decisions made for different reasons. They don't fund anything-- our politicians are pretending they do.) UBI pays for itself, just because that's how the accounting works. Every dollar that doesn't get taxed back is a dollar in somebody's savings account. (Just not yours or mine, right now.) It pays for itself under the old framework as well, since you spend less on the effects of poverty (less jails, less medical expenses, less means-tested aid, less wasted potential), and since everyone's incomes are higher, they pay more in income taxes. You can be against UBI, and that's fine. You just can't tell me we don't have the money. We have everything we need BUT the money. (And thanks for reading all that. Seriously. If you're still curious, read 'The Deficit Myth' by Stephanie Kelton.)
In star trek credits are a currency used for trade outside the federation, say the federation wants materials to build ships with, they pay in credits, and then if you have credits you can go and buy from the federation.
@@blitz-625 we spend way more than China does yearly on military. The United States spends the most money out of any military in the world and it's so much that we spend more money than the next eight countries combined. We're fine
I feel like this needs to be said, here in Scotland, we already have universal healthcare, need meds? Broke an arm? Go to the hospital and get what you need, no up front cost, it's all paid by taxes. The SNP is going to put forward a bill to bring in UBI in next year's election, given that they constantly win each time, and deliver on their promises (see baby boxes for new parents, and free tampons/pads for women in college and uni) hopefully we'll also get it by next year or by 2022, depending on the roll out. It's an exciting time to be alive.
@@abhiprakash74999 sadly no, the idea was we’d use oil money and everyone in Scotland would get a slice of the pie, but the conservatives in London have caught tooth and nail from preventing us holding another independence referendum.
Near the end, you said "There are so many things we need to spend money to fix" I personally think that the most important thing to fix would every person equal power in the decisions of what to do with the money. Because then finding the correct order would be easier and everybody would agree more, except for the people who get what want already.
UBI for 40 hour/month work for the country/community. Like cleaning streets, planting trees, nacional industrial job. healthcare job for the ones who can, teachers and scool personal and so on.
One way I think to get people interested in ubi is through entertainment. There is a lack of movies, tv shows and games with basic income as a trope. I think the more people see the concept through the entertainment that they consume, the more they will gravitate towards the idea.
I spend 5 out of every 7 days of my life making money for someone else while hoping desperately for those 5 days to be over so that I can spend Saturday being mentally and emotionally exhausted. Then on Sunday I get to spend the whole day with physically painful anxiety of the coming 5 days while doing all the chores I can't do when I'm spending the next 5 days making money for someone else.
Let your frustration and despair lead you on a path to getting off the hamster wheel. There are always options. Open your mind and start thinking and brainstorming of ideas. There's a wealth of free information out here. Take advantage and free yourself.
@@Danibuki You don't know unless you try. 80% think or talk their way out of it before even putting forth the effort. Add that too all of the naysayers and negative Nancy's. No one said it was easy but it sure is possible.
in 2013 I became disabled and was unable to work, for the first 2-3 months it was great and I was kinda lazy just watching shows and playing video games the whole day... after that though I got caught up on all the T.V. shows I had interests in, and I played all my games to the point I lost interest, and I got bored I wanted to return to work because even though I only ever worked as a cashier or a customer service call rep it was better than the insufferable boredom, not to mention it took 2 and a half years to get onto SSA Disability and even once I did it didn't cover my rent living alone so I had to move in with family, after I did I contributed 100% of the pay I got to my portion of the bills (rent, electricity, internet, phone, transportation, renters insurance, food and care for my service animal.) and even then I was still not contributing my portion of the bills. I was also reminded constantly by society that I wasn't just a burden to my family but to society as well and that it would have been better for society if I was just no longer alive simply because I was not able enough to work.. in 2019 I was finally well enough to return to work so I am contributing to society again and people I meet treat me differently now all because I work a a job for a company that doesn't give a shit if I live or die in their facility so long as I get product to customers on time, and if I don't I get removed from my position and get fired...
Currently, no country has a UBI in place, although there have been (and still are) several small-scale pilots and a few larger-scale experiences. Only two countries-Mongolia and the Islamic Republic of Iran-had a national UBI in place for a short period of time. the World Bank.
Great video. As companies accelerate the transition to automation, UBI makes a lot of sense and we help eliminate poverty. Because economic value does not equal human value
@@luapark3068 i don;t know how bad the disparity is, but its really bad. ANd helping the millions uneployed by covid i more importent than jeff bezoes bank account
Star Trek believes in getting satisfaction in what you do, and not the money you make. DS9 deals with money more than the other shows, but it is mostly because of the Ferengi(alien race that is capitalistic in history). You get everything you need, so you are not worrying about food, shelter, medicine, or anything. They want you to focus on making your best self. Capitan Picard does a good job at explaining it throughout the next gen.
UBI is an interesting concept, but it could have been unnecessary. Remember in the video "America's overwork obsession", he stated that in the 1960s many families only needed one bread-winner in the family and now with two most families can barely scrape by despite Americans being 4x more productive today. That shift happened in the 1970s when Nixon took us off the gold standard and massive inflation took place. Inflation destroyed the purchasing power of Americans because the costs of everything went up faster than salaries did. If we never made the mistake of going off the gold standard and thus preventing massive inflation, then all Americans would have a higher purchasing power and a higher quality of life. Not only could we still have a sole bread-winner but he/she could even work part time because of the increase in productivity and still support the entire household. Then they would have more time to pursue their interests in the arts, sciences or whatever they desire.
@Boots Jew No if anything they increased the practice of Keynesian economics and it squanders scarce resources. Before the 1930s we had an Austrian economic model, where the government wouldn't interfere with the economy at all (except for certain instances where monopolist would lobby them to make the market noncompetitive). That changed with Hoover and the Great Depression who tried to implement price and wage control that made the depression worse. People don't generally know this but there was a depression back in 1919-1920 because of WWI and the influenza epidemic; the economy quickly recovered from the downturn because the government didn't try to step in and save it. If anything Keynesian economics is the problem. The gold standard is important because it means we have sound money that would depreciate in value; inflation is a drain on the economy and everyone's purchasing power.
@@koalasquare2145 It is when your currency is either gold or back by gold. This means that number of dollars you need to buy an ounce of gold is constant. Before the 1930s you could buy one ounce of gold for $20.67 and it was like that for a hundred years. The supply of gold is pretty stable so it means that your currency is stable as well. The dollar won't depreciate in value so you can basically put your dollars in a bank or even under a mattress and you would get richer. This is because the prices for goods would come down overtime due to increases in productivity and improvements in technology. You can buy more with the same amount of dollars over time.
@@koalasquare2145 You should REALLY look up the "Gold Standard", "Fiat Currencies", and "The Petro Dollar". Understanding those 3 terms will help you wrap your head around why the world is the way it is, why the economy is in the state it is, why the US has a hard on for specific countries that seem like "Shithole countries nobody cares about" Essentially, money used to be be backed by gold. The Government/Banks couldn't just create money the way they do now, because every dollar was backed by a specific amount of gold. If they wanted to increase the money supply, they had to increase their reserves of gold. It's why "All the gold in Fort Knox" is a saying, countries around the world keep their gold reserves (or some of them) in the US. (Fun fact here, Germany has most of its gold in the US, the US has refused to verify that the German gold is still present, when requested, they were denied access to even view their own gold! nomadcapitalist.com/2014/02/25/german-gold-fiasco-fed-doesnt-want-you-to-know/ Rumours have long been swirling that Nixon sold off all or most of the gold in Fort Knox, including other countries gold, after moving from the Gold Standard) Nixon moved the US off the "Gold Standard" and onto "Fiat Currency" which is basically a system where money is backed by debt, and suddenly money can be created out of thin air quite easily. (in super super super basic terms, again, I highly recommend you look up these topics) And finally as a bonus, the "Petro-Dollar" refers to the system in which Oil is sold internationally for US $. Essentially,any country the US can schmooze, threaten, or bully has been forced to trade their oil for US currency. This means any country that wants to buy their oil needs US $, which means they must trade with the US, or someone who has US currency, to get the right currency to purchase oil... As a result there's an artificial demand for US currency, which gives the US a massive leg up in global trade. Another fun fact, if you look at all the countries that have snubbed, or attempted to snub the 'Petro-Dollar' system, you find a very long list of countries where the US has overthrown the government, or attempted to do so. If you look at all the world leaders who have spoken about moving back to the Gold Standard, you'll find a list of world leaders who were killed and/or deposed. (Again super watered down, half remembered version... you should not take my word for it and do some reading yourself. )
Ok, so thats my vision on this topic: everybody gets enough to survive (having an appartement, getting enough food, have some security if they happen to get sick etc.) This money is enough to survive, and some may even want to live off of it in order to pursue their dreams and become an artist with no additional income. However, if you want to have a cool car, if you want to go on vacation, if you want to have a big party or go to a concert, you would have to work in order to afford it. Another system that I like is the one we have here in switzerland: There is no basic income, but if you are unable to find work (because you have a disability, nobody wants to emply you for whatever reason etc) but you can prove that you applied for a job, your getting your basic needs covered by the state. Ofc there are some dickheads that exploit this system, but there arent too many.
Ja, aber sozialhilf muesch zruggzahle, und darum bliibed fill lüüt in de sozialhilf stecke. will au wenn en job hesch, gar ned meh geld hesch wie mit sozialhilf, will immerno schulde bim staat hesch. Das führt dezue das e paar sozialhilfe empfänger sich gar ned d müeh mached en job z finde wills sich eh med so lohnt.
That's why I love freelance work. I have 10 hours per week I have to work and it covers my basic expenses. However if I want I can get more hours if I want to save up for something like a vacation or new guitar, computer parts etc.
@Lavithan that system you have in Switzerland we do have here in Germany as well. I'm actually in use of that right now because I have a disability of 60%. It's good that there is s system like that but the downside of it is that if you want work but you actually can't, than it is a really though life. And the money you get here honestly ain't that much to have at least a worrie less life. How much does someone get to live in Switzerland if I may ask? In germany we get 440€ a month + appartment which is currently 310€ for me.
This was a nice summary of the arguments. To me UBI seems like taking a “pension plan” from work or Social Security benefits and moving it to the front of your life instead of the end of your life. I’d like to compare studies on people who live on pension plans/Social Security and see how quality of life compares. I personally know quite a few retirees who seem to be enjoying really good lives on their pension/401K/SocSec benefits. I’ve also heard the horror stories for people who don’t have the medical coverage and lose everything to a medical event. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have that financial security when you’re statistically younger and healthier?
Another major problem with UBI is money itself. Lets say that UBI will be 1000 units of some currency. If you give it to everyone you will face inflation skyrocketing. Next year you will need 1200 to cover base needs. Giving money in never a good idea, it always devaluate the currency. It is better to provide free housing, medical care, food etc. Effect will be roughly the same, working will be optional.
Could you do a series on policies to improve democracy in the US. I think this would need an episode on each method, but I would be very interested to see your takes. Examples include: Giving people money to lobby (aka Yang bucks). This would be $100 every election to keep the population's influence competitive with the corporate lobbyists. There's making lobbying illegal completely. There are ways to regulate mainstream misinformation or partisanship.
During the past 10 years, I have had to learn new skills on a constant basis. This is due to code and automation being able to do what I do faster and better. The code is also becoming better at adapting to new circumstances. I fear the moment I'll no longer be able to keep up.
And given the rate of technological advancement, I genuinely believe that will occur in my lifetime. The question is, will it happen when I'm 35 or when I'm about to retire. I'm worried that my current skill set will be automated away and I won't be able to learn and adapt to a new industry.
A massive majority of the comments on this channel agree with the idea of a UBI. As great as that is, we should stop wasting time convincing each other how we agree so much. Instead, I think we should be sharing ideas on how to convince people who disagree with us, because until we have much more people on our side, nothing will fundamentally change.
The comments here leave me to believe that most people commenting are well under the age of 30, and have never successfully completed any economics classes. if you think that rent controls are going to solve any problems without creating bigger ones, you clearly do not understand the world you live in. Rent controls have been tried. They do not work, because there is no incentive to provide good housing. There was no incentive to even maintain the quality of the existing housing. Why would anybody put their money into housing? Their money can be invested better in other places. The only other alternative is government housing. The government doesn't care if you like your housing. Go look at some examples in the world today if you don't think so.
Well, the usual argument I hear against UBI is "with free money, no one would be working." Funny thing is that if you ask them if THEY would stop working the answer is always "hell no, I would contribute to society... BUT NO ONE ELSE WOULD." It's the same discussing decriminalizing a heavy drug. "If we legalize heroin, everyone would start shooting up!" "Would you?" "Hell no, i'm not a drug addict." "......."
@@jamisojo most of the rental properties out there are owned by a very few large companies. They sit on tons empty properties waiting for people with enough money to come along. If you tax the fuck out of empty properties, there is suddenly an incentive to lower rental prices in order to fill their empty properties and avoid the punishing tax. They cannot allow their properties to fall into disrepair, or nobody will want to rent and the home will become subject to my killer tax on empty properties. Why on earth would you want to defend the monsters who exploit people for insane profits under this broken system? Do you benefit from this broken system? I bet you do.
One (big) problem of UBI is that it is often funded by eliminating all other aid programs. For most people that's fine, you might need EI from time to time but that's it. For many other people, replacing all their aid packages with a flat amount often results in a significant reduction in assitance. If someone is getting $1500 in Section 8, $400 in Food stamps, $1000 in welfare the replacing the whole thing with $1000 cash will be a real kick in the nuts.
There are two things that I rarely hear mentioned when talking about UBI. One is that I don't think it would prevent people from starting business and trying to get rich. A UBI doesn't take away the incentive to get rich and have a big house. It just means that everybody can have at least a small house. Granted, the size of your house might still get limited on the top end if you're so successful that you start being taxed to pay for the UBI, but there's still a whole lot of room in the range in-between. The other is that, I would assume, that UBI could possibly replace other welfare programs. So a big chunk of it is already paid for just through the programs it would replace.
Imagine the culture shock of Karens who walk into retail establishments and try to pull all the entitled shit when the worker can quit because they're not completely dependent on the wage.
_“There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.”_ Billionaires eat for free everyday and eat very well. They didn't earn their money from the sweat of their own brow but off the backs of many, many others. They take from the proletariat like a leech sucks blood from its host. It's time to remove the billionaire bourgeois leeches from our society and toss them back into the swamp.
We have this in the UK. It’s great because children don’t go hungry etc. but unscrupulous employers prey on this. They pay well below the living wage and the rest of the workforce basically subsidise their wage bill. These same companies often dodge a lot of tax too. It’s a great concept but implementation would have to be carefully considered. Edit _ it’s not exactly the same but similar.
I can't remember the test so sorry i can't name it but some scientists did a test where people had to start a society without any form of currency. And result wore werid after a week they noticed group B kept going in woods and get sticks and group A wore farming what didn't realize wore the fact that the society had turned sticks into a rudimentary currency it was very strange it damned shame i can't remember what it was called i am sorry
Also keep in mind that there still needs to be a system to distribute value, especially since some goods will still be scarce, such as housing and land (not that land neccessarily needed private ownership, but there's just a finite amount of it so anything based on land will still be scarce). The key is not to get rid of currency, but to regulate it so that it serves to further equality and fairness, not profit of the top 1%.
Not possible, because currency is what equalize the 'chaotic' nature of trading. Otherwise, who can say that 10kg of grains from a farmer equals to 1 good iron farming tools from a blacksmith? Or what if the farmer asks for 3 iron tool for 10kg of grains? The blacksmith is certainly at the disadvantage here; the farmer sure appreciate iron tools for farming but they can make do with sticks and stone tool if need be, but the blacksmith got to have meals or he dies. Certainly we have only finite numbers of lifespan, we can't just farm at dusk, make tools at day and do anything else at dawn; that's... bad... because that's surviving, not living... While I understand your question about money, but currency has proven to be very beneficial for out society as a whole. If we take money out, either we would find another currency (gold, for examples) or there will be chaos. Granted, currency has it's own drawback but so far it's also one of the driving force of our advancing civilization.
See also: "CHAZ", the recent Seattle peaceful anti-capitalist-controllers anti-cop Experiment that soon created its own violence, controlling class, and armed security.
I figured out a way to retire a little early through careful investing and frugal living and haven't had a job in more than 20 years....I have never been so relaxed and happy! I spend my days doing various things such as working out, hanging out with my woman, and watching movies with my beloved cat sleeping in my lap. Don't let anyone BS you; when you quit that effing job you will not miss working at all. I remember all my past jobs as a distant bad dream and wouldn't go back to any of them even if I was offered a million dollars per year. Wealthy business owners like to keep the myth going that people need work to be fulfilled so they can have cheap labor for their business but they are lying to you. 99.999% of jobs SUCK and only make people stressed out, exhausted, and miserable. Just having time and energy to exercise properly and sleep late is a joy in itself.
Reduced healthcare costs due to less stress, famine and homelessness; reduced administration fees for welfare programmes because it's not means tested; reduced social stigma in some circles for financial aid; a boom in entrepreneurial activity as people can work part time or invest their UBI in a side project; a vast expansion of art, media and creative work from a working and middle class that have been priced out since they previously couldn't offer the free, unpaid labour that industry expects as a start; cleaner, greener cities as people won't be commuting as much... and all for less than we'd think as most of this money would be reinvested in the economy instantly.
I like the concept of UBI, but i have a big critique of those systems currently proposed in today's world. If the point is to make sure everyone is fed, clothed, and housed. wouldn't it be better to provide those directly, instead of giving people money they could squander (or more likely be stolen by their landlord). It just seems to me like in today's system it just would not work. Although i would love to be proved wrong. Edit: it is mainly giving out money in current society that i have a problem with. Food vouchers now or UBI in another system(eg market socialism) is not what i'm critizing here)
The 'problem' with that is that you would take away the market drive on those sectors, the same drive that leads to the most and fastest innovations. UBI tries to keep a free market economy by attaching the social part to income, instead of to appropriation of the needs.
People "squander" their money across all classes, from cheap booze to cocaine on yachts. What stops people from needing to escape their situation so much is having more a fulfilling situation in the first place. Google "rat paradise cocaine experiments".
I must say in college I pursued things that just were well paying. Neither field did I graduate from. For the last 12 years I've been self-employed, I've done allright. The thing is though there really is something I'd like to pursue. The thing is though it requires 4-10 years of school costs possibly 250k and the employment outcome is uncertain. It's like god how often do economics stand in our way of happiness? I'm not even talking about raising kids or buying a home either. It's being able to take a chance at something fullfilling.
@@eddiekulp1241 The government printed 4 trillion dollars for corporations last year but you can’t get a few hundred to feed your family, sounds about right.
@@eddiekulp1241 There is no historical example of runaway inflation due to welfare programs, every single example or runaway inflation; Yugoslavia, Weimar Germany, Venezuela, Zimbabwe were all the result of predatory foreign loans. Every single inflation crisis in the history of the world has been created by capitalists, or rarely, a capitalist crisis like the Great Depression.
@@thetruegoldenknight shut up with calling him a coumunist. He just belives what he belives. And secondthoughts veiws are pretty different from stalins
My problem with UBI is that it could create an ultra rich group which owns the means of production and then everyone else as consumers who get a ubi which only gives them enough so they don’t become class concious.
There was a UBI experiment in Ontario(Canada), they gave UBI to everyone signed up for the experiment in a small community, and the province was hinting towards deploying it province wide, and then I never heard of it again, until covid. People these days were suggesting converting the relief fund into UBI, and finance checks out, but federal government seems reluctant
Yes the UBI was proposed late in 2018 but was cancelled after the provincial election. Was intended to assist about 1200 poor people in three cities. T There was a fair bit of press interest in studying the results Alas all those good intentions are but a dream now...
The idea that people need hardship to overcome or else they won't seek to make something out of themselves seems so absurd considering that the vast majority of successful entrepreneurs and professionals come from relatively wealthy backgrounds with financial security.
Indeed.
The "vast majority of successful entrepreneurs" did not come from wealthy backgrounds actually
Jakub Koss Wrong www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2015/07/17/entrepreneurs-family-money/amp/
@@RevolutionaryThinking There are plenty of articles about how most millionaires are self-made. I will be soon and so are the other millionaires I know. None of us grew up with money, and I certainly did not
@@jakubkoss2917 Actually, yes they did. You hear about the ones who didn't.
One thing I love about UBI even though I only think it's a partial solution it's that it normalises that people deserve a good basic living standard regardless of what they decide to do with their life
Absolutely. This is exactly my stance. UBI is a half-assed solution, but it's a meaningful step in the right direction in that it gives people a taste of what we can accomplish if we handle our affairs more wisely and prioritize human life and value in our economy the things we value as people.
Ideally, basic necessities would be guaranteed outright, work would not be done under coercion, and nobody would own the business except those who are doing the work... but UBI is a good place to start.
It’s putting a band aid on a wound. It won’t really heal the wound, but can stop blood from gushing out
@@LifeInJambles We're very unlikely to get those things, at least UBI has some support behind it
@@Craig121000 yeah, you should be able to live comfortably
One of the problems I always worried about with ubi is predatory landlords. Anyone who rents would just see their rents raised by exactly the ubi amount. You’d definitely have to take steps to prevent that
I agree, however one would hope that legislation would be put in place to prevent that.
adam c You can put legislation, but landlords will definitely tacitly raise the rents without mentioning UBI and citing all kinds of reasons. It will be close to impossible to detect that
Impossible, they can just bribe the authorities to allow such predatory actions
I'm sure in some cases this would happen, however I would like to think that a strong legal framework could be enacted that would help prevent the majority of landlords from doing that. As to the specifics of that framework that would be for people far more intelligent than me to work out (I'm not a legal expert lol)
Imo the only way to stop them from doing so is strip them of their status as landlord
"The idea that our natural state is to 'work for a wage' is a perversion of the understanding of existence." 2:27. "If we can decouple human value from wage labor we'll have a much richer understanding of what it means to be human" 3:01 These were said quickly, almost in passing but hit deeply. Agree!
AMEN!!!! And I do believe that mental illnesses will decline with UBI. I have always been about capitalism.... but as I age and gain “wisdom” .... I can step back and open my mind and believe in humanity as to what our souls need to thrive. We have all these mental set backs today and stigma that goes along with it. Eg; autism, ADHD, BPD, all types of depression, anxiety etc..... yes, there is some genetics that account for these, but I believe that’s is merely due to programming our minds as to how we are raised, and environment(parents) distilling in us “how our life is suppose to be”
The effect ubi would have on the mental health of the population as a whole would be staggering. It would also reduce crime. It's an all round great idea. People will still work because the income is basic. It covers necessities. People will still always want nicer things. People would work to drive a better car, live in a better home, eat better food, wear better clothing, for many different reasons. The amount of people who arent concerned with these things would be miniscule, by my estimation. Even those who are content living on the basic amount will be driven to work and create in some fashion. Few people are satisfied with doing nothing all the time. They will develope hobbies, create art and music, volunteer, and any number of other worthwhile endeavors
ya that sentence didn't mention wages going up at all throughout the years.witch you are luckily if you get 2 too 5 percent for medical. labor in the united states pays workers low.
Most people not ready to think outside of the box
@@LukeMcGuireoides In general, we do not need incentive to work, yes maybe to serve, but not be productive in our natural state. Now, of course, society and people by and large are manipulated and data misrepresents so this may not be apparent or a current state of affairs. We are creative beings and idleness is depressing for the most part. We wouldn't pick up hobbies and sports on our own time with no compensation if true that we need incentive. Yes, maybe incentive to be a servant or labor at the advantage of a power figure, but that's when wages or other forms of payments would kick in for the people who want more.
I was unemployed for few monts, and I worked more than when I was employed - I studied, I wrote and read poetry, I helped friends with their work, and I engaged in political activism.
Was happy to graduate high school only to realise I'm still forced to waste 8+ hours of my life 5 times a week
They just made your meat tender, you're still going to the slaugtherhouse.
College doesent will necesary give you much more.
The only good thing about school is its end. That said, the working world is a rat-race...when people are not arguing to become The Borg (ahem).
Damn as a recent senior, I felt that. At least with the pandemic Ive gotten some free time since i cant work because my family is high risk
What’s worse is no summer, winter or spring break.
The cost of UBI is misleading, most of the money given goes straight into the economy and because of something which is called ‘the multiplier effect' where each dollar put in through UBI, contributes around $1.3 to the economy because it flows through economy multiple times.
That makes sense, but that's assuming absolutely no corruption and no funds are being siphoned out of the UBI bubble
@@mrkraffbs9583 do you mean people spending their money on foreign companies?
Yes!!! Unlike when they give tax cuts to the wealthy it just goes in to stock repurchases and saving. Super rich don’t spend money, they can’t spend enough in comparison to what people who need it could and would do with it
Excellent! I hate that people really dont understand how our economy works!
We could all flourish instead of struggle.
And that would create more prosperity. For everyone.
Khrishan Solanki why not just reduce taxes by the UBI amount?
Over 60 million unemployed in USA since the pandemic with most of those jobs never returning!. We need innovative ideas for this horrific crisis
Most of 60 mil jobs never returning? That's horrible. In what kind of hell are you living in?
we need ubi for those pepole. And for the ideots who say its too expencive, i would like to point out the 3 richest men in th country ow more money than the bottem half
no? there are 21 million rn
@@ethanpappas2502 how the fuck are you going to pay all of those with a ubi? Print more money? You can't create more money if there aren't more people working.
@@EliKirkMusic first off whach your lagudge. Second off tax the weathy. The top 3 americans own more money than the bottem half. So please exuse me for caring more about 60 million unemployed than jeff bexo's bank account
The argument for UBI first goes: "You can't get the population thinking about long term problems like climate change if they are preocupied with short term crisis like rent and food."
UBI won't solve this
There's no silver bullet, but it will definitely help. As Andrew Yang says, if people had the economic boot of their throats, we can be more environment conscious. If 76% are living paycheck to paycheck, you really think they care about icebergs melting? They're trying to survive themselves.
It’s not just that, it’s also giving everyone enough to live
Actually Star Trek depicts a resourced based economy, which is an economy that exist without money. In fact the only time in Star Trek history we hear about credits is when dealing with worlds outside of the federation, or with certain resources that are scarce or need to be regulated. A American futurist Jaques Frisco came up with this economy 80 years ago, and was honored several years ago by the United Nations for his efforts one year before his death at the age of 100.
So basically communism?
@@schm147 communism would include the abolition of hierarchies, so Star Trek, with it's federal government and ranked military isn't communist. I do like that it's occasionally referred to as gay space communism, because it's getting at the idea of an egalitarian society.
@@Rainman97x No, you like it because you're a moral degenerate.
This was a really good take. I'm definitely for anything that encourages people to follow their dreams without the anxiety of wondering if you're going to eat or sleep in a bed tomorrow.
Me too ..however people will always bring up all the negatives...without bringing up all the negatives that we all have been accustomed to living of course. We live backwards I swear
I always dreamed of operating a Subway train in Toronto but I've been told "Oh good luck making a living"
I think if UBI were to become a thing, we’d see an influx of new inventions, business and progress in society. I think that will be the product of UBI because I know a lot of people feel they don’t have time to do anything they like because they “work”
I thank Andrew Yang for presenting this idea to me. And thank you SecondThought for also putting a spotlight on UBI.
The biggest problem with UBI and other reformist ideas is that it doesn't remove capitalism. Any concession like UBI given to us by the bourgeoisie can and will eventually be reversed. You can see this in Europe, where as soon as the threat of the Soviet Union went away, all these previously social democratic governments started doing austerity, removing the achievements of the the past century.
We need to completely remove the bourgeoisie from power if we want to prevent that. That's why UBI won't really work imo and why we need socialism.
I'm on disability in Australia. It sucks I only have enough for food, I paid taxes now I can only afford food. People treat me poorly as well.
im sorry they want us to die
Hypocritical of Australia, considering the origins of much of its modern population.
just food? how the fuck did you type this then? you obviously have access to computer, electricity and internet. You are pretty rich dude. What are you talking about? I bet you have even more than that, you probably have access to water, indoor toilet and even public transportation. Stop whining and look how ACTUAL poor people live in rural Siberia or something, none of these things are available for them
@@sten260 I've got some savings too. I think I should be getting 30k a year at least not 20k. I stopped smoking as much and saved like 3k in a few months.
@@tristanbulluss9386 good, remember the numbers doesn't even matter. Even if you make 100x less than somebody else your living standards are pretty similar. All the important stuff like electricity, water, heating, internet, phones etc are cheap and available to pretty much anybody. So why do you even need a lot of money? It's just for the cosmetics, it doesn't raise your living standard all that much.
Despite the fact that Yang is ideologically deficient in many areas, I'm glad that he brought the UBI discussion back to the mainstream in recent times.
"But...but if we give people money we'll have less for ourselves." - every politician regardless of party.
@Jared Moreno did you not watch the video?
Jared Moreno you DO realize that there are even ultrarich entrepreneurs which support this idea? Why? Because they can think. Nothing expands for eternity, except cancer. It expands until the host breaks. Like something the video talks about.
You starting to go after the real crooks now.
Ha. They always raise taxes
i cant buy your products if im broke.
Hi Second Thought:
I'm a fan of yours. I have two videos ideas:
1. The two-party system and the existance of third parties.
2. The U.S non incoporated territories and why they can't vote for the president (even though they're U.S citizens) and haven't become states (like Puerto Rico)
3. The ellectoral college.
4. The U.S education system.
5. The U.S overconsumerism.
The second one being to me and others important since I'm puertorrican
You won't find a better video on the Electoral College than the one(s) CGP Grey has done.
Would love a video on multiple-party systems as well as instant runoff voting.
@@Nachemon Multi-party systems are essentially the norm everywhere in the world. It shouldn't be difficult to find a truck load of info on it.
CGP Grey has done videos and podcast episodes (Hello Internet) on several voting systems, including run-off.
Osie Ukwuoma if we had rank choice voting. No
@These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends I just found out about this recently too, someone was talking about how a lot of people are moving to Puerto Rico because - you know the saying - no taxation without representation. Since you can't vote, you also don't have fed tax. People are deciding to give up their ability to vote to avoid taxes lol
There's a lot of scary things in the world right now that feel like they could lead to various types of dystopia. But I gotta say, the possibility of technology and automation soon becoming advanced enough that we can live in a world with UBI always makes me happy. It'll be a hard path to take, but someday we'll get there.
Most of us can only hope
UBI is an interesting concept, but it could have been unnecessary. Remember in the video "America's overwork obsession", he stated that in the 1960s many families only needed one bread-winner in the family and now with two most families can barely scrape by despite Americans being 4x more productive today. That shift happened in the 1970s when Nixon took us off the gold standard and massive inflation took place. Inflation destroyed the purchasing power of Americans because the costs of everything went up faster than salaries did. If we never made the mistake of going off the gold standard and thus preventing massive inflation, then all Americans would have a higher purchasing power and a higher quality of life. Not only could we still have a sole bread-winner but he/she could even work part time because of the increase in productivity and still support the entire household. Then they would have more time to pursue their interests in the arts, sciences or whatever they desire.
@@bighotchip4231 Inflation isn't inherently bad, in a matter of fact it can be viewed as a wealth inequality reduction, but that would require wages to go up with the inflation, which isn't the case.
So for exemple, a 10% inflation a year would need a 10% increase in wage, meaning that if you actively work, you will gain the same amount of value year after year, tho it kinda fucks up saving so you would need a centralized saving account (that has some sort of maximum saving limit) that also follows the inflation.
@@bighotchip4231 Yeah, that'd be pretty rad too. But now imagine the economy of that era with highly advanced automation and technology added into the mix as well. It seems possible we could support families without jobs, and families with them could live rather extravagantly. I think that hopeful reality is quite a far ways away, though, sadly.
And another might arise: Big numbers, just once a while change the , position, easy pz.
"Yet there is no country and no people, I think, who can look forward to the age of leisure and of abundance without a dread. For we have been trained too long to strive and not to enjoy." - Keynes
Beautiful quote
@@smithnwesson990 pasting a comment from above that I think may help you look at it from a different angle.
Phil:
"The idea that people need hardship to overcome or else they won't seek to make something out of themselves seems so absurd considering that the vast majority of successful entrepreneurs and professionals come from relatively wealthy backgrounds with financial security.
"
Side note: Even if you still don't agree with something like UBI, there's still the well documented issue that wages (adjusted for inflation) have been stagnant for quite some time.
Star Trek has “credits” because they use them for dealing with other civilizations and species that still use money even though they themselves don’t use money. 👌
Epic
Ugh finally a second thought video that doesn't give me anxiety for the rest of the day lol
I watched Dr Strangelove this morning
It should.
Same
gives me anxiety i hate ubi
Unlike reality?
I can’t even imagine not having to slave away at a job I hate and what an amazing thing it would be to be able to dedicate my time to helping others and doing things I like. The fact that people are against it is gross.
Jose Estigarribia I say let robots do the crap jobs people don’t want to do and give people UBI. All those cashier jobs, waitress jobs etc could be done by a robot and would probably be better because customers are jerks and robots don’t have feelings.
I got a disability pension a few years ago so l stopped having to work. The first couple of years l drank quite a bit but nonetheless pretty much immediately l started reading more books and watching more documentaries. After a couple of years l stopped drinking so much (arguably l was drinking to ease the trauma of losing years of my life to wage slavery and getting completey burned out) and started help with animals welfare which to me is frankly wierd because society was always telling me l would just squander my time. I don't wake up every day shouting for joy but yeah it's a significant, and sometimes even huge improvement on my quality of life. Probably more than l realise.
You can do that now. I got my job after doing work experience with insects and I love my job. My boss made my work place after finishing his qualifications and starting his own business. He dedicates his time to helping others and doing things he likes and he is able to live off it.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 Live off the labour of his employees yes.
What about the employees?
People need money to be able to enjoy life.
@@cadkls I do enjoy life. I have a well paid job that wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for my boss.
As a trekkie; let me explain. The economic system varies. In the Original series was very influenced by Gene Roddenberry (the creator) was a maoist. The introduction of a credit system of exchange was meant to be used for exchange between humans/Starfleet and their allies during the Next Generation, also the introduction of matter replicators. In DS9, Ben Sisko´s father owns a restaurant on earth where there isn´t a need to sell his food, but rather he does because he likes to cook and gives the food to the people that want it. However in Star Trek Voyager, the crew of the ship traded goods and services for replicator-rations, the replicators used large amounts of energy that was limited by the need to travel 70,000 light years. Much of the communist economics were not very present in Star Trek shows as of the start of Star Trek Discovery, and almost completely abandoned in Star Trek Picard.
@@tinydave17 well the source for him being a maoist (or having Maoist tendencies) was Gene´s wife who said he had maoist-tendencies
By chance do you know what film or series the clip in the beginning is from, I wanted to watch it and get into Star Trek.
@@gamesilike4984 It's from star trek beyond, the introduction to the Yorktown starbase. Beyond is one of the three reboot movies, which the community is split upon (they are more action-focused than classic trek shows). I personally liked it.
@@SECONDQUEST Am I the only one who doesn't consider Picard to be canon.
@@scifience8297 Thank you for responding about the economic system in Star Trek. I was curious and it's super appreciated.
If there was a UBI in the US, I would be able to work my passion without having to worry about "moving up" so I can support a family or buy a house, etc. I have been working with adults with developmental disablities for almost a decade (I've also worked with autistic children as a behavior tech, teachers aid, and camp counselor). I have moved into working at an office for student exchange, as it provides more upward ability and pays better. But if I could do one job for the rest of my life, it would be hands on caregiving for developmentally disabled adults. Unfortunately, most of the actual hands on jobs pay minimum wage - and I don't want to be a manager or case worker who works from an office with limited time with clients (no offense to those who do those jobs - they're super important!!!) I just love doing to hands on stuff.
Anyways, sorry the ramble - I would just love if I could do what I love and still be guaranteed a living wage. unfortunately caregivers just aren't valued enough for the work they do - but that's a whole other ramble! 😜
We all want to do what we love. We need ubi to accomplish this. Your rant is what everyone wants to do but they think it’s going to hurt us, when it would vastly improve human life and people could literally invent and make us even better.
If it wasn't for the capitalists we could all have free energy and more right now thanks to Tesla.
But capitalism kills true innovation so instead Tesla died unappreciated and the CIA confiscated his brilliant ideas.
Dope Ragu, what you're doing in student exchange is one of the things that has always excited me. I have never been able to find an opportunity to work in the field, and I'm in my 60s.
Trekkie here.
_You explained it pretty well:_ Star trek's federation economy is not clearly shown, but there exist hints of both socialist and capitalist components in their economic system.
It should also be noted that the federation in star trek is shown over multiple centuries of progress, so *temporal changes in the economic system are possible/likely.*
Additionally *there is still scarcity by definition, since not everything can exist in infinite abundance.* The federation is only really post-scarcity in some sectors of their economy, like food supply (thanks to replicators) and even in these sectors distant colonies do not always have easy access to the vast amounts of energy and resources available in the core member world (earth, vulcan, etc.), which leads to a major political crysis when in the late 24th century.
Somebody once said that capitalism and socialism, each by itself, is like a bicycle with one wheel -- possible, but ever unstable. The implication was that both are necessary and complementary.
@@sassy0010 That sounds like a misunderstanding of what Capitalism/Socialism are. (They are not, for example, the same as Business/Government)
@@sassy0010 Yeah a liberal politician who was trying to discredit his socialists opponents said that lmao just because someone said something a long time ago doesn't mean that it is true or has any particular wisdom to it. That line is full of shit and is just an attempt to try to hide the fact that capitalism is an utterly bankrupt system that's actively leading to the demise of human civilization.
I think its sad that working a 9 to 5 has been embedded in peoples heads so heavily that they don't know what they would do if they weren't working a 9 to 5
Edit: im glad my comment was able to spark a lot of debating and contribution to the argument. Let me elaborate what I think people should be doing if they weren't working for someone else... work for yourself! What do you like to do? Personally, I want to go to Japan some day. I want to be fit and bulkier. I also want to make money in what I love for a living (making music for film and games and writing stories). With all this being said, if i did not have to spend time working a 9 to 5, i would work out everyday, write a song or produce some music, and practice my Japanese. I already do these things when I'm not working but I can't dedicate too much time to them because I need to come back to reality. The truth is that i don't have time to always work out, the chances of me making a steady income off my music are slim, and who knows if ill ever be able to save up enough money to ever go to Japan. Basically, I (and people as a whole) have less time on their hands to actually live but it makes no sense. As a society, ubi should be one if not our main priority. Without ubi, people have no time to be creative and when people cannot be creative, our society becomes stagnant. I believe stagnant societies lead to collapse. Now some might say "if everyone had a decent income and weren't bound by financial instability, we wouldn't have work done in certain areas of the workplace". My answer to that is whatever you are interested in, others will be too. For example, there are people who like the culinary arts. We should connect jobs to schools. In this case, it would be alright working at a restaurant because you want to work in food. There is little to no connection to the workplace and schools right now leaving lots of graduates on their own. I went a little off topic talking about problems related towards the disconnection between schools and jobs but i think ubi can certain help with these issues as well because people will be financially free to work for companies that share their interests without worrying about losing a home. People with still be able to earn money but everything else will be extra.
@MoFi
Ironically enough I think that Pandemic has shown many people the things they can do when they don’t work.
They'll learn. Our world has changed a lot since the 9-5 factory work was first invented, I mean hell we got used to the internet and social media companies stealing our data and using it to sell us shit that we dont need, so compared to all that, getting used to living without a 9 - 5 job shouldnt be a tall order. Plus like he said, it's not the end of work, it's just the end of people NEEDING to get any job just to survive.
Chaos Ork nice !
I work 13.5 hour shifts and get paid around 150 pounds for that shift. So I earn 600 a week 2400 a month. Etc...
I work because I like it and it pays more bills, mortgage and provides plenty of happiness.
@@fourlamb1 that's not a living wage though tbh. That's what's f'd up about our economy. U can slave for the money and make pennies compared to someone who owns a business and does maybe a quarter of what you do and makes millions or billions. Yet they can't pay you a living wage
UBI also begins to equalize the power between employee and employer. Suddenly, with basic needs met, people don't NEED to work an awful retail job. This, in turn, would force these companies to pay higher wages and/or treat their workers much better than they currently do. Likewise, overpaid positions would be lowered as more people have the time and energy to apply themselves. Suddenly we see the poorest, most exploited individuals cost of living rise while the highest paid individuals are reigned in from exploiting the system.
That doesn't solve the capitalist problem though. A system where profits are the only driving motivator is one that is antithetical to humanity. Capitalism doesn't care that it's causing catastrophic climate change. Capitalism doesn't care that many people are living existences of agony, both physically and mentally. Capitalism doesn't care about innovation. Capitalism doesn't care whether you can eat, sleep, have housing, clothing, can drink clean water, have clean air to breath, etc.
The only thing Capitalism cares about is ensuring that Private Property, which is different from personal property (like conservatives dumb toothbrush strawman), enriches the owner as much as possible, everything else is secondary at best. Capitalism cannot exist in a just and humane world.
I completely disagree. The whole point of UBI is privatising welfare. Its taking the money that would be spent on huge government programs and giving it to the consumer who then can use it in the free market.
You are completely wrong about capitalism. Of course capitalism cares about innovation. Innovation makes the cost cheaper and the profits higher. This makes the capitalist more money. Capitalism very much cares whether you can have the basic needs. The capitalist wants you to get the basic needs from them. The capitalist cannot live without the consumer.
Property rights do not make distinctions between private property and personal property. If you own something, it is rightfully yours. Trying to abolish those rights will mean that personal property will be affected. You are right capitalism cannot exist in a just and humane world but the world isn't just and humane and it never will be.
Nooooooo way why do people think capitalism only exists in its purest form sweden and norway are both capitalist germany is capitalist and has the 3rd largest economy . The world is NOT the US
Americans complain about their system yet forget the poorest american lives richer lives than individuals in 3rd world countries
@@saasda6255 thats not true at all what about all of the american homeless starving and with out healthcare?
You're right
I largely agree with the human benefits of UBI as you expressed them, but I think it's important to consider how it might play out if the laissez-faire capitalist status quo is maintained. We could easily have a situation where UBI checks are gobbled up by landlords and the poor remain just as poor as they are today. Especially with proposals like Andrew Yang's that would cut other kinds of welfare (e.g. food stamps) as a deduction from the UBI payment, I'm worried that they might not meaningfully fix systemic poverty in the way we would hope. I think ultimately the answer is de-commodification of most of life's necessities like healthcare, education, food, and housing. Seeing the difficulty of that in the short term though, I think some version of UBI is probably the best interim solution. We just need to make sure it's implemented in a way that the intended recipients actually get to keep their benefits, instead of immediately going upstream and maintaining the existing wealth hegemony.
If landlords make more money per housing unit, they will invest in more housing and push down the price for more income. If they dont, other house owners will and compete them out of business.
@@BartJBols Is that what the sacred market has done to housing thus far?
@@BartJBols If landlords extract more money from their tennants they will buy more properties to rent driving house prices out of reach and forcing more people to rent thus maintaining demand. We already see this in many cities across the world.
Supply and demand. With a UBI, everyone could pay for rent, allowing landlords to get more property, and prices fall due to supply and demand
Shame a law that would benefit so many people needs a "Don't Be Fucking Evil; It's Their Money, Not Yours, and Not An Excuse to Raise Rent or Mortgages" clause.
I really hope that UBI happens "working" in a soul crushing "job" is the biggest waste of life that anyone can think of. The so called protestant work ethic is long overdue for a re-think.
Its def the biggest cause of depression in America working these jobs and mandatory overtime. I recently got fired from my 9-5 job and am on unemployment now so I can study to get a better paying job. While I have not been working I have been the happiest Ive been in a long time and have time to do things and spend time with family and friends and time to study, exercise and better my self.
Better to die than submit to slavery.
@bn stndrd Anything below $25-32 an hour in most of the USA would be considered slave wages. As the cost of living when adjusted for inflation at present for majority of the USA is between $25-32/hr.
I won't be taking any jobs in the future ever again that pay below $27/hr personally. With the only exception being learning a new skill set. Such as a trade skill apprenticeship, as I view a new skill as far more valuable. So if they pay me $15/hr to learn a skill while getting paid that is temporary in order to learn the skill.
UBI would need to become a necessity once all the menial jobs inevitably get automated. but this would get heavily lobbied against by employers if the cost ot automate these jobs exceeds keeping ppl on them at current wages.
“We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”
-Buckminster Fuller, 1970
Yep this idea of everyone having to work their 40 hour workweek is so ingrained in society. Where i live the government even subsidizes social work facilities so disabled people can still work 40 hour workweeks. Apparently everyone working 40 hours per week is the utopian end goal. And if you are not able to the government sends people to your house to make damn sure that no-one is supporting you financially, and you live in poverty.
Because the idea of someone who can't work the 40 hour week living a dignified life without penny pinching and money stress, is not very socially accepted. What they don't get is that saving 100 dollar to make sure that these people only have the bare minimum bites them in the ass later on. These people that live in constant money stress will cost society so much more in the long run through stress induced mental illness. The whip can't be the only motivation anymore in 2021...
Well if we wanted to bring manufacturing back, then we need it, robots are more likely to take over manufacturing and a lot of people are unemployed not to mention the people unemployed from the pandemic.
While manufacturing is the obvious "victim" of automation, AI and increasingly smart and powerful software makes lots of office jobs unnecessary (just think of how many people were replaced by the calculating power of Excel).
It is a basic income or the rich hoarding all the money, no longer needing the workers.
And with workers I also mean doctors, lawyers ect. Everyone who lives of a paycheck instead of his investments.
As far as I'm concerned, any argument to "bring back manufacturing jobs" is hollow. Regardless of the country, if the jobs left in the first place, there is a good reason for that. And there is no way they will ever return. Manufacturers may move where the manufacturing itself takes place, but the number of jobs for people is gone. Focus should be directed elsewhere.
@@adamgtrap The jobs left because other countries have shitty worker protection laws and wages. Factories can abuse the people there to their hearts content. The moment these factories can no longer mistreat these people they will move again.
Having lost most manufacturing is also a matter of national defense. The western world is too depended on low wage production.
@@JeroenDoes the last thing you said is the important part, low wage production. Manufacturing jobs left because of lower manufacturing costs. There is no way they will come back if it's going to increase costs. That's why any talk of them coming back to give workers their jobs back is completely meaningless.
You could even say the real reason slavery went away and hasn't had much push to bring it back is because gasoline and increased technology has lowered labor cost compared to slaves.
Its depressing that ubi is still considered extreme while America dabbles with fascism and heads straight into a great depression.
To the dude named "Boot Jew" Who left the wonderful message of "Thats what you get with the blacks" and then deleted it later. Your ideology is the past my friend. We either unite to create a better future or fight each other until this country burns to the ground. You may run back to your Q hole now.
Conservatism isn’t the same as fascism
There was a pretty large Twitter poll (retweeted by Benjamin Dixon) recently asking people what side they would pick it they had to pick between being a socialist (generally) and being a Nazi.
Something like 45% of those polled picked Nazi.
Sadly we have a long way to go to deprogram Americans.
@@Sean-yc2ji bloody hell, 45% is scarily high!
@@thepolishcow9050 - Conservatives aren't fascist (I lived with a bunch of good-hearted conservatives, so this is obvious), but Trump is more than 50% of the way there, which is alarming for the leader of a country.
The UBI scene would be one of a peaceful, content civilization with no need for resource wars, crimes, murder, poverty, or discontent.
I mean, that's way too idealistic, as these are still people we're talking about, but yeah for reduced poverty
UBI would destroy the incentive to work. UBI is NOT good. its like communism. History has taught us this doesn't work.
@@matt.lehodey Yeah, but what do we do? I would estimate that 30 percent of humans will lose their jobs by 2050, even more. So what do you suggest we do? Should the ultra rich just leave us starving and having no reason to leave? Also, UBI won't destroy the incentive to work if there is no work left. I would suggest you watch this video if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/7Pq-S557XQU/видео.html .
@@matt.lehodey you literally didn't even watch the video did you?
The problem is many people start doing stupid things if they have money that makes work voluntary. They live extremely unhealthy lives and / or start arguing about unimportant things. Just look at Nauru, Saudi Arabia, and SJW. That issue must be resolved at the same time, otherwise it is just a shortcut to disaster.
I cannot work because of severe anxiety and mood disorders and had to quit man jobs because of severe anxiety attacks. Before COVID, I started volunteering and I found it much more fulfilling and was much more motivated to go to work even though I wasn't being paid. I heard the other volunteers and the one employee complaining about how lazy young adults today are and how they don't want to work. It honestly kind of hurt my feelings considering I was going several times a week giving my time and labour to them for free and being passionate about doing a good job.
yea it's hard for some people to grasp on an idea that us young ones are lazy, just because we aren't producing high-value money. our generation has been fucked up by the previous generations and greed of other people, politician, corporations and billionaires, that we are in need of constant healing meantally just to recover from all of that. this is the main reason why we tend to go for jobs/work that provides us meaning, gives up purpose, and makes us feel like we can actually change something for good.
it sucks when the modern world sees your purpose only if you can earn big buck, then you're just a garbage to them if you serve with meaning
Thanks a lot for this video. We spent most of our lives doing a job that we don't like just because we need to survive, I think a lot in others things that I could do as: writing, creating games and music. The only time I've to do such things are the weekends, but let's be realistic it's a time when you're tired and just want to rest making difficult to be creative or do something awesome. In the end it appears that we keep living our lives but not doing what we really want or exploring our talents. The worst part is that since we're still young it's like seeing all your talent being wasted and your golden years passing by and you can't anything to change the situation because of your 40~48 hours job.
Second thought, look at how healthcare was back in the 1950s and 60s in America. Healthcare was significantly cheaper (even accounting for inflation) and higher quality, even without a socialized healthcare. Singapore is a modern example of how it was.
This sounds like a dream. To actually be able to afford fixing my roof is ridiculous.
As a roofing contractor I will say this: just do a quick repair and wait for a hailstorm for a new one. But I do live in TX where everyone gets hit by a hailstorm every 5-10 years, and thus a new roof.
UBI would destroy the incentive to work. UBI is NOT good. its like communism. History has taught us this doesn't work.
@@mattbowdenuh I also live in texas, but here we get heavy rain instead of hail.
@@matt.lehodey Communism isn't bad. What the soviet union did was more like fascism disguised as communism. Either way, capitalism is clearly not working if most people can barely afford a roof over their head. I'm leaving the US as soon as possible, because this system has consistently screwed my family over and I'm not about to become another homeless statistic in extreme debt due to student fucking loans.
@@Error403HRD Yeah communism and socialism does not indicate how society became and maintains that style of economy. It's just that everytime so far in our history it was done using an oppressive authoritarian or totalitarian government.
Healthcare is expensive.
Most of the world : yes but actually no
Imagine getting diagnosed with cancer and bankruptcy at the same time.
@@lordodysseus
Wait that's not the American dream?
No way letting a whole society live in health insecurity with financial consequences that range from annoying to catastrophic could have hidden societal costs. NOOOOOOOO!!!! Capitalism made iphones! Venezuela!
@@SofaKingShit Gotta love that they always go on about Venezuela and totally ignore the many other countries that have universal healthcare and are doing better than the US with its shitty healthcare.
@@v8ali8 its true 😂😂,
Honestly, a huge round of applause to Andrew Yang for bringing this into the mainstream.
He also proved to me that almost any policy position can be framed in terms that's appealing to the liberal vs conservative divide. Something that is ostensibly a lefty policy has a lot of right-libertarian juice behind its framing.
I want you to go to work and pay me so I can go hunting and fishing whenever I want to and I can work on my art of grilling. And if you don't agree with this you're clearly a Nazi
@@bka8851 that's a massive oversimplification. Remember, the guy working also gets the money too, not just the one hunting and fishing. The guy working has just as much freedom to go hunting and fishing, or whatever else he's passionate about, as the other one. If you work, it'd be because you WANT to work, and UBI studies so far have all showed that those getting the UBI are driven to work even more than before. So realistically, you'd have very few people not working at all.
The value already exists in the economy, it's just too concentrated at the top 1%. VAT tax + UBI is just a clever way at redistributing a little bit of that value to everybody, giving the bottom 50% a little breathing room.
Andrew yang's UBI policy isnt helpful because of how its funded. His freedom dividend policy offers people a choice between social security benefits such as food stamps, Medicaid and section 8 in replacement for 1000 dollars a month. The amount americans in poverty receive through these benefits exceeds 1000 dollars, and many of them will still need benefits to survive. Any threat to the already fragile social spending we already do have is a direct threat to the american people
@@elliottclark5965 I'm not entirely sure how those people would recieve the benefits they need on top of UBI. That's the one part I haven't heard a good solution for. So you have a good point
I always loved the idea of UBI and think we could advance so much more as a society with UBI, however that makes us very vulnerable, we depend on someone other than ourselves for our needs.... makes it very easy to be abused by those who provide the UBI....
"Second Thought" is clearly coming into his stride. "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." - Karl Marx
Brian Beeler Does anyone refer to Karl Marx as Karl?
@@m1l22 I think Engels did
Hands down the absolute best content creator on this site in my humble opinion
You should probably be careful to listen to what he said. As his ideas have caused 100 million deaths, and even more have ended up in poverty and corruption.
@@earl3412 Karl invented a new ideology and did not know what it would lead to. I do not place any responsibility on him. But his ideas were obviously absolutely catastrophic, so one has to be critical of his ideas.
I feel like UBI shouldn't even be necessary. Living space, water, food, and utilities including Internet should be provided to everyone, regardless. We shouldn't need to give people money for them to survive without stress.
@@charles9980 I'm speaking idealistically haha, in our current world yes, we need some sort of UBI. But I'd prefer necessary things like I mentioned be socialized and just provided, so UBI is less necessary ya know?
What is a need and what is a want? How do you tell them apart?
Well this Sounds Just Like communism with extra steps.
I like
Yes, but how much living space / water / food and utilites is adequate per person?
What if the person wants as many children as possible just to get more of these things?
attlue if they have more children, they NEED more of those things
Those receiving the money in Finland reported being happier, which is so obvious that it's disturbing it's even mentioned. The question is whether the added happiness is more than what else you could have achieved with that money, like in the US for instance it could have been used to support healthcare as you pointed out. In my opinion if we get rid of the entire section of social benefits (Kela here in Finland), use that money including the overhead, such as the bureaucracy and the costs of running such a system with all their offices, we would need much less of an increase in taxation to provide a decent level of UBI.
Keke Rosberg Youre not wrong
welfare and its ensuing poverty would be eliminated, fear of not able to afford decent safe shelter would be eliminated, fear of food insecurity would be eliminated...but government is slow to see this benefit of UBI. Finland I think is the model for UBI, all other countries should base their economy on that model.
@@kekerosberg1654 here in Europe we have more of a community mentality where as in America everything is mine and mine.
I think UBI should just be an expansion of the existing welfare state. I see no reason why the welfare state should keep growing in the 21st century and the systems we've already established are much more effective than private counterparts. We should really just cut away means testing in general as it usually just results in a much more expensive system and really I do not give a shit if it results in the wrong person getting some support as in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much.
The Federation does have a currency called the Federation Credit. Citizens of the Federation don't need to use it within the Federation itself because of the post-scarcity economy, but there are lots of worlds outside the Federation that would be considered capitalist (Ferenginar, for example). That makes it necessary for the Federation to have a currency so that they can trade with worlds that still use money.
One notable exception seems to be Deneb IV, which is a Federation world. Crusher purchased some fabric from a vendor there and asked that it be charged to her "account".
To answer a bit regarding Trek and banks and credits, we have basically two things:
1) The only banks noted are not part of the Federation. Bolians on Bolarus IX, like the Ferengi on Ferenginar, have what is most likely a market economy. Bolians have a cordial relationship with the Federation, and Bolians are Federation citizens, live on Earth and elsewhere there, and serve in Starfleet. But the Bank of Bolias is not a Federation bank.
2) Federation Credits are used by Federation citizens and primarily Starfleet when dealing with expenses with societies that are not as advanced as the Federation and are still choking under capitalism like for instance the Ferengi. So the only situation where you need and would use Federation Credits is if you're going to Quark's Bar. It is kind of like a UBI, except it's solely for going to Quark's Bar since you have your own replicator that can just make you all the synthenol and raktajino you need (unless you're Worf and Quark has hacked the station replicators again and your prune juice comes in a mug that plays an ad ditty for Quark's).
But it is true that the how's of Federation society and economy are not really explained, and tend to change depending on the needs of the episode and the series (and overall era of Trek production). But in TNG and DS9, it's made fairly clear that on Earth and other core worlds of the Federation, money no longer exists, and there is no hunger, poverty, or crime anymore. It's actually a fairly neat plot element in a DS9 storyline, where Sisko is frustrated that his Starfleet superiors on Earth don't understand that he is not dealing with people living in a paradise where all problems have been solved, but people in a manichean guerilla war who live in a just-settled frontier where the technological infrastructure that produces infinite free energy and can assemble anything on a molecular level out of anything has not been built yet. That's in general why I love DS9 the most out of all Treks, one of its main running themes is that the utopia of the Federation was not easily won, and it is necessary to fight to protect it and uphold its values.
Ever since discovering this channel, I have been learning so much things that I did not know would interest me. Keep up the amazing work!
are you a socialist?
"We as a society believe that people working hard to develop their passions and talents is not beneficial at all to society, but selling our souls over to corporations to become slaves that make those above us rich and happy yet not us is far more honourable and logical."
As a disability activist by trade, UBI needs to be a thing NOW. Do you know how many disabled people are languishing in abusive relationships because they cannot financially leave? How many children are growing up, watching a parent be abused, because the victim is disabled and cannot do anything to protect themselves and their kids? Disability benefits are based on how much you pay into the system before you become disabled - I was hit crossing the road by a reckless (uninsured) dude at 26...and since I was an academic, I had paid almost nothing into the system. After supplemental, I am due something like $700/mo on disability benefits, if I stay in CA. Where in CA can I survive on that, pray tell?
At its best, disability benefits are still significantly less than minimum wage. Why am I worth less because some idiot broke my spine? I don't have any family, both of my parents died young and my extended family peaced out years ago. How does that mean that I deserve to be out on the streets? Or forced to do who knows what to survive? Can you imagine what it feels like to matter so little to your fellow humans? What messaging like that does to you day in and day out?
The answer isn't just better disability benefits. Means testing, the way to get us into disability benefits in the first place, are incredibly harmful and difficult to navigate - ESPECIALLY for those who are already dealing with massive health shit. Thought Slime has a wonderful video on this called "Pete Buttegieg, Means Testing Sucks".
Let me explain. I landed on my face at 30mph. The curve of my neck is reversed and my spinal cord permanently damaged. I lost most of the nerve response to my right arm. I use forearm crutches for short distances and a wheelchair for anything like a grocery store. My pelvis is in two pieces. When I do walk, because of my spinal cord and my pelvis, I walk so weirdly that I have broken the same bone in my right foot four times. The first two times I didn't know it was broken and just walked on it with a bone in my foot being in two pieces. All of this isn't even half of what is wrong with me, it just gives you an idea.
Last year I found out that due to the instability in my spine, my left jugular vein has partially collapsed in my temporal lobe. This has created an extremely rare brain disorder that, if nothing else, has gotten me attention from some really amazing brain surgeons who will likely publish off of me. I am just hoping to see my 2nd grader get to college. I am incredibly sick much of the time, because my brain is literally squeezing itself to death. I am essentially constantly sustaining a concussion. (Yes. I had a baby like this. Holy shit disabled people fuck? There is a wonderful Podcast called Disability After Dark by an amazing human named Andrew Gurza if you're interested in this topic!)
And with all of this, I cannot qualify for Medicaid, because I inherited a relatively small amount of money when my mom committed suicide. Even with all that, I've also been turned down for Social Security Disability repeatedly - though because I married someone financially secure I decided not to pursue the benefits because of how unstable the system is and because I can't be paid for my work contracting as a disability proofreader, etc, AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PAYING DISABLED FOLX FOR OUR EDUCATION AND STOP TELLING US IT WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. JUST STOP.
Given the cost of our durable medical, medications, etc (which we shouldn't be fucking paying for, but, you know, I don't MATTER in the U.S., do you know how many edgelords have told me Covid is here to clear people like me out of society?) I absolutely think disabled and chronically ill people should be getting additional money on top of UBI. My new wheelchair that I have to upgrade to is going to cost me close to $10K out of pocket when all is said and done, and I am getting it second-hand. But because of the brain stuff, I need some extra tilt features.....so here we are. But how we do the additional benefits without means testing is a question I will leave up to better minds than mine. Or, at least less squished ones.
But hey, I get my own emoji!!! 🤯
Hope it will get better for you
A better alternative to UBI is UBS (Universal Basic Services), so a minimum standard of living is still guaranteed at a much lower cost and with a higher chance of being effective. Still a great video as always.
You know, that sounds like a happy dream, the main reason that worries me is that the system leaves people vulnerable even more so to the desition of people handling the funds of UBI, corruption is very likely too. But i wish this could some day be a reality. That is the opposite to being misantropic, it shows how humans care for each other.
I'm a big proponent of national UBI in the US, but I'll admit I have one big fear regarding implementing it. I worry that businesses will simply increase their prices rapidly inflating the cost of living so workers now have to work in addition to their UBI payments to survive. Capitalism loves reducing down to the common denominator of exploitation.
@DankMemeKid I'll agree with you only in the sense that in America we don't properly regulate capitalism, so therefore it's inherently reprehensible nature is more free to do harm.
@@CompactDisc7227 but that would lead to high amounts of inflation
UBI isn't meant to live off off bc it wouldn't be enough. It's a supplement to your current income.
@DankMemeKid yes... lol at so many other nations. Just... so many of them.
@@showmeTDs I disagree. UBI should absolutely be enough that a person can live. If you lived on UBI alone you wouldn't have the best of everything, but you'd be able to have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. Your additional income would become a means to have more comfort or things you want, but you could also spend your life on worthy pursuits that will never pay. The trade-life-for-currency model is the only thing demanding otherwise.
UBI is a nice concept but in transition it should start with lowering retirement age. The retirees would free up jobs for the younger people.
it’s pretty amazing how well second thought is doing despite being overtly against the oligarchs that run the platform. hopefully it’s a good sign.
I was waiting for this video! Amazing job. Just a (very long) word about funding, for those interested:
I am a conservative libertarian, and until a few months ago, a horrified debt hawk that saw us headed for a cliff. Now I understand that we can easily afford UBI, national health-care/insurance, infrastructure overhauls, scientific endeavors, all of it. As long as the government doesn't spend so fast that it causes inflation (in the sector that it spends in), every dollar the government spends is good for the economy. The WW2 economy was this in action. Deflation caused the Great Depression (they let the money supply diminish by 1/3-- glad we've learned our lesson), and government spending pulled us out. It caused inflation, but it's an extreme example. The bulk of the inflation from then to today actually occured in the 1970s, when oil shocks caused everything to become more expensive. (Definitionally, "inflation.") Wages also froze at that time, and that's the fun hell we've been in for the last 50 years. Among the general public, the money supply has dwindled. Focusing on the uber-rich is distracting-- the real problem is that We The People don't have any of OUR money.
The United States Dollar is a public good. The federal government (Fed and Treasury) have a monopoly on the currency. The US Government does not need your filthy beer money to fund their wars. The Defence Department will NEVER have a check bounce at the Treasury, and as far as I know, Congress generally doesn't bother with "funding measures" and "offsets" when it comes to the Armed Forces. All federal departments are funded, ultimately, by the Full Faith and Credit of the United States. They use the public bank.
Where have We The People gone to for money? Well, since the government won't do it's damn job and distribute the stuff, we go to private banks. There, a few entries on a ledger can make money happen by magic! Only, along with the "money," there's now "debt." And you know how the rest of that goes. These are private companies that are allowed to lord over the currency that properly belongs to the public. All banks that deal in USD should be public. Private banks, private money. (Let the insane speculators deal in their own currency and leave ours alone.) This is a broken system. UBI is the first step to the fix.
The government has to spend money first in order to tax it back later. There is no other way for the government to get money. Read those two sentences again, please. If the government spends more, it will definitionally collect more in taxes. (What we tax and by how much are decisions made for different reasons. They don't fund anything-- our politicians are pretending they do.) UBI pays for itself, just because that's how the accounting works. Every dollar that doesn't get taxed back is a dollar in somebody's savings account. (Just not yours or mine, right now.) It pays for itself under the old framework as well, since you spend less on the effects of poverty (less jails, less medical expenses, less means-tested aid, less wasted potential), and since everyone's incomes are higher, they pay more in income taxes.
You can be against UBI, and that's fine. You just can't tell me we don't have the money. We have everything we need BUT the money.
(And thanks for reading all that. Seriously. If you're still curious, read 'The Deficit Myth' by Stephanie Kelton.)
In star trek credits are a currency used for trade outside the federation, say the federation wants materials to build ships with, they pay in credits, and then if you have credits you can go and buy from the federation.
Maybe just stop investing so much into military!
"But we need a army to scare other nations into making bigger armies, because it's tradition to kill our own species" -most nations
@@flutee6162 laughs in Swiss
(i know said most nation and so probably one meant as exception but meme was to good not to use)
Tell that to China.
@@blitz-625 we spend way more than China does yearly on military. The United States spends the most money out of any military in the world and it's so much that we spend more money than the next eight countries combined. We're fine
“We need to make our army stronger to bankrupt the soviets because screw morals”-Ronald Reagan
I feel like this needs to be said, here in Scotland, we already have universal healthcare, need meds? Broke an arm? Go to the hospital and get what you need, no up front cost, it's all paid by taxes. The SNP is going to put forward a bill to bring in UBI in next year's election, given that they constantly win each time, and deliver on their promises (see baby boxes for new parents, and free tampons/pads for women in college and uni) hopefully we'll also get it by next year or by 2022, depending on the roll out. It's an exciting time to be alive.
Did u get ubi ? Did that happen?
@@abhiprakash74999 sadly no, the idea was we’d use oil money and everyone in Scotland would get a slice of the pie, but the conservatives in London have caught tooth and nail from preventing us holding another independence referendum.
Near the end, you said "There are so many things we need to spend money to fix" I personally think that the most important thing to fix would every person equal power in the decisions of what to do with the money. Because then finding the correct order would be easier and everybody would agree more, except for the people who get what want already.
UBI for 40 hour/month work for the country/community. Like cleaning streets, planting trees, nacional industrial job. healthcare job for the ones who can, teachers and scool personal and so on.
One way I think to get people interested in ubi is through entertainment. There is a lack of movies, tv shows and games with basic income as a trope. I think the more people see the concept through the entertainment that they consume, the more they will gravitate towards the idea.
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#YangGang!
@Boots Jew he's not even Chinese lol. Don't you look silly?
Damn, thats gotta hurt
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@Boots Jew ➊ that comment was disgusting. I can tell your a terrible human being
With the cost of UBI argument I say that the money you give people for UBI goes back into the economy with taxes
I spend 5 out of every 7 days of my life making money for someone else while hoping desperately for those 5 days to be over so that I can spend Saturday being mentally and emotionally exhausted. Then on Sunday I get to spend the whole day with physically painful anxiety of the coming 5 days while doing all the chores I can't do when I'm spending the next 5 days making money for someone else.
Let your frustration and despair lead you on a path to getting off the hamster wheel. There are always options. Open your mind and start thinking and brainstorming of ideas. There's a wealth of free information out here. Take advantage and free yourself.
@@Danibuki You don't know unless you try. 80% think or talk their way out of it before even putting forth the effort. Add that too all of the naysayers and negative Nancy's. No one said it was easy but it sure is possible.
in 2013 I became disabled and was unable to work, for the first 2-3 months it was great and I was kinda lazy just watching shows and playing video games the whole day... after that though I got caught up on all the T.V. shows I had interests in, and I played all my games to the point I lost interest, and I got bored I wanted to return to work because even though I only ever worked as a cashier or a customer service call rep it was better than the insufferable boredom, not to mention it took 2 and a half years to get onto SSA Disability and even once I did it didn't cover my rent living alone so I had to move in with family, after I did I contributed 100% of the pay I got to my portion of the bills (rent, electricity, internet, phone, transportation, renters insurance, food and care for my service animal.) and even then I was still not contributing my portion of the bills. I was also reminded constantly by society that I wasn't just a burden to my family but to society as well and that it would have been better for society if I was just no longer alive simply because I was not able enough to work.. in 2019 I was finally well enough to return to work so I am contributing to society again and people I meet treat me differently now all because I work a a job for a company that doesn't give a shit if I live or die in their facility so long as I get product to customers on time, and if I don't I get removed from my position and get fired...
Currently, no country has a UBI in place, although there have been (and still are) several small-scale pilots and a few larger-scale experiences. Only two countries-Mongolia and the Islamic Republic of Iran-had a national UBI in place for a short period of time.
the World Bank.
Great video. As companies accelerate the transition to automation, UBI makes a lot of sense and we help eliminate poverty. Because economic value does not equal human value
its stupid that so many belive that we can't afford UBI, when the 3 rechest men in the usa own more money than the bottem 50%
*believe *richest *bottom
@@Enderia2 sorry my spelling sucks
that's an understatement. They own more than the Bottom 80 percent.
@@luapark3068 i don;t know how bad the disparity is, but its really bad. ANd helping the millions uneployed by covid i more importent than jeff bezoes bank account
@@josefelixestigarribiacaniz4138 good if implemented properly.
Thanks for doing this video. My home town of Long Beach, CA is about to implement a UBI system and I'm all for it.
have fun when their economy crashes
I understood "credits" as being for buying from non-federation folk.
"Here, this says The Federation owes you for my new ship."
Star Trek believes in getting satisfaction in what you do, and not the money you make. DS9 deals with money more than the other shows, but it is mostly because of the Ferengi(alien race that is capitalistic in history). You get everything you need, so you are not worrying about food, shelter, medicine, or anything. They want you to focus on making your best self. Capitan Picard does a good job at explaining it throughout the next gen.
UBI is an interesting concept, but it could have been unnecessary. Remember in the video "America's overwork obsession", he stated that in the 1960s many families only needed one bread-winner in the family and now with two most families can barely scrape by despite Americans being 4x more productive today. That shift happened in the 1970s when Nixon took us off the gold standard and massive inflation took place. Inflation destroyed the purchasing power of Americans because the costs of everything went up faster than salaries did. If we never made the mistake of going off the gold standard and thus preventing massive inflation, then all Americans would have a higher purchasing power and a higher quality of life. Not only could we still have a sole bread-winner but he/she could even work part time because of the increase in productivity and still support the entire household. Then they would have more time to pursue their interests in the arts, sciences or whatever they desire.
So far, your comment is the only one that makes a lot of sense! Absolutely agree!
What's the gold standard?
@Boots Jew No if anything they increased the practice of Keynesian economics and it squanders scarce resources. Before the 1930s we had an Austrian economic model, where the government wouldn't interfere with the economy at all (except for certain instances where monopolist would lobby them to make the market noncompetitive). That changed with Hoover and the Great Depression who tried to implement price and wage control that made the depression worse. People don't generally know this but there was a depression back in 1919-1920 because of WWI and the influenza epidemic; the economy quickly recovered from the downturn because the government didn't try to step in and save it. If anything Keynesian economics is the problem. The gold standard is important because it means we have sound money that would depreciate in value; inflation is a drain on the economy and everyone's purchasing power.
@@koalasquare2145 It is when your currency is either gold or back by gold. This means that number of dollars you need to buy an ounce of gold is constant. Before the 1930s you could buy one ounce of gold for $20.67 and it was like that for a hundred years. The supply of gold is pretty stable so it means that your currency is stable as well. The dollar won't depreciate in value so you can basically put your dollars in a bank or even under a mattress and you would get richer. This is because the prices for goods would come down overtime due to increases in productivity and improvements in technology. You can buy more with the same amount of dollars over time.
@@koalasquare2145 You should REALLY look up the "Gold Standard", "Fiat Currencies", and "The Petro Dollar".
Understanding those 3 terms will help you wrap your head around why the world is the way it is, why the economy is in the state it is, why the US has a hard on for specific countries that seem like "Shithole countries nobody cares about"
Essentially, money used to be be backed by gold. The Government/Banks couldn't just create money the way they do now, because every dollar was backed by a specific amount of gold. If they wanted to increase the money supply, they had to increase their reserves of gold. It's why "All the gold in Fort Knox" is a saying, countries around the world keep their gold reserves (or some of them) in the US.
(Fun fact here, Germany has most of its gold in the US, the US has refused to verify that the German gold is still present, when requested, they were denied access to even view their own gold!
nomadcapitalist.com/2014/02/25/german-gold-fiasco-fed-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
Rumours have long been swirling that Nixon sold off all or most of the gold in Fort Knox, including other countries gold, after moving from the Gold Standard)
Nixon moved the US off the "Gold Standard" and onto "Fiat Currency" which is basically a system where money is backed by debt, and suddenly money can be created out of thin air quite easily.
(in super super super basic terms, again, I highly recommend you look up these topics)
And finally as a bonus, the "Petro-Dollar" refers to the system in which Oil is sold internationally for US $. Essentially,any country the US can schmooze, threaten, or bully has been forced to trade their oil for US currency. This means any country that wants to buy their oil needs US $, which means they must trade with the US, or someone who has US currency, to get the right currency to purchase oil... As a result there's an artificial demand for US currency, which gives the US a massive leg up in global trade.
Another fun fact, if you look at all the countries that have snubbed, or attempted to snub the 'Petro-Dollar' system, you find a very long list of countries where the US has overthrown the government, or attempted to do so. If you look at all the world leaders who have spoken about moving back to the Gold Standard, you'll find a list of world leaders who were killed and/or deposed.
(Again super watered down, half remembered version... you should not take my word for it and do some reading yourself. )
Ok, so thats my vision on this topic: everybody gets enough to survive (having an appartement, getting enough food, have some security if they happen to get sick etc.) This money is enough to survive, and some may even want to live off of it in order to pursue their dreams and become an artist with no additional income.
However, if you want to have a cool car, if you want to go on vacation, if you want to have a big party or go to a concert, you would have to work in order to afford it.
Another system that I like is the one we have here in switzerland: There is no basic income, but if you are unable to find work (because you have a disability, nobody wants to emply you for whatever reason etc) but you can prove that you applied for a job, your getting your basic needs covered by the state. Ofc there are some dickheads that exploit this system, but there arent too many.
There’s way more people that would benefit than dickheads that would exploit it, so in my book this is pretty much fine
@@agentc7020 exactly!
Ja, aber sozialhilf muesch zruggzahle, und darum bliibed fill lüüt in de sozialhilf stecke. will au wenn en job hesch, gar ned meh geld hesch wie mit sozialhilf, will immerno schulde bim staat hesch. Das führt dezue das e paar sozialhilfe empfänger sich gar ned d müeh mached en job z finde wills sich eh med so lohnt.
That's why I love freelance work. I have 10 hours per week I have to work and it covers my basic expenses. However if I want I can get more hours if I want to save up for something like a vacation or new guitar, computer parts etc.
@Lavithan that system you have in Switzerland we do have here in Germany as well. I'm actually in use of that right now because I have a disability of 60%. It's good that there is s system like that but the downside of it is that if you want work but you actually can't, than it is a really though life. And the money you get here honestly ain't that much to have at least a worrie less life. How much does someone get to live in Switzerland if I may ask? In germany we get 440€ a month + appartment which is currently 310€ for me.
This was a nice summary of the arguments. To me UBI seems like taking a “pension plan” from work or Social Security benefits and moving it to the front of your life instead of the end of your life. I’d like to compare studies on people who live on pension plans/Social Security and see how quality of life compares. I personally know quite a few retirees who seem to be enjoying really good lives on their pension/401K/SocSec benefits. I’ve also heard the horror stories for people who don’t have the medical coverage and lose everything to a medical event. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have that financial security when you’re statistically younger and healthier?
Your channel blows my mind. Every video - bang on.
Another major problem with UBI is money itself. Lets say that UBI will be 1000 units of some currency. If you give it to everyone you will face inflation skyrocketing. Next year you will need 1200 to cover base needs.
Giving money in never a good idea, it always devaluate the currency. It is better to provide free housing, medical care, food etc. Effect will be roughly the same, working will be optional.
Could you do a series on policies to improve democracy in the US. I think this would need an episode on each method, but I would be very interested to see your takes.
Examples include: Giving people money to lobby (aka Yang bucks). This would be $100 every election to keep the population's influence competitive with the corporate lobbyists.
There's making lobbying illegal completely.
There are ways to regulate mainstream misinformation or partisanship.
Yesss!! And policies like ranked choice voting would be a huge step in the right direction as well.
During the past 10 years, I have had to learn new skills on a constant basis. This is due to code and automation being able to do what I do faster and better. The code is also becoming better at adapting to new circumstances. I fear the moment I'll no longer be able to keep up.
And given the rate of technological advancement, I genuinely believe that will occur in my lifetime. The question is, will it happen when I'm 35 or when I'm about to retire. I'm worried that my current skill set will be automated away and I won't be able to learn and adapt to a new industry.
A massive majority of the comments on this channel agree with the idea of a UBI. As great as that is, we should stop wasting time convincing each other how we agree so much. Instead, I think we should be sharing ideas on how to convince people who disagree with us, because until we have much more people on our side, nothing will fundamentally change.
The comments here leave me to believe that most people commenting are well under the age of 30, and have never successfully completed any economics classes.
if you think that rent controls are going to solve any problems without creating bigger ones, you clearly do not understand the world you live in.
Rent controls have been tried. They do not work, because there is no incentive to provide good housing. There was no incentive to even maintain the quality of the existing housing.
Why would anybody put their money into housing? Their money can be invested better in other places.
The only other alternative is government housing. The government doesn't care if you like your housing. Go look at some examples in the world today if you don't think so.
Well, the usual argument I hear against UBI is "with free money, no one would be working."
Funny thing is that if you ask them if THEY would stop working the answer is always "hell no, I would contribute to society... BUT NO ONE ELSE WOULD."
It's the same discussing decriminalizing a heavy drug.
"If we legalize heroin, everyone would start shooting up!"
"Would you?"
"Hell no, i'm not a drug addict."
"......."
@@jamisojo most of the rental properties out there are owned by a very few large companies. They sit on tons empty properties waiting for people with enough money to come along. If you tax the fuck out of empty properties, there is suddenly an incentive to lower rental prices in order to fill their empty properties and avoid the punishing tax. They cannot allow their properties to fall into disrepair, or nobody will want to rent and the home will become subject to my killer tax on empty properties.
Why on earth would you want to defend the monsters who exploit people for insane profits under this broken system? Do you benefit from this broken system? I bet you do.
One (big) problem of UBI is that it is often funded by eliminating all other aid programs. For most people that's fine, you might need EI from time to time but that's it. For many other people, replacing all their aid packages with a flat amount often results in a significant reduction in assitance. If someone is getting $1500 in Section 8, $400 in Food stamps, $1000 in welfare the replacing the whole thing with $1000 cash will be a real kick in the nuts.
There are two things that I rarely hear mentioned when talking about UBI. One is that I don't think it would prevent people from starting business and trying to get rich. A UBI doesn't take away the incentive to get rich and have a big house. It just means that everybody can have at least a small house. Granted, the size of your house might still get limited on the top end if you're so successful that you start being taxed to pay for the UBI, but there's still a whole lot of room in the range in-between. The other is that, I would assume, that UBI could possibly replace other welfare programs. So a big chunk of it is already paid for just through the programs it would replace.
Imagine the culture shock of Karens who walk into retail establishments and try to pull all the entitled shit when the worker can quit because they're not completely dependent on the wage.
Oh, the horror. 😏
“There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.”
― Pierre Dos Utt
Yes. But with taxes you can make it free, since the public paid for it.
Free is an argument of semantics. Don't be stupid.
_“There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.”_
Billionaires eat for free everyday and eat very well. They didn't earn their money from the sweat of their own brow but off the backs of many, many others. They take from the proletariat like a leech sucks blood from its host. It's time to remove the billionaire bourgeois leeches from our society and toss them back into the swamp.
"Am I a joke to you?"
― The free lunch
@@seasong7655 the meaning behind the quote is that even if the lunch is free to you it still cost money to make.
The answer is YES.
The star trek concept is good. First we need the replicators that make the food, drinks and cloths.
We have this in the UK. It’s great because children don’t go hungry etc. but unscrupulous employers prey on this. They pay well below the living wage and the rest of the workforce basically subsidise their wage bill. These same companies often dodge a lot of tax too. It’s a great concept but implementation would have to be carefully considered.
Edit _ it’s not exactly the same but similar.
What if there wouldn't be such thing like money at all?
Chaos from a society that doesn't know how to live without meaningless currency
I can't remember the test so sorry i can't name it but some scientists did a test where people had to start a society without any form of currency. And result wore werid after a week they noticed group B kept going in woods and get sticks and group A wore farming what didn't realize wore the fact that the society had turned sticks into a rudimentary currency it was very strange it damned shame i can't remember what it was called i am sorry
Also keep in mind that there still needs to be a system to distribute value, especially since some goods will still be scarce, such as housing and land (not that land neccessarily needed private ownership, but there's just a finite amount of it so anything based on land will still be scarce). The key is not to get rid of currency, but to regulate it so that it serves to further equality and fairness, not profit of the top 1%.
Not possible, because currency is what equalize the 'chaotic' nature of trading. Otherwise, who can say that 10kg of grains from a farmer equals to 1 good iron farming tools from a blacksmith? Or what if the farmer asks for 3 iron tool for 10kg of grains? The blacksmith is certainly at the disadvantage here; the farmer sure appreciate iron tools for farming but they can make do with sticks and stone tool if need be, but the blacksmith got to have meals or he dies. Certainly we have only finite numbers of lifespan, we can't just farm at dusk, make tools at day and do anything else at dawn; that's... bad... because that's surviving, not living...
While I understand your question about money, but currency has proven to be very beneficial for out society as a whole. If we take money out, either we would find another currency (gold, for examples) or there will be chaos. Granted, currency has it's own drawback but so far it's also one of the driving force of our advancing civilization.
See also: "CHAZ", the recent Seattle peaceful anti-capitalist-controllers anti-cop Experiment that soon created its own violence, controlling class, and armed security.
How about we work on universal basic healthcare first.
Please make a video on the *Movement for a People's Party*
I figured out a way to retire a little early through careful investing and frugal living and haven't had a job in more than 20 years....I have never been so relaxed and happy! I spend my days doing various things such as working out, hanging out with my woman, and watching movies with my beloved cat sleeping in my lap. Don't let anyone BS you; when you quit that effing job you will not miss working at all. I remember all my past jobs as a distant bad dream and wouldn't go back to any of them even if I was offered a million dollars per year. Wealthy business owners like to keep the myth going that people need work to be fulfilled so they can have cheap labor for their business but they are lying to you. 99.999% of jobs SUCK and only make people stressed out, exhausted, and miserable. Just having time and energy to exercise properly and sleep late is a joy in itself.
Reduced healthcare costs due to less stress, famine and homelessness; reduced administration fees for welfare programmes because it's not means tested; reduced social stigma in some circles for financial aid; a boom in entrepreneurial activity as people can work part time or invest their UBI in a side project; a vast expansion of art, media and creative work from a working and middle class that have been priced out since they previously couldn't offer the free, unpaid labour that industry expects as a start; cleaner, greener cities as people won't be commuting as much... and all for less than we'd think as most of this money would be reinvested in the economy instantly.
Watch the Isaac Arthur video on Post-Scarcity Civilizations
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Isaac Arthur is one of my favorite channels
I like the concept of UBI, but i have a big critique of those systems currently proposed in today's world. If the point is to make sure everyone is fed, clothed, and housed. wouldn't it be better to provide those directly, instead of giving people money they could squander (or more likely be stolen by their landlord). It just seems to me like in today's system it just would not work. Although i would love to be proved wrong.
Edit: it is mainly giving out money in current society that i have a problem with. Food vouchers now or UBI in another system(eg market socialism) is not what i'm critizing here)
The 'problem' with that is that you would take away the market drive on those sectors, the same drive that leads to the most and fastest innovations. UBI tries to keep a free market economy by attaching the social part to income, instead of to appropriation of the needs.
People "squander" their money across all classes, from cheap booze to cocaine on yachts. What stops people from needing to escape their situation so much is having more a fulfilling situation in the first place. Google "rat paradise cocaine experiments".
10dogs2cats1donkey I think the landlord stealing that money is a more effective argument.
Bart Bols food stamps, council housing etc don’t necessarily destroy the market. (I don’t support UBI but for other reasons)
@@eshan_sandhu but they also dont contribute as much to the economy as free market solutions would
I believe UBI will usher in a new enlightenment.
I love the direction this channel is going in
I must say in college I pursued things that just were well paying. Neither field did I graduate from. For the last 12 years I've been self-employed, I've done allright. The thing is though there really is something I'd like to pursue. The thing is though it requires 4-10 years of school costs possibly 250k and the employment outcome is uncertain. It's like god how often do economics stand in our way of happiness? I'm not even talking about raising kids or buying a home either. It's being able to take a chance at something fullfilling.
If I got 29 percent of my income in the form of a government check it would be about 800 dollars a month. That would definitely change my life.
800$ a month is 70% of my monthly income 😭
@@eddiekulp1241 The government printed 4 trillion dollars for corporations last year but you can’t get a few hundred to feed your family, sounds about right.
@@eddiekulp1241 There is no historical example of runaway inflation due to welfare programs, every single example or runaway inflation; Yugoslavia, Weimar Germany, Venezuela, Zimbabwe were all the result of predatory foreign loans. Every single inflation crisis in the history of the world has been created by capitalists, or rarely, a capitalist crisis like the Great Depression.
"As a fellow socialist" / Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Well, the views expressed in several previous videos reeked of "Communist Propaganda", so a coming-clean was inevitable.
@@thetruegoldenknight shut up with calling him a coumunist. He just belives what he belives. And secondthoughts veiws are pretty different from stalins
@@thetruegoldenknight Also "socalist" doesn't mean "bad" Bernies a socalist, and he has vary good polocys that are the opposite of the soviet unions
@@alexkeqaj4476 i guess if there implemented perfectly. I don't know what communiam would be like if stalin of mou wern't the ones in charge
@@alexkeqaj4476 and stalin and mou were extream monsters
UBI is inevitable; maybe not for a while, but it is coming
My problem with UBI is that it could create an ultra rich group which owns the means of production and then everyone else as consumers who get a ubi which only gives them enough so they don’t become class concious.
There was a UBI experiment in Ontario(Canada), they gave UBI to everyone signed up for the experiment in a small community, and the province was hinting towards deploying it province wide, and then I never heard of it again, until covid. People these days were suggesting converting the relief fund into UBI, and finance checks out, but federal government seems reluctant
Yes the UBI was proposed late in 2018 but was cancelled after the provincial election. Was intended to assist about 1200 poor people in three cities. T
There was a fair bit of press interest in studying the results Alas all those good intentions are but a dream now...
@@rickfeenstrastaff7409 there's also talk about converting cerb into UBI after covid, which is a very interesting idea